All this video does is reaffirm that Dr Wakeffield's theories are correct. By merely looking for flaws in a legal paper / presentation is the way you exhibit your case. Research trials are usually run by the dictates of the person paying for them. I.E even health authorities or rather a very scared of litigation B.M.A. Dr Wakefields comment ''That the SPONSORING AGENCY for disease control...had INSTRUCTED the I.O.M.(Institute Of Medicine) to come to a NEGATIVE FINDING.
All the suggestions you make on this video against Dr Wakefield just point to me a Dr who was generous and, like many, seeking sponsorship for his research without which he cannot continue, the money was not for personal gain. IT WAS FOR HONEST RESEARCH People may need to look at at this video of one member of the government presenting the case. To view it see youtube........... The Cover-Up Ctte Gov Rfrm Investigate-Mercury/Vaccine/Autism
*GOOGLE: " Mercury In The Medicine Taking Necessary Risks" A Report Prepared by The Staff Of The Subcommitte On Reform United States House Of Representatives Chairman Dan Burton May 2003~
I continue to offer this yet unsatisfied challenge: provide *one* piece of scientific evidence DIRECTLY linking vaccines to autism. In the time since the release of this video NOT one individual has done so. Thank you.
Did you know that Rupert Murdoch's son James Murdoch, who manages the UK paper Sunday Times, is on the board of GlaxoSmithKLine? Sir Nigel Davis, the High Court judge that denied parents of children treated by Dr. Wakefield the right to have their claims against vaccine manufacturers heard in a real court? Davis' brother, who is an executive board member of Elsevier, the group that publishes the Lancet, is also on the board of GlaxoSmithKline. EthanHuff at NaturalNews*cm.
I will not, and do not give my children shots. My second son has problems because I did give him the shots. We have also had the measles and it really was not that bad they all lived through it with no complications and now we have natural immunity.
anyone who doesn't want to vaccinate children, just simply doesn't understand how vaccines work. Its a shame if you don't want to learn or understand either, especially if you end up threatening the health and lives of children as a results
@happy792 .... "(like scores of children used to before vaccines)"... you're making an incorrect assumption there: the past 100 years has seen a vast improvement in nutrition, hygiene and sanitation. Hey, we even developed the germ theory in this time! Consequently the diseases which medical errrr.... 'professionals' vaccinate against today had been disappeared by 99.5% before the introduction of the for-profit jab!
Enter "greg beattie graphs" into google-images and the stats are there!
The U.S. Department of Justice has handed down an indictment against a former CDC scientist who led research studies that claimed to disprove any link between vaccines and autism.According to government documents, Dr. Poul Thorsen, one of the key researchers in "disproving" any link between vaccines and autism, allegedly defrauded the scientific research community of over one million dollars. See NaturalNews*cm
"Carcinogenicity - we have done no testing for the carcinogenicity of MF59 adjuvant or any of our vaccines. We haven't done it and we don't plan to." Dr. Novicki, Scientist for Novartis
BritishMedicalJournal& The Lancet wedded to Merck CME partnership. wwwdotahrpdotorg/cms/content/view/766/9/Why did the BMJ fail to disclose its partnership agreement with Merck, major vaccine manufacturer--13 vaccines, including the controversial MMR vaccineIs?
'Nice to see some folk care! It's seems this video has focused more attention on the dangers of vaccines - great!
Anecdotally, I met a couple recently and their boy (23) has experienced epileptic fits since what his mother called the 'triple antigen' aged three! The family do NOT label or drug their boy for his apparent Asperger's-like condition, but I was shocked that other friends and relatives described the parents as being 'in denial' about the boy being 'retarded'. What awful labelling!
First off, I came back here to reply to the comment sent me below and I am not happy with amiriliano who has uploaded part of my comment above but has failed to put my response to it which can be found if you scroll to the next page.....
Secondly, I would like to point out that I am not part of ANY anti-vax nor religious group, I stat this is because I believe that some early vaccines are important e.g. DIP/HIB etc when babies but not ALL vaccines are necessary and that in my opinion is a FACT!
I got the MMR vaccine it's all the doctors fault they shouldn't do this to me I hope they get sued because I have to live with this autism my parents weren't born with it but I was vaccined with it and I don't understand why some kids didn't get the MMR vaccine why didn't the doctor inform people about this really it just ticks my patience
A study in 1986 proved the link between vaccines and autism, but for thousands of hapless parents, the lie that vaccines do not cause autism is a bitter betrayal. There are other vectors, but vaccines are the major ones. My son abruptly quit speaking altogether days after a rubella vaccine. He gradually recovered, until a nosedive 4 years later, directly following a mumps vaccine. He recovered partially until 8 years later when he received the MMR. He's spoken barely a word 9 years since.
The information in this video is incorrect. Finland never made the study. The Denmark study was so full of flaws in it's interpretation that it does not say what these people purport it to say nor what the officials and the industry claim it says. Measles used to be a common childhood disease in Norway back in the 60's and 70's and I have never heard of any danger of epidemic deaths as a result of measles, mumps or rubella in Norway in my lifetime nor in any of the post war or 1900's overall
It will give people a true Doctor's response on the matter not this propaganda shit here!
The thing is the studies (so far) are not good enough to show that some vaccines do NOT cause harm.
The picture of the kid with measles - harsh - I've seen a child with measles in real life and the kid was fine after a week and now they have life long natural immunity (paracetamol, water and a close eye was all that was needed).
@VirtutiShell Why don't you provide one or more or any pieces of proof that vaccines DO cause autism? Anything...just one good example will do.
As for measles...it's a good thing we won't be using your advice based on your own anectdotal evidence of ONE child. Measles causes a death for every thousand children infected, not to mention complications and hospitalizations...we wouldn't want to just kill children when the disease can be easily prevented based on your advice.
@amiriliano Until they find the gene to prove autism is genetic it is hard to prove or disprove that environmental triggers (including vaccines) are responsible or not - so you are correct but as I said it is the same as saying prove that vaccines do NOT cause harm - I wonder what the stats are between the death rate for measles Vs autism rate now?
And it wasn't just ONE child I was referring to (that one was recently) I was referring to the 70's - many parents dealt with it & wasn't that bad.
@mikestevens606 Yes it is true that certain groups involved in ALL of this have a vested interest e.g. big pharma groups are pushing the Flu vax because of the surplus from the so called 'bird flu' days and yet flu is no worse (in the UK) than it ever has been - its propaganda at its worst. Us mere mortals (general public) have to try to unravel it - to find the truth.
At the end of the day I cannot recall all Dr Yazbak's work unless I go back over all the research I did 4mths ago but......
@mikestevens606 ....Yes Dr Yazbak does have an autistic relative, it was one of his reasons to research it and sadly money gets involved.
Also, some do have an adverse reaction to a vaccine, I knew someone that had an updated booster to Hep B and went into (unexpected) anaphylactic shock - it happens.
But, not ALL parents are ALL wrong; autistic signs develop at around the age of 2 so they brought down the age to have vaccine - what does that say? It tells me an independent study is required.
@abby495 As you have only read one of my responses & have failed to read others - you wouldn't know that I am not anti-vaccines (only some of them!) so firstly I agree with Polio vaccine & with the single Rubella & I'm pretty sure Smallpox has been wiped out (at present), possibly due to the vax, I say possibly as some viruses wipe themselves out naturally - Some vax are important but not all. A child's temperature+fluids are key to recovery - Fact. And, stay out of light with measles/rubella.
Wakefield's name has been struck of the medical record. He did harm he is a disgrace to the field of medicine and should be shot. Many children will now suffer because of his lies and shoddy research. People are unable to read English if so they would have determined the kids exhibited sympotoms of PDD before they get the vaccines. So epic fail your kids will f*cking die congratulations ignorant folks.
