It's kinda ignorant to say it's a lie. Because the only reason you feel this "pain" is caused purely by your emotions, wich are subjective.
You cannot blame people for not having the exact same emotional connections to something you have, there are tons of people who feel the same pain for something that you might find normal, and fine, and you will tell them that its fine.
Try to look at the true cause of the pain, wich is your mental state, and you might find help.
The lie is not based on my emotions. The lie I was fed was that I was aborting tissue, NOT human life. The truth is I am the mother to 3 beings that matter & I believe live on. You may believe differently but to the core of my being I now know, and yes, after research & years of pain that substantiated my belief now, that I ended 3 lives. This is what I have to live with... the emotions are just the aftermath. As far as finding help...I have, thank you. Oh and wich is spelled which.
@Harresd Don`t lie OK? If it`s a true what you are saying tell my why people whose mothers wanted to abort them or tried to do it, but,luckily,unsuccessfully,feel the effects of it? Why they can`t have a normal lives? Why do some of them feel that they are not needed even though them parents loves them and cares very much or even has a physical diseases which are incurable?
Is the money more important than the life?Is it better to live in a lie and have lots of than to be free living in a true?
@Harresd I can`t understand,how people can still live in this big lie, even when it is clearly seen that it is an obvious lie? How can they let to make a fool of themselves so easily?
I love it when women finally come forward about the pain. It gives me hope that one day, whether soon or after my death, abortion will become illegal and that thousands of women will never have to feel your pain.
I am very sorry for what you had to go through... you did the right thing by posting this video because a lot of women don't understand the horrors of abortion until after it happens.
May God help us all. There are unborn Children dieing daily. Many! The numbers are in the many thousands. I wish as many people fought for their lives as those who fight for Pro Choice. No anger or discord in my heart, just sadness. We all have a choice to be careful while having sex. I do understand that some do not have that choice. I am a victim of a sexual assault myself. That is a whole different discussion for another day. Still no one deserves to die for someone elses action. God Bless.
@jesusisbling what do you mean 'your god', He is your God too, He is the ONLY God. I don't have to explain God's actions, but there is one thing i am utterly certain of, you will have to explain yours.. God bless you, may Christ guide you into all Truth.
you are a beautiful daughter of the most high God. you have forgiveness in Jesus Christ if you repent with sincerity. your children are in Heaven, all children go to heaven for such is the kingdom of God. i was an atheist and pro choice for 25 years, i had an abortion with my girlfriend which lead me to Christ and forgiveness. Please read the book of John.
@johnchapterseventeen Can your god do ANYTHING that without a god could not be possible? Even IF there were an initial creator (no evidence so far) would it REALLY be micromanaging human life and whispering in YOUR ear?? Sanity, ah there's the rub...
Beware the user angelshoulders- a demon in disguise who claims to be pro'life', yet claims children CHOOSE to be aubsed, who has deliberately mocked child aubse, poverty, and teen homelessness for the sake of defending a political stance- whether you are prochoice or prolife, we can BOTH agree that children do not CHOOSE to be abused, correct? The proof if in my video 'why i am prochoice'- screencaps of the comments she denied ever posting to me! What monster would support child abuse?!
Whether the parents used birth control or not, failed bc is no license for them to kill the baby that they themselves helped to create. You can bet that if one partner knew the other had AIDS, there would be no failure! But because THEIR lives are not on the line, they can afford to be careless I guess?!? There would be some control going on out there and abortions would be a thing in our dark, depressing, history. Do you see how selfish this is?!? Their baby's life for a moment of lust?
If you were about to have sex w/someone and you were told by them that they had AIDS, would you use a condom & go ahead? No? Why? Because that would be YOUR life on the line. But if you were about to have sex w/someone and were told they could get pregnant & you would be responsible for the new baby's life, would you put on a condom & go ahead. Yes? Why? Because that would NOT be YOUR life on the line! Little selfish?Mom & dad 'chose' to get their rocks off, baby pays ultimate price!
Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
And of those mother's who legally murder their babies that are over the age of teen?Do you have stats on that?Do you have their excuses for killing their own babies? 'There is no excuse! If the mother does not kill the baby, will the baby surely kill her(as in self defense)? Then what other right, reason, excuse would a mother have for killing her own flesh and blood, the baby she herself helped to create?
The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
How many children have you adopted? How many organizations are you contributing to that help the born children on this planet that could use your help and love? Unborn living human beings are 'on this planet'. I don't see how mother's legally murdering the babies that they themselves helped to create, bring food,love and help to others?!? Do you? Please explain how killing helps anyone else!!
Just because killing of children is legal does not make it any less wrong. These mother's sign for the extermination of their own flesh and blood baby. The only difference between killing an unborn human and a born human is place of residence and age. Apparently women are not taking care of their vag, other wise abortion would no longer be needed! Learn to take responsibility for your own actions. Misery loves company, no one wants to be in the minority, so I see why you encourage!
The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
To make absolutely sure that future generations have proof that women are the ones responsible for all of the killing they demand that a woman (ONLY a woman) sign the order of execution before a member of the AMA will perform the killing.That is to say that every child that is killed by a member of the American Medical Association has a woman's signature associated with the killing. Without this "mandatory" signature of a woman (the mother), the child gets to live.
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So, not only are children being killed by the American Medical Association, but women are being placed in a situation where they MUST accept the blame because it was "their" choice, not a man's. And if you want to see actual proof that it was a woman's choice all you have to do is refer to the millions upon millions of signatures on the orders of execution - each and every one of them belonging to a woman
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In a study of teenage abortion patients, half suffered a worsening of psychosocial functioning within 7 months after the abortion. The immediate impact appeared to be greatest on the patients who were under 17 years of age and for those with previous psychosocial problems. Symptoms included: self-reproach, depression, social regression, withdrawal, obsession with need to become pregnant again, and hasty marriages.
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According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute,in 2005,1.21 million abortions took place in the U.S. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16-20 weeks pregnant;over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks or more into their pregnancy.According to CDC government data,over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had 3 or more previous abortion.
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What Motivates Pro-Choice Women?How many pro-choice women in the USA have had abortions?According to the Allan Guttmacher Institute,at least one out of almost every three women,or at least over 3 out of every 10,aged 15 through 65,has had an abortion in the USA. Since,as a rule of thumb,approximately half of the women in the USA are pro-life versus pro-choice;then we estimate that over 3 out of every 5 pro-choice women, aged 15 through 65, has had an abortion in the USA.
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Abortions are done mostly for non-medical reasons. As the abortion industry itself admits on the website of the Alan Guttmacher Institute,"3/4 say they cannot afford a child;3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work,school or the ability to care for dependents;& half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner."
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"...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so probably, does everyone else. One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive Director, NATIONAL COALITION OFABORTION PROVIDERS, New York Times, 26 February 1997
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Pro-life Americans should vigorously oppose any federal ‘health care reform’ legislation that does not explicitly exclude abortion from the scope of any government-defined or government-mandated package of health care services.Go to National Right to Life and with just a click you can let your senators and congressmen know how you feel. They represent US and then forward the form to everyone you know. We can turn this thing
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RACISM Abortion is a vehicle of racism and sexism. Obama, by exporting abortions to the third world, is actively supporting the extermination of the African people with who he clams to identify. He is a liar
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a Nazi sympathizer. Her aim was the reduction of the African American population by abortion. Someone as erudite as Obama should know that. ? If he does, then he's a hypocrite. If he does not, then he is a fool.
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It is a really bazaar thing and perhaps you can answer this question for me. Why is it that prodeath ppl don't include photo's of aborted babies to prove that they are not human beings and that this practice of killing babies should be promoted and encouraged? PLEASE ANSWER!
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What is it about humans that separates us from the animal kingdom? I believe it is our superior ability to reason abstractly,come to conclusions,express those conclusions, influence our environment,& also the ability to communicate through language.You are a human if you have these abilities (older children and adults) or will develop these abilities (infants). By my definition the fetus is human because it will develop these abilities.
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A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.) Key phrase- "another species". The Embryo/fetus is always human.
Google "Why the Embryo or Fetus Is Not a Parasite"
for why your position is inaccurate, educate yourself.
In other words, people don't want to be held accountable for their actions. If this were the case, people shouldn't be given DUI's because they were drinking to have fun, why should they be punished with a DUI? Because it's a decisoin they make knowing full well the consequences if they get caught. It's amazing to me that we even need to tell some people this.
