@Handspoken Supernatural power is a broad term and we may both interpret that in different ways. The extent of CHI is to control the blood flow. As simple as that. Obviously it's applications can be very diverse. To adding power and control in MA, faster regeneration, healthier internal organs, etc. I don't want to say it can cure cancer, but it can definitely slow it down. Apparently it can even make someone immortal, Li Ching-Yuen. cheers
@ninjadann Not just blood flow but better control of breathing for better stamina, power and concentration. The breathing ensures that you are also massaging the organs as you inhale/ exhale by way of diaphragm. It's too bad westerners would rather remain ignorant about the underlying methods used in chi/ qi gong.
@IPC203 As a practitioner of CHI / QI Gong myself, i didn't want to get into the details. In summary it is the control of blood flow in your body. Yes breathing is a fundamental part of CHI, where it helps balance the body from the internals and externals. Chi is ery mysterious in the effects of every person!. It all comes down to belief. The more you have it, the more you gain. cheers
@ninjadann yes, qigong along with shaolin and WC training helps me stand out in sports and the police academy for my power/ stamina with calm attitude. Too bad I started too late to be a standout in professional sports.
Sadly, once you put mysticism into it then the average westerner will poo poo anything to do with chi. Some will even avoid schools that incorporate it into the curriculum. Thankfully WC is very subtle in training it (it's very visible in Siu lim tao to those who know).
@Handspoken your message is contradictory. your perception is still narrow. it's great that you are learning, but never shun out/ignore the things you don't understand. im talking about the "chi" part in ur message.
Ving Tsun is meant to be simple. Whenever it needs fancy or hair-raising explanations, you know that something is wrong.
@bungieftw1990 you don't "fight like this", it's merely just one (basic) solo-exercise. Imagine a guitar player slowly practising a scale or makes warm-up exercises.... In this case, a concept of elbow/hip/ankle positioning is trained, nothing more really.
What exactly is this? I don't want to be ignorant like cryjesuscry, but I don't understand what he is doing this for. I couldn't imagine someone fighting like this.
@bungieftw1990 Siu lim tau is the foundation upon which the entire wing chun system was built. it includes basic techniques such as stance, shifting, blocks, punches and finger strikes as well as much more i can't remember on top of my head. You basicly practice the movement and the center line etc etc.
@Nightball12 Why would you practice something so slow if you need to be so fast at it? I would think you could do this at a faster pace from the get-go.
@bungieftw1990 It's been said that you learn the movement alot better like this. If you look closely some are done fast other slow. Its for muscle memory or something like that. Ever seen tai chi?
@bungieftw1990 It is hard to understand, from simply looking, what application this has to real fighting. This exercise teaches proper structure, rooting, and energy movement. These ideas, once internalized, are applicable to actual fighting.
Fantastic video! He was a true grandmaster in every sense of the word. I've learnt from Sifu Jim Fung, who was a student of Sigung Chu Shong Tin. Chu trained alongside Wong under Yip Man. I like how both are renowned for different aspects of the art, and would love an opportunity to learn from Wong's lineage somewhere in future!
Why don't you all grow up. If you had any understanding of Wing Chun then you would know that it is based on CONCEPTS and not FORMS. So what if my SNT is different from yours?? A tan sao is a tan sao and a bong sao is a bong sao. As long as you understand the CONCEPT of the shape then it makes no difference where in the form you perform it. Look at it this way - Chi Sao is never played the same way twice but the shapes used - bong,tan etc stay the same regardless of where they occur in Chi Sao
everyone stop arguing about which lineage is better. Just because yip man is a famous hero doesnt mean his lineage is better and just because master wong gave bruce lee trouble when they were sparing doesnt mean that his lineage is better.
Hi everyone. I would just like to apologize for the comments i made about there being deliberate mistakes in WSL's form. I believed that the elbow strikes of the second and third section were too circular and rising, something too clumsy for someone like WSL. I thought the bong was too high and few little things like elbows turning outwards during huen sau. Of course, Wong knows better and i had no right to make such a remark.
@midnightreggae I wouldn’t worry too much about it. These old generation of guys often did things deliberately wrong if they were being filmed, not wanting to just give away what they knew to anyone who watched the film, it’s quite possible that he did deliberately do things wrong for this reason. The test is to watch a bunch of his vids and look for differences. But there’s no doubt about it this guy is the genuine article.
huh? i never said anything about William Cheung and secret training or him being the only one to learn traditional wing chun.
All i said was William Cheung has really fought in the street before when he was in Australia...
That said, i'm not a fan of William Cheung, or learned from anyone under him or anything, just stating the facts as i heard it from someone who was senior to William Cheung under Yip Man.
This is WSL's right form. He modified a little bit of the form to cater for his experience during one of his fights with another kung fu exponent . This is with Grandmaster Yip Man's blessing of course. As for the Yee Gee kim Yeung ma, ( WSL said, it's suppose to fit the practitioner's body structure and the one that works for him. He's comfortable with this stance but that doesn't mean you have to follow suit. He should be in the Hall of fame!
"He modified a little bit of the form to cater for his experience..."
And that is totally cool. I do Ip Ching WC, & Ip has modifed a few little things here and there because that's what's worked for him. Hell, I'VE modified a few things too. I think it's perfectly fine to change things in WC as long as you're honest about it ("Here's what I changed, & here's why"), and as long as you know the original way was done (ie, the way Ip Man originally taught it).
