i think that when briony got robbie put in jail she was just jelous and childish, and those actions are forgivable but what cant be forgiven is that she kept the lie to herself all those years and never thought to tell the truth. i dont feel sorry for her at all. Cecilia is a little to blame for not taking the time to explain what happened. Robbie was the only complet inocent and he suffered the most, tragic film.
She did know what she was doing, even in the confession you can see she knows herself that shes lieing. That was fairly sadistic. Evil little bitch. I love the guilt though, imagine that much guilt eating you up inside. mmmmmm, makes my cock hard...mmmmm
She felt betrayed when she saw robbie and cecilia together, as she said before she loved robbie and had a crush for him when she was very young by the river, and subconsciously or whatever, she convinced herself he was a rapist and dangerous and stuff.
If she knew love, she wouldn't have made Robbie to be what he wasn't. How could she possibly make up crap like that about Robbie when there's nothing to prove or back it up? She knew exactly what she was doing. She knew she was sending him to torment and ruining her sister's happiness. She's evil.
nope that is in the movie. Maybe it was cut from some video editions. It's when the police officer ccomes in to tell the sargent that someone is coming.
Why didn't Robbie just beat her up? He could do that and she can't say anything. Seriously, she should've died. Either take her life or something. She deserved death. She wasn't sorry at all because she's not human and has no heart. She never apologized because she was happy to torment people. I bet she was a crappy nurse. I'm glad Robbie and Ce lived and married. And YES they did live. Briony lies so her ending is false. Ce and Robbie got away from her in the end.
How does one pity such a villain as Briony? She started the mess because she hated Ce and seeing her happy. She knew that what she did was wrong but she wanted to destroy Ce and Robbie.
I don't get why Robbie gets arrested only on her witness. How can the police arrest him on the account of a stupid 13 year old? Why do they believe Briony at all? They all know she's a foolish girl.
I find it hard that Briony can be pitied after she tortured Ce and Robbie and never cared.
i hate Briony too, the reason they were able to arrest Robbie based on what she said is because Emily, the mother, also wanted it to be him, she always disliked him because Jack was paying for his college and she felt like he was paying less attention to his own children in doing this, therefore she supported his arrest, and thats why Cee refuses to contact her mother as well
Yes, but Briony had nothing to prove her statement so police had no right or reason to arrest Robbie. If they had talked with Lola, they would have no reason to suspect Robbie. I don't see why people can pity her when she tortured her sister knowingly by taking her lover away for no reason. By thirteen you should know not to imprison someone because you're jealous. Briony has no reason to be pitied since she knew what she did was evil and she stabbed her sister in the back.
If you hate Briony, you've completely missed Ian McEwan's intentions. He's even said so in many interviews, but claimed you are welcome to your opinion. Well, Briony convinces the girl who is raped that he did it and shows the police the letter he sent. Briony is a creation of the world that made her, that is more evident in the book. I wish people would read it, before judging characters on the film alone.
But she didn't know Robbie and had no right to frame him when she knew perfectly well it was not him. A 13 year old should have enough sense not to blindly accuse someone. She had no right to tell the police. She's evil because she knew Robbie was innocent, but sent him to jail and war and did nothing about it. She could've said she lied, but she didn't. She's disgusting.
What do you mean she didn't know Robbie? Robbie was a close family friend, they grew up together. She did not know perfectly well it was not him, infact she didn't know at all in the book. The image was fuzzy in her mind, but due to her conclusion that he was a sex pervert and her desire to protect her sister from him (after he "raped" her in the library) she forces herself to believe it. You're seeing her very two-dimensionally.
But he was a grown man, and she was only in her early teens. She knew it wasn't him, but she didn't care. Protect Ce? Ce doesn't need protection. She's a grown woman. Briony doesn't know what a pervert is and she can't protect her sister. She had no right to barge in on her sister's true love. She doesn't know what love is, which is why her plays sucked. If she thinks the scene with Robbie and Ce in the library was rape, she doesn't know love. Besides, if it was, Ce would be screaming.
Yes, you're one hundred percent right! But what you're forgetting is her age. She is thirteen. Do you expect her to know all of this stuff? No. Do you expect her to THINK she knows all about this stuff? Yes. And if you think most thirteen year olds don't think that way, then you're fooling yourself. They think they know everything about the world, and that their interpretation is correct. She has seen her pure, loving sister fallen in love with a sex pervert and attacked. Read the book!
I never acted like that when I was 13. A 13 year old should have enough sense to stay out of adult matters. She had no right to read that letter when it was addressed to Ce. She knew Robbie was always kind to Ce and her. Most 13 year olds have sense to stay out of business that isn't their own. If Briony wasn't so stupidly wicked, she would've kept her big nose out of Ce's life.
So curiosity makes someone wicked? Really, you are seeing her completely ignorantly. How many times do you hear parents telling their children "the adults are talking"? They love to get in adult affairs and Briony, in the book, desires it more than anything. She wants to understand the world better to improve her writing and again, in the book, she spends a long time hating herself for opening the letter. So really, you've watched the film and are now pretending to know the characters.
