im a black female and i liked this. no im not literate and i dont drink 40s with my friends usually but i dont think this is racist at all. no one said he was being racist when he portrayed poor whites in gummo right? i enjoy harmony's work alot. its simple if you arent entertained just dont watch.
I love the way harmony creates his pieces. The space in it lets it breathe... it gives you time to sit back and appreciate the little beautiful absurdities of life
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I also love how Harmony manages to capture the abandonment of life through his depictions of dumps, light posts, lonely roads, strange air spaces, etc.
He is rather creative and inventive. Allowing "Life" to unfold itself.
I'm a black female and I don't find this offensive at all - in fact it's funny as hell to me. It's like "Napoleon Dynamite" but with an all female cast. It's just very random in this really comical way.
okay this sucks for so many reasons. 1. that wordrobe costs as much as cheap college tuition. 2. magically these shitty nihilistic bitches (who, by the way, have gorgeous bone structures and complextions) have the drive and means to dress extremely well 3. harmony korine can suck my vag, his 'art' hasn't developed at all since he was thirteen years old 4. nice shot of everyone simultaneously drinking $0.88 40's 5. there is nothing attractive or ironic about any of these images
This is just dumb. Ohh you're so cool, you're soo ghetto, got so much street cred Proezna Schouler. Pfft. You clearly don't know anything about black people. Black people would never wear your stuffy clothing. If you wanted to plaster your pants on inherently poor, trash people, you should have stuck to Leighton Meester.
this guy wrote screenplays at an age when i was taking art 101-level classes in a city college, skating, and thinking i was cool cus i drank red hook beer. if anything, harmony korine is madly driven by his art. i hate some of it, but he's onto something. i wish i can be so bold.
Those who think this video was racist should probably look at themselves. As someone who is black I didn't find this racist nor did I see anything wrong with it. The clothes look beautiful on them and poetry in the background was mesmerizing. I understand people are entitled to their opinion, but listen and think before you speak.
Believe me, I am a big fan of Proenza Schouler clothing, but I don't understand where they were going with this. The girls are living in a modern plain society but in expensive clothing talking about their views on the world through poetry. Is the clothing they are wearing symbolic for their hopes and dreams? I've tried to be open minded but it's not clicking. Anyone want to explain?
Beautiful and relaxing yet you can sense the girls anger and sadness. I used to live in a small town. No where to go but abandoned houses and parking lots.
I think Harmony Korine's satirizing the fashion industry if anything. But the poetry in this short is wonderful. Definitely pure Harmony Korine magic. Fuck off if you're criticizing this film and you're not familiar with Korine's cinematic language.
“I believe that the earth is a big ball of shit- that’s why the dinosaur died out. And everyone gonna die sooner or later. That’s why I love cigarettes so much."
Ok, i can understand where the "raciality" comes in, if i may even use that word. Bottles of 40's, shopping carts defining poverty, girls holding plastic heads showing off fake hair, smoke-filled room (check out the floor, i had to look twice!), a narration depicting an abusive relationship (towards the end), Black Santa Claus bringing bread as a gift, suggesting the main need of poor people.
i love this. it's not like they made it up. i know every black girl isn't like this but i like a fresh approach. i felt there was soul captured in this video.
These films aren't meant to be pleasant, Harmony is notorious for making unpleasant and eerie films. To not react to this would mean you're immune to emotion. That's art. Deal with it, this is so fantastic.
continue drink coke, smoking sigar. etc. YOU WILL POISONING. AND YOU'RE LOSING HAIR... WARNING. OPEN YOUR MIND. WAKE UP. MANY YOUNG WOMEN LOSING HAIR. WHY? KILLUMINATI!!!!
continue drink coke, smoking sigar. etc. YOU WILL POISONING. AND YOU'RE LOOSING YOUR HAIR... WARNING. OPEN YOUR MIND. WAKE UP. MANY YOUNG WOMEN LOSING HAIR. WHY?
well it can seem kind of othering bc it can seem like he is using a black girl speaking somewhat in ebonics in an exploitative way.like it essentializes something about being black,though i doubt his intentions were as such. that being said, i agree w/ @efsq that hk tends to use cheap imagery as a crutch. however,im a sucker for vhs style video and i think that the girls speech is pretty interesting,regardless of the speaker.its full of despair and alienation. its cheap but idk i kinda like it.
This film has an underlying tone of loneliness and emptiness, and it made me feel undescribably (I know that's not how you spell it) the same way for very brief moments...but very strong and true moments.
I think it's absolutely beautiful how Korine show the disgusting side of society and dresses them in expensive outfits to show that even they can look nice when wearing good clothing. It's almost as if the filmmaker is saying, "Look, how quaint."
Are we supposed to just sit back and allow this to be seen as some sort of artist innovation?? am I supposed to be impressed???!
"Wth"...is all I kept thinking while watching this rubbish. I no longer have respect for Proenza Schouler and I definitely don't have respect for the people behind this "short film".
Retailers will do anything to try and grab the attention of African American women/men as customers. ANYTHING! SMH.
this is so wrong, inauthentic, and racist on so many levels. harmony korine is not a black female and you don't need to see the production credits to know that everyone on this project other than the "models" is a white male. he is a closet racist and i really don't care if others disagree. i like some of his films but have always felt that way.
