Rome Aventine's Battle

[jbdigitronics]

Dumb Romans.

No surprise their empire collapsed.

[Cuoreromano90]

@jbdigitronics you americans will dream an empire like Rome...remember vietnam and afghanistan....you learn from best....losers

[simplyguys]

0:54 holly shit !!!

[bradhuygens]

0:23 THIRTEEN!!!

[Leadthrower666]

What does he bite at 0:15? his tounge?

[WiseGuy5674]

@Leadthrower666 ..not only does he bite out his tounge, he keeps him as a pet in a cage.

[WiseGuy5674]

@Leadthrower666 ..not only does he bite out his tongue, he keeps him as a pet in a cage.

[ViriathusVingathor]

The caste system,is a extremely rigid social-economic stratification,where sons learn their fathers office,and that is supposed to never change,it isn´t necessarily ethnocentrism.

A horrid thing indeed.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor the caste system in india was a racist system imposed by the Aryan conquerors on their darker skinned contemporaries. You should read more into it, it is quite racist as Aryans and light skinned Indians dominated the upper classes- and the "Brown" people were subjugated to the lower castes. It was even worse than Rome because the minority majority had no chance of escaping their slavery or attaining any position of power.

[roas2]

titus pullo fucking owns!

[Hurtex]

no one mess with Pullo

[DeRodeLeeuw]

what is this battle? barbarians vs romans or romans vs romans. im confused

[ViriathusVingathor]

Romans versus romans,as usual,they fought each others more often,than they fought barbarians.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor some of the people here were gauls, i am sure there were ethnic minoritiy gangs as there are today. just look at the guy at 0:12 very celtic/germanic looking.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

For the roman civilization,ethnic origin didn´t matter,racism didn´t existed,thats something quite modern,people that followed basic roman ways were considered 100% roman,end of story.

Glory to them.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor oh really? and you know this how Viriathus? Were you there? I believe you are talking straight from your asshole, racial tension, and human social interactions were no differnent then, than they are today, society and technology has changed, fundamental human nature has not. of course there was no racism- that is exactly why the Romans enslaved everyone who wasn't Roman and called them barbarians!! *sarcasm*

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

Well I studied them,some years ago,Its know because of decades of research,in roman sources there is no racist comments.

Romans enslaved everyone who opposed them,however they also released everyone,it is common to find slaves marring their masters,even before their release,masters nominating their slaves as their successors,to find masters,arrested by mistreatment of his slaves,and sons/grandsons of slaves becoming roman senators,some even generals.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor Barbarian is a racist comment, they treated ethnic minorities like shit- but like today's society of course theirs became more cosmopolitan as Rome grew and ethnic minorities from Gaul, Germania, etc. migrated to Rome. Today there is a black president- does that mean racism and discrimination stopped? Look at Russia, ethnic minorities are killed all the time- however some of the most powerful people in Russia are ethnic minorities such as Tatars, Azeris, etc.

[ViriathusVingathor]

Comparing Rome to the USA/Russia is something impossible,despite there exist obvious connections,different times,different civilizations,different mentalities.

They treated some cultures,like shit as they were too different,impossible to connect with the roman one,namely the monotheistic cultures,like judaism and christianism.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor being different has nothing to do with it, Serbians and Croatians are almost exactly alike but they hate each other and have been waging ethnic war since the medieval times. very little about human nature has changed since "the dawn of man" what has changed are the paramaters in which we live- thus modifying our behavior to accomdate the geopolitical environment, not fundamentally changing it.

[ViriathusVingathor]

Barbarian,is a xenophobic term,in the late empire,being attacked by germanics(and others)great part of the roman western army was germanic,just 1/5 to 1/7 of the army was Italic,that would be impossible if they were really xenophobic.

Some of the last emperors were sacred following germanic rituals.

Julius Ceasar when he conquered Gaul,had no problems in bringing gaulic and germanic warriors to terrorize Rome.....

Rome glory came from the roman civilization capacity to be multicultural.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor And Vladimir Putin has no problems bringing in ethnic chechens (namely those under Pro-Kremlin chechen warlord Kakiyev) to terrorize native Russians and enemies of the state. a great part of the Roman army was germanic? OF COURSE!! this is the case of all military since the dawn of history- to use ethnic minorities in military battalions, they were still discriminated against! are you naive?

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

Departing from the present to know the past is a huge mistake,that is true naiveness,to think that humans were always as they are today.

