@mRwhite298 messages me: "world is full of SPIRITUAL DEAD AND BLIND who are decived by lucifer-devil-satan and amazingly to remove this blindness people should read ONLY GOD HOLY WORD/HOLY BIBLE with humble heart and all what is false will be ILLUMINATED WITH GOD HOLY TRUTH exosing satan corruption!!!"
Really? Have you a credible source?
The Bible is full of man-made myth, fairytales, superstitions.
It is just as ridiculous as the Qur'an and Book of MORmON.
See! Even @mRwhite298 has his man-made myth which he spouts as trvth.
He also has no proof whatsoever. Hint: No one does.
You can do all your wothless rituals that you wish. You accomplish nothing but wasting valuable time, fuel, resources which could otherwise be so helpful.
MORmONS like to think that their rituals are important "work". They enjoy being considered "worthy", to be allowed to enter exclusive places to star in absurd acts with memorized lines and costumes.
@MrAlanarns I don't believe they were. When Moses was in the wilderness and they had the portable temples they were treated just as sacredly as they are now. They are holy places, and you have to be worthy to enter them.
@mattbrandt69 corrects:"baptism for the dead is never mentioned in the bible, neither is eternal marriage"
So? Does it matter what laughable man-made myths claim?
My MORmON friendrives 600+ miles to a LD$ temple to act in worthless rituals. Then he complains about air pollution and not having enough time and money.
Regarding Baptism by Proxy, LBS members do not answer the question: What abouthose for whom there are no records?
We really should never have gotten in the middle of the whole Prop 8 debate. I trust that the General Authorities had good reasons for getting involved in politics against the rules that the church generally follows (I wasn't a member of it yet at that time), but it exposed the church to more criticism than was necessary at that time. Then again, it must needs be that there is an opposition in all things.
And whatever God really is it made sure that life sprang on Earth, whatever it is, it made humans capable of conscieces thought, and at the core it made us want to live, not just humans, but everything.
God is a genetice phoenomenone, as particles of stardust that land on earth, instrumented the molecules that created life, and through the years, made chemical reactions that ensure that life continued without end. Whatever God is it made sure that even when we (or things die) parts of use will continue to live on no matter what. Just like you, God is a part of us, an entity from the cosmos. Heck even when we die the same chemical reactions that first created life is still within us.
Well to tell you guys the truth a lot of stories even in olden times where created by people who saw the great advances of mankind, yet know that their stories where nothing but visions and scenarios of what is to come to pass. And only tyrants will endoctrine the youth to believe false truths.
@faraway9222 You don't have to, but others believe in God, and in this they will have to believe in you. It is a perverse way of saying that you do exist, for the darkness its a way to collect believers, for the light it is a person to protect.
@MrUltimatemonkey I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at. I understand i don't have to believe in God, i'm not trying to play the "everyone has an opinion, lets be nice" game. I'm asked an adult question and i'm looking for an adult answer. I'm asking the creationists why should i believe in God. I should think they would have some kind of answer for me if they expect me to take them seriously.
I was in the San Diego temple during the protest at 1:40 with my Young Women's group to do baptisms. I was ticked that they were trying to distract from our spiritual experience, but once inside, we felt the Spirit and we were instantly relaxed. About 4 years after, my husband and I were sealed in that same temple. A truly beautiful and wonderful place :)
@jmnunnelee I'm a convert to the LDS church and when I first heard about baptism for the dead I was shocked. But then I found out that this is mentioned in the Bible! So there is Biblical reference for this. Other churches just overlook it or misinterpret it.
@robertgift I grew up Episcopalian and I never heard of anything about baptism for the dead. So when I was investigating the LDS church years ago and first heard this term, I didn't know what to think! I thought they performed weird rituals on corpses or something! Ha! Then I learned more about it and understood it, and saw that it is mentioned in the Bible.
@robertgift They are taught the Gospel in the spirit world as well. The Millennium will be a time when temple work is the most abundant for those that have gone unmentioned in the mortal life. I think, also, names of those that have not been accounted for are given by spirit of revelation as well, which would take a considerable amount of faith to receive.
One can pretend to receive names. No one will know it is fantasy.
Temple work is not "work". It is meaningless ritual which accomplishes nothing. Do you actually believe that God wants people to waste time, money, gasoline to act in worthless rituals?
LBS wash their "Jesus Jammies" separate from the rest of the wash.
Not as clean doing that. The time wasted on such nonsense is laughable. While my friend is doing useless rituals, I am donating REAL work.
@robertgift Obviously temple work is meaningless to you because you don't do it or actually know what temple work is. But temple work isn't the only thing we do with our time, we also do tons of service. A few years ago I went on a trip to Mexico with other members of my church and we helped build an orphanage. I consider that a real donation of real work. On a side-note, I'm only 17 years old.
@hyrumsutton I know ALL about Temple "work". Correct, I do not do rituals.
I would say "meaningless" rituals, but to LBS, it has meaning - even though myth.
Imagine what good could be done if money and materials built orphanages and medical clinics rather than temples. Imagine if gas used to drive to temples took elderly to medical appointments, stores, parks and concerts instead of to worthless rituals? Imagine if deadunking were replaced with sitting and listening to seniors!
Sacred NOT secret. Anyone who becomes worthy can enter. The only reason you don't talk about what goes on inside is for respect of the sacred nature of what's learned.
@ElderHeff Yeah, right. A young woman who gets knocked up and goes "Boo hoo, I'm sorry" will probably only be disfellowshipped. Gay sex pretty much gets you excommunicated for sure. So which sexual sin is worse? Some will say they're both bad, but they're not treated as though they are. The woman whose actions brought another spirit child into this world into a broken home is treated far far more leniently than someone who has committed a "crime against nature."
@thermionic I'm not gay, foolish of you to assume I am. Some people want EVERYONE to be as free as they'd like themselves to be. Also, I don't want your approval. I simply want you to refrain from using violence on people to enforce your religion. You're gonna have it coming when the Christians aren't in the majority anymore and someone else is forcing their religion down your throat. I just wish you wouldn't take me with you. I don't have it coming. I don't use violence to get my way.
The temple isnt a secret, its SACRED,we cant just let outsiders come in and out of something so sacred. ive been inside the temple many times for baptism for the dead, and i loved it.the spirit is so strong in there and i felt nothing but love & joy. For the gays, the church isnt anti-gay,i have gay friends and therye cool. id say were anti-gay MARRIAGE because in the Holy Bible it says marriage is only between a man and a woman.But gays want to slap God in the face by changing something holy.
kinda funny how not once did it call the church my its proper name "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" but rather they refer to it as "the Mormon church" which it is not. Mormon was just a prophet not a God or anything. It's Jesus Christs church. I guess this shows the reporters never looked past the cover of the book and just assumed it was "Mormon church"
@robertgift STOP!, sir you know why! Please don’t lower your self down to passive aggressive questions to try to get a rise out of Mormons. Read the old testament and the sacred nature the Jews of old showed reverence for the tabernacle/Solomon’s temple, understand the Temple from Jesus’ point in the new testament. Its what we hold sacred if we were to allow cameras it would be mocked from you and other “anti-Mormons” ..peace sir, have a good day J
@thundersheep001 Why do you attempto evade a simple, valid question? (As a dispatcher, I have time to watch Youtube and ask questions.) Why would your belief in White-man-made myth, fairytales, and superstition offend me?
No, I shall not waste time touring an open temple, unless nearby. Photos = tour.
@Stars You can't imagine that some people are born gay? Were you born straight?
Regardless of what others say is right andelightsome, I had no choice in the gender to which I am attracted.
I guarantee you there are numerous gay Mormons... you either don't about them & they choose to practice in secret, or they choose to suppress their sexual desires the best they can for the sake of their religion. Take it from someone who knows...
JEEZ CANT MORMONS STOP PICKING FIGHTS AND ONE-UP'ing EVERY COMMENT ON YOUTUBE?! its annoying and I am a mormon! yeah, there are going to be people who are not completely informed about what mormons really believe but that doesnt mean we go around trying to set people straight by acting like a jerk in the comments as if the person was dumb! show a little respect honestly!
So if you have a brother or sister you HATE you are forced to be with them forever. That just needs one response: No Thank YOU God for the awesome part you played in having me born into a family who includes that person. Thank you will all my loving heart. In other words: F you God. Think about that situation.
