Let's be clear. Mc Cain knows the military. He is was a POW for over 5 years in Vietnam. They broke his arms until he could not raise them over his shoulder. WHY ?? Because the Viets had wicked gays in their army anf the USA had none. So Mc Cain had to suck yellow dicks and could not raise his arms above his shoulders. All he could do was scratch balls with his fragile fingers as dicks forced their way down his throat. Would you want gays in the military if that happenned to you?
@pastorg22 Pastor, do you also believe that the military ought to ban out of wedlock hetrosexual sex and prevent Soldiers and Marines from going to strip clubs?
@cloudshe You offer no evidence that the survey was in any way "dishonest," which probably explains your need to name call (i.e. fudgepacker Mullen) as opposed to presenting rational arguments. When you decide to apply rational argument - a skill civilized people use in public discussions - please post again. Until then, your posts and opinions have no value. Oh, and yes, if you don't like it, you get out - that is true of all chain of command decisions in the military.
@FAHayek89 do me a big favor and Skip the phony sensitivity. and your insinuation that all command decisions in the military are based on the good of the service is, what do the libs call it, disingenuous. you may believe your view of current events from a gay perspective is accurate, but it sure looks unfounded in reality to me, based on my experience. not just a few of us wonder at the wisdom of replacing warrior aggresiveness with the administrative might of blackshoes like mcMullen
@cloudshe I'm not sure what my "view of events" would be, though you have ignored some plain facts that I have cited and in your most "persuasive" post could only offer the opinion of a partisan newspaper editorial with no facts backing it up.
@FAHayek89 funny how you proclaim your depiction of this situation as "facts" but others' views as "partisan". is it because you have no real "experience" to back up your "facts"?
- Fact: No western state (including Israel and Britain) that repealed their ban saw a decrease in enlistment/re-enlistment.
- Fact: The vast majority of the COMBAT Marines and Soldiers who have served with homosexuals said the change would be irrelevant or positive. (You call the survey biased, but fail to explain how that empiric specifically is biased.)
- Fact: The majority of the public supports the change in every major poll.
@cloudshe As far as experience: Multiple combat tours at the tactical level, including in command positions of Armor and Airborne Cavalry Soldiers, in both Mechanized Infantry and light Airborne Infantry Brigades. Is that good enough for you for experience?
@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
@FAHayek89 well, maybe in your Virtual Military where you are supreme commander all those things would work out okay. you seem to be of the notion that some highly educated(?), moral civilian would be an appropriate judge of how the military should be run. why don't you team up with the media and we can fire all those ex-warriors, you guys can take their place & our nation's defense will be run so much better
Do these combat-vet warriors/ex-warriors have enough experience for you?
GEN Petreaus, ISAF Cdr.
ADM Roughhead, Chief, Naval Ops.
ADM Cartwright, VC JCS
ADM(r) Crowe, Chair JCS
GEN(r) Powell, Chair JCS; NSA; SecState
GEN(r) Shalikashvili, Chair JCS
LTG(r) Christman, USMA Superintendent
ADM(r) Larson, CINCPAC; USNA Superintendent
Over 100 retired Generals and Admirals support the change. Somehow I am sure you would claim they somehow don’t have your expertise in national defense.
@FAHayek89 and how many retired generals and admirals think it's horseshit? why do you leave out That tidbit? you want this to look like the repeal has OVERWHELMING support yet it does Not. and where were these guys when Bush was President???
time will tell, whatever the negative consequences, you can be sure they will be buried, just as the female absorption went down. end result a stronger military? we will see
@cloudshe So basically, your argument is that if it doesn't work, you were correct, and if it does work, it really failed and the failure was covered up, so you are still correct? If I understand your system, no matter what happens in the world - no matter how facts contradict your conclusions, you end up correct. Nothing could possibly prove you wrong. That must be a wonderful world you live in.
@FAHayek89 well, as EYE understand how youtube works, you title yr video w/ "DADT" and out come all the heterophobes ready to strike down any discussion from the opposition. so congratulations on all the folks who like your responses. mccain's complaints are germane, the military leadership bowed to obama's power & glory, the fix was in. but NEVER let it be said that this repeal was 'welcomed' by the folks in the military because of this BS survey. that would be a Big Obama Lie
@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
How many of you pussy posters served and suffered at the hands of the enemy like Senator McCain did--raise your soft, pot-smoking, butt scratching, liberal hands!
@toiseywoisey You forget something. He was released from confinement early by the Vietnamese and put up at the Hanoi Hilton because his daddy was a politician or US official. So while his buddies were still in the camps, he was at the Hilton. Yes, he suffered, but not like his buddies.
@xander7ful You're a liar Sir: From Wikipedia: McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.
@xander7ful I'll argue that McCain is wrong on this issue, but your post is also wrong. McCain turned down an offer of early release and deserves tremendous respect for his integrity on that issue. (His integrity in other areas might be open for debate - devotion to his first wife, standing by previously stated political positions, etc.) In any case, none of that has direct bearing on his argument here.
@toiseywoisey -- John McCain trashed five jets killing many others and then got his stupid ass shot down in Nam. Then he made pro Viet Cong propaganda videos for them and betrayed his country. John McCain is a traitor.
@1noen1 Said from the comfort of your living room in front of your computer. I don't suppose you have a lot of experience with torture, but I'm willing to bet that by applying enough of it, I could get you to make propaganda videos. Do you also consider James Stockdale a traitor? McCain is wrong here, but that is no reason to impeach his character in areas in which he deserves credit.
@motstraumen tell you what, you quit the insensitive remarks about age and i'll refrain from publicly wishing you gays some disease fm having unnatural sex
And McCain did the EXACT SAME THING today... it was like word-for-word instant replay of this even though the Generals brought him EVERYTHING he asked for... The old man needs a nap!
@informatist the whole point the senator was trying to make is that the 'survey' may have been biased (which was to be expected since gates & mullen are Clearly biased). the litmus test G & M had to submit to to get their JOBS fm the O people was to support repeal of DADT, and they are obviously toeing the line.
"why weren't the surveyees asked 'do you support repeal of DADT?' why was that question left out?" That was a major fault of the survey that mccain brought up
@cloudshe No, I'm sorry, you're wrong. The reason the specific "do you support repeal" Q. was left off of the survey is because it sends the wrong message to soldiers to ask them to vote on the legislation. And it does amount to a "vote", at least in their minds. The military is not a democracy. They surveyed the soldiers on EXACTLY what McCain asked them to the first time... but the whole survey is irrelevant and extraneous anyway - it should not be the focal point of the discussion.
@informatist the survey was skewed in order to make everyone believe that the military was OK with fags. it is not. it wasn't even made available to a vast number of units in combat. yes. wording does matter.
@rugger8541 I'm not sure where you get your information, but I got the survey in Iraq. You are correct. Wording matters, and it was worded exactly as it should have been. Privates don't vote on policy.
@informatist that's bogus. who would better know the effect of the repeal than those serving in Real military conditions, not some 'manager' who hasn't bunked with others or had a meal that wasn't served to him on a set table for 20 plus years.
the obvious is that the question was specifically left out because Obama's military managers didn't want the wrong answer to be made public
if the focal point is "is DADT working well", the opinion of service members is pretty relevant, don't you think
@cloudshe The reason that the question was left out is that privates don't have the right to make policy. Senior military officers make military policy, and political leadership makes political policy. The answer to the question would have been irrelevant.
If you do want to look at numbers, the vast majority of the military think the change would have no effect or a positive effect. Of the combat arms branches, the majority who have knowingly served with a homosexual feel the same way.
@FAHayek89 come ON now. then WHY did they ask for input fm ANYONE??? just ram it down their throats like a Harry Reid
McCain's complaint that the questionaire purposely dodged relevant input was valid, DADT works just fine for the military, this whole thing is political, why isn't that obvious to you?
