F**k This Law! That's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Its Communist implementation! WHAT HAPPEN TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE????? THE Supreme court needs to defend Freedom and not FASCISM! Corporation Join with Federal Government, Insurance sleeping with the politicians! They just care about taking your money and not your liberty rights and freedom. If you love freedom email the white house and your congressmen to tell them you support freedom and not dictatorship!
Free healh care, trying to pull out from Iraq after Bush mistakes and trying to fix everything to better. Trying to change America to better future. In every compare list between countries EU countries have almost everytime been more safe, more healthy and more caring about people than America...
...Now with Obama, America can be on top of that compare list as good country. Obama is best thing what happened to America since Roosewelt. If I would be American and not from Finland, Vote for Obama!
This turd is so full of it that he can't see how he and some of his criminal cohorts are killing America or else he just does not give one dang damn at all! It is just rhetoric and he is intentionally putting another spoke in the wheel of destroying America and our way of life....... He is as far from being an American in thought and deed as one can get and we see how horrible this administration led by this *()&(*) is more every day. I am so glad to see the people waking up....Yahoo and Vote!
@68VietnamVet You are absolutely right. The danger is having a population like the Tea Party capable of voting for conservatives that will destroy America. American youths must be educated with the idea that socialized health care is not evil, but a right among industrial nations.
Hes good at switching from one teleprompter to another, ill give him that much. They should put them on moving bases so it looks like he is talking to a croud.
WATCH THE MOVIE SICKO by MICHAEL MOORE ON YOUTUBE IF YOU ARE A DUMB FUCKING IDIOT AMERICAN (Minus rich republican fucks who don't give a fuck about the poor) WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THIS BILL PASSAGE
@liteashmusic This bill is pretty bad. I don't think the supporters of it understand just what it does to Americans. We lose freedom. The one thing our country has always held dear.
@RichL123 Its a bad bill only because about 40000 people are gonna die before its polices are fully put into effect, just cause they cant afford health care, should be universal
The famous James Joyce, author of "Ulysses," has a few loyal fans -- advanced readers who enjoy wading into an ocean of words. I prefer Hemingway. He's short, sweet, and on point. Dr. Seuss is even better. Even beginning readers can understand his profound lessons.
Jeez, it's unsettling to have our simple laws translated to the length of Ulysses -- yet without those bright sparkles of James Joyce insight here and there. It feels like living in a foreign country where we don't speak the language.
Americans are fucking stupid!!! I hope when you're broke on your death bed you still agree in not having free healthcare!
You have a space programme that does fuck all and don't want to have free healthcare?? you say the british NHS is proof that it doesn't work, but don't live here, believe me it DOES work, everyone in this country doesn't have to worry about breaking their arm or whatever because they no we will not find a 5000 pound bill coming through our door.... you're all fucking nuts!
i know alot of people who are losing jobs thanks to obama, i was one of his great supporters but he stinks. Didn't create one job in his hole term is bullshit, he is not great president. He picks sides and not a future leader that America needs.
In February the Wall St Journal reported that Republicans have been stepping up the campaign to win donations from Wall St. In discussions w/ Wall St execs the GOP is striving to make the case that they are the best hope of preventing Obama from cracking down on Wall St.'. The Wall St Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the foreign born billionaire who owns Fox News.
@molloyxx1 Why do you care he's foreign born? thats whats great about america, people can come here from all over the world and become whatever they want as long as they work for it. Obama is closing nasa so we can piggyback on russia and china is building our roads in cali whoooo!! we are getting weaker by the minute. I have an idea lets spend more money- that will solve everything.
@Pantalaimon345 Please. The esssential point was that the reporting on the craven behavior of GOP pols to suck up to Wall St elites in order to prevent necessary regulation. I mentioned that Murdoch owns both Fox Noise and the Wall St Journal to indicate the reportage was by no means coming from a liberal source.
@molloyxx1 you should watch everyday normal republicans- youd like it. just b/c its owned by him doesnt mean anything. people can voice their opinions in whatever way they want and they should report things as long as their truthful. plus if you think the dems arent taking money from people keep dreaming, both sides are corrupt. i am also against anything besides laissez- faire capitalism- all the gov does is make a mess and then expect you to pay for it.
@Pantalaimon345 In a very recent interview Murdoch was asked about the claim that his network is fair and balanced. He insisted, of course, that it is. He was then asked to name single prominent democrat on his staff. He failed to come up with a single name, muttering that Roger Ailes, the arch-conservative former Nixon operative who runs the Noise Division, could possibly answer the question later.
@molloyxx1 im sure msnbc, cbs, and abc are all fair and balanced. but i really dont care what he does b/c theyre his companies. if people didnt like them then they wouldnt be around. but if you think all republicans watch fox then sorry but i dont watch it- i like nbc. about the fair and balanced thing though i suppose you support affirmative action? (you shouuld really watch that video its great)
@molloyxx1 MSNBC leads off its programming with Joe Scarborough, former GOP congressman. Chris Wallace admitted he voted for Bush in 2000. ABC/CBS/NBC anchors et al are notorious for not asking hard follow up questions when interviewing standard issue GOP propagandanists. Radio is nearly 100 percent controlled by Clear Channel conservative shock jocks. So, once again you are talking out of your ass w/ no supportive documentation.
@molloyxx1 and before you made a big deal about the founding fathers owing slaves and yet it was the dems who wanted slavery and let the lynchings and everything else go on only when repubs were forced on the south during reconstruction which wasnt very long was there ever peace in the south after the civil war up until the 60s.
@Pantalaimon345 An utterly ill informed arguement that neatly dispenses with the philosophical attitudes of those Democrats, southern Democrats, who did everything in their power to thwart civil rights legislation in the modern era; they were conservatives. Once civil rights legislation was passed, via the effort of liberals, these Democrats switched paties, giving the GOP dominance in the Solid South for decades. Read a fucking book.
@molloyxx1 but it was your party not republicans- Lincoln was a republican asshole as was everyone against slavery. thats why blacks were republicans up until the great depression. plus ive already said conservatives like things that are old which is a flaw in philosophy. most civil rights shit is worthless and you never answered my question about affirmative action. hope youve accepted the fact that the media is left-wing as you havent commented on that either
@Pantalaimon345 Sometimes this system doesnt allow me to reply [ hence 'testing]. Most civil rights shit is worhtless? Like Brown vs the Board of Education? Like allowing black Americans to eat at the same diner as white Americans? Or to choose any seat on the bus? Or be protected from discrimination by employers because of the color of their skin? Everyone against slavery was 'an asshole'? No wonder right wing radio is referred to as Hate Radio.
@molloyxx1 woops sorry my grammar was bad. "lincoln was a republican asshole" you were the asshole not lincoln my bad. everyone is born with the same rights and with dignity. I dont listen to talk radio either. You misunderstand me. i am mainly referring to affirmative action and theres nothing good about it. sucks about your system though.
@Pantalaimon345 You say you don't listen to right wing radio. I accept this at face value. But, please, tell what sources you do get your information from.
@molloyxx1 for the news i read the paper and watch nbc occasionally- if i dont watch it then i dont watch any at all it just depends if i have time or not. the way i arrived at my views is from when i took american history in 8th grade and looked and the current US and was extremely disenchanted. ever since then i have pretty much done my own thing c.s. lewis and ayn rand had an influence on me but it was all in my head before if that makes sense these two just put it into words
@Pantalaimon345 NBC? Intersting as this network is routinely assailed by Bull Orally and company as a megaphone for the left wing. Actuallly, the major networks coverage is fairly bland but certainly more trustworthy than Fox and free of rampant paranoia, tantrums, weeping and end of the world prophecies. Rand is the long dead poet [ and an athiest if I have my facts in order] laureate of unvarnished self interest, something a Christian like Lewis might well have taken issue with.
@molloyxx1 o yes lewis himself said christianity is merely socialism or something of the sort. he may be right but i can find passages in the bible to go either way. but what made me question my faith was when people started burning harry potter books in the name of God- total insanity in my opinion. I like a lot of stuff lewis said though. i like rand b/c she was for lassiez- fair capitalism and had this whole morality to go with it. i like them both.
@Pantalaimon345 So be it, Pantal. We again agree to disagree; I prefer, and am more inspired by,[even though I am a hopeful agnostic], many basic Christian principles to the dry mechanics of unregulated capitalism. Have a good night.
