Nobody is saying we must flood African countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural. Nobody is saying we must flood Asian countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural. Nobody is saying we must flood South American countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural.
Multiculturalism and mass immigration into White countries and White countries only is GENOCIDE.
"BNP's Racist Nick Griffin & Richard Edmonds Filmed Secretly" (Griffin slates on "black tribes")
"Nick Griffin proves himself to a be a right loony (C4 News, 25.04.10)" (Griffin says people should discriminate if they want to and the state shouldnt interfere)
I'm going to stop for now, and see if you are able to look all these examples up because I think that is enough evidence for the time being.
@TheSchemer1 I understand you views, and mine have changed somewhat since making this video. But the key point I failed to drive hard enough is dialogue over confrontation.
@TheSchemer1 First, Im talking more about the supporters rather than the party it's self. Confrontation: on the attack, full on condemnation reducing everything they say to racism and Nazism. Clearly there are problems with Immigration, intergration and Politcal correctness. They need an optional discourse to the BNPs which is a refinement of those views and not a conversion.
@JustB3NJI Well unlike most BNP haters I used examples to back up my points rather than just say racist, fascist etc. i like to say why.. in english lessons one doctrine im taught is P.P.E. Point, example, explain/explore.
@TheSchemer1 Well that wasn't be harsh on you, but of course the concluesions are the same, you are also talking to a very UN-PC crowd, know that. Im aware of the damning evidence against Griffin and the BNP and it is clear supports have already (or will) find ways to shrug it off. It is EXACTLY like any other ideological clashes. Look at all the great sociological work which smashes the ideology of the Tories - Do they listen? Push too far and they just wont care. Honey vs Vinegar.
@JustB3NJI But in my opinion, it still proves that they are racist and not nice people, again I am not an overly PC left wing liberal i am a centre-leftist but if they make jokes that are taking rip out of the holocaust and what the jews had to go through and all the rest of it then I dont see why any one could possibly like them. (I am of jewish background).
@TheSchemer1 Its the opinion of most people. But what are your intentions when joining the debate on the BNP? I strongly think we to behave more like Diplomats rather than Politicans, if were in the deabte to make a difference. For the life of me I'll never understand the filth that is Tory-dom, but they are right sometimes! And so are the BNP. No one is ever wholly incorrect and theres always something to learn, I learned they hold too much capital on too many issues Lab con & Dem avoid.
@TheSchemer1 Capital as in monopoly. For someone whom PC, immigration, islamification and British identity are hot button issues and they look to political parties for who best represents their views, they only have the BNP - perhaps UKIP too. It isnt always that the views match up, but that it looks as if it is only the BNP who dare go into depth. This was admitted to by all the major parties when Griffin was on Question Time, but any attempt to deal with it fizzeled out.
@TheSchemer1 Well the BNP have certainly evolved and continue to change. Is it a clever game or genuine reform? I think it's a mix. No doubt there are some truly vile people who support them and feel Griffin has gone too soft, but a recent and vey in depth study shown that the BNPs biggest growing demographic is university students. It isn't exactly discontent working class labour voters as once thought. I think the picture remains unclear, but of course it leans to the negative side of things.
@TheSchemer1 The video evidence that damns the BNP is something when I fully play devil advocate is something I find near impossible to justify. One objective viewpoint is that the videos are far an few in between and is confined to a few people that dont nessacrly reflect everyone else, but that isn't something that flies too well in relation tot he rest of their history. But I do think a LOT more decent and fair minded people support them these days.
Im not convinced by your arguments, but thank you anyway. I believe the BNP are racist because they make jokes DIRECTLY TARGETING blacks, jews etc. There is a shocking (the content is shocking) video of Nick Griffen saying how "Black people arent very clever" and all that, this is not me being an "overly left wing mug" here or a leftie extremist (I AM Centre-left but not stupidly left), this is facts.
This is the first video ive heard from a non BNP supporter saying it how it is with an impartial view Its a shame that predudice is fine as long as its against the BNP and some people actively point score as to how much they can harass its supporters.
@ninjascroll6789 - The opening tune is called "Breaking the Ice" it's a remix of song for the "Ice Cap" level on Sonic 3. The second is a Mega Man remix called "Passing the Blue crown" - You can download both legally and for free at ocremixdotorg - Which is a videogame music remix community website of souly unknown talents who I reckon do some flippin great work. The music there is also totally free for any use so long as your not profiting.
This is nothing more than a plea to apathy! As an argument, it carries no weight. It is unethical to suggest that people should stop opposing bigotry, regardless of how much that bigotry is 'diluted'.
Well, if you can't keep track of what you said in your own vid, I can't be bothered to list all the points for you but you start @0:09 and don't stop.
I am calling a spade a spade, it's you who's trying to make apologies for the politics of bigots. And the leaders of the BNP are bigots; demonstrably so. If you don't know that, you have no place making vids about them.
@stamboni316 - Pot calling the Kettle black there methinks. You talk as if this video is giving the BNP the big thumbs up, when realy it's overall message is chillax. Just re-read those first few points again up to about 2:50. Your seriously getting on your high horse for reasons that don;t really match the points im making.
@JustB3NJI I didn't say that you supported the BNP, I said that your vid promoted apathy. I don't claim to know your politics but a message of chillax is inappropriate IMO considering the seriousness of the subject. As for 'pot calling the kettle black', I believe the adage 'the price of freedom is eternal vigilance'. I have an open mind to feed and closed eyes serve no purpose.
I rate the guy that made this vid, altho my opinions of BNP are much stronger, send them all back to where they are from, once they are there you never know they might prefer it.
@richardblabla both can be found at ocremixdotorg - Both are remixes of computer game songs. The first is sonic 3 ice-cap, Breaking the ice. The other is mega man, the passing of the blue crown.
I dislike your policies, your animated-truth and your spelling of 'you're' in the title. I have great comfort knowing the BNP will never run this country. :)
I dont think they will ever get in power either, and thats probably a good thing because they can be too judgemental using petty things as a basis of attack. I see you know the merits of doing so!
God if YOURE going t be cunty over a spelling error it's a good job you didn't read the video you've have turned into a giant minge.
I got rid of them because it was endless blathering on his behalf he left about 120 comments. I left up a few but i didn't think it was fair to anyone who was looking through the comment to endure that crap. He's welcome summarise that in a few messages and ill leave it up, but 2 hours read was too much clutter - he take satsfaction in knowing I do the same with all conversation, including the ones Im mostly responsible for.
SO I'm being honest - before some tries to say I'm against free speech or something retarded like that....I recently removed 137 comments as they were mostly all from the same person and then the surrounding replies as they made little sense stood alone. It bame a circular argument that I should have niped in the bud time ago and because it was mostly irrelevant to the points raised in the video. Plus the guy in question censors many comments on his channel, so why sud I not do it to him!
The BNP only hinders our fight against Eurabia. It will not help us. Stick with the EDL. The BNP's talk of browns and whites distracts us from the main problem; Islamisation. As Pat Condell says, the BNP and Anjem Choudary are two sides of the same coin.
The BNP cannot erase it's racist past. For the EDL to ally with the BNP is effective to surrender to Islamisation. This is about religion, not race.
Hi just had a really good hour or two on your site. i am aged 51 and been a nationalist since i was 19. You claim to be one thing but in some respects you are more right wing than i am. Any way it takes all sorts and your political videos where totaly fair and unbiased which is very rare these days. Thanks i really enjoyed watching.Also the where all set to really good music tracks.
Superb Video, You taken the words from my mouth but put them into a real descriptive context. one of the best ever made, no hate no racism not to liberal just right.
There is no myths about the bnp, only cold hard facts!
Fact is there ultimately racist! no better than the Zionists.
Parcel it up how you want, put pretty pink ribbons on, it make no difference...
We all know what there truly about...
Remember the national front, still there, nothings changed, except maybe nick griffin has trouble fitting into his Gestapo uniform these days, i mean he has put on some poundage lately
Fact is there ultimately racist! - Opinion+gross generalisation - All of them? Every voter?
YOur talking about 30 years ago - Are the tories still thatcherites? is Labour still a true socialist party?
You exposeyour attitude perfectly...Sat there talking about the right and wrong about things only to resort to crude insults yourself with a fat joke.
If there was any clout to your point of view that killed it.
With that said, its clear you paidd little attention anyway.
More people should actually read the BNPs policies so they can know the truth of what the BNP stands for, rather than listening to the fascist ranting of the Liblabcons, the media and the brain dead thugs of the UAF. INTELLIGENT PEOPLE will always do their own research (as you obviously have done) rather than taking as GOSPEL truth what others, particularly lying MPs and journalists say.
I have been voting BNP for a few years now, as the rest of them have lost touch with reality they don't know what the people of Britain want anymore. Yes we have militant Muslims in the world but we have invaded their countries illegally standing Tony Blair and Bush in the shadow of Adolf Hitler. We have invaded for oil and we call the Muslims fighting for their lands rebels and even terrorists in their own countries this is upside down logic!
If we were not killing Muslims in their own countries we would not have Muslims demonstrating in our streets or plotting to attack us. Britain and the US have used these fake or manipulated attacks on our lands to create laws to deprive us of our rights as long-term citizens of these countries. Check out oil politics of the Caspian Sea and you will slowly realise I know what I am talking about. Adolf invaded Russia because he needed oil, things havent changed much in 60 years!
@0ddba11s - I agree. But I think it is problematic that British muslims feel more of an affiliation to foriegn lands than the country they live in - I think anyone in any situation (eg if I moved to China and moaned about china) is living in the wrong country.