@cloudshe 85% of COMBAT Marines who have knowing served with a homosexual claim that they would have no problem with gays openly serving according to the survey. An even higher number of Combat Arms soldiers in the Army answered in the same way. 70% of the military a whole had no problem. The point of the survey was to determine if the change could be feasibly implemented and at what cost, not to determine what everyone "wanted." The answer is clear. It is feasible and at very little cost.
@FAHayek89 WashTimes: "....Those in combat roles - where unit cohesion and trust are life-and-death concerns - gave a different response. About half with combat experience said a change would have a negative or very negative impact in the field or at sea. Among Marine combat troops, two-thirds said combat readiness would suffer."
@cloudshe The old policy doesn’t work. It wastes money and time in the legal process. It creates institutional approval for half-truths and lies. “Don’t tell” sounds good, but in reality, the only way to cover up the fact that a soldier is gay is for him to lie in daily conversation. Half-truths or lies corrupts the environment and makes other lies more acceptable. Lack of trust and dishonesty is far more corrective in combat than knowing who the guy next to you sleeps with when he goes home.
@FAHayek89 you are completely disregarding the implications of what the 'right' to serve openly will mean. if you are so concerned about wasting time and money, what about all the discrimination complaints that will arise once it is 'okay' to be gay. what about the gay couples that will demand marriage, housing, & allowances. what about the fraternization charges that will arise?
and this ridiculous baloney about "having to lie" is phony sensitivity BS, who really cares??
@cloudshe Have you actually taken the time to read the military's implementation plan, or are you just talking off the cuff. The plan does NOT treat sexual preference as a "protected status" like religion or ethnicity, so discrimination is not an issue. Again, do your research before you post.
There is nothing phony about truthfulness and integrity.
@FAHayek89 well thank god for that. i wonder what happens when joe S makes a pass at john D and joe gets called a Fag? oh i suppose your 'research' says that that would never happen
if you really think truthfulness and integrity are such wonderful traits, why don't you take on ADM Mullen who cooked the Survey to get the results the administration wanted??
@cloudshe Tou need to think about who is being political. The vast majority of service members see no issue for unit effectiveness if there is a change. The Chair and Vice Chair of the JCS think a change would be positive. The majority of living and recently deceased former Chairmen of the JCS support(ed) a change. The vast majority of the U.S. population supports a change. Society both in and out of the military is on one side, and McCain is on the other, making him the social engineer.
@FAHayek89 'vast majority" my butt, that's the kind of info you get when you purposely ask questions loaded to agree with your agenda. why didn't they ask the 'vast majority' of americans who are likely to join the military whether They want to serve with openly gay servicepersons?
don't think for a Moment that mullen's selection to CJCS didn't hinge on his support of repealing DADT. and don't believe for a Second that if you disagreed w/ Mullen you weren't told STFU
@FAHayek89 fm Wash Times 1dec: From the outset, the Pentagon had no interest in eliciting honest responses from the troops about whether the law outlawing homosexual conduct in the ranks should be preserved or repealed. Instead, soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines were addressed in terms implying that repeal is inevitable....The final report's release is a last-ditch effort to provide Democratic members of Congress the cover they need to ram through the law's repeal in the lame-duck session.
@cloudshe Sorry. I took the survey, and that isn't accurate in the least. Nor is the editorial page of the Washington Times is hardly an authoritative source of fact. It is a source of opinion, and I'm not quite sure how they were able to divine the intent of the Pentagon.
You also fail to address the fact that the vast majority of COMBAT Marines and COMBAT Arms soldiers in the Army who have knowingly served with homosexuals said that a change would have little or positive effect.
@FAHayek89 again, your opinion is noted. you can pick and chose who you consider to be "authoritative" to prove your point, but in the end the future will tell, not some rigged questionaire designed to put a happy face on homosexuality
and what criteria will you base the effectiveness of the repeal? re-enlistment/recruitment rate of heterosexuals? downturn in army suicide stats? percent of non-citizens in our forces? nothing negative will be reported, the brass always bows to the media
@FAHayek89 then why did Senior Military Officers make such a Charade of asking the opinion of those who are actually forced to Work with the gays??
you know what's irrelevant imo? the happy face that our entertainment industry puts on gays coping with our society and vice versa. reality is DADT works Fine in the military, look at what a mistake it was to allow Women to bring their openly-girly crap into the services, let's get more serious about defending our country
@FAHayek89 wrong. the majority do not want homos to serve in the military. becaue the majority of people willin to suffer and die are traditional people and not Cal Berkely elitists.
@rugger8541 Check the poll numbers. You are empirically wrong about what the majority of Americans think. polls show 58-75% of Americans favored repeal including a majority of self-identified conservatives. Facts are such pesky things, aren't they?
I have never met the man but have on occasion voted for him. He has become a shell of himself, pandering to the likes of the American Religious Right Taliban who dominate the once great Republican Party.
Just wondering if he may be a closet case. Many of the most vehement anti gay "leaders" have been caught with their *ahem* pants down. Just wonderin'.
@harj2009 You seem confused. No one is talking about gay marriage. Maybe you thought you were in another room.
By the way, which McCain views to you respect. The ones two years ago when he said he would support the change, or the ones now that he doesn't? The ones when he opposed the tax cuts, or now, when he supports the same cuts? The ones in which he wants UCMJ to cover sexual behavior, or the ones when he was in the Navy, violating UCMJ by committing adultery (illegal in the military).
Hmm..Pedophiles force their will on children. Gays are two consenting adults who force their will on anyone. That isn’t a tough concept, but somehow you don’t seem to get it. You might want to invest in a dictionary.
@toiseywoisey youre an idiot. McCain was a "maverick" 20 years ago. he sold out in his last run for office and is nothing more than a befuddled old fart who used to have some concept of reality. McCain is a sellout and has no respect for the constitution. So FUCK YOU moron
Besides, I'm pretty sure the gay people who WANT to serve in the military are probably some of the most conservative. They are NOT the kind of people like Perez Hilton or Michael Buckley. They're not gonna be "acting gay" or trying to molest heterosexual men or anything like that. Besides, so what if they DO use some gay mannerisms while serving? Why does that matter, so long as they do their duties, fight hard, and protect their fellow servicemen and women?
@whoo689 Policies like DADT are based on stereotypes, fear and ignorance. If John McCain, for instance, actually KNEW all the gay soldiers in the military, and esp. the ones who were discharged, he'd have a MUCH different view of this. He'd realize that they are patriotic, decent Americans who are not rapists or anything of the sort. They're not predators who will sodomize their heterosexual counterparts in barracks in the dark of night.
@whoo689 And how can ANYONE say that this policy has "worked"?? WORKED FOR WHOM?? Bigoted generals, troops and ultraconservative douchebags in the conservative movement and Religious Right? Tell me how discharging hundreds, if not thousands, of Arab linguists during our time in Iraq and Afghanistan POSSIBLY helps our cause.
Tell me how discharging a bunch of intel officers in the military just for being gay helps us.
WTF is McCain talking about in the last 30 seconds or so?? He sounds like he's just wasting time and wants to hear himself bloviate. So a person who comments at a fucking hearing that he was invited to can't say his opinion "without taking into consideration the view of Congress"? Uh... buddy. YOU ARE CONGRESS. You work for us! We voted you, and we can throw your ass out on the street in 2012, dipshit. You're just butthurt that you lost in '08.
Gays are ALREADY in the military, you assholes! They're just not OPEN about it because of the law. All this would do is let them be themselves and be honest. It won't change things that much.
...I normally don't agree with McCain on most issues, but he makes so much more sense here than ever before when running for Presidential Electian 2008! Civilians [gays or straight : Regardless of gender] You are a number and rank - ONLY! Bound by FEDERAL LAWS. Major difference here!
The luxury did once have as a civvy, expires immediatly once the moment that pen touches that paper/document with that, John Hancock - for serving 4 years ACTIVE DUTY for your country. ...MORONS! During wartime?
Thank goodness Gates doesn't answer to anyone except the President of the United States and not to some homophobic senator who is a war hero himself and ought to know better.