@Pantalaimon345 Are you referring to slavery, the right for workers to make profis for their masters in safe conditions, child labor, the refusal to let women to vote until 1924, the refusal to let gay women and men avail themselves of somewthing common felons are allowed; maraaige, the right to equal opportunities for employent and edicatian and participate in military service? Be specific.
@Pantalaimon345 Pantal. I think we've reached a dead zone re our discussion of health care reform. We have fundamental diasagreements that simply aren't going to be changed or even slightly modified. I think its for the greater good, however watered down [ losing the public option was vastly depressing].Still, I work with hundreds of diabled people who will benefit from it signficantly, who will suffer less and live better lives and I'll leave it right there.
@molloyxx1 Then i will leave it by saying anyone who lives at the forced expense of another human is doing a great moral wrong. I do not like seeing others suffer either but forcing others to help them is wrong and nothing good can come of it. It rewards failure and punishes success. It ignores reason and history and goes with whim worship. Well then whats your opinion on whats happening in Arizona?
@Pantalaimon345 So be it. As far as what is happening in Arizona, I am struck that Tom Tancredo, right wing extremist extra-ordinaire, notorious for his xenophobia, is against it. I forsee all manner of Latino American citizens being pulled over for 'driving while brown' and, in political terms, its suicidal for the GOP; the Latino demographic is growing and steadily tending towards the Democrats and make a real diffeence in bordr state elections.
@molloyxx1 Well perhaps the whole thing with the vast majority being from south of the border is a reason for picking Hispanics? just a thought. ive been thinking though that we should give every illegal immigrant $1 million. itd be nice. but i mean by great great grandpa came over with $43 in his pocket learned English and American culture and succeeded phenomenally. i still have the book he was given called Lessons in Democracy i just dont understand why we should cater to illegal immigrants.
@Pantalaimon345 Most illegal immigrants claw their way into this country in order to find work. And very often they are, however undocumented, given work by American businesses, large and small [ meat packing corporations are notorious for this] because they can be paid sub-minimal wages wages white Ameicans would never consider, thus maximizing profits. Once again it is an example of lazy-fare [ pun intended] capitalism.
@molloyxx1 Ya and i understand that their country sucks but do they really have to bring illegal drugs with them? and whats wrong with waiting their turn to get in like every other immigrant does? i know life sucks there, but totally ignoring the culture of the country you're going to is ridiculous and we allow it which is worse. and in florida i know that the ones who were once workers are now buying the white owners of the company out and having much higher standards of living. ya capitalism
@molloyxx1 i mean if i went to france to live id learn french, to china chinese, to mexico spanish to iran arabic. why do we view it as offensive to teach them english before they become citizens? and i kinda got cut off but yes wonderful example of capitalism they are buying mercedes and like i said are owners of companies rather than workers because they have an incredible work ethic. i think americans should take lessons from them.
@bmerah08 sorry me bad i always forget that iran isnt arab and hate being called that. but what do they call themselves? persian or just iranian or what?
@molloyxx1 if you think mainstream media isnt left wing you have a problem. is that why now they are portraying anyone who stands up to obama as greedy racists or something but when bush was in office and people had signs that said kill bush and had a pic of a bullet through his head never gave a thought to it. if that was done with obama the protestor would prob be arrrested and def made a big deal about and called a racist and everything else
@Pantalaimon345 I watch Fox News on a regular basis [ far better, in terms of comic value, than The Daily Show or Colbert]. I also pay attention to News Max and Human Events as they are even more obsecenely paranoid. I am well acquainted with the Republican Party [ almost completley dominated by conservatives] as only a fool fails to pay attention to his enemy. And I am thrilled that the 2 most well recognized tea baggish quasi Republican wing nuts are Professor Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.
@molloyxx1 i hope you're thrilled about biden and pelosi too- 2 really intelligent humans. the tea party isnt a conservative movement either there are reasonable liberals who understand common sense that take part in it as well. however i do think the repub philosophy is wrong. they like things b/c they are based on tradition(b/c its old) and they use faith a lot and i dont think faith should ever be used a reason to do something in politics. but capitalism is a reasonable thing to do
@Pantalaimon345 Pelosi had the guts and skill to get health care reform passed when most in the media thought it was dead in the water. No mean feat when you consider the number of Blue Dogs in the Dem party [ presuming you know what they are]. Reagans braintrust did a brilliant job of activiating the evangelical base [Falwell was a regular guest at the White House] and they are essential to the future success of the party. Nevermind that they are certifiably delusional.
@molloyxx1 Pelosi is worthless shit and if you think shes good then you have a major issue. No i dont know what that stuff is because im not old or care much about trivial stupid shit. this is way sidetracked from the original argument. the point im trying to get at is that you dont seem to care about violating others rights
Unrestrained, unregulated capitalism has allowed for slavery, child labor, indentured servitude and working conditions so unsafe, to reference the recent mining disaster, hard working lower class Americans dying thousands of feet below ground. The owner of the mine preferred to pay fines [ all to low to inhibit his greed] than improve safety. When he learned 70 percent of the men who drove his profits wanted to start a union he threatened to close the mine, leaving them destitute.
@molloyxx1 Where do you think that guys money comes from? Modern day unions are worthless- they've closed two grocery stores here by picketing everyday and getting payed to do it putting even more people out of jobs. and capitalism actually hasnt allowed for all those things and capitalism is the only system that brings the masses out of poverty- thats historic and economic fact. Its also the only system which aligns with rights.
Unless you're going to start a revolution, this is the system that we live in. Everyday that you go to work and play your part you advocate it. You can work hard all your life and never rise above the poverty level, money is a like a game of numbers and some people know how to play and others never get it. There is no such thing as fair in this life, but we as compassionate beings should strive for balance. Grow up people, political parties are just another way to divide us.
You should not be to quick to judge someone. It would be like me saying you are an idiot because you look like one. I don't know you, but I make an assumption about you without knowing who you are. Don't blame me for stating the facts.
'Libralism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by fear'----Benjamin Disreali. And no one does fear better than Beck, projected to make 23,000,000 of it this year alone.
@molloyxx1 Thats totally reversed- Liberals are the ones who distrust everyone which is why they want the gov to expand its powers b/c "people are too greedy" prudence is also the opposite of democrats as seen in the passage of the health care bill. a better one is "liberalism(democrats- better term) is a way in which a gov becomes an oligarchy by taking away rights and destroying virtue; when a dem cant win an argument they call the other person greedy and racist.
@Pantalaimon345 The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; thta is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
If you want to do something and do it, aren't you being selfish by doing what you want to do? if you want to see the result of liberal policies go to Detroit. whenever you violate someone's rights, you are performing a moral wrong whether you like it or not. And get off the Founding Fathers already- just b/c you hate America and its principles-capitalism, reason, individualism- doesnt mean everyone else does.
Those who fail to understand the government, or at least those armatures of the government responsible for passing and signing legislation, are not creatures from a sinister video game but freely elected representatives [who can be dis-elected,if you will, per thier decisions, district by district, should never have been allowed a high school diploma. BTW, welfare costs have plummeted since Clinton.
@GaunletofDestruction Obamas approval rating after his first year in office is nearly identical to Reagans after his first year in office and many polls show it [ and approval for the bill] slowly climbing since its passage. You would be wise to get your information from a broader spectrum of sources than Glenn Beck[ the former shock jock radio wizard who behaves like a premenstrual teenage girl], Fox News [ news it aint] News Max and the old bitter drunk at the corner bar.
@molloyxx1 Ha.. Where do you get your information from? Alex Jones and Raechal Maddow? At least Beck speaks the truth on issues that you don't want to admit have major flaws including Obamacare:)
@GaunletofDestruction In Jan 2008 Beck described healthcare in America as a 'nightmare' and bragged about surviving it. He complained about it on a series of his CNN programs. Later, once in the employ of Fox News, he described it as the best in the world. The ex-shock jock alcoholic opportunist fear monger has no more credibility re current political issues or history than Paris Hilton or Miley Cyrus.
@molloyxx1 You can believe what you want, but how is this bill constitutional if it forces Americans to purchase healthcare, and fines them if they don't buy it?
@GaunletofDestruction Where I live car insurance is mandated and I have absolutely no problem with it. It lowers premiums and serves to protect all those who drive. Some say riving is a 'privelege'; tell that to those who live in rural communities whee there is no public transportation. Those who fail to buy [ but can afford] health insurance burden us all if they suddnly need catastrophic care.
