@DaughterofEthosV Great comment! There is a huge elitist mentality in our culture, primarily present in those who have never held a non-government job. Socialism (including the National Socialist Party) is not about equality, it is about killing whoever those in charge would like to do away with. It is about power over others.
I guess this means an evil man who promoted government so powerful, that it is fully responsible to feed, cloth, & house everyone should also require individuals to justify their existence to that government (the arbiter of everything "Big government"), is also capable of being witty a time or two.
Shaw knew how to put on a good face to disguise evil, he shows us how. Fabian socialist intentions were represented in their logo, a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@Aikun2012"I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? "
NO. Typical liberal with elitist mentality. There is no gray area regarding his morbid beliefs. I burned his books a long time ago. I haven't missed a thing. We the people do not have to like him, this is the beauty of being free. Too bad he had to seek the dark side. What a waste.
I can understand digressing against a person when you believe they are wrong and that George Bernard Shaw had a characteristic many people would dislike today. But to surmise and slander a man for offending others makes you no better than that man you say is morally wrong. Now I finish with a quote: "Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others." --CIcero
And just because he is not a nice man does not make him any less human or respectful. I dislike it when people like a person just because they are nice and easy to talk to. Screw that. Being nice is a great thing mind you, but if it becomes your basic criteria for judging others then you are being ignorant. I'm not picking any certain person right now, but these days, I dislike the impertinent, audacious characteristics we, in society, have when we deduce others... I mean, I see it every day....
I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? I know that him supporting killing people is morally and ethically wrong, but to enforce that he is a bad man with an evil heart is too presumptuous. George Bernard Shaw is a unique man, and I believe that we should respect him for that which he has done, not that for which he has thought and said... Has he killed any Jews, Blacks? No... I believe not.
@Aikun2012 "I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? "
NO. Typical liberal with elitist mentality. There is no gray area regarding his morbid beliefs. I burned his books a long time ago. I haven't missed a thing. We the people do not have to like him, this is the beauty of being free. Too bad he had to seek the dark side. What a waste.
He was not a nice man - in his words he would like YOU to justify your existence - this man had a hatred of humanity - do your homework on him before you go claiming people have a hatred of culture - he was a founding member of the Fabian Society. But I supose they're a nice bunch too eh?
this man was a motivational factor in the life of Hitler and is one of the biggest racist and vile people in modern history. I am sure many would feel Hitlers skills in the written word would be worth praise as well.
"I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. In short, a gentlemanly gas — deadly by all means, but humane not cruel."
"you know, we should do it while playing lovely classical music as we march them into the gas chambers." George Shaw
George Bernard Shaw supported Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin. He also said "I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. In short- a gentlemanly gas deadly by all means, but humane, not cruel."
The Germans developed precisely that. It was called Cyclon-B and was used to kill Jews in places like Auschwitz and Buchenwald.
Amazing to see people praise the man and defend him to the hilt, but fail to know where he was born. He was Irish. He even had a well known quote about being and Irishman in England. Ahh....nevermind.
Shaw fought against and hated fascists all his life. It is a little ironic that fascists today are lying and claiming that he was a fascist. Only people ignorant of Shaw, his work, and his time can believe such savage and terrible lies.
Here is Shaw defending Jews against fascist attacks: "The Jews generally give value. They make you pay; but they deliver the goods. In my experience the men who want something for nothing are invariably Christians."
He was the greatest English playwright since Shakespeare. He was as charming, sweet and lovable as he was brilliant. Politically, he was always on the side of the working class and the oppressed and always against the fascists and capitalist exploiters and con men.
One may criticize him for being a reformist and believing the road to socialism lay through parliament, democracy and voting instead of revolution.
This idea was commonly accepted by many working class intellectuals at the time.
@HHODork Calling George Bernard Shaw evil just shows your hatred of culture. He was the greatest English playwrite since Shakespeare. His plays are still enjoyed by millions of people every year. His anti-fascist and pro-humanist ideals are celebrated everywhere on Earth among educated people and will continue to be so. The slanders against this wonderful man by ignorant neo-fascists will do much to revive and incrase his reputation and ideas. Thank you.