Why repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell when it worked among the Republican politicians (senate, congress, governor etc)! It's a fact that a lot of Republican politicians who are gay and are still in the closet! It worked well for the GOP, why repeal it?! For obvious reasons the Republicans favors it!
The Republican Party exists merely as the enablers of big business and the banking system. The general public has nothing whatsoever to gain from any GOP dealings
McCain has shown himself to be nothing more than a "cranky" old man with unwavering bigotry that keeps our beloved soldiers from being able to see their loved ones off, share life stories in times of combat, get health coverage, etc. In 1993, nearly 70% of people opposed gay marriage, which does not necessarily speak to military readiness, but now public opinion is split 50-50. When asked about repeal of DADT, the public OVERWHELMINGLY favors repeal.
I find it interesting that McCain likes to criticize President Obama for not listening to public opinion on repealing health care reform, which actually does more good than harm, but he goes against public opinion on DADT repeal. Hypocritical? Absolutely.
Thankfully, this man lost the president, and the right man won.
When we were passing Civil Rights legislation, did we do a STUDY to see how the whites would respond if blacks were given equal rights? During the suffrage movement, did they do a STUDY to see if men wanted women to have the right to vote? Did Lincoln commission a STUDY to see if people would have a problem with the idea of abolishing slavery? This is BS.
I don't think Sentator McCain listened to Admiral Mullen's testimony. Mullen said very clearly and emphatically near the beginning of his statement that it was his solely his personal opinion that he was expressing. Wasn't it a hearing on the part of Congress to solicit the opinions of the officials there?
How telling it is that McCain, who claims to listen to his military advisers, ignores his military advisers on an issue that is in conflict with the agenda of the Republican politicians, who depend on money from the christian coalition. Let those who have served and who serve NOW be the deciders on this issue. McCain still calls Vietnamese people, "Gooks". People who support McCain in his career are brain dead FOX news fans.
McCain, go muff yourself. retire. Old geezer. They mentioned both that congress has to pass it. Nice political theater. I hope AZ has the balls to vote someone else in.
Your judgement is poor, you ran your campaign like an idiot. You have no clue on any issue foriegn or domestic. And you pick a bimbo from Alaska as your running mate.
PLEASE AZ!! DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE IN!!!
Actually, McCain's point here is exactly 100% dead on. The executive branch doesn't just decide by themselves, they have to ask Congress first.
Demanding Congress be the ones that create laws, as the constitution states, or are at least consulted first before a new law is decided = cranky? Que?
SURE, there are Gay's in the military, But are we ready for the HOMOSEXUALS to be able to prance around openly? Personalty I don't care if a solder is gay if he or SHE is willing to stand on the front lines and fight for our freedom.
What the real issue here is a few wanting to go AROUND the proper channels to push this though.Gay's in the military? you can't keep them out, but I am a enlisted veteran telling you we don't need openly gay's in the military, as sad as that may sound.
@mccullars, Wrong. dead wrong. Gay military members have more than enough sense to prance around straight, and more importantly, around anti-gay people to annoy or draw attention. Any gay person with enough sense knows better than that. Period. What this is, is is an issue of homophobia, and more importantly a issue of integrity for gay military service members as individuals and us as an institution. Don't Ask, Don't Tell NEEDS to be repealed!
@chriscwirla Obliviously you are gay, What I am saying is go join the military,fight, serve, be happy.I DON'T CARE....You have to admit it some, I'm not saying you but some seem to have the need to throw it out there... AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT.
If a solider is gay as long as he or she keeps that private ..cool,
When your a soldier you are not an individual at all,....GAY or STRAIT
@Mccullars. LOL, I am gay because I believe that DADT needs to be repealed? Well aren't you quick to judge! And see. .. that is EXACTLY the problem with you and every other American out there who have this stereotypical belief that gays can't be disciplined. Do you realize that right now, U.S. military men and women across seas are sleeping and working with hundreds of OPENLY gay miiltary service members from other countries? How ironic is that?
Look if you want to be in the military GAY or STRAIT you give up on really having a life, believe me you are not there and they don't pay you (what little you get) to have a life.
It's like being a CATHOLIC PRIEST there are things we ask you refrain from doing...like sucking cock, if you don't like it don't join...
@ Mccullars. I try to create dialogue that adds substance to this video and credible points about why the DADT doesn't work and yet you keep coming back with more irradical and flawed claims, accusations and comparisons. And every time you write, your sounding dumber and more ignorant! LOL! Your fun to troll with though I give you that!
And to directly answer your last question -Don't worry. . . I'll NEVER tell ;) . . . .
All I'm saying is I personally as well as most of the soldiers that I have served with find the entire subject distracting....BUT I suppose that MAY be one of the reasons Obama is doing this right now....
Like I have said before in the military YOU don't belong to yourself strait or gay....and if they (THE MILITARY) wants to discharge you, YOU don't have to be gay, they will find a reason.... in 30 seconds...
@ RuflessRecords No he solution is don't ask don't tell....
In the military you are not a individual, so you can't be gay...your a solider.
I don't walk around proclaiming I'm strait.
I walk around telling everyone around me I'm an AMERICAN Solider. It doesn't matter if I'm strait or gay...so why announce it...to be honest I believe a majority of queers would still rather not say.
We don't need them skipping around base holding hands.
@Mccullars. I agree that when your in the military, it does NOT matter whether your gay OR straight for as long as your doing job, right? But when these gay and straight troops come home, the straights can go home to their loved one or live a bachelor's life and be at NO risk of being discharged from the military yet a gay troop, if caught, having a significant other or worse, MARRIED and has a family, is discharged from the military with no questions asked. How is that fair? Its NOT!
Incomprehensible old fart. He does have a point though that Gates' statement makes an unverified presumption in saying there is no question of WHY it should be repealed, only HOW. That's simply not true. There hasn't been a referendum to determine public support for the idea. I'm openly gay, but I'm also pro-democracy.
That said, I served in the US Army (97E/35M) and I know other gays that serve discreetly, faithfully and honorably and I severely hope the public would give them the same respect.
I'm sure gay male soldiers sporting pink thongs would absolutely terrify potential Muslim enemies around the world. Instead of drill songs to march in step to maybe they can blast "YMCA" whilst marching into battle.
@ Nickelodeon2002....you know the same thing was said during WW II, when blacks we not allowed to fight.
"what are they going to throw fried chicken at the Nazis?" Besides I am sure that gay men would frighten the enemy to death, since they can't be naked in front of anyone but their mother.
No out queers in the military. Keep your despicable, shamefully perverse, unbelievably degraded and filthy sex acts to yourself. Then you can still serve.
Part of the problem is introducing a romantic element into the battlefield which does not exist today. This was/is part of the problem with women serving, especially in combat, putting people attracted to each other out at some lonely outpost for long periods of time...trouble in the making.
Wait a minute the US military already have a sizable problem with the sexual harrassment and rape of female service personal already? It seems that it's more dangerous to be a straight female in the military than a straight guy? I don't think it's an issue of sexual preference rather it's a institutional problem over prosecuting sexual harrassment in the military?
On the other hand, maybe being in constant fear of getting butt-raped will make lazy grunts more aware of their combat environment?
"I'm glad we still have a congress" (to make this decision)... meaning: HIM. The old shit is a megalomaniac. Thank God he wasn't made president. What a turd.
DADT is a joke, those risking THEIR lifes for YOU AND ME in a time of war...while youre on your fat ass playing WOW and watching youtube judging ppl that gay person is on the front lines fighting for the nation... have more respect for soldiers both male and female and this includes giving them the right to express themselves however they choose
Go liberallosers! McCain should be pissed. Why is the military taking a political position?
Also, Congress should repeal DADT. It's a backwards law and shameful to our national principles. McCain's right because another one of our national principles is a non political military. They obey Congress's laws just like us. Obama is the executive - his job is to enforce those laws. He's free to advocate anything, it just doesn't matter what his position on DADT is until Congress passes the law.