The most important data those kids didn't even have autism. LOL But that's what happens when idiots listen to Jennie McCartney and believe what celebrities say more than science. I know someone who hasn't vaccinated their 2nd kid since vaccinating kid #1 led to his autism. He doesn't have autism he just needed his mom to blow his nose. His mom suffers from mental disorders also she never procured a diagnosis from a Doctor. Perhaps she fancies herself to be a doctor. How horrible to be a child.
Man disabled by MMR vaccine awarded £90,000 after 13-year fight
A man who suffered severe brain damage after being given the MMR vaccine as a baby has been awarded £90,000 in a landmark ruling expected to pave the way for thousands of similar compensation claims.
Read more at:w w w . telegraph . co .uk/health/healthnews/7970315/Man-disabled-by-MMR-vaccine-awarded-90000-after-13-year-fight.html
Toxoids... not 'ooxins'. The NINE toxoids kids get in one session in both the UK and US are: Measles Mumps Rubella Diphtheria Pertussis Tetanus HiB Polio Varicella
Gee... this YouTube comment software can be really tetchy... I had actually left an additional comment. Sadly, the software missed it, and you've opened your phucking trap again!
So, to reiterate (verbatim):
Now you've fessed-up that you do jabs (or pretend to), I feel little more than utter condescension towards you.
You are one of these blind, as-I-call - 'desciples of the church of medicine' alas - a foolish zealot!
I called you a gutless plonker to troll you into responding... obviously I succeeded - you Chav cunt!
To clarify... unlike Wakefield, I am 100% against all vaccination. Yes, that's right... I think anyone who bestow's upon themselves the sovereign authority to inoculate months old infantss with as many as NINE toxoids in one session is blinded by severe, biased arrogance!
Most vaccines had the mercury removed because it damages neurons, as does it's replacement - aluminium!
@amiriliano There have been many studies which show that both mercury and aluminum are neurotoxins and it is a fact that the levels of these toxins present in vaccines exceed the amounts the FDA deems safe levels for children, let alone infants (in some instances, higher than safe levels for adults)
The onus in of proof rests not with a population with legitmate concerns about vaccine safety but rather with the pharmecuetical companies & the FDA to provide proper studies showing their safety
Amiriliano, you're not a 'we'... you must own you own opinion, mine is that you flick has bad grammar and is loaded with shallow, emotive nonsense!
I reflected by saying that I'm reading 'Silenced Witnesses Vol. 2' - a very well written book by the parents of Wakefield's patiients.
The footage made by Calgary University showing the devasating effects of mercury on brain tissue is NOT two kids dancing in their bedroom to Barbie Girl - it's actual research!
Hey Amiriliano, this is your post... your thread... your words - where have you gone? Surely a simple yes or no question as to whether you've seen a particular flick (youtube.com/watch?v=N064Gp1r_98) couldn't flummox and intelectual giant like yourself? You gutless plonker!
@rangumai "gutless plonker"..now THAT may be the best insult seen here. What exactly is a "plonker"? I love British insults!! Despite the fact that you're acting with very little respect, I will answer your questions. I have been busy at work, seeing patients and getting them vaccinated.
@rangumai (continued) To answer your question, yes I have seen the CU's video...many times. In fact, if you take the time to look through the comments, I'm sure you'll find a few other references to it. First, we don't make public health decisions based on youtube videos.
@rangumai (continued #2) Second, that video is showing you what happens when you exposed a nueron IN VITRO (in the dish) to mercury. You cannot extrapolate that to a population at all. To find out the effects of a substance in the population, you have to perform what are called epidemiological studies. Those have been done extensively in Canada, Denmark and several other countries, encompassing 100's of thosands of children
@rangumai (continued #3) The rate of autism was equal in groups who had received Thimerosal compared with those who had not. Third, Thimerosal is a substance called "ethyl mercury". The CU video is showing you "methyl mercury", which although to lay ears may sound the same, they are very very different. Ethyl mercury has been shown to excrete from infant bodies much more quickly, preventing accumulation.
@rangumai (continued #4) Lastly, there has been no Thimerosal given in vaccines for years (except one type of flu jab) and the rate of autistic spectrum disorders has only increased. So...that's the story with the CU video.
@amiriliano That's actually not true. While thimerosal free vaccines have been formulated, many doctor's offices & public health facilities do not carry the mercruy free vaccines as they are more expensive. If a parent is not aware of this & does not specifically ask, their child may be receiving the mercury based vaccines. As well, there are NO mercury free Hep B, Diptheria or tetanus vaccines and more then one flu shot contains mercury.....and nevermind the aluminum levels..
It took the author of this video (Amiriliano) two hours to be the Spelling Police when both laziness and astigmatism let me down.
Asked a direct, on-topic yes-or-no question about having viewed Calgary University's documenting of mercury damage, how long with he/she take to respond? - of course, with a 'yes' or a 'no', as the question dictates!
And for UK folk.. isn't it rather telling that after Wakefield's Lancet paper, mercury was quietly removed from virtually all vaccines?
@rangumai Well...I was hoping you would have some sense of humor...but let's get down to business:
Looks like you're making some pretty strong claims regarding vaccines. Would you please be so kind as to provide ANY scientific proof (a study...not cells in a dish)that proves vaccines cause harm.
...hey, where's my yes or no answer - did you see that vid from Calgary University, and what's your opinion on it's contents? It empirically shows that mercury nee thimerosal, a.k.a. thiomersal destroys brain neurons!
You succeeded in changing the subject accusing me of 'making some pretty strong claims' and ' let's get down to business'-type bullying, but really... a more-informed response might have to mention that Wakefield (oddly) never joined the anti-thimerosal camp! - you Twat!
Question: (and this is a Yes or No answer) have you watched this video youtube.com/watch?v=N064Gp1r_98 where the effects of mercury on Brain tissue is demonstrated?
Didn't have my specs on, sorry! Spelling mistake are 'typos' - they're unintentional, poor grammar indicates no-proof reading or just bad grammar!
Yes, Silenced Witnesses Vol.2 is a book compiled by the parents of the kids involved in Andrew Wakefield's research - none of whom have ever complained to the GMC, and who, to this day, continue to support him! That's opinion close to the core of this debacle, opinion well worth reading!
What's you real opinion on the Naill Dickson equation?
Everything is worth reading...but at the end of the day...the science is the science and everything else is speculation. Of course they support him..they were litigants in the case he was being paid to "research". Move on...this guy is just a determent to you.
It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
His "conflict of interest" should be added to point (2) "nine months before he said this, he had patented his own single measles vaccine". Wakefield's scam is revealed by Australian's Broadcasting Commission Just google these thrree words: rear vision wakefield
@heatherroses Pharmaceuticals could just as easily make money from treating MMR as they could preventing it. But Wakefield actually sood to make money if he could turn people onto single shot vaccines since he had patented his own for measles.
my \/ key has stopped working so excuse me if no show up.
I don't know about you, but I got solid proof from home moies and medical record data that my son got autisum from his accines, een if this is bullshit, this still does not know that other \/accines are safe!
@i6hate6stupid6people well their is no test cases done about wether they work or not (for obvious reasons)the research is not their because it wouldn't benefit to know how/why they work??
"Vaccines work" is a blanket statement cover story unless you can show any serious studies non bias/research my thoughts would be realistic/dubious toward that statement
Small pox was killing 2 million people a year in 1959, yet 20 years later was declared globally eradicated because of intensive vaccinations. So yes, there are plenty of studies showing vaccines work.
@i6hate6stupid6people thats not a study thats a blanket statement I bet not everyone died of small pox because they never tested them all seriously you need too research a lot harder than just reading what someone else declares and look at every underlying issues involved
The method of injecting someone with a dead/somewhat live virus in order to build immunity toward that particular virus is well-studied and well-substantiated. Vaccines are the single greatest medical discovery of the last 100 years.
