wee need more like tony benn in british goverment now days. wee are turning into america . this conservative selfish scumbag goverment is slowly turning the nhs into a private system. like america, where the ritch are ritch and the poor are dirt poor. revolution!
I think the point most people miss about British health care is that there is a private health care system if you want it. You don't have to go NHS. The concept of the NHS is to provide basic, frontline and necessary medical services for all that's what it does. Millions of Britains have additional private health care on top. It's not perfect but at least no-one in Britain has to lose sleep at night wondering how they will ever pay their medical bills.
The Uk is the size of one state in America, I think the US could have a type of NHS but have it at the state level rather than at a federal level
I think America would be reluctant to go that route though as from what I understand, people make a lot of money out of the Health Insurance companies
The NHS is facing an onslaught. One from governments' pretending to "love" the NHS - whilst selling off increasingly large parts of it to their "chums".
But there's a greater threat and that is from inside the NHS. Society has changed. Since Thatcher many have become individualistic and that includes SOME who work in the NHS.
They don't want the NHS at heart - they want the "free market". This poses the greatest threat to NHS because these individuals withhold true commitment and service.
One of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA is the lack of tax-funded, universal, free healthcare for all, regardless of the ability to pay. Another one of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA is the Tea Bagging Party nutjobs who insist that free healthcare is "socialism" and therefore evil, and yet call themselves "Christian" but hold this view! Universal healthcare provision, social security benefits, social housing, etc, are Christian ethics.
@markanthonyquested Stealing money to give to another, is not Christian, it's theft. The UK has a terrible second world health system, Britain should have a system akin to Germany or France.
almost 100% of the British public voice their support for the nhs it is worldwide considered by the British to be our greatest achievement. to those americans opposed to universal healthcare.. stay in your crappy american hellhole and don't come to Europe, your not wanted
I broke my arm 4 years ago, some twat hit me with their car and drove off. Was in the hospital for 4 hours, arm in a cast, sorted. All free, no one can complain about that. Fantastic system, and it should never be taken away. A lot of Americans should take the words of Tony Benn, 'If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people' brilliant, mind changing words from a fantastic man who really wanted to help the people of his country.
The NHS does not do a great job. The opinion of general-None you-tube blogging-British people is overwhelmingly negative of the whole system, certainly in practice. It is most certainly not a right and the single biggest tax burden on British people along with the benefit system. WE WOULD benefit from a more American system if you look at the facts but sadly 'fact' doesn't seem to be an intrinsic aspect of British politics anymore..............................RON PAUL 2012 (I'm from Salford btw)
@Trustmeimastomach "The NHS does not do a great job. The opinion of general-None you-tube blogging-British people is overwhelmingly negative of the whole system..."
Pulling that out of your ass much? An American survey of health care systems of Germany, France, Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia, UK, and the US. Ranked the NHS first for efficiency and second overall. The US was ranked last.
As to your question, "Why are you entitled?" We're entitled because we ALL pay national insurance. lol
@UnitedKingdomify Well said man. I'm fed up of these slanders and lies about our NHS. sure it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than that american nonsense.
@MrGilles1990 Erm, asserting things don't make them true. Go read up on it, pull your head out of your arse, then get back to me. The NHS came second to the health care system of the Netherlands in the study I was referring to. Rated on cost, service, time with GP... sorry but the NHS ranks higher than Germany and France.
@MrGilles1990 S'the Commonwealth Trust of the United States which updates every year for the past three/four years. Unlike the WHO it is an actual review of the standard of healthcare, to its cost (GDP), equity, quality and not a general view of health!
The WHO stats are worked out on life expectancy, birth mortality etc. It bases it results on the health of the country, but doesn't actually rate the systems of healthcare, nor take into account the lifestyle of the people.
@MrGilles1990 I think it's common knowledge that the UK sports a binge-drinking culture that neither Germany or France has. More people smoke, and more people are obese. The list goes on. lol In fact I think the UK ranks on statistics of healthy lifestyles somewhere near the bottom in Europe. But this isn't a reflection of the quality of healthcare.
So as to your: "The NHS is a failed 20th century model of healthcare."
All I can say is *prove it*. You'll have a hard time proving it true. ( >.0)
@UnitedKingdomify An easy time proving it. An overly bureaucratic system for a post war era. 12 years old? what you think the NHS would rate higher after the IT scandal and other monetary scandals? I think not. You are also getting healthcare systems and lifestyle choices mixed up.
@MrGilles1990 Assertions aren't proof, jackass. It's all right spouting sound bites about negative views of the NHS... but without facts you;re just talking shit. S'the same deal with most NHS critics.
@MrGilles1990 lol, I'm waiting on facts. How can I be losing anything when you haven't said anything!
I fail to see how you've highlighted anything that rates the NHS as a poor healthcare system when it comes to, as I said, quality, efficiency, equity, personal service, cost... in which it rates higher than all but the system of the Netherlands.
All you've done is state that the French and German healthcare systems are better based on twelve year-old WHO statistics and.... oh wait, that is it!
@UnitedKingdomify 12 year old statistics that are not likely change in the NHS's favour after the IT scandal or the amount of money and quality received ratio.
@MrGilles1990 I already highlighted the flaw in the WHO statistics compared to the Commonwealth Fund review. Totally different criteria. Any kind of "scandal" isn't a reflection of the services delivered, of the satisfaction of patients, of the overall cost of the service...
... in short. You got nothing. You just *think* the French and German systems are better based on little to no evidence, which is funny, but also kinda sad. I'm not out to change your mind. You can be wrong all you like.
@MrGilles1990 Er, yeah "the NHS zealots"... wow. o.O Move along psycho boy.
You've got nothing but assumptions, assertions, and no real reason to hold the position that you do, and no means to defend it. WMA doesn't promote anything but free and timely healhcare and doesn't hold stats beyond those provided by the WHO.
@MrGilles1990 According to this criteria it rates worse than the German system in some areas, worse the New Zealand in some areas, but better in others. But overall, as universal/national health goes, the NHS is an excellent service and system.
Show me something that suggests the system is outmoded or outdated. Other than your opinion you haven't given anything.
You came at me with the "bollocks" ... I'm asking you to "prove it!" If you can't then... jog on. lol
@MrGilles1990 - I don't think you're getting it. The NHS is "HANDS OFF," M'kay? And always will be. Go and look up some statistics about the number of people it employs and the size of the population of the UK.
why are americans so against a public healthcare system...? i tell you why, ignorance... the nhs is known as the best healthcare system in the world... and it's free to us all.... and you call that a bad thing?
The NHS is a damn God-send - google "Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham" - such a beautiful hospital - before you Americans make judgements and call us "commies" - check out our hospitals - we may not have marble floors but we can provide advanced healthcare to every British citizen.
People here in the UK are sometimes critical of the NHS and at times I am, but when I come to think of it compared to living in the USA in terms of health-care, I simply don't know how lucky I am. There has been so many occasions in my life where the free health-care system has benefited me, simple things such as getting my braces and getting stitches for my leg. The NHS was one of the best things that ever happened to the British people and don't know what we would be without it.
@Trustmeimastomach although I see this has already been answered. I would like to add that this is probably the dumbest thing ive ever read of yt. NATIONAL INSURANCE you fucking cunt.
The NHS today only exists for the Children/unemployed/immigrants...if you earn a wage you still have to pay....
i myself pay for private Healthcare (BUPA).. costs more but your straight in/straight out...no waiting in A&E for 6 hours or months for a simple operation...
@MegaPaul71 There is NO A&E in BUPA clinics. BUPA is for people with , non-critical illnesses. Try asking BUPA to treat a child's leukaemia or put your wife in intensive care for a month after a car accident!
I've lived in Canada, the UK and the USA, and I can certify that a single-payer system like in Canada is the best possible system for developed nations.
The NHS encourages malingerers. It is not free. You pay for it twice: once through taxation, and again by perscription charges. You cannot get to see a fully qualified doctor, and you are diagnosed by either a nurse or by a receptionist. You now are given a secret password to get a hospital appointment. If you forget your password, you don't get an appointment, and you are left to die.
@rithompson If you work in the NHS you would know about the secret passwords. The fact that you think that the passwords are "off the wall" means that you are a lying sack of shit. You do not work in the NHS. Go out and get a job.