You frequently reproach pro-lifers for not being willing to adopt every potential aborted baby. No one person can adopt the millions of infants aborted every year. To throw in hyperbole and then berate their inability to fulfill an unreasonable statement is ridiculous. The moral question of society's responsibility of adoption is immaterial to the debate of abortion itself.?
Like the word toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at a particular stages of development. The word embryo is used of any living creature at an eraly stage of development. Fetus is a Latin word meaning "young one" or "litte child" It is scientifically in accurate to say an embryo or a fetus is not a human being simply because he is at an earlier stage of development than a born infant
I have read babies compared to parasites,tumors,trees&insects! These things will never be born,laugh,love, or check you out at the grocers. You can dehumanize the baby all you want but that zygote,embryo,fetus,glob of cells or whatever you want to call it will laugh,dance and sing.It is a living human being,be it very young!!
Amen, I watched Maafa21 and got so sick I had to stop. They wanted to kill the people of color--since they couldn't just kill them on the streets, they targeted their future generations through centralizing the abortion clinics in their neighborhoods.
--I suggest you watch the video Maafa21--about the history of the eugenics movement in America. Margaret Sanger, an avowed racist, and a founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted people of color eliminated BEFORE they were born--because they couldn't out and out just murder children and adults. Is it any wonder that, say in my city, the 2 biggest abortion clinics (up to 24 weeks) are centrally located in the black community.
READ ON READERS!! On the video:Pro-life Anti-Abortion Video: Development of the Unborn Baby ryddelwearsahat said:
@chitownaztec Just so you know, the attitudes of certain so-called pro'life' nazis are making me seriously re-consider finishing this pregnancy.So is the kicking.If you don't want 'blood of babies' on your keyboard,watch your shit with me.Bcuase i'm enough of a bitch to do it- and chances are,your taxes will pay for it.
"While you pro/no/life people were insulting the pro choice folks & patting each other on the back on this stupid site, there are 3700 abortions happening in america each day. You havent stopped a one. Mission accomplished.
What? Insulting the pro-choice people? Have you read these posts? Can't even have a meaningful dialogue without the hateful comments spewed. I wish youtube had a decent moderator so adults on both sides could actually speak to each other with respect. It's not a stupid site, either.
Poor demonjaws, spamming overused, lie-riddled spam repeatedly to bully and emotionally manipulate others. Too bad she thinks children CHOOSE to be abused- no WONDER she's so depserate to deface, control, and emotionally harm others- ANYONE who thinks children CHOOSE TO BE ABUSED is a psychotic monster- lock it up, shoot it in the head, or call the cops or the paddy wagon, PLEASE! I wonder how much she beat her rape-child? Did he 'choose' for her to hurt him?
look at this incredibly dumb whore regurgitating over and over again puke we have been seeing her write for years! and it has gotten her totally NOWHERE. abortion is still legal, more and more people are determined to support our right to a safe and legal abortion.
ha! ha! demon shoulders; we are PRO-CHOICE. yea i know you don't like it: tough shit. you have a lot of nerve dictating what should and should not go on in another womans womb. and will you carry this baby for her? will you feed, clothe, house and nourish it? will you give one dime to the care of this child? no you won't and you can't. get over it. in coutnries where abortion is illegal, tons of women still obtain them. can't keep us from using our divine right.
@dragonpat666 You always do this same nonsense.Name call, insult, start slinging poo! I do feed,clothe,house and nourish these mother's who chose life for their babies & for those who chose death, I offer counseling.Just because abortion is legal, as of now, no I can't stop mother's from killing their own flesh & blood babies, the babies they themselves helped to create by their actions or lack of actions.Hiring an abortionist to forcibly enter their wombs w/the cold steel instruments.
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened. When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term. When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense) that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable, the mother should be spared. You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
@angelshoulders you dorn right. we as women decide which of our offspring we will allow to live and which we cannot afford to birth. it is our god-given right and nothing loonies such as yourself can do about that. you just need to keep helping the women who bring children into this world that they can ill afford to properly care for. thats what your lot is for. you are good for absolutely NOTHING else.
What makes you think that our compassion is limited to the deaths of our precious living unborn babies? What makes you think that we are not relieving the suffering of the poor? Just b/c some people have killed abortionists and bombed clinics does not mean that all prolifers do it. Be reasonable, quit generalizing. Seriously!! Those are ridiculous statements. Are pro death organizations out there counseling mother's who have legally murdered thier babies?? Doubt it,ask PP
Wait wait wait... THREE abortions? Then this video talks about lies? Crying, regreting what she did? Now how are the circumstances to why the abortions came about? Now, this isn't one abortion... It's three. Heard of birth control?
I believe you. I have a good friend that feels the same as you but I know many that feel the same as I do. I still believe you are a Mom to one child that never got a chance as I am to three. I also believe I will meet them some day and they will greet me with open arms, filled with forgiveness and grace. I'm healing... THANK GOD! Blessings to you Ryddel.
Psalm 103:11-12-For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
@TheUrbancitydweller what are you talking about? forgive these folks for what? im not holding anything against anyone. maybe they should forgive themselves.
@dragonpat666 Abortion exploits mother's of living unborn human babies. It is all about the money. You want to be prolife, here is a start, quit condoning, supporting, defending and encouraging the legal murder of millions of our most defenselss humans on the planet! Wash their blood off your hands and have some compassion for your fellow man!
@angelshoulders prochoice IS compassion you nitwit. if you had half a brain maybe you would be able to see that. there is no blood on my hands but there is mountains of blood on the hands of prolife people who allow women to die rather then abort an 11 week old pregnancy that is killing her! you have blood on your hands from all the women who have died trying to obtain an abortion in an illegal and hostile anti-abortion enviornment. only a FOOL would take the unborn before the born.
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
@angelshoulders its not about the money you dumb bitch! women have been seeking to control our fertility before and after the fact for THOUSANDS of years. aborting is nothing new and will be here 10,000 years later when your pathetic ass is dead and gone!
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
@angelshoulders no one has the right to live inside you, feed off you and feed off your sustenance for 9 months. that is really the bottom line. if i must absolutely allow an unwanted presence inside me to feed and live off me then it is safe also to say i must give up a kidney if someone else needs it cause my body was made to suffice for another and i have no choice in the matter. who you think is gonna go for this?
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened.When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term.When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense)that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable,the mother should be spared.You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
@drag So then you condone,support,defend a mother killing her own flesh & blood precious living unborn human baby,that she herself helped to createONLY when the mother's life is threatened?When a Dr.who has no financial gain tells her that if she carries the baby to term,she will most certainly die.That if she does not kill her baby, that her baby will definetly kill her (as in self defense).And only then?!? I would say most all prolifer's would agree with that.We are talking about the others.
@angelshoulders you need to be pro-common sense. then get a life and stop spamming these boards. not that anyone gives a screw ball concerning what you are saying anyway. we do not live in a theocracy, therefore we do not have to abide by the crazy laws of the roman catholic church and in most cases, that of muslim societies.
@drag...The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
@drag The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
@angelshoulders dummy, the only one qualified to protect the unborn is the woman carrying it. and in cases of rape, the embryo did "hijack" the womans womb. anyway, only a fool would put an embryo above that of a living, breathing being in any circumstance. we have the ultimate, God given right to space and plan our children and not have babies like dogs as you suggest.
@drag WHAT??? LOLOLOL!! THE BABY HIJACKED THE MOTHER? In the case of rape, the baby did NOTHING!! Only a fool would grade life like a slab of meat! Only a fool would devalue life, dehumanize life the way you do! Are you still talking about the mother's life being in grave danger.You confuse me! You hop back & forth like a ping pong ball, I have already said that in the sad case of mother's life vs. baby's life, the mother should be saved. You talk as though all abortions are done to save a life
@angelshoulders and nobody is confused about this but your crazy azz! the fetus hijacks the mothers womb because it is forced there and implants itself against her will. rape victims don't have to see her rappists forced offspring as her "baby" and my opinion is that she shouldn't but if she chooses too, then thats alright but no retard like yourself should ever have any say in the matter. go slice your face off!
I became prolife at my conception!!I survived the holocaust of abortion!I love life,all life, from conception to natural death.There is nothing liberating about killing your own flesh & blood child!Alice Paul,Susan B Anthony(many women's libbers)were taunch believers in prolife.This is a social agenda.We want hope & change in this country!We fight for life, for mother's & father's to fight for the lives of their children.Life,liberty & the unalienable right to life.