@molloyxx1 The choice on weather or not ot buy healthcare should be decided by the American people and not their government. But the only reason why your premiums are lowered is because others have to take more money out of their paycheck to foot the bill. It is unfair to rob Peter in order to pay Paul. Those who have everything in their lives given to them abuse the system and it keeps them in poverty. Just look at Welfare.
FUCK YOU, i will try and nominate MR. Obama as dumbass of the year next to Janet napalatano , you don't work for the people you work against the people. the ordinary people is not the people you are trying to help, rationing medical help doesn't help the chronically ill you dumb fuck
WHERE IS ARMAGEDDON? I was promised this by all of the idiot conservatives when Obama took office and then when he passed this bill. I think it's time conservatives quit holding back the country and either leave or shut up!!!
That is an incredible victory. Why dont these people understand that he is doing this on their own behalf. The republicans are actually working for the healthcare corporates. Actually, if you look closer u can see most the opposition stems from the fact that Obama is Afro-american. Most arguments are racially motivated. Only advice i can give is go home take off your brief and have a nice scratch.
@1980samt Hey you dumb nigger... you represent the dumb nigger asshole who wants to live off the government for free, you think that you are entitled to money like welfare and shit, where do you think the money to pass this "FREE" health care is coming from, our pockets (you included) obama cant pull money out of his ass, hes a dumb fucking nigger that talks a good game to uneducated coons from the inner city that complain about our country when they should just go the fuck back to africa
@TheJman6360 im actually from the north and tell me exactly one reason any of that is stupid, just one and it has to be a legitiamte reason!!! it cant be about how its a stereotype about black people because a large majority of niggers are lazy fucks now arent they??
@bionicbutthole One legitimate reason that paragraph of stupidity was a joke is that because when you have nothing else to insult but race that is truly pathetic!!! Don't get mad, get educated. You are not going to be able to learn anything with a poor vocabulary from watching the fox news channel.
@TheJman6360 where is the poor vocabulary in that? and the only reason i use race is because every ethnic minority in america voted for obama even the conservative's because he is an ethnic minority himself not to mention he lied and promised free health care, how is it free when it comes out of our pockets?? only fucking uneducated niggers would think that the health care package would be free, and i did watch the fox news and watch niggers getting interviewed and they all thought it was free
@bionicbutthole btw tell me any facts on this issue other than im using race because clearly i noticed i am using race as a reason, fucking liberal nigger
@bionicbutthole btw tell me any facts on this issue other than im using race because clearly i noticed i am using race as a reason, fucking liberal nigger
@bionicbutthole: you speak the absolute truth. The trouble is these dumb blacks don't have any brains, so it's useless to try to reason with them. They are lazy and look for the easy way out of everything.
Lincoln spoke of 'our better angels'. Arch capitalists see people as objects, objects whose intrinsic value is only to increase the bottom line. America is still ruled by these fucks, but the tide is slowly and steadily changing and when the dust settles those who opposed health care reform will be seen in the same light as those who opposed child labor laws, womens right to vote and civil rights legislation.
These people are not Medicaid or Medicare eligible because they have not applied for SSI or SSD because, despite their psychiatric conditions, they are able and willing to work. But there are no jobs. Moreover, in the county I work in [ pop appx 1.5 million] local churches do not provide a single bed for homeless males, but do on ocasion provide food boxes and once in a blue moon assistance with utility bills. I am happy to see my taxes go towards the decrease of suffering.
See you're okay with that but others arent and others dont want healthcare. whenever you force someone to do something b/c you think its right is wrong.
Since American Citizens are now going to be required to have health insurance, will I also have to continue to carry personal injury ins on my homeowner's/renter's ins policy? Can I drop the personal injury ins for my auto ins policy? If I can't afford all 3, what are my options? Die, don't live in a house/apt or don't drive? I thought you said the ins cos were the BIG BAD GUY? Looks to me like you just handed the ins cos more power and profit. Great reform? NOT The little guy looses again.
What is wrong with the health bill i guess its the racist whites who do not want the health bill because they want the poor blacks to die Bush make war with the arabs its okay because you are our keith and kin
poor black kids? you ignorant fool. there are just as many poor white kids in this country. poverty of the children are brought about by the unwillingness of their parents. blame the dumbasses that go about fucking everthing that walks and the stupid bitches that spread their legs for fun. you're fucking racist yourself. ya damn hypocrite.
Youtubers. I need opinions from liberal/Democrats and Conservative/Republicans. Please give me some pro and cons about this new Health care Plan. is it just some bill so that government controls everything and can have access to our private lives and finances? or will the American people really benefit from it. Do you all consider it change and hope and liberalism, or is it just a sign of Socialism and fascism. Is this what Alex Jones meant by the documentary "the fall of the Republic"
Oh shut the fuck up, the surveys vary - some will say most want it, some will say most won't want it, some will be completely OFF topic! Most likely, about half of the Americans won it because they know (or need) the benefits, and half don't want it because they don't know the benefits (or believe it was all a socialist plot, which makes me wonder A) Why is it socialist and B) what is wrong with socialism? Des any conservatives know what socialism is about besides the paranoid lies about it?)
@fuggsakes Most Americans did not want to see an increase of troop strength in Afghanistan. Obama added 17,000 in March of 2009 and 33,000 in the fall of 2009 [ pissing off his liberal base to no end]. This, of course, after Bush/Cheney did nothing to counter the Taliban resurgence for years. It takes no courage to promote a bill that the public finds unpopular [ and in the case of health care because the GOP lied effectively], it takes guts and a sense of leadership.
@molloyxx1 you bet it takes guts to flip the bird to the american people and tell them they wanted the bill people were screaming at the top of their lungs 'we dont want the bill, start over' and Obama has the bare face cheek to tell them they wanted it, Obama surged troops in because he is Bush 2.0, same with the patriot act wiretapping, supporing wall street and everything else....he sure has guts
people like to hoard money. Id like to ask you. If one hundred people abused of the money they get from social benefits ( out of tax payers pocket) but one family benefited from it is int it worth it?
@ConservativeRuleinUS what do you mean he a communist Obama is trying to help the poor blacks of America you filthy pig you have gorged yourself so much that you are ready for the slaughter house
@bvojo: you "poor" blacks need to get off your lazy asses and get to work. You are the lazy pig, who has gorged on freebies for too long. I would like to pack-up your kind and send you to North Korea or some other communist country. They'd send you to the slaughterhouse quickly. LMFAO
@ConservativeRuleinUS Poor blacks who are victimised by the master race poor blacks who are told to get out of the country which is not the the white mans country
@bvojo: you "poor" blacks need to start taking personal responsibility and blaming every other race for your massive problems. The Asians and Hispanics come here and work circles around you lazy blacks. You all are busy killing each other every day...lol. Where are all the nice black-run nations in the world? African nations are toilet bowls. You all are pathetic! LMFAO.
@bvojo: it looks as if this "devil" has done very well in the world compared with your stupid race....lol. You all need to achieve on your own. Stop mooching off others, and stop taking credit/advantage of the hard work of others.
I would say that most people objecting about the the health bill have never been really sick, have sufficient money to pay hospital bills or have insurance. I think this bill is not about providing health care for the poor it's about allowing everyone in the states access to quality health care without the worry about being kicked out in the streets to die if you don't have medical insurance or if the medical insurance company finds a reason not to pay which is often the case.
Or maybe its just people who like to have their rights and choose whether or not to have healthcare. I've heard that only 5% of the 35 million cant afford healthcare and the rest choose not to have it.
Why would people choose not to be treated when they are ill?
There are lots of so called middle class people in America who go broke due to the cost of paying for treatments that their insurance just will not cover due to so called pre-existing conditions. If the middle classes are going brook trying to stay alive what hope is there for those on lower income.
Please think about that before mouthing off about your rights being taken away because if you are dead you have no rights to take away
Its more a choice of whether or not to have insurance and I dont know what their rational is but its up to them. in my hometown i have never met someone who couldnt afford treatment and went broke as a result- they have always been able to appeal to private charity and get whatever treatment they need. And i also believe in the motto of this country's founding "Give me Liberty or give me Death!" I know health care needs reform but its up to the people not the gov.