DADT is a joke, those risking THEIR lifes for YOU AND ME in a time of war...while youre on your fat ass playing WOW and watching youtube judging ppl that gay person is on the front lines fighting for the nation... have more respect for soldiers both male and female and this includes giving them the right to express themselves however they choose
What a brilliant comment, one that see's no difference in being a POW compared one that is incarcerated for breaking the law. Not only do you look past the fact that the Senator has served the nation, you have stereotyped hillbillies that look like you, haha
Of course this video didn't show the comments that McCain was referring to.
That was Gates saying that they were moving ahead with ending DADT (passed under Clinton). The fact is that DADT is currently the LAW and they can't repeal it without Congress.
Gates also says that he is not giving his own opinion on the topic, but that he is following orders from the Commander-in-Chief. The CIC also is required to go through Congress to change a law.
Meghan McCain is not going to be happy about Republicans shitting all over the gays, as is their wont. Let's see if Grahamnesty defends his people or sells them out, once again.
1) Pressured Rep. Alcee Hastings to withdraw an amendment that would have prevented the military from using money to carry out the provisions of DADT.
2) Defended the DADT policy in court (in May '09) and let the appeal expire saying DADT "rationally related to the government's legitimate interest in military discipline and cohesion."
Hmmmm? I guess they too were "shitting all over the gays"
"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, senator, we ought to change the policy (DADT), then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it because those leaders in the military are the ones we give the responsibility to."
- Senator John McCain in 2006
Seriously, fuck you Senator. You sold out your country and ideals to appease a bunch of wingnuts. "Country First," haha, what a joke.
@Converge88 Bullshit! the military "leaders" are against DADT. just a few wimps like mullen who has never seen combat favor repeal. the Army and Marine Corps (who's been doin all the fighting for the last 9 years) want it kept in place.
ah jeez, who woke Grampy McInsane up for teh gayz talk? and why won't these people understand he spent 5 YEARS BEING TORTURED...IN VIETNAM?!!! and having sex with only men for 5 WHOLE YEARS in that hell hole (hey that's what they called it?) made him very ANTI-gayz!!!
@1noen1 you would probably be upset if someone made an insensitive remark about obama being un-white, yet you rag on mccain's age. maybe when you start to get it, you will keep your stupid remarks to yourself
@1noen1 McCain’s flip-flop on this issue is disgusting, but your statement is absurd and you know it.
McCain did what just about everyone else in the Hanoi Hilton did after enough torture. He broke and gave in. You would have as well. The best work in psychology shows that nearly everyone has a breaking point after enough physical torture.
McCain’s flip flops are sickening enough that there is no need to make up absurd tripe about him.
My shipmate is on record, long ago, saying if the JCS came to him recommending repeal of DADT, that in itself would convince him of its timeliness. Well... once again, he's not as good as his word.
The Republicans, including John McCain, have been saying all along that we need to listen to our commanders and give them what they need. And now we have the highest uniformed officer saying we need to repeal this law. Get with, gramps!
Does that also apply to Obama listening to the commander he appointed to head-up the war in Afghanistan when he wanted way more troops than he was given?
Should have left McCain in that cage in the jungle.
RoyalOakDude 11 months ago 3
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Let's be clear. Mc Cain knows the military. He is was a POW for over 5 years in Vietnam. They broke his arms until he could not raise them over his shoulder. WHY ?? Because the Viets had wicked gays in their army anf the USA had none. So Mc Cain had to suck yellow dicks and could not raise his arms above his shoulders. All he could do was scratch balls with his fragile fingers as dicks forced their way down his throat. Would you want gays in the military if that happenned to you?
FromViewAbove 1 year ago
John McCain Speaks the TRUTH!
pastorg22 1 year ago
@pastorg22 Pastor, do you also believe that the military ought to ban out of wedlock hetrosexual sex and prevent Soldiers and Marines from going to strip clubs?
FAHayek89 1 year ago
how is this somehow an issue about members serving honestly, not having to lie?
fudgepacker Mullen's survey was Incredibly dishonest and an insult to those in the military who will be forced to live with the outcome (or get out)
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe You offer no evidence that the survey was in any way "dishonest," which probably explains your need to name call (i.e. fudgepacker Mullen) as opposed to presenting rational arguments. When you decide to apply rational argument - a skill civilized people use in public discussions - please post again. Until then, your posts and opinions have no value. Oh, and yes, if you don't like it, you get out - that is true of all chain of command decisions in the military.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 do me a big favor and Skip the phony sensitivity. and your insinuation that all command decisions in the military are based on the good of the service is, what do the libs call it, disingenuous. you may believe your view of current events from a gay perspective is accurate, but it sure looks unfounded in reality to me, based on my experience. not just a few of us wonder at the wisdom of replacing warrior aggresiveness with the administrative might of blackshoes like mcMullen
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe I'm not sure what my "view of events" would be, though you have ignored some plain facts that I have cited and in your most "persuasive" post could only offer the opinion of a partisan newspaper editorial with no facts backing it up.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 funny how you proclaim your depiction of this situation as "facts" but others' views as "partisan". is it because you have no real "experience" to back up your "facts"?
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe Facts are empirics.
- Fact: No western state (including Israel and Britain) that repealed their ban saw a decrease in enlistment/re-enlistment.
- Fact: The vast majority of the COMBAT Marines and Soldiers who have served with homosexuals said the change would be irrelevant or positive. (You call the survey biased, but fail to explain how that empiric specifically is biased.)
- Fact: The majority of the public supports the change in every major poll.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@cloudshe As far as experience: Multiple combat tours at the tactical level, including in command positions of Armor and Airborne Cavalry Soldiers, in both Mechanized Infantry and light Airborne Infantry Brigades. Is that good enough for you for experience?
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 well, maybe in your Virtual Military where you are supreme commander all those things would work out okay. you seem to be of the notion that some highly educated(?), moral civilian would be an appropriate judge of how the military should be run. why don't you team up with the media and we can fire all those ex-warriors, you guys can take their place & our nation's defense will be run so much better
cloudshe 1 year ago
Do these combat-vet warriors/ex-warriors have enough experience for you?
GEN Petreaus, ISAF Cdr.
ADM Roughhead, Chief, Naval Ops.
ADM Cartwright, VC JCS
ADM(r) Crowe, Chair JCS
GEN(r) Powell, Chair JCS; NSA; SecState
GEN(r) Shalikashvili, Chair JCS
LTG(r) Christman, USMA Superintendent
ADM(r) Larson, CINCPAC; USNA Superintendent
Over 100 retired Generals and Admirals support the change. Somehow I am sure you would claim they somehow don’t have your expertise in national defense.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 and how many retired generals and admirals think it's horseshit? why do you leave out That tidbit? you want this to look like the repeal has OVERWHELMING support yet it does Not. and where were these guys when Bush was President???
time will tell, whatever the negative consequences, you can be sure they will be buried, just as the female absorption went down. end result a stronger military? we will see
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe So basically, your argument is that if it doesn't work, you were correct, and if it does work, it really failed and the failure was covered up, so you are still correct? If I understand your system, no matter what happens in the world - no matter how facts contradict your conclusions, you end up correct. Nothing could possibly prove you wrong. That must be a wonderful world you live in.
By the way, 75% and 85% are overwhelming.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 well, as EYE understand how youtube works, you title yr video w/ "DADT" and out come all the heterophobes ready to strike down any discussion from the opposition. so congratulations on all the folks who like your responses. mccain's complaints are germane, the military leadership bowed to obama's power & glory, the fix was in. but NEVER let it be said that this repeal was 'welcomed' by the folks in the military because of this BS survey. that would be a Big Obama Lie
cloudshe 1 year ago
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@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
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@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
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@cloudshe I would actually argue that the homosexual act is immoral, so I don't think I can fully appreciate a "gay perspective." At the same time, I am also morally opposed to heterosexual promiscuity and a number of other victimless acts, but see no justification for the military to ban them (and it currently does not). I can differentiate between my entire body of moral beliefs and the much smaller subset that ought to be enshrined into law.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
McCrank
dom44444 1 year ago
@MrRherron what kind of stupid statement was THAT? you ever been shot down or even shot AT?
cloudshe 1 year ago
Hell is empty, and all the devils are here...