@dragon I see you going from vid to vid condoning, defending, supporting and in some cases even encouraging these young mother's to hire abortionists to kill their own flesh & blood babies. The babies they themselves helped to create. We who abhore abortion do not abhore those who have abortions. We hate the sin, not the sinner.Have you ever in your life done something you regret, you don't tell anyone, or are you so perfect that you can condemn & torture these young mothers?!? CRUEL!!
@angelshoulders you lying ass whore. i have NEVER encouraged a woman to get an abortion. i simply defend our rights to do so. and i always will. your the one that is cruel talking about rape victims should be thrown in jail for trying to abort their rapists offspring. if that is not cruel i don't know what is.
@dragon Did you just resort to name calling, insults and profanity?!? Well, I'm sure that all our readers are quite shocked since that is all we ever see from the prodeath community!! Way to go, showing your true blue, pure bred, trashy ways! I would not thumbs down this comment for anything, let everyone see the anger, hate & repulsive language of the prodeather in all their glory!! LOL!! You think that going to jail is worse then a mother killing her own flesh&blood baby she helped create?!
@bluepuppyboy who cares what you people want to do to us american women? we won't be going to jail for aborting in your life time. trust me on that one. women and legislatures in other countries are FIGHTING brutal anti-abortion laws! look up australias fight against its anti-abortions laws that simply oppresses and marginalizes women. look up indias fight against their anti-abortions, barbaric laws. stop trying to make it seem that countries with stiff anti laws are at peace.
@dragonpat666 Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
@angelshoulders stupid ding dong! i was speaking about you saying rape victims should go to jail for aborting their filthy rapists offspring. don't try and change the subject. we are not a theocracy therefore american women don't have to worry about jail time for taking advantage of their divine right to give birth or not. el salvadore, philiphines have HIGH abortion rates despite its illegality. sucks to be you!
@dragonpat666 How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the conceived by rape?Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the concieved of rape?I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse! Does the baby deserve the death penalty b/c of the sins of his father?Does the mother deserve to live the rest of her life w/blood on her hands?
@angelshoulders your opinion. and everyone got an opinion. yours ain't the only one poppin. thank God we live in a society that knows making a rape victim gestate her rapists offspring, no matter who he may be, is BARBARIC. you are sick and twisted!
@angelshoulders of course you support making rape victims gestate. in your sick mind, the rapist gave the victim a BLESSING!!! i have heard you say this plenty of times. you are SICK, RETARDED and TWISTED!!!!
@dragonpat666 I am sorry you are so bitter and hateful. You apparently have lost all love of life and your compassion scale is on zero. Because I love the mother and the child, I speak up for both. Because I believe there is no excuse to murder unless your life is being threatened, if someone were trying to kill you! You believe that if a living unborn human being is not 'convenient' , it is perfectly fine to legally murde that individual. Will the elderly,handicapped,mentally ill be next?
@angelshoulders what does abortion have to do with elderly and handicapped people? we have been aborting for thousands of years, yet and still found compassion for our elderly and handicapped citizens. you are crazy.
@drag When did I ever mention the church? Quit putting words in my mouth if you can, I know prochoicers main source of argument centers around twisting &putting words in prolifer's mouths. Also, the mother is the one who caused the baby to need her womb when in fact she did the exact thing that causes conception.She helped to create the baby,now she has no right to kill him/her.Bodily autonomy is a joke!!
@angelshoulders bodily automomy is REAL in that it respects the womans rights not to become a host to a dependent entity that she does not want to allow to do so. without bodily automomy, i can make you give me one of your kidneys just because i need it to survive. it wouldn't kill you to be made to give up one of your kidneys so i can live but does that sound like my god given right? to make you give up your organ so that i can live? would you allow for such a thing to be in society?
@drag If the mother did not want the pregnancy, you sure could have fooled me b/c she did the exact thing that would cause the pregnancy. If I don't want short hair, but I 'chose' to allow someone to take a razor to my scalp, isn't that asking for short hair?? Why in the H would the mother have sex, create a new living unborn human baby, then turn around & kill the life she herself helped to create? B/c she has no control over her bodily autonomy? LOL! She is just a lustful idiot? Why?
@angelshoulders having sex is not consent to pregnancy. this is why we have birthcontrol and abortion in the first. just because i am walking down the street does not give another person the right to rob me. you are ignorant and retarded.
Why are our prisons full? These individuals have morals different from you or I. We are forcing our morals onto them. They believe that rape & pedophilia is okie dokie! Should we let them out? Perhaps they will look for your sister, daughter, wife, mother, son, neice, nephew or even yourself to force their morals upon. If legal murder of precious unborn living human beings is okie dokie, why not extend the legality to rape & pedophilia??Just b/c something is legal doesn't make it right.
@angelshoulders same thing with abortion. i don't owe anybody the right to life!! and thank GOODNESS we live in a society that allows us (doesn't matter their specific reasons) the right to decide if we want to give birth or not! to bad for you.
@drag How did that baby get into the mother's womb?What did she do or not do to cause that baby to need her body? Did the baby hijack the mother? Did the baby do anything that caused him/her to need the mother? What could the baby have done to avoid his/her circumstances? Can the baby chose a mother who will not legally murder him/her? Who helped to create the new life withing the mother's womb? I hope that soon, you will see the light & our country will return to respecting all human life!
@angelshoulders I, and others, have seen you go to video to video spamming lies, manipulative half-truths, and insults in the 'support' of 'saving babies'. Like your lie that fetus means 'little one' when it actually means 'offspring or to bring forth, or 'hatchling'. Or who can forget your accusing me of CHOOSING to be abused as a child, and your ACCUSATIONAL LIE That I aborted b/c i 'did not want my baby to be in the loving arms of a couple' or w/e? You know- the shit you denied posting? =)
@ryddelwearsahat Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened. When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term. When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense) that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable, the mother should be spared. You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
Just because killing of children is legal does not make it any less wrong. These mother's sign for the extermination of their own flesh and blood baby. The only difference between killing an unborn human and a born human is place of residence and age. Apparently women are not taking care of their vag, other wise abortion would no longer be needed! Learn to take responsibility for your own actions. Misery loves company, no one wants to be in the minority, so I see why you encourage!
The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
To make absolutely sure that future generations have proof that women are the ones responsible for all of the killing they demand that a woman (ONLY a woman) sign the order of execution before a member of the AMA will perform the killing.That is to say that every child that is killed by a member of the American Medical Association has a woman's signature associated with the killing. Without this "mandatory" signature of a woman (the mother), the child gets to live.
So, not only are children being killed by the American Medical Association, but women are being placed in a situation where they MUST accept the blame because it was "their" choice, not a man's. And if you want to see actual proof that it was a woman's choice all you have to do is refer to the millions upon millions of signatures on the orders of execution - each and every one of them belonging to a woman
The American Medical Association is responsible for the extermination of millions, upon millions, upon millions of human beings. They are doing in under the guise of a medical procedure and they are expoliting women in order to profit from the extermination of these human beings. Any person who says it's a "woman's choice" has bought into the propaganda of blaming women for the extermination of these humans beings.
It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns, only after the event, what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and kill her baby.We who hate abortion do not hate those mother's who have aborted their babies, we hate the act of killing the unborn. We love the sinner & hate the sin!
We who reject abortion do not reject those who have had abortions. Please just answer me this one question. Why don’t prodeath ppl use photo’s of aborted babies for proof that it should be ok,remain legal and that it is necessary. Seems to me that nothing would be more proof than the aborted baby itself.
@angelshoulders I am fine with you expressing your argument, however calling Pro-choicers "pro-deathers" is immature and unprofessional. If you are going to slander the names of people who are pro-choice, then I don't see how you can validate your claims no matter how many statistics or fancy words you put in your posts.
@Takethis455 Look up Dr. Kermit Gosnell if you want to see a supposed "pro-choicer" who is actually a "pro-deather." There are true scumbags in the pro-choice movement, even if most of it are sadly misled people.
Also, just because he laid that insult does not invalidate his statistics (although it may make it harder to keep listening to him when you're being insulted). A true argument is a true argument and is valid no matter how it is presented.
@namelessanduntitled I am sure that there are exceptions to my statement, just as there are insane and radical individuals on the Pro-life front.Those who take the argument into their own hands and take the lives of the Abortionists.And I would like to inform you that I am not misled in any respect. I have concluded after much research that abortion under certain circumstances is acceptable, and sometimes necessary.
If I said, water is 80% of your body you dumb prick, would you care what I said?
@Takethis455 Abortion is murder and the law usually adheres to a life for a life. Under no circumstances is abortion ok 5000 years there was no such thing, the only way a baby died while in gestation was of natural causes whatever it maybe and the women survived 99% of the time. The problem is people like you, killing is killing no matter the situation, born or unborn it is the death of an individual at the hands of another.