@davijeph Ach! Wieder ist er Oberstürmbanführer Schwuler, kommandant der berühmte Todeslager Leicester Royal Infirmary. Der alt Schmutzfink von einem anderen Stern.
@tigranvartanovitch "Ach! Wieder ist er Oberstürmbanführer Schwuler, kommandant der berühmte Todeslager Leicester Royal Infirmary. Der alt Schmutzfink von einem anderen Stern. So I was right you are Terry Fuckwitt.
@tigranvartanovitch Oh, I work in the NHS - shall I show you my staff ID badge? None of those things happen in NHS hospitals. Only a doctor or surgeon can diagnose a patient, and where did this "secret password" idea come from - it does not happen!
@rithompson A relative who lives in England sent me the letter she was sent, saying that the whole thing was childish. If you really worked in the NHS you would know all this. That is how I know you are a liar. If you really do work in the NHS, why don't you get up off your arm and start cleaning Leicester Royal Infirmary b4 someone else gets MRSA and dies!
@tigranvartanovitch Hmm. Sounds like a Choose and Book thing, but that isn't the only way to see a consultant in the NHS - you can still get a referral from a GP/dentist - just gives patients a choice of appointment.
@rithompson The document I saw was a referral froma GP. Another thing that those who tell Americans to have an NHS is that they have no idea what the problems are in USA. The tax system is different. You are forcing ordinary people to pay for the health care of useless eaters, drug addicts, drunks etc. Then there is health tourism. The Mexicans and the Canadians will be over the borders in droves. Boatloads of Carribeans, Russians, Filipinos, radioactive Japs from Fukushima. It just won't work.
@rithompson Are you telling us that if a foreigner gets off the plane and collapses with bubonic plague or a heart attack, that he is going to be left there to die? I don't think so. Are you sure you work in the NHS?
@tigranvartanovitch Terry Fuckwitt try to be consistent even if you a fuckwitt. " You cannot get to see a fully qualified doctor, You now are given a secret password to get a hospital appointment. If you forget your password, you don't get an appointment, and you are left to die." "Are you telling us that if a foreigner gets off the plane and collapses with bubonic plague or a heart attack, that he is going to be left there to die? I don't think so. Are you sure you work in the NHS?
I know people who have come to live in the UK and they never had any restrictions.
The central ethos of the NHS is that it is "free at the point of use." Anyone can use it, whether they are a citizen, a resident, or even a tourist, wherever they are in the country, and nobody is excluded.
@BasilFawlty4444 Not excluded, just made to wait 8 months until the preventable illness has manifested in their bodies to an irreversible degree. GOD SAVE OUR NOBLE NHS!!!! It really isn't all we British crack it up to be
@Trustmeimastomach You're talking utter shite, based largely, I suspect on ZERO experience of it. It's an enormous organisation, there are bound to be areas that are less effective but to spout some horseshit about how the US model is better is inaccurate and a fallacy. Having extensive, personal experience with my daughter's treatment within the NHS it's people like you who undermine it. As someone posted below, tossers like you make me feel ashamed to be British.
@Jude2Mahoney Wow where do i start with this reply. Firstly, using isolated incidents in a general argument is weak. My friends father needed his leg amputating-after being asked to come back and come again in one hospital he had to move to another where they immediately had to amputate a leg which easily could have been saved (their words). Secondly the NHS is the only health service i have had experience with. Thirdly, Nationalistic people like yourself are the most regressive for Britain
@Trustmeimastomach Wow, where I start with your reply. In YOUR previous post you talk about "the opinion of general None Youtube blogging... is negative" Total and UTTER BS. You have no evidence, no stats, just a bunch of Daily Fail headlines and you accuse MY argument of being? Yours isn't weak, because you don't have one! How the fuck do you know I'm nationalistic you cunt? I'm actually emigrating because there are too many unthinking pricks like you in the UK as it is.
@Trustmeimastomach Furthermore you dare call my daughter's health an isolated incident as though my own experience is less valid some stats you'd try and pull out of your arse? Man I'd love to fuckin' meet you in person. Also, you then use some weak fucking argument of your own, hypocrite much? Finally, it's idiots like you who think "American is best" that have no clue about life. Don't even fucking reply to any of this, you frankly haven't earnt the right.
@Jude2Mahoney Here I go replying........stay calm now! I'd happily meet you-il message you my phone number if you want. Why such anger? I wasn't disrespecting your daughter's health-I was highlighting that while you used that single incident to claim the NHS worked well, I had a single case where the opposite was true. Finally, your 'you make me ashamed to be British' comment is why I guessed you are nationalistic-your incredible anger is also systematic of it. And unfounded idea on "rights"
@Trustmeimastomach You highlighted a single incident where it didn't work. Meanwhile in the United States people fall into crippling debt, and in some instances lose their homes trying to cover health bills. Single mothers on low incomes with ill children are forced to work three jobs to cover health bills. 40,000+ Americans aren't covered and don't receive anything but basic care, and in most instances no care at all.
The NHS makes US health care look like shit. The thing you're full of! >.0
@Trustmeimastomach Did I say 40,000+? 36,000,000 Americans don't have insurance. Can only expect the very base level of care, and are pretty much in the shit. If you compare the NHS to the American system on any level, it beats it. It is cheaper, more efficient, there is less wasted money, a greater standard of care, patients can expect more time with doctors/GPs.
If you're a Brit and you dislike the NHS. Go with BUPA. We have that choice here. Your arguments against the NHS are just plain bunk.
Because the Government are just the angels we need to take care of all the money paid in taxes to take care of everyone's health needs. Right? Give me a break
@JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed Yeah and health insurance companies only interested in profits are angels who will take care of everyone. You should try socialised medicine, it's not as terrifying as you Americans think.
The NHS provide healthcare to everyone, regardless of financial status, from the homeless on the streets to those living in mansions, it really doesn't matter, healthcare in the UK is a right, not a privilage. The government are seeking to destroy the NHS, cutting it's vital funding & budgets, America has no idea, and shouldn't comment on the NHS given the state of it's own healthcare system. One that lets you die if you can't pay.
@thegoodcocklife There would've been a revolution back then, but unfortunately we've become more like Americans since then (thanks to the Tories). There's no communities anymore, just ppl looking after No. 1.
Maybe I'm a fucking idiot. But what exactly is wrong in having free universal healthcare in the USA. The supposed leading western super power, land of the free, brave and such shite.
@jfkjrlover I can't believe that to be the case, the majority of American's I've met are decent folk. A free health care system for all should be paramount for a western civilised society.
@AntonyShimminlfc I agree but the haves don't want to sacrifice a little for the have-nots. We're fed a lot of propaganda here that capitalism is perfect and socialism is evil; we're told everyone should look out for themselves only, etc. If we had honest politicians who weren't owned by millionaires and billionaires who want to keep things as they are, the U.S. would be a lot better off.
@jfkjrlover No doubt about it. I don't know why those who want universial health care just don't come to Britain and film whats going on. For example ten miles down the road We're going to have a new hospital built which is costing about £1 Billion. I could use it the next day and not pay a single penny, cent, dollar, quarter or whatever. America needs a revolution
Thankgod for the NHS my daughter had open heart surgery when she was 6 and had great care, ive had two ops also...Dont let the Torys destroy it!! My gran worked as a nurse and i remember her saying how great it was when it started she was brought up without it...So proud of it!!!
I have lived in three countries. I'm a native of Germany and lived in the US and the UK for a while. A universal health care is def the best system. Americans should come here and experience for themselves instead of listening to ignorants politicians over there.
My NHS experience was superb. I was in St Georges for three days. After full recovery from my heart by-pass operation I resumed my business full time. I feel 10 years younger since the operation.
We should be really proud of our NHS, ensure it is properly funded and not allow greedy politicians to destroy it. The vote in Parliament on the changes to it is in 7 days.
Google 38 Degrees & join the fight to save the NHS.
My experience with the NHS is TERRIBLE, I´ve spent 18 days calling to get an appointment after my GP referred me to a specialist, 75% of the times nobody answered the phone, and the other 25% I got lame excuses ("the secretary is on holidays, call again next week", "we´ll send you the details through post", without results). I think NHS is, unfortunately, going down...I´ve been to some much poorer countries with a WAY better public, universal, free health care, such as Spain.
