Defiance - true story of Bielski Brothers - myths & lies - english subs.avi

[Marieeqt]

Imagine how much these people would bitch and complin if they were the six million Jews Hitler killed.

[Marieeqt]

MAy 8 was the day the Germans attacked the Bielski Camp in the Naliboki puscha, hence the blood and war noises.

[vwilson19521]

Especially revealing was the expression on the old woman's face when the interviewer asked her if there were any Jewish partisans. 60 years melted away and you could see the reaction in her face and she gave a derisive and distasteful "no!". As if the whole idea was ridiculous. Her husband corrected her saying there were Jewish partisans in the Soviet fighters. Why trust her recollection of the facts? - no sympathy at all for the horrific extermination of millions of people. Self-indulgent!

[SLAVO1207]

@vwilson19521 You clearly missed the point there. What she meant was that there was no such thing as an organized Jewish partisan force. There were only two partisant movements: the Polish and the Soviet. Now, the Jews portrayed in the Defiance as brave heroes, despite the fact they were Polish citizens and former Polish Army officers, collaborated with the Soviets (Polish all-time enemies) and killed the Polish people. That's called treason.

[vwilson19521]

I don't think anyone can really give the 'true' story. This film is not about the Poles and to focus on this to try to discredit the film really makes no sense. It is the story of the Bielski Brother's camp in the forest and the haven for Jewish refugees it created. Anyone who judges these guys after the fact has no idea what it was like back then and what they might do to survive. War brings out the worst in human beings - either die or survive. We don't get to judge.

[NathLFC1994]

Although the bielskis may have massacred these people after an inquest there was no conclusive evidence to link them to the murders

[fuggotry]

@NathLFC1994

They were communist collaborators and worked with Soviet partisans, who participated in massacres. There is no denying that they worked against their host nation and looted villages.

[NathLFC1994]

@fuggotry i know they were not the people the film portrayed them to be. for example the youngest recently participated in the kidnapping of a pensioner who they flew from the usa to poland put her in a home and stole her money from the bank account, however they were not charged as he agreed to pay back the money plus compensation

[NortonAV2010]

Poles were the most oppressive people towards jews. They were always ratting jews out. The rare exceptions being almost all of my relatives who lived during the war . An even rarer exception was my great grandpa, who was the mayor of a city and even he harbored jews. Poles hated jews so much that it was the only country where it was punishable by death to assist jews. There were death brigades known as zegota which prioritized killing jews over anyone else

I hope you know I'm being sarcastic

[NortonAV2010]

Not to mention that Poland was a safe haven for jews for over 400 years. While other countries were kicking Jews out for alcohol production, running prostitution rings, and usury, Poland accepted people of all religions.

[suzzypunky]

Ok, yes the bielski's did kill polish civilians, yet they did it for revenge. these people, well most of them, were the same people who either collaborated with the germans to point out Jews that lived in the region or did nothing to help them. I know that what they did was wrong, but I will not judge them for their actions. They were living to survive, so their perspective of life was probably different than yours. They were living in fear, and fear can cause people to drive out morality.

[NortonAV2010]

Mr. Ezekiel,

It is not a "mistake" to participate in the massacre of an entire village.

It is not a "mistake" to betray your neighbors and protectors by handing them over to their enemies.

It is not a "fashion to pick on people that have been publicly celebrated". I wish to argue that it is rather a trend to make heroes out of those who it is convenient to make heroes from. This is propaganda. I recommend that you search up the Polish home army (AK) to learn about real heroes.

[NortonAV2010]

Some good books include

- Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin by Dr. Timothy Snyder

- A Question of Honor by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud

- Rising '44 by Norman Davies

If you don't like primary accounts from "hillbillies", I would recommend you read these books by Ivy league professors. While there is no mention of the Bielskis in these books, you will be soon to realise that noone has can ever be accountable enough to tell the truth about Poland except for the Poles.

[NortonAV2010]

It seems like you were no watching the movie or reading my comments very well, I was not criticizing Defiance for not including Polish partisans. The movie explains quite well of that the Bielskis were not resistance fighters, rather they were selfish thieves and betrayed their own people. This is proven by many documents and records from the period. As one pole to another I encourage you to research the misinformation and destruction done to Polish history by the USSR and the west alike.

[ezekielwahwah]

@NortonAV2010

What a shameful load of crap. The Bielski's just organised themselves to avenge their people, then they made mistakes like every human being, but to call them selfish thieves is just coward and filthy. War is war.

Now there's this fashion to pick on people that have been publically celebrated: if someone is generally seen somehow as a hero, there will be people like you bringing in useless arguments from a political point of view.

[NortonAV2010]

Thank you for this video, as far as I know this is the only video that has been mad on Youtube that actually tells the true story. Thank you for translating it into English so that most of the western world can learn about these traitors

[niceguymatey]

@NortonAV2010 clearly there were jewish partisans because the bielskis were them. these people seem like a bunch of wining hillbillies to me.. dont get me wrong im polish myself but just because the movie didnt have polish partisans in it doesnt mean it was trying to say that the poles did nothing, because the movie simply was about the story of these particular jews in the forrest.