all of those moves it the same with Micheal my ass Micheal didn't have nearly the ball handling skill of Kobe. oh and just to remind your hating ass Kobe sir passed Micheal in All Star and is going to break his scoring title and is going to win at least 2 more rings. Oh and just to top it off with a cheer on top Kobe has never left the game that love! while Micheal hold a press conference and says his lost the modification to prove himself as a basketball player what a waste of talent! KOBE!
@24kobelebron As much as I can't stand Kobe-haters and bashers, as well, let them vent their grudges and hostility. Why? The MORE negative comments I see and read, the MORE I LOVE Kobe!
Why do you guys think Jordan shot 497% FG and Kobe 454% FG Kobe shot almost 1000 more three pointers in the same amount of games. FG= All shots taken except for free throws and includes three pointers. Kobe shot 337% from three and Jordan 327% if jordan were to be a shooting like Kobe does his total FG % would be significantly lower. Not hating on Jordan just saying the truth and showing FG% don't show how good you were and that kobe is the greatest shooter ever.
Michael Jordan best slasher ever, Ray Allen best spot up shooter ever, Kobe best shooter ever to play the game. Why? Ray allen is the best shooter and can shoot a lot of threes but he shoots most of them uncontested thus spot up. Michael best slasher not called his airness for nothing amazing moves to the hole. Kobe Bryant the ability to shoot from anywhere over anyone at any time. People say mj was a better shooter. But kobe has shot 1000 more three pointers in same amount of games.
As i child i idolized kobe, and when he retires, we're all gonna miss him. We were spoiled of how great he was and we expect him to be every night in and night out. and When he has a bad game, thats when the haters come in. But you can't deny that this man, was one of the best to ever did it. We can't ever take that away from him, he made basketball his life and that's why hes the player he is today.
@Jeranieee In my opinion, if not having Phil Jackson coach the Lakers anymore isn't bad enough, what WILL the NBA be like WITHOUT Kobe?! In my opinion, the Lakers might not make this year's finals, but, I'm certain Kobe is gonna play (every regular season game) like its his LAST!
don´t forget King James, the league have never seen a player like him. he is the most complete player of all time, the only problem is that he never knows what he does...
@Lofaszbandy nah man, I'm talking about the style and moves. Bryant and Jordan are smooth, like water you could say. Don't get me wrong, Lebron is a phenomenal player but he doesn't have these smooth, fine moves. He's much more muscular and harsh if you know what I mean.
@Lofaszbandy I was just being immature with that comment because you also said something out of the obvious. As a Laker fan kobe is a ball hog but an amazing one. So there's really no need to say he ball hogs.
i never said i don´t like kobe i just said he is a ball hog, and after what u wrote i think we agree. so there´s really no need to comment on my comment.
@psychomajoreflex@psychomajoreflex dude i don't wanna start arguing about that but i just had to comment how stupid you are, that statement is way inappropriate when you say "anything MJ can do kobe cannot", you saying anything MJ can do such as getting a free throw(simplest example) kobe can not do? you so stupid think over what you say before you write it, there's some things MJ can do kobe can't do and vice versa, and I bet you can't even name one thing kobe can't do, smh get off MJ's dick
@MultiBlackjack24 dude, can you chill here and not be a profane ass dick whining here? i'm not talking about anything about a silly FT or anything you throw out. i'm just giving you heads up! kobe's perfect? are you kidding me? 45% shooting, 3 TO's per game? 83% FT? tell me hows that perfect
@hkchrisnz hey blame the moron that stated "kobe's like perfect in everything, is there anything kobe can't do?". he sounded like an idiot. i love kobe too, just not prolific stupidity. KOBE CAN'T FLY, HE CAN'T LIVE FOREVER.
@MrTheTruthOnly "Frightening"? Why would I be frightened by a younger player patterning the bulk of his game after an older player, especially when that older player is the consensus Greatest Of All Time? Frightening? Maybe that's not the word you wanted. I'm neither frightened nor disturbed by it, thank you very much.
@rambojrv Well actually kobe does pass the ball and averages 5 assists a game although he is a "shooting" guard so please be more informed when u want to make a comment about someone
Beautiful and skillful, i hope all LA haters/Kobe haters/ Lebron lovers watch this, most of his shots were guarded by TOP defender, batterier, bowen, Tony allen, posey, JR smith, KG, D wade etc, and of cos he shot over LBJ anyday
i LOVE how this wasn't a "all dunks" highlight reel...jumpshots,turn-arounds,post moves, jab steps, cross overs, spliting defenders, basline lay-ups....these are the TRUE reason i love to see kobe play
Not even Mj have these kind of footwork? You can't be fucking serious right? Obviously you have never watched MJ play, god I hate misinformed kids like you making comments on subjects you know absolutely nothing about, MJ is the king of footwork for shooting guards
@Hawkhunter07 Look, we've all agreed that MJ is the G.O.A.T., but get off his nuts. Kobe has better footwork, a more varied post game (thanks to Dream), a better handle and more range on his J. MJ destroys Kobe in the strength, speed and athleticism departments, had a better grasp of the moment (eventually), and is a better winner at every level.
See this is why I think you fucking kids are dumb, you are stupid enough to actually say Kobe has better post game and better handles. You mention the J, but you neglect the fact that although Kobe has more range, MJ is the best mid-range guard in history, if he can slash and have mastered the mid-range game and average 30+ and 50%, there was no need to extend to the 3 point land, saying Kobe has better footwork and post game shows you've never watched MJ before
@Hawkhunter07 LOL. Your posturing as the sage elder statesman with perspective through history is quaint, especially when you exhibit the very same myopia you accuse others of. After all, wasn't MJ just a repackaged version of David "Skywalker" Thompson? Wasn't the Skywalk just Dr. J's dunk with a dribble? It'd be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.
Your retort to the fact that Kobe has greater range is to claim MJ "didn't need the range"? Hilarious! I guess MJ didn't need the handle either. LOL.
Look at the examples you brought up, just dunks! Now compare objectively the similarity between MJ and Kobe, it's like Kobe intentionally copies MJ (which Phil Jackson admitted), we're talking about post moves, fadeaways, footwork and everything, now that's more pathetic
@Hawkhunter07 Yes, Kobe copies MJ. He also copies Hakeem, Magic, Mike D'Antoni (that's why he picked the number 8 coming into the NBA - it was D'Antoni's jersey number in Italy) and more. So what?
The thing is, sometimes the successor supersedes the originator. MJ was greater than Skywalker ever was. Kobe is not greater than MJ, but at certain aspects of the game he's better skilled. Why does that threaten you so much? :-P
@oluseyidotinfo uhhh...no he did not copy hakeem, magic, and d'Antoni...wtf is that all about? he acquired the 8 jersey because he simply wore 143 at an adidas bball camp, all you do is add up those numbers 1 4 and 3
@psychomajoreflex Yeah... No. D'Antoni was his favorite player in the Italian League as a kid, where his dad was Mike's teammate. D'Antoni wore 8, he wears 8. Look it up some time. You think a player like Kobe is going to pick his jersey number for a reason as random as an Adidas basketball camp? LOL.