Of course anyone who wants to protest the war has a right and a very good reason to. But I think theres a fine line between reasoned dissent & hate. Teaming up with radicals and fundementalists is that step too far, to which I say get out.
i agree with about 90% of BNP policy, benefits for instance! only about 9% is race related and most of it is about facing up to the real problems that people legally living here have to face... problems that the major parties totally ignore.
they won't get into power, but maybe we can send a message to the liblabcon that something needs to change!
This country needs unintelligent, anti-democratic, fascist scum like you even less than it needs intelligent, democratic people such as those in the BNP.
Pretty much my point exactly. Griffin can only be a pain in the ass however of more make a protest vote.
Like I say the chances of the BNP ever winning or becoming so powerful they can do as they please I believe is impossible. I think those in the HoC know this, but continue to fight them to avoid dealing with the concerns of most British people, concerns which are obviously too muh hard work for these overpaid people. (Immigration, PC, radical Islam, unjust prison sentances etc)
Exactly. Even IF they had a majority the people of the UK would not allow forced deportation of non-whites anyway, even though that isn't even one of their policies.
A great video and well put. If it weren't for the racist past of their members (and current racism of some too) and their determination to bring in the death penalty I'd vote for them.
I'd rather vote for a "referendum party" which would hold an EU referendum and then dismiss parliament though :-)
As for no longer being racist. When Griffin stands in front of a KKK meeting and says "our ideas are the same as your ideas" I think the claim they are not racists is somewhat flawed.
Yes, you do have a point. At the time I made this I hadn't seen that footage, and even so it is an old video. However when I saw it and I did think to myself "and thats why I definatly wont be voting for them!" I cant ignore it and the possibility of subterfuge.
Like I say though, it doesn't worry me because of how hard it would for them to get into power, how they'd have to change on that journey to power, and the opposition they'd face if they were in power.
It is quite easy to fall into the trap of believing he has spoken to the KKK saying that, however it was actually a group called "American Friends of the BNP" (no, really) it just so happened that David Duke, a former member of the KKK, was there.
Credit where credit is due, I know he said that and it is the biggest reason, why I still cant give my actual support to the BNP via my vote.
It was back in 2000 (or was 2002) youve got to give everyone a chance at redeption.
The point remains however as Griffin went on to say, they are valid points, they are good points, we should have a dialogue we should address the issues: take the wind out of thier sails not thier stomachs. even so as I say, we dont have to worry.
And on topic: It's not a fear of the BNP getting power that worries their opponents, it's the fact that people exist which have their opinions at all. That is worrying enough, regardless of politics. Many of their policies are based on misunderstandings and ignorance, not facts.
Also, Obama was talking about how he saw nationalised healthcare as a solution back in 2007 on the campaign trail. He didn't 'soften his policies' in that regard once in power.
Obama kinda let hillary steal the thunder on healthcare however, and analysists did put her downfall down to healthcare (well those who didn't say it was because she was a women, white, or got a hammering in the media)
oh..or when she lost that first state she won cos they took the vote too early, if it counted she also would have won, but she had time to fight on and win regardless.
Okay English Man it's time to wipe off your shit-eating grins and fight for your country or you just might as well let the Muslims take your women and indoctrinate your kids about how evil you are...put down your beer for a moment and get angry...get really angry....now vote BNP...and wipe those stupid cheeky grins off your faces!
This treachourous Government comes out with more shit than a horses arse - the only thing they never mention is the problem of immigration & Islamification. Vote for BNP for Christ's Sake.
9. if Britain is coloured as a fascist nation then it will lose its resepect in the world and the emerging non-white nations would boycot UK - yes they will afford it and for example, India will definitely rethink abt their ultimate relationship with UK as there are almost 150 million Muslims there. This is primitive thinking, They want to use ppl's emotions to blackmail their way to power.
7. ppl lilke me have been caling BNP to open publid debates - why will they simply not take it up and let the public decide? Why do they have to have rendezvous to spread malicious lies abt Islam and brand Islam as a disgusting faith depending on what the fanatics do?
8. their agenda has been creating trouble around the globe already as facsist views are flourishing in Europe and even in Australia where somne Indian studensts have been beaten up today;
Point seven is crazy jaja, despite their bitter protests the BNP have been shunned by the media in this country for far too long, but the outcome of the euro elections has changed that. The media are now prepared to give them a platform, although no doubt the panels, audiences and questions will all be those of the leftist persuasion! Should be interesting though! :-)
Open discussions are what we need, which is why the BNP deserve a fairer hearing. The mentality of those fighting the BNP only makes the BNP stronger. So if the BNP are bad guys they make it a lot harder for people to see thier true colours.
People like the UAF must know this: I believe they continue because the UAF couldn't have a dialogue with them; The UAF dont just stand against fascism, they stand against anyone who questions Islam and immigration. They dont want a debate.
4. are the fascist Muslims? ofcourse there are and I made videos abt that being a devoted Muslim. Can anyone show me one video made by a devoted Christian or Jew or Hindu who said that there are fascists amongst their own faiths? No - Zero!
5. Voluntary repaitriation - nonsense - u don't create that slogan and not expect ppl to start chanting at u - 'go home' when u have lived here for decades;
6. if they go to power - they will change law to their liking if the opposition is too small.
Your points are things I rejected before even making this video, it's outright paranoya which can be applied to a lot of people and parties. Being a fan of Yes minister they totally sold me the message that you can't do fuck all big in government.
YOu also miss the point it's about acknoleging the BNPs points. It's not fascist to be at odd with immigration.
1. u do not put urslf in fire in the streets to be noticed by all else abt ur agenda;
2. a fascist group is a fascist group no mantter how much they change their cover like Putin is the breed of the KGB in a so called democratic ocuntry of Russia;
3. if u ignore abt the crouching evil agendas of BNP, they will do the same thing as BJP in India did and took the power from voters who voted them to power being manipulated by frenzy and volatile issue;
I would also like to point out that in the "Audacity of hope" by Obama, even he who is redily accused of being an open borders promoter nots that the fears about immigration are without foundation and it isn;t enough to brush these complaints aside by branding them as intolerant and protectionist.
I have NEVER met a BNP supporter I actually liked or would like living next door to. Most were thugs, ex-criminals, or people of very low intelligence. Forget about the policies for a minute, and think what would happen if the party ever got into power. These people would become emboldened and you'd see harassment and attacks on minorities, homosexuals, etc. You would soon find yourself living in a VERY unpleasant society. Be careful what you wish for.
try and save england from islamification - its going to come - not all BNP supoters are thugs - all parties have the wrong sort of people in them - but some are more stelthy - regards.
The thing is I dont believe that would be the case....'ve been given that impression all my life and I have rejected it. Like I say in my video, the more power and suppoert they get the softer they have become.
Someone probably said the same about the nazis 70 years ago. Afterall, totalitarian warlords or not, they did salvage the german economy, invest a great deal into the public domain and all the while hid behind a propaganda campaign laced with patriotic rhetoric and German supremacy. IS that an argument for nazi rule?
"Someone 'probably' said it about the Nazis"? That's the worst attempt to link the BNP to Nazis I have ever heard - even the other examples hold more weight than that.
I was illustrating how history repeats itself.The BNP and the nazis use patriotic nonsense as their excuse for extremism, they use propaganda to create divisions between cultures.
History repeats. Gulags never went away now it's called imprisonment without trial, propaganda never went away now it's called PR, the scapegoat never went away now it's the muslims. it's relied upon that we hate eachother, while we do we don't look at real issues like media manipulation, inequality,corruption
"media manipulation, inequality,corruption" -- I am well aware that those are social issues that need to be examined too, I am not an idiot. However, immigration (and, indeed, population on the whole) needs to be kept in check: a country cannot run efficiently if the demand for resources exceeds the actual supply a country has. These are issues the BNP are tapping in to more than the other parties (with the exception of UKIP).
In an age where public money is being used to fight illegal wars, pay off big business for their own stupidity and privatise our services then are plenty of resources and funds in the pot for far more people to live in this country provided we are willing to give up some of the listed activities. Immigration brings a workforce that are willing to do the menial jobs we won't, it helps out big business, it pays taxes and thus it provides the resources we need for such a population increase
Immigration (in moderation) is fine - relatively lax immigration is not. There needs to be better screening of immigrants, and there needs to be more stringent guidelines i.e. being able to support oneself. Also, certain councils (such as Leicester) have council tax cuts under certain circumstances: they should contribute the same . I support the "Australian approach" to immigration. There's enough money? NHS is in a shambles, and pensioners get paid peanuts - hardly enough.