Another point: all these little changes that Ip Ching has made, that WSL made, & that I've made are just that - little. None of the modifications are blatant reinventions or deletions of fundamental WC principles (the centerline, simultaneous attck/dfns, elbow position, etc.), just personal expressions of those principles and emphasizing some things.
Compare the forms of WSL, Ip Man, Ip Ching, Chu Shong Tin, or even Leung Ting. You'll see variation, but it's all WC.
Could u share this entire footage with Master Wong Shun Leung . Or maybe you want to sell this stuff if is possible ? Over the internet I found just 2 DVD for sale . I paid $49.99 for a DVD .
@linuxva Gary Lam has a Biu Jee dvd out and thats good, although he doesn't go into the form with the same amount of detail as David peterson's 3 dvds on Siu Nim Tau, Cham Kiu and Wooden Dummy . The way its interpreted within the WSL family is thats its an emergency form used when in alot of trouble, eg elbow been taken, one arm broke etc and trains concepts of how to escape efficiently. David Peterson has schools across europe etc and has seminars in the UK every year if your interested.
na hes not butchering it but in all fairness this was older than his the science of in fighting video where he does have slight changes to the form and the speed in which it is done. but tht bkus masters of martial arts change the art to their own style or functioality.
@JVThrillz It's far from outdated. When you grow another arm and leg, then come back and say that, until then our body mechanics haven't changed. This is a PROVEN full fighting system developed for street combat, fighting under serious pressure for survival!! WSL raised the bar so high back in the Beimo HK days, no one has even come close!
I have had only a small bit of training in Wing Chun (and that's being generous) and what little I know comes from the Moy Yat lineage. I learned to do SNT so slowly that it would take an hour to perform. Does the WSL lineage train SNT the same way?
get out of the moy yat system now mate. i train wsl and my father teaches, he spent 10 yrs trying every different lineage and found that wsl is by far the most effective.
thats not to say that moy yats is rubbish because its not and i would never suggest it but find somewhere near you to practice wsl and go and have a look. you'll be amazed at what suttle differences can do.
please dont take this as me saying one way is crap and one way is good im just saying take a look.
@donrickdon On the contrary, I appreciate your honesty. I can tell just from youtube videos that each lineage has a certain look. In my rather uneducated opinion I've found that the Moy Yat lineage is too passive for my tastes, whereas Gary Lam's wing chun seems more aggressive, which is what I like.
I don't think there's any wsl wing chun in Atlanta because Atlanta sucks fuck, but thanks for the information!
Most Ip Man lineages teach how to do SLT such that it takes an hour to perform. (specifically, the first 3rd of the form with the tan sau & fook sau's). The same is undoubtedly true for WSL-lineage. It's just that in the context of a demonstration (or even during a session of class) it's not practical to do SLT that way. Doing SLT like that is something that, once you've been shown how to do it that way, is something for you to do on your own time.
WSL was the king of the challenge fights. I master who actually fought on the streets everyday using Wing Chun and ending up victorious. He was a proper badass. This is just a form. We don't fight like this. It trains our elbow power, forward intention and mind for real scraps.
@cryjesuscry bruce lee learned much of what he knew about WC from this man. I think its fair to say that WSL wouldve rocked bruce lee, just image what he could do to me or you.
Very good. Obviously modified slightly to his personal wishes. Ging looks good.
Interesting that he added a section with a wu sau jut. It is traditionally a technique that appears very often in the dummy form. I guess he thought it was important enough to learn from the get go.
Also interesting how he draws the palm back after the pak. Disagree with that myself, but i can see why he may prefer it (ie. a big strike instead of a structure destroyer)
@ozzie1246 He draws the hand back after Pak Sau, because he is training a different concept. The hand is now on the outside of an opponent and the shape and action of the ascending palm, allows the elbow to be tucked into the centreline position and beat an imaginary straight line attack down the centreline.
I totally agree about "awesome" & "intense", but I don't think it's all that different from Ip Man. Sure, WSL tweeked a few things here & there, but his SLT & Ip Man's SLT still have waaaaay more in common than they do differences.
If you want to see something truly different from Ip Man's stuff, look up William Cheung, (only Cheung's stuff is the exact opposite of "awesome"....it sucks & he sucks, but it is completely different from Ip Man WC, unlike our friend Wong)
To accuse WSL of putting "deliberate mistakes" in his form is ridiculous. It's insane. Whoever says that is probably the same kind of person that believes William Cheung's absurd stories.....moronic.
However, Wong DID make a few personal modifications. And there's nothing wrong with that. No doubt if anyone was to ask, I'm sure he would have told them what he changed, and why, & I bet he could demonstrate his reasons, too.
@TwoGunGunnar Hey dude, I'm in the WSL lineage and I'm told, by I think 2 sources so far, that he did put quite a few deliberate mistakes into his Science of In-Fighting documentary. Would you know anything about this? This isnt me trying to be a keyboard warrior and argue with you :D just asking your opinion on the matter.
1. Why would he do that? Would you do that? No? Why not? Probably the same reason I would never do that - it's weird, makes no sense, there's no point, and it's dishonest.
I wouldn't do that, nor would you, nor would Wong Shun Leung.
2. What were these "deliberate mistakes"? I do WC, and I don't see anything I'd call a "mistake".
@TwoGunGunnar I'm told it was too hide some methods from public view so as to reserve them for students. Again, this is only what I've been told, and its not a point I'm stating for the purpose of debate as I don't know if its true.
Whoever told you that was mistaken. It's not true.