@mwjayjr how about we take a visit to China 5000 years ago. If a female was born to a family she was most likely killed. Or to Greece, or Rome where only the strongest of children were found "fit for life". There is hardly any difference between a gestating fetus, and a newborn. Sure there are some anatomical and physiological differences, but using your words "born or unborn" they are still lives. The real problem is misinformation.Look a little deeper, use real statistics, then post a comment.
@Takethis455 the average human has 46 chromosomes. when a women is pregnant she is carrying 92 chromosomes around. Now since she is human she cannot have 92 chromosomes she can only have 46 chromosomes or else she isn't human. Now she by your standard she can only decide the fate of 46 of the chromosomes, the other 46 chromosomes belong to an unborn child and she cannot decide the fate of said chromosomes. So basically she has no right to decide another's fate, because then she is playing God.
@mwjayjr Basic Biology. The Human genome consists of 46 Chromosomes yes, but there is a phenomenon that is called Meiosis. This turns somatic cells (regular number of chromosomes) into germ cells (23 chromosomes- Egg/ Sperm Cell) When the Sperm and Egg unite during fertilization, the zygote is created, and has the normal 46 chromosomes which then undergoes another phenomenon called Mitosis (many many times), and specialization to become what we call human.
@Takethis455 to explain your killing above, the chinese wanted only males so their family name went on they were not aborting unborn babies but their newborns because a female might mean the end of a family tree. the greek and romans killed the weak and disformed because they couldn't fight in the military and the disformed were seen as an abomination to mankind, they didn't kill for theirself but for the greater good
@Takethis455 no they didn't abort the committed an afterbirth murder while abortion is prebirth murder. And I never said what they did was right just why they did it, they cannot be compared as similar.
@mwjayjr But regardless, one person is taking the life of another who cannot speak for themselves. It is VERY similar. There is no difference between a baby who is 3 weeks premature, and a fetus 3 weeks from birth other than one is no longer in the womb.
@Takethis455 exactly there is no difference except if you kill the premature baby that was born it's murder and an abortion to the unborn is "ok"....that's BS...see it's called a double standard, after a baby is aborted it is parted out like a car in a chop shop that's one reason science likes it so much probably they get stem cells and other stuff for their experiments and all they have to do is convince a women to kill an unborn baby
@mwjayjr now now now, I never said anything about full term abortions. I am talking about 13 weeks old. Those were some of my "circumstances". And to further your argument, stem cells are most available in VERY early stages of life, where the cells have not specialized yet. That is what makes them stem cells. Again, like I said before, do your research before you come making accusations and assumptions.
@angelshoulders women die giving birth. i don't have to die to sustain NOTHING. my life comes FIRST and this is common sense. even animals self abort when their person and collective situation is not conducive to caring for another life and mouth to feed. nature moves them to do this! its common sense that you stop life before it actually and trully begans (at birth) before it can make or exasberate(sp) a bad situation into one that is worse!! you are a fool!!
@drag Suicide is rare among pregnant women,but much more common after induced abortion.It is never reported under maternal mortality from abortion,of course, even though it is causative."The suicide rate after an abortion was three times the general suicide rate &six times that associated with birth..the rate for women following a live birth was 5.9 per 100,000; following miscarriage 18.1; following abortion 34.7."
@angelshoulders you are a fucking liar. and even if this is true, it is rare that a woman commits suicide after having an abortion and that still does not trump anothers right to an abortion if that is what she wants. so go somewhere and put your head in the dirt.
@dragonpat666 Here again you are talking about if a mother's life is in grave danger. Why don't you talk about the 40million abortions that take place just because the mother doesn't want to be bothered with her new flesh & blood living unborn human baby. Quit being so evasive!
@angelshoulders babies are born. a fetus is not the same as a baby, with respect to viability. it doesn't matter that as unborn, we are "living." what ultimately matters is our mothers rights to bring us to term or not and only she is qualified to make such a decision and does not matter if she ends up regretting her abortion or not because she had a CHOICE. something your lot wishes to take away from her....not gonna happen any time soon here in the USA.
@drag The moment that baby is concieved, everything is there. The sex, color of eyes, color of hair, heighth, etc. Nothing will be added to that new life except time & nourishment. You are the same person today as you were the moment you were conceived.You are not someone else. Everything was there necessary for you to be who you are at the instant that you were concieved.A newborn is not the same as a toddler,is not the same as a preschooler,is not the same as a teenager. Get it?!?
@angelshoulders who cares about the sex color and eyes of an embryo. for your information dumb dumb, at the point of conception there are no eyes, no sex and hair color, etc.. your talking about DNA plants have DNA, lol!!! and yes body autonomy is our GOD given right.
@angelshoulders and stop spamming the boards with your redundant diatribes. no one is going to forfeit their right to choose because of your self-righteous, idiotic ass! you who claim to have born a child of a rapist and also claim to be proud of it. you are SICK and twisted and not all prolifers totally agree with your stance here. you are really gross!
@drag Maybe no MOTHER will forfeit her right to choose to kill her own flesh & blood baby, the baby she indeed helped to create herself, but her baby will forfeit his/her LIFE for her 'CONVENIENCE'. Why do you find it necessary to name call & insult? I have born my son, who was conceived in rape, and yes, I am proud! Proud to be his mother! It matters little how he came to be, HE IS! And a marvel to behold. I would say that condoning,supporting & defending baby killing is gross!
It's kinda ignorant to say it's a lie. Because the only reason you feel this "pain" is caused purely by your emotions, wich are subjective.
You cannot blame people for not having the exact same emotional connections to something you have, there are tons of people who feel the same pain for something that you might find normal, and fine, and you will tell them that its fine.
Try to look at the true cause of the pain, wich is your mental state, and you might find help.
Harresd 7 months ago
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The lie is not based on my emotions. The lie I was fed was that I was aborting tissue, NOT human life. The truth is I am the mother to 3 beings that matter & I believe live on. You may believe differently but to the core of my being I now know, and yes, after research & years of pain that substantiated my belief now, that I ended 3 lives. This is what I have to live with... the emotions are just the aftermath. As far as finding help...I have, thank you. Oh and wich is spelled which.
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anoniukas 6 months ago
@Harresd Don`t lie OK? If it`s a true what you are saying tell my why people whose mothers wanted to abort them or tried to do it, but,luckily,unsuccessfully,feel the effects of it? Why they can`t have a normal lives? Why do some of them feel that they are not needed even though them parents loves them and cares very much or even has a physical diseases which are incurable?
Is the money more important than the life?Is it better to live in a lie and have lots of than to be free living in a true?
anoniukas 6 months ago
@Harresd I can`t understand,how people can still live in this big lie, even when it is clearly seen that it is an obvious lie? How can they let to make a fool of themselves so easily?
anoniukas 6 months ago
I love it when women finally come forward about the pain. It gives me hope that one day, whether soon or after my death, abortion will become illegal and that thousands of women will never have to feel your pain.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
when are you gonna forgive yourself? im sure you god forgave you a long time ago.
dragonpat666 9 months ago
I am very sorry for what you had to go through... you did the right thing by posting this video because a lot of women don't understand the horrors of abortion until after it happens.
toughntiny 9 months ago 2
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Thank you toughntiny.
eXcruciatinlYpainful 9 months ago
If more women were as brave as you and come forward, .....what an impact on saving lives. Thank you for stepping out!
Meand3040310 9 months ago 2
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Thank you.
eXcruciatinlYpainful 9 months ago
If more women were as brave as you and come forward, .....what an impact on saving lives.
Meand3040310 9 months ago
@Meand3040310
I could only hope... I could save even one from the pain... one life...
eXcruciatinlYpainful 9 months ago 2
God Bless your heart. I can hear the pain in your voice. Prayers are going up for you.
Meand3040310 10 months ago 4
May God help us all. There are unborn Children dieing daily. Many! The numbers are in the many thousands. I wish as many people fought for their lives as those who fight for Pro Choice. No anger or discord in my heart, just sadness. We all have a choice to be careful while having sex. I do understand that some do not have that choice. I am a victim of a sexual assault myself. That is a whole different discussion for another day. Still no one deserves to die for someone elses action. God Bless.