What an idyllic place you must live. I work with people who have no medical insurance whatsoever [ their psychiatric care paid for via state and county funding]. Some can get an rx for pain medication at the ER but cannot afford to pay for it [ despite pleas to local churches]. Another could not get free dental care and removed two infected teeth with a pair of pliers. Others cannot afford meds for diabetes, high blood pressure, blood clots, migraine headaches and chronic pain. Its criminal.
psychiatric? so theyre insane? do they even attend the churches or just ask them for money? the private charities im referring to are people at benefit brunches or something. but the point Im trying to make is that nothing brings the masses out of poverty more than capitalism- the only economic system to align with rights. Socialism and socialist approaches solve nothing,
Your impression of people who suffer from chronic mental illness is so breathtakingly underinformed, so clotted with absurd asumptions about who they are and what they believe and what thye are capable of I am almost at a loss for words. Ignorance, and especially ignorance born or intellectual laziness, Pantal, always opens the door for callousness and cruelty. And you have the audacity to speak of churches and what they are reputed represent. Both stunning and pathetic.
@molloyxx1 O ya they must be on drugs what was i thinking? Why is church bad? My priest has never done anything wrong and while i dont always agree with the churches views i support the church more than any other social scams. but thats off topic- there was a kid once who wanted to help poor people so his dad told him to cut the grass and take the money he made and donate it all but the kid asked why dont poor just work in the first place? the dad said welcome to the republican party haha
@Pantalaimon345 I bet there are millions of Americans who would like to live in your hometown where private charities are able to help cover the healthcare cost for those who fall short.
One thing that I would like you to do for me is to volunteer at an advice centre in your hometown (if there is one) or for one of those private charities that you know so much about to see first hand how much help they are able to offer to all those selfish people who choose not to buy private insurance.
I've heard that only 5% of the 45 or 35 million without insurance cant afford it and others choose not to. Well my cousin needed help with cancer and got help from regular people to help pay for it. And i doubt anyone would want to live here- the unions already killed the area and people are moving out like crazy.
As I know all too well from grim personal experience, long term care for cancer is extremely expensive, over time costing upwards of a million dollars. The notion that the 'regular' people in your idyllic small town could shoulder this kind of burden is absurd and your general position is morally indefensible.
@molloyxx1 hahahahah idylllic if you only knew. I think you have a horrilbe misunderstanding of the point im trying to make- that individuals have rights and no one has the right to violate them not even the savior obama. I'll help people if i want but it will be on my own terms and what i voluntarily consent to. all your system does is reward the failures for failing and destroys those who are sucessful for being successful a real reform comes from the people not the gov.
@Pantalaimon345 You missed the point completely. If your cousin had proper health insurance s/he should not need outside help to pay for anything. I would also ask you to speak to your cousin face to face, if s/he would talk to you and find out what s/he had to go through in order to be treated. Go out there and find out your own information. Read the bill yourself to find out what is in it. Never let others tell you what something says. This is why people are encouraged to learn to read
@diceman1666 i dont have time to read a 2500 page bill written in a language i probably dont understand thats loaded with pork way off topic. My cuz doesnt support the healthcare bill and she did have insurance but it covered so much but not enough that the fam could pay the rest of it. I am also a very avid reader and history is one of my fav things and i cant believe how gross America has become from its founding and how disappointed the founders would be if they saw us today- weak & broke
Wall St investrment banks having been hiring MIT mathematicians to help them develop obscure, hyper-complex mechanisms to increase profits [ mechanisms so complex, so nearly impossible to understand they are extremely difficult to regulate AND very high risk]. Wall St is a casino in which, all too often, craven vultures gamble big with other peoples money.
its a shame the GOPS cant just get on board with this.. maybe they like having this paper civil war, but WE dont. they know damn well almost everything they oppose has nothing to do with a disagreement or a moral obligation against it..hell, most of them dont even fully understand the things they're rallying against! they just deny whatever the liberals approve of! thats ALL it is to them! its not about policies, its not about rights, its just one big game of "us and them". ..and its sad.
i don't get why people are against this bill? it just make it that every American citizen that couldn't get a health insurance will now be able to. i understand the rich people will have to pay more taxes to cover all that, but to me its part of charity.
spider: did u know that the top 1-3% earners in the US already pay about 40% of the income taxes? imagine you're a business owner. you've worked your butt off establishing your successful business. but now due to this legislation, you are forced to pay for your neighbor who refuses to stay healthy (smokes, drinks, eats bad food), and also refuses to work as well. do u get the pic?
And who are the top 1 to 3 percent? Investment bankers, hedge fund managers, oil speculators, CEOs of major oil companies and a host of WallSt vultures whose greed and incomptency [ it is becoming clearer and clearer that many of the high rollers betting on credit default swaps et al had no fucking idea what they were doing] nearly brought the economy to ruin? These arent fucking small to average sized business owners.
molloyxx1: i'm not sure of who makes up the top 1-3% earners in the US, but i was trying to make a point that they've already paid a huge proportion of taxes every year. you seem to have an emotional beef with the corporation world, so you form your own image of who's to blame for the economic troubles in this country. this is understandable, but not substantiated.
jim. In 1950 top CEOs earned 24 times the average workers pay, by 1990 it had climbed to 122 times, by 2009 550 times [ today, an average CEO earns as much in 1 day as an avge worker earns in 1 year]. Do you think this is because these 'folks' are working 550x harder than the average worker? I happen to think the economic elites have done a brilliant job of rigging the game in their favor. What is your explanation?
molloyxx1: perhaps they are smarter than you and me. but does that translate into equating them to people like bernie madoff? wall st is like a casino, but it's ultimately the decision of the individuals to invest their hard earn $ into these "evil" CEO companies.
For people who is against it explain more cause it doesn't really show why you don't like it. The only thing i see is none meaning but just saying doom and such bunch of bull.
look in the mirror
scalplifter55 3 weeks ago
Obama 2012!!!
RJWooller 3 weeks ago
F**k This Law! That's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Its Communist implementation! WHAT HAPPEN TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE????? THE Supreme court needs to defend Freedom and not FASCISM! Corporation Join with Federal Government, Insurance sleeping with the politicians! They just care about taking your money and not your liberty rights and freedom. If you love freedom email the white house and your congressmen to tell them you support freedom and not dictatorship!
YouTheory 5 months ago
fuck the monkey
scalplifter55 10 months ago
@scalplifter55 Where is the monkey? No, I don't see any monkey.
RJWooller 3 weeks ago
It's a start, but it's not the solution.
RainbowManification 10 months ago
The Congress decided...NOT the people!!!
threepercenter03 1 year ago
the medical field hates it!
RPasqual 1 year ago
Free healh care, trying to pull out from Iraq after Bush mistakes and trying to fix everything to better. Trying to change America to better future. In every compare list between countries EU countries have almost everytime been more safe, more healthy and more caring about people than America...
...Now with Obama, America can be on top of that compare list as good country. Obama is best thing what happened to America since Roosewelt. If I would be American and not from Finland, Vote for Obama!
Kaboose666 1 year ago
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@Kaboose666 You're brain washed!
bulletant90 7 months ago
This turd is so full of it that he can't see how he and some of his criminal cohorts are killing America or else he just does not give one dang damn at all! It is just rhetoric and he is intentionally putting another spoke in the wheel of destroying America and our way of life....... He is as far from being an American in thought and deed as one can get and we see how horrible this administration led by this *()&(*) is more every day. I am so glad to see the people waking up....Yahoo and Vote!
garyck40 1 year ago
He seems scared or mad.
069Nugget 1 year ago
Seems like someone put a gun to his head
069Nugget 1 year ago
Obama gets the job done. Obama 2012!
sng1867 1 year ago
"The danger to America is not Barack Hussein Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency".
68VietnamVet 1 year ago
@68VietnamVet You are absolutely right. The danger is having a population like the Tea Party capable of voting for conservatives that will destroy America. American youths must be educated with the idea that socialized health care is not evil, but a right among industrial nations.
sng1867 1 year ago
Hes good at switching from one teleprompter to another, ill give him that much. They should put them on moving bases so it looks like he is talking to a croud.
hitler0355 1 year ago
@hitler0355 At least he can read the teleprompter, couldn't say that for Bush.
