Any innate ability has to be an evolutionary trait. Once again, this only contradicts intelligent design if you use your mind to create contradictions. I like to see the passing phase as an emergence into partnership after an extended period of domination. This is because we evolve through experience. Our rate of evolution increases with different factors, one of which is your emotional state. (see Greg Braden, Robert Anton Wilson,)
I personally feel that all dualities are always two sides of the same thing. I would go as far as to say our inherent belief systems were constructed so as to force us into partisan(paradigm) thinking. This serves to create cognitive dissonance and ensures lack of communication. Speaking of which, it was our divorce from nature that began our suffering. If time is seen from a non-linear perspective than we are returning to the harmonic balance that we naturally separated from.
Those who have no empathy are usually called sociopaths & are huge problems for society. So I think empathy is a part of our nature. Empathy is very close to conscience. I have 4 kids. My kids showed empathy naturally & I did all I could to develop & encourage it. Kind of like having a raw talent; it's there, but take the kids to lessons & watch it develop. So it's part of our nature to begin with, but the nurturing determines whether that part of our nature is developed or squashed.
I think empathy is part of human nature but our culture replaces real heart-felt empathy with a mind-trained empathy that shows concernment because that how we supposed to react but does not feel very much anymore. It's mainly due to the overwhelming amount of news we're bombarded with by the media and in order to protect yourself from these disturbing emotions, real empathy shuts down. The way I read other peoples energy and emotions I figured the shutdown takes place around the end of puberty.
Empathy would have to respond to the concept of good & bad, moral & immoral. The moral law, I think is written on the heart of humanity, at least in its most basic sense. Refining our ability to both recognize and follow such a law is why we have parents, families, communities, and institutions that help to pass on values. If it's just self interest, then nothing is actually wrong in an objective sense. More likely it's an evolved trait in that sense.
My dad had a sign on his desk "EMPATHY" all his life. He read the Dale Carnegie books "How to make friends and influence people". Empathy is innate in humans, but it can be improved upon with mental discipline.
Atticus Finch in "To Kill a Mockingbird" has empathy. Thanks for the video.
Perhaps below empathy is recognition. By recognition I mean when we view a situation or a scene do we recognise it to be truthful or a decit. We need to recognize things correctly first before we can judge whether we can steer our judgement towards a conclusion such as empty or justice.
@haggsbo I'm currently examining the concepts of contrast and perspective. For example, if we see a starving child in our street we would probably feed that child, but if we see a starving child amongst thousands of starving children in Darfur we probably don't take action. And I feel it's because of the difference in contrast between two scenes.
If it is all nature than no one ever has to take any responsibility...lots of people like that. If it is all nurture than we think we can control and run everything and everyone. It is a combination of both, nurture & nature that makes us up.
If empathy was not the natural norm, I think there would be a lot more sociopaths in the world today. Indeed, one could argue that many of the sociopaths around today are the result of their social environment.
I am generally jaded in my view of humanity, but I do think that most people are born with an innate goodness in their soul that confounds the actions of the few who only care about themselves.
1 Feelings are not facts - this can be reflected in a jury trial
2 Natural is the way thing were when we checked in, eating people may be natural for a cannibal some of Papa New Guni.
3 Empathy is when we can put ourselves in another's shoes, even something besides another person, I may feel sorry for the cow that I ate for dinner but that didn't stop me for eating the steak.
On a personal level I think empathy has to also account for the mindset of actions take or not taken which will effect others and perhaps ourselves into the future, the interconnectedness and consequences, was the action knee jerk, planned, or none.
To ponder is to wonder at deeper level on this one.
Empathy it seems to me is part experience and part natural. But part of true empathy is knowing when not to help someone...
"If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles."
True true, I went that rout cause I did'nt see anyone else mention this angle. Empathy seems to allow us to be altruistic. Empathy seems to also allow us to be calous, at times. So there is an interesting dicotomy between the needy and the generous. Yes, you can help others but can they help themselves? Yes, you can receive donation but can you say yield? Entitlement mentality comes to mind.
