Yes, I understand. I am a christian as well as u. It does not matter what we think is "correct" for the use of Allah in the west. The fact: Arab Christians in Arabic speaking countries use the word Allah to refer to YHWH, and is the word used in the arabic Bible. The concept or nature of Allah for the Arab Christians is different from the Arab Muslims as you pointed out. But the word used is the same, we have to focus on WHO is God rather than what is the name He is called by the Muslims.
thefot, just because you say something is without foundation, that does not make it like so. My arguments are clear and contained in the video and in my subsequent comments. If you have any argument, present it in a honorable way, by replying with commentsor a video. Otherwise you are as you said "almost amusing".
The Muslims has a prophet called Muhammed since then they have named almost every child Muhammed. If indeed Abraham or Ishmael were their prophets you would expect at least ONE person at the time of Muhammed to be called Abraham or Ishmael. When Muhammed told them they are decendents of Abraham I think they would have laughed since the Arabs of Mecca and all Arabs existed long before Abraham was even born, as did the Egyptians, Indonesians and all the rest of the Muslim world.
Why Allah and the Gog from the Bible are not the same God? Expressing your opinion is great, but follow it by argument your points and thoughts. And my friend the Quran mentions Jesus as ISA and Christians as "The People of the Book or the Scriptures".
ISA in the Quran is not God. Jesus is God according to you then ISA is not the same as Jesus. The Quran mentions about "Nasara" or Nazarenes but nothing about "masihiyyun" or Christian.
So NO Jesus or Christians being mentioned in the Quran. Jesus as God is a copycat of Mithras written by St Paul.
I appreciate your comment, but realize you just departed from traditional muslim teachings and you are an inovator, or apostate to the muslims. Sorry is your religion not mine that judge you when you make such a claim about Jesus, christians and Allah.
(Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder) We sent Gabriel with the Qur'an, (and lo! We verily are its) the Qur'an's (Guardian) from satans such that they do not add or diminish from it anything nor change its judgements; it is also said that this means: We are Guardian of Muhammad (pbuh) from the disbelievers and satans. (altafsir [dot] com)
My friend may be I restate my questions, that may be because you repeat the answers that are not consistent with other muslim believes. Like "The Bible was put together carefully by by man, hence is corrupted" and "The Quran was put together carefully by the companions (man) hence is free from corruption". As you can see both premises are contradictory and cant hold as true in the same logical system. You give inconsistent answers, so I challenge you by repeating the unanswered questions.
Placing your full trust on the conpanions of your prophet, is this the way you are sure nobody corrupted the quran, then what makes it different fron the christians perspective according to muslims, that is man corrupted the Bible? Then by your logic, the Bible also is not corrupted? By the way logic is "investigates and classifies the structure of statements and arguments, both through the study of formal systems of inference and through the study of arguments in natural language"
I know Islam, and is pathetic that you as a muslim are so little informed about you faith. It is sad indeed. If you havent question your faith, I suggest you take your own advice and go to one of your scholars and propose the same questions I have and then instruct me in the wisdom the have. You will have some strnage reaction from them when you keep challenging!
My friend, you have to give logic answers. I need to repeat questions that muslims avoid answering properly, avoidion the answers with rethoric and soft answers. You have to know your faith and question it. You are repeating yourself and using the same stories that are weak and only believable to muslims. Learn to question and analyse, this is basic for a "logical" religion Islam proposes to be.
Can "the prophet" plant any thing in the hearts of men? This is something that only God can do. Even if he inspired in human terms the men who followed him, there is no way he could have confirm what was on their minds or hearts when he was alive, even less after he DIED, unless you think he is GOD. The reality is that soon after the death of the prophet the recited Quran started to deteriorate and several versions of it began to arise, hence the written version was invented.
If it was so hard to make mistakes then why put it in writing? When you memorize the Quran you dont need the written book. You memorize it with the sound, no matter were you are from or your original dialect. This is what is happening today. So your argument about the dialects and the tribes is not strong. The real justification has to be something else. If you know arabic, you now that the "harakat" or the "vowel sounds" changes the meaning of a phrase.
Then, the Quran HAS BEEN HANDELED by MAN. The same happened to the Bible, yet your scholars say it has been changed. We can assume then that the Quran has a higher probability of being changed because as the Muslim empire was growing, whoever controlled the final contents of the Quran, would have political and religious. This "blind trust" you have on the companions and memorizers of the prophets is the same "blind faith" we have on the apostles (Paul included) and the Fathers of the Church.
