The memory of water

[tushara01]

If anyone believes in this, I have the world's best Whisky to sell you, one drop will get you really drunk.

[bachelorfox]

Can you do me a massive favour.... are you able to tell me the name of this programme, or the year it was shown?

[quidproquo2004]

...and double-blind studies later revealed no memory effect.

[paulinator61]

Why is this outdated video here? The *overwhelming* evidence by multiple labs doing *very* careful replications of this study prove that it's junk science. Two of Benveniste's lab techs were being paid by a homeopathy manufacturer.

Also, I'm fascinated by the idea of "water memory" (which only lasts for tiny fractions of a billionth of a second). If water remembers the homeopathic substance, why doesn't it also "remember" all the other millions of things that have been dissolved in it?

[wedingo]

"Convincing evidence" to a nonscientific mind maybe.

[EdmundLCF]

One table spoon of Coke in a full glass of water and shake it. You will get a full glass of Coke after that. I am rich!!!

[southerncountiesH2O]

Because the team had come with the hope and expectation of finding unfavourable results, that is what they did find.

Their own thoughts influenced the outcome. If you enter into any project, convinced beforehand of its failure, then you'll probably get failure.

Their own thought processes imbued the project with a negative edge.

[jweismanytube]

Unfortunately, that's true both ways, as in the case of the original claim here.

[waperboy]

Yet another film in which people are portrayed as "scientists", who do not appear to have any idea what they are doing.

[uncreativeranter]

Ergo the energy pattern is the mechanism that works & only by destroying the organism that produces the energy pattern ironic isn't it but that's the truth. Hence its not a cellular memory but an spiritual aura memory! This is why aids can only be cured by homeopathy because its energy is vibrating at a much higher level than chemical organic cellular memory can go & is now reaching teh upper echelons of electrical spiritual energy. It also explains why many ufos coolect large amounts of water!

[DrNancyMalik]

Human basophil degranulation triggered by very dilute antiserum against IgE (1988) criticandokardec. com.br/benveniste01. pdf

This is Jacques Benveniste’s famous “memory of water” study. Three other labs replicate the results before the paper was published—an unprecedented requirement. This study was replicated (the one after the next three) but not 100% reproducible

[pushingitfurther]

that must be on crack, dont believe everything people tell you, like god for example. dont believe this

[ReGenesisFilms]

This is a great video. Structured water and its impact upon human DNA morphology is the subject of numerous mainstream experimentation by a number of scientists including Dr. Gerald Pollack, Dr. Mae Wan Ho, Dr. Joseph Mercola and many others. Its impact on human health has been assembled by ReGenesis Films as an adjunct to the publication of the second edition of the thriller digi-novel ReGenesis, a Galilean Manner of Speech. ... enjoy.

[hingedelephant]

Delusion and drivel.

[a1mint]

Anything and everything involved in Homeopathy is a scam. Front to back. Left to right. Inside out.

[alexanderchalkidis]

Hey, great stuff, shame you "forgot" to include the rest of the programe which shows how this scientist was completely discredited and retracted it all!

[DaliaDawn]

@UnderManlac I feel truly compassionate for people like you who are so misaligned that your only egoic recource is attack of others & ignorantly denouncing a very detailed medical modality. Homeopathy is an art & a science, all true science is valid, not poison & murder at the hands of greedy BigPharma who sends out its watchdogs as bullies to attempt and squash every source of Light on this Earth. I shall pray that your shadows be transmuted so that you can awaken to the paradise here for all.

[UnderManlac]

No matter how much you purify water, it still remembers it had disease in it?

The test conducted was not done by the scientific method. Nor was it confirmed by independent labs. All you have here is conjecture, and psudeo-science.

So, if I put a tylenol dissolve it in a glass of water, then pour it in a lake and stir it up, then bring a ounce of that water to the ocean and stir that up, then someone on the other side of the world takes a sip of that water, their headache will be cured?

[UnderManlac]

No matter how much you purify water, it still remembers it had disease in it?

The test conducted was not done by the scientific method. Nor was it confirmed by independent labs. All you have here is conjecture, and psudeo-science.

So, if I put a tylenol dissolve it in a glass of water, then pour it in a lake and stir it up, then bring a ounce of that water to the ocean and stir that up, then someone takes a sip of that water, their headache will be cured?

[TheBlueFalconX]

So... when we urinate into water, then flush... the water goes to the sewers and then to a treatment plant, and then eventually becomes tap water which we drink. Is this seriously suggesting that the water remembers the urea molecules in my urine? Sigh. Idiots.