What i always found ironic is that when americans screech about socialised healthcare like they have in britain 'death panels etc ' . that if it were not for the loans their country gave our's after ww2 we would not have had been able to start the nhs ,, so thanks america .
@WhiteMan111093 well I have great health care. If you cant afford health care then youre better off leaving the us. If you have a decent job then there's no doubt the quality of your health care is one of the best in the world. Ive spoken to a few people from Newcastle, liverpool and london and asked them what system they thought was better. They all told me the same thing. That if you can afford it then its much better in the united states.
@TheInsider3000 I didnt know the UK had that. I mean if it was up to me I would choose universal. Im an advocate for it. I just hate how people watch this movie and see our health care as garbage. The quality is great, the way the system works is bull shit
@AlphaMale593 that's true, and I know that a lot of people who have very rare diseases go to the US for treatment, but there is still the big problem that a lot of people don't have access to healthcare.
@AlphaMale593 lol if u can afford it. point is britian could have the greatest hospitals in the world but we would rather look after everybody.american system is heartless and making money off ill people its just wrong in so many ways
@anonymoose84 Well if you walk into a hospital and your having a heat attack they have to take care of you by law. but basically yeah there really arent many alternatives. Im just saying the quality here is better. I would prefer universal healthcare because at one point I experienced what its like when my family didnt have health insurance. Its scary. I hate people that call it socialist and commuinist. Its fuckin stupid
@MrBloograss New life expectancy figures show Americans some way behind countries like Canada, the UK and Australia. Why? Living in the world's richest country comes at a price, and it's measured in life years. Men in the US are on average aged 75 when they die. That is 1.5 years younger than men in the UK and 3.5 years younger than men in Australia, says a new study.
Just be thankful you are not in America, home to the worst healthcare in the West. British doctor Stan Brock provides healthcare aid to over 200,000 Americans per year.. one small example of its third world healthcare.
In Czech Rep. we have also our "NHS". It´s good-working system and it provides high-level care for free. It´s paid through taxes (similar to UK´s NIC). As I used to live also in USA (2yrs), Germany (2yrs) and UK (5yrs) I can compare. Germany has also it´s NHS and it provides top care in EU for free. The UK´s healthcare system works worse then Czech, for some medical investigations you wait quite long time, but Brits could be still proud of it as it cares about much more people then Czech´s.
I'm British and the single best thing about this country is the NHS and I hate it when people who have never been to this country complain about the NHS. Nobody I have met is in favour of privatising the NHS.
My late uncle always banged on about how great the NHS is- calling it a “sacred institution” that the Tories must never be allowed to destroy.
Now it turns out that the pharmaceutical agency he ran had been ripping off the taxpayers for years- he colluded with corrupt Trust managers to vastly overcharge for medicines & equipment. He used the proceeds of this crime against the taxpayer to live like a Lord in a huge house in the country.
In therefore feel a bit cynical about our 'beloved' NHS.
@SuperTruth77 Feel cynical about your late corrupt uncle by all means and if they are real the corrupt Trust managers. How long ago did this happen? I for one have not read, seen or heard your story in the news. Did the police and authorities get on the case did your uncle serve a jail sentence? Who blew the whistle on him and his agency or the trust managers did they go to jail? Even if true (suspect it's not) I don't see how a few people in high places make the NHS corrupt.
England has around 51 million people, around 26% of that population waits over 18 weeks (5.5 months) for care. The U.S. has around 300+ million people and we still have shorter waits so universal coverage is NOT equal access this is according to the BBC, time for all you Socialist Liberal youth go travel, get off the internet... bbc.co.uk/news/health-12964360
by a % of a Country's population more Brits and Canadians die in their Country waiting for care than Americans do. I notice most people who want Single Payer are young and healthy and too cheap to pay their health insurance and want to spend their money on high speed internet, cable tv and other things they don't need while they want to pass their medical bills off to tax payers. Health insurance is NOT expensive, our lifestyles are.
Universal Healthcare is horrible and time for Liberal aka Socialists to stop acting like Healthcare is some magical forcefield that protects you, it doesn't, all it is is a medical financial payment method and it is NOT access, universal coverage is not equal access, in fact when govt controls healthcare is leads to longer waiting times, longer lines, extreme rationing, poorer quality because of govt mismanagement and a lack of accountability at the federal level.
Just a note: We brits constantly complain about the NHS - but we love it to bits and would never want it to be gone. Just a hint here: Brits love to complain about everything :) We complain about the rain but we wouldn't want it to actually stop for good, would we?
I wouldn't look to the NHS in the UK for a good example of public funded healthcare. We have the lowest survival rates in Europe. Look to Norway instead, they're second only to the USA, #2/#3 in survival etc. I have no idea what Norway is doing we in the UK aren't but they need to let our country in on their secret, lol.
@psyche150yt The reason Norway's system is better than the NHS is they pump more money into it. There are eleven European nations with better life expectancy than the UK and at least 13 European countries with worse expectancy. Life expectancy in the US is in fact at 78.3 is lower than the UK's at 79.4 yrs interestingly the US system cost twice that of the average UHC in other developed countries.
@davijeph "There are eleven European nations with better life expectancy than the UK and at least 13 European countries with worse expectancy." I meant survival rates as in cancer survival rates and stuff, google 'uk survival rate lowest in europe' for the data. Also, yeah it seems Norway pumps more money into the system but the UK funds three times as much as Poland and has the same survival rates so there's gotta be other factors at play too. Maybe it's because Norway's population is so small?
@psyche150yt If you meant cancer rates you should have said cancer rates. "A new study has shown that Poland has the lowest cancer survival rate throughout the whole of Europe."
"Breast cancer mortality rates in the UK have fallen steeply in the last two decades - more than in any other major European country, according to a recent study. The NHS, cancer survival rates or not, is still a vastly superior too the US system bearing in mind money invested and ultimate outcomes.
@davijeph "A new study has shown that Poland has the lowest cancer survival rate throughout the whole of Europe." Yeah, the UK is at the very bottom along with Poland and USA is at the very top along with Norway. What's strange is how Norway is at the very top of the list and the UK is at the very bottom when they have the same healthcare architecture. I don't think it just has to do with money spent because the UK spend three times as much as Poland and have the same really low survival rates.
@psyche150yt The highest cancer survival rate are observed in Finland, Sweden, Norway and Iceland. Clue, Scandinavia The lowest corresponds to the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia. Clue ex communist states. Certainly the UK must improve cancer care and all the indicators are that it is. However in overall terms the UK's NHS is a superior system than the US. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
@psyche150yt A Prof Ian Kunkler, consultant in clinical oncology at the Western General in Edinburgh, warned against making direct comparisons with UK and eastern European countries. "One has to be very careful about the comparison with Eastern Europe as the amount of cancer registration data that we have from places like Poland and the Czech Republic is less than we have for the UK, where we have a virtually complete cancer registration."
I don't get why Americans complain about paying taxes for looking after people yet they have NO problem paying taxes for needless wars overseas that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of lives every year.
britain has the best form of democracy in the world, because it clearly works (or at least it used to do). 1945 labor government would not have happened in any other country, democratically.
I live in Britain, and let me tell you that this isn't true at all.
Sure, the NHS may be good if you sprain your ankle, but if you have a serious illness like leukemia, or breast cancer, or Huntington's, it is terrible.
The waiting lines in NHS hospitals are atrocious, to get a simple prescription someone can wait for up to 6 hours.
To get an operation, such as an important spinal procedure, someone can wait up to 8 months when in the USA the procedure could be done almost immediately!
@creationistsareidiot yes but that shows that the NHS is doing its job, the majority of people in the USA cant afford health insurance so how are they going to pay for an operation? this annoys me about people in this country, they expect everything to be immediate and say how America is instant and better yet they forget we have better life expectancy than America largely due to the NHS.
@creationistsareidiot You may have had a bad experience, but I know plenty of people with bad chronic disorders/serious conditions... and they've had wonderful treatment.
@Karateworm IIf you look on the homepage of "01Ubermensch" you will find he says his home country is Singapore (supposedly) and somewhere I believe says he is a student living in Liverpool. From other comments made he hates all things British including its transport system and the British people (big deal). Given the Nietzschen ego of the name he chooses too use I would just put him down as being typical read-all know-nothing student with a anti Brit chip on his shoulder. Regards
@creationistsareidiot - This argument is so immoral and brain dead. The next generation will look back on such statements and opinion with idiocy.