There's nothing wrong in copying. Copy and improve. Kobe has made a deliberate move of copying from the best. Why does that bother you so?
@oluseyidotinfo bother what? this is not beating down on kobe? because it IS what it is! you and I know that is a fact! you cannot speculate whether or not he does this/that can you? what is your point? to validate your argument, you have to look at kobe as a DIFFERENT player, so is lebron, wade, durant, magic, bird, etc.
@psychomajoreflex You've lost me. I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
My thesis: Kobe Bryant is a great player, and in some aspects of the game superior to MJ. MJ is still a greater player than Kobe Bryant, overall. This should not bother anyone - i.e., nobody should feel threatened/agitated/infuriated/etc that Kobe might possess superior skill in any one or two aspects of the game.
@oluseyidotinfo how does 'this' bother anyone? all i am saying is that kobe copying MJ is kobe copying MJ! that's true isn't it? kobe is a great player, but not in MJ's level. if you are talking skills, i'd say kobe is a better tough shotmaker than MJ, and a better three-point shot creator, but with some volatile circumstances. kobe does have a legitimately 'better' FT% but 83.1% for MJ and 83.8% for kobe does not make a legitimate comparison when you are talking players
Funny you talk about handles because Kobe has more turnovers than MJ playing the same amount of years as MJ, that's why I was puzzled when you think he has better handles, what a fucking joke
@Hawkhunter07 In statistics, conditioning is critical, otherwise you end up comparing completely different things. Kobe has more turnovers than MJ over the same number of years, but does that indicate the same number of possessions with primary/significant ball-handling responsibility? Does that indicate the same percentage of team possessions? There's a reason the saying goes "...Lies, Damned lies and Statistics!"
@Hawkhunter07 Handle is not just about the ability to avoid turnovers in any given situation. (Besides, were those turnovers on passes, blocked shots, strips while not even dribbling?) We're looking at an isolated skill, in terms of the ability to maintain dribble in the open court as well as the trap despite pressure from multiple defenders, and the ability to get by defenders without picking up. That's it. By those criteria Kobe has a superior handle, but MJ (as always) made better use of his.
@oluseyidotinfo the reason all of those dribbling is because kobe needed it especially to get past one defender. he takes a lot of crossovers, dribbling at least 10+ times just to get to his high % spot which is inside the paint. the goal to succeed in that department is to obviously use a whole amount of skill so that you use VERY MINIMAL DRIBBLES as possible to get to there. kobe is not skilled in doing that, hence the 'ball handles' are proof of his struggles in penetration
@psychomajoreflex Except the Triangle Offense isn't predicated on penetration, so what's your retroactive analysis for that? How often was Kobe a primary trigger on the transition offense versus serving simply as the finisher, in comparison to MJ?
Statistics require constraints to be valid for comparison, otherwise you're looking at very different things and arguing they're the same.
@oluseyidotinfo kobe is the primary trigger on the offense in 90% of when he brings the ball past the halfcourt, and the dribbles set at least 10 before he starts making a basket or a confined play in the paint. MJ was not advised to follow this kind of offense, like I said, MJ takes very MINIMAL dribbles to the bucket and/or make a play. triangle offense allows kobe to penetrate to the basket as well as MJ, so both have the same agenda, but if youre talking different skillset...
@psychomajoreflex So on the one hand, Kobe dribbles a lot because of the offense, demonstrating superior ball-handling ability in comparison to MJ, but on the other hand MJ didn't trigger the offense or bring the ball up, thus not needing to dribble as much. So how can we say, either way, that one has a better handle than the other?
Perhaps MJ has a superior handle, but he never demonstrated it. Going off the data we have - game tape - Kobe demonstrated better handle in game. Advantage Kobe.
@oluseyidotinfo That is the goal, both kobe and MJ figure out ways to bypass defenses to get to the spot they want, MJ has mastered the art of breaking defense(s) so that the defense(s) dont load up on him, kobe has yet to do so. the only way kobe could demonstrate a ball handle is if he relies on the dribble to penetrate. in the game, he does many crossovers, yet it takes him 3 times to get past the defender. the goal in basketball is put the ball through the hoop, not dribbling
@psychomajoreflex Let's keep in mind, to conclusively resolve any of these questions, we'd need to synthesize both men at their physical and skill peaks and then run them through drills to determine comparative superiority. That obviously can never happen, so we're left with conjecture and hypothesis.
In the end I don't argue that MJ isn't better than Kobe. I just weary of people who lose their shit at the very IDEA that Kobe might be better at any one ASPECT of the game.
@Hawkhunter07 I just schooled your fellow ignoramus on the importance of conditioning in statistical comparison, so I won't reiterate it for you. Please do the world a favor and learn the very basics of statistics before trotting them out in an argument.
@Hawkhunter07 you guys all know any nba guard today has better than handles than 80 percent of the players in the era of jordan and magic. Moves were being invented because of street ball players ex. AI if you watch video of todays players and the old school players you will see that todays players have superior handles,
ROFL! the reason I gave that retort was because dumbass Kobe fans are always saying MJ didn't have the range, how exactly are you fking sure? MJ's slashing and mid-range game was so dominant he barely had to shoot those off-balanced long-range shots that Kobe likes to take, but when MJ did take them, he made them consistently, seriously if I ask you to prove that MJ didn't have the range, how are you going to prove it to me? You do know his 3pt % is a bit below Kobe's?
@Hawkhunter07 It's not just about being able to shoot the 3. It's about the distance from which the shot has a legitimately high expectation of being a make. There are NBA players with 30-foot range or more, despite the 3-pt line being 25 feet away at its furthest. MJ can shoot the 3. Kobe can shoot it better, and from further.
@Hawkhunter07 Incidentally, the argument that MJ didn't shoot it because he didn't "need to" is too pat to be taken seriously. Players tend to tailor their game to their advantages. If MJ was a deadeye 3-point shooter, he'd have shot it more often and used the threat of shooting it to open up even more driving lanes. Would a defender really sag even 2 feet off of an MJ who shoots 45% from 3?
It's no disrespect to Mike to observe that Kobe has greater range.
@Hawkhunter07 Here's the bottom line: this isn't about who is the better player overall (Jordan, duh) or who was more efficient/effective (Jordan, double-duh). This is about specific skill sets in isolation, not the blending of them into an aggregate offensive arsenal. You lack the insight and the objectivity to even participate in this conversation. Outclassed, you resort to playground taunts, then try to come off as "mature." Ha!
You're talking about specific skill sets in isolation and using invalid reasoning as your justification for why Kobe is better at certain areas than MJ, which is why I disagree with you.