[DaliaDawn]

Our poor, meager science just can't keep up with the elegant, vibrational understanding of the powerful and effective homeopathy. The dense, sleeping minds will never see it, and fight aggressively against it, for if they could open to this gifts of this medicine all their ill minded ways, manipulations and false ego, would drop away. And they are very, very afraid to lose their illusions of control.

[UnderManlac]

@DaliaDawn So, you're saying that all we have to do is drop science altogether, even though it has brought us cures for deadly diseases, and just believe in homeopathy, which has no basis on any kind of science?

Water cannot have "memory". There is nothing about water that would suggest that it can "remember" what it was a part of before. You can't "charge" water. If you put an electric current into water, it will separate into hydrogen and oxygen. Water is non-ferrous as well.

[UnderManlac]

@DaliaDawn Why do you believe in such pseudo science anyway? Are you one of the people who are trying to scam others out of their hard earned money instead of letting them seek genuine treatment?

[exposefraud]

The era of the homeopathy SCAM may well be drawing to a close. It's getting harder and harder for people to support this scam with the continuing absence of ANY evidence that homeopathy is anything but a placebo.

The recent annual homeopathy overdose experiment was huge success. Boots the Chemist retail pharmacy chain in the UK admitted in 2009 that the homeopathic products they sell do "nothing". The UK Parliament is questioning funding of homeopathic hospitals etc.

[Timmay123456789]

this is some old shit, his whole experiment was re-done and it failed when subjected to double blind conditions. The experimenter effect man...shit got real

[QuantumOverlord]

homeopathy = BULLSHIT!

[DrNancyMalik]

Real is scientific homeopathy. Nano-doses of evidence-based modern homeopathy medicine brings big results for everyone

[QuantumOverlord]

@DrNancyMalik No it doesnt



[Mauromoustakos]

@DrNancyMalik

This thing you said, "evidence-based medicine", means nothing. It is only scientific blah-blah.

[exposefraud]

Google:

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Homeopathy: The Test

Goggle:

I CAN'T WAIT! James Randi

[exposefraud]

Unfortunately,the now deceased Benveniste failed to conduct his research at even the most basic science 101 levels as revealed later.

It's not certain that Benveniste actually committed fraud but, essentially, his rising star was squashed by the lack of any other researchers being able to replicate the results.

We are about to discover who, in Benveniste's team attempted to open the envelope containing the key to the experimental samples in the now famous James Randi testing process.

[Barabantutin]

What does Water has to take if Water had amnesia or Alzheimer's? At what dilution does Water starts to forget?

c'est des conneries!

[nvcn86]

enjoy drinking my piss :D

[akkitrah]

Rubbishe!

Could not repeat his own experiment.

See wiki.

[tuamigamoni]

OK you won  ;-)

[bernygagne]

If water has any memory at all, a notion that is the height of absurdity, all it remembers is the tons of shit we dump in it yearly.

Homeopathy is nonsense.

[Goneoffshore]

Homeopathy - there's nothing in it.

[Revyloution]

Reminds me of Tim Minchin's statement of homeophaty:

Water has memory!

And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is Infinite

It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!

[hellopast]

Ignore the previous comment coming from those who will always serve ignorance and fear of the unknown. Memory of water exists (read Chaplin form the South Bank University London UK). As to how homoeopathy works with these facts, and progresses with new information, remains the domain of practitioners who dare.

Advances in any field require stamina and often happen despite common ignorance, the need to know in advance, being a mark of lazy intelligence.

[snappingbear]

@hellopast Homeopathy is quackery you idiot. Pure bunkum crap that doesn't have anything supporting excepts kooks and pseudo-science.

[oldsyphilitic]

@snappingbear There is no certainty greater foolishness than that of a fool who thinks he knows better than his betters.

[snappingbear]

@oldsyphilitic Yes I'm sure you're told that all the time. What's even more certain is that you're a kook with little or no knowledge of science. You should have stayed in school and learned basic chemistry. Though it's honest work as a opposed to selling snake oil to the ignorant.

[oldsyphilitic]

@snappingbear Pearls before swine dear boy. Take it easy!

[tuamigamoni]

I understand that the placebos suit their effect because when are given them we think we´re taking medicine and so our minds help our body cure itself. As you say its our body´s natural way of healing itself. If this is true, then why de babies and animals cure themselves when they are given homeopathic medicine? they have no idea of why or what is being put in their mouths. Then again, do you think humans and animals do not need any medicine to cure their illnesses?