Briony wasn't curious. She put her big nose where it didn't belong. She's wicked because she opened the letter knowing she had no right and then stupidly accused her sister's love of harming her. She hurt her sister for no reason and that makes her wicked. Her age is no excuse. She could've stopped and admitted she was lying and admitted Robbie was a good man and that she wanted Ce 2 b happy, but she didn't. She let Robbie go 2 jail and did nothing. She should rot in the deepest circle.
She opened the letter to confirm her suspicions at the fountain, which I'm sure interpretated strangely also. Why? Because you haven't read the book. She did not think Robbie was a good man. She did not think Cecilia would be happy with Robbie.
This is what you don't understand. WE know the full story, SHE does not and she acted the best she could to her with the information she has.
As I said, she was the one who wanted Robbie first and all of a sudden she's out to hurt him and Ce 4 no reason? When does she decide who is a good man and who would make her sister happy? Shouldn't she have let Ce decide? She had no right choosing her sister's life for her. She should've let her sister be happy and stayed out of the way. Instead, she got her stupid head in there and ruined everything.
She thinks Ce is naive, because Ce refused to show negative emotions around Briony. She was always positive around her, everybody was. Everybody protected her from the truth. She didn't, she only really got involved because she was convinced he was a pervert. She is NOT out to ruin him, only protect her sister. And at the time she really does think he did it. Every logical conclusion, as well as her desire to protect her sister, point at Robbie.
So what's wrong with Ce not being negative? If people don't want her to know, she shouldn't get involved. So if sending him to jail for no reason is not ruining him, what is? She hurt another man for no reason. What evidence does she have that he did it? Nothing. She didn't see him there, she saw Paul Marshall. And she doesn't have any evidence from Ce either.
No, what I mean is they sheltered her. What horrible realities has she seen or heard about? None. Her intention is not to ruin him, it is merely something that is caused by her actions. Everything your actions cause don't have to be intended. I'm sure you know that. Remember when you upset someone without meaning to? She didn't see anybody, in the book. It was fuzzy, but the way he moves reminds her of him and it is her way of protecting her sister from a sexual pervert.
She said she knew it was him, how is that not ruining him? I have never upset any1 without meaning it. I've never upset any1. She knew that Robbie would go to jail, she intended that, wanted it. She knew Ce was devastated, but she didn't care. She just wanted Robbie in jail, even if it broke Ce's heart. Why do you think Ce wanted nothing to do with her?
She knew it was Paul Marshall all along. How can someone standing in front of you be fuzzy? It's just her lame excuse.
Then you are ignorant to life. You have not yet come to discover that everything our actions cause was not what we intended. Occasionally we get it wrong. We can only imagine how things will turn out on what we know, and everybody knows different amounts and has had different experiences. Briony thought she was acting for the greater good. It was not her intention to hurt Cecilia. Ce knew more than Briony did, and assumed Briony knew everything. She made the same mistake you did in hating Bri.
You can hate her for her pretentious meddling, but not for her intentions. Her intentions were pure. Think of that old story of the sister sticking up for her brother in a fight. She meddles and embarrasses him and does a terrible thing, but her intentions were pure. To protect her brother. You see? It's nothing to do with being meddling, but that I don't care about much. As long as you realise her intentions were pure, not evil.
Her intentions were NOT PURE. She had no evidence that Ce was being hurt. Ruining a good man's life when there is no problem is not a good intention. As I said, Ce showed no signs of being hurt, so what makes Briony so certain that Robbie was a monster she made him to be? She only wants Robbie to be a monster because she doesn't understand the fairyland from reality. She doesn't see that Ce is happy. She just wants Ce to be unhappy for her writing.
She had huge amounts of evidence she was being hurt. Ce was terribly down after coming back from university with him, was attacked by him in the library and dominated by the waterfountain. No, this is NOT what happens. We know that. They are the events according to Briony. Again, Cecilia is always positive about Briony, never revealing the truth to her, she knows it. Precisely. She doesn't understand fantasy and reality. Who's to blame? Blaming her alone is childish.
Those are her words against Ce's. Ce was there so she knows Robbie never hurt her. Briony can't prove anything. Ce shouldn't have to tell Briony because it's not her business. Blaming Briony is the solution. She knew Robbie was innocent but she did nothing. She knew all along what she did was wicked, but did she do anything to save Ce and Robbie? No. Even as an adult she still never tried to clear Robbie's name. It's her fault for everything.
In the book, the two shapes are far away and she has no light at the time. This is not how it's shown in the film, which is why you should read the book. Briony used the letter, mainly, to prove ti and Emily (the Mum) didn't like Robbie from the beginning, and so she stood behind Briony. But remember, Briony left home to be a nurse and never returned. She did NOT know Robbie was innocent, not until later. The whole book is her trying to help, did you miss the last half?
She left to be a nurse because she knew she screwed her sister and Robbie. She knew that Robbie was innocent all along. Her trying to help? She has almost a touch of death. Anything she touches she destroys.
Yes, it is her fault. Yes, she was cowardly for not correcting her mistake. But she was not evil. What happened was not what she had intended.
When you grow up, and live life, there will be a point where you wish you did something. Wish you said something and terribly regret not doing so and simply living life. I bitterly hope that doesn't happen, but I know it shall.