I've been doing WC for a while now, & one thing I've heard from a few different sources is "There are no secrets in WC".
See: watch?v=1r5eISF-hwY
Note what he says at 4:10. Peterson knew WSL as well as anyone.
Aside from that, if you want to keep your methods secret, you aren't going to make a video at all. It makes no sense that WSL would make a video, & do stuff wrong on purpose. The whole idea is silly from the get-go.
@TwoGunGunnar I see! Well if anybody is qualified to pass opinion on this its certainly david peterson. Thanks very much for the reference! All the best with you WC! :)
As i have said previously, you need a great teacher. There are many subtleties to this form, they take years to develop and it is constantly referenced no matter what your level, it needs to be felt. It also needs to be tested. I am simply encouraging people too seek out a good teacher, especially those who believe this to be good form, for the reasons i have stated - and so that they can properly defend themselves, with confidence, something that cannot be learnt through imitation.
@midnightreggae Its not really deliberately putting mistakes. More like he is performing the forms in the way that he sees it working in real life. You gotta remember that WC has been broken down over the years, mainly due to individual's interpretation of movement and how they see it working realistically. Yip Man did the same when he learnt it from another master. Wan Kam Leung (senior disciple of WSL) modified his forms slightly. Theres no right or wrong form. Only ones that work for you.
Possibly, i see where you are coming from. My personal opinion is that yip man only taught the full system to a handful of people yet there are many who teach his style unofficialy, people who may or may not have been taught by him, yet never completed the system. Wong may have feared a similar reaction, who knows.
What you say about he not wanting people to nick his ideas it's a bit selfish really, isn't the idea to share the knowledge to make more masters of the art so that the masters could possibly learn from there students otherwise the art will die and knowledge will lost.
Wong Shun Leung is legend! There are many good lineages out there, and it is always the individuals responsibility to make wing chun work for them. But to fully appreciate and understand WSL's ideas will only enhance your wing chun, his reputation precedes him! However, it is worth mentioning that in many of his videos (including this one) he deliberately performs 'bad' techniques, as i'm sure any WSL/ wing chun practitioner has noticed, as he didn't want people stealing his ideas. Second class.
By second class i mean that you can only learn/understand Wing Chun by doing it, and if you did, you would know what i mean. Like Wong himself, you need a decent teacher and an open mind.
i did recognize the bad techniques like the very end bit and some other parts,leung was such a great master of wing chun,but what are there that dont have mistakes
your a fucking moron mate, you havent even started real wing chun yet. another keyboard warrior that knows everything. this guy was one of the very few people to ever master the Ving Tsun system, your not worthy of passing comment on wong shun leungs first form.
@BULLSHIT123xx: My master Gary Lam is a student of Huang Liang (Wong Shen Leung), and it's been said that even Bruce Lee himself on his visits back to HK to spar with Master Wong, Bruce still had problems beating him. Master Wong's lineage is still by far one of the deadliest of all the WC lineages. Don't worry about the keyboard warriors. It's better that people stay ignorant, so you have less idiots disgracing the WC name...they can all go take UFC MMA if I care. LOL
dude, William Cheung fought in real fights when he went to Australia... cant say the same for Leung Ting... besides, William Cheung really did train under Yip Man... not an impostor like Leung Ting
he's as good as ppl say he is, trust me. One of my Si Hing trained with him when he went to live and work in LA for a while, says he's a real nice person also.
directly from my Sifu, Chris Chan, who is in the official list of students of Yip Man, and is recognized as such by those who were Yip Man's students, including Yip Ching and Yip Chun, my Si Gung's sons. Again, i cant say the same for Leung Ting on all those counts.
Leung Ting is undoubtedly a douchebag. Yes, LT exaggerates about his training with Ip, & faked a pic of him & Ip.
BUT....
You have to be a COMPLETE DUMBASS to believe William Cheung's story about "secret training" and being the only one to learn "traditional wing chun". The fact is Cheung took a few years of lessons as a teenager, made up what he wasn't taught, and made up a story so he could sell himself as a master. He's just like Ashida Kim or Frank Dux. Only idiots believe him.
Cheung SAYS he fought in real fights. Cheung also SAYS Ip Man cheated ALL his students except Cheung. Cheung SAYS a lot of stupid shit.
And Ting's the same way. He SAYS all sorts of bullshit...doesn't mean any of it's true.
And, just because Ting & Cheung hate each other doesn't mean they aren't both a couple of lying douchebags. They are. Both of them are lying egomaniacs. F&^k both of 'em.
@TwoGunGunnar What i know, i heard from my teacher. He has a friend who was a classmate of William Cheung's in school in Australia, and can attest that he did fight ppl who picked on Chinese students in Australia.
I agree that its unwise to take at face value what he says about himself. Ever since Si Gung Yip Man died, a lot of his students have set about systematically altering their percieved relationship with him in order to position themselves as the most 'legitimate'.
OK, perhaps Cheung did fight occasionally. For the sake of argument, I'll go with you on that.
But, when you say "a LOT of his students...etc", I disagree. The fact is, MOST of Ip's students are perfectly honest about what they learned, how they learned it, & what their relationship with Ip was. It's really only Ting & Cheung that tell all the silly stories so as to make themselves appear special.
I remember a story I was told my Sifu when I was young.
It concerned the Wing Chun legend Wong Shun Leung and another WC exponent who strangely enough was also called Wong.