OldBenFranklin 1 year ago
How many of you pussy posters served and suffered at the hands of the enemy like Senator McCain did--raise your soft, pot-smoking, butt scratching, liberal hands!
toiseywoisey 1 year ago 2
@toiseywoisey You forget something. He was released from confinement early by the Vietnamese and put up at the Hanoi Hilton because his daddy was a politician or US official. So while his buddies were still in the camps, he was at the Hilton. Yes, he suffered, but not like his buddies.
xander7ful 1 year ago
@xander7ful You're a liar Sir: From Wikipedia: McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.
toiseywoisey 1 year ago
@xander7ful as i recall mccain was shot down and landed IN downtown Hanoi. why would he NOT have been locked up in the Hilton?
your point is he didn't suffer enough?
cloudshe 1 year ago
@xander7ful wrong dumbass. McCain was never released. he remained until the end of the war.
rugger8541 1 year ago
@rugger8541 Yes, I know he wasn't released until the end of the war. But he was given special treatment after his capture because of his father.
xander7ful 1 year ago
@xander7ful yeah, his speacial treatment was ass beatings. that's it.
rugger8541 1 year ago
@xander7ful I'll argue that McCain is wrong on this issue, but your post is also wrong. McCain turned down an offer of early release and deserves tremendous respect for his integrity on that issue. (His integrity in other areas might be open for debate - devotion to his first wife, standing by previously stated political positions, etc.) In any case, none of that has direct bearing on his argument here.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@toiseywoisey -- John McCain trashed five jets killing many others and then got his stupid ass shot down in Nam. Then he made pro Viet Cong propaganda videos for them and betrayed his country. John McCain is a traitor.
1noen1 1 year ago
@1noen1 try dealing with reality for a change, no one wants to be a dumbass all their life
cloudshe 1 year ago
@1noen1 Said from the comfort of your living room in front of your computer. I don't suppose you have a lot of experience with torture, but I'm willing to bet that by applying enough of it, I could get you to make propaganda videos. Do you also consider James Stockdale a traitor? McCain is wrong here, but that is no reason to impeach his character in areas in which he deserves credit.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@toiseywoisey
did you?
PumaOPumaOPumaO 1 year ago
@toiseywoisey
Serving in the military doesn't make you automatically right and a good person, sorry.
PumaOPumaOPumaO 1 year ago
Aren't there any nursing home rooms available in AZ?
motstraumen 1 year ago
@motstraumen tell you what, you quit the insensitive remarks about age and i'll refrain from publicly wishing you gays some disease fm having unnatural sex
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe It seems to me that you are the gay one here, Cloud she
motstraumen 1 year ago
@motstraumen are you trying to hit on me?
cloudshe 1 year ago
I can't believe how sassy he is at the beginning: mockingly laughing, talking down with sarcasm... He sounds like a poorly disciplined 13 year old...
tberkel2 1 year ago
And McCain did the EXACT SAME THING today... it was like word-for-word instant replay of this even though the Generals brought him EVERYTHING he asked for... The old man needs a nap!
informatist 1 year ago
@informatist the whole point the senator was trying to make is that the 'survey' may have been biased (which was to be expected since gates & mullen are Clearly biased). the litmus test G & M had to submit to to get their JOBS fm the O people was to support repeal of DADT, and they are obviously toeing the line.
"why weren't the surveyees asked 'do you support repeal of DADT?' why was that question left out?" That was a major fault of the survey that mccain brought up
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe No, I'm sorry, you're wrong. The reason the specific "do you support repeal" Q. was left off of the survey is because it sends the wrong message to soldiers to ask them to vote on the legislation. And it does amount to a "vote", at least in their minds. The military is not a democracy. They surveyed the soldiers on EXACTLY what McCain asked them to the first time... but the whole survey is irrelevant and extraneous anyway - it should not be the focal point of the discussion.
informatist 1 year ago
@informatist the survey was skewed in order to make everyone believe that the military was OK with fags. it is not. it wasn't even made available to a vast number of units in combat. yes. wording does matter.
rugger8541 1 year ago
@rugger8541 I'm not sure where you get your information, but I got the survey in Iraq. You are correct. Wording matters, and it was worded exactly as it should have been. Privates don't vote on policy.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 3
@informatist that's bogus. who would better know the effect of the repeal than those serving in Real military conditions, not some 'manager' who hasn't bunked with others or had a meal that wasn't served to him on a set table for 20 plus years.
the obvious is that the question was specifically left out because Obama's military managers didn't want the wrong answer to be made public
if the focal point is "is DADT working well", the opinion of service members is pretty relevant, don't you think
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe The reason that the question was left out is that privates don't have the right to make policy. Senior military officers make military policy, and political leadership makes political policy. The answer to the question would have been irrelevant.
If you do want to look at numbers, the vast majority of the military think the change would have no effect or a positive effect. Of the combat arms branches, the majority who have knowingly served with a homosexual feel the same way.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 15
@FAHayek89 come ON now. then WHY did they ask for input fm ANYONE??? just ram it down their throats like a Harry Reid
McCain's complaint that the questionaire purposely dodged relevant input was valid, DADT works just fine for the military, this whole thing is political, why isn't that obvious to you?
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe 85% of COMBAT Marines who have knowing served with a homosexual claim that they would have no problem with gays openly serving according to the survey. An even higher number of Combat Arms soldiers in the Army answered in the same way. 70% of the military a whole had no problem. The point of the survey was to determine if the change could be feasibly implemented and at what cost, not to determine what everyone "wanted." The answer is clear. It is feasible and at very little cost.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 5
@FAHayek89 WashTimes: "....Those in combat roles - where unit cohesion and trust are life-and-death concerns - gave a different response. About half with combat experience said a change would have a negative or very negative impact in the field or at sea. Among Marine combat troops, two-thirds said combat readiness would suffer."
the survey was Clearly Rigged, admit it
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe The old policy doesn’t work. It wastes money and time in the legal process. It creates institutional approval for half-truths and lies. “Don’t tell” sounds good, but in reality, the only way to cover up the fact that a soldier is gay is for him to lie in daily conversation. Half-truths or lies corrupts the environment and makes other lies more acceptable. Lack of trust and dishonesty is far more corrective in combat than knowing who the guy next to you sleeps with when he goes home.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 5
@FAHayek89 you are completely disregarding the implications of what the 'right' to serve openly will mean. if you are so concerned about wasting time and money, what about all the discrimination complaints that will arise once it is 'okay' to be gay. what about the gay couples that will demand marriage, housing, & allowances. what about the fraternization charges that will arise?
and this ridiculous baloney about "having to lie" is phony sensitivity BS, who really cares??
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe Have you actually taken the time to read the military's implementation plan, or are you just talking off the cuff. The plan does NOT treat sexual preference as a "protected status" like religion or ethnicity, so discrimination is not an issue. Again, do your research before you post.
There is nothing phony about truthfulness and integrity.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 well thank god for that. i wonder what happens when joe S makes a pass at john D and joe gets called a Fag? oh i suppose your 'research' says that that would never happen
if you really think truthfulness and integrity are such wonderful traits, why don't you take on ADM Mullen who cooked the Survey to get the results the administration wanted??