You're saying Kobe has better handles, yet he has more turnovers than MJ, even if you throw turnovers aside, how do you know that Kobe has better handles when MJ rarely had to rely on excessive dribbling techniques when he had a lightning first step?
We evaluate players based on the evidence before us - not just statistics, which often leave out contextual conditioners, but game tape. The evidence before us is that MJ never broke defenders down just off his dribble, but rather relied on that lightning first step to get by them and cause chaos around the bucket. It takes nothing away from MJ to accept that Kobe has a better handle, because MJ still used his skills to better effect.
I'm not going to say MJ has better handles, but to say Kobe has better handles even though MJ rarely had to rely on excessive dribbling techniques makes your reasoning invalid, and sorry, saying "outclassed" does not actually mean you actually did.
@Hawkhunter07 PS: I didn't say Kobe has a "better post game." At least read what you're overreacting to, LOL. I said Kobe has a more VARIED post game, thanks to the summer he spent learning from Hakeem (you know, The Dream?). The most varied post game of all-time is probably McHale's, followed by Dream. Jordan had a more EFFECTIVE post game due to superior size, athleticism and game sense, but Kobe has more moves. Period.
Do yourself a favor and learn more about both basketball and English. :-P
LMFAO @ you didn't say Kobe has a better post game, when you say something like "Kobe has a more varied post game" it has a positive connotation to it and people automatically assume that you're saying Kobe has a better post game than Jordan, don't be acting all fucking technical here you dumb fuck! LOL
Show me some post moves that Kobe does on a regular basis that Jordan never did before since you're saying he has more moves, try and prove me wrong please.
@Hawkhunter07 No, people don't assume that. Well, people who aren't stupid don't assume that. :-)
Some of us are extremely precise in the ways we phrase things. Words have meanings, and we use them to the fullest possible effect. Some of you don't pay attention to the meanings of words, and instead interpret everything through an emotional fog that robs the words of their original intent. If I wanted to say Kobe had a better post game than MJ, I'd say, "Kobe has a better post game than MJ."
@Hawkhunter07 As for post moves that Kobe does on a regular basis that MJ NEVER did, that's an absurd premise. MJ's career overlapped McHale's and Olajuwon's; he probably did a move of theirs at least once. However, look at how Kobe has mastered the use of pump fakes and pivots to get lean-in short jumpers and up-and-unders off in recent years. MJ used head and ball fakes to relocate the defender and spin away for jumpers, often fade-aways.
This argument isn't about ability, but about TENDENCY.
@Hawkhunter07 Because Kobe more frequently incorporates a wider range of moves into his post game, he gains an increased advantage against a defender who is less able to guess which move he'll employ. That doesn't mean he's more effective in the post, however; everyone knew Stockton and Malone were going to run the pick-and-roll, yet nobody could stop it for 18 years!
MJ relied on a narrower set of moves in the post, but NOBODY could stop them. That's all that's being said here.
@oluseyidotinfo most of kobe's shots are 5+ dribbles on one defense, run the shot clock to near zero, pivot right, left, punp fake, step through and then pump several times before heaving a 24-30 ft jumper, which he does this on a regular basis. here's the deal with kobe's footwork, his lateral quickness is too low to be able to juke the defender within a second, therefore 80% of kobe's moves the defender rarely reacts to his fakes. you better take a good look at his post moves
@psychomajoreflex the reason MJ relied on a narrower set of moves is because he has somethings that kobe does not have: lateral quickness (the ability to revolve body-to-foot about 90+ degrees based on defender's size), explosive speed, strength (MJ was strong and bulky that kobe). chances are if kobe can take 4 spin moves chances are MJ only needs about 1 spin move, if kobe can use 3 pivot moves to MJ's 1, kobe's 3 crossovers to MJ's 1, kobe's 3+ post-work to MJ's 1 and so on
@psychomajoreflex Another possible reason is because MJ's opponents feared him in a way that Kobe's didn't and don't. Nobody would ever dare call himself "Jordan Stopper" the way Ruben Patterson dubbed himself "Kobe Stopper." MJ destroyed Drexler so completely just because the media - not Drexler himself - acted as if the two would cancel each other out in the '91 Finals!
MJ had superior physical gifts AND extracted more out of them than any player we've ever seen. Kobe's just the closest copy.
@oluseyidotinfo Yes but MJ did destroy drexler, just by the way he easily glides through the defense of Drexler, especially with Pippen's offscreens, but MJ knew how to set himself up for that situation. Yet the media portrays MJ = Drexler since they would 'cancel' each other out, not that MJ 'destroy' him. I don't really think that kobe has really 'mastered' his footwork, since he would require a lot of dribbling and hard-grinding posting to really nudge the def before he reacts
@psychomajoreflex MJ uses his superior gifts to the fullest extent during his rookie/prime years. hence better FG%, higher PPG average, higher assist average, more pursuant for the ball. If he played in today's era where the center/PF are more subdued in dominance, he'd average more reb. blocks, and steals. After his 1st retirement he is less athletic, but still use teammates to create opportunities for himself as well as his teammates. he does this at a better level than kobe
@psychomajoreflex Eh. I think you're comparing Kobe of 2011 to your peak memory of MJ. Young Kobe used to juke defenders out of their socks.
Also keep in mind that Kobe often gets the ball late in the shot clock, because of the tendency for his Laker teammates to think "Kobe can bail us out with a miracle shot" - and it's been that way for about a decade now. Certainly since '03.