Basically, they fought and Wong Shun Leung's Kung-Fu was obviously superior but several of the onlookers including my teacher were less than impressed by the whole spectacle.
"Why was this so?" I asked.
My Master chastised me saying:
"Everybody knows that two WONGS don't make a right."
First form by one of the best students of Yip Man. So if your Yip Man lineage Wing Chun first form does not look much like this (note the huen sau movement and the chain punches in particular) then ask your sifu/grandmaster why they have modified/bastardised Wong's, and therefore Yip Man's, form.
Thank you for the post, everyone who learns wing chun should watch!
@mrbastardisthetruth - Yip Man taught many students who became teachers. Most of them do all their forms differently. Firstly, Yip Man modified the forms as the years passed to reflect different perspectives & understandings of the art, secondly, no sifu will do the forms correctly on video - that is taboo in this culture, thirdly, Yip Man taught students how to do things according to their strengths and weaknesses - as it should be taught since humans are not identical in build or capacities.
@Handspoken Supernatural power is a broad term and we may both interpret that in different ways. The extent of CHI is to control the blood flow. As simple as that. Obviously it's applications can be very diverse. To adding power and control in MA, faster regeneration, healthier internal organs, etc. I don't want to say it can cure cancer, but it can definitely slow it down. Apparently it can even make someone immortal, Li Ching-Yuen. cheers
ninjadann 1 month ago
@ninjadann Not just blood flow but better control of breathing for better stamina, power and concentration. The breathing ensures that you are also massaging the organs as you inhale/ exhale by way of diaphragm. It's too bad westerners would rather remain ignorant about the underlying methods used in chi/ qi gong.
IPC203 1 week ago
@IPC203 As a practitioner of CHI / QI Gong myself, i didn't want to get into the details. In summary it is the control of blood flow in your body. Yes breathing is a fundamental part of CHI, where it helps balance the body from the internals and externals. Chi is ery mysterious in the effects of every person!. It all comes down to belief. The more you have it, the more you gain. cheers
ninjadann 1 week ago
@ninjadann yes, qigong along with shaolin and WC training helps me stand out in sports and the police academy for my power/ stamina with calm attitude. Too bad I started too late to be a standout in professional sports.
Sadly, once you put mysticism into it then the average westerner will poo poo anything to do with chi. Some will even avoid schools that incorporate it into the curriculum. Thankfully WC is very subtle in training it (it's very visible in Siu lim tao to those who know).
IPC203 1 week ago
@Handspoken your message is contradictory. your perception is still narrow. it's great that you are learning, but never shun out/ignore the things you don't understand. im talking about the "chi" part in ur message.
ninjadann 1 month ago
Mr Wong Shun Leung the best student Mr Ip Man had, A true Grand Master we should be happy video's like this exists!
MarioBonafe76 1 month ago
do we have to mirror this or can we just follow it?
webstertoh 2 months ago
Ving Tsun is meant to be simple. Whenever it needs fancy or hair-raising explanations, you know that something is wrong.
@bungieftw1990 you don't "fight like this", it's merely just one (basic) solo-exercise. Imagine a guitar player slowly practising a scale or makes warm-up exercises.... In this case, a concept of elbow/hip/ankle positioning is trained, nothing more really.
jedzvt 3 months ago
What exactly is this? I don't want to be ignorant like cryjesuscry, but I don't understand what he is doing this for. I couldn't imagine someone fighting like this.
bungieftw1990 3 months ago
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Nightball12 3 months ago
@bungieftw1990 Siu lim tau is the foundation upon which the entire wing chun system was built. it includes basic techniques such as stance, shifting, blocks, punches and finger strikes as well as much more i can't remember on top of my head. You basicly practice the movement and the center line etc etc.
Nightball12 3 months ago
@Nightball12 Why would you practice something so slow if you need to be so fast at it? I would think you could do this at a faster pace from the get-go.
bungieftw1990 3 months ago
@bungieftw1990 It's been said that you learn the movement alot better like this. If you look closely some are done fast other slow. Its for muscle memory or something like that. Ever seen tai chi?
Nightball12 3 months ago
@bungieftw1990 It is hard to understand, from simply looking, what application this has to real fighting. This exercise teaches proper structure, rooting, and energy movement. These ideas, once internalized, are applicable to actual fighting.
quanfa88 3 months ago
Fantastic video! He was a true grandmaster in every sense of the word. I've learnt from Sifu Jim Fung, who was a student of Sigung Chu Shong Tin. Chu trained alongside Wong under Yip Man. I like how both are renowned for different aspects of the art, and would love an opportunity to learn from Wong's lineage somewhere in future!
mickey6688 5 months ago
Hail the great Wong shun leung.
Man I want one of those tracksuits!
cornwallgeezer 6 months ago
for those who dont know this gentlemen mentored bruce in the states. research!
enzo5022 6 months ago
According to some sources he fought 60-100 bare knuckle fights and was unbeaten
finalstandx 6 months ago
Sifu got on the suit from game of death dont it
Jhoodemcee 6 months ago
Bruce Lee credits Wong with being his Wing Chun teacher.