Shaw: FascismAs long as it maintains private property it must, as we have seen, end in a social morass of general poverty and exceptional riches, slavery, and parasitism, with the ever present threat of proletarian revolution held off by grudging doles that seem less attractive than the Bread and Circuses of the ancient Roman fascism which persisted and dragged down the European civilization of that time with it, precisely as modern fascism will if it remains only the latest mask of capitalism.
if you feel the mans work out weighs the evil in his heart then so be it. I have a deep love of culture but I am also able to judge based on the bigger picture of the total contribution of the person to the culture. This man promoted a culture of killing people that he felt were not fit to live in his Utopian world.
I guess you are ok with the fact that he felt people of color where greatly inferior to contributions of society and that every year people should be before a council and prove their need to exist. If they were found not to be fit then they should be killed? Thats all ok with you because the man had a way with pen and paper? Anti-fascist? he loved Mussolini and visited him as a friend often.
@breda83 He was born in Ireland, but he lived and worked in England most of his life. Works commonly refer to him as an Irish, English, Anglo-Irish or Irish-British playwright. All are correct.
Wat700son, you are absolutly right. Not only was he a monster he was an evil socialist who supported the Nazis and wanted us to destroy our constitution!
This man called for the death of millions of people. He supported Stalin and Hitler's rise to power. He was a Marxian socialist who believed in the systematic killing of "undesirables". He wrote that what the world needed was 'a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly'; and for the extermination of 'useless races' on a scientific bases.
"Hitler found exactly what Shaw had called for in the Zyklon-B gas with which he snuffed out the lives of six million Jews and other 'useless races.'
So? Shaw never killed anybody, nor did his ideas influence totalitarian regimes, he was at best a misguided follower of certain ideals.His drama and literature gave much to the world and reducing his legacy to some idiotic remarks he made as an elderly man is not only misguided it is a grotesque manipulation. Read about his life and legacy before making such self-righteous summaries about a man you clearly know nothing about.
Hitler never personally killed anyone either. Like Shaw, Hitler gave much to his people in the form of economic rebirth. How is factually recounting his horrible beliefs a manipulation? Shame on you for your poor atttempt to defend the indefensible. I'll come over and molest your daughter. I'm a good guy and have contributed much to society so I know you not only would have no problem with it, but would defend me in indefensible deeds. Shaw- Best known for giving Nazis gas chambers.
Shaw never made the cornerstone of his life hatred for others, it was just a very peripheral belief he held. He never rallied armies or set up death camps like Hitler, this man was simply a writer who never used his rhetoric to agitate crowds. HUGE DIFFERENCE. That is why your comparison is flawed. I'm not defending the fact that he held these beliefs, all I am saying is that it is unfair to judge him simply by a very unrepresenting quote he made as an old man. Your comparison is idiotic.
Th ides of the Enlightenment were so much better than the garbage of the middle class coming out of this age.
rgaleny 2 weeks ago
After reviewing this, no wonder Orwell wrote Animal Farm and 1984.
rgaleny 2 weeks ago
I find I love and Hate the Victorians and the Edwardians.
rgaleny 2 weeks ago
Shaw was a murderer. He was Evil and deserves to be remembered as such.
weveridge 5 months ago
English...afraid he was Irish matey...pretty basic error that undermines credibility of this post.
bobwaits 7 months ago
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George Bernard Shaw Sucks!
kyler565 11 months ago
Shaw was a Fabian.
All Fabians deserve a slow painful death to match the numbers of murders they are collectively guilty of.
m1aws 1 year ago
@DaughterofEthosV Great comment! There is a huge elitist mentality in our culture, primarily present in those who have never held a non-government job. Socialism (including the National Socialist Party) is not about equality, it is about killing whoever those in charge would like to do away with. It is about power over others.
runr100 1 year ago
I guess this means an evil man who promoted government so powerful, that it is fully responsible to feed, cloth, & house everyone should also require individuals to justify their existence to that government (the arbiter of everything "Big government"), is also capable of being witty a time or two.
Shaw knew how to put on a good face to disguise evil, he shows us how. Fabian socialist intentions were represented in their logo, a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Fabian = progressive = socialist
dtvgmedia 1 year ago
He was a vegan and to me, this is man´s most noble quality.
Compassion = Veganism
sallesluciana 1 year ago
@sallesluciana So was Hitler
cdoug1 1 year ago
Truth hurts. Always does. ;-)
DaughterOfEthosV 1 year ago
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@Aikun2012"I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? "
NO. Typical liberal with elitist mentality. There is no gray area regarding his morbid beliefs. I burned his books a long time ago. I haven't missed a thing. We the people do not have to like him, this is the beauty of being free. Too bad he had to seek the dark side. What a waste.