@zigbee14 you know, people who post stuff like this always go off about how "offensive" and "racist" something is, but they never explain WHY they feel this way. probably because they are unable to come up with adequate reasoning to justify their opinions.
@zigbee14 so are you saying it would be somehow not racist if he only made movies with white people? i don't get your logic. i bet you aren't a black female either. i bet you don't even have any black friends.
i love how he shows a dirty low end side of humanity& society, yet with these four girls, "the gang of fools" who, while in it recognize its disgust.. but turn to the beauty of nature for refuge and identify themselves as something separate something more animal. something that cannot quite be compared or associated with the place they are in for it is far too different. The clothes merely make this visibly true
ok,its a movie portraying black girls acting destructively.korine is NOT the first one to do this.everyone hails boyz n the hood as a masterpiece,but they criticize this?every time theres a movie where a homosexual,african american or any other minority acts in a negative manner people pull out their soapboxes.
anything a black person can do a white person can do just as bad.
and dont even pretend for one second that there arent black girls who behave like this every single day.its the truth.
@betonyrose123 Thank you! If this film was made by a black person, no one would be saying anything about it being racist. Just because it's a white director...for God's sake, a ball of lint can be picked apart as racist these days.
ok! these facts are really dissapointing! I thought it was something personal first...hmm maybe it is, even by a white male? Still i am touched by the beauty i see in there, i could even say I feel this special aligend emotion I have around a real good piece of art...
I think this is a bit bigger than just a "black women's experience," I think the fact everyone is so reactionary and ready to jump to that defense says more about race than this COMMERCIAL ever would.
High Art meets filth...it's a Harmony Korine film, what'd you expect?
I wanted to continue from the post below--I see these girls everyday on the subway here in Atlanta, I see them in the supermarket, the mall, working at fast food joints, pushing their two babies in strollers on the streets--there could have been a much more authentic aesthetic in the filming, the message and the narration--i understand this is for clothes(Couture or Prêt-à-Porter ) at that, but lets make it truly unique and have a message thus lifting the message of the designs!
amazing..absolutely amazing that this is passing for some form of art or commercialization--i say this from the perspective of a creative writer, business writer, businessman, doctoral student and an African-American. THe total true aesthetic is not there. The voice of the narrator is not authentic--to me for the character she is attempting to portray nor is the setting...poorly made!. My brother a journalist and photographer could have done better and added much more legitimacy and forethought!
I dont find this film racist... i find it offensive. but then again the world id full of rich white people trying to be ironic and make a statement for duplicitous reasons... the film itself is not bad but what it pretends to be or rather what some people seem to get from it is far removed from what i see when i see this... everyone wants to clap hands when fashion recognises the poor black female... is this art, no its an ad, is this up lifting black women, quit the contrary!
@mellowcity I understand where you are coming from, but in this case it's not true. Harmony Korine is far from rich and isn't one to try and make statements. A fashion company approached him, because he is an artist. When he makes these films with a white cast (as per usual), the films are lauded by critics and "art buffs". Now this one is hated on because the cast is black? It's offensive? The chip on your shoulder must be blocking your view.
I'm from Scotland, and if you can't relate to this, you're thinking too hard. It's universal. Would you rather these girls weren't doing anything? How do you not know that this might be a break for each or any of them? If you don't work with creative people you sometimes don't get the chance to be creative. Think about Tricky and his ingenue cycle, Massive Attack and how open they are to collaboration, how most established directors are giving other people's writing a chance.
@mellowcity You've obviously never seen any of Korine's other movies: Kids, Gummo and Julien Donkey-Boy. All of the aforementioned films depict white people in tedious living situations. This ad has nothing to do with degrading the black race.
I don't get why people always search meaning (racial or social or whatever) in such movies. This is Harmony Korine, just watch his stuff for the poetry in themselves and not for some meaning you make up to exist, you'll enjoy it better afterwards.
@schink24 Don't be fucking stupid. Don't try and be oblivious and naive and act like there is no meaning behind this. When do you ever see a group of black women used in a promotional video for high fashion? RARELY. There is clearly meaning behind this, and I see nothing wrong with people voicing there thought and opinions on the peice. It'll help you enlighten yourself and see the film in different perspectives. Don't be narrow minded.
@WebcamWhore No meaning is explictly stated, so any meaning you find in the film is solely based on what you think can be a meaning. So you can find and discuss that meaning which you've already found and discussed elsewhere and be all 'enlightened', or you can do as I originally said and just don't care about that and watch it because it's good to watch and not because of the social commentary behind it. And I see nothing wrong with people voicing their thoughts either, that was just mine.
@schink24 Don't be fucking stupid. Don't try and be oblivious and naive and act like there is no meaning behind this. When do you ever see a group of black women used in a promotional video for high fashion? RARELY. There is clearly meaning behind this, and I see nothing wrong with people voicing there thought and opinions on the peice. It'll help you enlighten yourself and see the film in different perspectives. Don't be narrow minded.
@perogie34 Not entirely I think. Over-thinking can lead you to assume the existence of non-existing stuff, while passive observation allows the said-stuff to unfold and happen as it is.