@Foreshadow44 Hey don't talk like that please. Secondly, salvation is individual. If you are bad and everyone else in your family is good, then you get to go to the other kingdoms of glory, where you will regret everything bad you did eternally and will spend an eternity in torment. So you don't have to stay with your brother if you don't want to. Think about THIS situation.
@Foreshadow44 I have a sister I used to hate. I shared a room with her and the only time we spoke to each other is when we would be screaming and shouting at each ohter,then she had a child and she took it out on me even more. But I am her sister so when she turned to me for help I was there for her, now that we are older we know we should have been better to each other. I would have no problem spending eternity as her sister now. u learn as u get older .God knew we wud be good for each other
I am a Mormon. I would like to make it clear that Mormons are not Anti-Gay... we are pro-family. Within the church we have a law of sexual purity called the law of chastity which prohibits sex outside of marrage between a man and woman. Someone who has homosexual feelings is still accepted into the church 100% as long as he/she keeps the law of chastity. If one does break the law of chastity... that person will be just as accountable to his/her sin as strait people who have had pre-marital sex.
@ElderHeff Thank you very much for that comment. I'm not LDS but as a raised & practicing Hindu/Islam....sexual purity is highly regarded in not only our religion but also our culture. We condemn premarital sex. We strongly believe marriage enables one to attain the highest form of righteousness within this sacred spiritual bond. I've seen the positive outcome of that. Out of all the Christian sects, I respect the LDS faith for upholding their high standards.
@ElderHeff : From the words of our beloved leader, Ghandi: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I've always felt this way about all Christians until I became accquainted with LDS members at various occasions in my life. To me, the LDS faith are an exception because of their high standards especially with the incredible opposition they face. I admire their persistence and courage to carry on. That's says a lot about them in a good way.
But you want to use the government's monopoly on violence to prevent other people from living in a way your god disapproves of. I was raised Mormon. I was in a priesthood meeting when the 2nd counselor stood up an urged us all to vote against liquor by the drink, that is, to put people in cages for breaking the word of wisdom. Disgusting. You can believe and live how you life but I wish you'd leave me alone to do the same.
@Roycerson This is a republic and people are free to express their opinions. I am opposed to Mormonism and homosexuality / sodomy and have the right to my opinion as do homosexualists and Mormons. Homosexuality / sodomy is counter to most religions and can never be sanctified. Changes in secular law are subject to the will of the people. This does not prevent you from committing sodomy. And you will never get my blessing, so live with that as we must with your degenerate behavior.
@ElderHeff So married homosexual couples can be members in good standing, temple worthy and all that, because they're having sexual relations within wedlock? Do Mormons tend to believe that homosexual couples who want to have a family can adopt or give birth through artificial insemination? If the answer is no to these questions, I will ask you to define the terms "pro-family" and "anti-gay".
@ElderHeff Okay thats a start. I'm not gay but very persucuted by your people because I'm not the right skin color for you congregation because I'm not white. Let me see if your a good person, because I've seen through a lot of you own ignorance. Like KKK ignorance. Prove to me that you are a kind person. If you fail then it is of your own fault. I am an Asian male.
@ElderHeff Let me guess, "Elder".... you are prob. under 40 years of age. The day I call ANYone under the age of 60 "Elder" - is the day (nonexistent) Hell freezes over!
It takes a profound amount of willful ignorance to not take a good long look at your chosen (or forced) religion, and not turn away from it based upon its clear fraudulent origins and outrageous science fiction stories. What makes your zany belief system any more rational, sane, or acceptable than Scientology?
@RPrichiman morons: "People are not born gay, they choose to become gay."
Why would I choose to be gay? Parents may be heartbroken and siblings and relatives and friends would all be so disappointed.
I'd choose to bring hatred and loathing and prejudice upon myself? I'diminish chances of being employed at a job I may really want and love? Why would I do that?
@ab330 Only if you make it that way. I was the same way, but you must give it a chance. Invite a missionary over, I'm sure they need some dinner anyway ;) seriously though, they are cool cats.
To my dear Brothers and Sisters, don’t argue with the angry cause there nothing you can say to convince you just cause more angry. They have been taught by their religions to seek and find fault, this has been passed down through their families from great grandfather who thought Mormons were scary weird. JUST STOP arguing with them let them rage at the “Mormon posts” ignore it …. Our church does fine and we will continue to grow and be fine! peace!
@thundersheep001 I found out all this hate too. The reason is because their ancestors who were alive who disliked the church (even the ones who killed Joseph Smith) have brought that anger and have on for generations and generations.
@thundersheep001 posts: "...don’t argue with the angry cause there nothing you can say to convince you just cause more angry..." Who is angry? Just because the MORmON religion is White-man-made myth, fairytales and superstition does not mean non believers are "angry" about it. I am not.
Your church relies on gullibles to grow. But many members arealizing it is a fun, self-improving, many activities, family-oriented lie. They are leaving. Some of them are angry for being deceived by LD$..
"...He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
@MyLifeIsInHime: "Wow, marriage for eternity? Where does it found in scripture?"
Mark 10:9 "What therefore God hath ajoined together, let not man put asunder."
-- Why would God split up a family that has been married by His authority after death? 1 Cor. 11:11 "Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord".
-- Marriage is important to God after the ressurrection as well as in this life.
I'm not quite sure I understand the conflicts between those who criticize and those who are criticized. I am myself and society is not me. LDS members are not cruel hearted or polygamists. Time and time again I am hearing the ridiculous rumors of Mormonism. If a young child walks up to you and tells you their testament are you going to tell them that they soil Christians? I apologize for my hot-headedness, but LDS members today, who takes the time to know them and their beliefs?
what a bunch of phonies mormons are. temples are supposed to bring people closer to god. how can they say they bring people closer to christ but forbids people to get in without paying a tithing.
@MrRandomppl Perhaps you should stop using a faulty stereotype, a tithing is not the requirement for entering the temple, but wothyness, in which several factors are taken in. A persons worthyness is guaged by individual circumstance, and while tithing is taken into consideration, it is not by any means a mandatory requirement. Seriously, do your homework before making such a ingnorant comment.
@MrRandomppl Are you allowed to drive a car if you don't have a license? Simple obedience to a simple law grants a privilege. Temple attendance is not a right to be demanded. It's privilege that you earn with your behavior.
@BlazingGoddess so i need a license so that i can get closer to Jesus? interesting... and so i will earn one by not following Jesus, but obey the teachings of a man who had 40 wives and had murdered 2. Of course you will tell me to check my FACTS cause you will consider them wrong. (i wonder how can a fact ever be wrong) Cheers.
@MrRandomppl Clearly you've missed the principle in which my reply was based. For the record, we do follow Christ. And I have no doubt that you do, too.
@MrRandomppl No you don't need a lisense to get closer to Jesus, but you DO need someones permission before entering their home. Temples are set up to do the most sacred of the Lords Ordinances, they are the houses of the Lord, and if your not willing to commit to the standards Jesus taught for you to follow in order to enter his presence, don't complain when you don't qualify to enter his most holy places. It was the same in the Bible, so don't complain because of your own flaws.
@bobyoung53 Not that I recall, then again, so many people distort the BM to try and invent a conflict without regard to the actual teachings, I'm sure SOMEONE will insist it does. Before you start saying that 'Mormons believe this or that" I want to ask, do you actually know what LDS practice? Or are you yet another who forces his own interpratations and stereotypes on others just because they can't be bothered to learn what LDS believe about the nature of men and eternal progression?
So often is the case that those outside looking in take snippets of information without the reguard for the whole picture, leaving out vital information in order to distort. For instance a common accusation is the mention that the people worshiped the great spirit and that Alma said God is a spirit, however, this is distorted as it leaves out the fact that Alma was describing the state in which he found peole he was to teach, and his attempts to relate the current beliefs to what he taught...
... Critics also ignore the context of time and the meaning of words to one people as opposed to another. Such as in the story of Alma, the King he taught thought that he was the 'great spirit' and Alma was obviously a man of flesh and blood, so 'Spirit' to them did not mean the same as it does to the critics who insist that it be taken as they wish it to. It is strange how people insist faults on others when they half to distort in order to make the accusation.