DirtyBriefcase 1 year ago
WATCH THE MOVIE SICKO by MICHAEL MOORE ON YOUTUBE IF YOU ARE A DUMB FUCKING IDIOT AMERICAN (Minus rich republican fucks who don't give a fuck about the poor) WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THIS BILL PASSAGE
liteashmusic 1 year ago
@liteashmusic This bill is pretty bad. I don't think the supporters of it understand just what it does to Americans. We lose freedom. The one thing our country has always held dear.
RichL123 1 year ago
@RichL123 Its a bad bill only because about 40000 people are gonna die before its polices are fully put into effect, just cause they cant afford health care, should be universal
liteashmusic 1 year ago
it just passed by 4 votes, thats crazy!
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
The famous James Joyce, author of "Ulysses," has a few loyal fans -- advanced readers who enjoy wading into an ocean of words. I prefer Hemingway. He's short, sweet, and on point. Dr. Seuss is even better. Even beginning readers can understand his profound lessons.
Jeez, it's unsettling to have our simple laws translated to the length of Ulysses -- yet without those bright sparkles of James Joyce insight here and there. It feels like living in a foreign country where we don't speak the language.
eastariel 1 year ago
Americans are fucking stupid!!! I hope when you're broke on your death bed you still agree in not having free healthcare!
You have a space programme that does fuck all and don't want to have free healthcare?? you say the british NHS is proof that it doesn't work, but don't live here, believe me it DOES work, everyone in this country doesn't have to worry about breaking their arm or whatever because they no we will not find a 5000 pound bill coming through our door.... you're all fucking nuts!
iandownward100 1 year ago
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i know alot of people who are losing jobs thanks to obama, i was one of his great supporters but he stinks. Didn't create one job in his hole term is bullshit, he is not great president. He picks sides and not a future leader that America needs.
bass109 1 year ago
Always embarrassing to spell education wrong; just got off o red eye from the east coat and so Im blaming it i that.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
Does anyone really believe this to be good?
CrazyKing570 1 year ago
In February the Wall St Journal reported that Republicans have been stepping up the campaign to win donations from Wall St. In discussions w/ Wall St execs the GOP is striving to make the case that they are the best hope of preventing Obama from cracking down on Wall St.'. The Wall St Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the foreign born billionaire who owns Fox News.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Why do you care he's foreign born? thats whats great about america, people can come here from all over the world and become whatever they want as long as they work for it. Obama is closing nasa so we can piggyback on russia and china is building our roads in cali whoooo!! we are getting weaker by the minute. I have an idea lets spend more money- that will solve everything.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Please. The esssential point was that the reporting on the craven behavior of GOP pols to suck up to Wall St elites in order to prevent necessary regulation. I mentioned that Murdoch owns both Fox Noise and the Wall St Journal to indicate the reportage was by no means coming from a liberal source.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 you should watch everyday normal republicans- youd like it. just b/c its owned by him doesnt mean anything. people can voice their opinions in whatever way they want and they should report things as long as their truthful. plus if you think the dems arent taking money from people keep dreaming, both sides are corrupt. i am also against anything besides laissez- faire capitalism- all the gov does is make a mess and then expect you to pay for it.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 In a very recent interview Murdoch was asked about the claim that his network is fair and balanced. He insisted, of course, that it is. He was then asked to name single prominent democrat on his staff. He failed to come up with a single name, muttering that Roger Ailes, the arch-conservative former Nixon operative who runs the Noise Division, could possibly answer the question later.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 im sure msnbc, cbs, and abc are all fair and balanced. but i really dont care what he does b/c theyre his companies. if people didnt like them then they wouldnt be around. but if you think all republicans watch fox then sorry but i dont watch it- i like nbc. about the fair and balanced thing though i suppose you support affirmative action? (you shouuld really watch that video its great)
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 MSNBC leads off its programming with Joe Scarborough, former GOP congressman. Chris Wallace admitted he voted for Bush in 2000. ABC/CBS/NBC anchors et al are notorious for not asking hard follow up questions when interviewing standard issue GOP propagandanists. Radio is nearly 100 percent controlled by Clear Channel conservative shock jocks. So, once again you are talking out of your ass w/ no supportive documentation.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Whoops. Make that Chris Matthews. Wallace is a Fox News troll.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 and before you made a big deal about the founding fathers owing slaves and yet it was the dems who wanted slavery and let the lynchings and everything else go on only when repubs were forced on the south during reconstruction which wasnt very long was there ever peace in the south after the civil war up until the 60s.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 An utterly ill informed arguement that neatly dispenses with the philosophical attitudes of those Democrats, southern Democrats, who did everything in their power to thwart civil rights legislation in the modern era; they were conservatives. Once civil rights legislation was passed, via the effort of liberals, these Democrats switched paties, giving the GOP dominance in the Solid South for decades. Read a fucking book.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 but it was your party not republicans- Lincoln was a republican asshole as was everyone against slavery. thats why blacks were republicans up until the great depression. plus ive already said conservatives like things that are old which is a flaw in philosophy. most civil rights shit is worthless and you never answered my question about affirmative action. hope youve accepted the fact that the media is left-wing as you havent commented on that either
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 What? are you speechless?
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Testing.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Sometimes this system doesnt allow me to reply [ hence 'testing]. Most civil rights shit is worhtless? Like Brown vs the Board of Education? Like allowing black Americans to eat at the same diner as white Americans? Or to choose any seat on the bus? Or be protected from discrimination by employers because of the color of their skin? Everyone against slavery was 'an asshole'? No wonder right wing radio is referred to as Hate Radio.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 woops sorry my grammar was bad. "lincoln was a republican asshole" you were the asshole not lincoln my bad. everyone is born with the same rights and with dignity. I dont listen to talk radio either. You misunderstand me. i am mainly referring to affirmative action and theres nothing good about it. sucks about your system though.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 You say you don't listen to right wing radio. I accept this at face value. But, please, tell what sources you do get your information from.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 for the news i read the paper and watch nbc occasionally- if i dont watch it then i dont watch any at all it just depends if i have time or not. the way i arrived at my views is from when i took american history in 8th grade and looked and the current US and was extremely disenchanted. ever since then i have pretty much done my own thing c.s. lewis and ayn rand had an influence on me but it was all in my head before if that makes sense these two just put it into words
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 testing
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 NBC? Intersting as this network is routinely assailed by Bull Orally and company as a megaphone for the left wing. Actuallly, the major networks coverage is fairly bland but certainly more trustworthy than Fox and free of rampant paranoia, tantrums, weeping and end of the world prophecies. Rand is the long dead poet [ and an athiest if I have my facts in order] laureate of unvarnished self interest, something a Christian like Lewis might well have taken issue with.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 o yes lewis himself said christianity is merely socialism or something of the sort. he may be right but i can find passages in the bible to go either way. but what made me question my faith was when people started burning harry potter books in the name of God- total insanity in my opinion. I like a lot of stuff lewis said though. i like rand b/c she was for lassiez- fair capitalism and had this whole morality to go with it. i like them both.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 testing.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 So be it, Pantal. We again agree to disagree; I prefer, and am more inspired by,[even though I am a hopeful agnostic], many basic Christian principles to the dry mechanics of unregulated capitalism. Have a good night.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 you still havent answered the question of how you think violating another human's rights is justified.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Are you referring to slavery, the right for workers to make profis for their masters in safe conditions, child labor, the refusal to let women to vote until 1924, the refusal to let gay women and men avail themselves of somewthing common felons are allowed; maraaige, the right to equal opportunities for employent and edicatian and participate in military service? Be specific.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Well im with you on the gay thing. but im actually referring to the healthcare.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
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molloyxx1 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Pantal. I think we've reached a dead zone re our discussion of health care reform. We have fundamental diasagreements that simply aren't going to be changed or even slightly modified. I think its for the greater good, however watered down [ losing the public option was vastly depressing].Still, I work with hundreds of diabled people who will benefit from it signficantly, who will suffer less and live better lives and I'll leave it right there.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Then i will leave it by saying anyone who lives at the forced expense of another human is doing a great moral wrong. I do not like seeing others suffer either but forcing others to help them is wrong and nothing good can come of it. It rewards failure and punishes success. It ignores reason and history and goes with whim worship. Well then whats your opinion on whats happening in Arizona?