Don't you understand...
EVERYONE is entitled to free health care, just like we are entitled to a free police and fire service. Do you seriously believe that how much money you earn should determine if you recieve health care or not?
It is our moral obligation as civilised human beings to ensure that we ALL get health care.
About 10 years ago my mum and I went to E & A at York for my sprained wrist. After waiting 15mins there was a report on the radio of a multiple car pileup 5 to 6 miles away and by the time the report broadcasted, the ambulances were already leaving the scene bound for the very A & E I was waiting in. Dispite all the 1st class quick emergency treatment they got, I was still treated within 45mins by an extremely professional and friendly team.
I doubt the if occupants living under the tyranny of the Nazi robber barons death camps or the political prisoners of Pinochet's or Verwoerd's torture chambers were given the choice of instead living under given the tyranny of a British or French or German or Spanish or Italian or Australian or NewZealand or Japanese or Norwegian or Swedish or Danish or Irish or Canadian or Dutch or Belgian or America or even Singapore's democratic ,capitalist, socialist, liberal would choose the former
@01Ubermensch Indeed. The irony is that given you are a Singaporean you can only make your statement because of those evil socialist Brits created you in the first place.
@01Ubermensch How dare you dishonour a man that wished to remove evil from society with the best intentions, it wasn't his fault that individual greed & selfishness took over and destroyed it.
@offerp84 Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.
Be it Beveridge or Benn, all socialists are no more than parasitic thieves.
@01Ubermensch we have alot more freedoms in this country than most - Look at liberal America allowing to keep guns - they live in more fear than anyone ealse - you really want to live in a world like that? then piss-off I love my country
LOL @ 'There would be a revolution'. That made me laugh. There are few things that will get brits irate but NHS going under would indeed = a revolution. The recent protests we've had would not compare!
Michael Moore, wealthy obese anti-American peddler, lectures people on health care while stealing "free health-care" from socialist countries. The best is when he steals "free health-care" courtesy of the poverty ravaged nation of Cuba. What a hero LOL. What a joke, why isn't this guy in jail for stealing?
yes because you care about the poor. pro-life anti-abortion... you want those babies to be defended... until they are born, then they can fend for themselves, no health care for them!
@gratex ..and you don't want help given to a pregnant woman so that she has the choice to keep her baby, because if she can't afford the child then just have an abortion, right?
Dentists are the one thing that has since gone private this is because nowadays there is a lot of cosmetic aspects to it in 1948 it was just pulling teeth out plus less money back then meant less sugary junk food. The rest of the NHS is solid.
I think we should have a foriegn exchange for all the unknowing people of each country
Sending all the silly Brits to America to try out the health service there and show them how good the NHS actually is in comparrison and send all the unknowning scared Americas to Britain to try out the NHS. Americans I know if given the chance to try it would see what they're missing out on. No system I believe is perfect, but atleast we don't have to pay an arm and leg for what should be essential.
wee need more like tony benn in british goverment now days. wee are turning into america . this conservative selfish scumbag goverment is slowly turning the nhs into a private system. like america, where the ritch are ritch and the poor are dirt poor. revolution!
DanH8cam 4 days ago
@DanH8cam LOL your a joke comrade, we live in a post 1991 era.
MrGilles1990 3 days ago
I think the point most people miss about British health care is that there is a private health care system if you want it. You don't have to go NHS. The concept of the NHS is to provide basic, frontline and necessary medical services for all that's what it does. Millions of Britains have additional private health care on top. It's not perfect but at least no-one in Britain has to lose sleep at night wondering how they will ever pay their medical bills.
UlsterGroundhopper 5 days ago
doesn't* meh.
UnitedKingdomify 1 week ago
The Uk is the size of one state in America, I think the US could have a type of NHS but have it at the state level rather than at a federal level
I think America would be reluctant to go that route though as from what I understand, people make a lot of money out of the Health Insurance companies
eurosceptic1 1 week ago
The NHS is facing an onslaught. One from governments' pretending to "love" the NHS - whilst selling off increasingly large parts of it to their "chums".
But there's a greater threat and that is from inside the NHS. Society has changed. Since Thatcher many have become individualistic and that includes SOME who work in the NHS.
They don't want the NHS at heart - they want the "free market". This poses the greatest threat to NHS because these individuals withhold true commitment and service.
telemetry9 2 weeks ago
One of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA is the lack of tax-funded, universal, free healthcare for all, regardless of the ability to pay. Another one of the reasons why I never want to live in the USA is the Tea Bagging Party nutjobs who insist that free healthcare is "socialism" and therefore evil, and yet call themselves "Christian" but hold this view! Universal healthcare provision, social security benefits, social housing, etc, are Christian ethics.
markanthonyquested 3 weeks ago
@markanthonyquested Stealing money to give to another, is not Christian, it's theft. The UK has a terrible second world health system, Britain should have a system akin to Germany or France.
MrGilles1990 1 week ago
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almost 100% of the British public voice their support for the nhs it is worldwide considered by the British to be our greatest achievement. to those americans opposed to universal healthcare.. stay in your crappy american hellhole and don't come to Europe, your not wanted
jopeon1983 3 weeks ago
I broke my arm 4 years ago, some twat hit me with their car and drove off. Was in the hospital for 4 hours, arm in a cast, sorted. All free, no one can complain about that. Fantastic system, and it should never be taken away. A lot of Americans should take the words of Tony Benn, 'If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people' brilliant, mind changing words from a fantastic man who really wanted to help the people of his country.
caocao16 4 weeks ago
there isnt nothing wrong with the NHS.
rockyfries1 1 month ago
The NHS does not do a great job. The opinion of general-None you-tube blogging-British people is overwhelmingly negative of the whole system, certainly in practice. It is most certainly not a right and the single biggest tax burden on British people along with the benefit system. WE WOULD benefit from a more American system if you look at the facts but sadly 'fact' doesn't seem to be an intrinsic aspect of British politics anymore..............................RON PAUL 2012 (I'm from Salford btw)
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach "The NHS does not do a great job. The opinion of general-None you-tube blogging-British people is overwhelmingly negative of the whole system..."
Pulling that out of your ass much? An American survey of health care systems of Germany, France, Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia, UK, and the US. Ranked the NHS first for efficiency and second overall. The US was ranked last.
As to your question, "Why are you entitled?" We're entitled because we ALL pay national insurance. lol
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jopeon1983 3 weeks ago
@UnitedKingdomify Well said man. I'm fed up of these slanders and lies about our NHS. sure it's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than that american nonsense.
6112003 3 weeks ago
@6112003 But much worse than the French or German models.
MrGilles1990 1 week ago
@UnitedKingdomify Bollocks, The NHS is a failed 20th century model of healthcare, France and Germany have a much better system of healthcare.
MrGilles1990 1 week ago
@MrGilles1990 Erm, asserting things don't make them true. Go read up on it, pull your head out of your arse, then get back to me. The NHS came second to the health care system of the Netherlands in the study I was referring to. Rated on cost, service, time with GP... sorry but the NHS ranks higher than Germany and France.
UnitedKingdomify 1 week ago
@UnitedKingdomify Which study is that? According to the World health organisation France is ranked first and the UK18th.
MrGilles1990 1 week ago
@MrGilles1990 S'the Commonwealth Trust of the United States which updates every year for the past three/four years. Unlike the WHO it is an actual review of the standard of healthcare, to its cost (GDP), equity, quality and not a general view of health!
The WHO stats are worked out on life expectancy, birth mortality etc. It bases it results on the health of the country, but doesn't actually rate the systems of healthcare, nor take into account the lifestyle of the people.
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@MrGilles1990 I think it's common knowledge that the UK sports a binge-drinking culture that neither Germany or France has. More people smoke, and more people are obese. The list goes on. lol In fact I think the UK ranks on statistics of healthy lifestyles somewhere near the bottom in Europe. But this isn't a reflection of the quality of healthcare.
So as to your: "The NHS is a failed 20th century model of healthcare."