If we stop creating a series of push factors in the middle-east namely the war in iraq that drive wave upon wave of immigrants into the west, then we'd have no need for strigent border control as they would have no reason to leave their own countries. Councils having tax cuts for immigrants (i presume?) well they've clearly identified a group of people in need of state support, just like th emillions of indigenous whites that have been living off the tax man for years
Yet the BNP propose (as has been mentioned earlier) that we withdraw from the "illegal war" on the "Muslim world". Also, I can identify that some people are in need of financial support. However... You should first put in to the system. If an immigrant works for a year or so and unfortunately find themselves in financial need, then support them. Coming here in need of support from the offset is a burden on the system. Workfare, not welfare - this is applicable to both immigrants and natives.
to continue, yes there is enough money in the pot. As identified with my examples, if we stop investing in immoral activitities like the war and saving business there is. In fact they could do it anyway, the government have kept our services on a shoe string budget for years while the real investment has gone to greater arms/defence and disappeared in whitehall. These are issues we the oppressed british and the marginalised ethnic community should be uniting upon, not fighting over
see above answer on war -- regarding the corporate ideology behind the mask of the "working man's party", you have highlighted another reason why people vote for the BNP -- what other working class party is there (that realistically is actually going to have at least a grain of power)?
any party can have those qualities provided the population force those debates onto the national agenda, the human condition has been diluted so all we can think about is how someone else is to blame, the muslims, the right, the left, etc. These conflicts are what give parties like the BNP ground, they exploit the tensions. If we as a population addressed real issues instead of nonsense then every party would fall into line and truly serve the people. not just those that pretend to like the bnp
and by the way if you think the NHS is in a mess now, you wait until the PFI start to gain ground. Shit wages, staff cuts and loss of services, it will get worse
and again, another point which makes the BNP favourable to some (particularly working class)... They deplore privatisation - they are a statist party, with left of centre economic policies.
well if they are againt privatisation then good, that's evidence of a party listening to concerns of the public and reacting accordingly. all they need to do now is stop reacting to tabloid spin (the media being far worse a culprit for causing racial tension than the bnp ever could) and start providing solutions to our problems, not scapegoats and not causing tensions between the mélange of cultures that could happily coexist here if it wern't in part for their input
Indeed branching out to other topics than race is essential. It's done UKIP the world of good.
but i don't think it matters who is leader, whilst the party is still populated by misguided people who have a narrow view of culture and the dynamics of the world then they will never change. It's not there fault, it's comes from being brought up with fear and ignorance i could no more condemn them for hate than i could a begger for having bad teeth.
in fact look at the tories with cameron in charge. They have a new wrapper but we all know it's the same old tory ideology under the surface.
anyone with a hint of hope or ambition for genuine reform will be hounded out by the murdoch media before they get to high up they did it to michael foot, the best prime minister we never had.
That's totally incorrect - out of Labour and Tories, the Tories probably have the greater split in the "political wings" of the party. Cameron's ideology is completely different to Thatcherism (another wing in the party born of Thatcher's politics). Any hardcore Thatcherite dissenters risk facing the perils should they fail to follow party voting guidelines. Adding to your previous comment regarding Darby, under his leadership he could expel the nutters from the BNP.
the tories are still for privatisation, they support tuition fees, they support the war ( with a few minor reservations ot make themselves look good) and they still preach the same old "back to british values" stone age nonsense. Everything thatcher stood for
As for Darby, well he's not in charge yet, we'll have to wait and see if he does expel the "nutters"
Both Labour and Conservative are pledging to make cuts - just WHEN is the dividing issue. However, prior to the credit crisis and debt, Cameron probably wouldn't have removed welfare anyway, or privatise the NHS. Why? It'd be political suicide. Most Brits are in favour of the NHS - even if it is of bad quality - as it's there for those that need it.
So have you met alot of BNP supporters then? I'd hazard a guess that you infact haven't met a single one. There are hundreds of very intelligent BNP supportes on youtube alone. If you take the time to speak to them instead of jumping to conclusions i'm sure that like myself you'd find them very respectful, helpful, although perhaps a tad paranoid, but who can blame them? The BNP of old is very different to the modern BNP. Watch these vids-
Yes, I have met several. They were all highly unpleasant people, mostly of very low intelligence and literacy, some with a criminal background. I'm sure not all BNP supporters are like that. But it only takes a few to cause trouble. To imagine large numbers of morons and thugs pouring out into the streets celebrating after a BNP victory doesn't bear thinking about. Whatever your beliefs, you'd soon find yourself living in a VERY unpleasant society.
I in no way wish to question your integrity NatSci, but i get the feeling you are telling porky pies. Stereotyping is something which i really don't approve of. There are bad seeds in every political party, google 'liars buggers and thieves' as an example. The BNP has come a long way since the nineties and has done a very good job of cleaning up its image, to the point that alot of their more troublesome supporters are leaving because they believe the BNP are now not hardline enough. :-)
It's a question of NUMBERS. There are thugs and morons in every party, but the BNP attracts them in large numbers. A BNP victory will embolden these characters. Forget about the BNP. It will never get into office anyway. Work to change the mainstream parties. It will take a long time but it can be done. Even basket cases like France and Holland are slowly becoming less pc. Do not waste your time with pondlife.
I have never voted, and probably never will, i don't like politicians in general, however i do take an interest in politics and i see more sincerity in the BNP and its leaders than in any other party. It's just my gut instinct and i like to think i'm a good judge of character. The lib/lab/con have had their shot, it's time to move aside, even UKIP would be more acceptable in my opinion, atleast they realise the danger posed by the EU and Brussels. :-)
The problem with UKIP, though, is they are more economically libertarian (free market) than the BNP, and therefore not as appealing to the lower classes.
I agree, the whole party from the top down just seems to be lacking in character or originality, not to mention the whispers that they were set up and funded purely to offer an alternative to voting for the "fascists". Whether that's true or not it certainly worked. They drew away alot of the BNPs vote.
Nor would i, i'm just speculating on the grapevine. Politics is a dangerous game played by corrupt, insidious individuals who have the mentality of a leopard, i.e. a lone hunter out to look after ones self. I trust no-one really, but i'm a strong believer in change and think everyone should be given a fair crack of the whip. :-)
@xxproftrxx UKIP would be great but they are an elitist party, i personally dont give a monkeys about fox hunting or the building of wind farms on my 100 acres etc.
They have a flat rate of tax for everyone as well , i mean thats just laughable.
Look at this video, a prime example of the lies and propaganda created by groups such as the UAF.
/watch?v=1LVI-dQzKYg
I left a comment on it asking the poster what exactly this had to do with the BNP. I made it quite clear i am not a BNP member and was only pointing out that the video and description were lies, purely to paint the BNP in a bad light. What did he do? He blocked me and deleted my comments. Try it for yourself, go ask him and watch your comment disappear. :-)
Well theres no excusing or defending what those two people say, frankly it's obvious they need psychiatric help.
It can hardly been seen as a reflection of the BNP from an objective manner however. It's only two people. As with muslims I do not judged a whole group of people based on a few nutters. The BNP because of thier policies are bound to attract these people. Members aren't screened. Show me the BNP defending these two people and then you will have got my attention.
to be honest I did not even watch that video. As I had opened the link in the past. The fact that somone puts a graphic of a gun on their channel with the quote "to kill the BNP" was enough for me to ignore it. on both side of the argument there are extremists. And I belive that they should be stopped as violence is the argument of the ignorant
I am not a BNP member (nor did I vote BNP). but I abhor the victimisation and demonisation they suffer. Furthermore, I abhor the fact that the establishment was telling the electorate NOT to vote BNP, rather than offering solutions themselves - it's bad practice. The BNP have a couple of good ideas which should be looked at more by the mainstream parties, and yet, they (the mainstream) seem to think that BNP = automatically bad. Non-interventionism (military), for example... Is that a bad thing?
Justavaragejoe is your typical anti-BNPer. Unwilling to reason, unwilling to look at the bigger picture and prepared to lie to get a point across. :-)
lie pmsl. because of the things I state are not admitted by the BNP then they must be a lie, the BNP never lie do they. Anyway how is Barnbrooks tribunal about the murder lies he told going?
Liars, buggers and thieves, it's typical of an anti-BNP campaigner to attemp to turn this into a gay issue. Anyone with half a brain cell knows this is not the case. You are just highly vexed because in your eyes a gay liberal man should hate the BNP with the same amount of passion as yourself. The fact that he agrees with some of the BNP's policies and believes they should be given a platform must really get to you! Regards Barnbrook, i've no idea and to be honest i don't really care. :-)
Could i just point out to u2atomicbomb that the BNP vehemently opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars. If the muslims who live in Britain actually care about their 'brothers', who are being 'murdered' by British soldiers then they should vote BNP. :-)
Indeed. In Nick's own words addressing the European Parl. --- "Do not add the voice of this place to the war-mongers chorus for a third illegal and counter-productive attack by the West on the Muslim world." --- Labour is far more illiberal in that sense: they are way too interventionist.
It's very easy to oppose the war when you're in oppostion. Labour have handed the BNP the greatest gift they could. The wars have meant greater tension between cultures that the BNP can now motivate for their own ends.
It doesn't matter about individual parties anymore anyway, this country is ruled by America and multinational conglomerates.
Your definatly not wrong about opposing the war, almost every party in opposition in every democracy has played that card.
And certainly big buisness has every democracy by the scruff of the neck.
Controlled by America though? I don't buy that, I never have. Yes were allies, and yes we stand by them, but we do more than enough to show were independant of them. Even as a pro european I have to concede Brussels has more control over us than America.
Following them into their genocide in the middle-east is evidence enough of our subordination to them. And fair enough the EU are yet another super power in the making that we are falling into line with too
The BNP are just another blot on our collective unconscious tainting the world with an agenda of hate. They claim it's to protect national interests when really they are taking advantage of a series of inter-racial tensions to fuel their campaign.
If we stop bombing their countries into the stone age and our population didn't think it was above menial lwork then we'd have no need for immigration
As a trek fan i'd have thought you'd welcome the decline in border control. Roddenberry believed a way to overcome cultural barriers was by a greater mélange, thus you have the Picards an english family living in france in perfect harmony. Of course they're white and western. IT's the foreign johnnys further a field that it's ok to hate isn't it
Well Being a Trek fan is why I think what I think. The federation will not trade with or allow planets to join which have value system or are socially behind the trend which is opposed to thier own. This is Picard rejected giving support to the Kes, for example, why Bajors application is still going through and why they have only ever proposed treaties to other certain species.