Uh, the fact that small pox was killing 2 million people a year in 1959 isn't "biased or interpreted"... Nor is the fact that it was globally eradicated in 1979 BECAUSE OF VACCINATIONS. The WHO spent $2.4 million a year from 67'-79' on a worldwide outbreak search and VACCINATION program. Do you honestly think humans just magically gained immunity from what was then considered the world's deadliest disease in those 20 years?
Or how about the FACT that Polio cases were in the hundreds of thousands until the WHO and UNICEF targeted it for eradication through VACCINATIONS in 1988, bringing cases down to around one thousand? Vaccines were discovered more than 200 years old and their mechanism is well proven. They are NOT 100% effective, but neither are pain killers or cough medicine. Sorry, but you can't argue against the effectiveness of vaccines, no matter how much you spew your "science is biased" bullshit.
the numbers have been decreasing before mass vaccinations from what I have researched
your figures sound interesting but where do you get your info from?
well science is not biased but peoples interpretations of science is , opinion becomes fact instead of the other way around
did you know they get more money pharmaceutical companies for vaccinations so there studies will be based on the all mighty dollar first and the science is secondary
Of course sanitation, clean drinking water, etc. have helped in the decline of certain diseases. What do you mean do I know if those 2 million were treated? How can they be treated when they're DEAD? Smallpox vaccination began way before 1959 (some states required vacc. as far back as the 1840s), so of course numbers were in decline but only in the industrialized world. It wasn't until the WHO began a concerted effort to eradicate smallpox in 67' that the number of people dying (which was
at 2 million a year in 59') drastically declined, to the point that smallpox was declared globally eradicated. Hmmm, now if vaccines supposedly do not work as you are suggesting, why would states such as Massachusetts make smallpox vaccination mandatory as far back as 1840? Certainly the pharmaceutical industry was nowhere near as powerful then as it is now, am I correct? I got my numbers through a simple Google search. You realize nothing you have said so far falsifies the efficacy of vaccines,
"The mission of the WHO Department of Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals is the attainment of a world in which all people at risk are protected against vaccine-preventable diseases."
Measles cases in 1958 were around 760,000 per year in the U.S. Through intensive VACCINATIONS, that number dropped to around 150 cases per year from 1997 onward. In 2008, there were 64 cases of measles in the U.S.; 63 of those individuals had never been vaccinated. These numbers aren't subject to interpretation of bias, they are pure scientific fact. You obviously no nothing about the human immune system, do you? Oh well, keep living in a cave buddy.
"Vaccines have proven extremely effective in controlling and even eradicating some major childhood diseases. Indeed, smallpox - a severe and often fatal disease which used to be common among children - has been entirely wiped out by worldwide immunization...
Generally, vaccines are safe and very effective. In my mind, the benefits of immunization far outweigh any risks. The bottom line is that I believe that vaccines are safe and necessary."
~Paul Roumeliotis, MD, Eastern Ontario Health Unit
"The best way to reduce vaccine-preventable diseases is to have a highly immune population. Universal vaccination is a critical part of quality health care and should be accomplished through routine and intensive vaccination programs implemented in physicians offices and in public health clinics. Programs should be established and maintained in all communities to ensure vaccination of all children at the recommended age..."
"For viral illnesses such as polio and measles, we do not have antibiotics, and therefore, the vaccine is absolutely essential...
[O]ur citizens need to understand that the vaccine program has been extremely successful. Its the most effective public health program in the history of man, and we cannot let down our guard just because weve done such a good job. We must continue to protect our children and protect our population..."
~David Tayloe, fmr president of American Academy of Pediatrics
They're speaking of the smallpox vaccine there. Not merely all vaccines. And why do they feel the smallpox vaccine is not warranted? Because smallpox has been eliminated from the population. Why? Because of vaccines!
They were weighing the benefits of vaccinating the population against smallpox in case terrorists used it as a weapon.
They are NOT saying that vaccines, in general, are not warranted.
WTF does that mean? Did you read it on some anti-vax site that conveniently forgot to mention that they were talking solely about a smallpox vaccination in case of a terrorist attack, or did you see for yourself what they were talking about, and butchered it yourself to fit your agenda?
So you saw the context in which it was given, understood that it was pertaining only to the smallpox vaccine in relation to terrorist attacks, and then knowingly butchered the quote to suit your agenda, and relied on the gullibility of the general population to just take your word for it?
Congratulations!!! You're just like every other half-witted anti-vaxer out there, who is responsible for the deaths of children from a resurgence of diseases like measles, due to your idiotic fearmongering.
Don't these people just annoy the fuck out of you? This dude is actually trying to tell me vaccines don't work. Ha! The greatest medical discovery possibly ever and he's saying they don't work! What a quack!
Yeah and guess what? It was talking about vaccinating against smallpox in the present, not when it was killing 2 million people a year. Don't try and blame it on me just because you're tiny little brain can't read.
He read into it too much? You used the quote to try and make it seem like ALL vaccines are harmful/not effective when in fact the quote says ONLY the smallpox vaccine is unnecessary (at present). And what doesn't exist according to me? Please be more specific.
Yes I did, but both of those "doctors" who wrote the articles either support a link between vaccines and autism (which hasn't been proven) or are against vaccines... Hm, I wonder who's more credible, two doctors (with agendas to run) or entire public health agencies, with budgets in the billions... boy, is that a tough choice.
Uh, too bad they're talking about the smallpox vaccine... of course vaccination isn't going to be recommended for a disease that was wiped out more than 30 years ago. Way to completely butcher that quote. Do you honestly think I'm that stupid?
do you know what has happened since UK parents stop vaccinating their kids? it's been an outbreak of measles again. kids dying and other long term affects because of it.
you know i think it's insane for people to think vaccines caused their kids autism.
people are basing their decisions to vaccinate based on this quack doctor who paid 5 pounds to take blood from his kid's birthday party.
the 1918 flu didn't kill every one either. but it doesn't negate the fact that millions died from it. measles cannot only kill. but many children can suffer long term effects like blindness and other physical conditions.
thank goodness you were fine. but that's not the case with millions of other children who have been affected by the measles.
"who has seen vaccine nation and know s the truth about big company's that run the medical Mafia , as Bayer and other companys linked to I G farben who owned auschwitz , then people trust these company saying they care about our health , LOL its power money they would not be around if not for illness , all illness are curable , plants offer no monetary Value but Chemicals do"
Does this mean that the Doctor who released these false claims can be held responsible for all the children who died from measles because their parents listened to his lies.
In the US lesser claims have been successfully made. Not that that is a good thing either. Morally he is culpable, but proving he is legally culpable is different. I am sure there will be civil suits out of this before it is through though.
If anyone is to blame for the lower take-up of MMR, it is probably Downing Street, which bizarrely refused to say if Anthony Blair's son Leo had been given the MMR, a perfectly reasonable and legitimate question given Leo's father's government's active role in promoting the injection with taxpayers' money.
A brief message for you from the true rulers of the world.... We are watching everything you do, all your leaders have been replaced by clones who are under our control. Resistance is futile so go to bed.
you forgot to mention for the blood samples from kids he had parental consent and parents were present and they only did it if they agreed to, how can you judge him if you do not know him? learn your facts.
The ruling does not challenge the results of his study. I would also like to point out that my own children have had some of these same tests for far less serious of a reason then these children had. If they were my kids I would support the tests Wakefield did. The parents of these children DO support him and the tests he did but they were not allowed to testify on his behalf.
You're right, the ruling does not. 23 internationl studies do. The doctors who treat your children were not receiving thousands of pounds from lawyers in order to produce specific outcomes. Wakefield was paid off (as he has admitted several times) to "study" these children. The data has long-buried hi ideas.
@amiriliano you forgot to mention that the man used much of the money paid to him to keep funding the research while doing the study.
where hes right or wrong.... the question still remains why the spike in autism. he is one of the few actually trying to find an answer and because of that he is pretty much being crucified in the main stream media. main stream media and studies have done nothing but lie to the death. give me on good reason to believe main stream anything anymore?