Okay kids, these girls do not look "REAL" -- they're decked out in $20,000 outfits. I'm so sick of Korine's parodies of the poor. He is condescending and absurd. The audacity it took for PS and Korine to create this video blows my mind. Admittedly, it is kind of funny, but mostly, it is offensive. At least I realize I'm being made fun of when I see this ... why is that so many viewers DON'T ???
@listentohear This video is not that interesting, and that's it's only fault. Just a standard narrative of people in poverty in America. And they're wearing nice outfits. I don't think it's any more racist than showing a bunch of honkies in a pick-up drinking forties or bud. Where is the stretch here that makes it a racist stereotype? The suggestions made in the comments-that they should be drinking champagne or there should also be people of different races together-are ridiculous.
it's kind of mild for harmony korine isn't it? kinda boring. so your problem is with his amoral depiction of the poor? if you're looking for a moral, isn't it humanizing to have this narrative watched by people? do you think the other video he shot for them is better to have out there?
@listentohear It's an ad. That's why they're wearing those clothes. Also its about how no matter what class you're in and where you live; you can still look cute.
@TheElizabethboom says "It's an ad. That's why they're wearing those clothes. Also its about how no matter what class you're in and where you live; you can still look cute."
and you wonder why there are fools on here saying that everyone who is offended is just being foolish and that people are just deeming everrrrything racist nowadays! you wonder! i'm sure proenza schouler now makes clothes that cater to people under the poverty line. cool!
I think its a good question if the main characters in this film was porn whites?! But should one be accepting of the fact that the film maker focused on young girls of color?
I feel like a lot of people are completely disregarding the significance of the wig shop. Hair plays such an important roll in African American culture, as well as many other cultures. Young African American women are raised with this importance and emphasis on their hair, and that's passed on from generation to generation, and exhibited at even younger ages. Look at some of Gallagher's work. All of the statements about how this piece is racist are completely absolutely absurd.
i don't think it would have been better if they used poor white or asian kids in this video. not cool either way to glamorize poverty to sell high-end, expensive ish to people who mostly can't relate in no way shape or form to the girls in the video. i like the concept of the movie as a standalone; i'm drawn to it. but then i realize it's to sell money clothes, and i'm like "WTF"?? plus it's a double whammy the girls being black; the irony often gets lost in obvious stereotypes like these...
I understand the shock value and the artistic expression the director was trying to portray. However, to say that it isn't racist is absurd. Just because you do something in the name of art does not make it any less racist. Standing in a weave shop, acting like they are in a gang, dribbling a basketball, "we act like babies sometimes" while drinking 40oz like its a baby bottle. Come on I was born at night but it wasn't last night and I know an ignorant racist video when I see one.
@skulldrix well whatever being "rascist towards whites" means, gummo was a piece of (white) poverty porn... and as to this, we'll be having a slightly different conversation had it NOT been a proenza ad...
DO NOT LIKE. Harmony or no harmony. Politics of race and socio-economic class as still very closely aligned when ascribed to AA females. This one would never buy anything PS - and yes she can afford to....years of hard work and an ivy league education have ensured this. I'm all for irreverence and quirk, but this is incredibly offensive and in incredibly poor taste. PS and HK have crossed the line... into racist representation...TSK! TSK!
I don't think there's anything racist, or offensive about this at all. It's focus isn't african-american girls, but just young girls who feel outcast, lost, and like they'll never really get the chance to leave their surroundings. Nothing racist at all.
love the fashion but I am not to sure about liking the concept of the video! why are the African American girls portrayed in this light! Not to say you're racists or anything but I don't think an African American female would want to be portrayed way.
@NaturalCurlyGirl watch Gummo. I'm black..and saw other films by Harmony. This just happens to cover black girls. Other films cover whites in the same light.
Racism never enters the mind of those who embrace BS! Proenza Schouler should be ashamed of themselves to have this video represent their company. The narrative and images are as offensive as they come. I know, fashion should be creative and provocative, but this is garbage pure and simple. Anyone CLAIMING to see anything other than a socio-cultural stereotypes is delusional.
this is pure genius. harmony korine is probably the greatest artist of this generation. there is so much life and beauty in this its actually hard to believe. i love this so much.
i love cig soo much
togetherandwaiting 2 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
This short has a really deep meaning, to me.....its like, fuck it.
antiemo666777 1 week ago
I like how all the people who say they're black women don't have a picture or deactivated their accounts LMAO!
Isumianka 2 weeks ago
Mount Kimbie live anyone?
sammo55 1 month ago 4
This is my favorite short film.
MiaLeonora 1 month ago
Racist would be Harmony acting this all out in black face.
It's not racist if a black girl agreed to this....
Canibelamewithyou 1 month ago
im a black female and i liked this. no im not literate and i dont drink 40s with my friends usually but i dont think this is racist at all. no one said he was being racist when he portrayed poor whites in gummo right? i enjoy harmony's work alot. its simple if you arent entertained just dont watch.
MsGlamtron 2 months ago
This is an incredibly transparent attempt to be edgy but the girls look good in the clothes.
muddphudle 3 months ago
this is beautiful.
atheistunicorn 3 months ago 3
People who think this is racist = people who know fuck-all about Harmony Korine.
Useless2112 3 months ago 2
liberating
KiwiSisters 3 months ago
I love the way harmony creates his pieces. The space in it lets it breathe... it gives you time to sit back and appreciate the little beautiful absurdities of life
stumanfu1991 3 months ago
Hypnotizing...