USMCR 7 months ago
Thanks for the vid man
akpolska 9 months ago
el wing chun es bueno me gusta
maciolful 9 months ago
Why don't you all grow up. If you had any understanding of Wing Chun then you would know that it is based on CONCEPTS and not FORMS. So what if my SNT is different from yours?? A tan sao is a tan sao and a bong sao is a bong sao. As long as you understand the CONCEPT of the shape then it makes no difference where in the form you perform it. Look at it this way - Chi Sao is never played the same way twice but the shapes used - bong,tan etc stay the same regardless of where they occur in Chi Sao
scofubasstt 9 months ago
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@scofubasstt el wing chun es bueno me gusta
maciolful 9 months ago
@TheItalianrebel -Hahahahaha- funny guy!
dogooda12 9 months ago
everyone stop arguing about which lineage is better. Just because yip man is a famous hero doesnt mean his lineage is better and just because master wong gave bruce lee trouble when they were sparing doesnt mean that his lineage is better.
HummadJ 10 months ago
Does anyone know where and when this was taken?
cche7 10 months ago
Thank you for posting these clips on master Wong.
wutc36 1 year ago
I FACED the late WSL the best of wing chun ,you couldnt even touch him ,,
pornpan96 1 year ago
Hi everyone. I would just like to apologize for the comments i made about there being deliberate mistakes in WSL's form. I believed that the elbow strikes of the second and third section were too circular and rising, something too clumsy for someone like WSL. I thought the bong was too high and few little things like elbows turning outwards during huen sau. Of course, Wong knows better and i had no right to make such a remark.
Amazing form! Sorry :)
midnightreggae 1 year ago
@midnightreggae I wouldn’t worry too much about it. These old generation of guys often did things deliberately wrong if they were being filmed, not wanting to just give away what they knew to anyone who watched the film, it’s quite possible that he did deliberately do things wrong for this reason. The test is to watch a bunch of his vids and look for differences. But there’s no doubt about it this guy is the genuine article.
foiran 1 year ago
huh? i never said anything about William Cheung and secret training or him being the only one to learn traditional wing chun.
All i said was William Cheung has really fought in the street before when he was in Australia...
That said, i'm not a fan of William Cheung, or learned from anyone under him or anything, just stating the facts as i heard it from someone who was senior to William Cheung under Yip Man.
Deus215 1 year ago
3 People don't know shit about Wing Chun.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
damn he's great...hate to have been on the end of one of those punches!
campblor 1 year ago
Thank you for sharing this video!!
nekogorogorogorogoro 1 year ago
This is WSL's right form. He modified a little bit of the form to cater for his experience during one of his fights with another kung fu exponent . This is with Grandmaster Yip Man's blessing of course. As for the Yee Gee kim Yeung ma, ( WSL said, it's suppose to fit the practitioner's body structure and the one that works for him. He's comfortable with this stance but that doesn't mean you have to follow suit. He should be in the Hall of fame!
cwmak70 1 year ago
@cwmak70
"He modified a little bit of the form to cater for his experience..."
And that is totally cool. I do Ip Ching WC, & Ip has modifed a few little things here and there because that's what's worked for him. Hell, I'VE modified a few things too. I think it's perfectly fine to change things in WC as long as you're honest about it ("Here's what I changed, & here's why"), and as long as you know the original way was done (ie, the way Ip Man originally taught it).
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago 2
@TwoGunGunnar WSL always said, let Wing Chun work for you and never let yourself be a slave to the system. You have got the WC juice in you! awesome!
cwmak70 1 year ago
@cwmak70
Thank you sir!
Another point: all these little changes that Ip Ching has made, that WSL made, & that I've made are just that - little. None of the modifications are blatant reinventions or deletions of fundamental WC principles (the centerline, simultaneous attck/dfns, elbow position, etc.), just personal expressions of those principles and emphasizing some things.
Compare the forms of WSL, Ip Man, Ip Ching, Chu Shong Tin, or even Leung Ting. You'll see variation, but it's all WC.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@TwoGunGunnar My thoughts exactly. Slight variations but still the core WC system is in there.
cwmak70 11 months ago
Could u share this entire footage with Master Wong Shun Leung . Or maybe you want to sell this stuff if is possible ? Over the internet I found just 2 DVD for sale . I paid $49.99 for a DVD .
linuxva 1 year ago
@linuxva Hi, Buy Sifu David Peterson's Dvd's. They are very very impressive!! By far the best wing chun dvd's I've seen :)
khinsau 1 year ago
@khinsau Thanks mate ! I already got Sifu David Peterson's Dvd's. Good stuff ! But I have not found Biu Jee explained in detail .
linuxva 1 year ago
@linuxva Gary Lam has a Biu Jee dvd out and thats good, although he doesn't go into the form with the same amount of detail as David peterson's 3 dvds on Siu Nim Tau, Cham Kiu and Wooden Dummy . The way its interpreted within the WSL family is thats its an emergency form used when in alot of trouble, eg elbow been taken, one arm broke etc and trains concepts of how to escape efficiently. David Peterson has schools across europe etc and has seminars in the UK every year if your interested.
khinsau 1 year ago
na hes not butchering it but in all fairness this was older than his the science of in fighting video where he does have slight changes to the form and the speed in which it is done. but tht bkus masters of martial arts change the art to their own style or functioality.
SirTokesAlot16 1 year ago
Don't try this at home kids. It's outdated. There are a few hybrid schools that already evolved the system. Choose your kwoon wisely! O_O
JVThrillz 1 year ago
@JVThrillz It's far from outdated. When you grow another arm and leg, then come back and say that, until then our body mechanics haven't changed. This is a PROVEN full fighting system developed for street combat, fighting under serious pressure for survival!! WSL raised the bar so high back in the Beimo HK days, no one has even come close!
khinsau 1 year ago
@khinsau *long sigh*... dude, it's outdated. Let it go =)
JVThrillz 1 year ago
@JVThrillz
*longer sigh*....dude, what are you talking about? How, specifically is it "outdated"?