My friend johnabraham, if it is your faith and religion, you MUST be able to defend it WITH LOGIC and PROOF BEYOND ANY DOUBT. It Muslims who say Islam is the most logic religion. My references are from Islamic sources, like islamonline. Using a little thinking you find out thinks you hold as strong truth, are weak and can't withstand strong scrutiny. You need to see that is not logical and contradictory to say the Quran has never changed and that dotting and harakat were added 100 yrs later.
That is very interesting; the "perfect" Arabic used for the first oral memorization really needed "improvements", since it could easily be pronounced differently, according to the tribe. Allah missed that one! I thought Arabs were experts in memorizing thousands of poems without changing them, it looks like the Quran was different, either weaker or more subject to change than other oral recitations of its time. Adding something to the Quran proposes the possibility of more additions or changes.
Can you be sure that these companions "memorized" everything right? Or you just believe it "blindly". Can Mohammad or any men under that "stressful, uncontrolled, almost epileptic, burden of revelation" take a few moments to "memorize" the revelation? I am really confused is you argument in favor or against the Quran? I wonder?
WHY it is "unconceivable" that the companions will take lightly the compilation of the Quran? Were all of them "morally perfect"? In an empire built on the Quran, wouldn't a companion with an agenda find it easy to control the EMPIRE by CONTROLING and CHANGING what the Quran said? Who will stop him? Allah? Then why Allah did not stopped the people that CHANGE the Bible? Does Allah change? If he changes his protection about his MESSAGE, can he change again and not protect the Quran? I wonder?
My friend the "Uthuman" Quran, if it exist, CAN HAVE HARAKATs OR DOTS! The "dots" were introduce by Abu Al-Aswad Al Doaly during the time of Mu'awiya Ibn Abi Sufian (661-680 CE), 5 years after Uthuman was dead, and harakat were introduced by Al Khaleel Ibn Ahmad Al Faraheedy around (d. 786 CE) MORE THAN 100 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF UTHUMAN! Please check your sources (check Islamonline!)
Let assume there is a "first century manuscript" and that the modern Quran is an EXACT copy of it. Then we say then the Quran is a MANMADE BOOK, not really made by the prophet or supervised by him (he could not read to proofread it and he was already dead by the time it was finally compiled). And WHY did the companions felt necessary to CHANGE their view of making a transcript of the Quran? May be there were SEVERAL versions of the Quran (oral and written) going around those days? I wonder?
That is not the piont answer the question, is the Bible hear say, then can we say the Quran is to a hear say since it was not written DIRECTLY by Muhammad? (This will be your last time to answer, next time we debate on the subject of the video)
According to Islamic sources the text was firs compliled nineteen years after the death of Muhammad by Uthman, because there were subtancially different oral versions of the Quran. After this all other version were ordered to be burned. There is no, I mean no original copies first islamic century of the Quran available today no were in the world.
johnabraham1989, about claiming being guided by the Holy spirit is a blind faith, then what would you say is writting or memorizing an alleaged message from God, given by a Angel you cant see is?
johnabraham1989, about the many stories of Jesus, you are confused, the Gospels were always the same, late Gospels were rejected for the same reason you gave "ppl have never even met Jesus" can't write about him unless they take the story from a primary source (eyewitness). If I recall, the Quran also was recorded from "hear say" that is from memory recitals, since it was not written by Mohammad himself, nor checked by him. Can I discount the Quran as a "rumor" also?
My friend johnabraham1989, if early christians dont have the right to say which are the word of God and which arent, then the same applies to early muslims, since the current Quran was finalized (harakat and placed in one volume written form) after the death of Mohammad and done by people who never met him! Look at your history!
IF the God's are the same, then why does one HATE Jews while the other claims they are HIS? The same God would not make a strong contradictions. Jesus was a JEW. So how could this 'phuh' say that Jesus was not God, when God sent his ONLY SON? But Allah Had none. Makes no sense.
dry, The answer is that Allah in the begining was not the same as the Jewish YHWH. Allah or "The god" was a pagan god of commerce with daughter. Allah evolved into the " one god" of the Muslims, so he actually evolved (in the minds of the Muslims scholars that is) until it reached the state or level of YHWH. So now there is no practical difference between YHWH and Allah. Even Christians in arabic speaking countries refer to God as Allah.