TimCollinsATL 3 months ago
when someone portrays people who are poor with a luxury brand i have with that. especially when the owners of the brand dont live in poverty
belazaoi 3 months ago
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peopledick 4 months ago
calling something racist just because it has all black people in it is racist on its own. people are idiots.
zheffner666 5 months ago 3
I also love how Harmony manages to capture the abandonment of life through his depictions of dumps, light posts, lonely roads, strange air spaces, etc.
He is rather creative and inventive. Allowing "Life" to unfold itself.
Paperhouse81 5 months ago
I love the 80's feel to it with the Super 8 camera.
Paperhouse81 5 months ago
I kind of really love this.
DrxPreservzz 5 months ago
When he portrays white trash, he's not racist, but, when it's poor blacks, he is. Ah, I see.
MusicalEutopia 6 months ago
Holy hell, looks like a female in the gummiverse. Ill watch this and be depressed, feel awkward and impressed rolled into one.
Also human colors have no meaning in korines movies.
DarkFoot25 6 months ago
This video is meh the clothes are fabulous
tyknos93 6 months ago
This is not racist. It's just crap.
Narkotiulo 6 months ago
Jews are seriously fucked up people.
swampshot 7 months ago
I'm a black female and I don't find this offensive at all - in fact it's funny as hell to me. It's like "Napoleon Dynamite" but with an all female cast. It's just very random in this really comical way.
SnotRockets55 7 months ago 14
David Gordon Green to the extreme.
InsaneWizA 8 months ago
okay this sucks for so many reasons. 1. that wordrobe costs as much as cheap college tuition. 2. magically these shitty nihilistic bitches (who, by the way, have gorgeous bone structures and complextions) have the drive and means to dress extremely well 3. harmony korine can suck my vag, his 'art' hasn't developed at all since he was thirteen years old 4. nice shot of everyone simultaneously drinking $0.88 40's 5. there is nothing attractive or ironic about any of these images
shvandewalle 8 months ago
This is just dumb. Ohh you're so cool, you're soo ghetto, got so much street cred Proezna Schouler. Pfft. You clearly don't know anything about black people. Black people would never wear your stuffy clothing. If you wanted to plaster your pants on inherently poor, trash people, you should have stuck to Leighton Meester.
sharpayawesome 8 months ago
yeah
benwilsonladygaga 8 months ago
this guy wrote screenplays at an age when i was taking art 101-level classes in a city college, skating, and thinking i was cool cus i drank red hook beer. if anything, harmony korine is madly driven by his art. i hate some of it, but he's onto something. i wish i can be so bold.
dander337 8 months ago 3
The stars aren't ever gunna leave us.
CannibalLolocaust 8 months ago
seriously biting some david gordon green
johneill 9 months ago
love it !!!!! his concepts are kinda all the same but its cool man hes cool i really dig him ...lol
wolveteeth 9 months ago
Those who think this video was racist should probably look at themselves. As someone who is black I didn't find this racist nor did I see anything wrong with it. The clothes look beautiful on them and poetry in the background was mesmerizing. I understand people are entitled to their opinion, but listen and think before you speak.
Limeworm 9 months ago
Believe me, I am a big fan of Proenza Schouler clothing, but I don't understand where they were going with this. The girls are living in a modern plain society but in expensive clothing talking about their views on the world through poetry. Is the clothing they are wearing symbolic for their hopes and dreams? I've tried to be open minded but it's not clicking. Anyone want to explain?
amyyoung101101 9 months ago
f'real. the stars are NEVER gonna leave us.
once again. BEAUTY!
ShawnAbnoxious 9 months ago
Beautiful and relaxing yet you can sense the girls anger and sadness. I used to live in a small town. No where to go but abandoned houses and parking lots.
nolometangere 10 months ago
It's not racist, Korine uses similar imagery in alot of his work (lower class neighbourhoods, suburban wastelands) regardless of colour or religion
Georgedogg1 10 months ago
that was really beautiful
Georgedogg1 10 months ago
dude how is this unpleasant? its beautiful to watch and hypnotizing
slangshotstudios 10 months ago
I think Harmony Korine's satirizing the fashion industry if anything. But the poetry in this short is wonderful. Definitely pure Harmony Korine magic. Fuck off if you're criticizing this film and you're not familiar with Korine's cinematic language.
FinestFabric 10 months ago
I'd like to know where the dialogue in this video comes from. The images are secondary... what are they pieced together from?
kevingeddes0 10 months ago
@kevingeddes0 Both the images and the dialogue were made just for this
WhoopMQ 10 months ago
“I believe that the earth is a big ball of shit- that’s why the dinosaur died out. And everyone gonna die sooner or later. That’s why I love cigarettes so much."
djkidfreshdotcom 10 months ago
Just because the cast is black, doesn't mean the short is racist.
SevenDeadlyCinema 11 months ago 42
@SevenDeadlyCinema well naw duh. that's not why we think it's racist, though.
cukistcrispeque 1 month ago
The stars ain't lied to me yet. They say the same thing every night..