The federation never got so tolerant it accepted intolerance
there have been a number of examples in later trek of the federation tolerating other governments unjust actions. But you missed my point altogether. The federation are of course not so naive that they would allow terrorist fundamentalists to enter and attack them. But then again they don't launch unprovoked attacks on other worlds, unlike us who freely think we have a right to do so, and then moan when SHOCK HORROR some of them hate us and our entire beliefs system and take extreme actions
Well besides section 31 attempting genocide on the founders, but granted that doesn't technically count. I dont disagree with anything in that message. This is however the point I try to make with my 'women-beater' metaphor. But bear in mind thier anger is directed at us as much as the goernment and didnt we overwhelmingly oppose the war? Conversly you do not tolerate the BNP yet if you use the same logic you could understand why they act so angry and thus defend it.
The federation in later trek, never tolerated unjust actions when it was a federation memeber. When the klingon attempted to invade Cardassia they ended thier treaty, and they weren't even in the federation. The only time you find them breaking thier own rules is in wartime, such as killing a romulan in a set up to make Romulus break its non agression pact with the dominion and join the fight on the federations side, and of course secretly condoning Section 32
people are not asking the right questions the human condition has been corrupted by nonsense. Budding minds are watching x factor as 4 millionaires laugh at deluded fools when they should be striving for more from themselves and humanity.They should enquire why it's ok for Israel to be armed to the teeth yet we threaten war on Iran for their understandable desire to arm.They should be calling for the invasion of the US for its war on nicaragua if we hold ourselves to the same standard as Iraq
Insurrection - the federation breaking their own priciples. Janeway's constant misreading of the Prime directive, but besides trek. Quite rightly you identify the "extremists" target the population aswell as the UK government, despite public opposition to war, and I say to you again, you try and act in a logical manner with the destruction of your home and family all the while the docile British sit by their TV screens being fed another dose of anti-muslim lies by murdoch and bill o'reilly etc
Soz I will reply proply to you message in a mo, but I just wanted to be a bit naughty and joke...Well there hasnt been any muslim charecters or actors in Star Trek...Subliminal point? Remember Im joking lol!
well you're right there has been no muslim actors which is a real shame, but they can't have muslim characters as humanity has seen past the need for religion in the 24th century remember.
Ethnic characters in trek have been well-received i feel, i mean i love Sisko, tuvok was a good character too. Bashir hmm a little wooden and kim...Garret Wang was in fact a tree in real life his performances were so bad
The passing religion thing should tell something about to how we whould respond to fundementalist intentions, be it in the terorist manner of random people who have issues or the totalitarion manner as is the case for Islamic Theocracies. your right about the non white charecters being well recieved DS9 isn't just my favorite Trek but its my favorite show. It's clear why it wasn;t well recieved in general thou...Forget black and white, humans were a minority in that show!
Britain has a stong media in oppositions to Murdochs unlike America. The problem is we should all be angry at the destution of lives in these wars, and if the muslims here in the UK are British, they should be on the same level as us. Immigration should mean patriotism. Those people dont belong here if they see themselves more alligned to a different country. Thats universal. And again, Understanding people is important and should be factored in, but it doesn't justify wrong doing.
well i don't see much media opposition to murdoch either here or the US.
the point is we cannot go about destroying other nations, allow them asylum here and expect them to peacefully coexist with the very people that caused their hell.
As for the EU2009 manifesto, just going on the keywords they chose in thier title graphic. Here what i think you'll not like but what I also dont like "No to Asylum Seekers" "British jobs for British workers" "British weights & measures" and possibly "Wales" (Im joking!)
Can you really say though that any of them are unacceptable polices?
I read the rest and I can't fairly condem the BNP through it. Its a good manifesto, shame a pro-European isn't singing modified version.
if you seen a news report that gave a quarter of the story would you then claim that you know everything about the story. As thats all that document is. Is the headlines and no content.
ah yeah the 14 page document with very large text and photos. I have that as well an there is nothing in it about anything of interest. The 2005 manifesto is 54 pages and normal size text. Page 23 paragraph 3 is the section about faith and folk schools.
I'm not trying to attack you over this, but you are defending the BNP without any evidence that this 2005 manifesto is not their current policies. As what is on their web site is still current with what is in that document. The BNP policies do change with the seasons. Yet this immigration policy remains. yet as stated the BNP had a person with terrorist links and promotes immigration into the UK speak at their summer jamboree.
Ive just read ther 2009 county council elecions (Ill be honest with my assement)
There wasn't a shread of racism or facism in it. The closest thing to that was "This country was built on the sacrifices of the British people and all elected politcan therefore have a duty to give the British peopl the country they diserve" & "Natural heritage"
All in all it was very good 'speech'. But it did lack any acutal policies, it was somewhat vague, but It could be written for lib/lab or con & pass.
The BNP have racist policies (the 2005 Manifesto stands until their next one. As it is what they propose on if they gain power). Yet now you have decided to attack me from not agreeing with your prejudices that support the BNP's policies. I have already had three messages today from people, about our discourse. With one common trait. You seem to be doing the "I'm not racist but" stance. That But is a very huge word in this context.
[continued from previous message] ----- Normally it has very little significance in conversation, but it's time to bring it in here - not only is "buggers" NOT used for gay politicians (but rather ANY politician in general who does not act professionally), it is also something that I am not offended by... and yes, I am gay. Have you actually read "Liars, Buggers, and Thieves"? Just wondering...
I stopped watching when you misspelled 'opponents'.
practicepants 2 months ago
@practicepants you missed about 4 other mistakes b4 that.
JustB3NJI 2 months ago
Nobody is saying we must flood African countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural. Nobody is saying we must flood Asian countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural. Nobody is saying we must flood South American countries with mass immigration to make them more multicultural.
Multiculturalism and mass immigration into White countries and White countries only is GENOCIDE.
Anti racism is a code word for anti White.
Alphaman7100 2 months ago
More examples:
"BNP's Racist Nick Griffin & Richard Edmonds Filmed Secretly" (Griffin slates on "black tribes")
"Nick Griffin proves himself to a be a right loony (C4 News, 25.04.10)" (Griffin says people should discriminate if they want to and the state shouldnt interfere)
I'm going to stop for now, and see if you are able to look all these examples up because I think that is enough evidence for the time being.
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 I understand you views, and mine have changed somewhat since making this video. But the key point I failed to drive hard enough is dialogue over confrontation.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI confrontation, what do you mean?
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 First, Im talking more about the supporters rather than the party it's self. Confrontation: on the attack, full on condemnation reducing everything they say to racism and Nazism. Clearly there are problems with Immigration, intergration and Politcal correctness. They need an optional discourse to the BNPs which is a refinement of those views and not a conversion.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI Well unlike most BNP haters I used examples to back up my points rather than just say racist, fascist etc. i like to say why.. in english lessons one doctrine im taught is P.P.E. Point, example, explain/explore.
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 Well that wasn't be harsh on you, but of course the concluesions are the same, you are also talking to a very UN-PC crowd, know that. Im aware of the damning evidence against Griffin and the BNP and it is clear supports have already (or will) find ways to shrug it off. It is EXACTLY like any other ideological clashes. Look at all the great sociological work which smashes the ideology of the Tories - Do they listen? Push too far and they just wont care. Honey vs Vinegar.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI But in my opinion, it still proves that they are racist and not nice people, again I am not an overly PC left wing liberal i am a centre-leftist but if they make jokes that are taking rip out of the holocaust and what the jews had to go through and all the rest of it then I dont see why any one could possibly like them. (I am of jewish background).
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 Its the opinion of most people. But what are your intentions when joining the debate on the BNP? I strongly think we to behave more like Diplomats rather than Politicans, if were in the deabte to make a difference. For the life of me I'll never understand the filth that is Tory-dom, but they are right sometimes! And so are the BNP. No one is ever wholly incorrect and theres always something to learn, I learned they hold too much capital on too many issues Lab con & Dem avoid.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI When you say "we" do you mean, BNP, BNP supporters, you me and the commenters? What do you mean we?
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 Me and you as commontators. But I guess everyone on any subject.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI Ah right. What do you mean by capital on issues btw?
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 Capital as in monopoly. For someone whom PC, immigration, islamification and British identity are hot button issues and they look to political parties for who best represents their views, they only have the BNP - perhaps UKIP too. It isnt always that the views match up, but that it looks as if it is only the BNP who dare go into depth. This was admitted to by all the major parties when Griffin was on Question Time, but any attempt to deal with it fizzeled out.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI I see what you mean.
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 WIth all this in mind if you rewatch the video it will make more sense - of course ignoring my typing cock-ups!
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI Ive watched the video again, its made more sense..
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI Either way I still think you should check the videos out..
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 I have many times before the BNP were the main topic in my politcal psychology module.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@JustB3NJI And what do you think of them?
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 Well the BNP have certainly evolved and continue to change. Is it a clever game or genuine reform? I think it's a mix. No doubt there are some truly vile people who support them and feel Griffin has gone too soft, but a recent and vey in depth study shown that the BNPs biggest growing demographic is university students. It isn't exactly discontent working class labour voters as once thought. I think the picture remains unclear, but of course it leans to the negative side of things.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
@TheSchemer1 The video evidence that damns the BNP is something when I fully play devil advocate is something I find near impossible to justify. One objective viewpoint is that the videos are far an few in between and is confined to a few people that dont nessacrly reflect everyone else, but that isn't something that flies too well in relation tot he rest of their history. But I do think a LOT more decent and fair minded people support them these days.