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe Tou need to think about who is being political. The vast majority of service members see no issue for unit effectiveness if there is a change. The Chair and Vice Chair of the JCS think a change would be positive. The majority of living and recently deceased former Chairmen of the JCS support(ed) a change. The vast majority of the U.S. population supports a change. Society both in and out of the military is on one side, and McCain is on the other, making him the social engineer.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 10
@FAHayek89 'vast majority" my butt, that's the kind of info you get when you purposely ask questions loaded to agree with your agenda. why didn't they ask the 'vast majority' of americans who are likely to join the military whether They want to serve with openly gay servicepersons?
don't think for a Moment that mullen's selection to CJCS didn't hinge on his support of repealing DADT. and don't believe for a Second that if you disagreed w/ Mullen you weren't told STFU
cloudshe 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 fm Wash Times 1dec: From the outset, the Pentagon had no interest in eliciting honest responses from the troops about whether the law outlawing homosexual conduct in the ranks should be preserved or repealed. Instead, soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines were addressed in terms implying that repeal is inevitable....The final report's release is a last-ditch effort to provide Democratic members of Congress the cover they need to ram through the law's repeal in the lame-duck session.
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe Sorry. I took the survey, and that isn't accurate in the least. Nor is the editorial page of the Washington Times is hardly an authoritative source of fact. It is a source of opinion, and I'm not quite sure how they were able to divine the intent of the Pentagon.
You also fail to address the fact that the vast majority of COMBAT Marines and COMBAT Arms soldiers in the Army who have knowingly served with homosexuals said that a change would have little or positive effect.
FAHayek89 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 again, your opinion is noted. you can pick and chose who you consider to be "authoritative" to prove your point, but in the end the future will tell, not some rigged questionaire designed to put a happy face on homosexuality
and what criteria will you base the effectiveness of the repeal? re-enlistment/recruitment rate of heterosexuals? downturn in army suicide stats? percent of non-citizens in our forces? nothing negative will be reported, the brass always bows to the media
cloudshe 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 then why did Senior Military Officers make such a Charade of asking the opinion of those who are actually forced to Work with the gays??
you know what's irrelevant imo? the happy face that our entertainment industry puts on gays coping with our society and vice versa. reality is DADT works Fine in the military, look at what a mistake it was to allow Women to bring their openly-girly crap into the services, let's get more serious about defending our country
cloudshe 1 year ago
@FAHayek89 wrong. the majority do not want homos to serve in the military. becaue the majority of people willin to suffer and die are traditional people and not Cal Berkely elitists.
rugger8541 1 year ago
@rugger8541 Check the poll numbers. You are empirically wrong about what the majority of Americans think. polls show 58-75% of Americans favored repeal including a majority of self-identified conservatives. Facts are such pesky things, aren't they?
FAHayek89 1 year ago
I have never met the man but have on occasion voted for him. He has become a shell of himself, pandering to the likes of the American Religious Right Taliban who dominate the once great Republican Party.
Just wondering if he may be a closet case. Many of the most vehement anti gay "leaders" have been caught with their *ahem* pants down. Just wonderin'.
potion27 1 year ago
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potion27 1 year ago
I respect Mccain for his views
we dont need to be afraid of liberals, homosexuality is a lifestyle choice ! no gay marriage !!!!
harj2009 1 year ago
@harj2009 You seem confused. No one is talking about gay marriage. Maybe you thought you were in another room.
By the way, which McCain views to you respect. The ones two years ago when he said he would support the change, or the ones now that he doesn't? The ones when he opposed the tax cuts, or now, when he supports the same cuts? The ones in which he wants UCMJ to cover sexual behavior, or the ones when he was in the Navy, violating UCMJ by committing adultery (illegal in the military).
FAHayek89 1 year ago 3
@FAHayek89 are u fucking ignorant ? DADT is linked to gay rights
gay have enough rights idk what mccain says, gays dont deserve fuck all, they are modern day pedofiles
harj2009 1 year ago
@harj2009 "they are modern day pedofiles [sic]"
Hmm..Pedophiles force their will on children. Gays are two consenting adults who force their will on anyone. That isn’t a tough concept, but somehow you don’t seem to get it. You might want to invest in a dictionary.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 2
I'd love to beat the shit outta that pissy old man. McCain is a fuckin dipshit
drunkenboxer1985 1 year ago
@drunkenboxer1985
How dare you little punk. He's more man now than probably you and your whole family tree!
toiseywoisey 1 year ago
@toiseywoisey youre an idiot. McCain was a "maverick" 20 years ago. he sold out in his last run for office and is nothing more than a befuddled old fart who used to have some concept of reality. McCain is a sellout and has no respect for the constitution. So FUCK YOU moron
drunkenboxer1985 1 year ago
Besides, I'm pretty sure the gay people who WANT to serve in the military are probably some of the most conservative. They are NOT the kind of people like Perez Hilton or Michael Buckley. They're not gonna be "acting gay" or trying to molest heterosexual men or anything like that. Besides, so what if they DO use some gay mannerisms while serving? Why does that matter, so long as they do their duties, fight hard, and protect their fellow servicemen and women?
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 Policies like DADT are based on stereotypes, fear and ignorance. If John McCain, for instance, actually KNEW all the gay soldiers in the military, and esp. the ones who were discharged, he'd have a MUCH different view of this. He'd realize that they are patriotic, decent Americans who are not rapists or anything of the sort. They're not predators who will sodomize their heterosexual counterparts in barracks in the dark of night.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 And how can ANYONE say that this policy has "worked"?? WORKED FOR WHOM?? Bigoted generals, troops and ultraconservative douchebags in the conservative movement and Religious Right? Tell me how discharging hundreds, if not thousands, of Arab linguists during our time in Iraq and Afghanistan POSSIBLY helps our cause.
Tell me how discharging a bunch of intel officers in the military just for being gay helps us.
whoo689 1 year ago
WTF is McCain talking about in the last 30 seconds or so?? He sounds like he's just wasting time and wants to hear himself bloviate. So a person who comments at a fucking hearing that he was invited to can't say his opinion "without taking into consideration the view of Congress"? Uh... buddy. YOU ARE CONGRESS. You work for us! We voted you, and we can throw your ass out on the street in 2012, dipshit. You're just butthurt that you lost in '08.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 Of course, I'm not Arizonan, nor would I ever vote for McCain. I was just using the general "we".
whoo689 1 year ago
John McCain can get fucked.
Gays are ALREADY in the military, you assholes! They're just not OPEN about it because of the law. All this would do is let them be themselves and be honest. It won't change things that much.
whoo689 1 year ago
...I normally don't agree with McCain on most issues, but he makes so much more sense here than ever before when running for Presidential Electian 2008! Civilians [gays or straight : Regardless of gender] You are a number and rank - ONLY! Bound by FEDERAL LAWS. Major difference here!
The luxury did once have as a civvy, expires immediatly once the moment that pen touches that paper/document with that, John Hancock - for serving 4 years ACTIVE DUTY for your country. ...MORONS! During wartime?
Sileni 1 year ago
Thank goodness Gates doesn't answer to anyone except the President of the United States and not to some homophobic senator who is a war hero himself and ought to know better.
TheChitraBhatt 1 year ago
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Why repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell when it worked among the Republican politicians (senate, congress, governor etc)! It's a fact that a lot of Republican politicians who are gay and are still in the closet! It worked well for the GOP, why repeal it?! For obvious reasons the Republicans favors it!
s1nn3r2010 1 year ago
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The Republican Party exists merely as the enablers of big business and the banking system. The general public has nothing whatsoever to gain from any GOP dealings
schlummieleinchen 1 year ago
McCain look like Ed edd and Eddy with that jawbraker in his mouth
bevon17 1 year ago
McCain.... DROP DEAD! And take Sarah, George W. and Dick with you!!!!!!
fuhoney 1 year ago
McCain has shown himself to be nothing more than a "cranky" old man with unwavering bigotry that keeps our beloved soldiers from being able to see their loved ones off, share life stories in times of combat, get health coverage, etc. In 1993, nearly 70% of people opposed gay marriage, which does not necessarily speak to military readiness, but now public opinion is split 50-50. When asked about repeal of DADT, the public OVERWHELMINGLY favors repeal.
cstrosser 1 year ago
I find it interesting that McCain likes to criticize President Obama for not listening to public opinion on repealing health care reform, which actually does more good than harm, but he goes against public opinion on DADT repeal. Hypocritical? Absolutely.