TheSheeva24 1 year ago
Ok, i can understand where the "raciality" comes in, if i may even use that word. Bottles of 40's, shopping carts defining poverty, girls holding plastic heads showing off fake hair, smoke-filled room (check out the floor, i had to look twice!), a narration depicting an abusive relationship (towards the end), Black Santa Claus bringing bread as a gift, suggesting the main need of poor people.
Paperhouse81 1 year ago
horrible.
Jelloxox 1 year ago
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Jelloxox 1 year ago
oh, harmony korine. you up the stupidity with each film, and more and more people eat it up.
modularsky 1 year ago
@modularsky Baaaww!
Useless2112 1 year ago
i love this. it's not like they made it up. i know every black girl isn't like this but i like a fresh approach. i felt there was soul captured in this video.
aldn2006 1 year ago
i love this. it's not like they made it up. i know every black girl isn't like this but i like a fresh approach.
aldn2006 1 year ago
I really didn't see the point.
hwiley09 1 year ago
@hwiley09 there is no point. its life.
madisonayers 1 year ago
the thought of it being any offensive didnt even cross my mind until ive read the comments. nice short!
MrPtitzz 1 year ago
wow
unkleluc 1 year ago
These films aren't meant to be pleasant, Harmony is notorious for making unpleasant and eerie films. To not react to this would mean you're immune to emotion. That's art. Deal with it, this is so fantastic.
tashlosung 1 year ago
Pips this movie is not offensive at all.
I mean if it was shot about Texas redneck kinda white girls will it be still offensive?
0liolio 1 year ago
continue drink coke, smoking sigar. etc. YOU WILL POISONING. AND YOU'RE LOSING HAIR... WARNING. OPEN YOUR MIND. WAKE UP. MANY YOUNG WOMEN LOSING HAIR. WHY? KILLUMINATI!!!!
wiselybreath 1 year ago
continue drink coke, smoking sigar. etc. YOU WILL POISONING. AND YOU'RE LOOSING YOUR HAIR... WARNING. OPEN YOUR MIND. WAKE UP. MANY YOUNG WOMEN LOSING HAIR. WHY?
wiselybreath 1 year ago
I watched it without sound and now I expect a phone call telling me I'm gonna be dead in 7 days
paulhebert6 1 year ago
well it can seem kind of othering bc it can seem like he is using a black girl speaking somewhat in ebonics in an exploitative way.like it essentializes something about being black,though i doubt his intentions were as such. that being said, i agree w/ @efsq that hk tends to use cheap imagery as a crutch. however,im a sucker for vhs style video and i think that the girls speech is pretty interesting,regardless of the speaker.its full of despair and alienation. its cheap but idk i kinda like it.
grenaderock 1 year ago
Does anybody know where I can buy this. How long is this movie btw ?
this guy is a genius..
jmjoycejr 1 year ago
harmony is always doing pure senseless cheap imagery, kinda boring
efsq 1 year ago
how is this racist?
MutantDog266 1 year ago
im singing the word speechless in an operetta kind of voice....
amamuffin 1 year ago
i love it!
MrGooshness 1 year ago
I LOVE IT!
MrGooshness 1 year ago
This film has an underlying tone of loneliness and emptiness, and it made me feel undescribably (I know that's not how you spell it) the same way for very brief moments...but very strong and true moments.
FoofarawFilms 1 year ago
I think it's absolutely beautiful how Korine show the disgusting side of society and dresses them in expensive outfits to show that even they can look nice when wearing good clothing. It's almost as if the filmmaker is saying, "Look, how quaint."
DougieSmoozer 1 year ago
is this the entire film or just a teaser ?
badbrains82 1 year ago
It's beautiful.
lweyl 1 year ago
Wtf is this raggedy crap?
Are we supposed to just sit back and allow this to be seen as some sort of artist innovation?? am I supposed to be impressed???!
"Wth"...is all I kept thinking while watching this rubbish. I no longer have respect for Proenza Schouler and I definitely don't have respect for the people behind this "short film".
Retailers will do anything to try and grab the attention of African American women/men as customers. ANYTHING! SMH.
Toozip09 1 year ago 2
this is so wrong, inauthentic, and racist on so many levels. harmony korine is not a black female and you don't need to see the production credits to know that everyone on this project other than the "models" is a white male. he is a closet racist and i really don't care if others disagree. i like some of his films but have always felt that way.
people are offended because this is offensive.
zigbee14 1 year ago 3
@zigbee14 you know, people who post stuff like this always go off about how "offensive" and "racist" something is, but they never explain WHY they feel this way. probably because they are unable to come up with adequate reasoning to justify their opinions.
betonyrose123 1 year ago
@zigbee14 so are you saying it would be somehow not racist if he only made movies with white people? i don't get your logic. i bet you aren't a black female either. i bet you don't even have any black friends.
FreedomGotAnAK 7 months ago
This is as good as it gets. Poetry.
