the science behind mixed martial arts part 2

[roldysaveme101]

Ouch!

[ProGamerKDZ]

this is awesome!!! cept get better quality

[Coopersboy7]

They shoulda measured Mirko Cro Cops high kick!

[FireStormBaller]

You can't compare them to people like Muay Thai guy. Bas outweighs the Muay Thai guy by like 500 pounds, of course he's going to generate more power.

[kai0shin]

@FridgeNatious well of course in his prime he def hit harder than Bas in his prime...

but if he hits harder than Bas now, I wouldn't be surprised

[kai0shin]

I BET Mike Tyson hits harder

[pcvietnameseboi]

where is cung le?

[cliptwingz]

I personally reckon Azian gymnasts are better athletes.

[pinoypower247]

thy're the best athletes and yet they don't get paid as much

[bigdayve1]

I hope Bas never kicks me

[RUdERAsTamaNNa]

ahahahahha I like the haircut....bass I love you!!!!

[DOUKAAA]

the best style is never exist :)

[bluewhiskey]

there are two roughly equally popular fighting sports in the world now: mma and boxing. half the ppl commenting on this r prolly boxing fans, and theyre all pissed off that its on its way out cuz its dum and artificial: its not how fights really go down. the best boxer in the world will always get his fukn ass owned by any ufc fighter. to all u boxing pussies suck it! boxing is for dum dums like mike tyson who only know how to get mad and punch things no brains required.

[redsmurf02]

i agree mma is superior but the truth of the matter is if u take any top boxing and have them learn ground game they could hold their own in a mma fight. there are aspects especially of tyson's boxing when he was in his prime that could win him a fight against anyone, for example say someone got tyson in the clinch his abnormally close and extremely powerful uppercuts could easily win him the fight or even the power n speed, it really depends b/c when it comes 2 fighting ne1 can beat ne1 anyday

[Iololz]

@redsmurf02 I'm not sure you can say ANY top boxer can compete in MMA in a top tier fashion. In fact, I'd say as many MMA fighters could be top tier boxers as top tier boxers could be MMA fighters. It's all about how you adapt to the sport.

[beefless]

not always, if your on the ground with a jiujitsu master, you just lost the fight. if your standing with a pro boxer or taekwondo master, you just lost the fight.

[StOnion]

Haha, Bas is the man...

"Any last questions?"

Bas: "I like his haircut."

[Xerox20077]

These scientists don't know much about MMA.

[LifestreamQc]

BAS IS A FUCKN BEAST

[31rS3RP3N7]

not alot of people huh, riht. specially those shaolin guys who stand tip toe on pointed needle beds..

[darkreaper91]

i guess the advantage of mma over somthing like karate is that it isn't as formulated

[osirist9]

Exactly, MMA isn't depending on the opponent to move in a certain way, like most martial arts, it means that you can react to whatever happens instead of trying a complex combo that only works if the other guy does exactly what you think he will. That's why martial artist usually lose to a MMA fighter, cause they get hit and can't react to it.

[thuglyf121212]

bas ur crazy mate lool

[LiuCubanito]

Bas Rutten is the man; forget about it...

[SenseiShotokan]

its funny how they try to compare "styles" with one test with 1 person. (They take 1 person from mma and compare the kick with 1 person of kickboxing.) Typical stupidity and low-knowledge of people that do not practice martial arts. That show is biased from the start to the end.

[GanjaGanja89]

i believe they compare the best average that they can....its not practical to take 100 mma fighters and 100 of each art

[SenseiShotokan]

thats right, when you do a "sience test" and you use theory as we gonna compare the best average that "we can", it's pretty biased. I practice Shotokan for many years now, and there is no way someone that practice martial arts, will make those kinds of test and conclude things like boxe = THAT MUCH NUMBER karate = THAT MUCH NUMBER. It's just stupid. It's the fighter! not the art. this is something science had NOTHING to do with! All they can do is show how destructive it is. Not who's "better".