Takinitdaybyday 11 months ago
God bless you. Give your burden and pain to God. Find God, find a healthy well balanced Christ centered Church. Mat 11:28-30 1 Pet 5:7
Brucev7 11 months ago
man i would have the baby i think
i'm sorry for you :(
paramorevampire1996 11 months ago
@jesusisbling what do you mean 'your god', He is your God too, He is the ONLY God. I don't have to explain God's actions, but there is one thing i am utterly certain of, you will have to explain yours.. God bless you, may Christ guide you into all Truth.
johnchapterseventeen 11 months ago
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Enjoy your delusional life as well!!
jesusisbling 11 months ago
A woman's right to decide to give birth or not is self evident.....amen
jesusisbling 11 months ago
you are a beautiful daughter of the most high God. you have forgiveness in Jesus Christ if you repent with sincerity. your children are in Heaven, all children go to heaven for such is the kingdom of God. i was an atheist and pro choice for 25 years, i had an abortion with my girlfriend which lead me to Christ and forgiveness. Please read the book of John.
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@johnchapterseventeen Can your god do ANYTHING that without a god could not be possible? Even IF there were an initial creator (no evidence so far) would it REALLY be micromanaging human life and whispering in YOUR ear?? Sanity, ah there's the rub...
Utter nonsense....amen
jesusisbling 11 months ago
@johnchapterseventeen
bless you--amen
bluepuppyboy 11 months ago
@johnchapterseventeen Praise the Lord for you and your GF's salvation in Jesus Christ who saves, and is our and the world's only Hope. Joh 14:6
Brucev7 11 months ago
Beware the user angelshoulders- a demon in disguise who claims to be pro'life', yet claims children CHOOSE to be aubsed, who has deliberately mocked child aubse, poverty, and teen homelessness for the sake of defending a political stance- whether you are prochoice or prolife, we can BOTH agree that children do not CHOOSE to be abused, correct? The proof if in my video 'why i am prochoice'- screencaps of the comments she denied ever posting to me! What monster would support child abuse?!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago 2
Whether the parents used birth control or not, failed bc is no license for them to kill the baby that they themselves helped to create. You can bet that if one partner knew the other had AIDS, there would be no failure! But because THEIR lives are not on the line, they can afford to be careless I guess?!? There would be some control going on out there and abortions would be a thing in our dark, depressing, history. Do you see how selfish this is?!? Their baby's life for a moment of lust?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
If you were about to have sex w/someone and you were told by them that they had AIDS, would you use a condom & go ahead? No? Why? Because that would be YOUR life on the line. But if you were about to have sex w/someone and were told they could get pregnant & you would be responsible for the new baby's life, would you put on a condom & go ahead. Yes? Why? Because that would NOT be YOUR life on the line! Little selfish?Mom & dad 'chose' to get their rocks off, baby pays ultimate price!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
angelshoulders 1 year ago
And of those mother's who legally murder their babies that are over the age of teen?Do you have stats on that?Do you have their excuses for killing their own babies? 'There is no excuse! If the mother does not kill the baby, will the baby surely kill her(as in self defense)? Then what other right, reason, excuse would a mother have for killing her own flesh and blood, the baby she herself helped to create?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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How many children have you adopted? How many organizations are you contributing to that help the born children on this planet that could use your help and love? Unborn living human beings are 'on this planet'. I don't see how mother's legally murdering the babies that they themselves helped to create, bring food,love and help to others?!? Do you? Please explain how killing helps anyone else!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Just because killing of children is legal does not make it any less wrong. These mother's sign for the extermination of their own flesh and blood baby. The only difference between killing an unborn human and a born human is place of residence and age. Apparently women are not taking care of their vag, other wise abortion would no longer be needed! Learn to take responsibility for your own actions. Misery loves company, no one wants to be in the minority, so I see why you encourage!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
angelshoulders 1 year ago
To make absolutely sure that future generations have proof that women are the ones responsible for all of the killing they demand that a woman (ONLY a woman) sign the order of execution before a member of the AMA will perform the killing.That is to say that every child that is killed by a member of the American Medical Association has a woman's signature associated with the killing. Without this "mandatory" signature of a woman (the mother), the child gets to live.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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So, not only are children being killed by the American Medical Association, but women are being placed in a situation where they MUST accept the blame because it was "their" choice, not a man's. And if you want to see actual proof that it was a woman's choice all you have to do is refer to the millions upon millions of signatures on the orders of execution - each and every one of them belonging to a woman
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Google "Kansas abortion statistics" &read the stats on abortion published online by the Kansas Dept of Health & Environment
Between 04 &08 Tiller performed 1928 late term abortions.
99% had no birth defects
99% posed no risk of death to mother
99% involved no medical emergency
According to the LA Times,Tiller made $6000 for each late term (22+weeks old) abortion
1928 x $6000 = $11,568,000 for 5 yrs (04--08)
& that does not include the $ from the 1000s of his early term abortions
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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In a study of teenage abortion patients, half suffered a worsening of psychosocial functioning within 7 months after the abortion. The immediate impact appeared to be greatest on the patients who were under 17 years of age and for those with previous psychosocial problems. Symptoms included: self-reproach, depression, social regression, withdrawal, obsession with need to become pregnant again, and hasty marriages.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute,in 2005,1.21 million abortions took place in the U.S. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16-20 weeks pregnant;over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks or more into their pregnancy.According to CDC government data,over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had 3 or more previous abortion.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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What Motivates Pro-Choice Women?How many pro-choice women in the USA have had abortions?According to the Allan Guttmacher Institute,at least one out of almost every three women,or at least over 3 out of every 10,aged 15 through 65,has had an abortion in the USA. Since,as a rule of thumb,approximately half of the women in the USA are pro-life versus pro-choice;then we estimate that over 3 out of every 5 pro-choice women, aged 15 through 65, has had an abortion in the USA.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Abortions are done mostly for non-medical reasons. As the abortion industry itself admits on the website of the Alan Guttmacher Institute,"3/4 say they cannot afford a child;3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work,school or the ability to care for dependents;& half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner."
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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"...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so probably, does everyone else. One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive Director, NATIONAL COALITION OFABORTION PROVIDERS, New York Times, 26 February 1997
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Pro-life Americans should vigorously oppose any federal ‘health care reform’ legislation that does not explicitly exclude abortion from the scope of any government-defined or government-mandated package of health care services.Go to National Right to Life and with just a click you can let your senators and congressmen know how you feel. They represent US and then forward the form to everyone you know. We can turn this thing
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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RACISM Abortion is a vehicle of racism and sexism. Obama, by exporting abortions to the third world, is actively supporting the extermination of the African people with who he clams to identify. He is a liar
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a Nazi sympathizer. Her aim was the reduction of the African American population by abortion. Someone as erudite as Obama should know that. ? If he does, then he's a hypocrite. If he does not, then he is a fool.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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It is a really bazaar thing and perhaps you can answer this question for me. Why is it that prodeath ppl don't include photo's of aborted babies to prove that they are not human beings and that this practice of killing babies should be promoted and encouraged? PLEASE ANSWER!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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What is it about humans that separates us from the animal kingdom? I believe it is our superior ability to reason abstractly,come to conclusions,express those conclusions, influence our environment,& also the ability to communicate through language.You are a human if you have these abilities (older children and adults) or will develop these abilities (infants). By my definition the fetus is human because it will develop these abilities.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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From single cell organisms to humans,all exist in one of 2 states,alive or deceased.
from the moment of conception there is life,why is it not murder when a child in the womb,which is alive is killed.
yet people protest the execution of a murderer,yet the baby hasn't done anything wrong and it's o.k to execute him/her..i don't understand
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.) Key phrase- "another species". The Embryo/fetus is always human.
Google "Why the Embryo or Fetus Is Not a Parasite"
for why your position is inaccurate, educate yourself.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
In other words, people don't want to be held accountable for their actions. If this were the case, people shouldn't be given DUI's because they were drinking to have fun, why should they be punished with a DUI? Because it's a decisoin they make knowing full well the consequences if they get caught. It's amazing to me that we even need to tell some people this.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
You frequently reproach pro-lifers for not being willing to adopt every potential aborted baby. No one person can adopt the millions of infants aborted every year. To throw in hyperbole and then berate their inability to fulfill an unreasonable statement is ridiculous. The moral question of society's responsibility of adoption is immaterial to the debate of abortion itself.?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Like the word toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at a particular stages of development. The word embryo is used of any living creature at an eraly stage of development. Fetus is a Latin word meaning "young one" or "litte child" It is scientifically in accurate to say an embryo or a fetus is not a human being simply because he is at an earlier stage of development than a born infant
angelshoulders 1 year ago
I have read babies compared to parasites,tumors,trees&insects! These things will never be born,laugh,love, or check you out at the grocers. You can dehumanize the baby all you want but that zygote,embryo,fetus,glob of cells or whatever you want to call it will laugh,dance and sing.It is a living human being,be it very young!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
@angelshoulders
Amen, I watched Maafa21 and got so sick I had to stop. They wanted to kill the people of color--since they couldn't just kill them on the streets, they targeted their future generations through centralizing the abortion clinics in their neighborhoods.