[ultimatumjs]

@tuamigamoni Where is the evidence? Where are the large, double-blinded, randomised control trials showing it to be any more efficacious than a control with statistical significance?

Only the fringe take homeopathy seriously for this reason; they simply dont exist. It has been shown time and time again.

[Timmay123456789]

go to nature.com and put this after it "/nature/journal/v434/n7030/ab­s/nature03383.html"

[Rubashow]

The Line in the description-box is misleading. Because his experiment had severe methodological errors the publication of his "water memory" papers ruined his career.

[ultimatumjs]

There is currently not adequate evidence to support the assertion that homeopathy has significant efficacy at treating medical problems.

It can be harmful when people delude themselves into thinking it can replace conventional medical therapy. I recall a case in which a father refused his infant daughter conventional therapy for eczema and insisted they use only homeopathy. She dies as a result.

I am glad the NHS has withdrawn funding until real evidence comes to light.

[tuamigamoni]

@ultimatumjs Ive been using homeopathy med for over 20 years now. My whole family is using it and we have been cured of a simple cold , pneumonia, throat infeccions, menapause simptoms, etc etc etc PERFECTLY with no side effects. It all depends on the doctor who is treating you. We must be careful in choosing the correct profesional.

[ultimatumjs]

@tuamigamoni This is what we call 'anecdotal' evidence and is far from reliable evidence. The placebo effect is often underestimated, as is the body's natural ability to fight off certain infections; there is no evidence that the complaints would not have resolved themselves without the use of homeopathy

[BubbleGumNipples]

@tuamigamoni

I've had a cold for 2 weeks, then yesterday I watched Toy Story 3.

Woke up this morning and the cold is gone.

Coincidence? I think not.

[guidav123]

everything is energy( frequency vibration) water is the substance that is most effected by energy(vibration) once the water is diluted the energetic properties of that substance that is no longer in the water is retained in the water. It is very much activated when being shook before taking it. This energy simply reminds your consioussness what needs to be healed. your consioussness then focuses on that energetic frequency until the energetic imbalance becomes balanced thus healing you.

[lapmarty]

placebo effect is a nice effect with is own limit...a diabetic that depend on insulin will see result even if he dont beleive in the insulin power.....see real activ compond dont need all this power bullshit and energy stuff......they simply work..and homepathy just lack one crucial thing...it is THE FUCKING ACTIVE COMPOND IN THE SUBSTANCE THEY FUCKING SELL YOU WATER get real will ya...

[lapmarty]

placebo effect is a nice effect with is own limit...a diabetic that depend on insulin will see result even if he dont beleive in the insulin power.....see real activ compond dont need all this power bullshit and energy stuff......they simply work..and homepathy just lack one crucial thing...it is THE FUCKING ACTIVE COMPOND IN THE SUBSTANCE THEY FUCKING SELL YOU WATER get real will ya....memory of water has been tested several tim

[intj123]

I don't understand what James Randi was doing there?!!? Would they PAY him to conduct such experiments in the first place? I doubt it, so why PAY him to discredit something he can't even professionally discern for himself?

And if there is something I have learned, is that in the presence of such toxic people, it's no surprise that the experiment didn't work, their toxic energy probably spread into the water samples and caused failure.

[lapmarty]

@intj123 randi wasnt there on 3 other independant study that failed to show result....

it has been the case evrywhere....why dont you get real.(i guess you use or sell homepathic meds) homepathy doesnt work cause in the end what you absorb is water without even one molecule..of active ingredient..thats a fact...so why wouldnt you take tap water same fucking think...how much money do we have to waste on those claims.....placebo....try to treat a diabetic with it and come back to me...insulin is

[intj123]

@lapmarty You GUESSED WRONG. I actually am nowhere near the business of homeopathy nor do I use them. BUT I did do a decent amount of research on water because for some reason or another synchronistic events led me to do so. Ironically and irrelevantly it starts with martial arts, Bruce Lee once said to "be like water". Then later I read masaru emoto's book, and he was also attacked by the scientific beuroc, Well we are made of mostly water, so to understand water is to understand oneself.

[lapmarty]

@intj123 i dont get a intelligent man would even consider the memory of water effect....just by mere logic you can see that it is stupid to begin with a child understand that...double distilled water isnt pure at all...still have contaminant.........at the level you dilluted your remedies...so isnt it all water homeopathic water??think a little bit.....everytime you drink tap water there is contaminant in it.....besisde is water memory selective?? the very homeopathic logic is flawn to begin

[intj123]

@lapmarty I Never said that this is some kind of cure, but there is much truth to this "memory" of water, water is the "universal solvent" now think about that very carefully, it's not just solids/matter that it absorbs... because matter is just energy, so water absorbs non physical energy as well, example is heat, but what these people are finding is that it absorbs much more than just that, because it truly is "Universal".