[SenseiShotokan]

you probaly dont practice any martial arts and have an "haverage knowledge" of what is it, or what is it to do a competition. That show is "PRETENDING" that with science test they will show the difference between the styles. That is NOT possible. Those tester in the video have no idea what is it to practice a martial arts. What they needed to do is to show how destructives "martial arts" are. Not coming with stupid things like karate vs taekwondo kick. Another american show for entertainment.

[SenseiShotokan]

The show is simply biased. Any person practicing one of those martial arts presented in "fight science", and practicing it for a long time will tell you. It's biased, they are going far beyond their limit(trying to find what art kick better, punch better and blah blah. You cant do that. all you can do is THAT GUY kick that much, not "taekwondo kick that much, and so he kick stronger than Kung Fu or Karate). This is something Science have nothing to do with.

[GanjaGanja89]

i agree completely but its for entertainment....only with months and months of studying could they come up with something legitimate and worthwhile.....even then it wouldnt all be correct ^^

[SenseiShotokan]

lol exactly!! yes that is what I meant

[TheGr8one1022]

"Any person practicing one of those martial arts presented in "fight science", and practicing it for a long time will tell you" So because you practice a FAKE system you think you know more than science, dummy? Shotokan and other kinds of karate have been proven over and over again to be so fake that I don't even know why you're proud to be a practitioner; this isn't the early '90s anymore, and your fighting system is made for 6 year olds

[SenseiShotokan]

why do I have to listen to someone that never practiced a martial arts like you?XD. I'll tell you one thing, find me "where it has been prooved" that shotokan and other kinds of karate are "fake". Also an advice, you may "think" that it's fake, but please: don't provoke people that practice karate;), this is going your last mistake. One last thing: YES this show is "fake". Made by people like you, that do not know ANYTHING about martial arts. (btw dont even bother replying, you cant teach nting)

[TheGr8one1022]

I practice the ONLY martial art; MMA. There is no other art, only posers that get dominated in the ring. Royce Gracie beat karate guys Hackney, Ichihara, and others. Others just got dominated. Karate legend Benny the Jet Urquidez was beaten by Rorion Gracie in an exhibition, and talked smack after, but then pussied out of a real fight. Don the Dragon Wilson, another legend, pussied out of similar events. Lyoto Machida calls it Karate, but he clearly is not fighting with karate forms.

[SenseiShotokan]

LOL. Listen TheGr8one1022, when you will practice a "martial art" and not a "sport entertainment", come to me. MMA is a "mix" a "melange" of martial arts. It's funny you use the word "MMA" and you don't even know the signification. When you'll learn about "martial arts", come back and we'll talk. See you again.

[SenseiShotokan]

Don't put here people that practice karate and lose in a ring. You are not prooving anything. Finally it's funny that you are not talking the champion George St-Pierre from Quebec Canada, practiced Kyokushin and owning some people there.(that also does not proove anything). So you are losing your time, coming here and explain that some people practicing karate lost in a MMA fight... you are really losing your time XD. An advice: Don't use that belief, to provoke a karateka in the street.

[TheGr8one1022]

Not proving anything? Yes I did; that they lose in fights. GSP isn't known for being a good standup fighter; his karate does not win his fights as you can clearly see. MMA fights are as real as it gets, and Karate always loses. They always say their art is too deadly, why, because you hit people in the groins? You're a bunch of faggots who utilize the one weakness every human as, rather than having a fair fight, and even then, you always get demolished. You break fake wood boards and shit, tool

[SenseiShotokan]

HAHAHAHAHA. Yo you are not going to show me what karate isXD. Don't lose your time on replying meXD cause I wont read your next msgs;). You will provoke people outside and karateka? HAHAHAHA HAVE FUN! "most fight goes to the ground" lmao. What you STILL DON'T understand, is a black belt karate want to FINISH you on the first 2 shots, while YOU want to have a "long fight". You will lose drastically, go try, he will not hit you just to "hurt" like you. He will hit you to FINISH ASAP. good luck btw

[Excel11391]

no sorry its pretty well established that a mixed martial artist is the best hand to hand fighter on the planet one dimensional fighters never last with mixed martial artists

[SenseiShotokan]

btw I've met a lot of people like you, bluffing behind their computer;). Lol he's asking me if I live near Boston, because he KNOW that I do notXD right?:P. I do not fight on the street randomly, I will when it's really "important". People like you, that challenge everything that moves, and ON THE NET..... are in fact coward;). When you are a lethal martial artist(yes I am), you know your strenght, and you do not challenge people. You are "still" trying to proove something to YOURSELF, thats why

[SenseiShotokan]

I already prooved my skills;), and I know what I worth. Keep it up buddyXD. "thegra8one". Oh btw, don't lose your time on replying;).