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
--I suggest you watch the video Maafa21--about the history of the eugenics movement in America. Margaret Sanger, an avowed racist, and a founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted people of color eliminated BEFORE they were born--because they couldn't out and out just murder children and adults. Is it any wonder that, say in my city, the 2 biggest abortion clinics (up to 24 weeks) are centrally located in the black community.
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
read Abby Johnson's book "unplanned" and see if this is stupid
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
READ ON READERS!! On the video:Pro-life Anti-Abortion Video: Development of the Unborn Baby ryddelwearsahat said:
@chitownaztec Just so you know, the attitudes of certain so-called pro'life' nazis are making me seriously re-consider finishing this pregnancy.So is the kicking.If you don't want 'blood of babies' on your keyboard,watch your shit with me.Bcuase i'm enough of a bitch to do it- and chances are,your taxes will pay for it.
ryddelwearsahat 1 day ago RYDDELWEARSAHAT LIAR!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
I am totally against a moderator of any kind....
In my OPINION this site is definitely stupid....
jesusisbling 1 year ago
"While you pro/no/life people were insulting the pro choice folks & patting each other on the back on this stupid site, there are 3700 abortions happening in america each day. You havent stopped a one. Mission accomplished.
jesusisbling 1 year ago
@jesusisbling
What? Insulting the pro-choice people? Have you read these posts? Can't even have a meaningful dialogue without the hateful comments spewed. I wish youtube had a decent moderator so adults on both sides could actually speak to each other with respect. It's not a stupid site, either.
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
Poor demonjaws, spamming overused, lie-riddled spam repeatedly to bully and emotionally manipulate others. Too bad she thinks children CHOOSE to be abused- no WONDER she's so depserate to deface, control, and emotionally harm others- ANYONE who thinks children CHOOSE TO BE ABUSED is a psychotic monster- lock it up, shoot it in the head, or call the cops or the paddy wagon, PLEASE! I wonder how much she beat her rape-child? Did he 'choose' for her to hurt him?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
look at this incredibly dumb whore regurgitating over and over again puke we have been seeing her write for years! and it has gotten her totally NOWHERE. abortion is still legal, more and more people are determined to support our right to a safe and legal abortion.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
use a condum!
purpleisme660 1 year ago
@purpleisme660
A condom? We did. Have you not heard they are not 100% effective? The only thing that is abstinence. I love purple & Cake btw. Great channel.
eXcruciatinlYpainful 1 year ago
@purpleisme660
So easy to condemn others....
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
ha! ha! demon shoulders; we are PRO-CHOICE. yea i know you don't like it: tough shit. you have a lot of nerve dictating what should and should not go on in another womans womb. and will you carry this baby for her? will you feed, clothe, house and nourish it? will you give one dime to the care of this child? no you won't and you can't. get over it. in coutnries where abortion is illegal, tons of women still obtain them. can't keep us from using our divine right.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 You always do this same nonsense.Name call, insult, start slinging poo! I do feed,clothe,house and nourish these mother's who chose life for their babies & for those who chose death, I offer counseling.Just because abortion is legal, as of now, no I can't stop mother's from killing their own flesh & blood babies, the babies they themselves helped to create by their actions or lack of actions.Hiring an abortionist to forcibly enter their wombs w/the cold steel instruments.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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@angelshoulders you sound like a broken record with you retarded self.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened. When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term. When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense) that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable, the mother should be spared. You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders you dorn right. we as women decide which of our offspring we will allow to live and which we cannot afford to birth. it is our god-given right and nothing loonies such as yourself can do about that. you just need to keep helping the women who bring children into this world that they can ill afford to properly care for. thats what your lot is for. you are good for absolutely NOTHING else.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
What makes you think that our compassion is limited to the deaths of our precious living unborn babies? What makes you think that we are not relieving the suffering of the poor? Just b/c some people have killed abortionists and bombed clinics does not mean that all prolifers do it. Be reasonable, quit generalizing. Seriously!! Those are ridiculous statements. Are pro death organizations out there counseling mother's who have legally murdered thier babies?? Doubt it,ask PP
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Wait wait wait... THREE abortions? Then this video talks about lies? Crying, regreting what she did? Now how are the circumstances to why the abortions came about? Now, this isn't one abortion... It's three. Heard of birth control?
ksniveegirl 1 year ago
I aborted and don't regret it one bit. Now, bring on the insults, ASSumptions about my life, and the wishful thinking that I 'regret it inside'.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
I believe you. I have a good friend that feels the same as you but I know many that feel the same as I do. I still believe you are a Mom to one child that never got a chance as I am to three. I also believe I will meet them some day and they will greet me with open arms, filled with forgiveness and grace. I'm healing... THANK GOD! Blessings to you Ryddel.
eXcruciatinlYpainful 1 year ago 3
@eXcruciatinlYpainful
Psalm 103:11-12-For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
@eXcruciatinlYpainful you had 3 abortions? i'd feel bad if i were you also.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666
Go to church-you need it. You're very cruel. Jesus already forgave these people. Why can't you?
TheUrbancitydweller 1 year ago
@TheUrbancitydweller - Wait. How do you know that Jesus forgave these people? How do you know that "these people" are christian?
ksniveegirl 1 year ago
@TheUrbancitydweller what are you talking about? forgive these folks for what? im not holding anything against anyone. maybe they should forgive themselves.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Abortion exploits mother's of living unborn human babies. It is all about the money. You want to be prolife, here is a start, quit condoning, supporting, defending and encouraging the legal murder of millions of our most defenselss humans on the planet! Wash their blood off your hands and have some compassion for your fellow man!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders prochoice IS compassion you nitwit. if you had half a brain maybe you would be able to see that. there is no blood on my hands but there is mountains of blood on the hands of prolife people who allow women to die rather then abort an 11 week old pregnancy that is killing her! you have blood on your hands from all the women who have died trying to obtain an abortion in an illegal and hostile anti-abortion enviornment. only a FOOL would take the unborn before the born.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders its not about the money you dumb bitch! women have been seeking to control our fertility before and after the fact for THOUSANDS of years. aborting is nothing new and will be here 10,000 years later when your pathetic ass is dead and gone!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders no one has the right to live inside you, feed off you and feed off your sustenance for 9 months. that is really the bottom line. if i must absolutely allow an unwanted presence inside me to feed and live off me then it is safe also to say i must give up a kidney if someone else needs it cause my body was made to suffice for another and i have no choice in the matter. who you think is gonna go for this?