@bobyoung53 Riiiiiiiight, if only just the people who agreed with you could have a vote. Oh wait, that would be tyranny. Seriously get over yourself, people don't HAVE to agree with you just because you think you hold moral superiority. If anything it shows us just how extreme YOU are then any supposed offense you can try and paintbrush over others.
Deep down, we all know organized religion is bullshit. It's very funny when one religious group argues with another religious group over which book, which work of fiction, is "true". Continue arguing over your fables and your make-believe Gods.
@schlegelt I find it sad when someone becomes a hypocrite by argueing atheism while mocking others for debating about religion. Sort of the pot calling the kettle black.
Second, I am not trying to convince you to believe in God, nor convince you you the truth of any book. I am merely pointing the stereotypes and mistakes that critics make when makeing statements about LDS belief.
@Dyoni1 I am far from being an Atheist, nor am I arguing Atheism, my friend. I was only commenting on people, on hypocrites, that debate one religious book over another. A book is a book is a book. If you are searching for God, you won't find it in any book.
@schlegelt Then you are still at fault my friend. LDS don't debate one book over another, they accept the truth where it comes, able to appreciate the concepts in other faiths that do good. They accept the Bible as the word of truth as far as it is translated correctly. Thus they are not debating one book over another, and here I am again merely pointing out the mistakes in the assuptions and stereotypes that others make against the church.
@Dyoni1 My comments are not directed exclusively at LDS, but rather at people, like you, that argue one religion, or one book, or one doctrine, over another. You've missed my point entirely. I don't know if you are a follower, nor do I care, but you can't claim LDS does all the things you say they do. To say every member has these traits is absurd. You may be speaking of LDS as the idea, but I am speaking of its members. Members not only of LDS, but other religions.
@schlegelt Of course I'm not saying every member has the same traits, however, there is a difference between an individual and the practice as a whole. Again, I am not argueing one religion over another, rather, I am correcting the mistakes that others try to protray on another religion. That does not say it is better then another. That is portraying it how it is meant to be portray rather then letting others try and drag it through the mud.
@schlegelt When people do not follow the rules, weither it be the laws of the land, or those of a game, are those laws the flaws? No, it is the inevitable nature of free agency, the ability to decide for ones self to do right or wrong by which all human beings are capable. LDS understand that people are imperfect, as Christ himself knew and understood. Critics, however often overlook this fact and demand perfection, ignoring this view and setting a standard that would easily condemn anyone.
Worst journalism ever. First they don't even use the correct name of the church. Second, they make a temple open house sound like some unusual gimmick to improve the church's image. A simple Google search would show that open houses are common for every new temple, and the media is always invited. I hate bigotry in the media. ABC News, you blew it.
Bob McDonnell added one more accomplishment to his official biography Monday: conductor of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. At the conclusion of a concert by the choir and Orchestra at Temple Square in Norfolk's Scope Arena, McDonnell stepped onto the
Under a draping white canopy, a choir sang, a dedication was made, and leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints lifted heaps of sand in a groundbreaking ceremony Saturday of the first Mormon temple in South Florida.
"This is a joyous day," said Elder William Walker, executive director of the temple department. "They finally have their own temple."
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with chapels across the state, has only one temple, in Orlando. Saturday's Davie ground breaking will put temple No. 2 in South Florida.
If the Mormons believe that gay marriage is wrong, they don't have to participate in it. That doesn't mean they have the right to tell other people what they can do. Not Mormonism, not mainstream Christianity, nor any other religion has the right to make their doctrine into law.
@TheSmackerlacker Regarding Mormons you quoted, "That doesn't mean they have the right to tell other people what they can do." I find this perplexing as your post insists on telling Mormons what they can do. Like many California residents Mormons voted their conscience regarding proposition 8. And yes, just like every American they do have the right to vote for legislation or candidates according to their beliefs, values and principals.
@jeraboo29 I did not say "No one ever has the right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do.".
I said that religion is not justification for claiming that homosexuality is immoral, and I think it should be very clear to any rational person that nothing can be wrong that harms no one.
This is my moral standard. I don't decide what is right and wrong based on what some book tells me.
Doctrine is not morality. Religion does not decide law. It is not permitted to force your beliefs on anyone.
In conclusion, stating my opinion is not at all like trying to make my opinion into law. Insinuating that because I express a differing viewpoint I am somehow telling people what to do is slander.
The Mormon church is attempting to make their religious views on homosexuality into law. I have stated that this is illegal and immoral.
Feel free to disagree, but don't misunderstand. What I have done is nothing like what they have done. Not even close.
@TheSmackerlacker US laws are based on judeo-christian principals & values. What Mormons have done is voted on a propisition regarding gay marriage in California. How is this imposing or forcing their religion on others? California is not over-populated with LDS, it's a miniscule amount. The citizens of CA religious & other wise voted according to their free will. I think your aggression towards the LDS church inhibits you from accepting this. Americans vote based on their beliefs & principals.
@jeraboo29 US laws are NOT based on Judeo-christian principles. They are crested by the legislature, signed in to LAW by the Executive. and SOMETIMES upheld or determined unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. RELIGION has NOTHING to do with LAW or PROP 8. That is why, if it is a religious push to change a law I say BULLSHIT. Don't force your religious beliefs on other people.We should all have the same CIVIL rights. RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE FOR CHURCHES.CIVIL RIGHTS ARE FOR ALL OF US. IT''S EASY!
@jeraboo29 Jeraboo, in your opinion, is it moral to allow people to vote on the rights of a minority? Don't you think that seems a little wrong? I mean, it's minority. It's kind of like when Missouri residents started issuing laws against Mormonism in the 19th century, wouldn't you say? Or when the Germans issued laws against Jews...I could go on and on.
@Bananianiown In my personal opinion only, marriage is not a civil right. Thus, voting on a proposition by state citizens should be left to the citizens and is not an issue of rights. The comparison to Missouri and Nazi Germany is silly as we are speaking of the extermination of people based on race & religion via the Government, NOT the freedom to vote in your state. You may have to give me an example where the people voted to take a civil right away, I cannot think of an instance.
@jeraboo29 Ah, how about women's suffrage in Utah? Women were granted the right to vote in Utah in 1870, but Congress revoked that privilege in an effort to eradicate polygamy. That was wrong. And I didn't ask about marriage, I asked about voting on minority's rights. Is it morally acceptable for a people to decide what is best for a group to which they do not belong? My analogy would work if you were a Mormon in the 19th century or a Jew. You've forgotten what it is to be hated by a nation.
@jeraboo29 Oh, and as to the whole over-used "America was founded as a Christian country" thing, you are aware that the founding fathers were a mixture of Deist/Athiest/Agnostics, right? ALL western civilization uses Judeo-Christian principles as a basis for law, so that's certainly no excuse for taking away the rights of a minority. After all, gay marriage is legal in Canada, and theirs is based off of Judeo-Christian principles.
@Bananianiown Yes, many were deists, however, they all believed in a higher power or god where natural rights are derived. I agree, western civilization uses Judeo-Christian principles as law and fundamental morality. No rights have been taken, a state proposition was on the ballot where citizens voted according to their free will. How is anyone taking the rights away from another when you vote on a proposition? Canada is not America.
@jeraboo29 I think they just did... the only thing is... you gays... and lesbians... lose... so better try next time... I suggest you invite more lesbo and gay... so you will win... its a democracy right...?
Responder a este vídeo... Mormon is not the right title for the church.. It`s LDS .. the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints.. and Jesus is the one who's in charge through his modern prophet... so people truly have freedom of choice but that doesn't mean you can go on corrupting what's naturally established by God ...`til the end we will defend what's right and protect our children from anti-natural behavior. ADAM & EVE = man and woman = they become one flesh = procreate babies
@LDSPANAMA That's fine. "Protect" your children from this imaginary threat. Leave MY children out of it. If JESUS CHRIST, as you call him, wants to tell me something about morality, he can bring his robed ass to my doorstep and say it to me in person. If God is so powerful, why does he need YOU to tell ME what he thinks is right?
Makes no sense, because it's not true. It's not God who has something to say, it's you. So don't use your imaginary sky daddy as a shield for your prejudice.
@TheSmackerlacker first of all you should have more respect for the name of Jesus Christ ...do not play with that when you are not sure if he is real ..how about if he was real what would you do if Christ really comes back? ...you would be fried in the spot!! Jesus is so powerful he can come to your doorstep but he won't because that would alter his plan and besides you're a sinner.. yes Jesus will knock at your door in the form of two LDS missionaries this is the way he works.
