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  • More lies from Richard Gage.

  • This video proves nothing. What a waste of time. The title leads one to believe there is some type of compelling evidence that Richard Gage tells some made up story about the events and evidence of 911. After wasting 2:03 of my life, there is still no refutation of the unexplained, and usually completely avoided, molten metal in the basements of the three buildings the feel that day. Also, no new evidence of how the laws of physics took the day off during the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7.

  • @SHNUCAU "Molten Metal"

    Fires get hot. Aluminum easily melts at the temperatures present in the buildings.

    Tough one eh?

  • @jizzmonger Yes, if you realize that liquid aluminum does not have the appearance of iron in its molten state. What was seen spewing from the sides of the WTC 1 or 2, I don't remember which one it was, was not molten aluminum. This metal was present in the basements for a couple of weeks afterward. It had a sustained burn. Aluminum heated temporarily by jet fuel would not behave this way. According to the official report, there was nothing inside the buildings that could have accomplished that.

  • @SHNUCAU What about the way the buildings collapsed? Does your failure to address that issue mean that you agree that it was impossible for them to have fallen in such a manner?

  • @SHNUCAU I see. So where is your evidence of this molten metal that could have only been iron?

  • @jizzmonger It seems that you are in agreement with me about the collapse of the buildings, so why are we still debating? To answer your question, however, pictures and video of one of the Trade Center towers shows bright orange molten metal spewing from the side. There are eyewitness accounts from firefighters describing molten metal after the collapse still flowing. There are pictures of heavy machinery being used during the cover up, i mean clean up, that depict glowing orange pieces of iron.

  • @SHNUCAU "firefighters describe molten metal"

    That metal being aluminum.

  • @jizzmonger They describe the metal as molten steel. They say it looked as if you were in a foundry. They liken it to lava flowing under the pile of rubble. Aluminum's physical appearance is not like that of iron or steel in its molten state. The problem with your tactics is that it becomes difficult to keep track of all the lies you have told. You end up in a situation, like the one you are in now, where you must lie on top of a lie, and make yourself sound absurd.

  • @SHITCAN

    Oh cool!

    Was there any molten aluminum in the pile or just steel?

  • @jizzmonger If there was aluminum present in the building, then I am sure some of it was there too. You need to find out what steel and aluminum look like in liquid form. Thanks for the fast response. I appreciate it.

  • @SHNUCAU There was aluminum present.

    The firefighters said "molten steel was running down the channel rails"

    SHITCAN, why don't you tell us what channel rails are and what they are made of.

  • @jizzmonger I don't know what they are. Please tell me.

  • @jizzmonger Finally, two to three weeks after the collapse, the temperatures in the pile of debris exceeded 1100 degrees. For this last item in my list, how can molten aluminum maintain such high temperatures for an extended period of time? There was nothing present, according to you and the others who believe the official report, inside any of those buildings that could have burned that hot or for that long. Even if I don't change your mind, which I probably won't, I enjoy the practice.

  • @SHNUCAU The pile was on fire for months after the collapse. 1100 degrees F is not hot enough to make steel molten. LOL

  • @jizzmonger I didn't post anything about the pile of rubble burning for months, it was weeks. Second, this sustained temperature of greater than 1000 degrees Fahrenheit was, as previously stated, weeks after jet fuel, paper, furniture, carpet, and anything else that was in the building could have been used as fuel. The point was not that the highest temperature achieved was 1100 degrees Fahrenheit, it was that the fire was still burning at that temperature underneath all the debris weeks later

  • @SHNUCAU One would expect the fire to be burning underneath all the debri weeks later.

  • @jizzmonger Can you explain what would cause the intense heat, first enough to melt iron, and second, to sustain temperatures of greater than 1000 degrees Fahrenheit for weeks after the building collapsed? Since you are the one with the answers, and I am the ignorant inquirer, please relieve me of my ignorance and answer these questions.