@oluseyidotinfo this type of '2011' kobe is prevalent since 2006. Young kobe (2001-2005) is a lot better than kobe post-2006 because he did used to juke defenders better, but not as effective and not as potent as MJ's. Understand that young kobe is still not laterally quick and he does not have MJ's potent step. MJ uses his quickness mixed with lateral footwork to glide through defense/create shots. a lot of times kobe's ftwrk is what causes him to take toughies instead of easies
@psychomajoreflex you've probably seen kobe take more tough shots and fadeaways than anybody in the league, and he is the best in doing that. situations where defense loads up on him then he score the wild 24+ footer. you've seen kobe fans claiming he is GOAT because of that. he does that in a higher volume than anyone else in the league. in shot clock situations, he is either a make or miss shots because of that. most of his GW/buzzer beaters have been misses instead of makes
@psychomajoreflex from what I've learn in basketball is that no matter the situation you DO NOT bail your team out with only a miracle shot like you addressed with kobe. you make better plays, and MJ makes better plays down the stretch than kobe. there are plenty of ways to break down defenses other than taking wild shots. hence MJ is 32-58 in GW compared to 37-117 in GW for kobe
@Hawkhunter07 LOL oluseyidotinfo ripped you up with this kobe/jordan skills arguement haha. you have facts but you dont back up your claim lol your making yourself look dumb as hell. stop riding MJ dick SMH
People are jizzing over Kobe's footwork, everything Kobe has done I've seen Jordan do it before, more accurately and more frequently, it's like kids these days can't respect history because everything at this very moment must be the best thing ever, some old school basketball fans like me aren't impressed because we've seen these shit before, and I have no problem with it but when kids like you talk stupid shit like Kobe has a more varied post game, we have a problem
@Hawkhunter07 the reason MJ relied on a narrower set of moves is because he has somethings that kobe does not have: lateral quickness (the ability to revolve body-to-foot about 90+ degrees based on defender's size), explosive speed, strength (MJ was strong and bulky that kobe). chances are if kobe can take 4 spin moves chances are MJ only needs about 1 spin move, if kobe can use 3 pivot moves to MJ's 1, kobe's 3 crossovers to MJ's 1, kobe's 3+ post-work to MJ's 1 and so on
@Hawkhunter07 most of kobe's shots are 5+ dribbles on one defense, run the shot clock to near zero, pivot right, left, punp fake, step through and then pump several times before heaving a 24-30 ft jumper, which he does this on a regular basis. here's the deal with kobe's footwork, his lateral quickness is too low to be able to juke the defender within a second, therefore 80% of kobe's moves the defender rarely reacts to his fakes. you better take a good look at his post moves
@Hawkhunter07 kobe shoots less efficiently than MJ because his skill set is not polished and as well-defined as MJ's, for his lack of strength, speed, the lateral quickness (hence the "useless" footwork), and the slower reaction, are the main reasons why kobe is known as the 'tough shotmaker'. i use that term loosely since kobe is primarily a 'shotjacker' as he is unable to create a shot or make a play efficiently as MJ does. thus lower FG, scoring avg, many turnovers, less assists
MJ was the best post-up player in the NBA (even Phil Jackson said so), I can't really say Kobe is the best post up player in the NBA right now when his post-game has been so inconsistent compared to MJ
Moves like 1:52, do you know how many more times MJ has done that than Kobe? I guarantee you MJ does that more than Kobe because I can almost pull up a random 96-98 game and show you it, just ask for it
oscar nominee worthy
LAjumpshot24 2 days ago
all of those moves it the same with Micheal my ass Micheal didn't have nearly the ball handling skill of Kobe. oh and just to remind your hating ass Kobe sir passed Micheal in All Star and is going to break his scoring title and is going to win at least 2 more rings. Oh and just to top it off with a cheer on top Kobe has never left the game that love! while Micheal hold a press conference and says his lost the modification to prove himself as a basketball player what a waste of talent! KOBE!
tito421788 2 days ago
good music for a good video!!
ken0746 4 days ago
Lol.. that music.... Coming this summer: Kobe Bryant in... Braveheart/Legends of the Fall/other 90s drama.
FenderSunset 1 week ago
he loves M.J awwwwww!!
lalakingmarupok 1 week ago
O my Goodness all of his moves its the same with michael jordan
katherine231216 1 week ago
To those Kobe haters why would you fucking click on this video just to hate?
24kobelebron 2 weeks ago
@24kobelebron As much as I can't stand Kobe-haters and bashers, as well, let them vent their grudges and hostility. Why? The MORE negative comments I see and read, the MORE I LOVE Kobe!
AngelofAnguish 1 week ago
@24kobelebron Same thing i said about Kobe fans going on Lebron videos.
FlashDwade18 4 days ago
Kobe forced a shot.
PrimalTheArtist 2 weeks ago
Poetry in Motion.
legoland626 2 weeks ago
This man deserves far more than 1 MVP
TRasheed94 2 weeks ago
SO EVEN IF U DONT COUNT KOBES THREES AND MJ SCORED ALOT DUNKS FOR THOSE WHO THINK HIS FG IS GOOD FROM DUNKS ---------- HE SMASHES KOBE IN FG%
Amjbmcg 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
MJ FG WITHOUT 3PFG AND DUNKS = 45% ---------- MJ BULLS 45.5% ----------
KOBE FG WITHOUT 3PFG AND DUNKS = 40.1% --------------
THERES SOME FUCKING FACTS FOR YOU -----------
MICHAEL JORDAN GREATEST MID RANGE GAME SHOOTER EVER -------- RAY ALLEN GREATEST 3 POINT SHOOTER EVER --------
LARRY BIRD GREATEST SHOOTER EVER !!!!!
Amjbmcg 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Why do you guys think Jordan shot 497% FG and Kobe 454% FG Kobe shot almost 1000 more three pointers in the same amount of games. FG= All shots taken except for free throws and includes three pointers. Kobe shot 337% from three and Jordan 327% if jordan were to be a shooting like Kobe does his total FG % would be significantly lower. Not hating on Jordan just saying the truth and showing FG% don't show how good you were and that kobe is the greatest shooter ever.
Mannyfrom213 3 weeks ago 2
Michael Jordan best slasher ever, Ray Allen best spot up shooter ever, Kobe best shooter ever to play the game. Why? Ray allen is the best shooter and can shoot a lot of threes but he shoots most of them uncontested thus spot up. Michael best slasher not called his airness for nothing amazing moves to the hole. Kobe Bryant the ability to shoot from anywhere over anyone at any time. People say mj was a better shooter. But kobe has shot 1000 more three pointers in same amount of games.
Mannyfrom213 3 weeks ago
Kobe best footwork in NbA HISTORY TBF THO
Amjbmcg 3 weeks ago
@Amjbmcg thanks you
GoingForThe6th 3 weeks ago
@GoingForThe6th rrr u caught me
Amjbmcg 3 weeks ago
michael jordan is the greatest mid range game shooter ever, ray allen - 3 point shooter and larry bird overall greatest shooter ever
Amjbmcg 3 weeks ago
Kobe is the greatest shot maker in history nobody makes tougher shots than he does, it amazing the guys shooting 46% with the shots he takes
koolfool1 3 weeks ago
слишком красивый фильм, более реальности хотелось бы - отключишь звук - и 99%
yastashaha 3 weeks ago
Am I the only that thinks this was longer than 5 minutes and 14seconds
Koopakid000 3 weeks ago
As i child i idolized kobe, and when he retires, we're all gonna miss him. We were spoiled of how great he was and we expect him to be every night in and night out. and When he has a bad game, thats when the haters come in. But you can't deny that this man, was one of the best to ever did it. We can't ever take that away from him, he made basketball his life and that's why hes the player he is today.
Jeranieee 3 weeks ago 2
@Jeranieee In my opinion, if not having Phil Jackson coach the Lakers anymore isn't bad enough, what WILL the NBA be like WITHOUT Kobe?! In my opinion, the Lakers might not make this year's finals, but, I'm certain Kobe is gonna play (every regular season game) like its his LAST!
AngelofAnguish 1 week ago
love
TheCecco1983 4 weeks ago
if kobe is not in the NBA i do not know anything about basketball
latr31493 1 month ago
4:37 : Hoooly Shet
yaboyjbreezy 1 month ago
hell ya Kobe all day
MILLION5551 1 month ago
I never get tired of watching kobe videos!!!! ITs such a BEAUTIFUL THING!!!