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
I have had only a small bit of training in Wing Chun (and that's being generous) and what little I know comes from the Moy Yat lineage. I learned to do SNT so slowly that it would take an hour to perform. Does the WSL lineage train SNT the same way?
kungfuman82 1 year ago
@kungfuman82
get out of the moy yat system now mate. i train wsl and my father teaches, he spent 10 yrs trying every different lineage and found that wsl is by far the most effective.
thats not to say that moy yats is rubbish because its not and i would never suggest it but find somewhere near you to practice wsl and go and have a look. you'll be amazed at what suttle differences can do.
please dont take this as me saying one way is crap and one way is good im just saying take a look.
donrickdon 1 year ago
@donrickdon On the contrary, I appreciate your honesty. I can tell just from youtube videos that each lineage has a certain look. In my rather uneducated opinion I've found that the Moy Yat lineage is too passive for my tastes, whereas Gary Lam's wing chun seems more aggressive, which is what I like.
I don't think there's any wsl wing chun in Atlanta because Atlanta sucks fuck, but thanks for the information!
kungfuman82 1 year ago
@kungfuman82
Most Ip Man lineages teach how to do SLT such that it takes an hour to perform. (specifically, the first 3rd of the form with the tan sau & fook sau's). The same is undoubtedly true for WSL-lineage. It's just that in the context of a demonstration (or even during a session of class) it's not practical to do SLT that way. Doing SLT like that is something that, once you've been shown how to do it that way, is something for you to do on your own time.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
WSL was the king of the challenge fights. I master who actually fought on the streets everyday using Wing Chun and ending up victorious. He was a proper badass. This is just a form. We don't fight like this. It trains our elbow power, forward intention and mind for real scraps.
industrial6824 1 year ago
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change the title of this to small man in yellow jumpsuit doing absolutely fucking nothing for 5:41
cryjesuscry 1 year ago
so y u watch it dumbass????? to start shit???
kist420 1 year ago
@cryjesuscry
You are fucking moronic and useless. This "small man" could finish you off without even moving a finger.
You fucking useless waste of space.
Shaolinkungfucat 1 year ago 16
@Shaolinkungfucat damn buddy dont get so mad would buddha really approve of that attitude sir??
cryjesuscry 1 year ago
@cryjesuscry
你傻屄. 滚远点.
Shaolinkungfucat 1 year ago
@Shaolinkungfucat I dont read languages from the moon sorry
cryjesuscry 1 year ago
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@Shaolinkungfucat I dont read languages from the moon sorry
cryjesuscry 1 year ago
@cryjesuscry bruce lee learned much of what he knew about WC from this man. I think its fair to say that WSL wouldve rocked bruce lee, just image what he could do to me or you.
tego211 1 year ago
@tego211 what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said???
cryjesuscry 1 year ago
@cryjesuscry you should probably change your name as well, you one sandwich short of a picnic.
cwmak70 1 year ago
@cryjesuscry - hahaha!
judutchinski 1 year ago
Much respect, I only wish we could have seen him setting the stance
iamjackscolin 1 year ago
Very good. Obviously modified slightly to his personal wishes. Ging looks good.
Interesting that he added a section with a wu sau jut. It is traditionally a technique that appears very often in the dummy form. I guess he thought it was important enough to learn from the get go.
Also interesting how he draws the palm back after the pak. Disagree with that myself, but i can see why he may prefer it (ie. a big strike instead of a structure destroyer)
ozzie1246 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 He draws the hand back after Pak Sau, because he is training a different concept. The hand is now on the outside of an opponent and the shape and action of the ascending palm, allows the elbow to be tucked into the centreline position and beat an imaginary straight line attack down the centreline.
khinsau 1 year ago
Awesome eh... Pretty intense form and very different to Ip Man.
chinaaccenthk 1 year ago
@chinaaccenthk
I totally agree about "awesome" & "intense", but I don't think it's all that different from Ip Man. Sure, WSL tweeked a few things here & there, but his SLT & Ip Man's SLT still have waaaaay more in common than they do differences.
If you want to see something truly different from Ip Man's stuff, look up William Cheung, (only Cheung's stuff is the exact opposite of "awesome"....it sucks & he sucks, but it is completely different from Ip Man WC, unlike our friend Wong)
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
thats cool. i only know up to 4:26. so will have to learn the rest. hehe
wallj18 1 year ago
As far as people saying that WSL has put deliberate mistakes into this form - this is untrue, this is a perfect form, NO mistakes have been made!
This is how it is done!
mrjack001 2 years ago
@mrjack001
To accuse WSL of putting "deliberate mistakes" in his form is ridiculous. It's insane. Whoever says that is probably the same kind of person that believes William Cheung's absurd stories.....moronic.
However, Wong DID make a few personal modifications. And there's nothing wrong with that. No doubt if anyone was to ask, I'm sure he would have told them what he changed, and why, & I bet he could demonstrate his reasons, too.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@TwoGunGunnar Hey dude, I'm in the WSL lineage and I'm told, by I think 2 sources so far, that he did put quite a few deliberate mistakes into his Science of In-Fighting documentary. Would you know anything about this? This isnt me trying to be a keyboard warrior and argue with you :D just asking your opinion on the matter.
Talaxy 1 year ago
@Talaxy
I think it doesn't make any sense.