  • @SHNUCAU Sure, if you can show me some melted iron.

    And for Pete's fucking sake. how many times do you need to be told that the pile was on fire and thus would stay hot for several weeks.

    Dipshit, this isn't hard. Fire makes heat theirfore the pile will be hot if it's on fire.

  • @jizzmonger There are many videos and pictures of it. It can been seen coming from one of the buildings before the collapse and during the cleanup. There are also many eyewitness accounts to corroborate this.

  • @SHNUCAU No kidding? May I see these pictures you have of it after it has cooled during the clean-up or while it was molten down in the pile?

    The molten metal pouring out of the building was aluminum, that is why the steel that it is running across is not molten or even glowing red. LOL

  • @jizzmonger You are running out of explanations now. When you get to the end of your list of lies, do you start back at the top and work your way down, or do you people have some other strategy? I have already stated that molten aluminum does not have the same physical appearance as molten iron. Aluminum maintains a silvery luster, especially after leaving the heat source (ie. being poured the way it was coming from the WTC 1 or 2).

  • @jizzmonger Proving you wrong helps me have a greater understanding of the events that occurred, and improves my knowledge. A final point, why is it the requirement of those who disbelieve the government's official story to provide a hand written and signed confession from the responsible party? All we want is answers to the questions being asked and clarification for those answers provided that don't make sense. I will gladly admit that I am wrong if the government can provide this.

  • @SHITCAN "all we want is answers"

    NIST cannot make you not stupid.

  • @jizzmonger NIST does not explain the molten metal, the fact that the Pentagon refuses to release video footage, the way the buildings collapsed, especially building 7, or the testimony of Norman Mineta before the 9-11 Commission. I am obviously not stupid. Your attempts to make me look foolish are a waste of time. Those who read the posts I have made will see sound logic and will also observe your desperate attempts to discredit my argument through your lame attempts at insulting me.

  • @SHITCAN

    You are stupid. It's safe to say you don't even understand the mechanics or NIST's explanation of the collapse. You don't even know what you are refuting.

  • @jizzmonger Nor do you apparently. I do understand the mechanics of the collapse. You like to pick and choose what you address. The things you choose to address are those things you believe to have the strongest points refuting them. This is obvious because you leave the testimony of Norman Mineta alone as well as the Pentagon's failure to release the video footage of the plane hitting the building, etc. Why don't you explain that to me because I am too stupid to understand.

  • @SHITCAN

    LOL

    We are talking about building collapses and you are talking about Norman Mineta and the pentagon.

    Schizophrenic much?

  • @jizzmonger That does not show that I have a personality disorder. It shows that there are multiple inconsistencies in the governments explanation and investigation.

  • @SHNUCAU Only a 911 Truther would think they are right 100% of the time.

  • @jizzmonger I'm still waiting for my answers. Maybe you are a government employee. You are as good at answering my questions as they are.

  • @SHITCAN Dipshit, I have answered your dumbass "Why was the pile hot" question like 8 times.

    How many times do we need to answer your question before you understand the simple answer stoner boy?

  • @jizzmonger No you haven't. You are still avoiding it. I am asking you what the fuel for the fire was that allowed it to burn for 6 weeks. You are painting yourself into a corner. Why not just give me the answer instead of telling me fire=hot.

  • @SHNUCAU "am asking you what the fuel for the fire was that allowed it to burn for 6 weeks."

    The building contents.

    Tough one. LOL

  • @jizzmonger Thanks for posting that. Such a ridiculous hypothesis. The contents of the building burned for more than 6 weeks? Sorry, that is a lie that even people who have never heard of 9-11 can point out. Also, the contents of the building could not reach temperatures hot enough to melt steel, and there is no way that paper, carpet, and furniture would be able to sustain a burn under a pile of rubble.

  • @SHITCAN LOL

    "No tell me, I want to know"

    So you get it explained to you.