Pipsyoe 1 month ago
One of the best videos of Kobe Bryant. Job well done
pokerkamalpoker 1 month ago
That shot at 4:50 is so difficult...super tight angle to spin that off the backboard correctly.
thegrudge 1 month ago
I could've watched 30 minutes of this, it is beautiful indeed.
freshfade28 1 month ago
Jordan plays for the team. LOL That's a good one
cwebbwash3 1 month ago
how do you people thumbs up a comment with such bad grammer lol
jukteen416 1 month ago
prettiest style that is ;)
conviction58 1 month ago
M.J and Kobe
conviction58 1 month ago
2 of the prettiest players ever to sport the NBA fa sha!
conviction58 1 month ago
Lebron travelled
lakerssilva 1 month ago
This is art. Only other player with such beautiful moves is Jordan. KB and Air are in a league of their own.
xchump 1 month ago
@xchump
don´t forget King James, the league have never seen a player like him. he is the most complete player of all time, the only problem is that he never knows what he does...
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy nah man, I'm talking about the style and moves. Bryant and Jordan are smooth, like water you could say. Don't get me wrong, Lebron is a phenomenal player but he doesn't have these smooth, fine moves. He's much more muscular and harsh if you know what I mean.
I'm simply talking about the art of movement.
xchump 1 month ago
@xchump
whatever man...
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
4:54 I do those shit all day too man. Too bad it doesn't touch the rim.
mv996 1 month ago
the NBA without kobe is not gonna be the same ! Stay strong kobe becausee if i wasn't for i wouldn't be wtaching this.
TheScientist1231 1 month ago 44
@TheScientist1231 I agree! If it wasn't for Kobe, I wouldn't be watching the NBA! When Kobe retires, I'll have NO ONE LEFT to cheer for!
AngelofAnguish 1 week ago
@TheScientist1231 that second sentence makes no sense
ctank08 1 day ago
Levron is the best Kobe is the greatest nuff said
akotom13 1 month ago
@akotom13
lebron plays for stats, kobe for himself and MJ for the team. MJ´s the greatest
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy wtf are you talking about Kobe and Jordan were both ball hogs, I hate Lebron but I'll admit he's the most unselfish outta the 3
joshd9124 4 weeks ago
@joshd9124 michael jordan wasnt a fucking hog kobe is a fucking hog
Amjbmcg 3 weeks ago
@joshd9124 and lebron isnt a fucking hog either
Amjbmcg 3 weeks ago
awesome vid
charlosgibson 1 month ago
battier, bowen,..kobe stoppers, hand in the face,..I like their defense but no one can stop the black mamba...
rfpchar 1 month ago
where is the top comment?
MyShaokahn 1 month ago
ball hog
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy when you can 1v1 everyone in the league , your allowed to keep that ball for as long as you like ..
madsxcva 1 month ago
@madsxcva
oh and take 50 shots per game? okay I understand.
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy you mad
beatbox1919 1 month ago
@beatbox1919
Excuse me Sir, what are your purpose with this comment?
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy I was just being immature with that comment because you also said something out of the obvious. As a Laker fan kobe is a ball hog but an amazing one. So there's really no need to say he ball hogs.
beatbox1919 1 month ago
@beatbox1919
i never said i don´t like kobe i just said he is a ball hog, and after what u wrote i think we agree. so there´s really no need to comment on my comment.
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
@Lofaszbandy I never said you don't like kobe either d: We as a fan came to accept that he is one.
beatbox1919 1 month ago
@beatbox1919
exactly bro.
Lofaszbandy 1 month ago
great vid..great fuckin vid
SaucySt3w 1 month ago
kobe bryant is miracle! I LIKE THIS VIDEO!
pavles1000 1 month ago
LAWL lebron made 17 accounts lol even though i dont like lebron i dont troll his videos Kobe is amazing ! :)
MrWALKINWILLY 1 month ago
Spoiler Alert: The entire video = Kobe spinning and doing reverse layups
TheMJones99 1 month ago 14
@TheMJones99 i happened to enjoy every second of it
johnnyfranks67 1 month ago
@TheMJones99 no I saw plenty of jumpshots
SK8Azza 1 month ago
@TheMJones99 But he was shooting. I think you were watching the wrong video sir
CookiezzzBoy 3 weeks ago
@TheMJones99 I think thats why its called "the beautiful artistry" lol
JaySmoveee23 2 weeks ago
@TheMJones99 I saw a dunk in there.
TealeafAlpha 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
@TheMJones99 really? i saw some jumpshots, some cross overs, a dunk...fucking hater shutup.
OompaLoompa211 1 week ago 3
@OompaLoompa211 really! Try to win 4-5 rings and then talk man! Even The Greatest of them all Michael Jordan thinks he's the best right now.
Or better! Try to score 81 points in a single game.
He wanted to be like MJ but found his own style and rhythm in the game.
BosanacDK 13 hours ago
@BosanacDK are you fucking retarded? i've been a kobe fan since 1993, watching him through highschool. shut your mouth you inbred.
OompaLoompa211 7 hours ago
youtube.com/watch?v=zRoTdlHfVxo
Apotheosis0001 1 month ago
He is the GOAT...
there's no other!
KheYBi24 1 month ago
I just can't stop watching this video. Gotta have this on my playlist! Amazing player Kobe!
SonnyGutierrez 2 months ago in playlist Basketball
Also, Hanz Zimmer isn't a real composer.
DrSlinkyWW 2 months ago
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KOBE SUCKSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plus he traveling in every single one of these possessions. Basketball isn't even a real sport.
DrSlinkyWW 2 months ago
@DrSlinkyWW u fuck off!!!!! Basketball isn't a real sport... you are faggot!!!!
rohitmunshi 1 month ago
i take that back 17 lebron scrub fans
idotapoohole 2 months ago
17 haters
idotapoohole 2 months ago
why do you people keep saying kobe is gifted........???????? he is got skill and plays well MJ is special and gifted
saiharish89 2 months ago
kobe is the best player since jordan , no doubt about it.
pob333555 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos 2
Lebron can do anything Kobe can. Difference is, Lebron breaks mad rules while trying to imitate Kobe and usually doesn't get called for it.
Kant419 2 months ago
the human cheat code
woweeJR 2 months ago
Kobe Bryant aint yound anymore :D
marvinneoh 2 months ago
kobe's like perfect in everything, is there anything kobe can't do?