Answer the question, if the Bible was the same message originally (Islam) but now is currupted, who is responsible Allah or Man. If the verses from the Bible that I used are corrupted, then which ones are not? How can you determine them, by logic or by picking and choosing the ones you what? If Allah never changes then the promise made in the Quran to protect his "reminders" apply to ALL his reminders (Torah, ingil and Quran) since all of them according to Islam are the same originally.
No use to argue if you have already are not willing to question what you know as truth. Dismissing these Bible verses as corrupted, makes your case about the Quran weaker, not stronger. If the Qur'an was given to correct the previous reminders, whats the logic for its use? Simple logic: 1.if The Bible is in disagreement with the Quran, then Quran is right 2.If the Bible is in agreement with the Quran then BOTH are right. It seams that you just CHOOSE according to what you want not by logic.
Also if the previous reminders "contained" the message of Islam, Allah did not promised to keep them pure then: Allah is responsible for the corruption of his message by inaction or Allah is NOT the same God of the Bible, hence can not keep promises he did not made (in other words, the Quran did not came to correct the Bible, and both books are not related) When using logic you can not pick and choose, THINK!
interesting, how can the quran say the torah and gospel is the word but it is corrupted, unless the WORD the scriptures talk about isnt literally a book but within, the word we hear within.
no these verses say the word of our God stands forever, how can the word be the scriptures when they have been corrupted, why did God not keep the torah perfect? why would he be any different with the quran? scriptures have the word but scriptures can change. The word is within.
killakadafi, ypu are bringing a different element to the discusion. And sincirely, no muslim, christian or athiest will agree with you. If this "word" within is the only thing we need, all sounds ok, but has no practical implications, and it finally ends up as every human is a god or God, everyman for itself. This is the original sin of man, he wanted to be like God. Sorry try to work wit the subject on the video.
the subject is if scripture is perfect, its not, i dont think im God and believing that heaven is within doesnt make me think that, scriptures are there as a guide but following them doesnt guarantee heaven, you must find God and this cant be done by rituals but being true and abandoning the human ego, Is Allah the same God of the bible, no because muslims claim the bible is corrupted, they say Allah is the same God as Abraham. i will never teach that humans are God or self sufficient, we arent.
5/5, yessua9ibnallah. We had the same debate at faithfreedom forum in Nov. Thread is called "Can the Prior Scriptures Really be Corrupted?" During it, "Tashit" searched his own Qu'ran,& found 21 ayahs saying that prior Scripture was NOT corrupted; instead, that people read them wrong. If you or anyone else pm's me I'll send the link. Comments can't accept links. Many devout Moslems frequent faithfreedom. (Islamic forums don't allow such frank discussion.) Thank you.
Allah can't be the same god as the Bible because Allah had no sons on to save
humaity but Yahweh did. :)
DryBONESreborn 2 years ago
Yes, I understand. I am a christian as well as u. It does not matter what we think is "correct" for the use of Allah in the west. The fact: Arab Christians in Arabic speaking countries use the word Allah to refer to YHWH, and is the word used in the arabic Bible. The concept or nature of Allah for the Arab Christians is different from the Arab Muslims as you pointed out. But the word used is the same, we have to focus on WHO is God rather than what is the name He is called by the Muslims.
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
If allah were God then Yeshua(JESUS)
would be His Prophet and not Muhammed and all moslems would love the jewish people as all true christians do.
sharvagh2 2 years ago
shar, you have a point, but it is our view of the nature of Allah (or God, YHWH as you please) is what differentiates us from the muslim view of God.
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
JohnAbraham1989,
These arent questions that anyone with even a little Islamic knowledge would bother to consider.
There is no clear thought, logic and definitely no cogent argument presented. Just conjecture disguised by logic. Almost amusing.
thefotfoundation 2 years ago
thefot, just because you say something is without foundation, that does not make it like so. My arguments are clear and contained in the video and in my subsequent comments. If you have any argument, present it in a honorable way, by replying with commentsor a video. Otherwise you are as you said "almost amusing".