From the books I've read and movies I've seen, etc. cowardice is the same as villainy. She caused so much damage and didn't care to clean it up. Regret? The only thing I regret is not writing down "because Gary Oldman plays Beethoven" on a music exam. I am smarter than Briony and wouldn't send some1 innocent to jail like she did.
Well, there is something you need to know. Ian McEwan is all about taking the "typical characters" and giving them a twist. A lot of people are stuck in their stereotyping ways and miss it completely. That's what he does. That's his thing. You see, I made no comment about what she did AFTER making her mistake, when she grew up and realised it was one. You even see that she has every INTENTION of apologising, but doesn't. She has every INTENTION to help Ce, but doesn't.
EXACTLY. I think you've got it, in parts. She does have a "touch of death", but she wants to help. It's like the clumsy person who picks up the tray of glasses to help you out, but ends up smashing them all over the floor. She became a nurse so that she could in some way make up for what she did. Facing your demons is hard to do. Look at addiction, obesity, depression and hundreds of other things we find hard to face.
It's one thing to be clumsy, but another to clean up after yourself. Briony makes a mess and does nothing. She never faced her demons. If she was going to do that, she would've gone straight to Ce to help get Robbie out of prison.
I find it amusing that you think yourself smarter than Briony. Isn't that exactly what she thought? That she was smarter than everybody else and understood things better? Just curious.
But if she is not as smart as you, why are you judging her with how you should act? That is like expecting a young child to pass a college exam.
What she did lacked common sense. I'm a legal adult and wiser than her. I would not send some1 to jail with no proof. I would know that my siblings can defend themselves.
She doesn't help Ce, you're right, but she was trying to help Ce. That's the difference. What she meant to happen and what did. Yes, Briony may be a coward, but that doesn't make her intentions evil and therefore, to me, that makes her not evil. Intention, to me, is what makes someone good or evil. Lacking common sense, but ask yourself - why? Why does she lack common sense? If you really think, you'll discover she alone is not to blame. Everything has a cause.
If she was trying to help, she would've started by going to a solicitor to clear Robbie's name, but she didn't. As I said, only evil people are cowards. Briony is a coward and evil. She lacks a heart. She wasn't sorry for what she did to Robbie and Ce. She lacks common sense because of herself. She's just a stupid girl who lives in a fairyland. No one else is to blame but her.
No, she was trying to help when she accused Robbie of the crime. That was her intention, she clearly didn't think about or understand the consequences of her actions (I wonder who gave her that attitude) and opted for a quick fix.
She wasn't sorry? So she didn't become a nurse in some act of penance? She didn't carry the burden of her mistake for her whole life? She didn't NEVER love because she couldn't face herself? She didn't write the book with their happy ending?
She wasn't helping when she stupidly accused Robbie. Her accusation of a man she knew was good to her doesn't help. Doesn't she remember that he saved her from drowning? Why does she want him to suffer?
No, she wasn't sorry. She became a nurse I don't know why. She wrote the book with them dead at the end because she thought Robbie was a monster he wasn't and she didn't want Ce to be happy. No one would ever do what she did.
Again, you're stating what actually is. Not what Briony thought she was doing. It's like bashing your head against a brick wall!
Remember that Robbie and Cecilia both died not long after the rape charge. Briony would have been quite young. Even in the film, Cecilia says in her letter to Robbie that Briony "became a nurse in some act of penance." It was her way of making up for it and she was hoping to see Robbie to save his life. Don't you remember Briony looking through the crowd for him?
Robbie and Ce died in Briony's stupid book, not in real life. If Briony wanted to save Robbie, why didn't she go to the police and admit she lied? That why, they'd have no right to send him to war. Becoming a nurse doesn't help anything of what Briony did. Nor does writing a crappy book in which she writes her sister's death.
No, you've got it confused. In the book, Robbie and Cecilia survive and have that moment on the beach. In real life, they both died. Robbie died at war and Cecilia died underground. Go back and watch the ending again. She was a coward, but again that doesn't make her evil.
You've REALLY got the ending confused. Let me send you it in personal message.
How can you be a coward and not be evil? It's both not 1 or the other.
I'm certain that Ce and Robbie survived the war and Briony wrote them dead in her book. What kind of ending would that be if they never saw each other again? A CRAPPY ending. No one likes sad endings. Happy endings are good endings.
I just checked. The video is up. Again, sorry. You're wrong.
Real life:
Cecilia died after a bomb burst a water pipe and killed her. Robbie died of blood poisoning (septicaemia) from that wound he was hiding.
In the book:
Briony meets Cecilia and Robbie and agrees to write to the police and admit what she did. She does and they are back together. They have their time at the beach.
Whether you like it or not, that is the ending. You're hugely confused! Briony writes that ending in.
Why would Ian McEwan write a crappy ending like that? Only an idiot would end Atonement with Robbie and Ce dying. I know he's not an idiot so I know that Ce and Robbie did not die at the end of Atonement. The book is acclaimed, so that means it must have a happy ending since no one likes sad endings.