    "No that's lies! All lies! I am the smartest person alive! I have investigated building fires and collapses and I am also an expert in the luminous characteristics of aluminum"

    LOL

    Get lost dipshit druggy flunky.

  • @jizzmonger Almost to the bottom of the list of excuses I see. Maybe you can retrieve some more from a government website or an "I believe everything the government tells me" forum. In any case, you have once again failed miserably. You have failed to answer the questions about the Pentagon video. You have failed to answer to the testimony of Norman Mineta, and you have exceedingly failed with your explanation of the molten iron in the basements of WTC 1,2, and 7.

  • @jizzmonger Nothing you have posted has proven me wrong or discredited my pursuit of the truth. Everything that you have posted makes you look like a fool. There is a famous allegory that comes to mind during this discourse. It is called the allegory of the Cave. In it, prisoners are trapped in a subterranean cave. They are shackled and facing a wall. Their restraints do not allow them to see anything other than what is right in front of them.

  • @jizzmonger The only source of light available to them is a fire burning behind them. This fire casts shadows on the wall that they face, and the sounds made be the people moving about behind them, and by other prisoners, are the only sounds they hear. Their reality is very limited. They know nothing of the world that exists behind them or outside the cave. The shackles and the darkness of the cave are symbolic of the ignorance of mankind.

  • @SHNUCAU That is the world in which you live. It is very dark and simplistic world because you are very stupid and comprehend little of what goes on around you.

  • @jizzmonger Correction. That is where I used to live. We all are there at some point. This debate has become boring. You are no longer making ridiculous, irrational excuses to explain impossible, unnatural occurrences. I will take your inability to explain, and your complete avoidance, of my questions as an admission that there is no correct "official" response to any of them. Because you lack the knowledge necessary to answer them as well, you have no basis for your denial.

  • @jizzmonger The world outside the cave, that which is illuminated by the sun, is representative of knowledge, good, and enlightenment. When you are ready to leave the cave and ascend into the world of light and knowledge, I will be glad to assist you. As long as you remain willfully ignorant, you will always be in the darkness of the cave.

  • @jizzmonger Also, my question was not about why the pile was hot. My question was what was fueling the fire.

  • @jizzmonger Until then, I will continue to educate those around me about the coverup, the lies, and the truth about the events leading up to, that happened on, and were the result of 9-11.

  • @SHITCAN "until then, I will espouse fantasies to everyone on youtube because not only am I stupid, I am also very loud"

    Yes that's typical for 911 Truthers. The Truth is whatever fantasy they can come up with to explain things they don't understand.

  • @jizzmonger This comment contradicts the one I made previously. You say the truth is whatever I make up. I stated that the questions being asked have not been answered so the truth has yet to be told. You are missing the point. More precisely, you are avoiding it.

  • brainwashed morons...

  • Nanothermite found in the dust is there for a reason.

    Science tells us it's a high tech explosive.

    Physics tell us it was a controlled demolition.

    AE911truth . o r g

    MilitaryOfficersof911truth . o r g

  • @Jaffsickle And a few seconds on Wikipedia doesn't tell us that it's ever been used in demolitions.

    Nor does any other website.

    Weird that the US gov't apparently has a few spare skyscrapers to test this stuff out on, yet no one's ever written on it.

  • @EGRJ Weird how you are quick to trust your government and the news, instead of doing some research on the facts out there, such as the 1,500+ verified architects and engineers who have been demanding a reinvestigation into 9/11. you can check out the website they support that was created by 9/11 victims family members here: RememberBuilding7 org

    Related websites

    Lawyersfor911Truth org

    FireFightersfor911Truth org

    Scholarsfor911Truth org

    MilitaryOfficersfor911Truth org

    Scientistsfor911Truth org

  • @Jaffsickle You're not actually answering the points I've raised. Nano-thermite, as far as anyone in the public can tell, has never been used for demo, and they would've had to test it.