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
The Muslims has a prophet called Muhammed since then they have named almost every child Muhammed. If indeed Abraham or Ishmael were their prophets you would expect at least ONE person at the time of Muhammed to be called Abraham or Ishmael. When Muhammed told them they are decendents of Abraham I think they would have laughed since the Arabs of Mecca and all Arabs existed long before Abraham was even born, as did the Egyptians, Indonesians and all the rest of the Muslim world.
GodIsOne777 3 years ago
wrong jesus is in the quran & some people say jesus is god he is the son of god not god himself
awesome3468 3 years ago
awesome, This vid is about Allah being the same God of the Bible, not about Jesus being or not being God. Please debate on the subject.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
pixel, You are invited to make a contribution on the subject. Blessings!
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Is Allah the same God of the Bible?
Nope. Jesus cannot be God. If you think Jesus is God then Adam is better than him.
And the Quran never mention Jesus name or about Christians.
truthdispatcher 3 years ago
Why Allah and the Gog from the Bible are not the same God? Expressing your opinion is great, but follow it by argument your points and thoughts. And my friend the Quran mentions Jesus as ISA and Christians as "The People of the Book or the Scriptures".
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
ISA in the Quran is not God. Jesus is God according to you then ISA is not the same as Jesus. The Quran mentions about "Nasara" or Nazarenes but nothing about "masihiyyun" or Christian.
So NO Jesus or Christians being mentioned in the Quran. Jesus as God is a copycat of Mithras written by St Paul.
truthdispatcher 3 years ago
I appreciate your comment, but realize you just departed from traditional muslim teachings and you are an inovator, or apostate to the muslims. Sorry is your religion not mine that judge you when you make such a claim about Jesus, christians and Allah.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
The bible says that jesus is the second Adam and better than Adam since he did what the first Adam could not. That was live a perfect ,sin free life.
futureseven 2 years ago
Future it seams that dispatcher has to learn about his own religion before he sets sail to criticize Christianity. In time he will learn.
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
Dude your right.
futureseven 2 years ago
I feel after having view this video that you should really apply this to yourself.
I find the same pattern. False assumption, erroneous argument and then false conclusion.
Surah 15:2 "...These are the verses of The Book and a plain Quran..."
Surah 15:6 "And they say : "Oh you (Muhammad) to whom The Dhikr (Quran) has been sent down! Verily you are a madman!"."
So your assumption that the protection verse 15:9 is general is palpably false.
Any subsequent analysis and conclusion likewise.
thefotfoundation 2 years ago
As replied, the tafsir ibn abbas says:
(Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder) We sent Gabriel with the Qur'an, (and lo! We verily are its) the Qur'an's (Guardian) from satans such that they do not add or diminish from it anything nor change its judgements; it is also said that this means: We are Guardian of Muhammad (pbuh) from the disbelievers and satans. (altafsir [dot] com)
You tell me... if your tafsir is also false.
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
My friend may be I restate my questions, that may be because you repeat the answers that are not consistent with other muslim believes. Like "The Bible was put together carefully by by man, hence is corrupted" and "The Quran was put together carefully by the companions (man) hence is free from corruption". As you can see both premises are contradictory and cant hold as true in the same logical system. You give inconsistent answers, so I challenge you by repeating the unanswered questions.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Placing your full trust on the conpanions of your prophet, is this the way you are sure nobody corrupted the quran, then what makes it different fron the christians perspective according to muslims, that is man corrupted the Bible? Then by your logic, the Bible also is not corrupted? By the way logic is "investigates and classifies the structure of statements and arguments, both through the study of formal systems of inference and through the study of arguments in natural language"
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
I know Islam, and is pathetic that you as a muslim are so little informed about you faith. It is sad indeed. If you havent question your faith, I suggest you take your own advice and go to one of your scholars and propose the same questions I have and then instruct me in the wisdom the have. You will have some strnage reaction from them when you keep challenging!