I mean, here's a guy who is able to be everywhere at all times, is all knowing, all powerful, and omni-benevolent. He loves me and wants a deep, personal relationship with me.
Okay. So, step one is to show up, right?
If I want to have a personal relationship with someone, my first move is to be around. So where the hell is Jesus? I've never seen him, never heard him, never encountered him in any form. He's not real, and he doesn't scare me. Neither do you.
@stayl1971 Telling people what they should do, and telling them what they can do are very different things. Take a step back, and consider that you are defending a position of belligerence, unreasoning hatred, meddlesome interference in affairs that do not concern you, and an effort to make America a little bit more like Afghanistan.
I don't remember God saying "Thou shalt force thy neighbor to believe what you do.". Not that I remember him saying anything else...
GEORGE -- US President James Buchanan contemplated using Brigham Young and the Mormons in a complex chain of events that would result in the acquisition by the United States of northern Mexico and Cuba, the president of the Mormon History Association ...
As Southam spoke at the pizza party, several young men approached her to talk. There is lots of dating in the all-singles congregation, which can sometimes mean competing with a friend for a partner, she said. The way to deal with that? Prayer.
"When something doesn't feel right, maybe that person was wrong," she said. .
@omiolo@omiolo Didn't Jesus say, "Blessed are they who are persecuted for my sake?" I'm an atheist by the way, so I don't believe that Jesus said anything or even existed, but you believe it, right? So why shy away from such an obvious blessing? Isn't it your responsibility as a disciple of Christ to stand up to the mockery and bear it with dignity, for the glory of God?
I can't think of any religion that does not welcome any peaceful loving human being on this planet inside their place of worship off the street. If they are trying to spread the word about their religion why not allow anyone to see inside? If Jesus was alive would he reject an honest man from entering due to not being baptized?
My point is this: Why all the secretes? Would Jesus want segregation among his followers, inequality, secrecy? Are we all not created equal and deserving in his image?
@devendati "I can't think of any religion that does not welcome any peaceful loving human being on this planet inside their place of worship off the street."
All are welcome in our chapel where we worship every Sunday. As for our Temples, we used to let all inside, instead of honoring and respecting our sacredness they mocked it, ridiculed it and used it to terrorize from one state to another. Thus we leave our Temples open ONLY to those who can appreciate the services to its fullest.
@omiolo If you have to silence me, you are wrong. Completely, utterly wrong. Furthermore, no one is entitled to protection from criticism. You are free to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that I have to respect you for it.
Hell, I don't even care if you don't let people into your churches, but don't pretend that it's because we don't deserve the honor of being inside.
The church always opens temples for tours before they are dedicated. You can read more about Mormons and Mormonism from a funny gay Mormon's perspective at bookofmormonstories.blogspot.com
"And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom." Mark 15:37-38 "Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands." Acts 7:48 :The Lord of Heaven and earth does not live in temples made by man" Acts 17:24
@mRwhite298 messages me: "world is full of SPIRITUAL DEAD AND BLIND who are decived by lucifer-devil-satan and amazingly to remove this blindness people should read ONLY GOD HOLY WORD/HOLY BIBLE with humble heart and all what is false will be ILLUMINATED WITH GOD HOLY TRUTH exosing satan corruption!!!"
Really? Have you a credible source?
The Bible is full of man-made myth, fairytales, superstitions.
It is just as ridiculous as the Qur'an and Book of MORmON.
robertgift 1 day ago
See! Even @mRwhite298 has his man-made myth which he spouts as trvth.
He also has no proof whatsoever. Hint: No one does.
You can do all your wothless rituals that you wish. You accomplish nothing but wasting valuable time, fuel, resources which could otherwise be so helpful.
MORmONS like to think that their rituals are important "work". They enjoy being considered "worthy", to be allowed to enter exclusive places to star in absurd acts with memorized lines and costumes.
robertgift 1 day ago
They protested against something against people who are not belong in the church. They feel that reptution is ruined.
So, they use commericals and newcasts to bring up thier images... then saying they are sorry.
Nice going Mormons.
YarbroK 5 days ago
Why are Mormon Temple ceremonies secret to the public when the Old Testament temple ceremonies were open to public knowledge?
MrAlanarns 1 week ago
@MrAlanarns I don't believe they were. When Moses was in the wilderness and they had the portable temples they were treated just as sacredly as they are now. They are holy places, and you have to be worthy to enter them.
hyrumsutton 1 day ago
baptism for the dead is never mentioned in the bible, neither is eternal marriage.
mattbrandt69 1 week ago
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@mattbrandt69 corrects:"baptism for the dead is never mentioned in the bible, neither is eternal marriage"
So? Does it matter what laughable man-made myths claim?
My MORmON friendrives 600+ miles to a LD$ temple to act in worthless rituals. Then he complains about air pollution and not having enough time and money.
Regarding Baptism by Proxy, LBS members do not answer the question: What abouthose for whom there are no records?
robertgift 6 days ago
We really should never have gotten in the middle of the whole Prop 8 debate. I trust that the General Authorities had good reasons for getting involved in politics against the rules that the church generally follows (I wasn't a member of it yet at that time), but it exposed the church to more criticism than was necessary at that time. Then again, it must needs be that there is an opposition in all things.
antodav 2 weeks ago
And whatever God really is it made sure that life sprang on Earth, whatever it is, it made humans capable of conscieces thought, and at the core it made us want to live, not just humans, but everything.
MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
God is a genetice phoenomenone, as particles of stardust that land on earth, instrumented the molecules that created life, and through the years, made chemical reactions that ensure that life continued without end. Whatever God is it made sure that even when we (or things die) parts of use will continue to live on no matter what. Just like you, God is a part of us, an entity from the cosmos. Heck even when we die the same chemical reactions that first created life is still within us.
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MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
Well to tell you guys the truth a lot of stories even in olden times where created by people who saw the great advances of mankind, yet know that their stories where nothing but visions and scenarios of what is to come to pass. And only tyrants will endoctrine the youth to believe false truths.
MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
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MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
Just a question, Why should i believe there is a God?
faraway9222 2 weeks ago
@faraway9222 You don't have to, but others believe in God, and in this they will have to believe in you. It is a perverse way of saying that you do exist, for the darkness its a way to collect believers, for the light it is a person to protect.
MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
@MrUltimatemonkey I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at. I understand i don't have to believe in God, i'm not trying to play the "everyone has an opinion, lets be nice" game. I'm asked an adult question and i'm looking for an adult answer. I'm asking the creationists why should i believe in God. I should think they would have some kind of answer for me if they expect me to take them seriously.
faraway9222 2 weeks ago
Lol the sign Mormons=bigots all we are trying to do is serve god and we are the bigots?
yellowcorba1 3 weeks ago
Mormon commercials are fucking hilarious.
Water4Jeremiah 4 weeks ago
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I'm a Mormon and I'm voting for RON PAUL 2012!
97gs500e 1 month ago
I was in the San Diego temple during the protest at 1:40 with my Young Women's group to do baptisms. I was ticked that they were trying to distract from our spiritual experience, but once inside, we felt the Spirit and we were instantly relaxed. About 4 years after, my husband and I were sealed in that same temple. A truly beautiful and wonderful place :)
BlushingBride818 1 month ago
baptising dead people is wrong haha what if a body floated away haha funny
jmnunnelee 1 month ago
@jmnunnelee I'm a convert to the LDS church and when I first heard about baptism for the dead I was shocked. But then I found out that this is mentioned in the Bible! So there is Biblical reference for this. Other churches just overlook it or misinterpret it.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 paul mentions it but NEVER requires it.
pressbox1492 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 paul mentions it but NEVER requires it.
pressbox1492 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 what book in the bible and chapter is that located in
jmnunnelee 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 "when I first heard about baptism for the dead I was shocked"
Why?
Many myths have their laughable, worthless rituals.
But what abouthose who lived andied for whom there are not records?
What happens to them?
robertgift 1 week ago
@robertgift I grew up Episcopalian and I never heard of anything about baptism for the dead. So when I was investigating the LDS church years ago and first heard this term, I didn't know what to think! I thought they performed weird rituals on corpses or something! Ha! Then I learned more about it and understood it, and saw that it is mentioned in the Bible.
cindybin2001 1 week ago
@cindybin2001 Thank you.
