Scarecrow Labs - 2009 AEPC Preview Teaser

[noimw]

Why I do NOT have an HHO device on my Vehicle .

It takes about 20 amps of current to produce 2 liters per min. of HHO.

My vehicle cruising at 2,000 RPM uses about 2,000 liters of air/fuel mix every minute. That is 2 parts HHO to 2,000 parts of air/fuel.

That reduced down is.....

1/10th of 1% or One part HHO to 1,000 parts of air/fuel.

Now logic and common sense should tell you that is not going to make any difference in MPG.

Now you have to subtract the power it took to make the HHO.

[mvlady]

I found a way to make over 50 lpm under 20 amps

how can i make money of it?

[SmartScarecrow]

I am not qualified to advise you in this area ... I would be seeking a patent attorney as a first step, then an agent to market the technology ... there is no "fast money" to be made in this technology as far as I can tell ... most of us are giving it away for free ...

[mvlady]

Yes you are right, i am building a prototype that should b ready by the end of summer if anything i will share, i just want some credit for it, after all it is a smart invention, and i dont want to be silenced by uncle sam so if i do it i got to do it loud

[NOBOX7]

@SmartScarecrow wen do we get to see this thing, or do i just need to look bettr for the vid, i love your builds, sry for being such a pric in the past

[SmartScarecrow]

@NOBOX7 - this setup was built to demonstrate running a small engine on 100% hydroxy gas - the public demonstration was performed at the alternative energy show held May of 2009 in Wlaldorf Maryland - I have not done much with the apparatus since that time as other projects and a rather weak economy have gotten in the way of continued experimentation ...

[eddiefreddie39]

I'm putting this on my schedule. Really looking forward to the show. Can I bring my geet lawnmower?

[SmartScarecrow]

if you bring it, there will be a place made for you somewhere so that you can demonstrate it ... as far as I know, there is no official sign up requirement for exhibitors ... I did coordinate my attendance with Larry Jarboe, the organizer of the event, due to my requirements for an AC outlet for me to put on my demonstrations ... the web site for the conference is in the side bar if you want to follow up on it ...

[pat1huey]

I wish I could be there. Maybe next year, we shall see....

[Davehho1]

SmartScarecrow

... brute force on steroids ... I have a larger one that runs on 240vAC rectified at about 40 amps .... I do not have a delivery system yet that makes it safe to operate ...

Hey SSC, I have a couple of 50 gallon drums you can use for bubblers ! lol

[SmartScarecrow]

I dunno ... the wall thickness on them 50 gallon drums is a bit light ... maybe if I encase them in steel reinforced concrete ... hmmm ... sure would be nice to have that kind of fluid volume ... lemme get back to you on that one ... but then everyone will ask me how I intend to mount that beast in my car ... LOL ...

[Alkhemista]

So the main problem is the heat produced, the cells' weight, the cells' size, and where the energy comes from.

if you were to put this into a car then by a broad calculation, a car battery produces avg 40 amps at 12 volts; which is 480 watts. unfortunately, avg alternator charges at 50 amps at 17 volts, for a total of 850 watts.

That would mean you would need 5 car batteries and 3 alternators to power the thing.

[SmartScarecrow]

I do not put these in cars ... that aspect just don't interest me ... so I am not at all concerned with the size, weight or power requirements ... my experiments are focused in other areas ...

heat has never really been a problem for me ... normal operating temperature of my device is about 120F ... some of the materials I use would be damaged if temps greater than 150F were sustained for a long period of time ..

I typically consume 1000-3000 watts during my experiments. 120v @ 10 is normal.

[Rufe0]

nice

[earthhydro]

i am going and want to see. i have built a power waveform generator that has 10 frequencies that can be varied to go in any sequence and since all can vary amplitude the 10 fr pulse train can also be made to have a space between any of 10 fr for any gate etc. other words 4017 sequencer driven by 10 555's and then drives power mosfets. good to 55 khz. oh well...i do not know if i can assemble water cell in time for aep or not. brute force only huh? i don't blame you...i havent yet beat brute dc

[SmartScarecrow]

yes ... brute force on steroids ... this rig is designed for 120vAC rectified at about 20 amps or so ... I have a larger one that runs on 240vAC rectified at about 40 amps ... but the big one is not going to the show ... I do not have a delivery system yet that makes it safe to operate ...

[hhotechnology]

very interesting, can we see it?