@amiriliano whether he is right or out to lunch on his studies...fact of the matter is that he is one of the few at least trying to explain the spike in autism. and because of that he has pretty much been crucified by main stream media. Y do ppl still believe in mainstream media anymore!! main stream does nothing but lie to the death and deceive ppl! y should i believe anything mainstream media says anymore?
@leafs1319 No, you may have been able to say he was just trying to explain the spike up until it was first shown his results were unreplicable, but in sticking to his failed hypothesis afterword you can no longer even point to that possible redeeming factor.
Also, even ignoring the very large amount of money he was paid by the lawyer, the recommendations he claimed were based on his study "just so happened" to match perfectly with the patent for a new MMR jab he had been developing for months.
@ArcanaKnight STOP LYING...his results WERE replicated. You already saw what I just posted. Also...GMC panel did NOT pass judgment on the validity of Dr. Wakefield's research or his findings. That's NOT what the point of their review was. You have UNBELIEVABLE gall to claim conflicts of interests when you already know that the ONLY people with access to data in most drug trials just so happen to be working for the manufacturers.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Where do you get this stuff? I never said anything about the panel judging the validity of Wakefield's findings. Also, the evidence I referred to didn't have anything to do with a drug trial; it was verifiable real-world statistics which remained unchanged despite a change in policy that should have had an effect on them if anti-vax claims were true in even a portion of the cases, so your "Big Pharma corruption" speal has no bearing on it.
@ArcanaKnight You just called his research "fraudulent". Where did you get that if not the panel? You've heard the line...there are lies damned lies and then there are statistics? I'm no expert but I do know you can make a stat say anything you want. True I haven't looked into the stats for vaccines as closely. I'm familiar with the games they play with stats with aids so I don't take their proclamations at face value.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I called his research fraudulent because it has been found that he ignored data conflicting with his hypothesis and fudged the dates on the children's records so that it seemed their autism was the result of the vaccine. The GMC panel was just an ethics investigation, so it was never even meant to rule on the scientific validity of his findings.
The evidence of the fudged dates comes from the mismatch between the children's medical records and what was reported in the study. The evidence of his ignoring conflicting data comes from the testimony of a former graduate student. You should really try to do more research before you try defending frauds or start throwing around allegations of lying.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny You never bothered to read the actual charges against Wakefield? How could you possibly be confident enough in his innocence to defend him without even knowing that much?
because the pharma co's have a loooonnnggg history of CORRUPTION! The pharma companies deliberately hide evidence that would affect sales and deliberately LIE to doctors and scientists in order to promote drugs that they know full well are dangerous and ineffective. Those facts alone make me want to hear Wakefield's side of the story too.
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Wakefield's side of the story? You hadn't even heard the MANY ethics crimes he was guilty of, let alone the evidence against him, you ignore the same kind of corruption that you claim makes other labs' results automatically unreliable, yet you're apparently still so willing to believe Wakefield's side? Can we say hypocrite?
Please provide any evidence that vaccines cause autism since wakefields study.
amiriliano 2 months ago
@amiriliano-
ana-jana. org/ reprints/ JANAautismarticle6no1. pdf
14studies. org/ ourstudies. html
whale. to/ vaccine/ wakefield_confirmations. html
robertfkennedyjr . com/ docs/ ThimerosalScandalFINAL. PDF
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IF WHAT DR WAKEFIELD SAY'S IS TRUE IMAGINE THE LEVEL OF PAYMENT INVOLVED IN LITIGATION....MAKES YOU THINK!
buildsbest 2 months ago
All this video does is reaffirm that Dr Wakeffield's theories are correct. By merely looking for flaws in a legal paper / presentation is the way you exhibit your case. Research trials are usually run by the dictates of the person paying for them. I.E even health authorities or rather a very scared of litigation B.M.A. Dr Wakefields comment ''That the SPONSORING AGENCY for disease control...had INSTRUCTED the I.O.M.(Institute Of Medicine) to come to a NEGATIVE FINDING.
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All the suggestions you make on this video against Dr Wakefield just point to me a Dr who was generous and, like many, seeking sponsorship for his research without which he cannot continue, the money was not for personal gain. IT WAS FOR HONEST RESEARCH People may need to look at at this video of one member of the government presenting the case. To view it see youtube........... The Cover-Up Ctte Gov Rfrm Investigate-Mercury/Vaccine/Autism
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you are a DRAMA QUEEN. yawn,,,
osityan 3 months ago
for asserting something he never asserted.
zeekle 3 months ago
i did not give my children the MMR because Tony Blair did not give his children the MMR ..common sense really.
when the goverment were promoting MMR saying it was 100% safe Tony Blair refused to say weather his child had it.
mmmm funny that.
skanskar 3 months ago
Bullshit movie, read callous disregard and you will know what it's true!!!!!!
thebalex 3 months ago
The music is so unnecessarily unnerving
thisgirl267 4 months ago
*GOOGLE: " Mercury In The Medicine Taking Necessary Risks" A Report Prepared by The Staff Of The Subcommitte On Reform United States House Of Representatives Chairman Dan Burton May 2003~
promiseIsaih60 4 months ago
I continue to offer this yet unsatisfied challenge: provide *one* piece of scientific evidence DIRECTLY linking vaccines to autism. In the time since the release of this video NOT one individual has done so. Thank you.
amiriliano 4 months ago
Google: " vaccine-lobby-launches-gardasil-safety-hoax"
promiseIsaih60 5 months ago
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Did you know that Rupert Murdoch's son James Murdoch, who manages the UK paper Sunday Times, is on the board of GlaxoSmithKLine? Sir Nigel Davis, the High Court judge that denied parents of children treated by Dr. Wakefield the right to have their claims against vaccine manufacturers heard in a real court? Davis' brother, who is an executive board member of Elsevier, the group that publishes the Lancet, is also on the board of GlaxoSmithKline. EthanHuff at NaturalNews*cm.
promiseIsaih60 7 months ago
I will not, and do not give my children shots. My second son has problems because I did give him the shots. We have also had the measles and it really was not that bad they all lived through it with no complications and now we have natural immunity.
krcjjck 8 months ago
anyone who doesn't want to vaccinate children, just simply doesn't understand how vaccines work. Its a shame if you don't want to learn or understand either, especially if you end up threatening the health and lives of children as a results
royalexander1 8 months ago
everyone quit bickering - just go here and see if you can disagree with Bill Gates, one of the greatest humanitarians of our time:
watch?v=EFlhBYwLbf8
SeekingNamelessly 9 months ago
I know someone who is legally blind from Rubella, dumbf*cks but carry on. Survival of the fittest R I P
abby495 9 months ago
@happy792 lol
BeastlyClips 10 months ago
@happy792 .... "(like scores of children used to before vaccines)"... you're making an incorrect assumption there: the past 100 years has seen a vast improvement in nutrition, hygiene and sanitation. Hey, we even developed the germ theory in this time! Consequently the diseases which medical errrr.... 'professionals' vaccinate against today had been disappeared by 99.5% before the introduction of the for-profit jab!
Enter "greg beattie graphs" into google-images and the stats are there!
Manuhashidate 10 months ago
@happy792 Re: your comment "IDIOT IDOT IDIOT" - could you be more specific!
Manuhashidate 10 months ago
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promiseIsaih60 10 months ago
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New research links mercury to autism -- yet again:
wwwdotnaturalnewsdotcom/031678_mercury_autismdothtml
promiseIsaih60 11 months ago
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"Carcinogenicity - we have done no testing for the carcinogenicity of MF59 adjuvant or any of our vaccines. We haven't done it and we don't plan to." Dr. Novicki, Scientist for Novartis
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promiseIsaih60 1 year ago
watch wakefields interviews with joseph mercola to see his side of the story
BeastlyClips 1 year ago
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promiseIsaih60 1 year ago
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promiseIsaih60 1 year ago
'Nice to see some folk care! It's seems this video has focused more attention on the dangers of vaccines - great!