Those germanics were not minorities,most were former enemies,they were so discriminated that in time,as the richer,and most capable soldiers,they took the leadership of the Empire,ruling over the huge majority of romans,that if combined together could have easily crush them.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor no, its a huge mistake for you to think that people somehow thought differently in ancient times. As if to say a tiger today, is somehow fundamentally different from a Tiger in ancient times- or any animal for that matter. are you to say that we humans have evolved while no other animal hasn't in the same time period? well that is a sheer impossibility because it is a law of science that less-complex organisms evolve faster!

[ViriathusVingathor]

The Byzantine Empire continued some roman traditions,with the Varangian Guard brave mens from Scandinavia to whom the Emperors trusted more than the elite soldiers recruited in their lands,their loyalty was unanimously praised,they gained unique privileges like carrying all the Emperors treasury gold they could carry to Scandinavia,after the his death.

The flux of Scandinavians for that Empire was so big,that the Scandinavian kings tried to stop it,by imposing penalties to those who departed.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor This example means nothing, it occurs today- the best example is the French Foreign Legion. Also Scandanavia was not in the Byzantine sphere of influence so their relationship with the Byzantine empire was more ammicable and/or neutral unlike the Byzantines relations with Arabs of Balkan peoples.

[ViriathusVingathor]

The twisted and inhuman nationalist mentality is something recent,in the middle ages,and in ancient times,ethnic consciousness didn´t existed,there existed culturalism and religiousness,the second became fierce in the middle ages,because of monotheism.

Romans gave a absolute damn where people came from,and how they looked like,they just cared what they were,from the inside(they judged that by roman standards)they had 5 non Italic Emperors,2 from N.Africa,all from former conquered peoples.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor your arguement is valid but makes no point against the fact that there was ethnic discrimination, the examples you gave happen in modern times- such as the Pope using Swiss gaurd, or when the LCN bosses brought in FOB Italians to be personal bodygaurds and advisors to the dismay of their american born subordinates, today there are many black people in power, so there was no ethnic discrimination?

[ViriathusVingathor]

The Byzantine Empire is not modern,its medieval,its fall marks the end of the middle ages.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor excuse me- more recent times*

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor i said your examples occur in modern times today despite prevalent racism, that was my point.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor your wrong. Romans viewed surounding nations with disdain and a superiority complex- as peoples of any empire view any subjugated people- as backwards, simple, barbarians.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

Some were patriotic,and xenophobic,hence the term barbarian,never nationalistic/racist,nationali­sm only came with the french revolution,not before.

Racism isn´t part of human nature,racism is the supreme inhumanity,just part of extremely ignorant retards.

Romans were far more pragmatic than us,and in a sense far more civilized.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor you can study history all you want, but you have no conception of fundamental human nature, Roman history spans over 500 years, which time period are we discussing? because mores, social views, and ethnic divides changed over time, such as it does today. only 60 years ago it was somewhat okay to lynch black people. During the time of Julius Caesar there was undoubtedly ethnic divides, as minorites became assimilated into the empire, they became more accepted, its that simple.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

You have to understand 1 single thing Rome existed 2000/1500 years ago,things were totally different.

2000/1500 years is not yesterday by any means.

There existed cultural counciouseness,and cultural divisions,and romans viewed their culture as the superior one,it can be found xenophobic comments about other cultures,not hostility towards other ethnicities,that concept was unknown.

Somethings we have today derive from theirs,not all of them,none of theirs derive from ours.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor no hostility? your telling me the average pleb on the street of Rome, who likely had a family member in the legions, did not think that the Gauls were disgusting, barbarian, inferior, etc.? especially when their loved ones were killed by said Gauls? As i said before- human behavior has not changed the slightest since the dawn of man- only the geopolitical environment has- and that is what dictates how we behave.

[ViriathusVingathor]

"Disgusting" and "barbarian",in a civilizational sense,not ethnic,Rome admitted all its enemies,defeated,or victorious,as mens,equal to them,just inferior in their ways.

"Different times,different wills",human behavior changes,despite there is some basic objectives,that never change.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor no your wrong about that, in Rome there were ethnic divides, Romans considered themselves supperior to other ethnic groups- you obviously are clearly detatched from the first person perspective of historical peoples, even if you know the specific facts of history. Racism has existed since Ancient India when aryans created the elitist caste system- this was a long time before Rome, sorry but ethnic divides, etc. come along with being human.

[ViriathusVingathor]

There are some few examples,like Prussia the first western racists,in medieval times,where some were judged as superior to others because they descendent from "better blood".