JoalTee 1 year ago
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proenza & schouler missed the "BUS" with Harmony. sorry guys i know you want to be so hard cooler, but this shit din't fly.
orlaphantin1 1 year ago
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proenza & schouler miss the "BUS" with Harmony. sorry guys i know you want to be so hard cooler, but this shit din't fly.
orlaphantin1 1 year ago
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orlaphantin1 1 year ago
@purveyoroffoma I had to come back and see what you were laughing at..
and then I chuckled too.
prolly got drunk as hell, I just try to play naive at points. to overstate points.
lol..
fonsirelly 1 year ago
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fonsirelly 1 year ago
@purveyoroffoma I had to come back and see what you were laughing at..
and then I chuckled too.
prolly got drunk as hell, I just try to play naive at points. to overstate points,
lol..
fonsirelly 1 year ago
i love how he shows a dirty low end side of humanity& society, yet with these four girls, "the gang of fools" who, while in it recognize its disgust.. but turn to the beauty of nature for refuge and identify themselves as something separate something more animal. something that cannot quite be compared or associated with the place they are in for it is far too different. The clothes merely make this visibly true
underThesun5050 1 year ago
ok,its a movie portraying black girls acting destructively.korine is NOT the first one to do this.everyone hails boyz n the hood as a masterpiece,but they criticize this?every time theres a movie where a homosexual,african american or any other minority acts in a negative manner people pull out their soapboxes.
anything a black person can do a white person can do just as bad.
and dont even pretend for one second that there arent black girls who behave like this every single day.its the truth.
betonyrose123 1 year ago
@betonyrose123 Thank you! If this film was made by a black person, no one would be saying anything about it being racist. Just because it's a white director...for God's sake, a ball of lint can be picked apart as racist these days.
FoofarawFilms 1 year ago
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A women's wear company makes a film with beautiful girls against an inner city backdrop......so?
michaelleigh 1 year ago
A women's wear company makes a film with beautiful girls against an inner city backdrop......so?
michaelleigh 1 year ago
the fact that this is not a testimonial,
but a fashion promotion makes its content discriminatory.
and that the filmmaker is a white male who doesn't know shit
lucidzirkus 1 year ago 3
@lucidzirkus
ok! these facts are really dissapointing! I thought it was something personal first...hmm maybe it is, even by a white male? Still i am touched by the beauty i see in there, i could even say I feel this special aligend emotion I have around a real good piece of art...
jadwyga 6 months ago
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fashionjasmine06 1 year ago
"you can make it out this dead-end town"
so remind me again,
by calling this "act da fool" and
having only black females, (who are viewed as the lowest on the US Social Totem Pole)
who also look underage,
simulate drinkin 40s (amongst the destructive bullshit being talked about), dressed in the "high-end" fashion,
What message is being sent to black children?
fonsirelly 1 year ago 3
@fonsirelly why would a black child be even watching this?
slangshotstudios 6 months ago
@slangshotstudios Now Thats Racist .
Adam420Dreadz 5 months ago
"you can make it out this dead-end town"
so remind me again,
by calling this "act da fool" and
having only black females, (who are viewed as the lowest on the US Social Totem Pole)
who also look underage,
simulate drinkin 40s (amongst the destructive bullshit being talked about), dressed in the "high-end" fashion,
What message is being sent to black children?
fonsirelly 1 year ago 3
@fonsirelly hahahaha... "simulate"
purveyoroffoma 1 year ago
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zoe1114 1 year ago
what the hell is this Gummo for black people?
Ohmytube 1 year ago
this feels like a song, almost
13579zcbm 1 year ago
this moves me so much, it just makes me feel....i'm not even sure how to explain it. korine is a genius.
pretendwedontexist 1 year ago
I think this is a bit bigger than just a "black women's experience," I think the fact everyone is so reactionary and ready to jump to that defense says more about race than this COMMERCIAL ever would.
High Art meets filth...it's a Harmony Korine film, what'd you expect?
heartworm666 1 year ago
I wanted to continue from the post below--I see these girls everyday on the subway here in Atlanta, I see them in the supermarket, the mall, working at fast food joints, pushing their two babies in strollers on the streets--there could have been a much more authentic aesthetic in the filming, the message and the narration--i understand this is for clothes(Couture or Prêt-à-Porter ) at that, but lets make it truly unique and have a message thus lifting the message of the designs!
lhaynes79 1 year ago
amazing..absolutely amazing that this is passing for some form of art or commercialization--i say this from the perspective of a creative writer, business writer, businessman, doctoral student and an African-American. THe total true aesthetic is not there. The voice of the narrator is not authentic--to me for the character she is attempting to portray nor is the setting...poorly made!. My brother a journalist and photographer could have done better and added much more legitimacy and forethought!
lhaynes79 1 year ago
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Where did this nigger steal the video camera to record this bullshit?
I'm calling the cops.
megatronaffliction 1 year ago
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@megatronaffliction You are an ignorant racist!!!
ezearl2 1 year ago
I dont find this film racist... i find it offensive. but then again the world id full of rich white people trying to be ironic and make a statement for duplicitous reasons... the film itself is not bad but what it pretends to be or rather what some people seem to get from it is far removed from what i see when i see this... everyone wants to clap hands when fashion recognises the poor black female... is this art, no its an ad, is this up lifting black women, quit the contrary!
mellowcity 1 year ago 9
@mellowcity - you thought about it after watching it, it severed it's purpose. You have a comment. THAT is art. FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
potar 11 months ago 2
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@mellowcity - you thought about it after watching it, it served it's purpose. You have a comment. THAT is art. FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
potar 11 months ago
@mellowcity I understand where you are coming from, but in this case it's not true. Harmony Korine is far from rich and isn't one to try and make statements. A fashion company approached him, because he is an artist. When he makes these films with a white cast (as per usual), the films are lauded by critics and "art buffs". Now this one is hated on because the cast is black? It's offensive? The chip on your shoulder must be blocking your view.