MultiBlackjack24 2 months ago
@MultiBlackjack24 perfect? anything MJ can do kobe cannot
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
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MultiBlackjack24 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex@psychomajoreflex dude i don't wanna start arguing about that but i just had to comment how stupid you are, that statement is way inappropriate when you say "anything MJ can do kobe cannot", you saying anything MJ can do such as getting a free throw(simplest example) kobe can not do? you so stupid think over what you say before you write it, there's some things MJ can do kobe can't do and vice versa, and I bet you can't even name one thing kobe can't do, smh get off MJ's dick
MultiBlackjack24 2 months ago
@MultiBlackjack24 dude, can you chill here and not be a profane ass dick whining here? i'm not talking about anything about a silly FT or anything you throw out. i'm just giving you heads up! kobe's perfect? are you kidding me? 45% shooting, 3 TO's per game? 83% FT? tell me hows that perfect
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex fuck u man not even MJ is perfect
We love Kobe coz he is special not coz he is perfect. And one thing, kobe is kobe
hkchrisnz 2 months ago
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@hkchrisnz hey blame the moron that stated "kobe's like perfect in everything, is there anything kobe can't do?". he sounded like an idiot. i love kobe too, just not prolific stupidity. KOBE CAN'T FLY, HE CAN'T LIVE FOREVER.
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@MrTheTruthOnly "Frightening"? Why would I be frightened by a younger player patterning the bulk of his game after an older player, especially when that older player is the consensus Greatest Of All Time? Frightening? Maybe that's not the word you wanted. I'm neither frightened nor disturbed by it, thank you very much.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
This mix goes great with Big Sean I do it
daratoc 2 months ago
太喜欢了。。
guozhisong 2 months ago
the music just makes it insane
1evildoom16 2 months ago
very nice.
251Trioxin 2 months ago
See Battier's face
formalp 2 months ago
As a celtics fan, you still have to admire kobe's skills
he is a great player, but sometimes he maybe too selfish i guess...
MrEriChase 2 months ago
Not once did I see Kobe pass the ball in this video....Opps never mind he doesn't pass the ball.
rambojrv 2 months ago
@rambojrv Well actually kobe does pass the ball and averages 5 assists a game although he is a "shooting" guard so please be more informed when u want to make a comment about someone
TheROYALFRESHNESS22 2 months ago
Beautiful and skillful, i hope all LA haters/Kobe haters/ Lebron lovers watch this, most of his shots were guarded by TOP defender, batterier, bowen, Tony allen, posey, JR smith, KG, D wade etc, and of cos he shot over LBJ anyday
S200069 3 months ago
I wish I had body control like that.
KingJonYill 3 months ago
1:39 travelled!
zinedinefede 3 months ago
@noopz0r very true!
:)
pjames42 3 months ago
i LOVE how this wasn't a "all dunks" highlight reel...jumpshots,turn-arounds,post moves, jab steps, cross overs, spliting defenders, basline lay-ups....these are the TRUE reason i love to see kobe play
lakerfan2390 3 months ago 10
Kobe and Hakeem have the best footwork in history.
isaiyas 3 months ago
Kobe and Hakeem have the best footwork in history. Not even MJ have those kind of footwork. But that is just me.
isaiyas 3 months ago
@isaiyas
Not even Mj have these kind of footwork? You can't be fucking serious right? Obviously you have never watched MJ play, god I hate misinformed kids like you making comments on subjects you know absolutely nothing about, MJ is the king of footwork for shooting guards
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Look, we've all agreed that MJ is the G.O.A.T., but get off his nuts. Kobe has better footwork, a more varied post game (thanks to Dream), a better handle and more range on his J. MJ destroys Kobe in the strength, speed and athleticism departments, had a better grasp of the moment (eventually), and is a better winner at every level.
Any questions?
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
See this is why I think you fucking kids are dumb, you are stupid enough to actually say Kobe has better post game and better handles. You mention the J, but you neglect the fact that although Kobe has more range, MJ is the best mid-range guard in history, if he can slash and have mastered the mid-range game and average 30+ and 50%, there was no need to extend to the 3 point land, saying Kobe has better footwork and post game shows you've never watched MJ before
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 LOL. Your posturing as the sage elder statesman with perspective through history is quaint, especially when you exhibit the very same myopia you accuse others of. After all, wasn't MJ just a repackaged version of David "Skywalker" Thompson? Wasn't the Skywalk just Dr. J's dunk with a dribble? It'd be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.
Your retort to the fact that Kobe has greater range is to claim MJ "didn't need the range"? Hilarious! I guess MJ didn't need the handle either. LOL.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
Look at the examples you brought up, just dunks! Now compare objectively the similarity between MJ and Kobe, it's like Kobe intentionally copies MJ (which Phil Jackson admitted), we're talking about post moves, fadeaways, footwork and everything, now that's more pathetic
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Yes, Kobe copies MJ. He also copies Hakeem, Magic, Mike D'Antoni (that's why he picked the number 8 coming into the NBA - it was D'Antoni's jersey number in Italy) and more. So what?
The thing is, sometimes the successor supersedes the originator. MJ was greater than Skywalker ever was. Kobe is not greater than MJ, but at certain aspects of the game he's better skilled. Why does that threaten you so much? :-P
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
Kobe has admitted that 90% of what he learned was from MJ, dont' you find that a bit frightening or disturbing?
MrTheTruthOnly 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo uhhh...no he did not copy hakeem, magic, and d'Antoni...wtf is that all about? he acquired the 8 jersey because he simply wore 143 at an adidas bball camp, all you do is add up those numbers 1 4 and 3
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex Yeah... No. D'Antoni was his favorite player in the Italian League as a kid, where his dad was Mike's teammate. D'Antoni wore 8, he wears 8. Look it up some time. You think a player like Kobe is going to pick his jersey number for a reason as random as an Adidas basketball camp? LOL.
There's nothing wrong in copying. Copy and improve. Kobe has made a deliberate move of copying from the best. Why does that bother you so?
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo bother what? this is not beating down on kobe? because it IS what it is! you and I know that is a fact! you cannot speculate whether or not he does this/that can you? what is your point? to validate your argument, you have to look at kobe as a DIFFERENT player, so is lebron, wade, durant, magic, bird, etc.
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex You've lost me. I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
My thesis: Kobe Bryant is a great player, and in some aspects of the game superior to MJ. MJ is still a greater player than Kobe Bryant, overall. This should not bother anyone - i.e., nobody should feel threatened/agitated/infuriated/etc that Kobe might possess superior skill in any one or two aspects of the game.
What's yours?
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo how does 'this' bother anyone? all i am saying is that kobe copying MJ is kobe copying MJ! that's true isn't it? kobe is a great player, but not in MJ's level. if you are talking skills, i'd say kobe is a better tough shotmaker than MJ, and a better three-point shot creator, but with some volatile circumstances. kobe does have a legitimately 'better' FT% but 83.1% for MJ and 83.8% for kobe does not make a legitimate comparison when you are talking players
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
Funny you talk about handles because Kobe has more turnovers than MJ playing the same amount of years as MJ, that's why I was puzzled when you think he has better handles, what a fucking joke
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 In statistics, conditioning is critical, otherwise you end up comparing completely different things. Kobe has more turnovers than MJ over the same number of years, but does that indicate the same number of possessions with primary/significant ball-handling responsibility? Does that indicate the same percentage of team possessions? There's a reason the saying goes "...Lies, Damned lies and Statistics!"