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 So be it. As far as what is happening in Arizona, I am struck that Tom Tancredo, right wing extremist extra-ordinaire, notorious for his xenophobia, is against it. I forsee all manner of Latino American citizens being pulled over for 'driving while brown' and, in political terms, its suicidal for the GOP; the Latino demographic is growing and steadily tending towards the Democrats and make a real diffeence in bordr state elections.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Well perhaps the whole thing with the vast majority being from south of the border is a reason for picking Hispanics? just a thought. ive been thinking though that we should give every illegal immigrant $1 million. itd be nice. but i mean by great great grandpa came over with $43 in his pocket learned English and American culture and succeeded phenomenally. i still have the book he was given called Lessons in Democracy i just dont understand why we should cater to illegal immigrants.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Most illegal immigrants claw their way into this country in order to find work. And very often they are, however undocumented, given work by American businesses, large and small [ meat packing corporations are notorious for this] because they can be paid sub-minimal wages wages white Ameicans would never consider, thus maximizing profits. Once again it is an example of lazy-fare [ pun intended] capitalism.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Ya and i understand that their country sucks but do they really have to bring illegal drugs with them? and whats wrong with waiting their turn to get in like every other immigrant does? i know life sucks there, but totally ignoring the culture of the country you're going to is ridiculous and we allow it which is worse. and in florida i know that the ones who were once workers are now buying the white owners of the company out and having much higher standards of living. ya capitalism
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 i mean if i went to france to live id learn french, to china chinese, to mexico spanish to iran arabic. why do we view it as offensive to teach them english before they become citizens? and i kinda got cut off but yes wonderful example of capitalism they are buying mercedes and like i said are owners of companies rather than workers because they have an incredible work ethic. i think americans should take lessons from them.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 they speak farsi in iran....
bmerah08 1 year ago
@bmerah08 sorry me bad i always forget that iran isnt arab and hate being called that. but what do they call themselves? persian or just iranian or what?
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 and i read plenty of books- but theyre history books not biased democrat ones.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 if you think mainstream media isnt left wing you have a problem. is that why now they are portraying anyone who stands up to obama as greedy racists or something but when bush was in office and people had signs that said kill bush and had a pic of a bullet through his head never gave a thought to it. if that was done with obama the protestor would prob be arrrested and def made a big deal about and called a racist and everything else
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 I watch Fox News on a regular basis [ far better, in terms of comic value, than The Daily Show or Colbert]. I also pay attention to News Max and Human Events as they are even more obsecenely paranoid. I am well acquainted with the Republican Party [ almost completley dominated by conservatives] as only a fool fails to pay attention to his enemy. And I am thrilled that the 2 most well recognized tea baggish quasi Republican wing nuts are Professor Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 i hope you're thrilled about biden and pelosi too- 2 really intelligent humans. the tea party isnt a conservative movement either there are reasonable liberals who understand common sense that take part in it as well. however i do think the repub philosophy is wrong. they like things b/c they are based on tradition(b/c its old) and they use faith a lot and i dont think faith should ever be used a reason to do something in politics. but capitalism is a reasonable thing to do
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 Pelosi had the guts and skill to get health care reform passed when most in the media thought it was dead in the water. No mean feat when you consider the number of Blue Dogs in the Dem party [ presuming you know what they are]. Reagans braintrust did a brilliant job of activiating the evangelical base [Falwell was a regular guest at the White House] and they are essential to the future success of the party. Nevermind that they are certifiably delusional.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Pelosi is worthless shit and if you think shes good then you have a major issue. No i dont know what that stuff is because im not old or care much about trivial stupid shit. this is way sidetracked from the original argument. the point im trying to get at is that you dont seem to care about violating others rights
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
Unrestrained, unregulated capitalism has allowed for slavery, child labor, indentured servitude and working conditions so unsafe, to reference the recent mining disaster, hard working lower class Americans dying thousands of feet below ground. The owner of the mine preferred to pay fines [ all to low to inhibit his greed] than improve safety. When he learned 70 percent of the men who drove his profits wanted to start a union he threatened to close the mine, leaving them destitute.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Where do you think that guys money comes from? Modern day unions are worthless- they've closed two grocery stores here by picketing everyday and getting payed to do it putting even more people out of jobs. and capitalism actually hasnt allowed for all those things and capitalism is the only system that brings the masses out of poverty- thats historic and economic fact. Its also the only system which aligns with rights.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
Unless you're going to start a revolution, this is the system that we live in. Everyday that you go to work and play your part you advocate it. You can work hard all your life and never rise above the poverty level, money is a like a game of numbers and some people know how to play and others never get it. There is no such thing as fair in this life, but we as compassionate beings should strive for balance. Grow up people, political parties are just another way to divide us.
smamalis 1 year ago
@smamalis testing
molloyxx1 1 year ago
You should not be to quick to judge someone. It would be like me saying you are an idiot because you look like one. I don't know you, but I make an assumption about you without knowing who you are. Don't blame me for stating the facts.
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
'Libralism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by fear'----Benjamin Disreali. And no one does fear better than Beck, projected to make 23,000,000 of it this year alone.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Life is unfair. Get used to it!
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
@GaunletofDestruction Perhaps this is what some of the founding fathers said to the slaves they purchased and sometimes murdered
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Stop playing the race card as an excuse to get what you want.
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Thats totally reversed- Liberals are the ones who distrust everyone which is why they want the gov to expand its powers b/c "people are too greedy" prudence is also the opposite of democrats as seen in the passage of the health care bill. a better one is "liberalism(democrats- better term) is a way in which a gov becomes an oligarchy by taking away rights and destroying virtue; when a dem cant win an argument they call the other person greedy and racist.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; thta is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
If you want to do something and do it, aren't you being selfish by doing what you want to do? if you want to see the result of liberal policies go to Detroit. whenever you violate someone's rights, you are performing a moral wrong whether you like it or not. And get off the Founding Fathers already- just b/c you hate America and its principles-capitalism, reason, individualism- doesnt mean everyone else does.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
Those who fail to understand the government, or at least those armatures of the government responsible for passing and signing legislation, are not creatures from a sinister video game but freely elected representatives [who can be dis-elected,if you will, per thier decisions, district by district, should never have been allowed a high school diploma. BTW, welfare costs have plummeted since Clinton.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
Obama care is going down the toilet.
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
@GaunletofDestruction Its nothing but a "pile" of shit! :)
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago 2
@GaunletofDestruction Obamas approval rating after his first year in office is nearly identical to Reagans after his first year in office and many polls show it [ and approval for the bill] slowly climbing since its passage. You would be wise to get your information from a broader spectrum of sources than Glenn Beck[ the former shock jock radio wizard who behaves like a premenstrual teenage girl], Fox News [ news it aint] News Max and the old bitter drunk at the corner bar.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 Ha.. Where do you get your information from? Alex Jones and Raechal Maddow? At least Beck speaks the truth on issues that you don't want to admit have major flaws including Obamacare:)
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
@GaunletofDestruction In Jan 2008 Beck described healthcare in America as a 'nightmare' and bragged about surviving it. He complained about it on a series of his CNN programs. Later, once in the employ of Fox News, he described it as the best in the world. The ex-shock jock alcoholic opportunist fear monger has no more credibility re current political issues or history than Paris Hilton or Miley Cyrus.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 You can believe what you want, but how is this bill constitutional if it forces Americans to purchase healthcare, and fines them if they don't buy it?
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago 2
@GaunletofDestruction Where I live car insurance is mandated and I have absolutely no problem with it. It lowers premiums and serves to protect all those who drive. Some say riving is a 'privelege'; tell that to those who live in rural communities whee there is no public transportation. Those who fail to buy [ but can afford] health insurance burden us all if they suddnly need catastrophic care.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 The choice on weather or not ot buy healthcare should be decided by the American people and not their government. But the only reason why your premiums are lowered is because others have to take more money out of their paycheck to foot the bill. It is unfair to rob Peter in order to pay Paul. Those who have everything in their lives given to them abuse the system and it keeps them in poverty. Just look at Welfare.
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
Caution! Do not engage in conversations with a liberal. You will just be insulting human intelligence.
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago 2
Well blah :( can't watch this
zerosgame 1 year ago
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FUCK YOU, i will try and nominate MR. Obama as dumbass of the year next to Janet napalatano , you don't work for the people you work against the people. the ordinary people is not the people you are trying to help, rationing medical help doesn't help the chronically ill you dumb fuck
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thehiddenhand20 1 year ago
Nice jobs reps. Now the standard for our health care is at the mercy of the people who make money on it.