Haggs, in my opinion, empathy is something that is taught by parents and society. I think that some people, genetically, must have less than zero empathy or conscience. Deep down, even the most f'd up people must have some empathy. Hey, Jason Voorhies did, he loved his mama. lol
On the topic of Empathy, I believe it's part innate and part learned through life experiences. Example: If someone went through a lot of hardship, they have learned to be more empathetic to someone who's presently suffering. Working in healthcare, I try to visualize myself as the one I'm caring for. Depending on the illness, it might be almost impossible to do, but that's when the Golden rule is applied. That's my take, anyway.
@ou818bug I agree with you here. However, sometimes people that go through some really tough shit will develop negaempathy. I made this word up of course. It just means, because this person suffered, their empathy meter is in the negative. Change in friends, mates, career and lifestyle can greatly increase the meter in the positive direction.
Nice thoughts. All of the videos I've seen of you are about politics. This was very different.
I think nature & nurture are so intertwined that they can't be separated. People develop & change, but that is also a part of our nature. In terms of moral behavior, there are moral development models. However, I separate the philosophical question of freewill from the psychological question of nature vs nurture. The question of nature vs nurture isn't a question of how free we are.
I was very curious to learn about your perspective in order to see how it fits into and informs your social/political views. Nature vs nurture, freewill... all of this is fundamental to how we think society & govts should operate. I only partly identify with libertarianism, but many of the ideas interest me. Do you ever watch stefbot's videos? He talks about anarcho-capitalism which I'm skeptical about, but he has some interesting videos about psychology & childhood trauma.
I am in agreement with Stefbot on a lot of things. I like the anarcho-capitalism and the concept of voluntarism. His way to get there, however, I find to be self defeating.
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
-Plato
I have not checked out his other stuff but I love his videos.
@haggsbo I like the general ideals that Stefbot presents. I like many ideals from many people. Things always sound so lovely in the abstract. But I'm a cynical guy & the devil is in the details. I just don't see why Stefbot's ideals are inherently better than the next person's ideals. On the practical level, I see many ways anarcho-capitalism could go wrong, could be corrupted or used as rhetoric by someone seeking personal power.
I believe it is...because when we see someone in pain or down we want to help them. It's basically an intuitive behavior and I believe we were all created with it at birth.
In my experience, people believe whatever they WANT to believe.
You can NEVER change someones beliefs - only when THEY decide they want to change their beliefs will they open themselves up to new ideas and concepts.
Yeah...It is all based on their attitude towards hearing a different point of view. Some people will never agree because they already decided before you even say anything.
I like your perspective on all this that's going down.
Awesome videos, keep 'em coming!!
thor653 1 year ago
@thor653
Thanks man...I really appreciate that.
haggsbo 1 year ago
Any innate ability has to be an evolutionary trait. Once again, this only contradicts intelligent design if you use your mind to create contradictions. I like to see the passing phase as an emergence into partnership after an extended period of domination. This is because we evolve through experience. Our rate of evolution increases with different factors, one of which is your emotional state. (see Greg Braden, Robert Anton Wilson,)
MolecularSpirit 1 year ago
I personally feel that all dualities are always two sides of the same thing. I would go as far as to say our inherent belief systems were constructed so as to force us into partisan(paradigm) thinking. This serves to create cognitive dissonance and ensures lack of communication. Speaking of which, it was our divorce from nature that began our suffering. If time is seen from a non-linear perspective than we are returning to the harmonic balance that we naturally separated from.