dragonpat666 1 year ago
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened.When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term.When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense)that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable,the mother should be spared.You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Why do you believe children choose to be abused and can stop it at any time?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@drag So then you condone,support,defend a mother killing her own flesh & blood precious living unborn human baby,that she herself helped to createONLY when the mother's life is threatened?When a Dr.who has no financial gain tells her that if she carries the baby to term,she will most certainly die.That if she does not kill her baby, that her baby will definetly kill her (as in self defense).And only then?!? I would say most all prolifer's would agree with that.We are talking about the others.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders you need to be pro-common sense. then get a life and stop spamming these boards. not that anyone gives a screw ball concerning what you are saying anyway. we do not live in a theocracy, therefore we do not have to abide by the crazy laws of the roman catholic church and in most cases, that of muslim societies.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag...The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@drag The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders dummy, the only one qualified to protect the unborn is the woman carrying it. and in cases of rape, the embryo did "hijack" the womans womb. anyway, only a fool would put an embryo above that of a living, breathing being in any circumstance. we have the ultimate, God given right to space and plan our children and not have babies like dogs as you suggest.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag WHAT??? LOLOLOL!! THE BABY HIJACKED THE MOTHER? In the case of rape, the baby did NOTHING!! Only a fool would grade life like a slab of meat! Only a fool would devalue life, dehumanize life the way you do! Are you still talking about the mother's life being in grave danger.You confuse me! You hop back & forth like a ping pong ball, I have already said that in the sad case of mother's life vs. baby's life, the mother should be saved. You talk as though all abortions are done to save a life
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders and nobody is confused about this but your crazy azz! the fetus hijacks the mothers womb because it is forced there and implants itself against her will. rape victims don't have to see her rappists forced offspring as her "baby" and my opinion is that she shouldn't but if she chooses too, then thats alright but no retard like yourself should ever have any say in the matter. go slice your face off!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
I became prolife at my conception!!I survived the holocaust of abortion!I love life,all life, from conception to natural death.There is nothing liberating about killing your own flesh & blood child!Alice Paul,Susan B Anthony(many women's libbers)were taunch believers in prolife.This is a social agenda.We want hope & change in this country!We fight for life, for mother's & father's to fight for the lives of their children.Life,liberty & the unalienable right to life.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@dragon I see you going from vid to vid condoning, defending, supporting and in some cases even encouraging these young mother's to hire abortionists to kill their own flesh & blood babies. The babies they themselves helped to create. We who abhore abortion do not abhore those who have abortions. We hate the sin, not the sinner.Have you ever in your life done something you regret, you don't tell anyone, or are you so perfect that you can condemn & torture these young mothers?!? CRUEL!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders you lying ass whore. i have NEVER encouraged a woman to get an abortion. i simply defend our rights to do so. and i always will. your the one that is cruel talking about rape victims should be thrown in jail for trying to abort their rapists offspring. if that is not cruel i don't know what is.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragon Did you just resort to name calling, insults and profanity?!? Well, I'm sure that all our readers are quite shocked since that is all we ever see from the prodeath community!! Way to go, showing your true blue, pure bred, trashy ways! I would not thumbs down this comment for anything, let everyone see the anger, hate & repulsive language of the prodeather in all their glory!! LOL!! You think that going to jail is worse then a mother killing her own flesh&blood baby she helped create?!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders
No one wants to put women in jail... I thought that for years and was wrong.
bluepuppyboy 1 year ago
@bluepuppyboy who cares what you people want to do to us american women? we won't be going to jail for aborting in your life time. trust me on that one. women and legislatures in other countries are FIGHTING brutal anti-abortion laws! look up australias fight against its anti-abortions laws that simply oppresses and marginalizes women. look up indias fight against their anti-abortions, barbaric laws. stop trying to make it seem that countries with stiff anti laws are at peace.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders stupid ding dong! i was speaking about you saying rape victims should go to jail for aborting their filthy rapists offspring. don't try and change the subject. we are not a theocracy therefore american women don't have to worry about jail time for taking advantage of their divine right to give birth or not. el salvadore, philiphines have HIGH abortion rates despite its illegality. sucks to be you!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the conceived by rape?Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the concieved of rape?I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse! Does the baby deserve the death penalty b/c of the sins of his father?Does the mother deserve to live the rest of her life w/blood on her hands?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders your opinion. and everyone got an opinion. yours ain't the only one poppin. thank God we live in a society that knows making a rape victim gestate her rapists offspring, no matter who he may be, is BARBARIC. you are sick and twisted!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@angelshoulders of course you support making rape victims gestate. in your sick mind, the rapist gave the victim a BLESSING!!! i have heard you say this plenty of times. you are SICK, RETARDED and TWISTED!!!!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 I am sorry you are so bitter and hateful. You apparently have lost all love of life and your compassion scale is on zero. Because I love the mother and the child, I speak up for both. Because I believe there is no excuse to murder unless your life is being threatened, if someone were trying to kill you! You believe that if a living unborn human being is not 'convenient' , it is perfectly fine to legally murde that individual. Will the elderly,handicapped,mentally ill be next?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders what does abortion have to do with elderly and handicapped people? we have been aborting for thousands of years, yet and still found compassion for our elderly and handicapped citizens. you are crazy.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag When did I ever mention the church? Quit putting words in my mouth if you can, I know prochoicers main source of argument centers around twisting &putting words in prolifer's mouths. Also, the mother is the one who caused the baby to need her womb when in fact she did the exact thing that causes conception.She helped to create the baby,now she has no right to kill him/her.Bodily autonomy is a joke!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders bodily automomy is REAL in that it respects the womans rights not to become a host to a dependent entity that she does not want to allow to do so. without bodily automomy, i can make you give me one of your kidneys just because i need it to survive. it wouldn't kill you to be made to give up one of your kidneys so i can live but does that sound like my god given right? to make you give up your organ so that i can live? would you allow for such a thing to be in society?
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag If the mother did not want the pregnancy, you sure could have fooled me b/c she did the exact thing that would cause the pregnancy. If I don't want short hair, but I 'chose' to allow someone to take a razor to my scalp, isn't that asking for short hair?? Why in the H would the mother have sex, create a new living unborn human baby, then turn around & kill the life she herself helped to create? B/c she has no control over her bodily autonomy? LOL! She is just a lustful idiot? Why?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders having sex is not consent to pregnancy. this is why we have birthcontrol and abortion in the first. just because i am walking down the street does not give another person the right to rob me. you are ignorant and retarded.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
Why are our prisons full? These individuals have morals different from you or I. We are forcing our morals onto them. They believe that rape & pedophilia is okie dokie! Should we let them out? Perhaps they will look for your sister, daughter, wife, mother, son, neice, nephew or even yourself to force their morals upon. If legal murder of precious unborn living human beings is okie dokie, why not extend the legality to rape & pedophilia??Just b/c something is legal doesn't make it right.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders same thing with abortion. i don't owe anybody the right to life!! and thank GOODNESS we live in a society that allows us (doesn't matter their specific reasons) the right to decide if we want to give birth or not! to bad for you.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag How did that baby get into the mother's womb?What did she do or not do to cause that baby to need her body? Did the baby hijack the mother? Did the baby do anything that caused him/her to need the mother? What could the baby have done to avoid his/her circumstances? Can the baby chose a mother who will not legally murder him/her? Who helped to create the new life withing the mother's womb? I hope that soon, you will see the light & our country will return to respecting all human life!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders stop repeating your dumb self over and over and over again.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@angelshoulders I, and others, have seen you go to video to video spamming lies, manipulative half-truths, and insults in the 'support' of 'saving babies'. Like your lie that fetus means 'little one' when it actually means 'offspring or to bring forth, or 'hatchling'. Or who can forget your accusing me of CHOOSING to be abused as a child, and your ACCUSATIONAL LIE That I aborted b/c i 'did not want my baby to be in the loving arms of a couple' or w/e? You know- the shit you denied posting? =)
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body..
angelshoulders 1 year ago
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
angelshoulders 1 year ago
In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The majority of prolifers would agree that when the mother's life is definetly threatened. When the baby is absolutely going to kill the mother if she carries him/her to full term. When if the mother does not kill the baby,the baby will certainly kill her(as i self defense) that every effort shoud be made to save both lives. But in the sad instance that it is inevitable, the mother should be spared. You talk about this situation, but most abortions are not done to save a life,but to take a life!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances! How did the baby get inside the mother's womb? Did he/she hijack the mother, come behind a bush and force their way into the mother? What did the child do to CAUSE his/her being created?Did the mother do anything that caused the baby to be within her womb? What can the baby do to protect him/herself from the mother's 'right' to kill him/her? Can the baby chose another mom, one that won't legally murder him/her?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Just because killing of children is legal does not make it any less wrong. These mother's sign for the extermination of their own flesh and blood baby. The only difference between killing an unborn human and a born human is place of residence and age. Apparently women are not taking care of their vag, other wise abortion would no longer be needed! Learn to take responsibility for your own actions. Misery loves company, no one wants to be in the minority, so I see why you encourage!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The killing of children is NOT a religious issue but a human rights issue& it is as a "human rights issue" that this battle must be fought.Along with being the organization that is 100% responsible for killing these human beings the American Medical Association is exploiting ALL women by claiming that all of the killing that has taken place so far & all of the killing that will continue to take place into the future is a woman's fault,or as they call it a "woman's choice".
angelshoulders 1 year ago
To make absolutely sure that future generations have proof that women are the ones responsible for all of the killing they demand that a woman (ONLY a woman) sign the order of execution before a member of the AMA will perform the killing.That is to say that every child that is killed by a member of the American Medical Association has a woman's signature associated with the killing. Without this "mandatory" signature of a woman (the mother), the child gets to live.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
So, not only are children being killed by the American Medical Association, but women are being placed in a situation where they MUST accept the blame because it was "their" choice, not a man's. And if you want to see actual proof that it was a woman's choice all you have to do is refer to the millions upon millions of signatures on the orders of execution - each and every one of them belonging to a woman
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The American Medical Association is responsible for the extermination of millions, upon millions, upon millions of human beings. They are doing in under the guise of a medical procedure and they are expoliting women in order to profit from the extermination of these human beings. Any person who says it's a "woman's choice" has bought into the propaganda of blaming women for the extermination of these humans beings.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Google "Kansas abortion statistics" &read the stats on abortion published online by the Kansas Dept of Health & Environment
Between 04 &08 Tiller performed 1928 late term abortions.