TheGreatGonzoMan 1 year ago
WHERE IS ARMAGEDDON? I was promised this by all of the idiot conservatives when Obama took office and then when he passed this bill. I think it's time conservatives quit holding back the country and either leave or shut up!!!
TheJman6360 1 year ago
Ladies and Gentlement...........I present to you America The Welfare State!!!
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
@GaunletofDestruction The people that think Obama care is great,are the same
ones that signed lengthy contracts for homes, without understanding all the fine print and real cost or risk involved,
federalwarhawk 1 year ago 3
@federalwarhawk You are absolutly right!
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
white power
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
white power
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
That is an incredible victory. Why dont these people understand that he is doing this on their own behalf. The republicans are actually working for the healthcare corporates. Actually, if you look closer u can see most the opposition stems from the fact that Obama is Afro-american. Most arguments are racially motivated. Only advice i can give is go home take off your brief and have a nice scratch.
1980samt 1 year ago
@1980samt Hey you dumb nigger... you represent the dumb nigger asshole who wants to live off the government for free, you think that you are entitled to money like welfare and shit, where do you think the money to pass this "FREE" health care is coming from, our pockets (you included) obama cant pull money out of his ass, hes a dumb fucking nigger that talks a good game to uneducated coons from the inner city that complain about our country when they should just go the fuck back to africa
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
@bionicbutthole Nice!!! That took a lot of thinking on your part! You must be from the south, nobody else can be that stupid!!!
TheJman6360 1 year ago
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bionicbutthole 1 year ago
@TheJman6360 im actually from the north and tell me exactly one reason any of that is stupid, just one and it has to be a legitiamte reason!!! it cant be about how its a stereotype about black people because a large majority of niggers are lazy fucks now arent they??
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
@bionicbutthole One legitimate reason that paragraph of stupidity was a joke is that because when you have nothing else to insult but race that is truly pathetic!!! Don't get mad, get educated. You are not going to be able to learn anything with a poor vocabulary from watching the fox news channel.
TheJman6360 1 year ago
@TheJman6360 where is the poor vocabulary in that? and the only reason i use race is because every ethnic minority in america voted for obama even the conservative's because he is an ethnic minority himself not to mention he lied and promised free health care, how is it free when it comes out of our pockets?? only fucking uneducated niggers would think that the health care package would be free, and i did watch the fox news and watch niggers getting interviewed and they all thought it was free
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
@bionicbutthole btw tell me any facts on this issue other than im using race because clearly i noticed i am using race as a reason, fucking liberal nigger
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
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@bionicbutthole btw tell me any facts on this issue other than im using race because clearly i noticed i am using race as a reason, fucking liberal nigger
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
@bionicbutthole: you speak the absolute truth. The trouble is these dumb blacks don't have any brains, so it's useless to try to reason with them. They are lazy and look for the easy way out of everything.
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago 2
@ConservativeRuleinUS amen to thatlook at that TheJman6360's comment to me
bionicbutthole 1 year ago
assassination, they did it to the good ones, why not This physco!
AngelusDaemonus 1 year ago
Lincoln spoke of 'our better angels'. Arch capitalists see people as objects, objects whose intrinsic value is only to increase the bottom line. America is still ruled by these fucks, but the tide is slowly and steadily changing and when the dust settles those who opposed health care reform will be seen in the same light as those who opposed child labor laws, womens right to vote and civil rights legislation.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 that is exactly right, time will prove the opposition wrong.
1980samt 1 year ago
These people are not Medicaid or Medicare eligible because they have not applied for SSI or SSD because, despite their psychiatric conditions, they are able and willing to work. But there are no jobs. Moreover, in the county I work in [ pop appx 1.5 million] local churches do not provide a single bed for homeless males, but do on ocasion provide food boxes and once in a blue moon assistance with utility bills. I am happy to see my taxes go towards the decrease of suffering.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
See you're okay with that but others arent and others dont want healthcare. whenever you force someone to do something b/c you think its right is wrong.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago 2
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Since American Citizens are now going to be required to have health insurance, will I also have to continue to carry personal injury ins on my homeowner's/renter's ins policy? Can I drop the personal injury ins for my auto ins policy? If I can't afford all 3, what are my options? Die, don't live in a house/apt or don't drive? I thought you said the ins cos were the BIG BAD GUY? Looks to me like you just handed the ins cos more power and profit. Great reform? NOT The little guy looses again.
tkca25 1 year ago
What is wrong with the health bill i guess its the racist whites who do not want the health bill because they want the poor blacks to die Bush make war with the arabs its okay because you are our keith and kin
bvojo 1 year ago
only reason anyone would play a race card is their lack of understanding and or knowledge of the constitutional aspect of this unconstitutional bill.
jbtaylor69 1 year ago
poor black kids? you ignorant fool. there are just as many poor white kids in this country. poverty of the children are brought about by the unwillingness of their parents. blame the dumbasses that go about fucking everthing that walks and the stupid bitches that spread their legs for fun. you're fucking racist yourself. ya damn hypocrite.
TheUnforgettableLion 1 year ago
Youtubers. I need opinions from liberal/Democrats and Conservative/Republicans. Please give me some pro and cons about this new Health care Plan. is it just some bill so that government controls everything and can have access to our private lives and finances? or will the American people really benefit from it. Do you all consider it change and hope and liberalism, or is it just a sign of Socialism and fascism. Is this what Alex Jones meant by the documentary "the fall of the Republic"
123theater1 1 year ago
Oh shut the fuck up, the surveys vary - some will say most want it, some will say most won't want it, some will be completely OFF topic! Most likely, about half of the Americans won it because they know (or need) the benefits, and half don't want it because they don't know the benefits (or believe it was all a socialist plot, which makes me wonder A) Why is it socialist and B) what is wrong with socialism? Des any conservatives know what socialism is about besides the paranoid lies about it?)
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 year ago
Every time this guy opens his mouth a lie comes out. by the people for the people? how about the majority not wanting the bill
fuggsakes 1 year ago 2
@fuggsakes Most Americans did not want to see an increase of troop strength in Afghanistan. Obama added 17,000 in March of 2009 and 33,000 in the fall of 2009 [ pissing off his liberal base to no end]. This, of course, after Bush/Cheney did nothing to counter the Taliban resurgence for years. It takes no courage to promote a bill that the public finds unpopular [ and in the case of health care because the GOP lied effectively], it takes guts and a sense of leadership.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 you bet it takes guts to flip the bird to the american people and tell them they wanted the bill people were screaming at the top of their lungs 'we dont want the bill, start over' and Obama has the bare face cheek to tell them they wanted it, Obama surged troops in because he is Bush 2.0, same with the patriot act wiretapping, supporing wall street and everything else....he sure has guts
fuggsakes 1 year ago
people like to hoard money. Id like to ask you. If one hundred people abused of the money they get from social benefits ( out of tax payers pocket) but one family benefited from it is int it worth it?
kharmaploy 1 year ago
You better hang onto your ass, it's as if Abe Lincoln's spirit is in this man.
When this period of history is passed, you better remember it you will never see the likes of this man again.
calloutinchains 1 year ago
Obama and his cronies are nothing but communists
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago 2
@ConservativeRuleinUS what do you mean he a communist Obama is trying to help the poor blacks of America you filthy pig you have gorged yourself so much that you are ready for the slaughter house
bvojo 1 year ago
@bvojo: you "poor" blacks need to get off your lazy asses and get to work. You are the lazy pig, who has gorged on freebies for too long. I would like to pack-up your kind and send you to North Korea or some other communist country. They'd send you to the slaughterhouse quickly. LMFAO
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago
@ConservativeRuleinUS YES!! i agree
thehiddenhand20 1 year ago
@ConservativeRuleinUS Poor blacks who are victimised by the master race poor blacks who are told to get out of the country which is not the the white mans country
ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET Thats what i say
bvojo 1 year ago
@bvojo: you "poor" blacks need to start taking personal responsibility and blaming every other race for your massive problems. The Asians and Hispanics come here and work circles around you lazy blacks. You all are busy killing each other every day...lol. Where are all the nice black-run nations in the world? African nations are toilet bowls. You all are pathetic! LMFAO.
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago
@ConservativeRuleinUS Yes Master race thank you very much for being the devil
bvojo 1 year ago
@bvojo: it looks as if this "devil" has done very well in the world compared with your stupid race....lol. You all need to achieve on your own. Stop mooching off others, and stop taking credit/advantage of the hard work of others.