[SenseiShotokan]

You will have more chances in your "rap Battles".... than against a karateka.

[Gman288]

Dude, Bruce Lee tried too prove that there were flaws in martial arts, but the mysticism and the art aspect of it were important to him. But regardless, His style of fighting was brutal. As are many traditional martial arts. MMA is good, but MMA fighters could be destroyed by traditional martial artists because of the lethality of it.

[SenseiShotokan]

The fact is, this show is biased, for another "americian great entertainement to make more money on TV".

[toddyr14]

No its kajukenpo chuan fa (street fighting kung fu basically)

[MrKevMan]

Im not a fan of MMA. A true MM artist has a black belt in at least 3 styles. That includes learning the Katas, techniques, stances, and the reasoning and application of them as per style. MMA is pretty much frankenstien street fighting. Sure it works, but as a purist its just not what i do.

[1xtra411]

Respect for the people who taught your masters is a rare quality in people. Respecting everyone is even more rare.

[jabjazjabbajazza]

Ha Ha Ha, whatever dick head!

[joshharrop2]

You're very wrong, street fighting it definatley isn't. I've grown up doing martial arts all the way to black belt but I'd never trained harder until I started MMA. Katas and belts mean nothing, we get plenty of traditional black belt level martial artists and they can't even handle our novices.

[MrKevMan]

If you say so.

[irai1984]

hahaah.. seems like tourture with the dummy looking like it has its hands tied behind its back.

[toddyr14]

Wow.. Im in kung fu.. and i dont think you know that shaolin and wushu are essentially the only styles that are more concentrated on forms.. submissive wrestling is a REQUIRMENT in kung fu. We do ALOT of fighting and training.. The kung fu club that im in kills all the other martial arts around us (not stating its the best, but it is the best where i am from) Its meant for street fighting, with perfect fighting form... so nice try with the fake data

[kungfudavid]

MMA is very useful but the foundations are found in the traditional art like muay thai, kungfu and others but those traditonal art is still useful but one is that the MMA doesnt have much reflexes and flexibility as traditional art also is better in battle the MMA just focus knocking one opening using strategy

[HDsharp]

MMA atheletes are just as well conditoned as boxers if thats what you mean, but they're not the more naturally gifted athetles compared to boxers. you can tell by the agility and speed at which they move.. boxers are a lot sharper with movements and speed.

[CoolDojo9000]

I disagree. That is something similar to what the best K-1 guy said of MMAer's. Guess what happened? Get got KO'ed by Allister Overeem.

Best fighters in the world are MMAer's.

[truekarnage]

an athlete is someone is complete in every aspect of his game that is combat here. MMA is far better than boxers. Period

[HDsharp]

yes but not if the mma fighter wasnt allowed to grapple at all and just box. the boxer, I say most boxers are better boxers than mma fighters, cos the better atheletes are still in boxing.

[HDsharp]

they're not the best atheletes around cos most of them are slow , physically they're not the best, compare them with atheletres in boxing, they're sharper and faster even tho they have to wear bigger and heavier boxing gloves, even after all that training ufc atheletes do, physically their performances in speed an agility are average barring a few...what they mostly have is strength and endurance..

[Johnf85]

boxers would pass out with exhuastion if they had to wrestle on the ground for more than 30 seconds. mma is every kind of conditioning out there.

[IsaIMember]

your average boxer run 3 miles a day for conditioning how you gonna say hes gonna get tired a mma flipper wouldnt last 2 min in boxing rules

[GregarRockman]

Letting you know something. MMA fighters only fight for 5 minutes because they would die if they fought as long as boxers. To much moving...boxers only stand, duck weave, and punch. MMA fighters sprawl, do submissions, knee strikes, ducking, punching and host of other things....learn something.

