@ChrisE631, my dept changed to this load for all of our initial attack hose , we have had no problems with this load if loaded correctly, i am with a rural fire dept with minimum manpower at times and this is a great load, we use both smooth bore and fog nozzles and have had no problems with it.
Great video but can someone tell me why did you add the 10ft of 3 inch hose? Why not hook the gated Y directly to the standpipe. I appreciate any feedback.
its a nice load as far as initial deployment is concerned, however unless its used mainly as a primary attack line that is not going to be shut down at all on scene, it has a tendancy to corkscrew along the length of the line which in itself doesn't cause a problem but as soon as the water is shut down to that line for any reason and the line is moves it binds up like nothing i can desribe. after that happens, it will be extremely difficult in re-establishing a water supply to that hose again.
Good load. We call it the Dunkin Donut. Should probably go with light-weight 2 1/2 though for high rise and standpipe ops. Did you check that gated wye for a gasket?! :) Must have been bay day.
Try using a coiled hose bundle to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in seconds.
Using smooth bore nozzles and leaving one firefighter at the bundle is the only way to use this load safely. Smooth bore will let you know if it is kinked and crews can give it an extra tug to get the kink out. The firefighter at the bundle can ensure it doesn't get tangled.
@ChrisE631 The smoothbore nozzle is your problem. It takes away the pressure. It was stated in the video not to deploy an uncharged hose line. The reason is the coiling of the hose will naturally kink by untwisting. This kinking happens when there is not enough pressure on the hose.
Every time a loop is pulled out there is a significant kink in the line. Kinks can reduce your flows by 50% or more. I hope you don't need water at the exact moment the hose is kinked. If you use automatic nozzles chances are you won't even notice the reduced flow. Nothing replaces a properly flaked hoseline.
Be careful before deciding to use this load. It is new to structural fire fighting and has been used very little in actual fires. I expect to see some problems arise as companies use it more. Hopefully it doesn't result in a firefighter fatality. Do extensive testing in real life situations and use pressure or flow meters to test flows. Kinks are a fact of life with this load. You can't avoid it.
@ntstick06 We have been using this load too, with great results. Contrary to what ChrisE631 says, there is no need to leave a firefighter with the load. It will play out just fine. Keep safe!
We call them the "Bundles" We run two bundles of 100ft hose each. But we use smooth bore nozzels. If we need more than 100ft we just remove the tip and the smooth bore becomes a simple ball valve gate. Just drop the next bundle, charge it and away you go
I found that a long piece of double sided velcro works better than the seat belts from a strecher.
make a tab by folding a piece back to its self and hot glue it together. easier to undo in a hurry and we have found that two pieces looped around the last section of hose and glued in a loop around the hose with a long tab to hold the pack together is the cats ass
You can drop your nozzel upside down and facing you on the ground. Step on it. And then simply feed hose up the stairs. Once you've gotten the desired amount up the stairs simply pick up the nozzel and have at it. All of the weight from the water is already above you so you can basicly just run with it with no worries. You can go up stair wells by just leaving the nozzel an moving yourself up the stairs and simply facing the set of stairs you wish to feed the hose up.
I just saw his for the first time today. Awesome!! I plan On re doing our highrise packs to this setup. lokks a hell of alot easier then the way we have them now!! (the traditonal way)
@ChrisE631, my dept changed to this load for all of our initial attack hose , we have had no problems with this load if loaded correctly, i am with a rural fire dept with minimum manpower at times and this is a great load, we use both smooth bore and fog nozzles and have had no problems with it.
mrRickywayne54 5 days ago
Good job on the video! Dirt simple!
fiddlefolk 1 month ago
Great video but can someone tell me why did you add the 10ft of 3 inch hose? Why not hook the gated Y directly to the standpipe. I appreciate any feedback.
Thanks, be safe
captainmaddog100 3 months ago
its a nice load as far as initial deployment is concerned, however unless its used mainly as a primary attack line that is not going to be shut down at all on scene, it has a tendancy to corkscrew along the length of the line which in itself doesn't cause a problem but as soon as the water is shut down to that line for any reason and the line is moves it binds up like nothing i can desribe. after that happens, it will be extremely difficult in re-establishing a water supply to that hose again.
peiguy1977 4 months ago
Good load. We call it the Dunkin Donut. Should probably go with light-weight 2 1/2 though for high rise and standpipe ops. Did you check that gated wye for a gasket?! :) Must have been bay day.