MolecularSpirit 1 year ago
Those who have no empathy are usually called sociopaths & are huge problems for society. So I think empathy is a part of our nature. Empathy is very close to conscience. I have 4 kids. My kids showed empathy naturally & I did all I could to develop & encourage it. Kind of like having a raw talent; it's there, but take the kids to lessons & watch it develop. So it's part of our nature to begin with, but the nurturing determines whether that part of our nature is developed or squashed.
imsailing2 1 year ago
I think empathy is part of human nature but our culture replaces real heart-felt empathy with a mind-trained empathy that shows concernment because that how we supposed to react but does not feel very much anymore. It's mainly due to the overwhelming amount of news we're bombarded with by the media and in order to protect yourself from these disturbing emotions, real empathy shuts down. The way I read other peoples energy and emotions I figured the shutdown takes place around the end of puberty.
Insightcollector 1 year ago
Empathy would have to respond to the concept of good & bad, moral & immoral. The moral law, I think is written on the heart of humanity, at least in its most basic sense. Refining our ability to both recognize and follow such a law is why we have parents, families, communities, and institutions that help to pass on values. If it's just self interest, then nothing is actually wrong in an objective sense. More likely it's an evolved trait in that sense.
veritasfiles 1 year ago
I loved it...
The life of the seed is in itself, is your answer.
Is empathy of the nature of the divine or the biological is your question you are trying to answer...
thanks freind great video...
early2it 1 year ago
@early2it
Thanks for that.
haggsbo 1 year ago
Without an understanding of how Man fits into the world he inhabits, the concept of self-preservation will always win out over empathy.
Justice is not a contrived value, it is the innate responce to someone's perception.
Who told you it was wrong to murder? Most likely, your parents. Who told them? The cycle continues.
tak178 1 year ago
My dad had a sign on his desk "EMPATHY" all his life. He read the Dale Carnegie books "How to make friends and influence people". Empathy is innate in humans, but it can be improved upon with mental discipline.
Atticus Finch in "To Kill a Mockingbird" has empathy. Thanks for the video.
mcgrawtim123 1 year ago
your car looks different =P
fourdoorchevelle 1 year ago
Perhaps below empathy is recognition. By recognition I mean when we view a situation or a scene do we recognise it to be truthful or a decit. We need to recognize things correctly first before we can judge whether we can steer our judgement towards a conclusion such as empty or justice.
stevo728822 1 year ago
@stevo728822
good one...I was waiting for your input.
haggsbo 1 year ago
@haggsbo I'm currently examining the concepts of contrast and perspective. For example, if we see a starving child in our street we would probably feed that child, but if we see a starving child amongst thousands of starving children in Darfur we probably don't take action. And I feel it's because of the difference in contrast between two scenes.
stevo728822 1 year ago
If it is all nature than no one ever has to take any responsibility...lots of people like that. If it is all nurture than we think we can control and run everything and everyone. It is a combination of both, nurture & nature that makes us up.
imsailing2 1 year ago
If empathy was not the natural norm, I think there would be a lot more sociopaths in the world today. Indeed, one could argue that many of the sociopaths around today are the result of their social environment.
I am generally jaded in my view of humanity, but I do think that most people are born with an innate goodness in their soul that confounds the actions of the few who only care about themselves.
Good video.
frgtmygld 1 year ago
1 Feelings are not facts - this can be reflected in a jury trial
2 Natural is the way thing were when we checked in, eating people may be natural for a cannibal some of Papa New Guni.
3 Empathy is when we can put ourselves in another's shoes, even something besides another person, I may feel sorry for the cow that I ate for dinner but that didn't stop me for eating the steak.
UU361 1 year ago
@UU361
I'm with you and eating people may also be cultural.
haggsbo 1 year ago
@haggsbo
On a personal level I think empathy has to also account for the mindset of actions take or not taken which will effect others and perhaps ourselves into the future, the interconnectedness and consequences, was the action knee jerk, planned, or none.
To ponder is to wonder at deeper level on this one.
UU361 1 year ago
Empathy it seems to me is part experience and part natural. But part of true empathy is knowing when not to help someone...
"If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles."
WoodlandRavah 1 year ago
@WoodlandRavah
Fair enough, but couldn't you empathize with someone but not help them?