Regardless of what you think of the ending, that IS the ending. I would actually claim the opposite. Most acclaimed books have dreadfully sad endings. Ian McEwan's name in the literary world is Ian Macabre. He writes sad books with sad endings.
I'm afraid I won't continue this conversation. I don't see how you can understand Briony, if you don't understand the simplicity of the ending. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Well, he must not be a smart man then because no one wants to read sad books, especially today.
All I will say is that I'm not the only one with a problem. People still don't understand the simplicity of the AWE ending that Will is free after 10 years.
Just as a side note, her plays did not suck. Again, something you've seen in the movie and read in the wrong way. The reason her play fails has several reasons - very little to do with quality. Actually, they were used ironically. Doesn't she say "love is all good, but you have to be sensible"? Look what she did while in love with Robbie. Briony, I mean.
Also, Ce was screaming. The er, noises she was making were misinterpreted by Briony. Her intentions were pure, but her actions were not!
Of course her plays sucked because she doesn't know what love is. Certainly to write a love story, you have to know love and she doesn't, else she wouldn't have ruined her sister's happiness. Briony's intentions are all evil. Why would she care about who her sister sleeps with? I never did when I was 13. Briony is a wicked witch and someone should drop a house on her.
She did not intend to ruin her sister's happiness. Really, you need to read the book. She thought her sister was blind to Robbie's perversion. She thought she was so in love with him that she was forgiving him for his sexual perversion (think of how the letter he wrote would be taken by you at 13) and so she acts to protect her. THAT is the reason given in the book. To protect her sister. What she doesn't realise is that she is harming her sister, but she didn't MEAN for it to happen.
Briony can't protect Ce, I've said that. A 13 year old can't protect a grown woman. She didn't trust her adult sister to stay safe, how dumb is that? A letter like that is not threatening at all and it wasn't Briony's to read anyway. She harmed Ce either way. I think she meant to do it. She wanted Robbie to suffer in jail for no reason, so she wanted Ce's unhappiness. She had no right to lie and no reason but she did. She meant it ALL.
What Briony can do and what she thinks she's doing aren't the same thing, so I don't see how claiming that she can't changes anything. She thought her grown sister was a little naive, which is the whole irony. Yes, Briony hates herself for reading it and it is threatening. The language is very sexually graphic, especially for a thirteen year old year to see.
Again, you're interpretation of the character is very two-dimensional and wouldn't pass a primary school English lesson.
How could she think her wiser sister was naive? Even when I was 13, I knew my sibs were wiser. Whatever the letter was, Briony should've stayed out of it. What made her think she had any reason being involved with Ce and Robbie? Didn't she know that Robbie never hurt her? And if she's so out to ruin him, why'd she go after his affections so admantly? Very hypocritical.
I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for Briony. I haven't seen the movie yet, but there's a part at the end of the book that's about her, and it's very sad. I have to see this movie though.
Wonderful, just perfect! I've heard this song before and it was a good choice for the message you were trying to convey! Keep posting these awesome videos!
Absolutely love it and I love the fact that you've used some dialogue which went well perfectly w/the video. I also loved the music because it gives us a sense of calm and relaxed feeling so that we can better understand Biony's thoughts and the "what if's" that seem to be swimming in her mind according to your thought-provoking video. Perfect in every way. Thank you for making it!!! :)
i think that when briony got robbie put in jail she was just jelous and childish, and those actions are forgivable but what cant be forgiven is that she kept the lie to herself all those years and never thought to tell the truth. i dont feel sorry for her at all. Cecilia is a little to blame for not taking the time to explain what happened. Robbie was the only complet inocent and he suffered the most, tragic film.
animelover5076 8 months ago
Some of this comments, you people are kind of sick you know
andromeda99239 1 year ago
Wow! You did an excellent job, choosing the best scenes; and editing very well. It must have taken a few hours.
WaleedRahman 1 year ago
If briony was a real person Id rape and eat her.
Warlord1500 1 year ago
I LOVE MIKA!
curlysue27 1 year ago
INCREDIBLE! Breathtaking, excellent choice of music, SO GOOD.
327ecb 2 years ago
Thanks for the great comment
groove703 2 years ago
@groove703 You're welcome. ^_^ What other movies have you done videos on?
327ecb 2 years ago
This is so great..I cannot wait to see her in "The Lovely Bones". :D
NarutoPistol 2 years ago
She did know what she was doing, even in the confession you can see she knows herself that shes lieing. That was fairly sadistic. Evil little bitch. I love the guilt though, imagine that much guilt eating you up inside. mmmmmm, makes my cock hard...mmmmm
Warlord1500 2 years ago
I love briony, fuck...
Warlord1500 2 years ago
She felt betrayed when she saw robbie and cecilia together, as she said before she loved robbie and had a crush for him when she was very young by the river, and subconsciously or whatever, she convinced herself he was a rapist and dangerous and stuff.
Warlord1500 2 years ago
If she knew love, she wouldn't have made Robbie to be what he wasn't. How could she possibly make up crap like that about Robbie when there's nothing to prove or back it up? She knew exactly what she was doing. She knew she was sending him to torment and ruining her sister's happiness. She's evil.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Omg i hate briony sooo much! She ruined everything and is the reason he was sent to war!
lovinmesomelogan 2 years ago
Really. I don't. This movie is so beautiful in its tragedy, in a sense it was like these events were unavoidable. they had to happen.