[lapmarty]

@intj123 first of all i work in a lab....so dont lecture me on experiment.you say i havent done any...you dont even know......second....you didnt answer any of my point like usual homeopathic beleiver...in lab the purest form of water we get still as contaminant at the level of a c4 homepathic dilution......what do you make of that? see there is but one answer that you refuse to see.....is that the whole memory of water thing donesnt make any sence..you wont agree cause if so you have

[intj123]

@lapmarty What does contaminated water have to do with the outcome? if both are using the SAME water it doesn't matter...I don't care about homeopathy! Do you get it? I am more interested in water, or ourselves to be more precise. And it makes no difference if you work in a lab, you probably work in a food lab making new sauces for mcdonalds for all I know. Why don't you use your resources to do an accurate experiment and then rub it in my face, but as of now, you havn't done shit.

[intj123]

@intj123 Go ahead and look on youtube on how many experiments end up like mine, and how many claim debunk, which is only like 1 or 2 videos and the rest of the 90 something percent are all like mine, why don't you tell me why this oddly high rate of success exists? Of course everyone is just stupid and only smart people like you who never even tried it know the truth. You're like a boy who never rode a bike but you're trying to teach me how to ride one, rather foolish.

[lapmarty]

you have to re-think all the homeopathic basis.............please dont insult me again with personal comment like.....you havent done any experiment yourself bla bla bla....and try answering my point....thanx

[lapmarty]

@intj123 I already admitted that I didn't do the experiement "perfectly" but that's because I lacked resources to do so

im a open mided person and to see this experiment raise exitation.....i would love to help you set a sientific protocole...i can tell you how to set a double blinded exeriment protocole that could be review by peers....if you then get result that would be great news and incredible scientific braktrought....but as long as go the way you choose even trought your deepest

[lapmarty]

@intj123 conviction there is little point in arguing...see science has a good track record....in fact your using a computer now...to talk to me..and that is because of one simple fact....trial....and it work......just think about it and come back to me.

bye the way im a medic in th army with a double qualification as a lab tech and i got a bacc in music composition and pianistic interpretation.....i look as much as you in finding that proof....

[intj123]

@lapmarty yea I knew you were a quasi scientist. And you failed to address soo many of my points and questions now I see you are just a joke of a man with a wannabe smart guy ego. Of course all the 300 families and over 90 percent of youtubers did the experiment wrong(but got the same results), and only you know how to do it right huh? I'm also willing to hear your double blind proposal because I'm curious to see if it involves not following the correct procedures for the experiment.

[lapmarty]

@intj123 wake up man....past 4c a dillution reach the level of the very own water contaminant,....its funny how homeopathic beleiver just put that fact in the closet.....they yet try to show a scientific explanation to there bullshit..,,,what is your answer about water memory now...and please think about it

[lapmarty]

@intj123 oh and the emoto rice experience is debunk a long time ago......take a look at your pseudo scientific protocole...do it propoerly with controlled...and you wont see any result i garantee....see ya

[intj123]

@lapmarty Funny how someone who's never even done the experiment himself is trying to lecture others who have on it, you might be right that I didn't do it perfectly, but you havn't done anything better, just talk shit online but nothing in real life. Come back when you actually have experience and something to show, other than pointing at other things that support your hypothesis. You can't gaurentee anything really.

[lapmarty]

@lapmarty i saw first of all....as a professional...how your emo rice is completly flawn.....first you should never use this kind oif jar.....only laboratories approve tube would be acceptable.....then there is the rice itself.....cooking it in a household kitchen is far from acceptable....too many way to introduce germ in the experiment......so i know how to work in a lab am a professional in the medical field...and your experiment is nothing but amateurish....so dont lecture me on this!!!

[intj123]

@lapmarty I already admitted that I didn't do the experiement "perfectly" but that's because I lacked resources to do so, but if you kept track of the results, it also wouldn't make sense, because more often than not the result is just like mine. Statistically if this was bs then it would probably have a 50% success rate, nothing to be concerned about, but if you actually read the book, you would see, that independent tests by over 300 families showed the same result.

[lapmarty]

@intj123 if 300 families use your protocole...and have done it yor way then the result are useless do you understand? even if 2000....cause you introduce germ into the experiment..so there is no point in doing s its like mastrubation...the reason why nobodys go to the jref and win the millions isbecause when the slightest scientific cntrol is apply there is no result take a look.....