DaughterOfEthosV 1 year ago
I can understand digressing against a person when you believe they are wrong and that George Bernard Shaw had a characteristic many people would dislike today. But to surmise and slander a man for offending others makes you no better than that man you say is morally wrong. Now I finish with a quote: "Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others." --CIcero
Aikun2012 1 year ago
And just because he is not a nice man does not make him any less human or respectful. I dislike it when people like a person just because they are nice and easy to talk to. Screw that. Being nice is a great thing mind you, but if it becomes your basic criteria for judging others then you are being ignorant. I'm not picking any certain person right now, but these days, I dislike the impertinent, audacious characteristics we, in society, have when we deduce others... I mean, I see it every day....
Aikun2012 1 year ago
I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? I know that him supporting killing people is morally and ethically wrong, but to enforce that he is a bad man with an evil heart is too presumptuous. George Bernard Shaw is a unique man, and I believe that we should respect him for that which he has done, not that for which he has thought and said... Has he killed any Jews, Blacks? No... I believe not.
Aikun2012 1 year ago
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@Aikun2012 "I know that this man was a supporter of killing "inferior" humans, and dislikes some aspects of humanity with a passion, but don't we all? "
NO. Typical liberal with elitist mentality. There is no gray area regarding his morbid beliefs. I burned his books a long time ago. I haven't missed a thing. We the people do not have to like him, this is the beauty of being free. Too bad he had to seek the dark side. What a waste.
DaughterOfEthosV 1 year ago
@Aikun2012 brilliant comment!
sallesluciana 1 year ago
He was not a nice man - in his words he would like YOU to justify your existence - this man had a hatred of humanity - do your homework on him before you go claiming people have a hatred of culture - he was a founding member of the Fabian Society. But I supose they're a nice bunch too eh?
BriMcIntyre 1 year ago
this man was a motivational factor in the life of Hitler and is one of the biggest racist and vile people in modern history. I am sure many would feel Hitlers skills in the written word would be worth praise as well.
HHODork 1 year ago
@HHODork Complete and utter nonsense.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago 4
Convenient you didn't include the quotes where George said all the unfit people should be gassed.
stater68 1 year ago
who here is from Bush MS
KoolAidKO 1 year ago
"I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. In short, a gentlemanly gas — deadly by all means, but humane not cruel."
"you know, we should do it while playing lovely classical music as we march them into the gas chambers." George Shaw
ObsessedwithZelda2 1 year ago
"George Bernard Shaw entered England as an alien, as an invader, as a coqueror. In other words he entered England as an Irishman." G.K. Chesterton
helenaZZZZirlandaise 1 year ago
everyone needs a boogeyman...
kornflayx 1 year ago
"You'll have to come to us to justify your existence."..Evil illuminati scum.
AR2D76 1 year ago
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George Bernard Shaw supported Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin. He also said "I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. In short- a gentlemanly gas deadly by all means, but humane, not cruel."
The Germans developed precisely that. It was called Cyclon-B and was used to kill Jews in places like Auschwitz and Buchenwald.
JCB1986b 1 year ago
Amazing to see people praise the man and defend him to the hilt, but fail to know where he was born. He was Irish. He even had a well known quote about being and Irishman in England. Ahh....nevermind.
VivaLaPol 2 years ago
Shaw fought against and hated fascists all his life. It is a little ironic that fascists today are lying and claiming that he was a fascist. Only people ignorant of Shaw, his work, and his time can believe such savage and terrible lies.
Here is Shaw defending Jews against fascist attacks: "The Jews generally give value. They make you pay; but they deliver the goods. In my experience the men who want something for nothing are invariably Christians."
JayPhilosopher 2 years ago
@JayPhilosopher LOL. You are a brainwashed fool. Shaw was as evil as the evil he some readily embraced!
Tabooga65 2 years ago
He was the greatest English playwright since Shakespeare. He was as charming, sweet and lovable as he was brilliant. Politically, he was always on the side of the working class and the oppressed and always against the fascists and capitalist exploiters and con men.
One may criticize him for being a reformist and believing the road to socialism lay through parliament, democracy and voting instead of revolution.
This idea was commonly accepted by many working class intellectuals at the time.