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
My friend, you have to give logic answers. I need to repeat questions that muslims avoid answering properly, avoidion the answers with rethoric and soft answers. You have to know your faith and question it. You are repeating yourself and using the same stories that are weak and only believable to muslims. Learn to question and analyse, this is basic for a "logical" religion Islam proposes to be.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Can "the prophet" plant any thing in the hearts of men? This is something that only God can do. Even if he inspired in human terms the men who followed him, there is no way he could have confirm what was on their minds or hearts when he was alive, even less after he DIED, unless you think he is GOD. The reality is that soon after the death of the prophet the recited Quran started to deteriorate and several versions of it began to arise, hence the written version was invented.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
If it was so hard to make mistakes then why put it in writing? When you memorize the Quran you dont need the written book. You memorize it with the sound, no matter were you are from or your original dialect. This is what is happening today. So your argument about the dialects and the tribes is not strong. The real justification has to be something else. If you know arabic, you now that the "harakat" or the "vowel sounds" changes the meaning of a phrase.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Then, the Quran HAS BEEN HANDELED by MAN. The same happened to the Bible, yet your scholars say it has been changed. We can assume then that the Quran has a higher probability of being changed because as the Muslim empire was growing, whoever controlled the final contents of the Quran, would have political and religious. This "blind trust" you have on the companions and memorizers of the prophets is the same "blind faith" we have on the apostles (Paul included) and the Fathers of the Church.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
My friend johnabraham, if it is your faith and religion, you MUST be able to defend it WITH LOGIC and PROOF BEYOND ANY DOUBT. It Muslims who say Islam is the most logic religion. My references are from Islamic sources, like islamonline. Using a little thinking you find out thinks you hold as strong truth, are weak and can't withstand strong scrutiny. You need to see that is not logical and contradictory to say the Quran has never changed and that dotting and harakat were added 100 yrs later.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
That is very interesting; the "perfect" Arabic used for the first oral memorization really needed "improvements", since it could easily be pronounced differently, according to the tribe. Allah missed that one! I thought Arabs were experts in memorizing thousands of poems without changing them, it looks like the Quran was different, either weaker or more subject to change than other oral recitations of its time. Adding something to the Quran proposes the possibility of more additions or changes.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Can you be sure that these companions "memorized" everything right? Or you just believe it "blindly". Can Mohammad or any men under that "stressful, uncontrolled, almost epileptic, burden of revelation" take a few moments to "memorize" the revelation? I am really confused is you argument in favor or against the Quran? I wonder?
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
WHY it is "unconceivable" that the companions will take lightly the compilation of the Quran? Were all of them "morally perfect"? In an empire built on the Quran, wouldn't a companion with an agenda find it easy to control the EMPIRE by CONTROLING and CHANGING what the Quran said? Who will stop him? Allah? Then why Allah did not stopped the people that CHANGE the Bible? Does Allah change? If he changes his protection about his MESSAGE, can he change again and not protect the Quran? I wonder?
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
My friend the "Uthuman" Quran, if it exist, CAN HAVE HARAKATs OR DOTS! The "dots" were introduce by Abu Al-Aswad Al Doaly during the time of Mu'awiya Ibn Abi Sufian (661-680 CE), 5 years after Uthuman was dead, and harakat were introduced by Al Khaleel Ibn Ahmad Al Faraheedy around (d. 786 CE) MORE THAN 100 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF UTHUMAN! Please check your sources (check Islamonline!)
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
Let assume there is a "first century manuscript" and that the modern Quran is an EXACT copy of it. Then we say then the Quran is a MANMADE BOOK, not really made by the prophet or supervised by him (he could not read to proofread it and he was already dead by the time it was finally compiled). And WHY did the companions felt necessary to CHANGE their view of making a transcript of the Quran? May be there were SEVERAL versions of the Quran (oral and written) going around those days? I wonder?
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
That is not the piont answer the question, is the Bible hear say, then can we say the Quran is to a hear say since it was not written DIRECTLY by Muhammad? (This will be your last time to answer, next time we debate on the subject of the video)
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
johnabraham, please your next comment should be about the subject of the debate.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
According to Islamic sources the text was firs compliled nineteen years after the death of Muhammad by Uthman, because there were subtancially different oral versions of the Quran. After this all other version were ordered to be burned. There is no, I mean no original copies first islamic century of the Quran available today no were in the world.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
johnabraham1989, about claiming being guided by the Holy spirit is a blind faith, then what would you say is writting or memorizing an alleaged message from God, given by a Angel you cant see is?
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
johnabraham1989, about the many stories of Jesus, you are confused, the Gospels were always the same, late Gospels were rejected for the same reason you gave "ppl have never even met Jesus" can't write about him unless they take the story from a primary source (eyewitness). If I recall, the Quran also was recorded from "hear say" that is from memory recitals, since it was not written by Mohammad himself, nor checked by him. Can I discount the Quran as a "rumor" also?