thaumaturge138 8 months ago
@mellowcity
I'm from Scotland, and if you can't relate to this, you're thinking too hard. It's universal. Would you rather these girls weren't doing anything? How do you not know that this might be a break for each or any of them? If you don't work with creative people you sometimes don't get the chance to be creative. Think about Tricky and his ingenue cycle, Massive Attack and how open they are to collaboration, how most established directors are giving other people's writing a chance.
tkksilvergun 8 months ago
@mellowcity You've obviously never seen any of Korine's other movies: Kids, Gummo and Julien Donkey-Boy. All of the aforementioned films depict white people in tedious living situations. This ad has nothing to do with degrading the black race.
punkestdisease1 7 months ago
I love the feeling to this video and they looked GREAT in the clothes :)!!
Fashion4life 1 year ago
its racist to be thinking about racism every damn time you see a black person. this video is beautiful, lay off
sidearaa 1 year ago
the voice of the girl speaking is mesmerizing!
lemonita 1 year ago
I don't get why people always search meaning (racial or social or whatever) in such movies. This is Harmony Korine, just watch his stuff for the poetry in themselves and not for some meaning you make up to exist, you'll enjoy it better afterwards.
schink24 1 year ago 31
@schink24 Don't be fucking stupid. Don't try and be oblivious and naive and act like there is no meaning behind this. When do you ever see a group of black women used in a promotional video for high fashion? RARELY. There is clearly meaning behind this, and I see nothing wrong with people voicing there thought and opinions on the peice. It'll help you enlighten yourself and see the film in different perspectives. Don't be narrow minded.
WebcamWhore 1 year ago 2
@WebcamWhore No meaning is explictly stated, so any meaning you find in the film is solely based on what you think can be a meaning. So you can find and discuss that meaning which you've already found and discussed elsewhere and be all 'enlightened', or you can do as I originally said and just don't care about that and watch it because it's good to watch and not because of the social commentary behind it. And I see nothing wrong with people voicing their thoughts either, that was just mine.
schink24 1 year ago
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@schink24 Don't be fucking stupid. Don't try and be oblivious and naive and act like there is no meaning behind this. When do you ever see a group of black women used in a promotional video for high fashion? RARELY. There is clearly meaning behind this, and I see nothing wrong with people voicing there thought and opinions on the peice. It'll help you enlighten yourself and see the film in different perspectives. Don't be narrow minded.
WebcamWhore 1 year ago
@schink24 most art is meant to metaphorical or have a meaning... that's probably why. Not saying it all does.
GetThisThingCrunk 10 months ago
@schink24 Better to over-think something than to not think at all.
perogie34 9 months ago
@perogie34 Not entirely I think. Over-thinking can lead you to assume the existence of non-existing stuff, while passive observation allows the said-stuff to unfold and happen as it is.
schink24 9 months ago
Okay kids, these girls do not look "REAL" -- they're decked out in $20,000 outfits. I'm so sick of Korine's parodies of the poor. He is condescending and absurd. The audacity it took for PS and Korine to create this video blows my mind. Admittedly, it is kind of funny, but mostly, it is offensive. At least I realize I'm being made fun of when I see this ... why is that so many viewers DON'T ???
listentohear 1 year ago
@listentohear This video is not that interesting, and that's it's only fault. Just a standard narrative of people in poverty in America. And they're wearing nice outfits. I don't think it's any more racist than showing a bunch of honkies in a pick-up drinking forties or bud. Where is the stretch here that makes it a racist stereotype? The suggestions made in the comments-that they should be drinking champagne or there should also be people of different races together-are ridiculous.
chesterton3 1 year ago
it's kind of mild for harmony korine isn't it? kinda boring. so your problem is with his amoral depiction of the poor? if you're looking for a moral, isn't it humanizing to have this narrative watched by people? do you think the other video he shot for them is better to have out there?
chesterton3 1 year ago
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blackgirlki 1 year ago
@listentohear It's an ad. That's why they're wearing those clothes. Also its about how no matter what class you're in and where you live; you can still look cute.
TheElizabethboom 1 year ago
@TheElizabethboom says "It's an ad. That's why they're wearing those clothes. Also its about how no matter what class you're in and where you live; you can still look cute."
and you wonder why there are fools on here saying that everyone who is offended is just being foolish and that people are just deeming everrrrything racist nowadays! you wonder! i'm sure proenza schouler now makes clothes that cater to people under the poverty line. cool!
shippynippy 1 year ago
good shit
Markthompson123 1 year ago
How do I achieve the distortion effect? (1:08)
lmpressive 1 year ago
this has got to be the most dismal and ineffective attempt at "hope" if that's even his thesis... tired shit as per usual
howudoingbaby 1 year ago
I think its a good question if the main characters in this film was porn whites?! But should one be accepting of the fact that the film maker focused on young girls of color?
sedecim 1 year ago
brilliance at its finest.