Anecdotally, I met a couple recently and their boy (23) has experienced epileptic fits since what his mother called the 'triple antigen' aged three! The family do NOT label or drug their boy for his apparent Asperger's-like condition, but I was shocked that other friends and relatives described the parents as being 'in denial' about the boy being 'retarded'. What awful labelling!
Manuhashidate 1 year ago
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promiseIsaih60 1 year ago
First off, I came back here to reply to the comment sent me below and I am not happy with amiriliano who has uploaded part of my comment above but has failed to put my response to it which can be found if you scroll to the next page.....
Secondly, I would like to point out that I am not part of ANY anti-vax nor religious group, I stat this is because I believe that some early vaccines are important e.g. DIP/HIB etc when babies but not ALL vaccines are necessary and that in my opinion is a FACT!
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
I got the MMR vaccine it's all the doctors fault they shouldn't do this to me I hope they get sued because I have to live with this autism my parents weren't born with it but I was vaccined with it and I don't understand why some kids didn't get the MMR vaccine why didn't the doctor inform people about this really it just ticks my patience
KatyPerryandKeshaFan 1 year ago
This study has been found to be an elaborate fraud!
Oudler 1 year ago
A study in 1986 proved the link between vaccines and autism, but for thousands of hapless parents, the lie that vaccines do not cause autism is a bitter betrayal. There are other vectors, but vaccines are the major ones. My son abruptly quit speaking altogether days after a rubella vaccine. He gradually recovered, until a nosedive 4 years later, directly following a mumps vaccine. He recovered partially until 8 years later when he received the MMR. He's spoken barely a word 9 years since.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
The information in this video is incorrect. Finland never made the study. The Denmark study was so full of flaws in it's interpretation that it does not say what these people purport it to say nor what the officials and the industry claim it says. Measles used to be a common childhood disease in Norway back in the 60's and 70's and I have never heard of any danger of epidemic deaths as a result of measles, mumps or rubella in Norway in my lifetime nor in any of the post war or 1900's overall
gunthaarz 1 year ago
UK family win 18 year fight over MMR damage to son: £90,000 payout is first since concerns over vaccine surfaced.
leadingladyj 1 year ago
Try looking into Dr. Ed Yazbak's viewpoint.
It will give people a true Doctor's response on the matter not this propaganda shit here!
The thing is the studies (so far) are not good enough to show that some vaccines do NOT cause harm.
The picture of the kid with measles - harsh - I've seen a child with measles in real life and the kid was fine after a week and now they have life long natural immunity (paracetamol, water and a close eye was all that was needed).
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
@VirtutiShell Why don't you provide one or more or any pieces of proof that vaccines DO cause autism? Anything...just one good example will do.
As for measles...it's a good thing we won't be using your advice based on your own anectdotal evidence of ONE child. Measles causes a death for every thousand children infected, not to mention complications and hospitalizations...we wouldn't want to just kill children when the disease can be easily prevented based on your advice.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@amiriliano Until they find the gene to prove autism is genetic it is hard to prove or disprove that environmental triggers (including vaccines) are responsible or not - so you are correct but as I said it is the same as saying prove that vaccines do NOT cause harm - I wonder what the stats are between the death rate for measles Vs autism rate now?
And it wasn't just ONE child I was referring to (that one was recently) I was referring to the 70's - many parents dealt with it & wasn't that bad.
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
@VirtutiShell
Dr Yazbak has an autistic grandchild treated as part of "Dr" Wakefield's study.
In whose (financial) interest would it be to find a "link" between vaccines and autism?
mikestevens606 1 year ago
@mikestevens606 Yes it is true that certain groups involved in ALL of this have a vested interest e.g. big pharma groups are pushing the Flu vax because of the surplus from the so called 'bird flu' days and yet flu is no worse (in the UK) than it ever has been - its propaganda at its worst. Us mere mortals (general public) have to try to unravel it - to find the truth.
At the end of the day I cannot recall all Dr Yazbak's work unless I go back over all the research I did 4mths ago but......
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
@mikestevens606 ....Yes Dr Yazbak does have an autistic relative, it was one of his reasons to research it and sadly money gets involved.
Also, some do have an adverse reaction to a vaccine, I knew someone that had an updated booster to Hep B and went into (unexpected) anaphylactic shock - it happens.
But, not ALL parents are ALL wrong; autistic signs develop at around the age of 2 so they brought down the age to have vaccine - what does that say? It tells me an independent study is required.
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
@VirtutiShell You go man! Keep up the good work educating on the dahgers of vaccines.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 thanks I will
VirtutiShell 1 year ago
@VirtutiShell We'll see if polio, smallpox and rubella can also be cured by water and close eye too. Uhuh.
abby495 9 months ago
@abby495 As you have only read one of my responses & have failed to read others - you wouldn't know that I am not anti-vaccines (only some of them!) so firstly I agree with Polio vaccine & with the single Rubella & I'm pretty sure Smallpox has been wiped out (at present), possibly due to the vax, I say possibly as some viruses wipe themselves out naturally - Some vax are important but not all. A child's temperature+fluids are key to recovery - Fact. And, stay out of light with measles/rubella.
VirtutiShell 8 months ago
Wakefield's name has been struck of the medical record. He did harm he is a disgrace to the field of medicine and should be shot. Many children will now suffer because of his lies and shoddy research. People are unable to read English if so they would have determined the kids exhibited sympotoms of PDD before they get the vaccines. So epic fail your kids will f*cking die congratulations ignorant folks.
abby495 9 months ago
The most important data those kids didn't even have autism. LOL But that's what happens when idiots listen to Jennie McCartney and believe what celebrities say more than science. I know someone who hasn't vaccinated their 2nd kid since vaccinating kid #1 led to his autism. He doesn't have autism he just needed his mom to blow his nose. His mom suffers from mental disorders also she never procured a diagnosis from a Doctor. Perhaps she fancies herself to be a doctor. How horrible to be a child.
abby495 9 months ago
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Man disabled by MMR vaccine awarded £90,000 after 13-year fight
A man who suffered severe brain damage after being given the MMR vaccine as a baby has been awarded £90,000 in a landmark ruling expected to pave the way for thousands of similar compensation claims.
Read more at:w w w . telegraph . co .uk/health/healthnews/7970315/Man-disabled-by-MMR-vaccine-awarded-90000-after-13-year-fight.html
silkcat51 1 year ago
This vid sort of pretends to be Pro Wakefield at first! so watch on, and THEN rate it...the Ratings are not reflective of reality, on this one. liora
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rangumai 1 year ago
Wow this is so ridiculous it is almost funny except that some people believe in your BS story here. LOL!
powerinthepictures 1 year ago
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Gee... this YouTube comment software can be really tetchy... I had actually left an additional comment. Sadly, the software missed it, and you've opened your phucking trap again!
So, to reiterate (verbatim):
Now you've fessed-up that you do jabs (or pretend to), I feel little more than utter condescension towards you.
You are one of these blind, as-I-call - 'desciples of the church of medicine' alas - a foolish zealot!
Goodbye!
rangumai 1 year ago
I called you a gutless plonker to troll you into responding... obviously I succeeded - you Chav cunt!
To clarify... unlike Wakefield, I am 100% against all vaccination. Yes, that's right... I think anyone who bestow's upon themselves the sovereign authority to inoculate months old infantss with as many as NINE toxoids in one session is blinded by severe, biased arrogance!