JayPhilosopher 2 years ago
and Hitler kept the trains running on time. This man was evil.
HHODork 1 year ago
@HHODork Calling George Bernard Shaw evil just shows your hatred of culture. He was the greatest English playwrite since Shakespeare. His plays are still enjoyed by millions of people every year. His anti-fascist and pro-humanist ideals are celebrated everywhere on Earth among educated people and will continue to be so. The slanders against this wonderful man by ignorant neo-fascists will do much to revive and incrase his reputation and ideas. Thank you.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago
Shaw: FascismAs long as it maintains private property it must, as we have seen, end in a social morass of general poverty and exceptional riches, slavery, and parasitism, with the ever present threat of proletarian revolution held off by grudging doles that seem less attractive than the Bread and Circuses of the ancient Roman fascism which persisted and dragged down the European civilization of that time with it, precisely as modern fascism will if it remains only the latest mask of capitalism.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago
if you feel the mans work out weighs the evil in his heart then so be it. I have a deep love of culture but I am also able to judge based on the bigger picture of the total contribution of the person to the culture. This man promoted a culture of killing people that he felt were not fit to live in his Utopian world.
HHODork 1 year ago
I guess you are ok with the fact that he felt people of color where greatly inferior to contributions of society and that every year people should be before a council and prove their need to exist. If they were found not to be fit then they should be killed? Thats all ok with you because the man had a way with pen and paper? Anti-fascist? he loved Mussolini and visited him as a friend often.
HHODork 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher
breda83 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher Shaw was an Irishman
breda83 1 year ago
@breda83 He was born in Ireland, but he lived and worked in England most of his life. Works commonly refer to him as an Irish, English, Anglo-Irish or Irish-British playwright. All are correct.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher Still doesn't make him a limey
breda83 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher Shaw was an Irishman
breda83 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher Shaw was an Irishman
breda83 1 year ago
This guy was a sociopathic monster
wat700son 2 years ago
Wat700son, you are absolutly right. Not only was he a monster he was an evil socialist who supported the Nazis and wanted us to destroy our constitution!
SavingUSA101 2 years ago
IRISH u tosspot!
jcon18 2 years ago
IRISH
xsb08170 2 years ago
Shaw was irish...
swhertha 2 years ago
George Bernard Shaw was an Irish man, not English. loftygg, thank God someone had the brains to point out that most obvious point!
bridiecoolm 2 years ago
This man called for the death of millions of people. He supported Stalin and Hitler's rise to power. He was a Marxian socialist who believed in the systematic killing of "undesirables". He wrote that what the world needed was 'a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly'; and for the extermination of 'useless races' on a scientific bases.
"Hitler found exactly what Shaw had called for in the Zyklon-B gas with which he snuffed out the lives of six million Jews and other 'useless races.'
DarkGodSunshineBand 3 years ago
So? Shaw never killed anybody, nor did his ideas influence totalitarian regimes, he was at best a misguided follower of certain ideals.His drama and literature gave much to the world and reducing his legacy to some idiotic remarks he made as an elderly man is not only misguided it is a grotesque manipulation. Read about his life and legacy before making such self-righteous summaries about a man you clearly know nothing about.
rufustspaulding 2 years ago
Hitler never personally killed anyone either. Like Shaw, Hitler gave much to his people in the form of economic rebirth. How is factually recounting his horrible beliefs a manipulation? Shame on you for your poor atttempt to defend the indefensible. I'll come over and molest your daughter. I'm a good guy and have contributed much to society so I know you not only would have no problem with it, but would defend me in indefensible deeds. Shaw- Best known for giving Nazis gas chambers.
loetzfan 2 years ago
Shaw never made the cornerstone of his life hatred for others, it was just a very peripheral belief he held. He never rallied armies or set up death camps like Hitler, this man was simply a writer who never used his rhetoric to agitate crowds. HUGE DIFFERENCE. That is why your comparison is flawed. I'm not defending the fact that he held these beliefs, all I am saying is that it is unfair to judge him simply by a very unrepresenting quote he made as an old man. Your comparison is idiotic.
rufustspaulding 2 years ago
George Bernard Shaw was Irish! Get your facts right!
loftygg 3 years ago
I enjoyed that very much!
Largo64 3 years ago
wise man, wise man.
TinoTaliTintti 3 years ago
true, true.
debunker1905 2 years ago