[SmartScarecrow]

I showed pics of if in a video some months ago ... same pattern design I use on this one but 144 plates instead of 72 ... identical design and uses standard 8" EBN style steel ... custom end plates by genolizer ... same type of device I have used for over a year now ... but the mega monster weighs in at nearly 100 lbs, is hard to handle and I have to disconnect my wife's stove to power it ... so it dont get run much ... LOL ...

[hhotechnology]

i actually replied that to earthhydro s comment above......but thanks....very interesting also...lol

[SmartScarecrow]

there is a push/pull effect ... and a VERY fast camera ...

to see it, you will need a large diameter piston in sealed cylinder with a very short stroke ... I cannot discuss details as I am under a non disclosure on this device ... there is a patent pending ... it may be as much as a year before we can show the device and discuss its characteristics openly ... be patient ...

[llewgnal]

Good Luck

[HHOPWR]

I only dream of being as advanced as you. Keep up the chase, I am going to try amd catch you. FAT CHANCE!

Larry

[SmartScarecrow]

don't be so humble ... you are pushing the envelope in many areas ... some of what you are working on now I hope to make use of next year ... keep the faith ... press forward ...

[HHOPWR]

I am already finding flaws and figuring out the solutions. First give this some thought. NO MUTIPLUE STACKS. They reduce effeciency!

[SmartScarecrow]

agreed ...

but my focus is productivity ... my efficiency is modest at best ... 5.5 mmw @120F on a good day ... but I am making 10 lpm without breaking a sweat ... can do 20 lpm if I push it ...

for now I need the multiple stack design both to support the weight of the 8"x8" plates and to ensure adequate fluid/gas flow rates ...

work needs to be done in both areas ... we will meet in the middle some day ...

[Alkhemista]

you are pulling 20 lpm if you push it, that is powerful enough to run a two stroke engine (motorcycle). two of those bad boys could run a car. how much does the beast weigh? another problem would be where would the energy (electricity) come from? I think I might have the answer.

[SmartScarecrow]

my devices run off rectified wall current ... the one I am taking to the show in Waldorf MD the end of this May is designed to run on 120vAC @ 20a ... that's 2400 watts of energy ...

to get it to do 20 lpm, I need to over drive it well beyond design spec and can only do this for very short runs without it over heating ...

its not the type thing you might strap onto a motorcycle ... it weighs nearly 100 lbs with all the bubblers, plumbing, power supplies and fluid required ...

[marthale7]

Wow you poor your life into these, thanks for sharing!!!!

[Davehho1]

SmartScarecrow dont get excited ..

Too late SSC , lol

[joewilder]

Perhaps you've seen this, perhaps not, but I'm convinced pjckac1has built a spark arrestor that eliminates the need for a bubbler.

[SmartScarecrow]

yes, I have seen his work ... and its pretty impressive ... but ... and its a big but ... these type devices tend to restrict flow volume ... for what I am doing, I need a considerable volume of flow ...

[joewilder]

I don't know. He's using those two torches.  I think he's putting about 30 LPM through there. And he demonstrates how little flow is restricted.

[Davehho1]

noimw, But I know an engine can be made to run off hydrogen.

But the same engine can not supply enough electricity to make the hydrogen (HHO) by means of electrolysis of water.

If it could, that would be overunity and that would solve all of the worlds energy problems.

If your research can do that, go for it. I would love to see it"

Cool , now that we have your approval/premission , we'll get right on it. ! lol

40 L/M Damm SSC , Wonder how many L/M a 4 cylinder needs ? Way 2 go

[SmartScarecrow]

dont get excited ... if my math holds up, it takes roughly 10 lpm per 100cc of engine displacement at 3500 rpm ... so if you got a 2000cc 4cyl, you may need closer to 200 lpm of HHO to make her run at full tilt ... but we may yet get our direct injection delivery system working which might cut that nearly in half ...

[jdcmusicman]

Love the bubbler man ....

[SmartScarecrow]

stainless steel and ABS tested to stand 20 lpm flash backs ... assuming it survives the show late this month, I will be testing its performance with 40 lpm flash backs ... more on this by mid June ... if this design can stand a hit with a 40 lpm system, I will suggest that everyone consider going in this direction ... the key is the short squat shape ... tall and skinny wants to head for low earth orbit ...

[jdcmusicman]

Yeah I have already seen my self tall aint always good ....a short bubbler works well...And stainless works best , at least it bust ......

I have a crazy idea i will be working on soon not going to say much about it except for the fact that is going to be dry bubbler ....

[Davehho1]

NICE ! That is one bad @ss bubbler set up !