    It takes weeks to prepare even an empty building for demo, and the tallest ever was 26 stories. Not 47, not 110, just 26. WTC7 alone would almost double the record. Amazing that these explosives weren't damaged by being hit by a jet moving at several hundred MPH, or the following fire. Where did the wiring go?

  • @EGRJ “[T]he red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

    Harrit, Farrer, Jones, Ryan, Legge, Farnsworth, Roberts, Gourley, Larsen, “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe,” Bentham Open Access, 2009. rememberbuilding7 org/downloads/Full_Thermite_pa­per pdf

    RememberBuilding7 org

    AE911Truth org

  • @Jaffsickle Bentham is not a peer-reviewed publication. Still not answering the question of when and how the magical, invisible, invulnerable super-thermite was planted. Where did the wiring/detonators go? Was it NT, explosives, or a mixture of both? If explosives were used, why were they not clearly audible by every person and recording device for a quarter mile around, like just about any demo on YouTube?

    ?v=qk06ax1SRIM

  • @EGRJ Im not sure who or why, that is what an investigation is for. But with facts, such as the US military explosives that have been found in the dust, and the Free fall of WTC7, I can demand a reinvestigation, so I can find the answers to who and why.

    "[T]he red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material"

    rememberbuilding7 org

    ae911truth org

  • @Jaffsickle The explosives reseatch has never been submitted to a peer reviewed paper, or allowed to be tested by anyone else. Scientifically, *it is not credible*. It's the equivalent of playing poker, but never letting the other players see your cards, then saying you have royal flushes all the time.

    There was an investigation. You just won't accept it, and handwave away any impossible or inconvenient facts as things to be uncovered in the new "investigation" you lot hold as your Holy Grail.

  • @EGRJ The scientific paper is a peer reviewed paper that has never been refuted, and has been confirmed by many other independent scientists around the world.

    "[T]he red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material"

    rememberbuilding7 org/downloads/Full_Thermite_pa­­per pdf

    AE911Truth org

    Scientistsfor911Truth org

    Peer reviewed paper > your opinion

  • @Jaffsickle Okay.

    Bentham is not a PR publication.

    What else was the paper published in, and which issue? What other scientists peer-reviewed it? I mean mainstream or independent scientists or papers, not, for instance, The Journal for 911 Studies, which is obviously not unbiased. I don't think any paper that prints Judy Wood's "space beams" rot with a straight face can claim to be so.

  • @EGRJ The scientific paper is a peer reviewed paper that has never been refuted, and has been confirmed by many other independent scientists around the world.

    "[T]he red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material"

    rememberbuilding7 org/downloads/Full_Thermite_pa­­­per pdf

    You denying its real is what they want you to do. Wake up from the trance

  • @Jaffsickle You have not named a single scientist. Bentham isn't peer-reviewed. In fact, they don't even check their sources.

    bit ly/mUdZam

    That's not even a debunker website. That's 911blogger, which admits it was a serious blow to the movement. And more from the people pulling the trick;

    bit ly/kEGZo

    If they can't even detect a nonsense computer-generated paper from people who don't exist claiming to be from an institute that doesn't exist, that basically puts their credibility at zero.

  • @EGRJ You can verify the 1,500 Architects and Engineers here AE911Truth org by checking their License Numbers, Degrees, and Names on the petition.

    Denying the nanothermite as not peer reviewed because you can't handle the fact that 9/11 was an inside job is very naive. the 2nd incident in the gulf of tonkin never happened and that incident was what started ground war in Vietnam. we lost 58000 of our own soldiers over that lie, and our govt has admitted themselves, that it was staged Wake up

  • @Jaffsickle There are over one million As and Es in the US alone, even more if you include people worldwide and the retired, which AE911 does. That's worse than 1/1000. Like just about everything Truthers say, it only looks credible if you take it out of context.