[lapmarty]

@intj123 insulting me as a wannabe wont get you anywhere.......and as i expected you just failed.........no point in helping you.. good luck stupid fuck...find yourself a correct protocole...anyway your a laught in the scientific community and youll still be a laught in 100 years....you are a stupid fuck....(wanna go that road...there we go)

[intj123]

@lapmarty So you're true colors show, it's not about whether this stuff is true or not, it's about stroking your ego and trying to 1 up the other. Because you havn't really given relevant facts, only stupid things like, distilled water is still contaminated, but you don't even say how that would negatively affect the experiment, I asked you what is the big deal if both are using the same water? yea... keep ignoring the stuff you don't even know.... have fun being a real doctor's lil bitch....

[intj123]

@lapmarty I also called your bluff and now you're just scared to say anything about doing a double blind on the experiement, you're afraid of making yourself look even dumber, you don't have the confidence in the knowledge that you claim to have. I just realized I'm talking to a big fat loser who tries to brag about being a doctor's little helper anonymously over the internet, what a joke... goodbye.

[intj123]

@intj123 LOL did you remove your last comment or two? Trying to save face? Let's keep the conversation public, so that everyone can see you're over inflated ego get popped.

[ScienceGaveMeAHadron]

I think Mr John Benneth should go collect his noble prize in Chemistry, Physics and Biology as if his theories are correct, and are not just the psychopathic rantings of a man noted as the writer of many disturbing screeds.

I would like Bandershot to propose a mechanism for homeopathy and submit it for peer review rather than lurking the dark corners of the internet sprouting random Star Trek Technobabble.

J. Chem. Eng. Data, 2000, 45 (5), pp 908–911

DOI: 10.1021/je000076a

[QuantumOverlord]

madness? THIS IS SPAAAAARTA

[QuantumOverlord]

I Cant belive this video has more likes than dislikes. The only one I have ever seen that has more likes than dislikes or hasnt censored comments or ratings in someway. Obviously this video is harder to find for those people not searching for "Proof of Homeopathy" into Youtube. Needless to say Ive added my dislike.

[Bandershot]

Great video. Thanks for posting. I once rec'd an email from Dr. Beneveniste. He said "homeopathy is the devil's piss pot." He should get the Nobel prize for his subsequent work on the electromagnetic qualities of the macromolecular structuring of water, now confirend by Montagnier.

[DuykRuyk]

This shit happens all the time. Luckily science is self-correcting and the frauds were caught.

[Bandershot]

@DuykRuyk Yeah, the frauds being Maddox, Stewart and Randi. The bd test has now been rep'd over two dozen times. See my post below.

[0grea0]

This was an interesting video till you read the text under it... there is a great amount of research into homoeopathy and its generally the experiments like the above (non-blinded and with unintentional non-reporting of failed tests) that come out positive.

Here's a thought though, if more dilute => more powerful, then the water in my body is already an infinitely dilute solution of most of the medicines used in homoeopathy. why do i need to pay money for homoeopathic pills then?

[chrism7979]

Nice acting. Blah Blah Blah. I'm trying to figure out why someone would want to create this? Some rich elitist environmentalist group trying to push their ideals on other people I'm guessing. Oh and nice crotch shot Jacques!

[Baldnesz]

Even people with medical degrees go nuts or are corrupt / useless. Strange eh ?

[drdeathuae]

in islam we know this before 1431 year,we didnt know it secret but we believe in god who mentioned it in quran and prophet Muhammad was doing it' by reading the holy quran on the water and then giving it as a medicine to patients, in arabic its known as "Roquia"

by reading quran on water you are sending a positive waves to the water which will effect and change the shape of the water crystals, if the patient drink that water it will effect him in positive way and by god willing he will recover

[bobjonesu]

Yeah, this was totally bogus. They used 'dirty' water, and threw out results that didn't "work". An experiment that "worked" met their preconceived result. Also, no one has been able to repeat this. If it's not repeatable by other labs, then it's not real

[Kingscote9]

as soon as the name James Randi was mentioned it was over. a magician/illustionist to oversee a scientific experiment? oh come on!

[walter0bz]

liquid water molecules sometimes link up in icosohedrons, luck guess on the part of the greeks

[ysiblini]

There have been doctors who have kept Kali Phos by their bed side.

[wakauai7wsxedcrfvqaz]

Look up "Semmelweis Effect" on Google.

Those who can neither understand or explain what they see tend to reject it.