[BruteForcENGINEering]

im drueling over your power supply. thats a nice piece of hardware.

the bubblers is that your set up to take 40 lpm.

please take lots of vids for us folks that cant make it.

[SmartScarecrow]

this bubbler setup has been purpose exposed to flash backs at 20 lpm production volumes repeatedly and stood up well ... have not tested at 40 lpm yet but would only give them a 50/50 chance of surviving that hard a hit ...

the power supply is capable of at least one neat trick ... I now have duty cycle control over the production of my electrolyser ...

[000365219]

Well I see that you have gone hi teck on us, great job. I only wish that I KNEW what I was looking at :>)

[SmartScarecrow]

LOL ... yeah, this one was a quick a dirty teaser ... if I have time before the show late this month, I will do a video on each component and try to provide a brief explanation of what went into it and why ... this is the gear I am preparing for the show ... focus is on safety as I do not want any mishap to cause anyone injury or even minor concern ... everything is being strengthened and performance tested to the max ...

[captcaveman4201]

im wondering.. do you know of a way to preasurize the hydrogen into a tank? do they do that at places already? what we really need is for a free base energy.(THE SUN) to turn to electricity. to covert the water to hydrogen to be preasurised into a Tank. Once you have a full tank of hydro.. you are good to go!! the only question is how far do you want to travel on 1 tank? To determain the size of the tanks to be used. i was thinkin about 150 miles worth. its a nice solid number. you can double up

[SmartScarecrow]

hydrogen yes ... hho NOOOO!!!!

there are many ways to extract the H2 from the H2 O2 mix that we make with these devices ... once separated, the H2 can safely be compressed and stored ... however, HHO is an explosive mix and must be used as it is made to be safe ...

we got a lot of nuclear plants in the US that are loafing after dark ...

[captcaveman4201]

after i left the first comment i looked up to see if anyone had the hydrogen tanks.. and ill be damned if there wasnt a team of 60 students from two schools. Who just came out a couple of months ago using the straight up hydrogen tanks. They made a F1 racecar using the tank. it looked to be about the size that i was picturing in my head. it is a beautiful sight to see. i shared out the video to all of my contacts. you should take a look at it,

[noimw]

" I will also be demonstrating my little 3.5 hp Cheap Chinese "Chonda" engine running on 100% HHO. "

Are you going to connect it to an alternator so it can make it's own fuel ?

[SmartScarecrow]

that would be a truly amazing trick to perform and I would love to oblige you ... but we are still a long way from being able to pull that one off ...

however, I am able to run a 90cc engine that was intended to run on gasoline, on roughly 6 lpm of HHO with only the most modest of modifications ... if you were a college physics major you would consider that impossible based on prior research ...

and our techniques keep getting better all the time ...

[captcaveman4201]

if i was a physics major, i wouldn't consider it to be impossible. Because i know enough to know that it is a imposion. and not an explostion. with the explostion the energy is disapated. with the implostion on thy other hand. it makes contact with the zero point energy of the movment of the universe. thus when it trys to push it.. the universe pushes back.

[SmartScarecrow]

you may be onto something and we are working in that direction ... in my own experiments, I am only harnessing the explosion effect and do my best to dissipate the implosion ... this is because of limitations with the design of the internal combustion engine I am working with ... but an engine that can take advantage of both impulses is possible and may currently be under development by unnamed parties ...

[noimw]

No, I am not a college physics major, But I know an engine can be made to run off hydrogen.

But the same engine can not supply enough electricity to make the hydrogen (HHO) by means of electrolysis of water.

If it could, that would be overunity and that would solve all of the worlds energy problems.

If your research can do that, go for it. I would love to see it.

[SmartScarecrow]

HHO is stoichiometric ... on combustion, there is an explosion immediately followed by a 1800 times reduction in the original volume of the gas ingested ... this creates an implosion effect ...

current engines can only make use of the explosion caused by the combustion ... patents are pending now on an engine that can make use of both impulses ... this engine can only run on HHO ...

stay tuned ... we are working on it ...

[llewgnal]

Yea buddy...

[insAneTunA]

Great video!!!

Don't forget that you have Dutch fans who can't visit the meeting. I hope to see some footage on youtube, I am looking forward to it.

Greets from the Netherlands

[SmartScarecrow]

will try to at least get some still shots of the setup ... but I expect to be quite occupied doing demonstrations of the technology so may not be much of a cameraman ... no promises, but will do the best I can ...