In other words, empathy seems to be just a recognition. I think it is quite different from altruism.
haggsbo 1 year ago
@haggsbo
True true, I went that rout cause I did'nt see anyone else mention this angle. Empathy seems to allow us to be altruistic. Empathy seems to also allow us to be calous, at times. So there is an interesting dicotomy between the needy and the generous. Yes, you can help others but can they help themselves? Yes, you can receive donation but can you say yield? Entitlement mentality comes to mind.
WoodlandRavah 1 year ago
Haggs, in my opinion, empathy is something that is taught by parents and society. I think that some people, genetically, must have less than zero empathy or conscience. Deep down, even the most f'd up people must have some empathy. Hey, Jason Voorhies did, he loved his mama. lol
GuidofromOtsego 1 year ago
@GuidofromOtsego
chalk one up for the nurture camp on empathy
haggsbo 1 year ago
On the topic of Empathy, I believe it's part innate and part learned through life experiences. Example: If someone went through a lot of hardship, they have learned to be more empathetic to someone who's presently suffering. Working in healthcare, I try to visualize myself as the one I'm caring for. Depending on the illness, it might be almost impossible to do, but that's when the Golden rule is applied. That's my take, anyway.
ou818bug 1 year ago
@ou818bug I agree with you here. However, sometimes people that go through some really tough shit will develop negaempathy. I made this word up of course. It just means, because this person suffered, their empathy meter is in the negative. Change in friends, mates, career and lifestyle can greatly increase the meter in the positive direction.
GuidofromOtsego 1 year ago
Nice thoughts. All of the videos I've seen of you are about politics. This was very different.
I think nature & nurture are so intertwined that they can't be separated. People develop & change, but that is also a part of our nature. In terms of moral behavior, there are moral development models. However, I separate the philosophical question of freewill from the psychological question of nature vs nurture. The question of nature vs nurture isn't a question of how free we are.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Wow...good input. I guess a lot of this depends on how one defines free.
haggsbo 1 year ago
I was very curious to learn about your perspective in order to see how it fits into and informs your social/political views. Nature vs nurture, freewill... all of this is fundamental to how we think society & govts should operate. I only partly identify with libertarianism, but many of the ideas interest me. Do you ever watch stefbot's videos? He talks about anarcho-capitalism which I'm skeptical about, but he has some interesting videos about psychology & childhood trauma.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I am in agreement with Stefbot on a lot of things. I like the anarcho-capitalism and the concept of voluntarism. His way to get there, however, I find to be self defeating.
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
-Plato
I have not checked out his other stuff but I love his videos.
haggsbo 1 year ago
@haggsbo I like the general ideals that Stefbot presents. I like many ideals from many people. Things always sound so lovely in the abstract. But I'm a cynical guy & the devil is in the details. I just don't see why Stefbot's ideals are inherently better than the next person's ideals. On the practical level, I see many ways anarcho-capitalism could go wrong, could be corrupted or used as rhetoric by someone seeking personal power.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
He reminds me of Rand at times...that also has good and bad connotations.
haggsbo 1 year ago
@haggsbo How does he remind you of Rand? And why do you think his proposed methods of achieving anarcho-capitalism would be self defeating?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
I believe it is...because when we see someone in pain or down we want to help them. It's basically an intuitive behavior and I believe we were all created with it at birth.
DirtyVegas7 1 year ago
@PressForFreedom
Yes...I am willing to listen but I do have some pretty strong positions on some things.
I'm going to read "the Critical Path" by this Fuller guy he speaks of. We'll see how that is.
haggsbo 1 year ago
In my experience, people believe whatever they WANT to believe.
You can NEVER change someones beliefs - only when THEY decide they want to change their beliefs will they open themselves up to new ideas and concepts.
-TEW
theeastwatch 1 year ago
@theeastwatch
Yeah...It is all based on their attitude towards hearing a different point of view. Some people will never agree because they already decided before you even say anything.
haggsbo 1 year ago