ConservativeRuleinUS 1 year ago
TAKE THAT HEALTHCARE BASTARDS!
SexyLikeAScorpio 1 year ago
I'm from the UK andx its ace having the NHS.
We get good health care.
logamac 1 year ago
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funny they all want democracy until they find out 65% are against obamacare..
az101010 1 year ago
I would say that most people objecting about the the health bill have never been really sick, have sufficient money to pay hospital bills or have insurance. I think this bill is not about providing health care for the poor it's about allowing everyone in the states access to quality health care without the worry about being kicked out in the streets to die if you don't have medical insurance or if the medical insurance company finds a reason not to pay which is often the case.
AussieJiminThailand 1 year ago
Or maybe its just people who like to have their rights and choose whether or not to have healthcare. I've heard that only 5% of the 35 million cant afford healthcare and the rest choose not to have it.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago 2
Why would people choose not to be treated when they are ill?
There are lots of so called middle class people in America who go broke due to the cost of paying for treatments that their insurance just will not cover due to so called pre-existing conditions. If the middle classes are going brook trying to stay alive what hope is there for those on lower income.
Please think about that before mouthing off about your rights being taken away because if you are dead you have no rights to take away
diceman1666 1 year ago
Its more a choice of whether or not to have insurance and I dont know what their rational is but its up to them. in my hometown i have never met someone who couldnt afford treatment and went broke as a result- they have always been able to appeal to private charity and get whatever treatment they need. And i also believe in the motto of this country's founding "Give me Liberty or give me Death!" I know health care needs reform but its up to the people not the gov.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
What an idyllic place you must live. I work with people who have no medical insurance whatsoever [ their psychiatric care paid for via state and county funding]. Some can get an rx for pain medication at the ER but cannot afford to pay for it [ despite pleas to local churches]. Another could not get free dental care and removed two infected teeth with a pair of pliers. Others cannot afford meds for diabetes, high blood pressure, blood clots, migraine headaches and chronic pain. Its criminal.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
psychiatric? so theyre insane? do they even attend the churches or just ask them for money? the private charities im referring to are people at benefit brunches or something. but the point Im trying to make is that nothing brings the masses out of poverty more than capitalism- the only economic system to align with rights. Socialism and socialist approaches solve nothing,
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
Your impression of people who suffer from chronic mental illness is so breathtakingly underinformed, so clotted with absurd asumptions about who they are and what they believe and what thye are capable of I am almost at a loss for words. Ignorance, and especially ignorance born or intellectual laziness, Pantal, always opens the door for callousness and cruelty. And you have the audacity to speak of churches and what they are reputed represent. Both stunning and pathetic.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 O ya they must be on drugs what was i thinking? Why is church bad? My priest has never done anything wrong and while i dont always agree with the churches views i support the church more than any other social scams. but thats off topic- there was a kid once who wanted to help poor people so his dad told him to cut the grass and take the money he made and donate it all but the kid asked why dont poor just work in the first place? the dad said welcome to the republican party haha
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 I bet there are millions of Americans who would like to live in your hometown where private charities are able to help cover the healthcare cost for those who fall short.
One thing that I would like you to do for me is to volunteer at an advice centre in your hometown (if there is one) or for one of those private charities that you know so much about to see first hand how much help they are able to offer to all those selfish people who choose not to buy private insurance.
diceman1666 1 year ago
I've heard that only 5% of the 45 or 35 million without insurance cant afford it and others choose not to. Well my cousin needed help with cancer and got help from regular people to help pay for it. And i doubt anyone would want to live here- the unions already killed the area and people are moving out like crazy.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
As I know all too well from grim personal experience, long term care for cancer is extremely expensive, over time costing upwards of a million dollars. The notion that the 'regular' people in your idyllic small town could shoulder this kind of burden is absurd and your general position is morally indefensible.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
@molloyxx1 hahahahah idylllic if you only knew. I think you have a horrilbe misunderstanding of the point im trying to make- that individuals have rights and no one has the right to violate them not even the savior obama. I'll help people if i want but it will be on my own terms and what i voluntarily consent to. all your system does is reward the failures for failing and destroys those who are sucessful for being successful a real reform comes from the people not the gov.
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@Pantalaimon345 You missed the point completely. If your cousin had proper health insurance s/he should not need outside help to pay for anything. I would also ask you to speak to your cousin face to face, if s/he would talk to you and find out what s/he had to go through in order to be treated. Go out there and find out your own information. Read the bill yourself to find out what is in it. Never let others tell you what something says. This is why people are encouraged to learn to read
diceman1666 1 year ago
@diceman1666 i dont have time to read a 2500 page bill written in a language i probably dont understand thats loaded with pork way off topic. My cuz doesnt support the healthcare bill and she did have insurance but it covered so much but not enough that the fam could pay the rest of it. I am also a very avid reader and history is one of my fav things and i cant believe how gross America has become from its founding and how disappointed the founders would be if they saw us today- weak & broke
Pantalaimon345 1 year ago
@diceman1666 When the elderly Americans find out that his bill has passed, they will drop dead!
GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
Wall St investrment banks having been hiring MIT mathematicians to help them develop obscure, hyper-complex mechanisms to increase profits [ mechanisms so complex, so nearly impossible to understand they are extremely difficult to regulate AND very high risk]. Wall St is a casino in which, all too often, craven vultures gamble big with other peoples money.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
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its a shame the GOPS cant just get on board with this.. maybe they like having this paper civil war, but WE dont. they know damn well almost everything they oppose has nothing to do with a disagreement or a moral obligation against it..hell, most of them dont even fully understand the things they're rallying against! they just deny whatever the liberals approve of! thats ALL it is to them! its not about policies, its not about rights, its just one big game of "us and them". ..and its sad.
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brooklynbasin 1 year ago
i don't get why people are against this bill? it just make it that every American citizen that couldn't get a health insurance will now be able to. i understand the rich people will have to pay more taxes to cover all that, but to me its part of charity.
Spider449 1 year ago
spider: did u know that the top 1-3% earners in the US already pay about 40% of the income taxes? imagine you're a business owner. you've worked your butt off establishing your successful business. but now due to this legislation, you are forced to pay for your neighbor who refuses to stay healthy (smokes, drinks, eats bad food), and also refuses to work as well. do u get the pic?
jimpodi 1 year ago
And who are the top 1 to 3 percent? Investment bankers, hedge fund managers, oil speculators, CEOs of major oil companies and a host of WallSt vultures whose greed and incomptency [ it is becoming clearer and clearer that many of the high rollers betting on credit default swaps et al had no fucking idea what they were doing] nearly brought the economy to ruin? These arent fucking small to average sized business owners.
molloyxx1 1 year ago
molloyxx1: i'm not sure of who makes up the top 1-3% earners in the US, but i was trying to make a point that they've already paid a huge proportion of taxes every year. you seem to have an emotional beef with the corporation world, so you form your own image of who's to blame for the economic troubles in this country. this is understandable, but not substantiated.
jimpodi 1 year ago
jim. In 1950 top CEOs earned 24 times the average workers pay, by 1990 it had climbed to 122 times, by 2009 550 times [ today, an average CEO earns as much in 1 day as an avge worker earns in 1 year]. Do you think this is because these 'folks' are working 550x harder than the average worker? I happen to think the economic elites have done a brilliant job of rigging the game in their favor. What is your explanation?
molloyxx1 1 year ago
molloyxx1: perhaps they are smarter than you and me. but does that translate into equating them to people like bernie madoff? wall st is like a casino, but it's ultimately the decision of the individuals to invest their hard earn $ into these "evil" CEO companies.
jimpodi 1 year ago
yay OBAMA!!
For people who is against it explain more cause it doesn't really show why you don't like it. The only thing i see is none meaning but just saying doom and such bunch of bull.
gracelovesaaron 1 year ago
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GaunletofDestruction 1 year ago
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gracelovesaaron 1 year ago
@GaunletofDestruction if you haven't heard it depends on our income on how much their going to take away.
gracelovesaaron 1 year ago
maybe we can pick the money for this off the trees. The new world order and it's followers/contributors needs to be flushed down the toilet
NoorminAllah 1 year ago
you have no idea what your saying, there is no comparison between this man and Bush.
jam15145 1 year ago