Most vaccines had the mercury removed because it damages neurons, as does it's replacement - aluminium!
rangumai 1 year ago
@rangumai So what you're saying is you have NOT found any studies that show vaccines actually cause harm, as I asked you to do.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@amiriliano There have been many studies which show that both mercury and aluminum are neurotoxins and it is a fact that the levels of these toxins present in vaccines exceed the amounts the FDA deems safe levels for children, let alone infants (in some instances, higher than safe levels for adults)
The onus in of proof rests not with a population with legitmate concerns about vaccine safety but rather with the pharmecuetical companies & the FDA to provide proper studies showing their safety
Racquelle40 1 year ago
@Racquelle40 Awesome point. keep up the great work. Vaccines do more harm! "The power that made the body heals the body".
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@rangumai and these toxins are???
thegstar15 1 year ago
@rangumai Yes! You're right on!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@rangumai Awesome!
chiropractic47 10 months ago
@amiriliano:
Amiriliano, you're not a 'we'... you must own you own opinion, mine is that you flick has bad grammar and is loaded with shallow, emotive nonsense!
I reflected by saying that I'm reading 'Silenced Witnesses Vol. 2' - a very well written book by the parents of Wakefield's patiients.
The footage made by Calgary University showing the devasating effects of mercury on brain tissue is NOT two kids dancing in their bedroom to Barbie Girl - it's actual research!
rangumai 1 year ago
Hey Amiriliano, this is your post... your thread... your words - where have you gone? Surely a simple yes or no question as to whether you've seen a particular flick (youtube.com/watch?v=N064Gp1r_98) couldn't flummox and intelectual giant like yourself? You gutless plonker!
rangumai 1 year ago
@rangumai "gutless plonker"..now THAT may be the best insult seen here. What exactly is a "plonker"? I love British insults!! Despite the fact that you're acting with very little respect, I will answer your questions. I have been busy at work, seeing patients and getting them vaccinated.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@rangumai (continued) To answer your question, yes I have seen the CU's video...many times. In fact, if you take the time to look through the comments, I'm sure you'll find a few other references to it. First, we don't make public health decisions based on youtube videos.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@rangumai (continued #2) Second, that video is showing you what happens when you exposed a nueron IN VITRO (in the dish) to mercury. You cannot extrapolate that to a population at all. To find out the effects of a substance in the population, you have to perform what are called epidemiological studies. Those have been done extensively in Canada, Denmark and several other countries, encompassing 100's of thosands of children
amiriliano 1 year ago
@rangumai (continued #3) The rate of autism was equal in groups who had received Thimerosal compared with those who had not. Third, Thimerosal is a substance called "ethyl mercury". The CU video is showing you "methyl mercury", which although to lay ears may sound the same, they are very very different. Ethyl mercury has been shown to excrete from infant bodies much more quickly, preventing accumulation.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@rangumai (continued #4) Lastly, there has been no Thimerosal given in vaccines for years (except one type of flu jab) and the rate of autistic spectrum disorders has only increased. So...that's the story with the CU video.
amiriliano 1 year ago
@amiriliano That's actually not true. While thimerosal free vaccines have been formulated, many doctor's offices & public health facilities do not carry the mercruy free vaccines as they are more expensive. If a parent is not aware of this & does not specifically ask, their child may be receiving the mercury based vaccines. As well, there are NO mercury free Hep B, Diptheria or tetanus vaccines and more then one flu shot contains mercury.....and nevermind the aluminum levels..
Racquelle40 1 year ago
@Racquelle40 Excellent point!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@amiriliano As well there many other adverse side effects associated with other properties of the vaccines besides the mercury.
Racquelle40 1 year ago
Hannah Poling.
rangumai 1 year ago
It took the author of this video (Amiriliano) two hours to be the Spelling Police when both laziness and astigmatism let me down.
Asked a direct, on-topic yes-or-no question about having viewed Calgary University's documenting of mercury damage, how long with he/she take to respond? - of course, with a 'yes' or a 'no', as the question dictates!
And for UK folk.. isn't it rather telling that after Wakefield's Lancet paper, mercury was quietly removed from virtually all vaccines?
rangumai 1 year ago
@rangumai Well...I was hoping you would have some sense of humor...but let's get down to business:
Looks like you're making some pretty strong claims regarding vaccines. Would you please be so kind as to provide ANY scientific proof (a study...not cells in a dish)that proves vaccines cause harm.
Thanks!
amiriliano 1 year ago
...hey, where's my yes or no answer - did you see that vid from Calgary University, and what's your opinion on it's contents? It empirically shows that mercury nee thimerosal, a.k.a. thiomersal destroys brain neurons!
You succeeded in changing the subject accusing me of 'making some pretty strong claims' and ' let's get down to business'-type bullying, but really... a more-informed response might have to mention that Wakefield (oddly) never joined the anti-thimerosal camp! - you Twat!
rangumai 1 year ago
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Question: (and this is a Yes or No answer) have you watched this video youtube.com/watch?v=N064Gp1r_98 where the effects of mercury on Brain tissue is demonstrated?
Reminder: that's a 'yes' or a a 'no'...
rangumai 1 year ago
Didn't have my specs on, sorry! Spelling mistake are 'typos' - they're unintentional, poor grammar indicates no-proof reading or just bad grammar!
Yes, Silenced Witnesses Vol.2 is a book compiled by the parents of the kids involved in Andrew Wakefield's research - none of whom have ever complained to the GMC, and who, to this day, continue to support him! That's opinion close to the core of this debacle, opinion well worth reading!
What's you real opinion on the Naill Dickson equation?
rangumai 1 year ago
Emotional blackmail - with poor grammar!
Silenced Witnersses Vol.2 in my hand!
GMC = GSK... Niall Dickson
rangumai 1 year ago
@rangumai "Silenced Witnersses"?? ...I believe "witnesses" is spelled without an "r"...:)
amiriliano 1 year ago
@amiriliano well....put your specs on!!
Everything is worth reading...but at the end of the day...the science is the science and everything else is speculation. Of course they support him..they were litigants in the case he was being paid to "research". Move on...this guy is just a determent to you.
amiriliano 1 year ago
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It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
And he still practices medicine, what a farce.
charlie392 1 year ago
It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
And he still practices medicine, what a farce.
charlie392 1 year ago
@charlie392 He doesnt practice legally anymore. They finally got around to giving him the heave ho.
batigol47 1 year ago
It is sad how personal gain becomes more important than ethics. Unfortunately Dr Wakefield is now famous, for all the wrong reasons. What was he thinking.
Nice little recap,but misses out the ending. I feel so sorry for the families the blindly supported him while he hid the large sums of money, very large sums of money.
And he still practices medicine, what a farce.
charlie392 1 year ago
Dr Andrew Wakefield knew the truth. 10000% chance that vaccines are causing autism, and if its not vaccines it is other methods.
LionsLair8000 1 year ago
His "conflict of interest" should be added to point (2) "nine months before he said this, he had patented his own single measles vaccine". Wakefield's scam is revealed by Australian's Broadcasting Commission Just google these thrree words: rear vision wakefield
sqgl 1 year ago
see The VaccinesAreDangerous website Roberto Giraldo
HIVVideos 1 year ago
I don't believe a word of this. Guess who's behind the studies? The pharmaceutical companies.
heatherroses 1 year ago
@heatherroses Pharmaceuticals could just as easily make money from treating MMR as they could preventing it. But Wakefield actually sood to make money if he could turn people onto single shot vaccines since he had patented his own for measles.
sqgl 1 year ago
Most of the Wakefield study's coauthors have since retracted their authorship from the paper.
marzsc 1 year ago
my \/ key has stopped working so excuse me if no show up.
I don't know about you, but I got solid proof from home moies and medical record data that my son got autisum from his accines, een if this is bullshit, this still does not know that other \/accines are safe!
Wizard298 1 year ago
Vaccines have always been controversial, the vaccines-cause-autism crowd only make a controversy even more controversial.
aspie101 1 year ago
Do you know if the kids who got measles were vaxxed or not?
I am dubious to whether vaccines work or not. It seems so hard to tell. Do you know any studies with evidence either way?