1. Why would he do that? Would you do that? No? Why not? Probably the same reason I would never do that - it's weird, makes no sense, there's no point, and it's dishonest.
I wouldn't do that, nor would you, nor would Wong Shun Leung.
2. What were these "deliberate mistakes"? I do WC, and I don't see anything I'd call a "mistake".
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@TwoGunGunnar I'm told it was too hide some methods from public view so as to reserve them for students. Again, this is only what I've been told, and its not a point I'm stating for the purpose of debate as I don't know if its true.
Talaxy 1 year ago
@Talaxy
Whoever told you that was mistaken. It's not true.
I've been doing WC for a while now, & one thing I've heard from a few different sources is "There are no secrets in WC".
See: watch?v=1r5eISF-hwY
Note what he says at 4:10. Peterson knew WSL as well as anyone.
Aside from that, if you want to keep your methods secret, you aren't going to make a video at all. It makes no sense that WSL would make a video, & do stuff wrong on purpose. The whole idea is silly from the get-go.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@TwoGunGunnar I see! Well if anybody is qualified to pass opinion on this its certainly david peterson. Thanks very much for the reference! All the best with you WC! :)
Talaxy 1 year ago
@Talaxy
You as well sir.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
As i have said previously, you need a great teacher. There are many subtleties to this form, they take years to develop and it is constantly referenced no matter what your level, it needs to be felt. It also needs to be tested. I am simply encouraging people too seek out a good teacher, especially those who believe this to be good form, for the reasons i have stated - and so that they can properly defend themselves, with confidence, something that cannot be learnt through imitation.
midnightreggae 2 years ago
@midnightreggae Its not really deliberately putting mistakes. More like he is performing the forms in the way that he sees it working in real life. You gotta remember that WC has been broken down over the years, mainly due to individual's interpretation of movement and how they see it working realistically. Yip Man did the same when he learnt it from another master. Wan Kam Leung (senior disciple of WSL) modified his forms slightly. Theres no right or wrong form. Only ones that work for you.
MegaBulletHead 2 years ago 3
Possibly, i see where you are coming from. My personal opinion is that yip man only taught the full system to a handful of people yet there are many who teach his style unofficialy, people who may or may not have been taught by him, yet never completed the system. Wong may have feared a similar reaction, who knows.
midnightreggae 2 years ago
What you say about he not wanting people to nick his ideas it's a bit selfish really, isn't the idea to share the knowledge to make more masters of the art so that the masters could possibly learn from there students otherwise the art will die and knowledge will lost.
ThePooks21 2 years ago
Wong Shun Leung is legend! There are many good lineages out there, and it is always the individuals responsibility to make wing chun work for them. But to fully appreciate and understand WSL's ideas will only enhance your wing chun, his reputation precedes him! However, it is worth mentioning that in many of his videos (including this one) he deliberately performs 'bad' techniques, as i'm sure any WSL/ wing chun practitioner has noticed, as he didn't want people stealing his ideas. Second class.
midnightreggae 2 years ago 2
By second class i mean that you can only learn/understand Wing Chun by doing it, and if you did, you would know what i mean. Like Wong himself, you need a decent teacher and an open mind.
midnightreggae 2 years ago
i did recognize the bad techniques like the very end bit and some other parts,leung was such a great master of wing chun,but what are there that dont have mistakes
conorthealien 2 years ago
What mistakes exactly??
bl00zjamma 2 years ago
Wong Shun Leung is the highest of all Ip Man's students besides his own sons. If you do not know Wong Shun Leung, then you do not know Wing Chun!
tdbevolution 2 years ago 3
Wong Shen Leung, the best of his time & a legend in his own time.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
every pedantic of you go check your mothers instead of posting idiotic comments here,he is a reat master and he know what he doing
SamShifu 2 years ago
his stance is kinda far apart
BoukenJSpec 2 years ago
He is a true master.
bobowai 2 years ago
of bucthering the sui nim tao
WTKSB1987 2 years ago
BUTCHERING?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
your a fucking moron mate, you havent even started real wing chun yet. another keyboard warrior that knows everything. this guy was one of the very few people to ever master the Ving Tsun system, your not worthy of passing comment on wong shun leungs first form.
BULLSHIT123xx 2 years ago 39
i would put my chun (WT) against yours any day.
WTKSB1987 2 years ago
yeah and i would happily fight you where abouts do you learn?? im sure we can work something out
BULLSHIT123xx 2 years ago
Im in Billings MT. and if your feeling like finding out if your chun is better stop bye
WTKSB1987 2 years ago
yeah i love to stop by only problems is its like a 6500 mile trek haha
BULLSHIT123xx 2 years ago
@BULLSHIT123xx Amen!!!
hmongkeyking 1 year ago
@BULLSHIT123xx: My master Gary Lam is a student of Huang Liang (Wong Shen Leung), and it's been said that even Bruce Lee himself on his visits back to HK to spar with Master Wong, Bruce still had problems beating him. Master Wong's lineage is still by far one of the deadliest of all the WC lineages. Don't worry about the keyboard warriors. It's better that people stay ignorant, so you have less idiots disgracing the WC name...they can all go take UFC MMA if I care. LOL
quattro527 11 months ago 12
@quattro527 Yes I agree!
dogooda12 9 months ago
Wong Shun Leung would have spat down the necks of both William Cheung and Leung Ting and his student Gary Lam would do the same!