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
My friend johnabraham1989, if early christians dont have the right to say which are the word of God and which arent, then the same applies to early muslims, since the current Quran was finalized (harakat and placed in one volume written form) after the death of Mohammad and done by people who never met him! Look at your history!
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
IF the God's are the same, then why does one HATE Jews while the other claims they are HIS? The same God would not make a strong contradictions. Jesus was a JEW. So how could this 'phuh' say that Jesus was not God, when God sent his ONLY SON? But Allah Had none. Makes no sense.
DryBONESreborn 3 years ago
dry, The answer is that Allah in the begining was not the same as the Jewish YHWH. Allah or "The god" was a pagan god of commerce with daughter. Allah evolved into the " one god" of the Muslims, so he actually evolved (in the minds of the Muslims scholars that is) until it reached the state or level of YHWH. So now there is no practical difference between YHWH and Allah. Even Christians in arabic speaking countries refer to God as Allah.
yessua9ibnallah 2 years ago
Answer the question, if the Bible was the same message originally (Islam) but now is currupted, who is responsible Allah or Man. If the verses from the Bible that I used are corrupted, then which ones are not? How can you determine them, by logic or by picking and choosing the ones you what? If Allah never changes then the promise made in the Quran to protect his "reminders" apply to ALL his reminders (Torah, ingil and Quran) since all of them according to Islam are the same originally.
yessua9ibnallah 4 years ago
No use to argue if you have already are not willing to question what you know as truth. Dismissing these Bible verses as corrupted, makes your case about the Quran weaker, not stronger. If the Qur'an was given to correct the previous reminders, whats the logic for its use? Simple logic: 1.if The Bible is in disagreement with the Quran, then Quran is right 2.If the Bible is in agreement with the Quran then BOTH are right. It seams that you just CHOOSE according to what you want not by logic.
yessua9ibnallah 4 years ago
Also if the previous reminders "contained" the message of Islam, Allah did not promised to keep them pure then: Allah is responsible for the corruption of his message by inaction or Allah is NOT the same God of the Bible, hence can not keep promises he did not made (in other words, the Quran did not came to correct the Bible, and both books are not related) When using logic you can not pick and choose, THINK!
yessua9ibnallah 4 years ago
interesting, how can the quran say the torah and gospel is the word but it is corrupted, unless the WORD the scriptures talk about isnt literally a book but within, the word we hear within.
killakadafi77 4 years ago
can you be more clear, what is currupted, the Quran, the Bible or the "voice within"
yessua9ibnallah 4 years ago
no these verses say the word of our God stands forever, how can the word be the scriptures when they have been corrupted, why did God not keep the torah perfect? why would he be any different with the quran? scriptures have the word but scriptures can change. The word is within.
killakadafi77 4 years ago
killakadafi, ypu are bringing a different element to the discusion. And sincirely, no muslim, christian or athiest will agree with you. If this "word" within is the only thing we need, all sounds ok, but has no practical implications, and it finally ends up as every human is a god or God, everyman for itself. This is the original sin of man, he wanted to be like God. Sorry try to work wit the subject on the video.
yessua9ibnallah 4 years ago
the subject is if scripture is perfect, its not, i dont think im God and believing that heaven is within doesnt make me think that, scriptures are there as a guide but following them doesnt guarantee heaven, you must find God and this cant be done by rituals but being true and abandoning the human ego, Is Allah the same God of the bible, no because muslims claim the bible is corrupted, they say Allah is the same God as Abraham. i will never teach that humans are God or self sufficient, we arent.
killakadafi77 4 years ago
killakadafi, thanks for clarifying and keeping within the subject.
yessua9ibnallah 3 years ago
5/5, yessua9ibnallah. We had the same debate at faithfreedom forum in Nov. Thread is called "Can the Prior Scriptures Really be Corrupted?" During it, "Tashit" searched his own Qu'ran,& found 21 ayahs saying that prior Scripture was NOT corrupted; instead, that people read them wrong. If you or anyone else pm's me I'll send the link. Comments can't accept links. Many devout Moslems frequent faithfreedom. (Islamic forums don't allow such frank discussion.) Thank you.
brainouty 4 years ago