VIV292 2 years ago
You're kidding, right?
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@i6hate6stupid6people about what
VIV292 2 years ago
You said you're "dubious as to whether vaccines work or not." Like I said, you're kidding right?
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@i6hate6stupid6people well their is no test cases done about wether they work or not (for obvious reasons)the research is not their because it wouldn't benefit to know how/why they work??
"Vaccines work" is a blanket statement cover story unless you can show any serious studies non bias/research my thoughts would be realistic/dubious toward that statement
VIV292 2 years ago
Small pox was killing 2 million people a year in 1959, yet 20 years later was declared globally eradicated because of intensive vaccinations. So yes, there are plenty of studies showing vaccines work.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@i6hate6stupid6people thats not a study thats a blanket statement I bet not everyone died of small pox because they never tested them all seriously you need too research a lot harder than just reading what someone else declares and look at every underlying issues involved
VIV292 2 years ago
The method of injecting someone with a dead/somewhat live virus in order to build immunity toward that particular virus is well-studied and well-substantiated. Vaccines are the single greatest medical discovery of the last 100 years.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@i6hate6stupid6people again your just making statements from a cornflake box those studies you like are very biased and interpreted
cheers
VIV292 2 years ago
Uh, the fact that small pox was killing 2 million people a year in 1959 isn't "biased or interpreted"... Nor is the fact that it was globally eradicated in 1979 BECAUSE OF VACCINATIONS. The WHO spent $2.4 million a year from 67'-79' on a worldwide outbreak search and VACCINATION program. Do you honestly think humans just magically gained immunity from what was then considered the world's deadliest disease in those 20 years?
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
Do you know if those 2million people were treated?
what with or how?
from research it seems that there is better sanitation/health running water and general living conditions have improved since the second world war
do you think that has improved somewhat ???
VIV292 2 years ago
Or how about the FACT that Polio cases were in the hundreds of thousands until the WHO and UNICEF targeted it for eradication through VACCINATIONS in 1988, bringing cases down to around one thousand? Vaccines were discovered more than 200 years old and their mechanism is well proven. They are NOT 100% effective, but neither are pain killers or cough medicine. Sorry, but you can't argue against the effectiveness of vaccines, no matter how much you spew your "science is biased" bullshit.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
the numbers have been decreasing before mass vaccinations from what I have researched
your figures sound interesting but where do you get your info from?
well science is not biased but peoples interpretations of science is , opinion becomes fact instead of the other way around
did you know they get more money pharmaceutical companies for vaccinations so there studies will be based on the all mighty dollar first and the science is secondary
hope you do your homework
stop going in circles
VIV292 2 years ago
Of course sanitation, clean drinking water, etc. have helped in the decline of certain diseases. What do you mean do I know if those 2 million were treated? How can they be treated when they're DEAD? Smallpox vaccination began way before 1959 (some states required vacc. as far back as the 1840s), so of course numbers were in decline but only in the industrialized world. It wasn't until the WHO began a concerted effort to eradicate smallpox in 67' that the number of people dying (which was
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
at 2 million a year in 59') drastically declined, to the point that smallpox was declared globally eradicated. Hmmm, now if vaccines supposedly do not work as you are suggesting, why would states such as Massachusetts make smallpox vaccination mandatory as far back as 1840? Certainly the pharmaceutical industry was nowhere near as powerful then as it is now, am I correct? I got my numbers through a simple Google search. You realize nothing you have said so far falsifies the efficacy of vaccines,
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
right? I did my homework, I suggest you do yours.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
I am still learning.
VIV292 2 years ago
"The mission of the WHO Department of Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals is the attainment of a world in which all people at risk are protected against vaccine-preventable diseases."
~WHO
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
Did you read the links?
VIV292 2 years ago
Measles cases in 1958 were around 760,000 per year in the U.S. Through intensive VACCINATIONS, that number dropped to around 150 cases per year from 1997 onward. In 2008, there were 64 cases of measles in the U.S.; 63 of those individuals had never been vaccinated. These numbers aren't subject to interpretation of bias, they are pure scientific fact. You obviously no nothing about the human immune system, do you? Oh well, keep living in a cave buddy.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
"Vaccines have proven extremely effective in controlling and even eradicating some major childhood diseases. Indeed, smallpox - a severe and often fatal disease which used to be common among children - has been entirely wiped out by worldwide immunization...
Generally, vaccines are safe and very effective. In my mind, the benefits of immunization far outweigh any risks. The bottom line is that I believe that vaccines are safe and necessary."
~Paul Roumeliotis, MD, Eastern Ontario Health Unit
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
"The best way to reduce vaccine-preventable diseases is to have a highly immune population. Universal vaccination is a critical part of quality health care and should be accomplished through routine and intensive vaccination programs implemented in physicians offices and in public health clinics. Programs should be established and maintained in all communities to ensure vaccination of all children at the recommended age..."
~CDC, December 1, 2006
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
"For viral illnesses such as polio and measles, we do not have antibiotics, and therefore, the vaccine is absolutely essential...
[O]ur citizens need to understand that the vaccine program has been extremely successful. Its the most effective public health program in the history of man, and we cannot let down our guard just because weve done such a good job. We must continue to protect our children and protect our population..."
~David Tayloe, fmr president of American Academy of Pediatrics
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for your evidence that vaccines are worse than the diseases they are meant to prevent.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
"Existing vaccines have proven efficacy but also have a high incidence of adverse side-effects.
The risk of adverse events is sufficiently high that vaccination is not warranted if there is no or little real risk of exposure."
WHO this is about the risk which people need to weigh up
VIV292 2 years ago
Nice job of butchering quotes, there.
They're speaking of the smallpox vaccine there. Not merely all vaccines. And why do they feel the smallpox vaccine is not warranted? Because smallpox has been eliminated from the population. Why? Because of vaccines!
They were weighing the benefits of vaccinating the population against smallpox in case terrorists used it as a weapon.
They are NOT saying that vaccines, in general, are not warranted.
StumpyOuch 2 years ago
Sorry to take it out of context but I read it how I see it.
VIV292 2 years ago
WTF does that mean? Did you read it on some anti-vax site that conveniently forgot to mention that they were talking solely about a smallpox vaccination in case of a terrorist attack, or did you see for yourself what they were talking about, and butchered it yourself to fit your agenda?
StumpyOuch 2 years ago
I'll put my money on the latter, seems he'd rather catch smallpox or polio than receive a little prick in the arm.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
It was actually on the site given by "stupid 6 people"
VIV292 2 years ago
So you saw the context in which it was given, understood that it was pertaining only to the smallpox vaccine in relation to terrorist attacks, and then knowingly butchered the quote to suit your agenda, and relied on the gullibility of the general population to just take your word for it?
Congratulations!!! You're just like every other half-witted anti-vaxer out there, who is responsible for the deaths of children from a resurgence of diseases like measles, due to your idiotic fearmongering.
StumpyOuch 2 years ago
Don't these people just annoy the fuck out of you? This dude is actually trying to tell me vaccines don't work. Ha! The greatest medical discovery possibly ever and he's saying they don't work! What a quack!
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@StumpyOuch dude you need to relax you give people balanced unobustrive info let them decide
about the quote they said it I just highlighted it you read into it to much
VIV292 2 years ago
Yeah and guess what? It was talking about vaccinating against smallpox in the present, not when it was killing 2 million people a year. Don't try and blame it on me just because you're tiny little brain can't read.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
@i6hate6stupid6people according too you they don't exist????
VIV292 2 years ago
He read into it too much? You used the quote to try and make it seem like ALL vaccines are harmful/not effective when in fact the quote says ONLY the smallpox vaccine is unnecessary (at present). And what doesn't exist according to me? Please be more specific.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
Yes I did, but both of those "doctors" who wrote the articles either support a link between vaccines and autism (which hasn't been proven) or are against vaccines... Hm, I wonder who's more credible, two doctors (with agendas to run) or entire public health agencies, with budgets in the billions... boy, is that a tough choice.