    Similarly, Bentham *says* they're peer reviewed, yet are willing to post a paper that is complete nonsense the second someone pays for it. That's like a Doctor who will prescribe Prozac for anyone who slips him a little somethin'.

  • @Jaffsickle Also, Poisoning the Well. Just because the gov't (from almost 50 years ago) lied about one thing does not necessarily mean that something else another government does is a lie. If that were true, we would never be able to trust anyone, because everyone lies.

  • @EGRJ So we should question our government whenever we can, because if the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag attack that ended up killing 58,000 of our troops, imagine what else they would do.

    Operation Northwoods? google it

    Able Danger? google it

    Now if we want to question our government, why is that so wrong now a days? There's US military explosives in the 9/11 dust. MilitaryOfficersfor911Truth org

    There's Free Fall in WTC7-this can only be achieved in demolitions. AE911Truth org

    Wake up

  • @Jaffsickle I don't see anything wrong with questioning, but if you go looking for new results because you don't like the ones the evidence supports, and are willing to ignore or cherry-pick facts, you're not being intellectually honest.

    Bottom line: Any version of the conspiracy is too complicated to have even been set up undiscovered, much less executed. Anyone dumb enough to even try such a risky plan would not be smart enough to pull it off properly.

    Good day.

  • @Jaffsickle Oh, and only part of WTC 7 was at FREE FALL ACCELERATION, not free-fall, and only for part of its descent. Truthers like to omit those three very important qualifiers, and pretend that the East Penthouse doesn't count as part of the "symmetrical" collapse.

    No explosives have been found which have been published in a peer-reviewed paper, or submitted to independent (non gov't, not Truther) testing.

  • @EGRJ According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75s and t = 4.0s [a period of 2.25 seconds].”

    p.45 wtc.nist gov/NCSTAR1/

    Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall. The absolute free fall of Building 7 over a period of 2.25 seconds is by itself overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring it down.

    Wake up

  • @Jaffsickle You seemed to have mixed the context of the quoted portion, which refers to the "North Face"(the outside of the building), and points out that the FFA period was the second of three. The 1st and 3rd were both slower than FFA.

    Good job quote-mining, though. If someone you were talking to hadn't actually read the report, they might be fooled. If the FF time for 7 was 6/7 secs, how could it fall in just 2.25?

  • @Jaffsickle "Only explosives can instantaneously remove 8 stories allowing the upper structure to accelerate downwards in free fall."

    The facade columns are readily visible in videos and photos of the collapse. Claiming they were blown up or melted is a bit retarded since such an event would be readily visible on the several videos of the collapse.

    Then again lets see if you actually read. LOL

    What explanation did NIST give for the 2.2 seconds of freefall of the facade mid-collapse?

  • @Jaffsickle I see, so Gulf of Tonkin and "Operation Northwoods" should have been mentioned in the NIST report. LOL

    You emotional males kill me.

    Facts don't matter, only your "feelings" and thus any totally unrelated anecdote somehow makes your fantasies become reality.

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  • @Jaffsickle Awe, come on. Don't be a chicken shit. Post your cut-and-paste for all to see so that we can see you are nothing more than a random phrase generator. LOL

  • Oh dear oh dear. The debate was a farce as Thomas' knowledge of physics was a joke.

    30Gs? Impossible from stationary through the distance of one floor, it was not a series of freefalls as there was solid resistance in between floors. The top section's momentum was absorbed by disintegration, a cohesive mass is required to demolish floors. Acceleration is impossible as the resistance would slow it down.

    Freefall means all columns were cut simultaneously, PERIOD.

  • @pixarian72 Thomas also could not explain the microspheres, he stuttered, blathered and panicked because he could not explain the temperatures required, hilarious!

    A column could not fail to the extent to cause the core to collapse especially as the fires were small and sporadic and thermal conduction would prevent heat buildup anyway. Even if it could the perimeter columns would have to be simultaneously removed, floor by floor. Also it was 6 and a half seconds not 16 THOMAS IS A LIAR.

