Don't clear a horseshoe are you mad? So with PLENTYof altitude he should have deployed his reserve into that mess? That could lead to a double mal and death easily. Umm you need to study your SIM again if you are even a serious skydiver. If you are not remember this....a closed mouth gathers no foot.
I think Buckeye was the guy on that one video who cut away his main before he had even pitched.. Woulda cut away his reserve but ran out of handles... XD
Just a thought, but does that really count as a true horseshoe malfunction? Isn't it really just a premature (out-of-sequence) deployment caused by an unsecured closing loop? The problem is that the pilot chute is still in its pocket, there's no horseshoe "entanglement." All the jumper had to do was throw the pilot chute to solve the problem. Isn't it really a different situation than a horseshoe?
One form of a horseshoe does include a premature container opening just like this. The proper EP is to pull, then deal with whatever happens next, which is often another malfunction, due to the spinning bag and pilot chute as it lingers above the jumper.
I can agree with that. The reason for my comment had to do with some of the comments below like, "never try to clear a horseshoe." Putting this malfunction in the same category as a horseshoe entanglement could be counter-productive as the object would be to identlfy the real problem and throw the pilot chute instead of just cutting away.
i disagree. he probably should have reacted faster than he did, but he still made a good decision. He had plenty of altitude to deal with the problem. If throwing his pilot chute didn't fix the problem then he could have cutwaway and gone to reserve. Never try to clear a horseshoe? If you have altitude on your side then i would definitely try to clear it before just cutting away and possibly making things worse for yourself
A "horseshoe" describes a malfunction where a parachute deploys but remains attached to a skydiver by its risers and one other point. This prevents the canopy from opening, and the canopy and lines form a horseshoe shape extending from the risers up and then back down again to the other point where the parachute remains attached to or entangled with the skydiver.
Hey guys. I'm only on jump 17 so this might seem like kind a dumb question but in a situation like this would you be able to feel the dbag jerking around or can you really only know if you see it?
In all likely hood you would know something was "wrong" but probably couldn't identify it. In this video you can see Mike messing with his risers that are flapping around. Mike was getting the pull signal from the cameraman.
@2wheeljunkie.. no dumb questions, but there certainly is bad instruction (buckeyefan24... no offense dude). Altitude dictates procedure... he had plenty to try and clear the pc or even an entanglement. To me the HS mal is the most dangerous because cutting away may make things worse (RSL), but dealing with it with minimal altitude can also kill you. The best way to deal with a HS is to prevent them and KNOW your EP's. I thought this guy did great! Blues
Hey all, had my first horseshoe today... bout 4 hours ago. I wasn't quite as lucky, The main opened up all nasty... had to dump it and pop my first ever reserve... In retrospect, I might have been able to work the main. The pod fell out around 7000 and was hanging from a tangled main by 5500, had lots of time left. But, the adrenaline from a first ever malfunction is pretty intense. Managed to hang onto the handles and watch where the main and reserve parts drifted to though. :D
got my AFF course in two weeks... thought i'd just have a search to find a few 'skydives gone bad'... not so sure i should have done... there's far too many on here for my liking!!! reassurance please??!!!
Nope, everything opened up quite. If you watch it, the bag twisted up, then twisted back down. I threw the pilot chute right when everything was all straight.
That's the stuff that scares me.. NO pin checks and someone knocks the HorStab off the plane. I personally won't fly with a load unless it's done. You truly dodged a bullet.. or the tail of the plane should I say.
That's probably the easiest dz to find from altitude...there's nothing else around! Where is this?
05061977ab 7 months ago
Thats a long way down :D
roykuh117 11 months ago
lol, hope he got a newspaper for the way down haha :P probably some linetwists too :D
Sendar12 1 year ago 4
This would be no timle to go to the bathroom.
arnoldnorrena 1 year ago
Thats what you get for doing RW.
hookitbigger 1 year ago
HAHAHA It's like everyone, even the vidiot said "fuck em" we'll do our own thing.
texNoz 1 year ago
Can anyone say line twist? I'm going to guess he had about 20. hahaha
stepheng101 1 year ago
Don't clear a horseshoe are you mad? So with PLENTYof altitude he should have deployed his reserve into that mess? That could lead to a double mal and death easily. Umm you need to study your SIM again if you are even a serious skydiver. If you are not remember this....a closed mouth gathers no foot.
combatvet2003 1 year ago
@combatvet2003
WELL SAID!!!
I think Buckeye was the guy on that one video who cut away his main before he had even pitched.. Woulda cut away his reserve but ran out of handles... XD
texNoz 1 year ago
Just a thought, but does that really count as a true horseshoe malfunction? Isn't it really just a premature (out-of-sequence) deployment caused by an unsecured closing loop? The problem is that the pilot chute is still in its pocket, there's no horseshoe "entanglement." All the jumper had to do was throw the pilot chute to solve the problem. Isn't it really a different situation than a horseshoe?
nocalsteve 2 years ago
One form of a horseshoe does include a premature container opening just like this. The proper EP is to pull, then deal with whatever happens next, which is often another malfunction, due to the spinning bag and pilot chute as it lingers above the jumper.