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Handle is not just about the ability to avoid turnovers in any given situation. (Besides, were those turnovers on passes, blocked shots, strips while not even dribbling?) We're looking at an isolated skill, in terms of the ability to maintain dribble in the open court as well as the trap despite pressure from multiple defenders, and the ability to get by defenders without picking up. That's it. By those criteria Kobe has a superior handle, but MJ (as always) made better use of his.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo the reason all of those dribbling is because kobe needed it especially to get past one defender. he takes a lot of crossovers, dribbling at least 10+ times just to get to his high % spot which is inside the paint. the goal to succeed in that department is to obviously use a whole amount of skill so that you use VERY MINIMAL DRIBBLES as possible to get to there. kobe is not skilled in doing that, hence the 'ball handles' are proof of his struggles in penetration
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex Except the Triangle Offense isn't predicated on penetration, so what's your retroactive analysis for that? How often was Kobe a primary trigger on the transition offense versus serving simply as the finisher, in comparison to MJ?
Statistics require constraints to be valid for comparison, otherwise you're looking at very different things and arguing they're the same.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo kobe is the primary trigger on the offense in 90% of when he brings the ball past the halfcourt, and the dribbles set at least 10 before he starts making a basket or a confined play in the paint. MJ was not advised to follow this kind of offense, like I said, MJ takes very MINIMAL dribbles to the bucket and/or make a play. triangle offense allows kobe to penetrate to the basket as well as MJ, so both have the same agenda, but if youre talking different skillset...
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex So on the one hand, Kobe dribbles a lot because of the offense, demonstrating superior ball-handling ability in comparison to MJ, but on the other hand MJ didn't trigger the offense or bring the ball up, thus not needing to dribble as much. So how can we say, either way, that one has a better handle than the other?
Perhaps MJ has a superior handle, but he never demonstrated it. Going off the data we have - game tape - Kobe demonstrated better handle in game. Advantage Kobe.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo That is the goal, both kobe and MJ figure out ways to bypass defenses to get to the spot they want, MJ has mastered the art of breaking defense(s) so that the defense(s) dont load up on him, kobe has yet to do so. the only way kobe could demonstrate a ball handle is if he relies on the dribble to penetrate. in the game, he does many crossovers, yet it takes him 3 times to get past the defender. the goal in basketball is put the ball through the hoop, not dribbling
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex Let's keep in mind, to conclusively resolve any of these questions, we'd need to synthesize both men at their physical and skill peaks and then run them through drills to determine comparative superiority. That obviously can never happen, so we're left with conjecture and hypothesis.
In the end I don't argue that MJ isn't better than Kobe. I just weary of people who lose their shit at the very IDEA that Kobe might be better at any one ASPECT of the game.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I just schooled your fellow ignoramus on the importance of conditioning in statistical comparison, so I won't reiterate it for you. Please do the world a favor and learn the very basics of statistics before trotting them out in an argument.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 you guys all know any nba guard today has better than handles than 80 percent of the players in the era of jordan and magic. Moves were being invented because of street ball players ex. AI if you watch video of todays players and the old school players you will see that todays players have superior handles,
Rayts29 1 month ago
@oluseyidotinfo
ROFL! the reason I gave that retort was because dumbass Kobe fans are always saying MJ didn't have the range, how exactly are you fking sure? MJ's slashing and mid-range game was so dominant he barely had to shoot those off-balanced long-range shots that Kobe likes to take, but when MJ did take them, he made them consistently, seriously if I ask you to prove that MJ didn't have the range, how are you going to prove it to me? You do know his 3pt % is a bit below Kobe's?
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 It's not just about being able to shoot the 3. It's about the distance from which the shot has a legitimately high expectation of being a make. There are NBA players with 30-foot range or more, despite the 3-pt line being 25 feet away at its furthest. MJ can shoot the 3. Kobe can shoot it better, and from further.
MJ's still a better player, overall.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Incidentally, the argument that MJ didn't shoot it because he didn't "need to" is too pat to be taken seriously. Players tend to tailor their game to their advantages. If MJ was a deadeye 3-point shooter, he'd have shot it more often and used the threat of shooting it to open up even more driving lanes. Would a defender really sag even 2 feet off of an MJ who shoots 45% from 3?
It's no disrespect to Mike to observe that Kobe has greater range.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Here's the bottom line: this isn't about who is the better player overall (Jordan, duh) or who was more efficient/effective (Jordan, double-duh). This is about specific skill sets in isolation, not the blending of them into an aggregate offensive arsenal. You lack the insight and the objectivity to even participate in this conversation. Outclassed, you resort to playground taunts, then try to come off as "mature." Ha!
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
You're talking about specific skill sets in isolation and using invalid reasoning as your justification for why Kobe is better at certain areas than MJ, which is why I disagree with you.
You're saying Kobe has better handles, yet he has more turnovers than MJ, even if you throw turnovers aside, how do you know that Kobe has better handles when MJ rarely had to rely on excessive dribbling techniques when he had a lightning first step?
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 How do you know he doesn't?
We evaluate players based on the evidence before us - not just statistics, which often leave out contextual conditioners, but game tape. The evidence before us is that MJ never broke defenders down just off his dribble, but rather relied on that lightning first step to get by them and cause chaos around the bucket. It takes nothing away from MJ to accept that Kobe has a better handle, because MJ still used his skills to better effect.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
I'm not going to say MJ has better handles, but to say Kobe has better handles even though MJ rarely had to rely on excessive dribbling techniques makes your reasoning invalid, and sorry, saying "outclassed" does not actually mean you actually did.
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 PS: I didn't say Kobe has a "better post game." At least read what you're overreacting to, LOL. I said Kobe has a more VARIED post game, thanks to the summer he spent learning from Hakeem (you know, The Dream?). The most varied post game of all-time is probably McHale's, followed by Dream. Jordan had a more EFFECTIVE post game due to superior size, athleticism and game sense, but Kobe has more moves. Period.
Do yourself a favor and learn more about both basketball and English. :-P
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
LMFAO @ you didn't say Kobe has a better post game, when you say something like "Kobe has a more varied post game" it has a positive connotation to it and people automatically assume that you're saying Kobe has a better post game than Jordan, don't be acting all fucking technical here you dumb fuck! LOL
Show me some post moves that Kobe does on a regular basis that Jordan never did before since you're saying he has more moves, try and prove me wrong please.
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 No, people don't assume that. Well, people who aren't stupid don't assume that. :-)
Some of us are extremely precise in the ways we phrase things. Words have meanings, and we use them to the fullest possible effect. Some of you don't pay attention to the meanings of words, and instead interpret everything through an emotional fog that robs the words of their original intent. If I wanted to say Kobe had a better post game than MJ, I'd say, "Kobe has a better post game than MJ."