  • @pixarian72 "Iron Microspheres".

    ZOMG!

    You mean like those produced during welding?

  • @jizzmonger How could WTC7 freefall for 2.25 seconds without controlled demolition?

    8 stories giving NO resistance

    8 stories showing the resistance of AIR

    8 stories of NO core columns, NO support beams, just PURE FREE FALL

    This cannot be achieved unless those 8 stories were removed with demolition

    This is not a fact you want to accept, because you believe Faux News instead

    Well I choose Isaac Newton over my Govt.

    Scientistsfor911Truth org

    AE911Truth org

    MilitaryOfficersfor911truth org

  • @Jaffsickle Why don't you look at WTC 7 video that NIST has posted on here for your answer?

    Oh wait I see. You are stupid and do not understand theirfore whatever fantasy you insert to explain it to yourself must be true.

    Religious believers do the same thing.

  • @jizzmonger According to NIST, “This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].”

    Free Fall for 8 stories = 8 stories giving resistance of AIR

    8 stories of air in a steel highrise = only can be achieved with controlled demolition.

    scientistsfor911truth org

    militaryofficersfor911truth org

    lawyersfor911truth org

    scholarsfor911truth org

    pilotsfor911truth org

    ae911truth org

  • @Jaffsickle "Freefall for 8 stories"

    The exterior framing fell at "freefall acceleration" for 2.2 seconds during the middle portion of it's collapse.

    Why is this signifigant?

  • @jizzmonger how can core columns and support beams be removed for free fall to be achieved? Demolition can only do this, not fire.

    This is a fact that you want to brush off, some how saying the "exterior framing only free fell".

    Free fall in any shape cannot be achieved in WTC7 unless 8 stories of that building where not there, allowing for it to achieve free fall for 2.25 seconds into its own foot print.

    RememberBuilding7 org

  • @Jaffsickle "how can core columns and support beams be removed for free fall to be achieved?"

    The core of the building already fell before the freefall of the facade (exterior framing) ocurred so it sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Then again I already knew that since that is the only way one can be a 911 Truther.

    "Free fall in any shape cannot be achieved in WTC7 unless 8 stories of that building where not there"

    LOL

  • @pixarian72 I like how Gage keeps saying *the guy he's talking to* said things he didn't, and it's the other guy you're calling a liar.

  • @pixarian72 Bull shit. I didn't hear him stutter. I heard Cage lie and bull shit about how they agreed - they did not, and Thomas made that clear. Cage is a liar and self-promoter.

  • @pixarian72 LOL

  • @pixarian72 A load of bull shit.

  • Continuing to distort the many discoveries surrounding 9/11 truths only serves me to question why you would do such a thing. Is it that you can't see or do you refuse to see -- either case the truth prevails without you. I say this without name calling or abusive language as I too once upon a time couldn't see -- but in my case I allowed truth to seep in and soon found myself fully awake. 9/11 was definitely an inside job. An honest and full investigation is certainly required.

  • WTC7 was hit by one of the tallest buildings in the world.

    ROFLMAO

    If that were the case shouldn't there be a lot of photographic evidence of damage to the building on the side that was facing WTC1? Didn't WTC7 stay up long enough for plenty of pictures to be taken? I don't see much damage even in the pictures during the collapse.

    You people are really SCIENTIFIC!

  • Grandmaster Troll just goes to all these videos and writes fake stuff ... gotta be lonely being an internet spook

  • I've listened to the whole thing on coast to coast. Thermite was found. Molten steel was found. (btw, molten aluminum is not orange or yellow. It stays the same silver color) It is well documented. You really need to be prepared if you're going on national radio. That means do some research instead of pulling things out of your ass to push your agenda. One last thing, boy am I glad I did not take your physics course Davey!

  • Please just kill yourself for the sake of humanity

  • @yetaca Another truther hinting at the 9/11 Truth final solution.

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