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
Uh, too bad they're talking about the smallpox vaccine... of course vaccination isn't going to be recommended for a disease that was wiped out more than 30 years ago. Way to completely butcher that quote. Do you honestly think I'm that stupid?
i6hate6stupid6people 2 years ago
Well the method of injecting a foreign material in a body does' not necessarily build immunity but can compromise immunity ie healthy/or unwell
VIV292 2 years ago
like i said you give ni answer right"
VIV292 2 years ago
do you know what has happened since UK parents stop vaccinating their kids? it's been an outbreak of measles again. kids dying and other long term affects because of it.
you know i think it's insane for people to think vaccines caused their kids autism.
people are basing their decisions to vaccinate based on this quack doctor who paid 5 pounds to take blood from his kid's birthday party.
rania3830 2 years ago
Measles didn't kill me and what long term effects are you talking about? I have none!
autismtookmickie 2 years ago
the 1918 flu didn't kill every one either. but it doesn't negate the fact that millions died from it. measles cannot only kill. but many children can suffer long term effects like blindness and other physical conditions.
thank goodness you were fine. but that's not the case with millions of other children who have been affected by the measles.
rania3830 2 years ago
continue to sleep.
but please come talk to me when you wake up.
TekkGnostic 2 years ago
"who has seen vaccine nation and know s the truth about big company's that run the medical Mafia , as Bayer and other companys linked to I G farben who owned auschwitz , then people trust these company saying they care about our health , LOL its power money they would not be around if not for illness , all illness are curable , plants offer no monetary Value but Chemicals do"
CommonPurpose1 2 years ago
Does this mean that the Doctor who released these false claims can be held responsible for all the children who died from measles because their parents listened to his lies.
independentview1 2 years ago
In the US lesser claims have been successfully made. Not that that is a good thing either. Morally he is culpable, but proving he is legally culpable is different. I am sure there will be civil suits out of this before it is through though.
batigol47 2 years ago
The music was distracting when I was trying to read your points. maybe choose calmer background music next time lol
MsPaparatz 2 years ago
Thanks. I think the Requiem is appropriate for Wakefiled's career death, though!
amiriliano 2 years ago
hahaha!! yeah I figured that was what you were trying to express :)
MsPaparatz 2 years ago
If anyone is to blame for the lower take-up of MMR, it is probably Downing Street, which bizarrely refused to say if Anthony Blair's son Leo had been given the MMR, a perfectly reasonable and legitimate question given Leo's father's government's active role in promoting the injection with taxpayers' money.
leadingladyj 2 years ago
And now officially retracted by the Lancet in a near unprecedented maneuver.
batigol47 2 years ago
GMC = Gross Medical Cover-up
leadingladyj 2 years ago
Google CDC secret Simpsonwood meetings... CDC has been covering up autism/Thimerosal link for years.
Yankhadenough 2 years ago
A brief message for you from the true rulers of the world.... We are watching everything you do, all your leaders have been replaced by clones who are under our control. Resistance is futile so go to bed.
Fromanttodugong 2 years ago
The vaccine corporations are evil , period
Yankhadenough 2 years ago
you forgot to mention for the blood samples from kids he had parental consent and parents were present and they only did it if they agreed to, how can you judge him if you do not know him? learn your facts.
MARMADILLOW 2 years ago
Maybe you should take the time to read the GMC findings.
batigol47 2 years ago
The ruling does not challenge the results of his study. I would also like to point out that my own children have had some of these same tests for far less serious of a reason then these children had. If they were my kids I would support the tests Wakefield did. The parents of these children DO support him and the tests he did but they were not allowed to testify on his behalf.
galilaya42 2 years ago
You're right, the ruling does not. 23 internationl studies do. The doctors who treat your children were not receiving thousands of pounds from lawyers in order to produce specific outcomes. Wakefield was paid off (as he has admitted several times) to "study" these children. The data has long-buried hi ideas.
amiriliano 2 years ago
@amiriliano you forgot to mention that the man used much of the money paid to him to keep funding the research while doing the study.
where hes right or wrong.... the question still remains why the spike in autism. he is one of the few actually trying to find an answer and because of that he is pretty much being crucified in the main stream media. main stream media and studies have done nothing but lie to the death. give me on good reason to believe main stream anything anymore?
leafs1319 1 year ago
@amiriliano whether he is right or out to lunch on his studies...fact of the matter is that he is one of the few at least trying to explain the spike in autism. and because of that he has pretty much been crucified by main stream media. Y do ppl still believe in mainstream media anymore!! main stream does nothing but lie to the death and deceive ppl! y should i believe anything mainstream media says anymore?
leafs1319 1 year ago
@leafs1319 No, you may have been able to say he was just trying to explain the spike up until it was first shown his results were unreplicable, but in sticking to his failed hypothesis afterword you can no longer even point to that possible redeeming factor.
Also, even ignoring the very large amount of money he was paid by the lawyer, the recommendations he claimed were based on his study "just so happened" to match perfectly with the patent for a new MMR jab he had been developing for months.
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago
@ArcanaKnight STOP LYING...his results WERE replicated. You already saw what I just posted. Also...GMC panel did NOT pass judgment on the validity of Dr. Wakefield's research or his findings. That's NOT what the point of their review was. You have UNBELIEVABLE gall to claim conflicts of interests when you already know that the ONLY people with access to data in most drug trials just so happen to be working for the manufacturers.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Where do you get this stuff? I never said anything about the panel judging the validity of Wakefield's findings. Also, the evidence I referred to didn't have anything to do with a drug trial; it was verifiable real-world statistics which remained unchanged despite a change in policy that should have had an effect on them if anti-vax claims were true in even a portion of the cases, so your "Big Pharma corruption" speal has no bearing on it.
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago
@ArcanaKnight You just called his research "fraudulent". Where did you get that if not the panel? You've heard the line...there are lies damned lies and then there are statistics? I'm no expert but I do know you can make a stat say anything you want. True I haven't looked into the stats for vaccines as closely. I'm familiar with the games they play with stats with aids so I don't take their proclamations at face value.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny I called his research fraudulent because it has been found that he ignored data conflicting with his hypothesis and fudged the dates on the children's records so that it seemed their autism was the result of the vaccine. The GMC panel was just an ethics investigation, so it was never even meant to rule on the scientific validity of his findings.
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago
@ArcanaKnight Dude...stop lying. That's the best advice I have for you. We both know that YOU never actually read anything for yourself.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Like you apparently never read the GMC review's findings?
The evidence of the fudged dates comes from the mismatch between the children's medical records and what was reported in the study. The evidence of his ignoring conflicting data comes from the testimony of a former graduate student. You should really try to do more research before you try defending frauds or start throwing around allegations of lying.
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago
@ArcanaKnight .I NEVER claimed to have read the GMC paper. I do NOT claim to have read papers if all I've actually seen is the title.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny You never bothered to read the actual charges against Wakefield? How could you possibly be confident enough in his innocence to defend him without even knowing that much?
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago
@ArcanaKnight Ok...I'll say it AGAIN!
because the pharma co's have a loooonnnggg history of CORRUPTION! The pharma companies deliberately hide evidence that would affect sales and deliberately LIE to doctors and scientists in order to promote drugs that they know full well are dangerous and ineffective. Those facts alone make me want to hear Wakefield's side of the story too.
mykoolaidtastesfunny 1 year ago
@mykoolaidtastesfunny Wakefield's side of the story? You hadn't even heard the MANY ethics crimes he was guilty of, let alone the evidence against him, you ignore the same kind of corruption that you claim makes other labs' results automatically unreliable, yet you're apparently still so willing to believe Wakefield's side? Can we say hypocrite?
ArcanaKnight 1 year ago