If you're waiting for the NDP to be "influential" with a Liberal minority government, note that in the past 40 years, there have been exactly two Liberal minorities. The NDP "squeezed" no child care program out of Paul Martin. In the three years he was PM, no such program ever materialized; only a hypothetical promise to do so if Martin was re-elected. As for the Tories being afraid to spend, they are the highest-spending government in Canadian history.
Um yeah. For the record, Pearson hasn't been PM in 42 years and Trudeau hasn't been PM in 26 years. That Liberal Party is dead, my friend, and left-leaning voters deny this fact at their own peril. If you want left, go NDP; if you want right, go Tory.
I love how you lump in the Liberals with "parties with progressive platforms." Do combat missions led by Americans, corporate tax cuts, anti-scab policies, covert support for the Iraq war, a loss on your own vote on overseas abortions, failure for 13 years to institute national daycare and pharmacare, and full support for Harper's right-wing anti-crime legislation qualify as "progressive"? The NDP and Bloc, yes, but the Liberals? Come on. You're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
you ignorant turds, read more and dont assume that because they have a coalition that democracy doesn't exist... Look also at the effects of the harper administration on Canada then make an objective statement. rediculous
Good job, it worked without having to take power and force an election we can't afford. Harper ran scared & finally realized that something was going on with the economy....I've a funny feeling that though he may call himself an economist, chances are he barely passed his university classes. Just remember, someone always finishes last in each class but they still earn the right to say they are educated. I voted for him and I'll admit we have the wrong man in power now.
Yeah, this coalition is dead, and all those who label themselves "progressive" in support of the coalition are just deluding themselves.
It was a power grab by people who lost the last federal election, and the simple fact is that the majority of Canadians outside of Quebec and Newfoundland DO NOT WANT A COALITION.
The GG doesn't make these decisions in a vaccum...
I don't know what is going to happen. I think the NDP is taking too much of an extreme by just declaring that they will vote the budget down, regardless of what happens. I agree with the Grits for their stance-read the budget first and ten decide if it will benefit the country. I think Harper is scary and he has broken almost all of his election promises, and I would really like to see him out-but I don't think just deciding to vote him just because, is a good idea.
what are you talking about realityalarmcheck? I took about 2 minutes to respond to you. Nobody needs to think hard to put you in your place because you have no point. The only reason why people are hurting is because they are banging their head against the table in disbelieve that such a delusional person like yourself actually exists.
How is the majority opposed to the conservatives? Can't you say more of a majority is against the liberals because they have less votes? You have no logic.
Realityalarmclock, being as partisan as you are of course you think conservative policies are bad. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and political views. But one thing is universally unacceptable and that is CORRUPTION.
I only have to say two words to show how blind, ignorant and delusional you are to have unconditional love for the liberals -> SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL.
Who championed the Accountability Act? Yes, it's Harper.
This coalition is all about The NDP & Liberals getting together & acting like spoiled brats throwning a temper tantrum because they didn't win the election.
no kids, why can't a discussion take place without insults.... your points should be able to stand on their own without insulting each other... that goes for everyone. A a proud Canadian I expect and hope for better decorum and more mutual respect. Lets hear the arguemnts, keep the character attacks out.
Hey, realityalarmclock. You really do need to get a life. Don't waste my time with things you THINK you understand. I can clearly see you don't know what the Coalition is for, nor why they formed, nor why they are running against anything for that matter. There is nothing united here. You think you understand the rat race, but you are clearly clueless. You have no life experience. You are just following a think-tank that has nothing to do with you nor your comprehension of it.
maybe...all running for election run as independant with open votes in parliament...take away party agendas and let members vote their constituency...
What values espoused the sponsorship scandal and the unconstitutional dealings of people's EI? These are facts as they have been independently decided on by Gomery and the supreme court. Not you or me.
You cannot claim that the majority of canadians are left wing when liberal is claiming itself to be towards the center and swing both ways. What you have stated are your interpretations based on how you would delusional like to think of things. NOT facts.
ameneses, I don't care about what you think because we could just go back and forth on partisan views. The findings of Supreme court of Canada and the Gomery Commission are not stuff that I made up. The fact that given the choices of 4 parties. Most people voted for the conservatives is not something I made up. I mean you can twist it all you want... how you can add up votes but the point is no one voted for lib-ndp-bloc. These are facts and they are undeniable.