All I can say is *prove it*. You'll have a hard time proving it true. ( >.0)
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@MrGilles1990 By the way - the WHO stats are like twelve years-old. lol
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@UnitedKingdomify An easy time proving it. An overly bureaucratic system for a post war era. 12 years old? what you think the NHS would rate higher after the IT scandal and other monetary scandals? I think not. You are also getting healthcare systems and lifestyle choices mixed up.
MrGilles1990 6 days ago
@MrGilles1990 Assertions aren't proof, jackass. It's all right spouting sound bites about negative views of the NHS... but without facts you;re just talking shit. S'the same deal with most NHS critics.
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@UnitedKingdomify You are denying the IT-NHS scandal ever took place then?
And there is no need to go into Ad hominem just because you are losing an argument.
MrGilles1990 6 days ago
@MrGilles1990 lol, I'm waiting on facts. How can I be losing anything when you haven't said anything!
I fail to see how you've highlighted anything that rates the NHS as a poor healthcare system when it comes to, as I said, quality, efficiency, equity, personal service, cost... in which it rates higher than all but the system of the Netherlands.
All you've done is state that the French and German healthcare systems are better based on twelve year-old WHO statistics and.... oh wait, that is it!
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@UnitedKingdomify 12 year old statistics that are not likely change in the NHS's favour after the IT scandal or the amount of money and quality received ratio.
MrGilles1990 5 days ago
@MrGilles1990 I already highlighted the flaw in the WHO statistics compared to the Commonwealth Fund review. Totally different criteria. Any kind of "scandal" isn't a reflection of the services delivered, of the satisfaction of patients, of the overall cost of the service...
... in short. You got nothing. You just *think* the French and German systems are better based on little to no evidence, which is funny, but also kinda sad. I'm not out to change your mind. You can be wrong all you like.
UnitedKingdomify 5 days ago
@UnitedKingdomify I know the French and German system is better, because I have been there, first hand evidence.
MrGilles1990 5 days ago
@MrGilles1990 Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. Nice try... but *fail*.
UnitedKingdomify 5 days ago
@UnitedKingdomify I have the World medical association on my side, who have the NHS zealots with no evidence on yours.
MrGilles1990 3 days ago
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UnitedKingdomify 3 days ago
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@MrGilles1990 Er, yeah "the NHS zealots"... wow. o.O Move along psycho boy.
You've got nothing but assumptions, assertions, and no real reason to hold the position that you do, and no means to defend it. WMA doesn't promote anything but free and timely healhcare and doesn't hold stats beyond those provided by the WHO.
Seriously, jog on, idiot, just jog on.
UnitedKingdomify 3 days ago
@MrGilles1990 According to this criteria it rates worse than the German system in some areas, worse the New Zealand in some areas, but better in others. But overall, as universal/national health goes, the NHS is an excellent service and system.
Show me something that suggests the system is outmoded or outdated. Other than your opinion you haven't given anything.
You came at me with the "bollocks" ... I'm asking you to "prove it!" If you can't then... jog on. lol
UnitedKingdomify 6 days ago
@MrGilles1990 - I don't think you're getting it. The NHS is "HANDS OFF," M'kay? And always will be. Go and look up some statistics about the number of people it employs and the size of the population of the UK.
sibeliandrift 4 days ago
@sibeliandrift Ok then, keep worshiping your sacred cow.
MrGilles1990 3 days ago
@Trustmeimastomach Wow. . . you make me ashamed to be british.
manhunt48 1 month ago
why are americans so against a public healthcare system...? i tell you why, ignorance... the nhs is known as the best healthcare system in the world... and it's free to us all.... and you call that a bad thing?
slapmyfunkybass 1 month ago
The NHS is a damn God-send - google "Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham" - such a beautiful hospital - before you Americans make judgements and call us "commies" - check out our hospitals - we may not have marble floors but we can provide advanced healthcare to every British citizen.
GoVir4l 1 month ago
This makes me so proud to be British. The NHS is quite simply this country's proudest achievement.
BiloLCFC 1 month ago 2
People here in the UK are sometimes critical of the NHS and at times I am, but when I come to think of it compared to living in the USA in terms of health-care, I simply don't know how lucky I am. There has been so many occasions in my life where the free health-care system has benefited me, simple things such as getting my braces and getting stitches for my leg. The NHS was one of the best things that ever happened to the British people and don't know what we would be without it.
markbelfast94 1 month ago 2
@markbelfast94 Why do you think you are entitled to these things though?
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach although I see this has already been answered. I would like to add that this is probably the dumbest thing ive ever read of yt. NATIONAL INSURANCE you fucking cunt.
yearsley1234 4 weeks ago
Since when does BUPA run A&E departments?
davijeph 1 month ago
The NHS today only exists for the Children/unemployed/immigrants...if you earn a wage you still have to pay....
i myself pay for private Healthcare (BUPA).. costs more but your straight in/straight out...no waiting in A&E for 6 hours or months for a simple operation...
MegaPaul71 2 months ago
@MegaPaul71 Well as long as you're alright!
christhemountain 1 month ago
@MegaPaul71 There is NO A&E in BUPA clinics. BUPA is for people with , non-critical illnesses. Try asking BUPA to treat a child's leukaemia or put your wife in intensive care for a month after a car accident!
Idiot little bigot.
BobTheMunificent 1 month ago 2
I've lived in Canada, the UK and the USA, and I can certify that a single-payer system like in Canada is the best possible system for developed nations.
adi87tya 2 months ago 2
Tony Benn is a legend
TheIdiotBoxUK 3 months ago 21
nhs you've never let me down!
FirstBajaKid 3 months ago
fuck you nhs, you've always let me down!
parisianna87 3 months ago
I love Tony Benn
thelostlibertine 3 months ago
The NHS encourages malingerers. It is not free. You pay for it twice: once through taxation, and again by perscription charges. You cannot get to see a fully qualified doctor, and you are diagnosed by either a nurse or by a receptionist. You now are given a secret password to get a hospital appointment. If you forget your password, you don't get an appointment, and you are left to die.
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
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@tigranvartanovitch And what planet are you from?
davijeph 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch Really?! Where do you get your information? I work in the NHS and those ideas sound completely off the wall.
rithompson 3 months ago
@rithompson If you work in the NHS you would know about the secret passwords. The fact that you think that the passwords are "off the wall" means that you are a lying sack of shit. You do not work in the NHS. Go out and get a job.
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch OK, so you are obviously from the Planet Fuckwitt. Bet the people who know you call you Terry
davijeph 3 months ago
@davijeph Ach! Wieder ist er Oberstürmbanführer Schwuler, kommandant der berühmte Todeslager Leicester Royal Infirmary. Der alt Schmutzfink von einem anderen Stern.
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
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@tigranvartanovitch "Ach! Wieder ist er Oberstürmbanführer Schwuler, kommandant der berühmte Todeslager Leicester Royal Infirmary. Der alt Schmutzfink von einem anderen Stern. So I was right you are Terry Fuckwitt.
davijeph 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch Oh, I work in the NHS - shall I show you my staff ID badge? None of those things happen in NHS hospitals. Only a doctor or surgeon can diagnose a patient, and where did this "secret password" idea come from - it does not happen!
rithompson 3 months ago
@rithompson A relative who lives in England sent me the letter she was sent, saying that the whole thing was childish. If you really worked in the NHS you would know all this. That is how I know you are a liar. If you really do work in the NHS, why don't you get up off your arm and start cleaning Leicester Royal Infirmary b4 someone else gets MRSA and dies!
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch Hmm. Sounds like a Choose and Book thing, but that isn't the only way to see a consultant in the NHS - you can still get a referral from a GP/dentist - just gives patients a choice of appointment.
rithompson 3 months ago
@rithompson The document I saw was a referral froma GP. Another thing that those who tell Americans to have an NHS is that they have no idea what the problems are in USA. The tax system is different. You are forcing ordinary people to pay for the health care of useless eaters, drug addicts, drunks etc. Then there is health tourism. The Mexicans and the Canadians will be over the borders in droves. Boatloads of Carribeans, Russians, Filipinos, radioactive Japs from Fukushima. It just won't work.
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch Well, that doesn't happen in the NHS. You have to be living in the UK for more than 12 months to be eligible for treatment.
rithompson 3 months ago
@rithompson Are you telling us that if a foreigner gets off the plane and collapses with bubonic plague or a heart attack, that he is going to be left there to die? I don't think so. Are you sure you work in the NHS?