[GregarRockman]

Again, mma fighters have to use footwork as well. Yes boxing is more dangerous, you're taking MULTIPLE decisive concusions, where as MMA you take one concusion, a.k.a a knockdown, and the guy jumps on you for a few seconds and the fight is over, as apposed to you, a boxer, getting up over and over again.

[clayker39]

yea but if you put a boxer against an mma fighter the mma will most likely win because they have ground game as well as kicks,knees,and elbows

[anthonyr1]

theses tests are total bullshit..I mean, the original fight science wasn't accurate at all..no set rules or variables of examples...fuck, of course the boxer in the first one would hit harder than the kung fu guy since he out weighs him by like 100 pounds lol and these people consider themselves scientists...laughable at best

[Johnf85]

i thought it didnt matter the size. isnt that the blabble i hear constantly about bruce lee?? its not size that matters ext... but now it does matter? the kung fu punches are weak regardless of the size of the person. if the boxer through a kung fu punch his punch would be less powerfull than if he through his boxing punch.

[trikytrik6969]

everyone saying they arent athletes are fucking idiots, try getting to the level they are, its no just the fight in the cage that determines weather they are athletes, think about the training, noone in the world can just jump in and do the things they do wothout training... anyway stop talkin shit bout ufc fighters, especially when the ones who are are fuckin little faggots

[HDsharp]

If I was a pro athelete I would shy away..I'm more of an athelete than most of them. you can tell my just how slow they move despite the endless hours they train, the sport is more about endurance and stamina, I think andrei and anderson is only two of the few good atheletes in the ufc..

[HDsharp]

you cant compare data from light weights to heavy weights this research is botched!

[HDsharp]

best athletese my arse! most of them are slow cumberson and only mostly about brute force throw in some knowledge of mixed arts...they're (mostly)  average atheletes with martial arts knowledge!

[asswart555]

dude i would love to see you go toe to toe with any of them

[krungski]

i wish cro cop was there he could kick harder than bas

[Silverfoodog]

This is all fun to watch and that but it is not proveing a very acute result, they only used one person to gather data (that was shown and Bas Rutten is one hell of a striker) and I have never heard of a MMA kick to me it looked like a Muay Thai kick.

I think that this show is just a way to cash in on the MMA craze that's happening now and back then.

[anthonyr1]

'UFC is becoming one of the worlds most popular sports'...the writers should check their facts..UFC isn't a sport, its a promoter and venue for Mixed Martial Arts...and whats with saying an MMA kick is stronger than a muay thai kick...? they're the exact same thing I mean MMA isn't a martial art, its an umbrella term for a fusion of styles

I agree with you about the kicking terms

[DrunkToYourMum]

dam those 2 kicks of the guy in white pants from like 1:10 pownz ass

[Pekeno201]

i find it stupid how they compare mma fighters to toehr art fighters but mma is mixed martials arts....different martials arts that 1 fighter trains into so ....its all teh same it still comes from different arts, mather of fact most of mma fighters will train in muay thai and jiujitsu/wrestling

[Fedewap23]

Mmmm... Bas Rutten, trained Muay Thai...

That is a Muay Thai Kick, Lol

[michael88bjj]

exactly. this doesnt show anything. a muay thai guy is gnna have the best knees and maybe kicks of course, cus thats what he specialises in. MMA- Mixed Martial Arts. so its everything put together

[Kiarip]

wiht the kick... the dummy was strapped to a pole so that it wouldn't recoil.

taht's the reason that the muay thai fighter had the biggest deflection before.

he was kneeing the dummy while holding it still.

I'm pretty sure that the retarded impractical taekwando spinning back kick would actually have more deflection than Bas's roundhouse "mma (lol?)" kick under similar conditions.

But as I said the spinning backkick is both retarded and impractical.