Velasca 2 years ago
dude, William Cheung fought in real fights when he went to Australia... cant say the same for Leung Ting... besides, William Cheung really did train under Yip Man... not an impostor like Leung Ting
Deus215 2 years ago
What do you think of Gary Lam?
Velasca 2 years ago
he's as good as ppl say he is, trust me. One of my Si Hing trained with him when he went to live and work in LA for a while, says he's a real nice person also.
Deus215 2 years ago 2
Thanks. He does seem like a nice person and I am impressed by what I have seen from him.
Velasca 2 years ago
...why do you say imposter? Where did you gain this information?
notjustastoner 2 years ago
directly from my Sifu, Chris Chan, who is in the official list of students of Yip Man, and is recognized as such by those who were Yip Man's students, including Yip Ching and Yip Chun, my Si Gung's sons. Again, i cant say the same for Leung Ting on all those counts.
Deus215 2 years ago 2
such a strange sense of humour...yet you still make me laugh :)
notjustastoner 2 years ago
You WT?
WTKSB1987 2 years ago
Thats funny because there is a book that ip chun wrote about the 116 wooden dummy techniques and his technical advisor was......... Leung Ting
WTKSB1987 2 years ago
undoubtedly, but considering that there is no such thing as th 116 techniques, the point is somewhat moot.
given that you clearly are a leung ting dick licker, what would you know about footwork and stance?? SWEET FUCK ALL is the answer you should give.
synkronyk 2 years ago
Must be one hell of a comedy
leon999 2 years ago
@Deus215
Leung Ting is undoubtedly a douchebag. Yes, LT exaggerates about his training with Ip, & faked a pic of him & Ip.
BUT....
You have to be a COMPLETE DUMBASS to believe William Cheung's story about "secret training" and being the only one to learn "traditional wing chun". The fact is Cheung took a few years of lessons as a teenager, made up what he wasn't taught, and made up a story so he could sell himself as a master. He's just like Ashida Kim or Frank Dux. Only idiots believe him.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@Deus215
Cheung SAYS he fought in real fights. Cheung also SAYS Ip Man cheated ALL his students except Cheung. Cheung SAYS a lot of stupid shit.
And Ting's the same way. He SAYS all sorts of bullshit...doesn't mean any of it's true.
And, just because Ting & Cheung hate each other doesn't mean they aren't both a couple of lying douchebags. They are. Both of them are lying egomaniacs. F&^k both of 'em.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
@TwoGunGunnar What i know, i heard from my teacher. He has a friend who was a classmate of William Cheung's in school in Australia, and can attest that he did fight ppl who picked on Chinese students in Australia.
I agree that its unwise to take at face value what he says about himself. Ever since Si Gung Yip Man died, a lot of his students have set about systematically altering their percieved relationship with him in order to position themselves as the most 'legitimate'.
Deus215 1 year ago
@Deus215
OK, perhaps Cheung did fight occasionally. For the sake of argument, I'll go with you on that.
But, when you say "a LOT of his students...etc", I disagree. The fact is, MOST of Ip's students are perfectly honest about what they learned, how they learned it, & what their relationship with Ip was. It's really only Ting & Cheung that tell all the silly stories so as to make themselves appear special.
No one else but those 2 guys behave like that.
TwoGunGunnar 1 year ago
You go me very interested for a while, I didn't see that coming, lol.
thelighthousekeeper 2 years ago
Perfect....
BarraRock 2 years ago 2
Wong Shun Leung, the beimo king, over 100 beimo fights, all undefeated.
I am from William Cheung lineage but I have much respect for this great Master.
thelighthousekeeper 2 years ago 3
The real number is closer to 50.
muffinburger 2 years ago
i agree with you.
xxntavelisxx 2 years ago
I remember a story I was told my Sifu when I was young.
It concerned the Wing Chun legend Wong Shun Leung and another WC exponent who strangely enough was also called Wong.
Basically, they fought and Wong Shun Leung's Kung-Fu was obviously superior but several of the onlookers including my teacher were less than impressed by the whole spectacle.
"Why was this so?" I asked.
My Master chastised me saying:
"Everybody knows that two WONGS don't make a right."
DippShits 2 years ago
This is excellent. Thank you very much for posting this.
1000Demons 3 years ago 2
First form by one of the best students of Yip Man. So if your Yip Man lineage Wing Chun first form does not look much like this (note the huen sau movement and the chain punches in particular) then ask your sifu/grandmaster why they have modified/bastardised Wong's, and therefore Yip Man's, form.
Thank you for the post, everyone who learns wing chun should watch!
mrbastardisthetruth 3 years ago 7
@mrbastardisthetruth - Yip Man taught many students who became teachers. Most of them do all their forms differently. Firstly, Yip Man modified the forms as the years passed to reflect different perspectives & understandings of the art, secondly, no sifu will do the forms correctly on video - that is taboo in this culture, thirdly, Yip Man taught students how to do things according to their strengths and weaknesses - as it should be taught since humans are not identical in build or capacities.
matreyia 1 year ago
@matreyia True stuff, Samuel Kwok once told me, your brothers (in the style) wing chun is not your wing chun.
Chewyfied 11 months ago
brilliant
Wirkungsquantum 3 years ago
thank you for this video!
Dim0S1977 3 years ago
is this wong?
UncleMowglie 3 years ago
wow, this is very good kung fu!
gongsau 4 years ago 3
Very very impressive!
MistyPain 4 years ago 7
excellent... )
soloVTKF 4 years ago 2
Nice WSL vid... )
soloVTKF 4 years ago 2