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago 2
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@tigranvartanovitch Terry Fuckwitt try to be consistent even if you a fuckwitt. " You cannot get to see a fully qualified doctor, You now are given a secret password to get a hospital appointment. If you forget your password, you don't get an appointment, and you are left to die." "Are you telling us that if a foreigner gets off the plane and collapses with bubonic plague or a heart attack, that he is going to be left there to die? I don't think so. Are you sure you work in the NHS?
davijeph 3 months ago
@tigranvartanovitch
He's not left to die but they are billed for their treatment.
1878EFC2008 1 month ago
@rithompson That's not true at all.
I know people who have come to live in the UK and they never had any restrictions.
The central ethos of the NHS is that it is "free at the point of use." Anyone can use it, whether they are a citizen, a resident, or even a tourist, wherever they are in the country, and nobody is excluded.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Not excluded, just made to wait 8 months until the preventable illness has manifested in their bodies to an irreversible degree. GOD SAVE OUR NOBLE NHS!!!! It really isn't all we British crack it up to be
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach You're talking utter shite, based largely, I suspect on ZERO experience of it. It's an enormous organisation, there are bound to be areas that are less effective but to spout some horseshit about how the US model is better is inaccurate and a fallacy. Having extensive, personal experience with my daughter's treatment within the NHS it's people like you who undermine it. As someone posted below, tossers like you make me feel ashamed to be British.
Jude2Mahoney 1 month ago
@Jude2Mahoney Wow where do i start with this reply. Firstly, using isolated incidents in a general argument is weak. My friends father needed his leg amputating-after being asked to come back and come again in one hospital he had to move to another where they immediately had to amputate a leg which easily could have been saved (their words). Secondly the NHS is the only health service i have had experience with. Thirdly, Nationalistic people like yourself are the most regressive for Britain
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach Wow, where I start with your reply. In YOUR previous post you talk about "the opinion of general None Youtube blogging... is negative" Total and UTTER BS. You have no evidence, no stats, just a bunch of Daily Fail headlines and you accuse MY argument of being? Yours isn't weak, because you don't have one! How the fuck do you know I'm nationalistic you cunt? I'm actually emigrating because there are too many unthinking pricks like you in the UK as it is.
Jude2Mahoney 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach Furthermore you dare call my daughter's health an isolated incident as though my own experience is less valid some stats you'd try and pull out of your arse? Man I'd love to fuckin' meet you in person. Also, you then use some weak fucking argument of your own, hypocrite much? Finally, it's idiots like you who think "American is best" that have no clue about life. Don't even fucking reply to any of this, you frankly haven't earnt the right.
Jude2Mahoney 1 month ago
@Jude2Mahoney Here I go replying........stay calm now! I'd happily meet you-il message you my phone number if you want. Why such anger? I wasn't disrespecting your daughter's health-I was highlighting that while you used that single incident to claim the NHS worked well, I had a single case where the opposite was true. Finally, your 'you make me ashamed to be British' comment is why I guessed you are nationalistic-your incredible anger is also systematic of it. And unfounded idea on "rights"
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach You highlighted a single incident where it didn't work. Meanwhile in the United States people fall into crippling debt, and in some instances lose their homes trying to cover health bills. Single mothers on low incomes with ill children are forced to work three jobs to cover health bills. 40,000+ Americans aren't covered and don't receive anything but basic care, and in most instances no care at all.
The NHS makes US health care look like shit. The thing you're full of! >.0
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@Trustmeimastomach Did I say 40,000+? 36,000,000 Americans don't have insurance. Can only expect the very base level of care, and are pretty much in the shit. If you compare the NHS to the American system on any level, it beats it. It is cheaper, more efficient, there is less wasted money, a greater standard of care, patients can expect more time with doctors/GPs.
If you're a Brit and you dislike the NHS. Go with BUPA. We have that choice here. Your arguments against the NHS are just plain bunk.
UnitedKingdomify 3 weeks ago
@tigranvartanovitch But at least when healthcare is needed it is not denied because it is more profitable for an insurance company to let you die.
balderdashandpiffle 3 months ago
@balderdashandpiffle Your statement is best answered with your handle.
tigranvartanovitch 3 months ago
The difference between seeing a bill and seeing a line: US vs UK
And just like the bills, the lines aren't small either.
bumshka21 4 months ago
Because the Government are just the angels we need to take care of all the money paid in taxes to take care of everyone's health needs. Right? Give me a break
JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed 4 months ago
@JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed Yeah and health insurance companies only interested in profits are angels who will take care of everyone. You should try socialised medicine, it's not as terrifying as you Americans think.
HufflepuffPrince 4 months ago
rolling stones - street fighter man is the song at the end in case anybody's wondering
JoshMufc101 4 months ago
in america do you have to pay to have a baby?????????
slothgoonies 4 months ago
The NHS provide healthcare to everyone, regardless of financial status, from the homeless on the streets to those living in mansions, it really doesn't matter, healthcare in the UK is a right, not a privilage. The government are seeking to destroy the NHS, cutting it's vital funding & budgets, America has no idea, and shouldn't comment on the NHS given the state of it's own healthcare system. One that lets you die if you can't pay.
thewr0ngchild 4 months ago 3
'If he'd said he was going to dismantle the National Health Service...'
'There'd have been a revolution, yes'.
Cameron and Clegg have proved Benn wrong then?
rebeccawinson 4 months ago
where's the revolution people? Because the Tories and the spineless Lib Dems are dismantling it right now...
thegoodcocklife 4 months ago
@thegoodcocklife There would've been a revolution back then, but unfortunately we've become more like Americans since then (thanks to the Tories). There's no communities anymore, just ppl looking after No. 1.
Bubo25 4 months ago
Long live the NHS, how fantastic it is
krazykeys88 4 months ago
Maybe I'm a fucking idiot. But what exactly is wrong in having free universal healthcare in the USA. The supposed leading western super power, land of the free, brave and such shite.
AntonyShimminlfc 4 months ago
@AntonyShimminlfc People here are very selfish and don't want to pay a few dollars a month for their countrymen.
jfkjrlover 4 months ago
@jfkjrlover I can't believe that to be the case, the majority of American's I've met are decent folk. A free health care system for all should be paramount for a western civilised society.
AntonyShimminlfc 4 months ago
@AntonyShimminlfc I agree but the haves don't want to sacrifice a little for the have-nots. We're fed a lot of propaganda here that capitalism is perfect and socialism is evil; we're told everyone should look out for themselves only, etc. If we had honest politicians who weren't owned by millionaires and billionaires who want to keep things as they are, the U.S. would be a lot better off.
jfkjrlover 4 months ago
@jfkjrlover No doubt about it. I don't know why those who want universial health care just don't come to Britain and film whats going on. For example ten miles down the road We're going to have a new hospital built which is costing about £1 Billion. I could use it the next day and not pay a single penny, cent, dollar, quarter or whatever. America needs a revolution
AntonyShimminlfc 4 months ago
guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/03/shirley-williams-nhs-reforms-turmoil
Fellow Brits, pleas do not let this happen.
killalmostwise 4 months ago
Thankgod for the NHS my daughter had open heart surgery when she was 6 and had great care, ive had two ops also...Dont let the Torys destroy it!! My gran worked as a nurse and i remember her saying how great it was when it started she was brought up without it...So proud of it!!!
oomoonbeam 4 months ago
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jamchip03 5 months ago
I have lived in three countries. I'm a native of Germany and lived in the US and the UK for a while. A universal health care is def the best system. Americans should come here and experience for themselves instead of listening to ignorants politicians over there.
receipt22 5 months ago
My NHS experience was superb. I was in St Georges for three days. After full recovery from my heart by-pass operation I resumed my business full time. I feel 10 years younger since the operation.
We should be really proud of our NHS, ensure it is properly funded and not allow greedy politicians to destroy it. The vote in Parliament on the changes to it is in 7 days.
Google 38 Degrees & join the fight to save the NHS.