JustB3NJI 5 months ago
To back up that point please type in the following:
"BNP Nazi jokes at BNP RWB rally" (jokes against jews and black people)
"BNP leader on Obama" (stirring up anti-black fears)
"BNP NIck Griffin Holocaust Denier" (anti-semetism, despite the overwhelming evidence that the Holocaust DID happen)
"BNP Nick Griffin Humiliated on Question Time, 3" (says about the BNP claiming theyre not racist even though no other party HAS TO SAY THAT)
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
Im not convinced by your arguments, but thank you anyway. I believe the BNP are racist because they make jokes DIRECTLY TARGETING blacks, jews etc. There is a shocking (the content is shocking) video of Nick Griffen saying how "Black people arent very clever" and all that, this is not me being an "overly left wing mug" here or a leftie extremist (I AM Centre-left but not stupidly left), this is facts.
TheSchemer1 5 months ago
The jew definition of "extreme right" is "white people who want to survive".
KumarZimmerman08 8 months ago
This is the first video ive heard from a non BNP supporter saying it how it is with an impartial view Its a shame that predudice is fine as long as its against the BNP and some people actively point score as to how much they can harass its supporters.
2 thumbs up.
hablerz 1 year ago
@ninjascroll6789 - The opening tune is called "Breaking the Ice" it's a remix of song for the "Ice Cap" level on Sonic 3. The second is a Mega Man remix called "Passing the Blue crown" - You can download both legally and for free at ocremixdotorg - Which is a videogame music remix community website of souly unknown talents who I reckon do some flippin great work. The music there is also totally free for any use so long as your not profiting.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
@JustB3NJI thanks mate
ninjascroll6789 1 year ago
This is nothing more than a plea to apathy! As an argument, it carries no weight. It is unethical to suggest that people should stop opposing bigotry, regardless of how much that bigotry is 'diluted'.
stamboni316 1 year ago
@stamboni316 - Apathy last I checked was having little interest in politcs and voting. At what point or in what way did I encourage that?
To you this carries no weight because you viewing through your own cemented views on the BNP and your personal ideology.
I wont try to fight that because I know it's pointless, if you can't call a spade a spade you will end up making accusation of bigatory.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
Well, if you can't keep track of what you said in your own vid, I can't be bothered to list all the points for you but you start @0:09 and don't stop.
I am calling a spade a spade, it's you who's trying to make apologies for the politics of bigots. And the leaders of the BNP are bigots; demonstrably so. If you don't know that, you have no place making vids about them.
stamboni316 1 year ago
@stamboni316 My last message equally applies to this comment.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
@JustB3NJI Fine. Keep your eyes shut then.
stamboni316 1 year ago
@stamboni316 - Pot calling the Kettle black there methinks. You talk as if this video is giving the BNP the big thumbs up, when realy it's overall message is chillax. Just re-read those first few points again up to about 2:50. Your seriously getting on your high horse for reasons that don;t really match the points im making.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
@JustB3NJI I didn't say that you supported the BNP, I said that your vid promoted apathy. I don't claim to know your politics but a message of chillax is inappropriate IMO considering the seriousness of the subject. As for 'pot calling the kettle black', I believe the adage 'the price of freedom is eternal vigilance'. I have an open mind to feed and closed eyes serve no purpose.
stamboni316 1 year ago
Thanks for the other vids though. I'll watch.
stamboni316 1 year ago
I rate the guy that made this vid, altho my opinions of BNP are much stronger, send them all back to where they are from, once they are there you never know they might prefer it.
JW17SON 1 year ago
@ikkoikki Bta gt down2 da polin station den init
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
great video, so true. what are the songs?
richardblabla 1 year ago
@richardblabla both can be found at ocremixdotorg - Both are remixes of computer game songs. The first is sonic 3 ice-cap, Breaking the ice. The other is mega man, the passing of the blue crown.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
I dislike your policies, your animated-truth and your spelling of 'you're' in the title. I have great comfort knowing the BNP will never run this country. :)
WaldoGrapelliOHare 1 year ago
I dont think they will ever get in power either, and thats probably a good thing because they can be too judgemental using petty things as a basis of attack. I see you know the merits of doing so!
God if YOURE going t be cunty over a spelling error it's a good job you didn't read the video you've have turned into a giant minge.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
Settle down, Martha.
WaldoGrapelliOHare 1 year ago
rite-o hun.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
I don't see the point multicultural in britain.
I mean if you want to be in another type of culture go and live in that country
BooMers232 2 years ago 5
@Benji
Remember that 2DRonaldo arguing about the Quran. His comments appear to have dissapeared after I explained the Quran to him?
But his video his comments were based on
'Questioning Islamaphobes' is still up!
Either I have missed something here or that guy cannot deal with reality.
DontBendOverForAllah 2 years ago
I got rid of them because it was endless blathering on his behalf he left about 120 comments. I left up a few but i didn't think it was fair to anyone who was looking through the comment to endure that crap. He's welcome summarise that in a few messages and ill leave it up, but 2 hours read was too much clutter - he take satsfaction in knowing I do the same with all conversation, including the ones Im mostly responsible for.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
at the end of the day if Griffin was a nazi - why aint he in a Nazi Party? The British First Party 4 instance?
Labour are the fascist - its so obvious.
SGTGerman 2 years ago 2
SO I'm being honest - before some tries to say I'm against free speech or something retarded like that....I recently removed 137 comments as they were mostly all from the same person and then the surrounding replies as they made little sense stood alone. It bame a circular argument that I should have niped in the bud time ago and because it was mostly irrelevant to the points raised in the video. Plus the guy in question censors many comments on his channel, so why sud I not do it to him!
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
The BNP only hinders our fight against Eurabia. It will not help us. Stick with the EDL. The BNP's talk of browns and whites distracts us from the main problem; Islamisation. As Pat Condell says, the BNP and Anjem Choudary are two sides of the same coin.
The BNP cannot erase it's racist past. For the EDL to ally with the BNP is effective to surrender to Islamisation. This is about religion, not race.
HDuyNguyen 2 years ago
Just look at Nick Griffin's stupid fucking half melted face in the opening 8 seconds.
Priority76 2 years ago
Hi just had a really good hour or two on your site. i am aged 51 and been a nationalist since i was 19. You claim to be one thing but in some respects you are more right wing than i am. Any way it takes all sorts and your political videos where totaly fair and unbiased which is very rare these days. Thanks i really enjoyed watching.Also the where all set to really good music tracks.
ps "forgot how to spell accupanied"
derek6678421 2 years ago
Good impartial and mostly SENSIBLE vid about the BNP.
To me they combine old labour working class ethics with old tory patriotism and they get my support.
stgeorgereborn 2 years ago
Superb Video, You taken the words from my mouth but put them into a real descriptive context. one of the best ever made, no hate no racism not to liberal just right.
Anglosurman 2 years ago 2
There is no myths about the bnp, only cold hard facts!
Fact is there ultimately racist! no better than the Zionists.
Parcel it up how you want, put pretty pink ribbons on, it make no difference...
We all know what there truly about...
Remember the national front, still there, nothings changed, except maybe nick griffin has trouble fitting into his Gestapo uniform these days, i mean he has put on some poundage lately
ChampHeartache 2 years ago
@ChampHeartache
Fact is there ultimately racist! - Opinion+gross generalisation - All of them? Every voter?
YOur talking about 30 years ago - Are the tories still thatcherites? is Labour still a true socialist party?
You exposeyour attitude perfectly...Sat there talking about the right and wrong about things only to resort to crude insults yourself with a fat joke.
If there was any clout to your point of view that killed it.
With that said, its clear you paidd little attention anyway.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Couldn't have put it better myself...no, seriously
ElFuegocabeza 2 years ago
fuk the bnp they the one causing riot
nas20mk 2 years ago
You had five stars when I recognised the first couple of bars from Ice Cap Zone, but the rest of the video was great.
It's nice to see people who don't necessarily agree with the BNP taking a logical rational stance on them.
bombkangaroo 2 years ago 4
the bnp are timewasters and weak
MrBuzzaboy 2 years ago
@MrBuzzaboy - people have already underestimated them - if you against them it wld be foolhardy to dismiss them so easily.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
An excellent video JustB3NJI.
More people should actually read the BNPs policies so they can know the truth of what the BNP stands for, rather than listening to the fascist ranting of the Liblabcons, the media and the brain dead thugs of the UAF. INTELLIGENT PEOPLE will always do their own research (as you obviously have done) rather than taking as GOSPEL truth what others, particularly lying MPs and journalists say.
Kali1050 2 years ago 3
B3NJI that is one hell of a video you made there!
I have been voting BNP for a few years now, as the rest of them have lost touch with reality they don't know what the people of Britain want anymore. Yes we have militant Muslims in the world but we have invaded their countries illegally standing Tony Blair and Bush in the shadow of Adolf Hitler. We have invaded for oil and we call the Muslims fighting for their lands rebels and even terrorists in their own countries this is upside down logic!
0ddba11s 2 years ago
If we were not killing Muslims in their own countries we would not have Muslims demonstrating in our streets or plotting to attack us. Britain and the US have used these fake or manipulated attacks on our lands to create laws to deprive us of our rights as long-term citizens of these countries. Check out oil politics of the Caspian Sea and you will slowly realise I know what I am talking about. Adolf invaded Russia because he needed oil, things havent changed much in 60 years!