Sinnylou92 2 years ago
0:42 is that a deleted scene cuz i didnt c that in the movie? if so whats it called?
queenofsheba1000 2 years ago
nope that is in the movie. Maybe it was cut from some video editions. It's when the police officer ccomes in to tell the sargent that someone is coming.
groove703 2 years ago
sorry i thought the guy with the hat was robbi
queenofsheba1000 2 years ago
Why didn't Robbie just beat her up? He could do that and she can't say anything. Seriously, she should've died. Either take her life or something. She deserved death. She wasn't sorry at all because she's not human and has no heart. She never apologized because she was happy to torment people. I bet she was a crappy nurse. I'm glad Robbie and Ce lived and married. And YES they did live. Briony lies so her ending is false. Ce and Robbie got away from her in the end.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
How does one pity such a villain as Briony? She started the mess because she hated Ce and seeing her happy. She knew that what she did was wrong but she wanted to destroy Ce and Robbie.
I don't get why Robbie gets arrested only on her witness. How can the police arrest him on the account of a stupid 13 year old? Why do they believe Briony at all? They all know she's a foolish girl.
I find it hard that Briony can be pitied after she tortured Ce and Robbie and never cared.
orlandogirl213 3 years ago
i hate Briony too, the reason they were able to arrest Robbie based on what she said is because Emily, the mother, also wanted it to be him, she always disliked him because Jack was paying for his college and she felt like he was paying less attention to his own children in doing this, therefore she supported his arrest, and thats why Cee refuses to contact her mother as well
hayley8188 3 years ago
Yes, but Briony had nothing to prove her statement so police had no right or reason to arrest Robbie. If they had talked with Lola, they would have no reason to suspect Robbie. I don't see why people can pity her when she tortured her sister knowingly by taking her lover away for no reason. By thirteen you should know not to imprison someone because you're jealous. Briony has no reason to be pitied since she knew what she did was evil and she stabbed her sister in the back.
orlandogirl213 3 years ago
If you hate Briony, you've completely missed Ian McEwan's intentions. He's even said so in many interviews, but claimed you are welcome to your opinion. Well, Briony convinces the girl who is raped that he did it and shows the police the letter he sent. Briony is a creation of the world that made her, that is more evident in the book. I wish people would read it, before judging characters on the film alone.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
But she didn't know Robbie and had no right to frame him when she knew perfectly well it was not him. A 13 year old should have enough sense not to blindly accuse someone. She had no right to tell the police. She's evil because she knew Robbie was innocent, but sent him to jail and war and did nothing about it. She could've said she lied, but she didn't. She's disgusting.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
What do you mean she didn't know Robbie? Robbie was a close family friend, they grew up together. She did not know perfectly well it was not him, infact she didn't know at all in the book. The image was fuzzy in her mind, but due to her conclusion that he was a sex pervert and her desire to protect her sister from him (after he "raped" her in the library) she forces herself to believe it. You're seeing her very two-dimensionally.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
But he was a grown man, and she was only in her early teens. She knew it wasn't him, but she didn't care. Protect Ce? Ce doesn't need protection. She's a grown woman. Briony doesn't know what a pervert is and she can't protect her sister. She had no right to barge in on her sister's true love. She doesn't know what love is, which is why her plays sucked. If she thinks the scene with Robbie and Ce in the library was rape, she doesn't know love. Besides, if it was, Ce would be screaming.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Yes, you're one hundred percent right! But what you're forgetting is her age. She is thirteen. Do you expect her to know all of this stuff? No. Do you expect her to THINK she knows all about this stuff? Yes. And if you think most thirteen year olds don't think that way, then you're fooling yourself. They think they know everything about the world, and that their interpretation is correct. She has seen her pure, loving sister fallen in love with a sex pervert and attacked. Read the book!
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
I never acted like that when I was 13. A 13 year old should have enough sense to stay out of adult matters. She had no right to read that letter when it was addressed to Ce. She knew Robbie was always kind to Ce and her. Most 13 year olds have sense to stay out of business that isn't their own. If Briony wasn't so stupidly wicked, she would've kept her big nose out of Ce's life.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
So curiosity makes someone wicked? Really, you are seeing her completely ignorantly. How many times do you hear parents telling their children "the adults are talking"? They love to get in adult affairs and Briony, in the book, desires it more than anything. She wants to understand the world better to improve her writing and again, in the book, she spends a long time hating herself for opening the letter. So really, you've watched the film and are now pretending to know the characters.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Briony wasn't curious. She put her big nose where it didn't belong. She's wicked because she opened the letter knowing she had no right and then stupidly accused her sister's love of harming her. She hurt her sister for no reason and that makes her wicked. Her age is no excuse. She could've stopped and admitted she was lying and admitted Robbie was a good man and that she wanted Ce 2 b happy, but she didn't. She let Robbie go 2 jail and did nothing. She should rot in the deepest circle.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
She opened the letter to confirm her suspicions at the fountain, which I'm sure interpretated strangely also. Why? Because you haven't read the book. She did not think Robbie was a good man. She did not think Cecilia would be happy with Robbie.