Tragedy, thats what the GG created when he gave Harper the prorogue. Last week The Globe and Mail found that the Conservatives where the culprit in bringing bad decision about the housing market. They exposed Canadians to sub prime mortgages. Today Harperis reversing his economic output..3 weeks ago it was rosy and now its worst?? Harper you are fool of BS.
Coalition Govt is better than this mistake ridden, impotent Conservatives!!!
I believe that puntsok4 is all messed up...Brian mulronney was a very hated P.M. and left the country in chaos..he did raise a lot of taxes and spent the money with his wife,and after his government was wiped out of office it took a long time to recover...I have always wondered why canadians forgot that and elected another conservative P.M...poor memory I guess...Mulroney+Harper+Bush=Dogs from the same pack..:(
What the hell are you talking about? They -all- lost votes. Cons about 167 000. Libs about 846 000. Bloc about 170 000. NDP about 74 000. What's your point? You expected the amount of votes all parties received to go UP when we experienced a record low voter turnout?
they can call for another election ,so sorry but the coalition will be nothing but a bad memory for canadians. Better to spend 300 million then have these thieves waste our tax $ & put us in such debt that our future great grandchildren will be paying for it
I'm all for a coalition! We'd accomplish two birds with one stone - we'd get rid of the dead weight Quebec (separate already!) and the Liberal party would be trashed for the next decade. We'd sacrifice our economy to those who wanted to chuck $30 billion into the dying auto industry, but hey, we're going to hell in a handbasket with the rest of the world anyway.
I say if this coaltion does actually have a chance of trying to topple our PM in the new year we have another election..better spending 300 million with the CONS winning a majority then the coaltion wasting/stealing the tax payers blind..LIBS scandal adscam/sponsorship/gun registry debacle/EI fund diversion & illegal taxation of it etc etc..wake up ppl & realize theyhave robbed usblind for years,their only interest have been for themselves or self interest sectors
Ironic how Iggy is the leader of the FIBeral party as he shares so much of the same ideology as Bush, the Fibs have always accused Harper of being like Bush but now you have a replica of him sitting in our parliament,all heil to the new american who is a Canadian party leader...P.E.Trudeau would be rolling over in his grave to see this day
sucka you've either been brainwashed or are a lib party member, otherwise no objective person would actually believe your theory of bcs Harper didn't get majority vote the other 3 with their combined have the moral right to take away the ppls vote.I have friends who either voted libs or green & they were upset as they had voted for them individually & for their seperate platform which the 3stooges eagerly changed once they became a coaltion.The only thing transparent was their lust 4 power
So it's "mindless" & "an attack" now because u ppl have no logic? Just because I am pointing out the stupidity of your logic does not make me against anything except for stupid ppl. I think Iggy might be a good PM if he gets elected. Keyword being elected.
Every party has different platforms and just because someone's platform does not fit your ideals it doesn't mean you throw out election results. Such a simple concept you will never get because you have no sense of the meaning of democracy.
Cicero Ignatieff has been the new leader of the Liberal party for a few days now. You need to recalibrate your mindless attack ads.
Stephen Harper caused the Coalition to form because of his partisan attacks against opposition funding, his desire to remove civil workers right to strike until 2011 and his move to remove womans right to salary equity benefits. All these moves have been attempted by the conservatives under the guise of "tightening the belt", they only amount to partisan games.
And I am not a right wing extremist because I have said time and time again that if the liberals won the last election with Dion, good for him, he is my PM.. and I would have hoped for all of our sake that he does well because he would represent us and make decisions that affect us.
You are the uncritical lemming the follows liberals to the gates of hell no matter what wrong they have done. You like to ignore facts and logic and accuse others of twisting the truth with no bases.
How am I twisting anything? You are the one that says 62% voted against Harper. That is a twist in statistics. You can also say 80% voted against the liberals.
In the last election, the choices on the ballot were NDP, bloc liberals and conservatives. The choices were not Conservatives vs. against conservatives. You can only claim 62% against the conservatives if that was an option on the ballot. Don't know how much more simple to explain to you.
cicero-the majority of people voted against harper's policies. He is the only one wityh right wing policies. Sixty Two percent of Canadians don't want a right wing government. Most of those people support the Coalition. This is a representation of the majority of people. And you call me stupid?
sucka, i can't help it, you are stupid. I am not going to explain it again because I am wasting my time, if you can't see that there was not one vote for the coalition. If you want to combine votes, you should take some from american idol as well. I feel dumb talking to you.