French foreign Legion was different,it was constituted in nationalist times,the french king,wanted to recruit foreigners to avoid the spilling of the precious "french blood"...... those were really treated as shit.

While the Varangian guard was the most precious part of the Byzantine army,employed as the last resort.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor the FFL is still comproised of foreign nationals today, and sent in as elite shock troops- France to this day is known for its elitist snobbish attitude towards non-french, and their attitude to Muslims, north africans, and other ethnic minorities in France are no doubt to the same degree with which Romans viewed their ethnic minorities. The Varangians are not a good example because Scandanavians were not a subjugated group.

[ImperialGuard9001]

@XIPM3 I would say that how Romans saw their "ethic minoraties" but sorry but are romans even and ethinc nation? Romans arent a nation they are group of nations there was no "Pure Romans" a roman could be from Britania to Syria to Hispania Germania Galia Italia Greece etc they were all romans I guess the only minoratie that all romans despited because they pretty much refuse to integrated manily because of religion were jews

[ImperialGuard9001]

@ViriathusVingathor FF Legion was created by Emperor not by a king they were no kings in france after the fall of the bourbons

[ViriathusVingathor]

Don´t see the point in your comparison,a Tiger is a irrational animal,human is a rational animal.

Humans of today are physically equal to those of 2000 years ago,2000 years even 20 000 years, is nothing in evolutionary terms,but it represents a lot in historic/mental terms.

"Life is water not stone"

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor A tiger, and other animals are less complex species than humans- so in the last 2,000 years they haven't changed a single bit, yet we humans have? this is a scientific impossibility as it is a law of science that less complex organisms evolve faster, my point being human mentality has not changed the slightest bit- only the political paramters in which we live have, these are nothing more or less than temporary behavior modifiers.

[ImperialGuard9001]

@XIPM3 Romans could consider themselfs superior but doesnt matter becuase there wasnt a nation of ROmans but instead a nation of peoples that tough themselfs as romans nothing else nothing more the first Romans were Latins then they conquer the rest of latins then the rest of italic peoples then gauls celtiiberians greeks etc there was never a roman nation as we see today for example Germans

[ViriathusVingathor]

Cultural counciouseness makes part of human nature,ethnic counciouseness does not,all of us are already a mix of many ethnicities.

Ancient Egypt is even more shocking,in 5000 years of history,there is one single record of a robbery,physical violence was inadmissible,woman's were equal to mens,something achieved in the west 100 years ago, and war was a despised activity until the late Empire,egyptian armies were normally composed by mercenaries from other lands,not under egyptian influence.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor today we are a mix of ethnicities because of cultural assimlation that has occured over thousands of years- back in Roman times, this was not nearly as true. the degree of an ethnically mixed population as it exists today, did NOT exist to the same degree in Ancient times. Ethnic purity back then was somewhat of a reality. did racism exist in the Nazi sense? no, but there were ethnic divides, disdain, and xenophobia.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@XIPM3

We still have examples today,of somewhat untouched ancient cultures,in the Guarani language(I believe) there is no insulting words,and is no word for robbery,something nearly  inconceivable in our minds.

Mankind progresses,however it also regresses.

[XIPM3]

@ViriathusVingathor so little is known about the Gaurani people that you cannot even discuss them, virtually no history is recorded about them, so talking about them is pointless. Natives did however engage in warfare, looting etc. the violence that existed, existed to the same degree as it did anywhere else in the world- the Aztecs were viewed by smaller tribes with the same hatred that Chechens have for Russians, Gauls for Romans, Uighurs and Tibetans for Chinese, etc.

[ImperialGuard9001]

@ViriathusVingathor Indeed!XD

[ImperialGuard9001]

@ViriathusVingathor The Romans were made off Barbarians after all

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ImperialGuard9001 Indeed.

[roas2]

its the gangs in rome fighting for control of the streets

[XIPM3]

@DeRodeLeeuw It's a gang war in the streets of Rome. Pullo was acting boss because Lucius Vorenus left or something.

[000majorwinters000]

I love the cuirass and the leather banded armor Pullo outfitted himself with in this scene.

[MyXboxIsBroken]

Why was that chick aiming for the groin all the time?

[krazedlunatick]

... you need to ask?

[MegaWolfgang]

@MyXboxIsBroken what else do women aim for and stand a chance

[Hakodan]

awsome battle! great show!

[hogwash2nd]

what is thirteen?

[Hakodan]

he means his legion, wich is the thirteenth.

[Cirifischio88]

Legio XIII Gemina