ScuttleProductions 2 years ago
I can agree with that. The reason for my comment had to do with some of the comments below like, "never try to clear a horseshoe." Putting this malfunction in the same category as a horseshoe entanglement could be counter-productive as the object would be to identlfy the real problem and throw the pilot chute instead of just cutting away.
nocalsteve 2 years ago
I skydive. a horseshoe is one of the most dangerous malfunctions. I have had friends say they didn't even feel it. I am glad the guys ok.
guitarforfree 2 years ago
He should have cut the horseshoe away immediatley. You should never try and clear a horseshoe malfunction.
TheBuckeyefan24 2 years ago
i disagree. he probably should have reacted faster than he did, but he still made a good decision. He had plenty of altitude to deal with the problem. If throwing his pilot chute didn't fix the problem then he could have cutwaway and gone to reserve. Never try to clear a horseshoe? If you have altitude on your side then i would definitely try to clear it before just cutting away and possibly making things worse for yourself
nzskydive 2 years ago 11
There was a PTWOB sticker right next to the door : )
dyce189 2 years ago
guys can u explain what's the exact situation .. I mean wat does Horseshoe means?
karlesokarleso 2 years ago
A "horseshoe" describes a malfunction where a parachute deploys but remains attached to a skydiver by its risers and one other point. This prevents the canopy from opening, and the canopy and lines form a horseshoe shape extending from the risers up and then back down again to the other point where the parachute remains attached to or entangled with the skydiver.
JuiceBanger1 2 years ago 2
thanx alot dude
karlesokarleso 2 years ago
lucky the guy with horse shoe had enough altitude to work with.. low alt that could of been bad. just my $0.02
Kopihucky 2 years ago
is that O88?
bastianshaw 2 years ago
wow 4 way flat!!! you guys are awesome
TIEBT01 2 years ago
Somebody had a damn long ride down under canopy. Better than the alternative I suppose!
doobedoo22 3 years ago 2
low pull =P
yesturtle 3 years ago
Hey guys. I'm only on jump 17 so this might seem like kind a dumb question but in a situation like this would you be able to feel the dbag jerking around or can you really only know if you see it?
t0winthiswar 3 years ago 2
In all likely hood you would know something was "wrong" but probably couldn't identify it. In this video you can see Mike messing with his risers that are flapping around. Mike was getting the pull signal from the cameraman.
jacketsdb23 3 years ago
Oh ok thanks for the info.
t0winthiswar 3 years ago
I don't think there are any dumb questions in this sport.=)
2wheeljunkie 2 years ago 14
@2wheeljunkie.. no dumb questions, but there certainly is bad instruction (buckeyefan24... no offense dude). Altitude dictates procedure... he had plenty to try and clear the pc or even an entanglement. To me the HS mal is the most dangerous because cutting away may make things worse (RSL), but dealing with it with minimal altitude can also kill you. The best way to deal with a HS is to prevent them and KNOW your EP's. I thought this guy did great! Blues
sunsetdawn140 1 year ago
At least ya'll got a nice 4-way after he deployed!! What's the band and song title in this video?
ryandsucks 3 years ago
Descendents - "This Place"
imficus 3 years ago
Hey all, had my first horseshoe today... bout 4 hours ago. I wasn't quite as lucky, The main opened up all nasty... had to dump it and pop my first ever reserve... In retrospect, I might have been able to work the main. The pod fell out around 7000 and was hanging from a tangled main by 5500, had lots of time left. But, the adrenaline from a first ever malfunction is pretty intense. Managed to hang onto the handles and watch where the main and reserve parts drifted to though. :D
Brilejr 3 years ago
good thing you posted it. But yeah going up without a gearcheck and knowing your loop is too long...well...
ralphsensei 3 years ago
Pilot chute in tow? or a horseshoe mal.?
98cowboy 4 years ago
got my AFF course in two weeks... thought i'd just have a search to find a few 'skydives gone bad'... not so sure i should have done... there's far too many on here for my liking!!! reassurance please??!!!
simonandrewfisk 4 years ago
I have to admit. The root of the problem was that my closing loop was to long.
it would have been solved if I had shorten it, or if I had gotten a gear check on the ground, or on the plane.
Long story short, these things are easy to prevent. I got lazy.
spamguy1 4 years ago
waw!!!!
climbersan 4 years ago
So did they end up cutting away?
skirider83 4 years ago
Nope, everything opened up quite. If you watch it, the bag twisted up, then twisted back down. I threw the pilot chute right when everything was all straight.
I got lucky.
spamguy1 4 years ago
That's the stuff that scares me.. NO pin checks and someone knocks the HorStab off the plane. I personally won't fly with a load unless it's done. You truly dodged a bullet.. or the tail of the plane should I say.
texNoz 4 years ago