This is what you don't understand. WE know the full story, SHE does not and she acted the best she could to her with the information she has.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
As I said, she was the one who wanted Robbie first and all of a sudden she's out to hurt him and Ce 4 no reason? When does she decide who is a good man and who would make her sister happy? Shouldn't she have let Ce decide? She had no right choosing her sister's life for her. She should've let her sister be happy and stayed out of the way. Instead, she got her stupid head in there and ruined everything.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
She thinks Ce is naive, because Ce refused to show negative emotions around Briony. She was always positive around her, everybody was. Everybody protected her from the truth. She didn't, she only really got involved because she was convinced he was a pervert. She is NOT out to ruin him, only protect her sister. And at the time she really does think he did it. Every logical conclusion, as well as her desire to protect her sister, point at Robbie.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
So what's wrong with Ce not being negative? If people don't want her to know, she shouldn't get involved. So if sending him to jail for no reason is not ruining him, what is? She hurt another man for no reason. What evidence does she have that he did it? Nothing. She didn't see him there, she saw Paul Marshall. And she doesn't have any evidence from Ce either.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
No, what I mean is they sheltered her. What horrible realities has she seen or heard about? None. Her intention is not to ruin him, it is merely something that is caused by her actions. Everything your actions cause don't have to be intended. I'm sure you know that. Remember when you upset someone without meaning to? She didn't see anybody, in the book. It was fuzzy, but the way he moves reminds her of him and it is her way of protecting her sister from a sexual pervert.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
She said she knew it was him, how is that not ruining him? I have never upset any1 without meaning it. I've never upset any1. She knew that Robbie would go to jail, she intended that, wanted it. She knew Ce was devastated, but she didn't care. She just wanted Robbie in jail, even if it broke Ce's heart. Why do you think Ce wanted nothing to do with her?
She knew it was Paul Marshall all along. How can someone standing in front of you be fuzzy? It's just her lame excuse.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Then you are ignorant to life. You have not yet come to discover that everything our actions cause was not what we intended. Occasionally we get it wrong. We can only imagine how things will turn out on what we know, and everybody knows different amounts and has had different experiences. Briony thought she was acting for the greater good. It was not her intention to hurt Cecilia. Ce knew more than Briony did, and assumed Briony knew everything. She made the same mistake you did in hating Bri.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Hating Briony is not a mistake. Briony sent Robbie to jail for no reason and hurt her sister. It's only fair that she gets hurt in return.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
You can hate her for her pretentious meddling, but not for her intentions. Her intentions were pure. Think of that old story of the sister sticking up for her brother in a fight. She meddles and embarrasses him and does a terrible thing, but her intentions were pure. To protect her brother. You see? It's nothing to do with being meddling, but that I don't care about much. As long as you realise her intentions were pure, not evil.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Her intentions were NOT PURE. She had no evidence that Ce was being hurt. Ruining a good man's life when there is no problem is not a good intention. As I said, Ce showed no signs of being hurt, so what makes Briony so certain that Robbie was a monster she made him to be? She only wants Robbie to be a monster because she doesn't understand the fairyland from reality. She doesn't see that Ce is happy. She just wants Ce to be unhappy for her writing.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
She had huge amounts of evidence she was being hurt. Ce was terribly down after coming back from university with him, was attacked by him in the library and dominated by the waterfountain. No, this is NOT what happens. We know that. They are the events according to Briony. Again, Cecilia is always positive about Briony, never revealing the truth to her, she knows it. Precisely. She doesn't understand fantasy and reality. Who's to blame? Blaming her alone is childish.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Those are her words against Ce's. Ce was there so she knows Robbie never hurt her. Briony can't prove anything. Ce shouldn't have to tell Briony because it's not her business. Blaming Briony is the solution. She knew Robbie was innocent but she did nothing. She knew all along what she did was wicked, but did she do anything to save Ce and Robbie? No. Even as an adult she still never tried to clear Robbie's name. It's her fault for everything.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
In the book, the two shapes are far away and she has no light at the time. This is not how it's shown in the film, which is why you should read the book. Briony used the letter, mainly, to prove ti and Emily (the Mum) didn't like Robbie from the beginning, and so she stood behind Briony. But remember, Briony left home to be a nurse and never returned. She did NOT know Robbie was innocent, not until later. The whole book is her trying to help, did you miss the last half?
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
She left to be a nurse because she knew she screwed her sister and Robbie. She knew that Robbie was innocent all along. Her trying to help? She has almost a touch of death. Anything she touches she destroys.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Yes, it is her fault. Yes, she was cowardly for not correcting her mistake. But she was not evil. What happened was not what she had intended.