0ddba11s 2 years ago
@0ddba11s - I agree. But I think it is problematic that British muslims feel more of an affiliation to foriegn lands than the country they live in - I think anyone in any situation (eg if I moved to China and moaned about china) is living in the wrong country.
Of course anyone who wants to protest the war has a right and a very good reason to. But I think theres a fine line between reasoned dissent & hate. Teaming up with radicals and fundementalists is that step too far, to which I say get out.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
save britain vote bnp
djvision20022000 2 years ago
a very thought out and intelligent video.
i agree with about 90% of BNP policy, benefits for instance! only about 9% is race related and most of it is about facing up to the real problems that people legally living here have to face... problems that the major parties totally ignore.
they won't get into power, but maybe we can send a message to the liblabcon that something needs to change!
thats why the bnp will get my vote!
abraxxus27315 2 years ago 5
Fuck off and die, you moronic Nazi CUNT. Britain doesn't need SCUM like you or your party of racist arseholes.
MoscowMaestro 2 years ago
This country needs unintelligent, anti-democratic, fascist scum like you even less than it needs intelligent, democratic people such as those in the BNP.
Kali1050 2 years ago
I'd vote for Griffin, but not the BNP.
The BNP shouldn't have power, but parliament shouldn't be without a pain in the ass MP like Griffin calling them up for every fuck up they make.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago 3
Pretty much my point exactly. Griffin can only be a pain in the ass however of more make a protest vote.
Like I say the chances of the BNP ever winning or becoming so powerful they can do as they please I believe is impossible. I think those in the HoC know this, but continue to fight them to avoid dealing with the concerns of most British people, concerns which are obviously too muh hard work for these overpaid people. (Immigration, PC, radical Islam, unjust prison sentances etc)
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Exactly. Even IF they had a majority the people of the UK would not allow forced deportation of non-whites anyway, even though that isn't even one of their policies.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
JustB3NJl;
Your taliking out of your Nazi arse.
F
holycoke5000 2 years ago
Holycoke5000;
and you throw the word nazi around so brazenly you denegrate the memory of everyone who died in WW2.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
You should start listening and stop believing.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
A great video and well put. If it weren't for the racist past of their members (and current racism of some too) and their determination to bring in the death penalty I'd vote for them.
I'd rather vote for a "referendum party" which would hold an EU referendum and then dismiss parliament though :-)
As for no longer being racist. When Griffin stands in front of a KKK meeting and says "our ideas are the same as your ideas" I think the claim they are not racists is somewhat flawed.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
Yes, you do have a point. At the time I made this I hadn't seen that footage, and even so it is an old video. However when I saw it and I did think to myself "and thats why I definatly wont be voting for them!" I cant ignore it and the possibility of subterfuge.
Like I say though, it doesn't worry me because of how hard it would for them to get into power, how they'd have to change on that journey to power, and the opposition they'd face if they were in power.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
They won't get into power because they would not do as their masters told them to, like the Cons and Labour do; so they have no chance.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
It is quite easy to fall into the trap of believing he has spoken to the KKK saying that, however it was actually a group called "American Friends of the BNP" (no, really) it just so happened that David Duke, a former member of the KKK, was there.
ElFuegocabeza 2 years ago 3
Sorry, but you are wrong. It is clear what he was saying. He said things such as (paraphrased)
"We haven't sold out on our ideas, we have just made them easier to sell"
"If when we get in the people say 'get rid of the lot of them' then great"
"Instead of being against non-white people we say we are against Islam, because that is not racist"
There were MANY things he said in that video, he didn't even need the KKK there, he incriminated himself with his own words.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago
jock eyed evil bastard
hotrodd101 2 years ago
@ hotrodd101
What a pathetic comment, those sort of statements simply reveal that you have no argument - you are the idiot.
BNPCrusade 2 years ago 2
Credit where credit is due, I know he said that and it is the biggest reason, why I still cant give my actual support to the BNP via my vote.
It was back in 2000 (or was 2002) youve got to give everyone a chance at redeption.
The point remains however as Griffin went on to say, they are valid points, they are good points, we should have a dialogue we should address the issues: take the wind out of thier sails not thier stomachs. even so as I say, we dont have to worry.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
And on topic: It's not a fear of the BNP getting power that worries their opponents, it's the fact that people exist which have their opinions at all. That is worrying enough, regardless of politics. Many of their policies are based on misunderstandings and ignorance, not facts.
Also, Obama was talking about how he saw nationalised healthcare as a solution back in 2007 on the campaign trail. He didn't 'soften his policies' in that regard once in power.
alexvegas 2 years ago
Obama kinda let hillary steal the thunder on healthcare however, and analysists did put her downfall down to healthcare (well those who didn't say it was because she was a women, white, or got a hammering in the media)
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
oh..or when she lost that first state she won cos they took the vote too early, if it counted she also would have won, but she had time to fight on and win regardless.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Okay English Man it's time to wipe off your shit-eating grins and fight for your country or you just might as well let the Muslims take your women and indoctrinate your kids about how evil you are...put down your beer for a moment and get angry...get really angry....now vote BNP...and wipe those stupid cheeky grins off your faces!
bellringer64 2 years ago
This treachourous Government comes out with more shit than a horses arse - the only thing they never mention is the problem of immigration & Islamification. Vote for BNP for Christ's Sake.
princecharlesansooty 2 years ago 3
9. if Britain is coloured as a fascist nation then it will lose its resepect in the world and the emerging non-white nations would boycot UK - yes they will afford it and for example, India will definitely rethink abt their ultimate relationship with UK as there are almost 150 million Muslims there. This is primitive thinking, They want to use ppl's emotions to blackmail their way to power.
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
7. ppl lilke me have been caling BNP to open publid debates - why will they simply not take it up and let the public decide? Why do they have to have rendezvous to spread malicious lies abt Islam and brand Islam as a disgusting faith depending on what the fanatics do?
8. their agenda has been creating trouble around the globe already as facsist views are flourishing in Europe and even in Australia where somne Indian studensts have been beaten up today;
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
Point seven is crazy jaja, despite their bitter protests the BNP have been shunned by the media in this country for far too long, but the outcome of the euro elections has changed that. The media are now prepared to give them a platform, although no doubt the panels, audiences and questions will all be those of the leftist persuasion! Should be interesting though! :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
The BNP have been craving for public discussions jaja. they rejoiced at being invited onto Question Time.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Well that is an open forum ...I want a dialogue between BNP and Muslims to have a dialogue in all spheres comprehensively.
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
Open discussions are what we need, which is why the BNP deserve a fairer hearing. The mentality of those fighting the BNP only makes the BNP stronger. So if the BNP are bad guys they make it a lot harder for people to see thier true colours.
People like the UAF must know this: I believe they continue because the UAF couldn't have a dialogue with them; The UAF dont just stand against fascism, they stand against anyone who questions Islam and immigration. They dont want a debate.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
4. are the fascist Muslims? ofcourse there are and I made videos abt that being a devoted Muslim. Can anyone show me one video made by a devoted Christian or Jew or Hindu who said that there are fascists amongst their own faiths? No - Zero!
5. Voluntary repaitriation - nonsense - u don't create that slogan and not expect ppl to start chanting at u - 'go home' when u have lived here for decades;
6. if they go to power - they will change law to their liking if the opposition is too small.
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
Your points are things I rejected before even making this video, it's outright paranoya which can be applied to a lot of people and parties. Being a fan of Yes minister they totally sold me the message that you can't do fuck all big in government.
YOu also miss the point it's about acknoleging the BNPs points. It's not fascist to be at odd with immigration.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
1. u do not put urslf in fire in the streets to be noticed by all else abt ur agenda;
2. a fascist group is a fascist group no mantter how much they change their cover like Putin is the breed of the KGB in a so called democratic ocuntry of Russia;
3. if u ignore abt the crouching evil agendas of BNP, they will do the same thing as BJP in India did and took the power from voters who voted them to power being manipulated by frenzy and volatile issue;
jajaborduniyay 2 years ago
I would also like to point out that in the "Audacity of hope" by Obama, even he who is redily accused of being an open borders promoter nots that the fears about immigration are without foundation and it isn;t enough to brush these complaints aside by branding them as intolerant and protectionist.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
benji,
I have NEVER met a BNP supporter I actually liked or would like living next door to. Most were thugs, ex-criminals, or people of very low intelligence. Forget about the policies for a minute, and think what would happen if the party ever got into power. These people would become emboldened and you'd see harassment and attacks on minorities, homosexuals, etc. You would soon find yourself living in a VERY unpleasant society. Be careful what you wish for.
NatSci 2 years ago
try and save england from islamification - its going to come - not all BNP supoters are thugs - all parties have the wrong sort of people in them - but some are more stelthy - regards.
malcjow 2 years ago
The thing is I dont believe that would be the case....'ve been given that impression all my life and I have rejected it. Like I say in my video, the more power and suppoert they get the softer they have become.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Someone probably said the same about the nazis 70 years ago. Afterall, totalitarian warlords or not, they did salvage the german economy, invest a great deal into the public domain and all the while hid behind a propaganda campaign laced with patriotic rhetoric and German supremacy. IS that an argument for nazi rule?