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 As for post moves that Kobe does on a regular basis that MJ NEVER did, that's an absurd premise. MJ's career overlapped McHale's and Olajuwon's; he probably did a move of theirs at least once. However, look at how Kobe has mastered the use of pump fakes and pivots to get lean-in short jumpers and up-and-unders off in recent years. MJ used head and ball fakes to relocate the defender and spin away for jumpers, often fade-aways.
This argument isn't about ability, but about TENDENCY.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Because Kobe more frequently incorporates a wider range of moves into his post game, he gains an increased advantage against a defender who is less able to guess which move he'll employ. That doesn't mean he's more effective in the post, however; everyone knew Stockton and Malone were going to run the pick-and-roll, yet nobody could stop it for 18 years!
MJ relied on a narrower set of moves in the post, but NOBODY could stop them. That's all that's being said here.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo most of kobe's shots are 5+ dribbles on one defense, run the shot clock to near zero, pivot right, left, punp fake, step through and then pump several times before heaving a 24-30 ft jumper, which he does this on a regular basis. here's the deal with kobe's footwork, his lateral quickness is too low to be able to juke the defender within a second, therefore 80% of kobe's moves the defender rarely reacts to his fakes. you better take a good look at his post moves
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex the reason MJ relied on a narrower set of moves is because he has somethings that kobe does not have: lateral quickness (the ability to revolve body-to-foot about 90+ degrees based on defender's size), explosive speed, strength (MJ was strong and bulky that kobe). chances are if kobe can take 4 spin moves chances are MJ only needs about 1 spin move, if kobe can use 3 pivot moves to MJ's 1, kobe's 3 crossovers to MJ's 1, kobe's 3+ post-work to MJ's 1 and so on
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex Another possible reason is because MJ's opponents feared him in a way that Kobe's didn't and don't. Nobody would ever dare call himself "Jordan Stopper" the way Ruben Patterson dubbed himself "Kobe Stopper." MJ destroyed Drexler so completely just because the media - not Drexler himself - acted as if the two would cancel each other out in the '91 Finals!
MJ had superior physical gifts AND extracted more out of them than any player we've ever seen. Kobe's just the closest copy.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo Yes but MJ did destroy drexler, just by the way he easily glides through the defense of Drexler, especially with Pippen's offscreens, but MJ knew how to set himself up for that situation. Yet the media portrays MJ = Drexler since they would 'cancel' each other out, not that MJ 'destroy' him. I don't really think that kobe has really 'mastered' his footwork, since he would require a lot of dribbling and hard-grinding posting to really nudge the def before he reacts
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex MJ uses his superior gifts to the fullest extent during his rookie/prime years. hence better FG%, higher PPG average, higher assist average, more pursuant for the ball. If he played in today's era where the center/PF are more subdued in dominance, he'd average more reb. blocks, and steals. After his 1st retirement he is less athletic, but still use teammates to create opportunities for himself as well as his teammates. he does this at a better level than kobe
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex Eh. I think you're comparing Kobe of 2011 to your peak memory of MJ. Young Kobe used to juke defenders out of their socks.
Also keep in mind that Kobe often gets the ball late in the shot clock, because of the tendency for his Laker teammates to think "Kobe can bail us out with a miracle shot" - and it's been that way for about a decade now. Certainly since '03.
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo this type of '2011' kobe is prevalent since 2006. Young kobe (2001-2005) is a lot better than kobe post-2006 because he did used to juke defenders better, but not as effective and not as potent as MJ's. Understand that young kobe is still not laterally quick and he does not have MJ's potent step. MJ uses his quickness mixed with lateral footwork to glide through defense/create shots. a lot of times kobe's ftwrk is what causes him to take toughies instead of easies
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex you've probably seen kobe take more tough shots and fadeaways than anybody in the league, and he is the best in doing that. situations where defense loads up on him then he score the wild 24+ footer. you've seen kobe fans claiming he is GOAT because of that. he does that in a higher volume than anyone else in the league. in shot clock situations, he is either a make or miss shots because of that. most of his GW/buzzer beaters have been misses instead of makes
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@psychomajoreflex from what I've learn in basketball is that no matter the situation you DO NOT bail your team out with only a miracle shot like you addressed with kobe. you make better plays, and MJ makes better plays down the stretch than kobe. there are plenty of ways to break down defenses other than taking wild shots. hence MJ is 32-58 in GW compared to 37-117 in GW for kobe
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
Do yourself a favor and go jump off a building because you sound dumb as fuck bro
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 LOL. Okay, "bro."
oluseyidotinfo 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
My question is how did you get so dumb? Did your momma drop your head on the ground when you were a baby?
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 LOL oluseyidotinfo ripped you up with this kobe/jordan skills arguement haha. you have facts but you dont back up your claim lol your making yourself look dumb as hell. stop riding MJ dick SMH
manofmywords240 1 month ago
@oluseyidotinfo
People are jizzing over Kobe's footwork, everything Kobe has done I've seen Jordan do it before, more accurately and more frequently, it's like kids these days can't respect history because everything at this very moment must be the best thing ever, some old school basketball fans like me aren't impressed because we've seen these shit before, and I have no problem with it but when kids like you talk stupid shit like Kobe has a more varied post game, we have a problem
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
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@Hawkhunter07 the reason MJ relied on a narrower set of moves is because he has somethings that kobe does not have: lateral quickness (the ability to revolve body-to-foot about 90+ degrees based on defender's size), explosive speed, strength (MJ was strong and bulky that kobe). chances are if kobe can take 4 spin moves chances are MJ only needs about 1 spin move, if kobe can use 3 pivot moves to MJ's 1, kobe's 3 crossovers to MJ's 1, kobe's 3+ post-work to MJ's 1 and so on
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 most of kobe's shots are 5+ dribbles on one defense, run the shot clock to near zero, pivot right, left, punp fake, step through and then pump several times before heaving a 24-30 ft jumper, which he does this on a regular basis. here's the deal with kobe's footwork, his lateral quickness is too low to be able to juke the defender within a second, therefore 80% of kobe's moves the defender rarely reacts to his fakes. you better take a good look at his post moves
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 kobe shoots less efficiently than MJ because his skill set is not polished and as well-defined as MJ's, for his lack of strength, speed, the lateral quickness (hence the "useless" footwork), and the slower reaction, are the main reasons why kobe is known as the 'tough shotmaker'. i use that term loosely since kobe is primarily a 'shotjacker' as he is unable to create a shot or make a play efficiently as MJ does. thus lower FG, scoring avg, many turnovers, less assists
psychomajoreflex 2 months ago
@oluseyidotinfo
MJ was the best post-up player in the NBA (even Phil Jackson said so), I can't really say Kobe is the best post up player in the NBA right now when his post-game has been so inconsistent compared to MJ
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago
@isaiyas
Moves like 1:52, do you know how many more times MJ has done that than Kobe? I guarantee you MJ does that more than Kobe because I can almost pull up a random 96-98 game and show you it, just ask for it
Hawkhunter07 2 months ago