When you grow up, and live life, there will be a point where you wish you did something. Wish you said something and terribly regret not doing so and simply living life. I bitterly hope that doesn't happen, but I know it shall.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
From the books I've read and movies I've seen, etc. cowardice is the same as villainy. She caused so much damage and didn't care to clean it up. Regret? The only thing I regret is not writing down "because Gary Oldman plays Beethoven" on a music exam. I am smarter than Briony and wouldn't send some1 innocent to jail like she did.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Well, there is something you need to know. Ian McEwan is all about taking the "typical characters" and giving them a twist. A lot of people are stuck in their stereotyping ways and miss it completely. That's what he does. That's his thing. You see, I made no comment about what she did AFTER making her mistake, when she grew up and realised it was one. You even see that she has every INTENTION of apologising, but doesn't. She has every INTENTION to help Ce, but doesn't.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Since she doesn't help Ce, it makes her a despicable excuse for a woman.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
EXACTLY. I think you've got it, in parts. She does have a "touch of death", but she wants to help. It's like the clumsy person who picks up the tray of glasses to help you out, but ends up smashing them all over the floor. She became a nurse so that she could in some way make up for what she did. Facing your demons is hard to do. Look at addiction, obesity, depression and hundreds of other things we find hard to face.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
It's one thing to be clumsy, but another to clean up after yourself. Briony makes a mess and does nothing. She never faced her demons. If she was going to do that, she would've gone straight to Ce to help get Robbie out of prison.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I find it amusing that you think yourself smarter than Briony. Isn't that exactly what she thought? That she was smarter than everybody else and understood things better? Just curious.
But if she is not as smart as you, why are you judging her with how you should act? That is like expecting a young child to pass a college exam.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
What she did lacked common sense. I'm a legal adult and wiser than her. I would not send some1 to jail with no proof. I would know that my siblings can defend themselves.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
She doesn't help Ce, you're right, but she was trying to help Ce. That's the difference. What she meant to happen and what did. Yes, Briony may be a coward, but that doesn't make her intentions evil and therefore, to me, that makes her not evil. Intention, to me, is what makes someone good or evil. Lacking common sense, but ask yourself - why? Why does she lack common sense? If you really think, you'll discover she alone is not to blame. Everything has a cause.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
If she was trying to help, she would've started by going to a solicitor to clear Robbie's name, but she didn't. As I said, only evil people are cowards. Briony is a coward and evil. She lacks a heart. She wasn't sorry for what she did to Robbie and Ce. She lacks common sense because of herself. She's just a stupid girl who lives in a fairyland. No one else is to blame but her.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
No, she was trying to help when she accused Robbie of the crime. That was her intention, she clearly didn't think about or understand the consequences of her actions (I wonder who gave her that attitude) and opted for a quick fix.
She wasn't sorry? So she didn't become a nurse in some act of penance? She didn't carry the burden of her mistake for her whole life? She didn't NEVER love because she couldn't face herself? She didn't write the book with their happy ending?
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
She wasn't helping when she stupidly accused Robbie. Her accusation of a man she knew was good to her doesn't help. Doesn't she remember that he saved her from drowning? Why does she want him to suffer?
No, she wasn't sorry. She became a nurse I don't know why. She wrote the book with them dead at the end because she thought Robbie was a monster he wasn't and she didn't want Ce to be happy. No one would ever do what she did.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Again, you're stating what actually is. Not what Briony thought she was doing. It's like bashing your head against a brick wall!
Remember that Robbie and Cecilia both died not long after the rape charge. Briony would have been quite young. Even in the film, Cecilia says in her letter to Robbie that Briony "became a nurse in some act of penance." It was her way of making up for it and she was hoping to see Robbie to save his life. Don't you remember Briony looking through the crowd for him?
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Robbie and Ce died in Briony's stupid book, not in real life. If Briony wanted to save Robbie, why didn't she go to the police and admit she lied? That why, they'd have no right to send him to war. Becoming a nurse doesn't help anything of what Briony did. Nor does writing a crappy book in which she writes her sister's death.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
No, you've got it confused. In the book, Robbie and Cecilia survive and have that moment on the beach. In real life, they both died. Robbie died at war and Cecilia died underground. Go back and watch the ending again. She was a coward, but again that doesn't make her evil.
You've REALLY got the ending confused. Let me send you it in personal message.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
How can you be a coward and not be evil? It's both not 1 or the other.
I'm certain that Ce and Robbie survived the war and Briony wrote them dead in her book. What kind of ending would that be if they never saw each other again? A CRAPPY ending. No one likes sad endings. Happy endings are good endings.
By the way, the video isn't up anymore.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I just checked. The video is up. Again, sorry. You're wrong.
Real life:
Cecilia died after a bomb burst a water pipe and killed her. Robbie died of blood poisoning (septicaemia) from that wound he was hiding.
In the book:
Briony meets Cecilia and Robbie and agrees to write to the police and admit what she did. She does and they are back together. They have their time at the beach.
Whether you like it or not, that is the ending. You're hugely confused! Briony writes that ending in.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Why would Ian McEwan write a crappy ending like that? Only an idiot would end Atonement with Robbie and Ce dying. I know he's not an idiot so I know that Ce and Robbie did not die at the end of Atonement. The book is acclaimed, so that means it must have a happy ending since no one likes sad endings.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Regardless of what you think of the ending, that IS the ending. I would actually claim the opposite. Most acclaimed books have dreadfully sad endings. Ian McEwan's name in the literary world is Ian Macabre. He writes sad books with sad endings.