Sounds awfully familiar doesn't it
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
"Someone 'probably' said it about the Nazis"? That's the worst attempt to link the BNP to Nazis I have ever heard - even the other examples hold more weight than that.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 7
I was illustrating how history repeats itself.The BNP and the nazis use patriotic nonsense as their excuse for extremism, they use propaganda to create divisions between cultures.
History repeats. Gulags never went away now it's called imprisonment without trial, propaganda never went away now it's called PR, the scapegoat never went away now it's the muslims. it's relied upon that we hate eachother, while we do we don't look at real issues like media manipulation, inequality,corruption
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
"media manipulation, inequality,corruption" -- I am well aware that those are social issues that need to be examined too, I am not an idiot. However, immigration (and, indeed, population on the whole) needs to be kept in check: a country cannot run efficiently if the demand for resources exceeds the actual supply a country has. These are issues the BNP are tapping in to more than the other parties (with the exception of UKIP).
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 7
In an age where public money is being used to fight illegal wars, pay off big business for their own stupidity and privatise our services then are plenty of resources and funds in the pot for far more people to live in this country provided we are willing to give up some of the listed activities. Immigration brings a workforce that are willing to do the menial jobs we won't, it helps out big business, it pays taxes and thus it provides the resources we need for such a population increase
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Immigration (in moderation) is fine - relatively lax immigration is not. There needs to be better screening of immigrants, and there needs to be more stringent guidelines i.e. being able to support oneself. Also, certain councils (such as Leicester) have council tax cuts under certain circumstances: they should contribute the same . I support the "Australian approach" to immigration. There's enough money? NHS is in a shambles, and pensioners get paid peanuts - hardly enough.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
If we stop creating a series of push factors in the middle-east namely the war in iraq that drive wave upon wave of immigrants into the west, then we'd have no need for strigent border control as they would have no reason to leave their own countries. Councils having tax cuts for immigrants (i presume?) well they've clearly identified a group of people in need of state support, just like th emillions of indigenous whites that have been living off the tax man for years
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Yet the BNP propose (as has been mentioned earlier) that we withdraw from the "illegal war" on the "Muslim world". Also, I can identify that some people are in need of financial support. However... You should first put in to the system. If an immigrant works for a year or so and unfortunately find themselves in financial need, then support them. Coming here in need of support from the offset is a burden on the system. Workfare, not welfare - this is applicable to both immigrants and natives.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
to continue, yes there is enough money in the pot. As identified with my examples, if we stop investing in immoral activitities like the war and saving business there is. In fact they could do it anyway, the government have kept our services on a shoe string budget for years while the real investment has gone to greater arms/defence and disappeared in whitehall. These are issues we the oppressed british and the marginalised ethnic community should be uniting upon, not fighting over
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
see above answer on war -- regarding the corporate ideology behind the mask of the "working man's party", you have highlighted another reason why people vote for the BNP -- what other working class party is there (that realistically is actually going to have at least a grain of power)?
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
any party can have those qualities provided the population force those debates onto the national agenda, the human condition has been diluted so all we can think about is how someone else is to blame, the muslims, the right, the left, etc. These conflicts are what give parties like the BNP ground, they exploit the tensions. If we as a population addressed real issues instead of nonsense then every party would fall into line and truly serve the people. not just those that pretend to like the bnp
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
and by the way if you think the NHS is in a mess now, you wait until the PFI start to gain ground. Shit wages, staff cuts and loss of services, it will get worse
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
and again, another point which makes the BNP favourable to some (particularly working class)... They deplore privatisation - they are a statist party, with left of centre economic policies.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
well if they are againt privatisation then good, that's evidence of a party listening to concerns of the public and reacting accordingly. all they need to do now is stop reacting to tabloid spin (the media being far worse a culprit for causing racial tension than the bnp ever could) and start providing solutions to our problems, not scapegoats and not causing tensions between the mélange of cultures that could happily coexist here if it wern't in part for their input
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
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xxproftrxx 2 years ago
Indeed branching out to other topics than race is essential. It's done UKIP the world of good.
but i don't think it matters who is leader, whilst the party is still populated by misguided people who have a narrow view of culture and the dynamics of the world then they will never change. It's not there fault, it's comes from being brought up with fear and ignorance i could no more condemn them for hate than i could a begger for having bad teeth.
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
in fact look at the tories with cameron in charge. They have a new wrapper but we all know it's the same old tory ideology under the surface.
anyone with a hint of hope or ambition for genuine reform will be hounded out by the murdoch media before they get to high up they did it to michael foot, the best prime minister we never had.
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
That's totally incorrect - out of Labour and Tories, the Tories probably have the greater split in the "political wings" of the party. Cameron's ideology is completely different to Thatcherism (another wing in the party born of Thatcher's politics). Any hardcore Thatcherite dissenters risk facing the perils should they fail to follow party voting guidelines. Adding to your previous comment regarding Darby, under his leadership he could expel the nutters from the BNP.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 7
the tories are still for privatisation, they support tuition fees, they support the war ( with a few minor reservations ot make themselves look good) and they still preach the same old "back to british values" stone age nonsense. Everything thatcher stood for
As for Darby, well he's not in charge yet, we'll have to wait and see if he does expel the "nutters"
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Both Labour and Conservative are pledging to make cuts - just WHEN is the dividing issue. However, prior to the credit crisis and debt, Cameron probably wouldn't have removed welfare anyway, or privatise the NHS. Why? It'd be political suicide. Most Brits are in favour of the NHS - even if it is of bad quality - as it's there for those that need it.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
So have you met alot of BNP supporters then? I'd hazard a guess that you infact haven't met a single one. There are hundreds of very intelligent BNP supportes on youtube alone. If you take the time to speak to them instead of jumping to conclusions i'm sure that like myself you'd find them very respectful, helpful, although perhaps a tad paranoid, but who can blame them? The BNP of old is very different to the modern BNP. Watch these vids-
/watch?v=g6jj3CRi8AA
/watch?v=7F-YHRKrcho
Cunicular 2 years ago
Yes, I have met several. They were all highly unpleasant people, mostly of very low intelligence and literacy, some with a criminal background. I'm sure not all BNP supporters are like that. But it only takes a few to cause trouble. To imagine large numbers of morons and thugs pouring out into the streets celebrating after a BNP victory doesn't bear thinking about. Whatever your beliefs, you'd soon find yourself living in a VERY unpleasant society.
NatSci 2 years ago
I in no way wish to question your integrity NatSci, but i get the feeling you are telling porky pies. Stereotyping is something which i really don't approve of. There are bad seeds in every political party, google 'liars buggers and thieves' as an example. The BNP has come a long way since the nineties and has done a very good job of cleaning up its image, to the point that alot of their more troublesome supporters are leaving because they believe the BNP are now not hardline enough. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
It's a question of NUMBERS. There are thugs and morons in every party, but the BNP attracts them in large numbers. A BNP victory will embolden these characters. Forget about the BNP. It will never get into office anyway. Work to change the mainstream parties. It will take a long time but it can be done. Even basket cases like France and Holland are slowly becoming less pc. Do not waste your time with pondlife.
NatSci 2 years ago
I have never voted, and probably never will, i don't like politicians in general, however i do take an interest in politics and i see more sincerity in the BNP and its leaders than in any other party. It's just my gut instinct and i like to think i'm a good judge of character. The lib/lab/con have had their shot, it's time to move aside, even UKIP would be more acceptable in my opinion, atleast they realise the danger posed by the EU and Brussels. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
The problem with UKIP, though, is they are more economically libertarian (free market) than the BNP, and therefore not as appealing to the lower classes.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 8
I agree, the whole party from the top down just seems to be lacking in character or originality, not to mention the whispers that they were set up and funded purely to offer an alternative to voting for the "fascists". Whether that's true or not it certainly worked. They drew away alot of the BNPs vote.
Cunicular 2 years ago
I wouldn't go that far... And what about the GLA? Didn't the BNP win a seat (Barnbrook) when UKIP returned none?
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 7
Nor would i, i'm just speculating on the grapevine. Politics is a dangerous game played by corrupt, insidious individuals who have the mentality of a leopard, i.e. a lone hunter out to look after ones self. I trust no-one really, but i'm a strong believer in change and think everyone should be given a fair crack of the whip. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
@xxproftrxx UKIP would be great but they are an elitist party, i personally dont give a monkeys about fox hunting or the building of wind farms on my 100 acres etc.
They have a flat rate of tax for everyone as well , i mean thats just laughable.
hablerz 1 year ago
Well done video.I have been called a BNP
supporter and a zionist............dont even live
in the UK, I live in Spain, but you made some
very good points for an ex pat like me
We get wooed only by the conservatives
abroad for our vote...........no chance
The radical muslems seem to be the problem
The point about OZZ was direct
cheers
swinewarrior 2 years ago
Look at this video, a prime example of the lies and propaganda created by groups such as the UAF.
/watch?v=1LVI-dQzKYg
I left a comment on it asking the poster what exactly this had to do with the BNP. I made it quite clear i am not a BNP member and was only pointing out that the video and description were lies, purely to paint the BNP in a bad light. What did he do? He blocked me and deleted my comments. Try it for yourself, go ask him and watch your comment disappear. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
Well theres no excusing or defending what those two people say, frankly it's obvious they need psychiatric help.