Wake up. Harper is finished. Unless he somehow he completely changes his policies, Harper will be defeated. Call it undemocratic if you want, but the Conservatives have tried this twice. This is parliamentary democracy at its finest. This is a message that the majority of people don't want Harper. How is that undemocratic?
cicero-none of the parties are right wing-aside from the conservatives. If you don't vote for Harper-you don't support him. I don't really see what logic I am not getting! What you don't get is that the Coalition is representing the 62% of the people who voted to get Harper out of office. Why can't you get THAT logic.
Libs just don't believe in democracy. even libs have voiced their distaste about how Iggy got crowned. I am not saying this, your party is saying this. And i have already given an example where the supreme court has said liberals were unconstitutional. I didn't say this, the supreme court said it. and the comery report said the libs had a sense of entitlement. Again I am not making this up. I mean if you choose to have your head in the sand and be illiterate, I can't help you.
And why don't you get that 62% of the people did not vote against harper? That was not a ballot question. It's like saying 80% of the people voted against Dion. I am trying to not call you names but it's difficult if you can't even get simple logic like that.
THIS IS NOT UNDEMOCRATIC!I am so tired of people saying it is! It is in the constitution that allows us to do this. HARPER TRIED IT HIMSELF!WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST GET THAT!!
The Conservatives voted Harper in. Not the people. And 62 percent of the people voted against Harper. Regardless of what happens now, the governments won't be 100 percent stable. We will just have to wait and see what happens. I just feel that the Coalition would be a little bit more stable than a right wing minority government.
"The Supreme Court has ruled that for three years, from 2002 to 2005, the federal government unconstitutionally collected employment insurance premiums." (CTV) Hmmm more evidence liberal issues? Where is the champion of the constitution now? So libs, you practice against the constitution and is undemocratic (with the Iggy crowning and the coalition)...and not to mention sponsorship scandal. How can any logical person blindly support these guys as being better alternatives? U are all idiots.
Regardless of what party you support, a coalition government right now and under these terms is not the answer. We live in a country where important issues are taken out of our hands and voted on by politicians. Yet, we have to live with the end result. How can anyone support a government that told us what we want doesn't matter as long as they have power? Do you really believe once they have power your voice will suddenly be heard? Libs & NDPs starving for your tax dollars. Nice.
And I am not necessarily in support of harper. I am just against the coalition. If Iggy would back away from the coalition and runs against harper and win he could be a good PM but just getting to be PM based on a coalition is undemocratic no matter how you slice it, call it parliamentary politics, whatever, the point is people did not get to check off the "coalition" in the last election. I would also be fine with the results if in the next election the coalition ran against harper and wins.
Actually cicero, as a liberal I would no how things work. The way Rae was proposing wouldn't let every liberal decide anyway. Delegates vote-NOT ALL PARTY MEMBERS! The point is NO ONE FORCED RAE TO QUIT!He is doing this for the party. Besides-ONTARIO WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED RAE TO EVER BE PRIME MINISTER! And I am a Lib-I AM NOT FORCING ANYTHING ON ANYONE! Harper has caused this whole coalition problem-NOT THE LIBS!And try to refrain from name calling.And you want undemocratic-look @Harper's update
U didn't see the lib senators outraged at the process?U didn't see Rae saying that he did not get the process he wanted since only a handful of ppl will decide? Harper won a minority gov. Harper won the leadership against stronach & clement in a convention. These are choices by ppl where alternatives are available. Iggy was crowned as the leader... like dion who wanted to be PM without people actually voting for him to be PM. pretty clear cut on who talks about democracy and who practices it.
a coalition would be helpful in almost any situation, For the magority! come on people, for fcuk sakes, why dont you get5 up off your asses and help produce a representative gov. regardless of the % of votes as seen here some partys can have no say whatsoever, because they have no seats. but it is nice to see some people have stepped up so far though.
Looks like Ignatieff will be the Liberal leader.The best one of the choices.
Hes not totally for this Muppet coalition thing with the Commies(NDP)and the Separatists. One Liberal thats behind Ignatieff as leader said last night on CBC that "they just dont trust the NDP" I guess the Liberal party isnt totally void of wisdom and common sense.Another said that this Coalition is starting to look less like a Conservative over throw and more like a Far Left take over of the Liberal Party.