BougieBlackShow 1 year ago
this is pure genius. i love this so much!
rritallino 1 year ago 2
I feel like a lot of people are completely disregarding the significance of the wig shop. Hair plays such an important roll in African American culture, as well as many other cultures. Young African American women are raised with this importance and emphasis on their hair, and that's passed on from generation to generation, and exhibited at even younger ages. Look at some of Gallagher's work. All of the statements about how this piece is racist are completely absolutely absurd.
peacockskelliton 1 year ago
@peacockskelliton yeah, I whip ma hair right back atcha!
amamuffin 1 year ago
i don't think it would have been better if they used poor white or asian kids in this video. not cool either way to glamorize poverty to sell high-end, expensive ish to people who mostly can't relate in no way shape or form to the girls in the video. i like the concept of the movie as a standalone; i'm drawn to it. but then i realize it's to sell money clothes, and i'm like "WTF"?? plus it's a double whammy the girls being black; the irony often gets lost in obvious stereotypes like these...
timarasa 1 year ago 2
@timarasa my thoughts exactly.
kendoctora 1 year ago
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timarasa 1 year ago
sleepin' on the streets. i just got that brilliance.
Piyyutim 1 year ago
i wish i was that bird and i could just fly away.
kaitlinownsall 1 year ago
i thought it was mad sexy
Its us against the world
Shirvannn 1 year ago
Pure Genius
I wish he wud do the skit about the jews living in trees,i swear ive seen em in ny
paint ritalin and a modern age buster keaton
Shirvannn 1 year ago
I am not even going to indulge the idea of whether this is racist or not. I personally enjoyed it.
Girlymurder 1 year ago
Harmony Korine is a JEW so naturally he is racist against all races equally.
dancewithme220 1 year ago
I understand the shock value and the artistic expression the director was trying to portray. However, to say that it isn't racist is absurd. Just because you do something in the name of art does not make it any less racist. Standing in a weave shop, acting like they are in a gang, dribbling a basketball, "we act like babies sometimes" while drinking 40oz like its a baby bottle. Come on I was born at night but it wasn't last night and I know an ignorant racist video when I see one.
thewarden1906 1 year ago 2
@thewarden1906 Well if this is racist, than Gummo was compeltely racist towards whites.
skulldrix 1 year ago
@skulldrix well whatever being "rascist towards whites" means, gummo was a piece of (white) poverty porn... and as to this, we'll be having a slightly different conversation had it NOT been a proenza ad...
ngenhans 1 year ago
DO NOT LIKE. Harmony or no harmony. Politics of race and socio-economic class as still very closely aligned when ascribed to AA females. This one would never buy anything PS - and yes she can afford to....years of hard work and an ivy league education have ensured this. I'm all for irreverence and quirk, but this is incredibly offensive and in incredibly poor taste. PS and HK have crossed the line... into racist representation...TSK! TSK!
kafraser123 1 year ago
@kafraser123 what if a black person had made it?
blackgirlki 1 year ago
And also, would it be less offensive if the characters were white, or asian? When you think about it that way, it has nothing to do with race.
dreamlandlover 1 year ago 2
I don't think there's anything racist, or offensive about this at all. It's focus isn't african-american girls, but just young girls who feel outcast, lost, and like they'll never really get the chance to leave their surroundings. Nothing racist at all.
dreamlandlover 1 year ago
love the fashion but I am not to sure about liking the concept of the video! why are the African American girls portrayed in this light! Not to say you're racists or anything but I don't think an African American female would want to be portrayed way.
NaturalCurlyGirl 1 year ago
@NaturalCurlyGirl watch Gummo. I'm black..and saw other films by Harmony. This just happens to cover black girls. Other films cover whites in the same light.
suchNNsuch 1 year ago
@suchNNsuch ok I was getting a little scared for a min there! thanks for clearing it all up for me!
NaturalCurlyGirl 1 year ago
@NaturalCurlyGirl i know many who would. is that right or wrong?
blackgirlki 1 year ago
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NaturalCurlyGirl 1 year ago
Racism never enters the mind of those who embrace BS! Proenza Schouler should be ashamed of themselves to have this video represent their company. The narrative and images are as offensive as they come. I know, fashion should be creative and provocative, but this is garbage pure and simple. Anyone CLAIMING to see anything other than a socio-cultural stereotypes is delusional.
SuperIzzysmom 1 year ago 4
@SuperIzzysmom but what if this wasn't an ad and a black girl made this film and posted it. is it okay to make films like this?
blackgirlki 1 year ago
this is beautiful. I thought about the racism comment as I was watching it and I didn't see it at all.
mitchkuhnert 1 year ago
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violentboyfriend 1 year ago
@violentboyfriend
BUT HE DIDN'T DO IT ON HIS OWN. HE DID IT FOR PROENZA SCHOULER.
if you don't watch this as an advertisement, you're not seeing it.
listentohear 1 year ago
@listentohear oh shit you were right
violentboyfriend 1 year ago
@listentohear you mean advertising to a demographic that can not afford to it? exoticizing poverty? I think I see it now...
amamuffin 1 year ago
this is pure genius. harmony korine is probably the greatest artist of this generation. there is so much life and beauty in this its actually hard to believe. i love this so much.
bubby5496 1 year ago 4
@bubby5496 we beautiful to, or didn't you know?
blackgirlki 1 year ago
Stupid video and if the purpose was to show clothes, it didn't even do a good job of that. Don't bother watching it. It's a waste of time.
kee523 1 year ago
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Astonish70 1 year ago