TheSpotswood7 7 months ago
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juniorff321 1 year ago
We've been using this hose load on our dept for over a year now and it work perfect it just looks like IRS kinked but it's out in a split second
juniorff321 1 year ago
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Try using a coiled hose bundle to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in seconds.
hftfire 1 year ago
thanks man
we try to use this type of hoaseload in my dept. in germany an it works realy nice thanks again
garfield9889 1 year ago
Great video. We're going to give it a try this afternoon. Even we have a different tactics in germany, i think it is overall usefull.
t3hroOf 1 year ago
Great video very discriptive. Looks like someone foregot to close the other side of the gated "y".
68Engine68 1 year ago
Great video thanks for sharing.
rmbuser 2 years ago
Using smooth bore nozzles and leaving one firefighter at the bundle is the only way to use this load safely. Smooth bore will let you know if it is kinked and crews can give it an extra tug to get the kink out. The firefighter at the bundle can ensure it doesn't get tangled.
ChrisE631 2 years ago
@ChrisE631 The smoothbore nozzle is your problem. It takes away the pressure. It was stated in the video not to deploy an uncharged hose line. The reason is the coiling of the hose will naturally kink by untwisting. This kinking happens when there is not enough pressure on the hose.
jasonthephoneboy 7 months ago
Every time a loop is pulled out there is a significant kink in the line. Kinks can reduce your flows by 50% or more. I hope you don't need water at the exact moment the hose is kinked. If you use automatic nozzles chances are you won't even notice the reduced flow. Nothing replaces a properly flaked hoseline.
ChrisE631 2 years ago
Be careful before deciding to use this load. It is new to structural fire fighting and has been used very little in actual fires. I expect to see some problems arise as companies use it more. Hopefully it doesn't result in a firefighter fatality. Do extensive testing in real life situations and use pressure or flow meters to test flows. Kinks are a fact of life with this load. You can't avoid it.
ChrisE631 2 years ago
@ChrisE631 my dept had been using this for over a year now with no problems..no offence man but maybe you guys just are not using it right
ntstick06 1 year ago
@ntstick06 We have been using this load too, with great results. Contrary to what ChrisE631 says, there is no need to leave a firefighter with the load. It will play out just fine. Keep safe!
PoppaBlue59 1 year ago
We call them the "Bundles" We run two bundles of 100ft hose each. But we use smooth bore nozzels. If we need more than 100ft we just remove the tip and the smooth bore becomes a simple ball valve gate. Just drop the next bundle, charge it and away you go
dltforce146 2 years ago
The Comment below is for SL3671
rains721 2 years ago
I found that a long piece of double sided velcro works better than the seat belts from a strecher.
make a tab by folding a piece back to its self and hot glue it together. easier to undo in a hurry and we have found that two pieces looped around the last section of hose and glued in a loop around the hose with a long tab to hold the pack together is the cats ass
twood2978 2 years ago
dog collars work great 2
ntfd125 2 years ago
has anyone tried 2 1/2" hose? I would think the circles might have to be bigger
keaton7655 2 years ago
Have fun mopping up the floor :D
lmsasquatch 2 years ago
Any video deploying the charged hoseload vertically (up a stairwell)
SL3671 3 years ago
You can drop your nozzel upside down and facing you on the ground. Step on it. And then simply feed hose up the stairs. Once you've gotten the desired amount up the stairs simply pick up the nozzel and have at it. All of the weight from the water is already above you so you can basicly just run with it with no worries. You can go up stair wells by just leaving the nozzel an moving yourself up the stairs and simply facing the set of stairs you wish to feed the hose up.
rains721 2 years ago
thank you!
jlm993 3 years ago
Gives me a great idea for my next training evelution.
jojod22 3 years ago
Thats a Great Tip. I thought it was funny when you charged the line and the Apparatus Bay Floor Started To Flood.
gpghosts 3 years ago
yeah thats the new "sprinkler" soft sleeve keeps the driver cool in the hot Florida sun
FoundingFOOL 3 years ago
awesome demo; I plan on showing this at our next training meeting and redo our high rise packs to match this; great job and thanks.
I94901 3 years ago
I just saw his for the first time today. Awesome!! I plan On re doing our highrise packs to this setup. lokks a hell of alot easier then the way we have them now!! (the traditonal way)
dvwart 3 years ago
Glad you found it useful. Wait until you train with it, it is extremely easy to load and deploy, thanks for the feed back!
FoundingFOOL 3 years ago
That's Awesome! Great Idea! We may add it to our training curriculum in NJ!
FireHoney4 3 years ago