[aa3gunner]

ive seen the spinning backkick used effectively in matches

[tmeezee]

i've seen the spinning back kick used effectively a couple of times before in mma. gsp used it against matt hughes. the spider used it against rich franklin

[Pekeno201]

yeah i disagree the spining back kick can suprise ive seen several fighters use it cunningly, and for that "mma kick" its definetly a muay thai kick, the spinning back kick so called "taekwondo kick" is used in karate, muay thai, kung fu kick boxing and others martial arts, fight science is biased on a lot of aspects, the boxer had the strongest punch, he was also the largest of the participants. They should have provided a force of the strike/weight of the striker ratio

[CoolDojo9000]

MMA fighters are the best fighters on the planet. COMPLETE PACKAGE.

[32spartan11]

mma combines all of these things so comparing strength isnt accross disciplines but of the individual. To test if an mma fighter has the skill of a specialist they should check accuracy not force because every ones force is different and limited to physical characteristics. Which in somecases precision is better than force.

[Himemiya613]

wow this show is dumb. their experiment is so wrong. the muay thai champ looked like he weighed 100lbs less than bas, so obvious that bas would likely have a stronger kick

[aa3gunner]

it boils down to technique....and how wud u know? Are u a scientist?

[kkma1453]

By the way, I don't think Bas hits harder than Tyson, so no he it not better than a top heavyweight boxer.

[CyanideJJ007]

youre retarded

[Diatonic135]

agreed. total retard.

must have been hit by tyson ^.^

[kesslerardon]

Most "Heavyweight boxers" weigh substantially much more than Bas. Since boxers train to hit hard, and Tyson obviously weighs / weighed more than Bas in his prime, his hits should be more powerful, it's a fact. Power = skill, muscle power and weight. You shouldn't underestimate old school boxers because of MMA fighters.

[CoolDojo9000]

You have no idea what kind of crazy power Bas has. Plus, in a real fight, Bas would own Tyson, prime Bas vs. prime Tyson.

[the26thhour]

I'm all MMA but:

Yes Bas's kick was better but watch it again, he puts everything into it, his whole upper body & all full contact fighters r trained to never do that in the ring, cause they'l only get a whip'n. Where's the maui thai guy was doing exactly what he would in the ring, & not only that, once he's locked in, he'll at least get another 2 off. Remember the UFC heavy weight who lost his belt by that french african dude, for that very reason.

Just the facts Mam, just the facts.

[Tampahop]

On a previous show, the best kick was done by a muy thai world champion. Bas kicked harder.

[nairbil]

Bas is a heavyweight. The muy thai fighter is a lightweight. So when you look at it that way, it makes sense...

[lagook]

hahah who cares bas likes his hair cut

hahah thats why i love bas

[HaydenBye2112]

Bas is a middle weight not a heavyweight. he fought above his weight in the ufc.

[kkma1453]

completely agree they are comparing large MMA fighters with smaller fighters from other disciplines. Also I agree with the26thhour as Bas put everything into it when the Maui thai guy kept up a defence.

[bestao3]

but if you watch any of bas's fights, you'll see he really kicks people like that LOL

and if you've watched the show where the muay thai guy kicks the dummy, you'll see that he also put all his strenght on the kick

[kkma1453]

My point was that the Muay Thai guy weighed about half as much as Bas. Its like trying to compare a punch from Tyson with that of Pacquiao. Weight matters! This is completely unscientific.

[CoolDojo9000]

You did not understand the science, clearly.

[MaelMan82]

completely unscientific?

wow what an answer

[tuwharerangi]

this is so licking mma balls. bas can punch as hard as a boxer, but who is the boxer tyson, klitchko, sam peter, tua, lewis no wait for it a big fat nobody. same with the kick get him to go up against bady hari for kick strength

[comerea1]

yeah the compare a kick to a knee come on this is bs

[strangelybrown2003]

the knee beat all of the other kicks from taekwondo, kung fun, karate etc. Bas Ruttens kick beat all the previous kicks and the Muay Thai knee

[comerea1]

no it was the diamter it when it the knee wasnt more powerful then the back kcik

[salvati0n7]

wtf was that? did you just vomit text or what?

[actionmanrandell]

yes but they are not doing proper variables they are using men of different weight and size not men of the same weight and size u take those variables into count then u get proper results