It can hardly been seen as a reflection of the BNP from an objective manner however. It's only two people. As with muslims I do not judged a whole group of people based on a few nutters. The BNP because of thier policies are bound to attract these people. Members aren't screened. Show me the BNP defending these two people and then you will have got my attention.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
to be honest I did not even watch that video. As I had opened the link in the past. The fact that somone puts a graphic of a gun on their channel with the quote "to kill the BNP" was enough for me to ignore it. on both side of the argument there are extremists. And I belive that they should be stopped as violence is the argument of the ignorant
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
for a video that is not biased towards the BNP it sure does seem to be getting a lot of BNP support. I wonder why?
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
I am not a BNP member (nor did I vote BNP). but I abhor the victimisation and demonisation they suffer. Furthermore, I abhor the fact that the establishment was telling the electorate NOT to vote BNP, rather than offering solutions themselves - it's bad practice. The BNP have a couple of good ideas which should be looked at more by the mainstream parties, and yet, they (the mainstream) seem to think that BNP = automatically bad. Non-interventionism (military), for example... Is that a bad thing?
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 9
To add, how can you be sure that the others don't share this sentiment?
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 9
Top comment xxproftrxx
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
GOOD COMMENT SIR/MADAM
malcjow 2 years ago
It would be no surprise to me or anyone if the BNP did give this video support. It gives them more respect than thier used to.
And add to this this video is far more about defending the reputation of BNP supporters than it is supporting the actual party.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Justavaragejoe is your typical anti-BNPer. Unwilling to reason, unwilling to look at the bigger picture and prepared to lie to get a point across. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
lie pmsl. because of the things I state are not admitted by the BNP then they must be a lie, the BNP never lie do they. Anyway how is Barnbrooks tribunal about the murder lies he told going?
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
Liars, buggers and thieves, it's typical of an anti-BNP campaigner to attemp to turn this into a gay issue. Anyone with half a brain cell knows this is not the case. You are just highly vexed because in your eyes a gay liberal man should hate the BNP with the same amount of passion as yourself. The fact that he agrees with some of the BNP's policies and believes they should be given a platform must really get to you! Regards Barnbrook, i've no idea and to be honest i don't really care. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago 2
Could i just point out to u2atomicbomb that the BNP vehemently opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars. If the muslims who live in Britain actually care about their 'brothers', who are being 'murdered' by British soldiers then they should vote BNP. :-)
Cunicular 2 years ago
Indeed. In Nick's own words addressing the European Parl. --- "Do not add the voice of this place to the war-mongers chorus for a third illegal and counter-productive attack by the West on the Muslim world." --- Labour is far more illiberal in that sense: they are way too interventionist.
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 9
It's very easy to oppose the war when you're in oppostion. Labour have handed the BNP the greatest gift they could. The wars have meant greater tension between cultures that the BNP can now motivate for their own ends.
It doesn't matter about individual parties anymore anyway, this country is ruled by America and multinational conglomerates.
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Your definatly not wrong about opposing the war, almost every party in opposition in every democracy has played that card.
And certainly big buisness has every democracy by the scruff of the neck.
Controlled by America though? I don't buy that, I never have. Yes were allies, and yes we stand by them, but we do more than enough to show were independant of them. Even as a pro european I have to concede Brussels has more control over us than America.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Following them into their genocide in the middle-east is evidence enough of our subordination to them. And fair enough the EU are yet another super power in the making that we are falling into line with too
The BNP are just another blot on our collective unconscious tainting the world with an agenda of hate. They claim it's to protect national interests when really they are taking advantage of a series of inter-racial tensions to fuel their campaign.
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
If we stop bombing their countries into the stone age and our population didn't think it was above menial lwork then we'd have no need for immigration
As a trek fan i'd have thought you'd welcome the decline in border control. Roddenberry believed a way to overcome cultural barriers was by a greater mélange, thus you have the Picards an english family living in france in perfect harmony. Of course they're white and western. IT's the foreign johnnys further a field that it's ok to hate isn't it
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Well Being a Trek fan is why I think what I think. The federation will not trade with or allow planets to join which have value system or are socially behind the trend which is opposed to thier own. This is Picard rejected giving support to the Kes, for example, why Bajors application is still going through and why they have only ever proposed treaties to other certain species.
The federation never got so tolerant it accepted intolerance
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
there have been a number of examples in later trek of the federation tolerating other governments unjust actions. But you missed my point altogether. The federation are of course not so naive that they would allow terrorist fundamentalists to enter and attack them. But then again they don't launch unprovoked attacks on other worlds, unlike us who freely think we have a right to do so, and then moan when SHOCK HORROR some of them hate us and our entire beliefs system and take extreme actions
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Well besides section 31 attempting genocide on the founders, but granted that doesn't technically count. I dont disagree with anything in that message. This is however the point I try to make with my 'women-beater' metaphor. But bear in mind thier anger is directed at us as much as the goernment and didnt we overwhelmingly oppose the war? Conversly you do not tolerate the BNP yet if you use the same logic you could understand why they act so angry and thus defend it.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
The federation in later trek, never tolerated unjust actions when it was a federation memeber. When the klingon attempted to invade Cardassia they ended thier treaty, and they weren't even in the federation. The only time you find them breaking thier own rules is in wartime, such as killing a romulan in a set up to make Romulus break its non agression pact with the dominion and join the fight on the federations side, and of course secretly condoning Section 32
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
people are not asking the right questions the human condition has been corrupted by nonsense. Budding minds are watching x factor as 4 millionaires laugh at deluded fools when they should be striving for more from themselves and humanity.They should enquire why it's ok for Israel to be armed to the teeth yet we threaten war on Iran for their understandable desire to arm.They should be calling for the invasion of the US for its war on nicaragua if we hold ourselves to the same standard as Iraq
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Insurrection - the federation breaking their own priciples. Janeway's constant misreading of the Prime directive, but besides trek. Quite rightly you identify the "extremists" target the population aswell as the UK government, despite public opposition to war, and I say to you again, you try and act in a logical manner with the destruction of your home and family all the while the docile British sit by their TV screens being fed another dose of anti-muslim lies by murdoch and bill o'reilly etc
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
Soz I will reply proply to you message in a mo, but I just wanted to be a bit naughty and joke...Well there hasnt been any muslim charecters or actors in Star Trek...Subliminal point? Remember Im joking lol!
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
well you're right there has been no muslim actors which is a real shame, but they can't have muslim characters as humanity has seen past the need for religion in the 24th century remember.
Ethnic characters in trek have been well-received i feel, i mean i love Sisko, tuvok was a good character too. Bashir hmm a little wooden and kim...Garret Wang was in fact a tree in real life his performances were so bad
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
The passing religion thing should tell something about to how we whould respond to fundementalist intentions, be it in the terorist manner of random people who have issues or the totalitarion manner as is the case for Islamic Theocracies. your right about the non white charecters being well recieved DS9 isn't just my favorite Trek but its my favorite show. It's clear why it wasn;t well recieved in general thou...Forget black and white, humans were a minority in that show!
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
Britain has a stong media in oppositions to Murdochs unlike America. The problem is we should all be angry at the destution of lives in these wars, and if the muslims here in the UK are British, they should be on the same level as us. Immigration should mean patriotism. Those people dont belong here if they see themselves more alligned to a different country. Thats universal. And again, Understanding people is important and should be factored in, but it doesn't justify wrong doing.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
well i don't see much media opposition to murdoch either here or the US.
the point is we cannot go about destroying other nations, allow them asylum here and expect them to peacefully coexist with the very people that caused their hell.
u2atomicbomb 2 years ago
As for the EU2009 manifesto, just going on the keywords they chose in thier title graphic. Here what i think you'll not like but what I also dont like "No to Asylum Seekers" "British jobs for British workers" "British weights & measures" and possibly "Wales" (Im joking!)
Can you really say though that any of them are unacceptable polices?
I read the rest and I can't fairly condem the BNP through it. Its a good manifesto, shame a pro-European isn't singing modified version.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
if you seen a news report that gave a quarter of the story would you then claim that you know everything about the story. As thats all that document is. Is the headlines and no content.
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
ah yeah the 14 page document with very large text and photos. I have that as well an there is nothing in it about anything of interest. The 2005 manifesto is 54 pages and normal size text. Page 23 paragraph 3 is the section about faith and folk schools.
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
I'm not trying to attack you over this, but you are defending the BNP without any evidence that this 2005 manifesto is not their current policies. As what is on their web site is still current with what is in that document. The BNP policies do change with the seasons. Yet this immigration policy remains. yet as stated the BNP had a person with terrorist links and promotes immigration into the UK speak at their summer jamboree.
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago
Ive just read ther 2009 county council elecions (Ill be honest with my assement)
There wasn't a shread of racism or facism in it. The closest thing to that was "This country was built on the sacrifices of the British people and all elected politcan therefore have a duty to give the British peopl the country they diserve" & "Natural heritage"
All in all it was very good 'speech'. But it did lack any acutal policies, it was somewhat vague, but It could be written for lib/lab or con & pass.
JustB3NJI 2 years ago
The BNP have racist policies (the 2005 Manifesto stands until their next one. As it is what they propose on if they gain power). Yet now you have decided to attack me from not agreeing with your prejudices that support the BNP's policies. I have already had three messages today from people, about our discourse. With one common trait. You seem to be doing the "I'm not racist but" stance. That But is a very huge word in this context.
Justavaragejoe 2 years ago 2
[continued from previous message] ----- Normally it has very little significance in conversation, but it's time to bring it in here - not only is "buggers" NOT used for gay politicians (but rather ANY politician in general who does not act professionally), it is also something that I am not offended by... and yes, I am gay. Have you actually read "Liars, Buggers, and Thieves"? Just wondering...
xxproftrxx 2 years ago 7