2LisbonTreaty 5 months ago
My experience with the NHS is TERRIBLE, I´ve spent 18 days calling to get an appointment after my GP referred me to a specialist, 75% of the times nobody answered the phone, and the other 25% I got lame excuses ("the secretary is on holidays, call again next week", "we´ll send you the details through post", without results). I think NHS is, unfortunately, going down...I´ve been to some much poorer countries with a WAY better public, universal, free health care, such as Spain.
theswampland 5 months ago
@theswampland. The NHS at the moment is fantastic. Always fast quality treatment.
How it will be after five years of Conservative control, not sure.
meotaku2 4 months ago
@MrBloograss Your statement lost all its credibillity when i found out that it was quoted from the telegraph.
JKreviews 6 months ago
What i always found ironic is that when americans screech about socialised healthcare like they have in britain 'death panels etc ' . that if it were not for the loans their country gave our's after ww2 we would not have had been able to start the nhs ,, so thanks america .
MrStewart149 6 months ago
If you want decent healthcare. Leave the US. Easy as.
WhiteMan111093 6 months ago 22
@WhiteMan111093 I dont think theres anything wrong with the service provided. Its the cost and the social exclusion.
grimblebrumble17889 4 months ago
@WhiteMan111093 well I have great health care. If you cant afford health care then youre better off leaving the us. If you have a decent job then there's no doubt the quality of your health care is one of the best in the world. Ive spoken to a few people from Newcastle, liverpool and london and asked them what system they thought was better. They all told me the same thing. That if you can afford it then its much better in the united states.
AlphaMale593 3 months ago
@AlphaMale593 if u can afford it, private healthcare exists in the uk if u wanna pay for it
TheInsider3000 3 months ago 2
@TheInsider3000 I didnt know the UK had that. I mean if it was up to me I would choose universal. Im an advocate for it. I just hate how people watch this movie and see our health care as garbage. The quality is great, the way the system works is bull shit
AlphaMale593 3 months ago
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@AlphaMale593 Operative words "..if you can afford it.."
And fewer and fewer can afford it.
booley 2 months ago
@AlphaMale593 that's true, and I know that a lot of people who have very rare diseases go to the US for treatment, but there is still the big problem that a lot of people don't have access to healthcare.
nicoletje111 2 months ago
@AlphaMale593 lol if u can afford it. point is britian could have the greatest hospitals in the world but we would rather look after everybody.american system is heartless and making money off ill people its just wrong in so many ways
ruthio1 2 months ago 3
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And if you can't afford it your thrown onto the refuse pile and ignored until you die, right?
anonymoose84 1 month ago
@anonymoose84 Well if you walk into a hospital and your having a heat attack they have to take care of you by law. but basically yeah there really arent many alternatives. Im just saying the quality here is better. I would prefer universal healthcare because at one point I experienced what its like when my family didnt have health insurance. Its scary. I hate people that call it socialist and commuinist. Its fuckin stupid
AlphaMale593 1 month ago
@anonymoose84 Not true
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WhiteMan111093 6 months ago
@MrBloograss New life expectancy figures show Americans some way behind countries like Canada, the UK and Australia. Why? Living in the world's richest country comes at a price, and it's measured in life years. Men in the US are on average aged 75 when they die. That is 1.5 years younger than men in the UK and 3.5 years younger than men in Australia, says a new study.
davijeph 6 months ago
@MrBloograss Is there a reason you're repeating the same thing over and other on different videos?
As well as trying to link together two completely different things?
SummerHerald 7 months ago
That former politician is right. Getting rid of the NHS is probably one of the most dangerous things the government can do.
Bethster7 7 months ago
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"If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people" - Tony Benn.
TwentiethCenturyKid 7 months ago
The NHS does a great job.
Just be thankful you are not in America, home to the worst healthcare in the West. British doctor Stan Brock provides healthcare aid to over 200,000 Americans per year.. one small example of its third world healthcare.
Ali74 7 months ago 33
In Czech Rep. we have also our "NHS". It´s good-working system and it provides high-level care for free. It´s paid through taxes (similar to UK´s NIC). As I used to live also in USA (2yrs), Germany (2yrs) and UK (5yrs) I can compare. Germany has also it´s NHS and it provides top care in EU for free. The UK´s healthcare system works worse then Czech, for some medical investigations you wait quite long time, but Brits could be still proud of it as it cares about much more people then Czech´s.
strprsk 7 months ago
I'm British and the single best thing about this country is the NHS and I hate it when people who have never been to this country complain about the NHS. Nobody I have met is in favour of privatising the NHS.
nathfrancis01 7 months ago
ANDREW LANSLEYS integrity has been BOUGHT & PAID FOR by CARE UK !
Here's another voter calling for Lansley to be SACKED!
janebusby 8 months ago
My late uncle always banged on about how great the NHS is- calling it a “sacred institution” that the Tories must never be allowed to destroy.
Now it turns out that the pharmaceutical agency he ran had been ripping off the taxpayers for years- he colluded with corrupt Trust managers to vastly overcharge for medicines & equipment. He used the proceeds of this crime against the taxpayer to live like a Lord in a huge house in the country.
In therefore feel a bit cynical about our 'beloved' NHS.
SuperTruth77 8 months ago
@SuperTruth77 Feel cynical about your late corrupt uncle by all means and if they are real the corrupt Trust managers. How long ago did this happen? I for one have not read, seen or heard your story in the news. Did the police and authorities get on the case did your uncle serve a jail sentence? Who blew the whistle on him and his agency or the trust managers did they go to jail? Even if true (suspect it's not) I don't see how a few people in high places make the NHS corrupt.
davijeph 8 months ago
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England has around 51 million people, around 26% of that population waits over 18 weeks (5.5 months) for care. The U.S. has around 300+ million people and we still have shorter waits so universal coverage is NOT equal access this is according to the BBC, time for all you Socialist Liberal youth go travel, get off the internet... bbc.co.uk/news/health-12964360
dolphinsattack 8 months ago
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by a % of a Country's population more Brits and Canadians die in their Country waiting for care than Americans do. I notice most people who want Single Payer are young and healthy and too cheap to pay their health insurance and want to spend their money on high speed internet, cable tv and other things they don't need while they want to pass their medical bills off to tax payers. Health insurance is NOT expensive, our lifestyles are.
dolphinsattack 8 months ago
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Universal Healthcare is horrible and time for Liberal aka Socialists to stop acting like Healthcare is some magical forcefield that protects you, it doesn't, all it is is a medical financial payment method and it is NOT access, universal coverage is not equal access, in fact when govt controls healthcare is leads to longer waiting times, longer lines, extreme rationing, poorer quality because of govt mismanagement and a lack of accountability at the federal level.
dolphinsattack 8 months ago
Just a note: We brits constantly complain about the NHS - but we love it to bits and would never want it to be gone. Just a hint here: Brits love to complain about everything :) We complain about the rain but we wouldn't want it to actually stop for good, would we?
rabbitpi 8 months ago
I wouldn't look to the NHS in the UK for a good example of public funded healthcare. We have the lowest survival rates in Europe. Look to Norway instead, they're second only to the USA, #2/#3 in survival etc. I have no idea what Norway is doing we in the UK aren't but they need to let our country in on their secret, lol.
psyche150yt 8 months ago
@psyche150yt The reason Norway's system is better than the NHS is they pump more money into it. There are eleven European nations with better life expectancy than the UK and at least 13 European countries with worse expectancy. Life expectancy in the US is in fact at 78.3 is lower than the UK's at 79.4 yrs interestingly the US system cost twice that of the average UHC in other developed countries.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph "There are eleven European nations with better life expectancy than the UK and at least 13 European countries with worse expectancy." I meant survival rates as in cancer survival rates and stuff, google 'uk survival rate lowest in europe' for the data. Also, yeah it seems Norway pumps more money into the system but the UK funds three times as much as Poland and has the same survival rates so there's gotta be other factors at play too. Maybe it's because Norway's population is so small?
psyche150yt 8 months ago
@psyche150yt If you meant cancer rates you should have said cancer rates. "A new study has shown that Poland has the lowest cancer survival rate throughout the whole of Europe."