Thankfully, this man lost the president, and the right man won.
cstrosser 1 year ago
Gates and Mullen should be fragged!
huskie767 1 year ago
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huskie767 1 year ago
i dont believe mccain, it just makes him look more stupid
kev4prez11 1 year ago
Somebody put this backwards old fart in a retirement home already.
Primalxbeast 1 year ago
To the Poster... Umm You skipped Sentor McCains Questions. Thats... Thats rather sad... actuly. You should go back and reput them in.
Vutxzzn2 1 year ago
When we were passing Civil Rights legislation, did we do a STUDY to see how the whites would respond if blacks were given equal rights? During the suffrage movement, did they do a STUDY to see if men wanted women to have the right to vote? Did Lincoln commission a STUDY to see if people would have a problem with the idea of abolishing slavery? This is BS.
Il00OOll 1 year ago
Mike Mullen is going to hell.
theapollomoonlanding 1 year ago
@theapollomoonlanding your going to hell
Love thy neighbor
earthmagekl7 1 year ago
I don't think Sentator McCain listened to Admiral Mullen's testimony. Mullen said very clearly and emphatically near the beginning of his statement that it was his solely his personal opinion that he was expressing. Wasn't it a hearing on the part of Congress to solicit the opinions of the officials there?
king7wood 1 year ago 2
mc cain needs the shut the fuck up no one w/ a brain gives a damb what that old retard has to say fuck u mccain
9722tommy 1 year ago
How telling it is that McCain, who claims to listen to his military advisers, ignores his military advisers on an issue that is in conflict with the agenda of the Republican politicians, who depend on money from the christian coalition. Let those who have served and who serve NOW be the deciders on this issue. McCain still calls Vietnamese people, "Gooks". People who support McCain in his career are brain dead FOX news fans.
SethKlan 2 years ago 8
@SethKlan if you don't understand the 'gook' comment, i bet you were never tortured for 6 years, verdad?
cloudshe 1 year ago
Gates and Mullen are nothing but sock puppets for Obama. Gates and Mullen should both be forced out of the military along with the homosexuals.
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
Wow! You're commenting here too? And another great, eloquent comment!
TheAgeofReason17941 2 years ago
McCain, go muff yourself. retire. Old geezer. They mentioned both that congress has to pass it. Nice political theater. I hope AZ has the balls to vote someone else in.
Your judgement is poor, you ran your campaign like an idiot. You have no clue on any issue foriegn or domestic. And you pick a bimbo from Alaska as your running mate.
PLEASE AZ!! DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE IN!!!
jmitterii2 2 years ago 2
YES! Someone like J.D. Hayworth!
BelieveIt1051 2 years ago
Actually, McCain's point here is exactly 100% dead on. The executive branch doesn't just decide by themselves, they have to ask Congress first.
Demanding Congress be the ones that create laws, as the constitution states, or are at least consulted first before a new law is decided = cranky? Que?
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
The comments at GovernmentFeedback. O rg are similar to those here.
sonicsix 2 years ago
Fuck you McCain. Everyone already knows what's best for this nation.
Joehio620 2 years ago
McCain's area of expertise was crashing his own fucking planes.
loonmaniac 2 years ago
SURE, there are Gay's in the military, But are we ready for the HOMOSEXUALS to be able to prance around openly? Personalty I don't care if a solder is gay if he or SHE is willing to stand on the front lines and fight for our freedom.
What the real issue here is a few wanting to go AROUND the proper channels to push this though.Gay's in the military? you can't keep them out, but I am a enlisted veteran telling you we don't need openly gay's in the military, as sad as that may sound.
mccullars 2 years ago
@mccullars, Wrong. dead wrong. Gay military members have more than enough sense to prance around straight, and more importantly, around anti-gay people to annoy or draw attention. Any gay person with enough sense knows better than that. Period. What this is, is is an issue of homophobia, and more importantly a issue of integrity for gay military service members as individuals and us as an institution. Don't Ask, Don't Tell NEEDS to be repealed!
chriscwirla 2 years ago
@chriscwirla Obliviously you are gay, What I am saying is go join the military,fight, serve, be happy.I DON'T CARE....You have to admit it some, I'm not saying you but some seem to have the need to throw it out there... AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT.
If a solider is gay as long as he or she keeps that private ..cool,
When your a soldier you are not an individual at all,....GAY or STRAIT
mccullars 2 years ago
@Mccullars. LOL, I am gay because I believe that DADT needs to be repealed? Well aren't you quick to judge! And see. .. that is EXACTLY the problem with you and every other American out there who have this stereotypical belief that gays can't be disciplined. Do you realize that right now, U.S. military men and women across seas are sleeping and working with hundreds of OPENLY gay miiltary service members from other countries? How ironic is that?
chriscwirla 2 years ago
@ chriscwirla AAHHHH! still can't reply HUH!
Look if you want to be in the military GAY or STRAIT you give up on really having a life, believe me you are not there and they don't pay you (what little you get) to have a life.
It's like being a CATHOLIC PRIEST there are things we ask you refrain from doing...like sucking cock, if you don't like it don't join...
And Chris did you serve in the military ?
Forget I asked, don't ask don't tell.
mccullars 2 years ago
@ Mccullars. I try to create dialogue that adds substance to this video and credible points about why the DADT doesn't work and yet you keep coming back with more irradical and flawed claims, accusations and comparisons. And every time you write, your sounding dumber and more ignorant! LOL! Your fun to troll with though I give you that!
And to directly answer your last question -Don't worry. . . I'll NEVER tell ;) . . . .
chriscwirla 2 years ago
@chriscwirla Don't worry I wont ask..LOL
All I'm saying is I personally as well as most of the soldiers that I have served with find the entire subject distracting....BUT I suppose that MAY be one of the reasons Obama is doing this right now....
Like I have said before in the military YOU don't belong to yourself strait or gay....and if they (THE MILITARY) wants to discharge you, YOU don't have to be gay, they will find a reason.... in 30 seconds...
I"M SORRY 4 ME IT'S A MORAL ISSUE.
mccullars 2 years ago
mccullars, the solution here is to leave it up to the soldiers themselves.
Majority rules: do you want out gays in the military or not.
Do a poll of service members every couple years, and base the policy on what the people actually fighting are most comfortable with.
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
@ RuflessRecords No he solution is don't ask don't tell....
In the military you are not a individual, so you can't be gay...your a solider.
I don't walk around proclaiming I'm strait.
I walk around telling everyone around me I'm an AMERICAN Solider. It doesn't matter if I'm strait or gay...so why announce it...to be honest I believe a majority of queers would still rather not say.
We don't need them skipping around base holding hands.
mccullars 2 years ago
mccullars, yes, let's leave it up to the troops to vote on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and let their vote carry the day
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
they are not going to leave it up to the troops...although I doubt the troops would repeal it.
mccullars 2 years ago
@Mccullars. I agree that when your in the military, it does NOT matter whether your gay OR straight for as long as your doing job, right? But when these gay and straight troops come home, the straights can go home to their loved one or live a bachelor's life and be at NO risk of being discharged from the military yet a gay troop, if caught, having a significant other or worse, MARRIED and has a family, is discharged from the military with no questions asked. How is that fair? Its NOT!
chriscwirla 2 years ago
Glad this old fart didn't become president. What century is he living in?
watch123456 2 years ago 6
@watch123456 yeah, we're much better 'moving forward" into Obama's Century of Disaster
cloudshe 1 year ago
@watch123456 YEAH. cause Obama has done soooooo welll.
rugger8541 1 year ago
arrogant ass. who is also fading into irrelevancy due to these many instances of hypocrisy.
scrubjay93 2 years ago 2
Incomprehensible old fart. He does have a point though that Gates' statement makes an unverified presumption in saying there is no question of WHY it should be repealed, only HOW. That's simply not true. There hasn't been a referendum to determine public support for the idea. I'm openly gay, but I'm also pro-democracy.