What abouthose who lived andied for whom there are not records?
How can they be baptized by proxy?
robertgift 1 week ago
@robertgift They are taught the Gospel in the spirit world as well. The Millennium will be a time when temple work is the most abundant for those that have gone unmentioned in the mortal life. I think, also, names of those that have not been accounted for are given by spirit of revelation as well, which would take a considerable amount of faith to receive.
GrayHatH4x0r 5 days ago
@GrayHatH4x0r Thank you.
One can pretend to receive names. No one will know it is fantasy.
Temple work is not "work". It is meaningless ritual which accomplishes nothing. Do you actually believe that God wants people to waste time, money, gasoline to act in worthless rituals?
LBS wash their "Jesus Jammies" separate from the rest of the wash.
Not as clean doing that. The time wasted on such nonsense is laughable. While my friend is doing useless rituals, I am donating REAL work.
robertgift 5 days ago
@robertgift Obviously temple work is meaningless to you because you don't do it or actually know what temple work is. But temple work isn't the only thing we do with our time, we also do tons of service. A few years ago I went on a trip to Mexico with other members of my church and we helped build an orphanage. I consider that a real donation of real work. On a side-note, I'm only 17 years old.
hyrumsutton 1 day ago
@hyrumsutton I know ALL about Temple "work". Correct, I do not do rituals.
I would say "meaningless" rituals, but to LBS, it has meaning - even though myth.
Imagine what good could be done if money and materials built orphanages and medical clinics rather than temples. Imagine if gas used to drive to temples took elderly to medical appointments, stores, parks and concerts instead of to worthless rituals? Imagine if deadunking were replaced with sitting and listening to seniors!
robertgift 1 day ago
@jmnunnelee It's by proxy silly, hence someone physically substitutes for the deceased person.
jeraboo29 1 month ago 6
@jeraboo29 do you believe evil must exsist?
pressbox1492 1 month ago
@jeraboo29 proxy or not it is still creepy
nj2az2ut 1 week ago
@jmnunnelee what the ? no offence but you need to honestly study first before you go and write something like this.
MissCorinaJane 3 weeks ago
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Sacred NOT secret. Anyone who becomes worthy can enter. The only reason you don't talk about what goes on inside is for respect of the sacred nature of what's learned.
probrojeffro 1 month ago
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probrojeffro 1 month ago
@ElderHeff Yeah, right. A young woman who gets knocked up and goes "Boo hoo, I'm sorry" will probably only be disfellowshipped. Gay sex pretty much gets you excommunicated for sure. So which sexual sin is worse? Some will say they're both bad, but they're not treated as though they are. The woman whose actions brought another spirit child into this world into a broken home is treated far far more leniently than someone who has committed a "crime against nature."
Vitreophilus 1 month ago
@ElderHeff
Can I get your drug dealers name? You must smoke a fine grade of crack for you to make such a statement
gorisan202 1 month ago
@thermionic I'm not gay, foolish of you to assume I am. Some people want EVERYONE to be as free as they'd like themselves to be. Also, I don't want your approval. I simply want you to refrain from using violence on people to enforce your religion. You're gonna have it coming when the Christians aren't in the majority anymore and someone else is forcing their religion down your throat. I just wish you wouldn't take me with you. I don't have it coming. I don't use violence to get my way.
Roycerson 1 month ago
The temple isnt a secret, its SACRED,we cant just let outsiders come in and out of something so sacred. ive been inside the temple many times for baptism for the dead, and i loved it.the spirit is so strong in there and i felt nothing but love & joy. For the gays, the church isnt anti-gay,i have gay friends and therye cool. id say were anti-gay MARRIAGE because in the Holy Bible it says marriage is only between a man and a woman.But gays want to slap God in the face by changing something holy.
please4ckmy9 1 month ago
kinda funny how not once did it call the church my its proper name "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" but rather they refer to it as "the Mormon church" which it is not. Mormon was just a prophet not a God or anything. It's Jesus Christs church. I guess this shows the reporters never looked past the cover of the book and just assumed it was "Mormon church"
PTEredmond 1 month ago
It's just sacred not secret and sacred
Chrysanthemum105 1 month ago
"Sot the dead have the option of converting to mormonism in the afterlife"
Now that is radical
macroevolve 1 month ago
@macroevolve Thanks. Your comment was cool and funny. But you're right. They have the option.
savezelda 1 month ago
@worktosser All deists are totally bat shit.
blabbyblah1 2 months ago
Why no cameras inside? Why only "official" video of a temple which is not yet open?
robertgift 3 months ago
@robertgift STOP!, sir you know why! Please don’t lower your self down to passive aggressive questions to try to get a rise out of Mormons. Read the old testament and the sacred nature the Jews of old showed reverence for the tabernacle/Solomon’s temple, understand the Temple from Jesus’ point in the new testament. Its what we hold sacred if we were to allow cameras it would be mocked from you and other “anti-Mormons” ..peace sir, have a good day J
thundersheep001 3 months ago
@thundersheep001 Thank you, thunder, for responding, but you have not answered the question.
No, I shall not waste my time reading the old testament or any othereligious nonsense.
You HAVE allowed cameras. Why not pan around 360-degrees and show all?
We can still reveal and criticize the LD$ Crutch without photos.
robertgift 3 months ago
@robertgift Its all good brother good luck in life :) and you have the right to criticize sorry my faith offends you ..peace
thundersheep001 3 months ago
@robertgift dude maybe get a hobby or something once agin sorry ..go to an open house sometime you can walk in yourself other than that ...peace
thundersheep001 3 months ago
@thundersheep001 Why do you attempto evade a simple, valid question? (As a dispatcher, I have time to watch Youtube and ask questions.) Why would your belief in White-man-made myth, fairytales, and superstition offend me?
No, I shall not waste time touring an open temple, unless nearby. Photos = tour.
@Stars You can't imagine that some people are born gay? Were you born straight?
Regardless of what others say is right andelightsome, I had no choice in the gender to which I am attracted.
robertgift 3 months ago
@robertgift The official videos actually showed quite a bit. Anything else would have bored you. Per se, the wall.
btfogelberg 1 week ago
Man mormons are duuuumb.
GravyisWavy 3 months ago
@GravyisWavy no they're not
chadro85 3 months ago
@GravyisWavy hahaha ..thanks dude
thundersheep001 3 months ago
I guarantee you there are numerous gay Mormons... you either don't about them & they choose to practice in secret, or they choose to suppress their sexual desires the best they can for the sake of their religion. Take it from someone who knows...
MrLancer918 3 months ago
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JEEZ CANT MORMONS STOP PICKING FIGHTS AND ONE-UP'ing EVERY COMMENT ON YOUTUBE?! its annoying and I am a mormon! yeah, there are going to be people who are not completely informed about what mormons really believe but that doesnt mean we go around trying to set people straight by acting like a jerk in the comments as if the person was dumb! show a little respect honestly!
italianstalian200 3 months ago
So if you have a brother or sister you HATE you are forced to be with them forever. That just needs one response: No Thank YOU God for the awesome part you played in having me born into a family who includes that person. Thank you will all my loving heart. In other words: F you God. Think about that situation.
Foreshadow44 3 months ago
@Foreshadow44 You are a bit off base here.
KMartin730 3 months ago
@Foreshadow44 Hey don't talk like that please. Secondly, salvation is individual. If you are bad and everyone else in your family is good, then you get to go to the other kingdoms of glory, where you will regret everything bad you did eternally and will spend an eternity in torment. So you don't have to stay with your brother if you don't want to. Think about THIS situation.
RPrichiman 3 months ago
@Foreshadow44 I have a sister I used to hate. I shared a room with her and the only time we spoke to each other is when we would be screaming and shouting at each ohter,then she had a child and she took it out on me even more. But I am her sister so when she turned to me for help I was there for her, now that we are older we know we should have been better to each other. I would have no problem spending eternity as her sister now. u learn as u get older .God knew we wud be good for each other
chickflickaddict91 3 months ago
@Foreshadow44 Well you have problem with your own family then. I'm offended when you say " F you God" I'm sure u r Atheism
esauleader 3 months ago
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justlisten2010 4 months ago
And what if a mormon is born gay?