"Breast cancer mortality rates in the UK have fallen steeply in the last two decades - more than in any other major European country, according to a recent study. The NHS, cancer survival rates or not, is still a vastly superior too the US system bearing in mind money invested and ultimate outcomes.
davijeph 8 months ago
@davijeph "A new study has shown that Poland has the lowest cancer survival rate throughout the whole of Europe." Yeah, the UK is at the very bottom along with Poland and USA is at the very top along with Norway. What's strange is how Norway is at the very top of the list and the UK is at the very bottom when they have the same healthcare architecture. I don't think it just has to do with money spent because the UK spend three times as much as Poland and have the same really low survival rates.
psyche150yt 8 months ago
@psyche150yt The highest cancer survival rate are observed in Finland, Sweden, Norway and Iceland. Clue, Scandinavia The lowest corresponds to the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia. Clue ex communist states. Certainly the UK must improve cancer care and all the indicators are that it is. However in overall terms the UK's NHS is a superior system than the US. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”
davijeph 8 months ago
@psyche150yt A Prof Ian Kunkler, consultant in clinical oncology at the Western General in Edinburgh, warned against making direct comparisons with UK and eastern European countries. "One has to be very careful about the comparison with Eastern Europe as the amount of cancer registration data that we have from places like Poland and the Czech Republic is less than we have for the UK, where we have a virtually complete cancer registration."
davijeph 8 months ago
I don't get why Americans complain about paying taxes for looking after people yet they have NO problem paying taxes for needless wars overseas that cost trillions of dollars and thousands of lives every year.
InnuendoXP 8 months ago
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The NHS is the single most important issue to me.
IF THE TORIES & LIB DEMS PUSH THROUGH THESE PLANS I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR EITHER OF THEM EVER AGAIN.
No f*cking joke
janebusby 8 months ago
@janebusby I'm with you there mate.
It's a matter of principle: the NHS belongs to all of us; it should never belong to a private company. EVER.
BasilFawlty4444 7 months ago
britain has the best form of democracy in the world, because it clearly works (or at least it used to do). 1945 labor government would not have happened in any other country, democratically.
dmax631 9 months ago
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@dmax631 What are you rambling about?
atosafi1 8 months ago
I live in Britain, and let me tell you that this isn't true at all.
Sure, the NHS may be good if you sprain your ankle, but if you have a serious illness like leukemia, or breast cancer, or Huntington's, it is terrible.
The waiting lines in NHS hospitals are atrocious, to get a simple prescription someone can wait for up to 6 hours.
To get an operation, such as an important spinal procedure, someone can wait up to 8 months when in the USA the procedure could be done almost immediately!
creationistsareidiot 9 months ago
@creationistsareidiot beggars can't be choosers.
01Ubermensch 9 months ago
@creationistsareidiot yes but that shows that the NHS is doing its job, the majority of people in the USA cant afford health insurance so how are they going to pay for an operation? this annoys me about people in this country, they expect everything to be immediate and say how America is instant and better yet they forget we have better life expectancy than America largely due to the NHS.
Reverbful 9 months ago
@creationistsareidiot You may have had a bad experience, but I know plenty of people with bad chronic disorders/serious conditions... and they've had wonderful treatment.
Karateworm 9 months ago
@Karateworm IIf you look on the homepage of "01Ubermensch" you will find he says his home country is Singapore (supposedly) and somewhere I believe says he is a student living in Liverpool. From other comments made he hates all things British including its transport system and the British people (big deal). Given the Nietzschen ego of the name he chooses too use I would just put him down as being typical read-all know-nothing student with a anti Brit chip on his shoulder. Regards
davijeph 9 months ago
@creationistsareidiot - This argument is so immoral and brain dead. The next generation will look back on such statements and opinion with idiocy.
Don't you understand...
EVERYONE is entitled to free health care, just like we are entitled to a free police and fire service. Do you seriously believe that how much money you earn should determine if you recieve health care or not?
It is our moral obligation as civilised human beings to ensure that we ALL get health care.
TomHartill 9 months ago 4
About 10 years ago my mum and I went to E & A at York for my sprained wrist. After waiting 15mins there was a report on the radio of a multiple car pileup 5 to 6 miles away and by the time the report broadcasted, the ambulances were already leaving the scene bound for the very A & E I was waiting in. Dispite all the 1st class quick emergency treatment they got, I was still treated within 45mins by an extremely professional and friendly team.
ssssroryssss2 9 months ago
Mike Moore would not last a second in a communist society.
unseenxxx 9 months ago
I doubt the if occupants living under the tyranny of the Nazi robber barons death camps or the political prisoners of Pinochet's or Verwoerd's torture chambers were given the choice of instead living under given the tyranny of a British or French or German or Spanish or Italian or Australian or NewZealand or Japanese or Norwegian or Swedish or Danish or Irish or Canadian or Dutch or Belgian or America or even Singapore's democratic ,capitalist, socialist, liberal would choose the former
davijeph 9 months ago
Somewhere in heaven, Bevan is crying his f@1king eyes out! Hands off Call Me Dave ! Tony Benn, you introduced me to socialism, for that I thank you.
MrLuckyyellowsocks 9 months ago
Us Brits are clearly evil socialists, lol.
offerp84 10 months ago
@offerp84 Indeed. The irony is that there's no irony in that statement of yours.
01Ubermensch 10 months ago
@01Ubermensch Indeed. The irony is that given you are a Singaporean you can only make your statement because of those evil socialist Brits created you in the first place.
davijeph 9 months ago
@davijeph Are you suggesting that the founder of Singapore, Sir Stamford Raffles, was a socialist?
01Ubermensch 9 months ago
@01Ubermensch No I'm suggesting you are as fucking idiot.
davijeph 9 months ago
@01Ubermensch what you talking about? I don't think you can call Beveridge a Stalin, lol
offerp84 9 months ago
@offerp84 You don't always need to throw people into gulags to qualify as an evil, parasitic, thieving socialist.
01Ubermensch 9 months ago
@01Ubermensch How dare you dishonour a man that wished to remove evil from society with the best intentions, it wasn't his fault that individual greed & selfishness took over and destroyed it.
offerp84 9 months ago
@offerp84 Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.
Be it Beveridge or Benn, all socialists are no more than parasitic thieves.
01Ubermensch 9 months ago
@01Ubermensch we have alot more freedoms in this country than most - Look at liberal America allowing to keep guns - they live in more fear than anyone ealse - you really want to live in a world like that? then piss-off I love my country
offerp84 9 months ago
@offerp84 Brits are allowed guns too remember. Just more tight restrictions. There isn't an outright ban
Redcarpet01 9 months ago
LOL @ 'There would be a revolution'. That made me laugh. There are few things that will get brits irate but NHS going under would indeed = a revolution. The recent protests we've had would not compare!
suieful 10 months ago
Michael Moore, wealthy obese anti-American peddler, lectures people on health care while stealing "free health-care" from socialist countries. The best is when he steals "free health-care" courtesy of the poverty ravaged nation of Cuba. What a hero LOL. What a joke, why isn't this guy in jail for stealing?
BlackRepublican2010 10 months ago
@BlackRepublican2010
yes because you care about the poor. pro-life anti-abortion... you want those babies to be defended... until they are born, then they can fend for themselves, no health care for them!
gratex 10 months ago
@gratex ..and you don't want help given to a pregnant woman so that she has the choice to keep her baby, because if she can't afford the child then just have an abortion, right?
crystalmethod1000 9 months ago
Dentists are the one thing that has since gone private this is because nowadays there is a lot of cosmetic aspects to it in 1948 it was just pulling teeth out plus less money back then meant less sugary junk food. The rest of the NHS is solid.
sanacore2011 10 months ago
Now the tories are going to privatize the NHS, don't let them do this...
Go out and march and tell the rich and powerful to stick it up their greedy asses.
atosafi1 10 months ago
@atosafi1 NHS executives are already greedy fucks, always have been.
elegraph. co. uk/health/healthnews/7871435/More-than-300-NHS-executives-have-a-larger-salary-than-the-prime-minister. html
crystalmethod1000 9 months ago
As for us Brits, we don't know how bloody lucky we are sometimes.
HolyEmperorTigger 11 months ago 6
I think we should have a foriegn exchange for all the unknowing people of each country
Sending all the silly Brits to America to try out the health service there and show them how good the NHS actually is in comparrison and send all the unknowning scared Americas to Britain to try out the NHS. Americans I know if given the chance to try it would see what they're missing out on. No system I believe is perfect, but atleast we don't have to pay an arm and leg for what should be essential.
HolyEmperorTigger 11 months ago