Not everybody, just those who persist in hanging on to outmoded theories regardless of what evidence they are faced with.

It is precisely that attitude that is holding back science in so many fields today.

If the "experts" are proved wrong, they are no longer experts and the research dollars go elsewhere.

The "experts" want to remain the experts.

[soccom8341576]

Is it not a little too simple?

I think, however, skeptics need to do their own testing. If it consistently fails to work, even after seeking expert help, then ignore it.

Yes, I do believe that the scientist doing the experiment should not be selectively recording results and eliminating information not supporting a desired conclusion. That's not scientific at all.

[aguystudio]

Hello! I have a long standing case of extreme priapism. Do you think homeopathy can be of help with me? It is a hard thing to take care of. Presently, I apply a cold, moist towelette with Vaseline to the affected area, but to no avail. Please, please help me...

[soccom8341576]

If that's the case, you should have been to the emergency department immediately after abnormality, though I have no idea what they would do to you.

[aguystudio]

Likely something with salves, drugs and harnesses. On my.

[ysiblini]

@aguystudio

Try contacting your local homeopath

[aguystudio]

I did contact my homopaeth and he said to try a sitz-bath containing a cold, herbal aspic and then apply an ample dressing of medicated essential oils and a ph balancing vinegars. We might have to resort to specially designed straps and turnbuckles while eucalyptic salves and balms are slathered on the affected area.

At least that is his game plan.

[billygutter01]

0:55

"a theory that conventional science says is wholly irrational"

Bwaaa ha ha ha ha! No kidding! Gimme less of that medicine and quick!

[ricardas83]

You realize that this is bullshit, right?

[EsotericAdept]

Simply put, ALL GOVERNMENTS SUCK!!

In very basic terms and comprehesion, IF A CHEAP PRODUCT CAN CURE THE EVERYDAY-HUMAN, THAT HUMAN'S GOVERNMENT WILL INSTANTLY GO BANKRUPT. IT'S NOT ROCKET OR PLANETARY SCIENCE, its high school common sense, if not elementry. Every Government has to PROTECT their investments by KEEPING cures that actually work, in a HUSH-HUSH SECRECY. They are the EXTREME HIGH-SOCIETY INDIVIDUALS OF EACH AND EVERY COUNTRY UNDER THE HIGHEST SECRECY, NOT FREEMASONS!!

[mediumsteve]

fake

[StopTheRobberydotcom]

Like everything in the universe, water is conscious.

Thanks for the video...

[Falloutmoon]

sure....everything is conscious... and god is above us all and unicorns live on mars...

[KLONDIKEpsychic]

He was nuts. His science didn't work, and homeopathy experiments were a joke!

[Falloutmoon]

I second that... His research has been shown to be flawed several times over.

[johnmoreland]

Jacques Benveniste - hero - will eventually be validated.

[alien8ted]

Jacques Benveniste - pseudoscientific quack - will ultimately be forgotten, just like this sorry excuse for diluted snake-oil. This superstitious bullshit kills people who should be treated with real medecines that have been proven to work, not something indistinguishable from a placebo. It's just water for fuck's sake!

[johnmoreland]

You wish. He was quackrised by an organized effort.

[ase010]

The bottles water is also not safe and all the plastics bottles are causing unknown sickness, cancer and dementia etc and its killing our whole planet!

[ase010]

Our water, the worlds water is contaminated and poisoned on purpose, scams, sell-outs and ignorance. There are thousands if not ten-thousands of dangerous toxin chemicals in our drink waters and everyday most people like you are putting it in the drink water through the sink, toilet without even knowing it. People think they can filter with distilled or reverse osmosis filter systems but these causes even more harm then good.

[wannabeastarrover]

thats why i only drink sring water from bottles , but then theres chemicals from the plastic, its the best drinking water you can get but still not as good as can be, lol

sad thing is we bath in the chemical water as well, which is why i genrally shower, not soak

[pygrre35]

benvéniste sur les pas de fibonacci montagnier a ebfin reconnue la mémoire de la molécule d'eau

[wannabeastarrover]

water will remember if it is done properly & controlled,

by the way alien8ted the cia pored millions in phychic reashearch for years. and came up with the term

remote viewing

which was born in a bed of science,

remote viewing is a form of psychic sensing of locations ,things outside of the individuals phsysical senses,

& now i wait for an attack from you

as i allways do from those who prefer only to know what they prefer to be true rather than what is true

[alien8ted]

The cia wasted millions before they realisee psychic powers don't exist. Remote viewing is a fancy name for day dreaming. Water cannot remember anything at all, which is not an attack, just a basic fact.