99% had no birth defects
99% posed no risk of death to mother
99% involved no medical emergency
According to the LA Times,Tiller made $6000 for each late term (22+weeks old) abortion
1928 x $6000 = $11,568,000 for 5 yrs (04--08)
& that does not include the $ from the 1000s of his early term abortions
angelshoulders 1 year ago
It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns, only after the event, what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and kill her baby.We who hate abortion do not hate those mother's who have aborted their babies, we hate the act of killing the unborn. We love the sinner & hate the sin!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
We who reject abortion do not reject those who have had abortions. Please just answer me this one question. Why don’t prodeath ppl use photo’s of aborted babies for proof that it should be ok,remain legal and that it is necessary. Seems to me that nothing would be more proof than the aborted baby itself.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders I am fine with you expressing your argument, however calling Pro-choicers "pro-deathers" is immature and unprofessional. If you are going to slander the names of people who are pro-choice, then I don't see how you can validate your claims no matter how many statistics or fancy words you put in your posts.
Takethis455 10 months ago 2
@Takethis455 Look up Dr. Kermit Gosnell if you want to see a supposed "pro-choicer" who is actually a "pro-deather." There are true scumbags in the pro-choice movement, even if most of it are sadly misled people.
Also, just because he laid that insult does not invalidate his statistics (although it may make it harder to keep listening to him when you're being insulted). A true argument is a true argument and is valid no matter how it is presented.
namelessanduntitled 8 months ago
@namelessanduntitled I am sure that there are exceptions to my statement, just as there are insane and radical individuals on the Pro-life front.Those who take the argument into their own hands and take the lives of the Abortionists.And I would like to inform you that I am not misled in any respect. I have concluded after much research that abortion under certain circumstances is acceptable, and sometimes necessary.
If I said, water is 80% of your body you dumb prick, would you care what I said?
Takethis455 8 months ago
@Takethis455 Abortion is murder and the law usually adheres to a life for a life. Under no circumstances is abortion ok 5000 years there was no such thing, the only way a baby died while in gestation was of natural causes whatever it maybe and the women survived 99% of the time. The problem is people like you, killing is killing no matter the situation, born or unborn it is the death of an individual at the hands of another.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr how about we take a visit to China 5000 years ago. If a female was born to a family she was most likely killed. Or to Greece, or Rome where only the strongest of children were found "fit for life". There is hardly any difference between a gestating fetus, and a newborn. Sure there are some anatomical and physiological differences, but using your words "born or unborn" they are still lives. The real problem is misinformation.Look a little deeper, use real statistics, then post a comment.
Takethis455 7 months ago
@Takethis455 ok I'll go with this. Do you believe a women has the right to do with her body what she wants
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr To a point yes, just as a man has the right to his own body.
Takethis455 7 months ago
@Takethis455 the average human has 46 chromosomes. when a women is pregnant she is carrying 92 chromosomes around. Now since she is human she cannot have 92 chromosomes she can only have 46 chromosomes or else she isn't human. Now she by your standard she can only decide the fate of 46 of the chromosomes, the other 46 chromosomes belong to an unborn child and she cannot decide the fate of said chromosomes. So basically she has no right to decide another's fate, because then she is playing God.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr Basic Biology. The Human genome consists of 46 Chromosomes yes, but there is a phenomenon that is called Meiosis. This turns somatic cells (regular number of chromosomes) into germ cells (23 chromosomes- Egg/ Sperm Cell) When the Sperm and Egg unite during fertilization, the zygote is created, and has the normal 46 chromosomes which then undergoes another phenomenon called Mitosis (many many times), and specialization to become what we call human.
Those are facts. Now make your point.
Takethis455 7 months ago
@Takethis455 to explain your killing above, the chinese wanted only males so their family name went on they were not aborting unborn babies but their newborns because a female might mean the end of a family tree. the greek and romans killed the weak and disformed because they couldn't fight in the military and the disformed were seen as an abomination to mankind, they didn't kill for theirself but for the greater good
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr So now, if I want to preserve my family name, or if my child has down syndrome I may have an abortion?
Takethis455 7 months ago
@Takethis455 no they didn't abort the committed an afterbirth murder while abortion is prebirth murder. And I never said what they did was right just why they did it, they cannot be compared as similar.
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr But regardless, one person is taking the life of another who cannot speak for themselves. It is VERY similar. There is no difference between a baby who is 3 weeks premature, and a fetus 3 weeks from birth other than one is no longer in the womb.
Takethis455 7 months ago
@Takethis455 exactly there is no difference except if you kill the premature baby that was born it's murder and an abortion to the unborn is "ok"....that's BS...see it's called a double standard, after a baby is aborted it is parted out like a car in a chop shop that's one reason science likes it so much probably they get stem cells and other stuff for their experiments and all they have to do is convince a women to kill an unborn baby
mwjayjr 7 months ago
@mwjayjr now now now, I never said anything about full term abortions. I am talking about 13 weeks old. Those were some of my "circumstances". And to further your argument, stem cells are most available in VERY early stages of life, where the cells have not specialized yet. That is what makes them stem cells. Again, like I said before, do your research before you come making accusations and assumptions.
Takethis455 7 months ago
@namelessanduntitled
Thank you. Good point.
bluepuppyboy 4 months ago
@angelshoulders women die giving birth. i don't have to die to sustain NOTHING. my life comes FIRST and this is common sense. even animals self abort when their person and collective situation is not conducive to caring for another life and mouth to feed. nature moves them to do this! its common sense that you stop life before it actually and trully begans (at birth) before it can make or exasberate(sp) a bad situation into one that is worse!! you are a fool!!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag Suicide is rare among pregnant women,but much more common after induced abortion.It is never reported under maternal mortality from abortion,of course, even though it is causative."The suicide rate after an abortion was three times the general suicide rate &six times that associated with birth..the rate for women following a live birth was 5.9 per 100,000; following miscarriage 18.1; following abortion 34.7."
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders you are a fucking liar. and even if this is true, it is rare that a woman commits suicide after having an abortion and that still does not trump anothers right to an abortion if that is what she wants. so go somewhere and put your head in the dirt.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Here again you are talking about if a mother's life is in grave danger. Why don't you talk about the 40million abortions that take place just because the mother doesn't want to be bothered with her new flesh & blood living unborn human baby. Quit being so evasive!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders babies are born. a fetus is not the same as a baby, with respect to viability. it doesn't matter that as unborn, we are "living." what ultimately matters is our mothers rights to bring us to term or not and only she is qualified to make such a decision and does not matter if she ends up regretting her abortion or not because she had a CHOICE. something your lot wishes to take away from her....not gonna happen any time soon here in the USA.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag The moment that baby is concieved, everything is there. The sex, color of eyes, color of hair, heighth, etc. Nothing will be added to that new life except time & nourishment. You are the same person today as you were the moment you were conceived.You are not someone else. Everything was there necessary for you to be who you are at the instant that you were concieved.A newborn is not the same as a toddler,is not the same as a preschooler,is not the same as a teenager. Get it?!?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders who cares about the sex color and eyes of an embryo. for your information dumb dumb, at the point of conception there are no eyes, no sex and hair color, etc.. your talking about DNA plants have DNA, lol!!! and yes body autonomy is our GOD given right.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@angelshoulders you'll NEVER get it so why don't you just shut up? nobody listens to you are care about what you are saying.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@angelshoulders and stop spamming the boards with your redundant diatribes. no one is going to forfeit their right to choose because of your self-righteous, idiotic ass! you who claim to have born a child of a rapist and also claim to be proud of it. you are SICK and twisted and not all prolifers totally agree with your stance here. you are really gross!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@drag Maybe no MOTHER will forfeit her right to choose to kill her own flesh & blood baby, the baby she indeed helped to create herself, but her baby will forfeit his/her LIFE for her 'CONVENIENCE'. Why do you find it necessary to name call & insult? I have born my son, who was conceived in rape, and yes, I am proud! Proud to be his mother! It matters little how he came to be, HE IS! And a marvel to behold. I would say that condoning,supporting & defending baby killing is gross!
angelshoulders 1 year ago