Shahaira 4 months ago
I am a Mormon. I would like to make it clear that Mormons are not Anti-Gay... we are pro-family. Within the church we have a law of sexual purity called the law of chastity which prohibits sex outside of marrage between a man and woman. Someone who has homosexual feelings is still accepted into the church 100% as long as he/she keeps the law of chastity. If one does break the law of chastity... that person will be just as accountable to his/her sin as strait people who have had pre-marital sex.
ElderHeff 4 months ago 46
@ElderHeff Thank you for responding to my question I'm a investigator and I have several other questions about your church
Shahaira 4 months ago
@ElderHeff Thank you very much for that comment. I'm not LDS but as a raised & practicing Hindu/Islam....sexual purity is highly regarded in not only our religion but also our culture. We condemn premarital sex. We strongly believe marriage enables one to attain the highest form of righteousness within this sacred spiritual bond. I've seen the positive outcome of that. Out of all the Christian sects, I respect the LDS faith for upholding their high standards.
dl8a 2 months ago 3
@ElderHeff : From the words of our beloved leader, Ghandi: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I've always felt this way about all Christians until I became accquainted with LDS members at various occasions in my life. To me, the LDS faith are an exception because of their high standards especially with the incredible opposition they face. I admire their persistence and courage to carry on. That's says a lot about them in a good way.
dl8a 2 months ago 11
But you want to use the government's monopoly on violence to prevent other people from living in a way your god disapproves of. I was raised Mormon. I was in a priesthood meeting when the 2nd counselor stood up an urged us all to vote against liquor by the drink, that is, to put people in cages for breaking the word of wisdom. Disgusting. You can believe and live how you life but I wish you'd leave me alone to do the same.
Roycerson 1 month ago
@Roycerson This is a republic and people are free to express their opinions. I am opposed to Mormonism and homosexuality / sodomy and have the right to my opinion as do homosexualists and Mormons. Homosexuality / sodomy is counter to most religions and can never be sanctified. Changes in secular law are subject to the will of the people. This does not prevent you from committing sodomy. And you will never get my blessing, so live with that as we must with your degenerate behavior.
thermionic1234567 1 month ago
@ElderHeff That's quite the unrealistic expectation.
Ericthebearjew1 1 month ago
@ElderHeff well spoken.
savezelda 1 month ago
@ElderHeff So the Mormon church supports gay marriage?
Smithpolly 1 month ago
2 thumbs up!
cinderella1209 1 month ago
@ElderHeff So married homosexual couples can be members in good standing, temple worthy and all that, because they're having sexual relations within wedlock? Do Mormons tend to believe that homosexual couples who want to have a family can adopt or give birth through artificial insemination? If the answer is no to these questions, I will ask you to define the terms "pro-family" and "anti-gay".
bedsheetsblue 1 month ago
@ElderHeff Okay thats a start. I'm not gay but very persucuted by your people because I'm not the right skin color for you congregation because I'm not white. Let me see if your a good person, because I've seen through a lot of you own ignorance. Like KKK ignorance. Prove to me that you are a kind person. If you fail then it is of your own fault. I am an Asian male.
MrUltimatemonkey 2 weeks ago
@ElderHeff Let me guess, "Elder".... you are prob. under 40 years of age. The day I call ANYone under the age of 60 "Elder" - is the day (nonexistent) Hell freezes over!
It takes a profound amount of willful ignorance to not take a good long look at your chosen (or forced) religion, and not turn away from it based upon its clear fraudulent origins and outrageous science fiction stories. What makes your zany belief system any more rational, sane, or acceptable than Scientology?
boggywoman 1 week ago
@boggywoman confronts: "What makes your zany belief system [MORmONism] any more rational, sane, or acceptable than Scientology?"
Because he was told it is. That is good enough "proof".
robertgift 1 week ago
@Shahaira People are not born gay, they choose to become gay.
RPrichiman 3 months ago 3
@RPrichiman Gay is the way someone is born, it is apart of who they are
XMusicInTheStarsX 3 months ago
@XMusicInTheStarsX There is no way someone can be BORN gay. I can't imagine a baby being gay...
RPrichiman 3 months ago
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@RPrichiman morons: "People are not born gay, they choose to become gay."
Why would I choose to be gay? Parents may be heartbroken and siblings and relatives and friends would all be so disappointed.
I'd choose to bring hatred and loathing and prejudice upon myself? I'diminish chances of being employed at a job I may really want and love? Why would I do that?
Did YOU have a choice to whom you are attracted?
robertgift 3 months ago
religion is so creepy...
ab330 4 months ago 2
@ab330 Only if you make it that way. I was the same way, but you must give it a chance. Invite a missionary over, I'm sure they need some dinner anyway ;) seriously though, they are cool cats.
ccconrad88 4 months ago
Great video! What a beautiful temple!!!
wienerdogs4eva 4 months ago
@wienerdogs4eva it really is:)
cymballiciouschick 4 months ago
@wienerdogs4eva Why, thank you very much. God bless you.
NightmareTroubador 4 months ago
To my dear Brothers and Sisters, don’t argue with the angry cause there nothing you can say to convince you just cause more angry. They have been taught by their religions to seek and find fault, this has been passed down through their families from great grandfather who thought Mormons were scary weird. JUST STOP arguing with them let them rage at the “Mormon posts” ignore it …. Our church does fine and we will continue to grow and be fine! peace!
thundersheep001 5 months ago 56
@thundersheep001 I found out all this hate too. The reason is because their ancestors who were alive who disliked the church (even the ones who killed Joseph Smith) have brought that anger and have on for generations and generations.
Anbidas125 4 months ago
We are not doing any damage control . We don't need to defend our faith.
AK77449 3 months ago
@thundersheep001 posts: "...don’t argue with the angry cause there nothing you can say to convince you just cause more angry..." Who is angry? Just because the MORmON religion is White-man-made myth, fairytales and superstition does not mean non believers are "angry" about it. I am not.
Your church relies on gullibles to grow. But many members arealizing it is a fun, self-improving, many activities, family-oriented lie. They are leaving. Some of them are angry for being deceived by LD$..
robertgift 3 months ago
@thundersheep001 good point, man.
savezelda 1 month ago
@thundersheep001 Or because the founder of your religion was an outright fraud. You are ridiculous.
sybo59 4 weeks ago
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We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world." THE LIVING CHRIST
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chicaylds 5 months ago
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@MyLifeIsInHime: "Wow, marriage for eternity? Where does it found in scripture?"
Mark 10:9 "What therefore God hath ajoined together, let not man put asunder."
-- Why would God split up a family that has been married by His authority after death? 1 Cor. 11:11 "Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord".
-- Marriage is important to God after the ressurrection as well as in this life.
Msmith7o8 5 months ago 2
I'm not quite sure I understand the conflicts between those who criticize and those who are criticized. I am myself and society is not me. LDS members are not cruel hearted or polygamists. Time and time again I am hearing the ridiculous rumors of Mormonism. If a young child walks up to you and tells you their testament are you going to tell them that they soil Christians? I apologize for my hot-headedness, but LDS members today, who takes the time to know them and their beliefs?
ArianMelody02 5 months ago
what a bunch of phonies mormons are. temples are supposed to bring people closer to god. how can they say they bring people closer to christ but forbids people to get in without paying a tithing.
MrRandomppl 5 months ago
@MrRandomppl Perhaps you should stop using a faulty stereotype, a tithing is not the requirement for entering the temple, but wothyness, in which several factors are taken in. A persons worthyness is guaged by individual circumstance, and while tithing is taken into consideration, it is not by any means a mandatory requirement. Seriously, do your homework before making such a ingnorant comment.
Dyoni1 5 months ago
@MrRandomppl Are you allowed to drive a car if you don't have a license? Simple obedience to a simple law grants a privilege. Temple attendance is not a right to be demanded. It's privilege that you earn with your behavior.
BlazingGoddess 5 months ago
@BlazingGoddess so i need a license so that i can get closer to Jesus? interesting... and so i will earn one by not following Jesus, but obey the teachings of a man who had 40 wives and had murdered 2. Of course you will tell me to check my FACTS cause you will consider them wrong. (i wonder how can a fact ever be wrong) Cheers.
MrRandomppl 5 months ago
@MrRandomppl Clearly you've missed the principle in which my reply was based. For the record, we do follow Christ. And I have no doubt that you do, too.