[wannabeastarrover]

yea like so your told and you belived who told you

just like Parrot you go and repest what your told

now do you really know anything if all your told is a half truth based on asuming and lack of reashearch.

pychic abilty needs praticse almost like learning to walk, it dont come straight away

cia still use phychics today

[alien8ted]

"cia still use phychics today" No they don't, you just made that up. That's the problem with people who believe gullibly in psychic rubbish, they cannot and do not care to differentiate between what they imagine and what is real. Your views are based on pure wishful thinking and paranoia. You can also tell these 'psychic' believers are deluded and thought disordered by the way they cannot even be bothered to try and spell properly. You are too lazy to do any real research.

[BipedalHumanoid]

well said

[KLONDIKEpsychic]

WRONG! CIA does NOT use psychics. See Anderson Cooper for the actual statements from CIA and FBI.

[ierogamos]

Praise to you .. Jacques Benveniste

You are a hero

[alien8ted]

I watched James Randi swallow 2 bottles of sleeping pills and then deliver a high-energy 2 hour lecture. If he had eaten real sleeping pills he would have been in a coma and could have died. Homeopathy doesn't work. It is watered-down bullshit. If this bullshit was true an ordinary glass of tap water would contain remedies to cure every ill.

[similarvoid]

James Randi is no scientist! He has no knowledge about homeopathy.

There was so many breakthroughs in the last 80 years, Quantum physic, Quantum teleportation, Action at a distance and many more. The truth is, there are so many people getting rich through expensive remedies. They don't want a cheap, holistic and scientific founded therapy that can really heal.

"Follow the money!"

The "Nature" is controlled by pharma-lobbies, declaring everything unscientific which is a hazard for their sponsors!

[alien8ted]

James Randi very clearly proved homeopathy simply doesn't work. All the properly controlled scientific tests have shown the effects of homeopathy are indistinguishable from the placebo effect, in other words, it's pure, undiluted wishful thinking. Pharmas do charge a lot, but then, their stuff really works and passes the tests. Homeopathy is just a blatant con with ridiculously expensive water. Nothing in the field of quantum theory lends the slightest credibility to this superstitious rubbish.

[Dyule]

I suspect you have little understanding of the 'quantum theory' as you put it.

I think you need to aim to understand the consequences of quantum physics, and then perhaps you will go through the philosophical transformation of understanding needed before you realise that consciousness creates reality.

As far as health and healing are concerned the placebo effect IS the cure, everything else is a side-effect.

[jahcoba]

@Dyule alien got Told

[smarthandsomeguy]

@Dyule >"understand the consequences of quantum physics, and then perhaps you will go through the philosophical transformation of understanding needed before you realise that consciousness creates reality"

=D Oh come on. The QM fallacy!

Also, you used a snippet from a longer BBC documentary, and took it out of context to make a point.

Benveniste's team cheated. They could not reproduce their results in a double blind test.

That's what the documentation is about. It's a famous case of fraud.

[LIVEETERNALLOVE]

@smarthandsomeguy thanks 4 the intel

[QuantumOverlord]

@Dyule I understand QuantumPhysics more than anybody likely on here, yet I see no way it could be used to prove homeopathy!

[Bandershot]

@QuantumOverlord No you don't, you don't understand anything, you've p[roven it repeatedly in the comments on my videos.You still think clathrates can only form at below freezing temps and liquid water can't structure.

[QuantumOverlord]

@Bandershot I understand science perfectly, and clathrates cant form in high tempretures for the reasons I have given. And When did I say liquid Water can't structure. I know all about this: a) it is not tetrahedral, it is bent (read up on basic chemistry), b)you might want to read up on hydrogen bonding and electronegitivity before claming it allows water to form clathrates (basic chemistry), c) Understand hydrophobicity and understand why water cant form clathrates with itself.

[QuantumOverlord]

@Bandershot I am Right!

[ScienceGaveMeAHadron]

@QuantumOverlord Bandershot displays a total lack of knowledge of basic chemistry and molecular physics, his 'lecture' to the Chemistry undergrads at Cambridge was insulting to the intelligence of anyone with even a basic knowledge of science.

However I agree, Clathrate Hydrates can form at 270-280 Kelvin however the pressures required are immense, around 1.0-7.0 MPa for the easy to form, hence why Methane Clathrates form in the deep ocean only or at very low temperatures

[QuantumOverlord]

@ScienceGaveMeAHadron Also Clathrates can only form with certain molecules. Methane Chlathrates is common because it is very hydrophobic (because methane has a much smaller moment than water). Something like Sodium Chloride or Water itself can never form Chlathrates due to the high polarity. The low tempretures are needed for it to be entropically preferable for clathrates to be form (as well as empathically favourible of course). If you apply massive pressures of course the Equib will shift.