I'm afraid I won't continue this conversation. I don't see how you can understand Briony, if you don't understand the simplicity of the ending. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Well, he must not be a smart man then because no one wants to read sad books, especially today.
All I will say is that I'm not the only one with a problem. People still don't understand the simplicity of the AWE ending that Will is free after 10 years.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
People that don't understand need to read the book. Your right.
theXXXXperson 2 years ago
People cant be evil. Dont try hype them up to be more than they are.
Warlord1500 2 years ago
Just as a side note, her plays did not suck. Again, something you've seen in the movie and read in the wrong way. The reason her play fails has several reasons - very little to do with quality. Actually, they were used ironically. Doesn't she say "love is all good, but you have to be sensible"? Look what she did while in love with Robbie. Briony, I mean.
Also, Ce was screaming. The er, noises she was making were misinterpreted by Briony. Her intentions were pure, but her actions were not!
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Of course her plays sucked because she doesn't know what love is. Certainly to write a love story, you have to know love and she doesn't, else she wouldn't have ruined her sister's happiness. Briony's intentions are all evil. Why would she care about who her sister sleeps with? I never did when I was 13. Briony is a wicked witch and someone should drop a house on her.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
She did not intend to ruin her sister's happiness. Really, you need to read the book. She thought her sister was blind to Robbie's perversion. She thought she was so in love with him that she was forgiving him for his sexual perversion (think of how the letter he wrote would be taken by you at 13) and so she acts to protect her. THAT is the reason given in the book. To protect her sister. What she doesn't realise is that she is harming her sister, but she didn't MEAN for it to happen.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
Briony can't protect Ce, I've said that. A 13 year old can't protect a grown woman. She didn't trust her adult sister to stay safe, how dumb is that? A letter like that is not threatening at all and it wasn't Briony's to read anyway. She harmed Ce either way. I think she meant to do it. She wanted Robbie to suffer in jail for no reason, so she wanted Ce's unhappiness. She had no right to lie and no reason but she did. She meant it ALL.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
What Briony can do and what she thinks she's doing aren't the same thing, so I don't see how claiming that she can't changes anything. She thought her grown sister was a little naive, which is the whole irony. Yes, Briony hates herself for reading it and it is threatening. The language is very sexually graphic, especially for a thirteen year old year to see.
Again, you're interpretation of the character is very two-dimensional and wouldn't pass a primary school English lesson.
AtheistBaby 2 years ago
How could she think her wiser sister was naive? Even when I was 13, I knew my sibs were wiser. Whatever the letter was, Briony should've stayed out of it. What made her think she had any reason being involved with Ce and Robbie? Didn't she know that Robbie never hurt her? And if she's so out to ruin him, why'd she go after his affections so admantly? Very hypocritical.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
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and my name is Sáoirse 2!!! yerrroooo!
avrilalltheway 3 years ago
how do u pronounce ur name?
freakyobsessed 2 years ago
Seer-sha but the way u spell it is Sáoirse
avrilalltheway 2 years ago
lol im wayy off! i guessed it wud be Swah - ree LOL
freakyobsessed 2 years ago
Haha na its a really hard name 2 say like. Not many people can say it i have 2 say:D
Its great havin a name like this though cause no one else has the same as u haha!
avrilalltheway 2 years ago
I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for Briony. I haven't seen the movie yet, but there's a part at the end of the book that's about her, and it's very sad. I have to see this movie though.
kitlyn37 3 years ago 4
I never was angry at her. It was Marshall that pissed me off (naturally). But all the other characters were just victims of perspective, chance, and
jlyons1026 3 years ago
other such things. Briony was afraid of Robbie, she wasn't malicious. That was my perspective anyhow.
jlyons1026 3 years ago
Conversely. Did you pick up the similarities between Lola and Cee and Robbie and Marshall>
jlyons1026 3 years ago
I love how you've given Briony the choice. The editing is wonderful and the song is perfect! Keep up the brilliant videos!
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LittlebunnyakaPygmy 3 years ago 2
Thank you very much.
groove703 3 years ago
beautiful...
hani273nhk 3 years ago
Thank you very much
groove703 3 years ago
i really love this video
Naughtygrl2013 4 years ago 2
Wonderful, just perfect! I've heard this song before and it was a good choice for the message you were trying to convey! Keep posting these awesome videos!
atonement808 4 years ago 2
Thank you very much.
groove703 4 years ago
Absolutely love it and I love the fact that you've used some dialogue which went well perfectly w/the video. I also loved the music because it gives us a sense of calm and relaxed feeling so that we can better understand Biony's thoughts and the "what if's" that seem to be swimming in her mind according to your thought-provoking video. Perfect in every way. Thank you for making it!!! :)
RobCee4ever 4 years ago 2
Thanks so much for the awesome comment. I love the music too, and thought the melancholy suited clips. So glad you liked it.
groove703 4 years ago
beautiful, Atonement was a great movie but a sad movie, strangely i sympathize with briony the most...
kcw602 4 years ago
thanks for the comment
groove703 4 years ago
This is great
deathbyblonde11 4 years ago