That said, I served in the US Army (97E/35M) and I know other gays that serve discreetly, faithfully and honorably and I severely hope the public would give them the same respect.
upstandingj 2 years ago 2
You don't have to be straight to shoot straight.
orga210 2 years ago
what a fucking old turd.
tmz90 2 years ago 2
I'm sure gay male soldiers sporting pink thongs would absolutely terrify potential Muslim enemies around the world. Instead of drill songs to march in step to maybe they can blast "YMCA" whilst marching into battle.
Nickelodeon2002 2 years ago
@ Nickelodeon2002....you know the same thing was said during WW II, when blacks we not allowed to fight.
"what are they going to throw fried chicken at the Nazis?" Besides I am sure that gay men would frighten the enemy to death, since they can't be naked in front of anyone but their mother.
redfistaor 2 years ago
rofl Nickelodeon
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
What about black people? they should have don't ax don't tell,
tonechaser56 2 years ago
tone, now that was unfortunate
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
No out queers in the military. Keep your despicable, shamefully perverse, unbelievably degraded and filthy sex acts to yourself. Then you can still serve.
Part of the problem is introducing a romantic element into the battlefield which does not exist today. This was/is part of the problem with women serving, especially in combat, putting people attracted to each other out at some lonely outpost for long periods of time...trouble in the making.
Best to keep it non-sexual between troops.
RuflessRecords 2 years ago
Get over yourself.
Not everyone wants a piece of your ass. People don't join the military to get laid, that's what gay bars are for.
orga210 2 years ago
Wait a minute the US military already have a sizable problem with the sexual harrassment and rape of female service personal already? It seems that it's more dangerous to be a straight female in the military than a straight guy? I don't think it's an issue of sexual preference rather it's a institutional problem over prosecuting sexual harrassment in the military?
On the other hand, maybe being in constant fear of getting butt-raped will make lazy grunts more aware of their combat environment?
komorokiwi 2 years ago 3
"I'm glad we still have a congress" (to make this decision)... meaning: HIM. The old shit is a megalomaniac. Thank God he wasn't made president. What a turd.
Philinspaces 2 years ago 2
DADT is a joke, those risking THEIR lifes for YOU AND ME in a time of war...while youre on your fat ass playing WOW and watching youtube judging ppl that gay person is on the front lines fighting for the nation... have more respect for soldiers both male and female and this includes giving them the right to express themselves however they choose
acuradan623 2 years ago
@acuradan623 Did you mean to reply to me? I mean it seems like we agree about everything, except I don't play WOW.
wschluch 1 year ago
Go liberallosers! McCain should be pissed. Why is the military taking a political position?
Also, Congress should repeal DADT. It's a backwards law and shameful to our national principles. McCain's right because another one of our national principles is a non political military. They obey Congress's laws just like us. Obama is the executive - his job is to enforce those laws. He's free to advocate anything, it just doesn't matter what his position on DADT is until Congress passes the law.
wschluch 2 years ago
DADT is a joke, those risking THEIR lifes for YOU AND ME in a time of war...while youre on your fat ass playing WOW and watching youtube judging ppl that gay person is on the front lines fighting for the nation... have more respect for soldiers both male and female and this includes giving them the right to express themselves however they choose
acuradan623 2 years ago
I bet McShame took it up the poop shoot in prison!
Maybe he's a little homo-phobic like all you other hillbillys that have been in prison!
EFISHANT 2 years ago
What a brilliant comment, one that see's no difference in being a POW compared one that is incarcerated for breaking the law. Not only do you look past the fact that the Senator has served the nation, you have stereotyped hillbillies that look like you, haha
tem0219 2 years ago
its not the government business who i fuck, man or woman. Move on from 1950 man!
olejac 2 years ago
@olejac , you forgot sheep. you probably have your cock in one right now
tonechaser56 2 years ago
that sounds more like your fantasy, but heck if thats what you like (or more, what you can get), then who am I to say anything.
olejac 2 years ago
Of course this video didn't show the comments that McCain was referring to.
That was Gates saying that they were moving ahead with ending DADT (passed under Clinton). The fact is that DADT is currently the LAW and they can't repeal it without Congress.
Gates also says that he is not giving his own opinion on the topic, but that he is following orders from the Commander-in-Chief. The CIC also is required to go through Congress to change a law.
liberallosers 2 years ago
GEEZER :An old man, particularly one who is either cranky or eccentric.
Yep!
Fits him perfectly!
OLD FART too
JoeinWashDC 2 years ago
Meghan McCain is not going to be happy about Republicans shitting all over the gays, as is their wont. Let's see if Grahamnesty defends his people or sells them out, once again.
BrendanM4458 2 years ago
@BrainndeadM4458
It was a Democratic President that passed DADT. Was he "shitting all over the gays" too?
liberallosers 2 years ago
Since taking office, the Obama WH has:
1) Pressured Rep. Alcee Hastings to withdraw an amendment that would have prevented the military from using money to carry out the provisions of DADT.
2) Defended the DADT policy in court (in May '09) and let the appeal expire saying DADT "rationally related to the government's legitimate interest in military discipline and cohesion."
Hmmmm? I guess they too were "shitting all over the gays"
liberallosers 2 years ago
"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, senator, we ought to change the policy (DADT), then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it because those leaders in the military are the ones we give the responsibility to."
- Senator John McCain in 2006
Seriously, fuck you Senator. You sold out your country and ideals to appease a bunch of wingnuts. "Country First," haha, what a joke.
Converge88 2 years ago 8
@Converge88 how is that "selling out your country"? do You feel sold out?
the statement you posted here is certainly consistent with what McCain just said in the video. am i missing something?
cloudshe 1 year ago
@Converge88 Bullshit! the military "leaders" are against DADT. just a few wimps like mullen who has never seen combat favor repeal. the Army and Marine Corps (who's been doin all the fighting for the last 9 years) want it kept in place.
rugger8541 1 year ago
ah jeez, who woke Grampy McInsane up for teh gayz talk? and why won't these people understand he spent 5 YEARS BEING TORTURED...IN VIETNAM?!!! and having sex with only men for 5 WHOLE YEARS in that hell hole (hey that's what they called it?) made him very ANTI-gayz!!!
oneirishpoet 2 years ago
@oneirishpoet
You're a dumbass.
liberallosers 2 years ago
@oneirishpoet is that how you gays think? pretty good reason to keep you folks in the closet if you want to serve
cloudshe 1 year ago
Sit down gramps and eat your prunes.
1noen1 2 years ago
@1noen1 you would probably be upset if someone made an insensitive remark about obama being un-white, yet you rag on mccain's age. maybe when you start to get it, you will keep your stupid remarks to yourself
cloudshe 1 year ago
@cloudshe -- John McCain betrayed his country and made propaganda videos for the Viet Cong while staying at the Hanoi Hilton.
1noen1 1 year ago
@1noen1 your comments just get sillier and sillier
cloudshe 1 year ago
@1noen1 McCain’s flip-flop on this issue is disgusting, but your statement is absurd and you know it.
McCain did what just about everyone else in the Hanoi Hilton did after enough torture. He broke and gave in. You would have as well. The best work in psychology shows that nearly everyone has a breaking point after enough physical torture.
McCain’s flip flops are sickening enough that there is no need to make up absurd tripe about him.
FAHayek89 1 year ago 4
Homos? In MY imperial war machine?
It's more likely than you think...
4whiskey20 2 years ago 4
My shipmate is on record, long ago, saying if the JCS came to him recommending repeal of DADT, that in itself would convince him of its timeliness. Well... once again, he's not as good as his word.
voyeurdug 2 years ago 2
The Republicans, including John McCain, have been saying all along that we need to listen to our commanders and give them what they need. And now we have the highest uniformed officer saying we need to repeal this law. Get with, gramps!
ocmozfan 2 years ago 3
@ocmozfan
Does that also apply to Obama listening to the commander he appointed to head-up the war in Afghanistan when he wanted way more troops than he was given?
liberallosers 2 years ago