[QuantumOverlord]

@QuantumOverlord When i said "empathically" I meant Enthalptically.

[Bandershot]

@QuantumOverlord Please cite your references for your claim that clathrates can only "form with certain molecules." I have yet to come across such a statement, nor do you note criteria for hydrophobia, which naturally there must be for each solute. The smaller the ion, the more kosmotropic. This is why homeopathics must be intensively triturated before dilution. Hydrophobia is dependent of the available solvent

[QuantumOverlord]

@Bandershot Trituturated? Do you mean Titrated? And titrated with what!?!?!!? And I gave the criteria for hydrophobia below. Nevertheless I will give it again. Small molecules that have very small dipole moments, such as small chain hydrocarbons, e.g Methane! ANd yes They only form in cold conditons as the kintetic energy of the water and methane has to be sufficently low to stop them from seperating completely, either that or a high pressure.

[ScienceGaveMeAHadron]

@Bandershot Ah-ha-ha. Hydrophobocity is dependent on the solvent? Here's a little tip, Hydro is ancient greek for water.

Hopefully your logic can carry you the rest of the way to understanding what solvent HYDROPhobocity applies to.

Also a kosmotropic can be non-ionic e.g. glucose, if glucose caused water to form into clathrates then the entire biology of respiring life would stop since the glucose would be unreachable.

[Bandershot]

Numerous FTIR/NMR spectroscopic studies prove ScienceGaveMeAHadron et al wrong about clathrates&liquid aqueous structuring, (Sukul, Rao, Montagnier, Demangeat) &most notably work done at Uof Cincinatti & Moscow State U. H2O molecules attach to kosmotropic ions, form a solvation shell & cybotactic region. There are no req's of lo temps or hi pressure. Unlike my detractors, I encourage the reader to Google & study clathrates, names &new terms to verify my assertions. Investigate for yourself.

[QuantumOverlord]

@Bandershot No they dont I have investigated for myself. Can you give me the type of NMR that you are refering to because the most common type Carbon-13 NMR cannot be used because since when did water have carbon in it! Perhaps you are refering to proton NMR? This gives the environment of the protons, in water you would only get one peak as both protons (by protons I am of course refering to the Hydrogen Nucleus).

[QuantumOverlord]

@QuantumOverlord as both protons experience the same environment

[ScienceGaveMeAHadron]

@BandershotNot only that but you fail to understand the concept of kosmotropes, which tend to reduce structure in water since the strong force breaks apart h-bonds (Barbara Hribar) and chaotropes increase h-bond density. However even this basic structure would not in anyway support homeopathy and is expected with the bonding model of liquid water.

You should also note the magic step of increased H-bond density to a (non) substance magically curing disease.

[similarvoid]

You cannot say that this universe is working on pure materialistic basis, because since 1900 Max Planck has revolutionized the scientific view. But even if 100 years are past, the majority of scientists are still living in a antiquated world of Newton physics view. The truth is, the majority doesn't won't to awake and adopt with an open mind the progress of science. Magazines like "Nature" are only leaded by closed mind people which denies the progress of science for egoistical reasons. Think!

[alien8ted]

Science is led by what ideas can be practically, repeatedly and reliably shown to work. Great scientists are open minded, but also use critical thinking to distinguish what is most plausible and useful. Science progresses by testing ideas and ditching the ones that fail. Homeopathy fails the tests so it doesn't work. I've found it's always the proponents of faith, psychic powers, magic and miracles who have the biggest egos, the most ridiculous claims and the bitterest axe to grind.

[Bandershot]

@alien8ted Randi has proved nothing except his Challenge is a hoax. What is missing from Benveniste's story is he never presented his work within the context of the literature; his was the 4th replication of the basophil degranulation test, now rep'd over two dozen times; the BD is only 1 of 6 different types of biochemical tests, such as their action on enzymes. In addition, I've counted 10 physical tests for homeopathics, and there is now a chemical explanation

[QuantumOverlord]

@Bandershot There are no chemical/physical techniques that prove homeopathy.

[wannabeastarrover]

well tap water contains a whole bunch of chemicals anyway, otherwise it would come out of the tape with all kinds of bugs in it

and yet they say its fit for drinking

i dont drink it lol. pure water and tap water taste very different