BlazingGoddess 5 months ago
@MrRandomppl No you don't need a lisense to get closer to Jesus, but you DO need someones permission before entering their home. Temples are set up to do the most sacred of the Lords Ordinances, they are the houses of the Lord, and if your not willing to commit to the standards Jesus taught for you to follow in order to enter his presence, don't complain when you don't qualify to enter his most holy places. It was the same in the Bible, so don't complain because of your own flaws.
Dyoni1 5 months ago
@bobyoung53 Not that I recall, then again, so many people distort the BM to try and invent a conflict without regard to the actual teachings, I'm sure SOMEONE will insist it does. Before you start saying that 'Mormons believe this or that" I want to ask, do you actually know what LDS practice? Or are you yet another who forces his own interpratations and stereotypes on others just because they can't be bothered to learn what LDS believe about the nature of men and eternal progression?
Dyoni1 5 months ago
So often is the case that those outside looking in take snippets of information without the reguard for the whole picture, leaving out vital information in order to distort. For instance a common accusation is the mention that the people worshiped the great spirit and that Alma said God is a spirit, however, this is distorted as it leaves out the fact that Alma was describing the state in which he found peole he was to teach, and his attempts to relate the current beliefs to what he taught...
Dyoni1 5 months ago
... Critics also ignore the context of time and the meaning of words to one people as opposed to another. Such as in the story of Alma, the King he taught thought that he was the 'great spirit' and Alma was obviously a man of flesh and blood, so 'Spirit' to them did not mean the same as it does to the critics who insist that it be taken as they wish it to. It is strange how people insist faults on others when they half to distort in order to make the accusation.
Dyoni1 5 months ago
@bobyoung53 Riiiiiiiight, if only just the people who agreed with you could have a vote. Oh wait, that would be tyranny. Seriously get over yourself, people don't HAVE to agree with you just because you think you hold moral superiority. If anything it shows us just how extreme YOU are then any supposed offense you can try and paintbrush over others.
Dyoni1 5 months ago
its not a chuch ABC news its a temple get it right
dianemerq 6 months ago
@dianemerq church
dianemerq 6 months ago
For any who would like to read the talk, the actual link is: lds(dot)org/ensign/1971/12/the-only-true-and-living-church?lang=eng
Dyoni1 6 months ago
Deep down, we all know organized religion is bullshit. It's very funny when one religious group argues with another religious group over which book, which work of fiction, is "true". Continue arguing over your fables and your make-believe Gods.
schlegelt 6 months ago
@schlegelt I find it sad when someone becomes a hypocrite by argueing atheism while mocking others for debating about religion. Sort of the pot calling the kettle black.
Second, I am not trying to convince you to believe in God, nor convince you you the truth of any book. I am merely pointing the stereotypes and mistakes that critics make when makeing statements about LDS belief.
Dyoni1 6 months ago
@Dyoni1 I am far from being an Atheist, nor am I arguing Atheism, my friend. I was only commenting on people, on hypocrites, that debate one religious book over another. A book is a book is a book. If you are searching for God, you won't find it in any book.
schlegelt 6 months ago
@schlegelt Then you are still at fault my friend. LDS don't debate one book over another, they accept the truth where it comes, able to appreciate the concepts in other faiths that do good. They accept the Bible as the word of truth as far as it is translated correctly. Thus they are not debating one book over another, and here I am again merely pointing out the mistakes in the assuptions and stereotypes that others make against the church.
Dyoni1 6 months ago
@Dyoni1 My comments are not directed exclusively at LDS, but rather at people, like you, that argue one religion, or one book, or one doctrine, over another. You've missed my point entirely. I don't know if you are a follower, nor do I care, but you can't claim LDS does all the things you say they do. To say every member has these traits is absurd. You may be speaking of LDS as the idea, but I am speaking of its members. Members not only of LDS, but other religions.
schlegelt 6 months ago
@schlegelt Of course I'm not saying every member has the same traits, however, there is a difference between an individual and the practice as a whole. Again, I am not argueing one religion over another, rather, I am correcting the mistakes that others try to protray on another religion. That does not say it is better then another. That is portraying it how it is meant to be portray rather then letting others try and drag it through the mud.
Dyoni1 6 months ago
@schlegelt When people do not follow the rules, weither it be the laws of the land, or those of a game, are those laws the flaws? No, it is the inevitable nature of free agency, the ability to decide for ones self to do right or wrong by which all human beings are capable. LDS understand that people are imperfect, as Christ himself knew and understood. Critics, however often overlook this fact and demand perfection, ignoring this view and setting a standard that would easily condemn anyone.
Dyoni1 6 months ago
@Dyoni1 You continue to miss my point. I hope you find your way.
schlegelt 6 months ago
@schlegelt And you seem to miss mine. Hope you find yours.
Dyoni1 6 months ago
wow so that's where all that money goes... pretty nice pad you got there...
Aileflyer 6 months ago
Worst journalism ever. First they don't even use the correct name of the church. Second, they make a temple open house sound like some unusual gimmick to improve the church's image. A simple Google search would show that open houses are common for every new temple, and the media is always invited. I hate bigotry in the media. ABC News, you blew it.
bytebear 6 months ago 2
@bytebear - That's nothing new. It won't however stop the work of the Lord from continuing.
stayl1971 6 months ago
It is not an uncommon occurrence that spiritual difficulties with
one small item can cause a larger problem. This "chink in the armor"
theory is a strategy that is often exploited by anti-Mormons
familiar with the phenomenon.
omiolo 6 months ago
Many anti-Mormons throw accusations,
many of which can be easily reconciled, with the hopes that one will
stick and gnaw at us until it leads to a major crisis of faith. In
the case of this brother, it wasn't anti-Mormonism that caused the
chink in his armor, but simply a Church policy he disagreed with.
omiolo 6 months ago
Bob McDonnell added one more accomplishment to his official biography Monday: conductor of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. At the conclusion of a concert by the choir and Orchestra at Temple Square in Norfolk's Scope Arena, McDonnell stepped onto the
omiolo 7 months ago
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell leads Mormon Tabernacle Choir
omiolo 7 months ago
Under a draping white canopy, a choir sang, a dedication was made, and leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints lifted heaps of sand in a groundbreaking ceremony Saturday of the first Mormon temple in South Florida.
"This is a joyous day," said Elder William Walker, executive director of the temple department. "They finally have their own temple."
omiolo 7 months ago
South Florida to get first Mormon temple
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with chapels across the state, has only one temple, in Orlando. Saturday's Davie ground breaking will put temple No. 2 in South Florida.
omiolo 7 months ago
If the Mormons believe that gay marriage is wrong, they don't have to participate in it. That doesn't mean they have the right to tell other people what they can do. Not Mormonism, not mainstream Christianity, nor any other religion has the right to make their doctrine into law.
TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker Regarding Mormons you quoted, "That doesn't mean they have the right to tell other people what they can do." I find this perplexing as your post insists on telling Mormons what they can do. Like many California residents Mormons voted their conscience regarding proposition 8. And yes, just like every American they do have the right to vote for legislation or candidates according to their beliefs, values and principals.
jeraboo29 7 months ago 18
@jeraboo29 I did not say "No one ever has the right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do.".
I said that religion is not justification for claiming that homosexuality is immoral, and I think it should be very clear to any rational person that nothing can be wrong that harms no one.
This is my moral standard. I don't decide what is right and wrong based on what some book tells me.
Doctrine is not morality. Religion does not decide law. It is not permitted to force your beliefs on anyone.
TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
@jeraboo29 *continued*
In conclusion, stating my opinion is not at all like trying to make my opinion into law. Insinuating that because I express a differing viewpoint I am somehow telling people what to do is slander.
The Mormon church is attempting to make their religious views on homosexuality into law. I have stated that this is illegal and immoral.
Feel free to disagree, but don't misunderstand. What I have done is nothing like what they have done. Not even close.
TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker US laws are based on judeo-christian principals & values. What Mormons have done is voted on a propisition regarding gay marriage in California. How is this imposing or forcing their religion on others? California is not over-populated with LDS, it's a miniscule amount. The citizens of CA religious & other wise voted according to their free will. I think your aggression towards the LDS church inhibits you from accepting this. Americans vote based on their beliefs & principals.
jeraboo29 7 months ago
@jeraboo29 US laws are NOT based on Judeo-christian principles. They are crested by the legislature, signed in to LAW by the Executive. and SOMETIMES upheld or determined unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. RELIGION has NOTHING to do with LAW or PROP 8. That is why, if it is a religious push to change a law I say BULLSHIT. Don't force your religious beliefs on other people.We should all have the same CIVIL rights. RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE FOR CHURCHES.CIVIL RIGHTS ARE FOR ALL OF US. IT''S EASY!
quack10 6 months ago
@jeraboo29 Jeraboo, in your opinion, is it moral to allow people to vote on the rights of a minority? Don't you think that seems a little wrong? I mean, it's minority. It's kind of like when Missouri residents started issuing laws against Mormonism in the 19th century, wouldn't you say? Or when the Germans issued laws against Jews...I could go on and on.
Bananianiown 6 months ago
@Bananianiown In my personal opinion only, marriage is not a civil right. Thus, voting on a proposition by state citizens should be left to the citizens and is not an issue of rights. The comparison to Missouri and Nazi Germany is silly as we are speaking of the extermination of people based on race & religion via the Government, NOT the freedom to vote in your state. You may have to give me an example where the people voted to take a civil right away, I cannot think of an instance.
jeraboo29 6 months ago
@jeraboo29 Ah, how about women's suffrage in Utah? Women were granted the right to vote in Utah in 1870, but Congress revoked that privilege in an effort to eradicate polygamy. That was wrong. And I didn't ask about marriage, I asked about voting on minority's rights. Is it morally acceptable for a people to decide what is best for a group to which they do not belong? My analogy would work if you were a Mormon in the 19th century or a Jew. You've forgotten what it is to be hated by a nation.
Bananianiown 6 months ago
@jeraboo29 Oh, and as to the whole over-used "America was founded as a Christian country" thing, you are aware that the founding fathers were a mixture of Deist/Athiest/Agnostics, right? ALL western civilization uses Judeo-Christian principles as a basis for law, so that's certainly no excuse for taking away the rights of a minority. After all, gay marriage is legal in Canada, and theirs is based off of Judeo-Christian principles.
Bananianiown 6 months ago
@Bananianiown Yes, many were deists, however, they all believed in a higher power or god where natural rights are derived. I agree, western civilization uses Judeo-Christian principles as law and fundamental morality. No rights have been taken, a state proposition was on the ballot where citizens voted according to their free will. How is anyone taking the rights away from another when you vote on a proposition? Canada is not America.
jeraboo29 6 months ago
@jeraboo29 I think they just did... the only thing is... you gays... and lesbians... lose... so better try next time... I suggest you invite more lesbo and gay... so you will win... its a democracy right...?
JuggerNot3000 6 months ago
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LDSPANAMA 6 months ago
Responder a este vídeo... Mormon is not the right title for the church.. It`s LDS .. the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day Saints.. and Jesus is the one who's in charge through his modern prophet... so people truly have freedom of choice but that doesn't mean you can go on corrupting what's naturally established by God ...`til the end we will defend what's right and protect our children from anti-natural behavior. ADAM & EVE = man and woman = they become one flesh = procreate babies
LDSPANAMA 6 months ago
@LDSPANAMA That's fine. "Protect" your children from this imaginary threat. Leave MY children out of it. If JESUS CHRIST, as you call him, wants to tell me something about morality, he can bring his robed ass to my doorstep and say it to me in person. If God is so powerful, why does he need YOU to tell ME what he thinks is right?
Makes no sense, because it's not true. It's not God who has something to say, it's you. So don't use your imaginary sky daddy as a shield for your prejudice.
TheSmackerlacker 6 months ago
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LDSPANAMA 6 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker first of all you should have more respect for the name of Jesus Christ ...do not play with that when you are not sure if he is real ..how about if he was real what would you do if Christ really comes back? ...you would be fried in the spot!! Jesus is so powerful he can come to your doorstep but he won't because that would alter his plan and besides you're a sinner.. yes Jesus will knock at your door in the form of two LDS missionaries this is the way he works.
LDSPANAMA 6 months ago
@LDSPANAMA I ain't ascared o' no Jesus.
I mean, here's a guy who is able to be everywhere at all times, is all knowing, all powerful, and omni-benevolent. He loves me and wants a deep, personal relationship with me.
Okay. So, step one is to show up, right?
If I want to have a personal relationship with someone, my first move is to be around. So where the hell is Jesus? I've never seen him, never heard him, never encountered him in any form. He's not real, and he doesn't scare me. Neither do you.
TheSmackerlacker 6 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker - The same could be said that we don't have to tolerate people threatening us or telling us how we should or shouldn't be voting.
stayl1971 6 months ago
@stayl1971 Telling people what they should do, and telling them what they can do are very different things. Take a step back, and consider that you are defending a position of belligerence, unreasoning hatred, meddlesome interference in affairs that do not concern you, and an effort to make America a little bit more like Afghanistan.
I don't remember God saying "Thou shalt force thy neighbor to believe what you do.". Not that I remember him saying anything else...
TheSmackerlacker 6 months ago
The Mormon Story behind Zion National Park
omiolo 7 months ago
GEORGE -- US President James Buchanan contemplated using Brigham Young and the Mormons in a complex chain of events that would result in the acquisition by the United States of northern Mexico and Cuba, the president of the Mormon History Association ...
omiolo 7 months ago
As Southam spoke at the pizza party, several young men approached her to talk. There is lots of dating in the all-singles congregation, which can sometimes mean competing with a friend for a partner, she said. The way to deal with that? Prayer.
"When something doesn't feel right, maybe that person was wrong," she said. .
omiolo 7 months ago
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@omiolo @omiolo Didn't Jesus say, "Blessed are they who are persecuted for my sake?" I'm an atheist by the way, so I don't believe that Jesus said anything or even existed, but you believe it, right? So why shy away from such an obvious blessing? Isn't it your responsibility as a disciple of Christ to stand up to the mockery and bear it with dignity, for the glory of God?
TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
I can't think of any religion that does not welcome any peaceful loving human being on this planet inside their place of worship off the street. If they are trying to spread the word about their religion why not allow anyone to see inside? If Jesus was alive would he reject an honest man from entering due to not being baptized?
My point is this: Why all the secretes? Would Jesus want segregation among his followers, inequality, secrecy? Are we all not created equal and deserving in his image?
devendati 7 months ago
@devendati "I can't think of any religion that does not welcome any peaceful loving human being on this planet inside their place of worship off the street."
All are welcome in our chapel where we worship every Sunday. As for our Temples, we used to let all inside, instead of honoring and respecting our sacredness they mocked it, ridiculed it and used it to terrorize from one state to another. Thus we leave our Temples open ONLY to those who can appreciate the services to its fullest.
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo wonder why....
va932 7 months ago
@va932 I don't. I think I even tried to explain it to you.
omiolo 7 months ago
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TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker NO buddy should be bullied.
omiolo 7 months ago
@omiolo If you have to silence me, you are wrong. Completely, utterly wrong. Furthermore, no one is entitled to protection from criticism. You are free to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that I have to respect you for it.
Hell, I don't even care if you don't let people into your churches, but don't pretend that it's because we don't deserve the honor of being inside.
TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
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@TheSmackerlacker "If you have to silence me, you are wrong"
is that the ONLY way to get you to STOP being a bully?
omiolo 7 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker dude you should just shut the fuck up man. you're making things harder for yourself
thepayne0 6 months ago
@omiolo just wanted to point out...its nobody so maybe NO body....but NO buddy just looks a bit silly
enburst 6 months ago
@enburst "but NO buddy just looks a bit silly"
CORRECT, but it works.
omiolo 6 months ago
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TheSmackerlacker 7 months ago
Do LDS believe September 11 2001 was an Inside job?
ortafunk 7 months ago
I am LDS, I got kind of offended because We don't call people "outsiders"
robanah 7 months ago 2
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The church always opens temples for tours before they are dedicated. You can read more about Mormons and Mormonism from a funny gay Mormon's perspective at bookofmormonstories.blogspot.com
ElderAndWiser1 7 months ago
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"And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom." Mark 15:37-38 "Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands." Acts 7:48 :The Lord of Heaven and earth does not live in temples made by man" Acts 17:24
Ilmtpg5 7 months ago