Lut41, Iggy's signed a piece of paper with his name on it that he wants the coalition so he is not holier than thou. Libs are all the same. They say they believe in democracy but they don't. Read my previous post to the sucka liberal party member.
Cicero the Liberfal Party is defending democracy from Harper. Yes this process may have been undemocratic but Rae would have lost anyway! Ontario wouldn't allow him to be in. And nobody forced Rae to quit! And don't tell me you know more than I do! I AM A LIBERAL PARTY MEMBER!
Sucka 23454321, is that your sucker reg# w/ the libs? U listen to the rhetoric but is too dumb to process it. Let me help u. Iggy is winning by acclamation bc Libs don't believe in democracy. If u watch Rae's int u will see that he feels he got pushed out. You have 87 ppl deciding for 60K members (yes deciding for u). Rae wanted to ask the 60K. This is the same type of crap libs tried to force on us w/ the coalition. libs fool u once shame on them. libs fool you again, well you are just a MORON.
This "economic" crisis is such BS. Gas is 725 and bank just dropped interest rates so i am actually going to pay my debt for mortgage instead of interests. Why do we love US so much that we want to have a self fulfilling prophecy to have our economy crash like them. Just bc Jack Layton wants power (he is great by the way for his supporters) it doesn't mean that we should oust a government that is keeping us in the black. No to the coalition! have lib v con legitimately in the next election.
So Iggy is going to win by acclamation just like Dion wanted to be PM without anybody actually voting for him. Does the liberal party believe in democracy?
Gj louismcleod, tell your friends as it seems most of this misinformation that is spewing on every coalition video comment board is from the west i.e. alberta.
No offense to westerners as a whole but you guys are hypnotized by harpers propaganda.
WAKE THE FUCK UP.
YOU ARE WHAT THE AMERICAN SOUTH WAS TO BUSH AND EVERYONE WILL MAKE FUN OF YOUR SHITTY PROVINCE FOR YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DUMB CRAP YOU HAVE SAID ON CAMERA, ON RADIO AND ON BLOGS.
I am fully awake and consider my choices carefully.
I am aware of the slants to each side, and the views of those who are stuck in the "middle".
But with it all said and done, laid out and presented, I come to a conclusion differing from your point of view.
Does this make me an idiot by default?
Let me assure you that a supporter of Mr. Harper or the Conservative party does not have to be qualified by low IQ or a secret agenda to manipulate the minds of others.
THIS IS NOT AMERICA canadienhab your name should mean you know that. This is a parliamentary democracy we have in Canada AND YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM. I REPEAT YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM, YOU VOTE FOR A POLITICAL PARTY.
Political parties can form coalitions and is constitutional and have been show to be productive for the country.
stop with your fiberal rhetorics, main issue isthe fact ppl did not vote for them as a coalition but INDIVIDUALLY, you can keep spewing your BS but no one but the mentally challenged actually believe this nonsense..DUMBASS
So the perfect leader to lead our country a week ago was Dion but now it's not? You ppl that STILL support to coalition are just stupid bc it's not a sensible alternative. I don't even know what the alternative is right now? Liberals? Liberal-NDP-Bloc? Liberal-NDP? Please get you ducks in roll first...or we will have Harper forever.... all the alternative/the bastardized coalition has shown is that they want power, at all cost, even against democracy but they have no organization or plan.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what are you doing? Ontarians have long forgotten *cough cough* Bob Rae is the best chance for the liberals!!!!!! Go Bobbbbbbb!!!!!!!!
the 3 stooges of parliament hill..what noble characters lmao..layton would sell his own mother to get power, Dion is weak & liberals are notorious for wasting/stealing tax $ & is about to get thrown out of his own party, Duseppe is just out for Quebec...yeah what a bunch of winners to lead Canada, they couldn't lead a dog around for god sakes...the only ones supporting them are the ones looking for hand outs ie UNION MEMBERS...all about self interest & not the majority of the ppl in Canada
346117: let's see. He has governed and passed legislation for the whole time he was in govt by being supported by the bloc and "socialists" etc but when someone else will govern supported by the bloc he calls them separatists. He has muzzled his MPs, by not allowing them to talk to the press without his veto or ok. He has shut down public access to govt documents (freedom of information) by shutting down webaccess. He has called artists "elitists" (when we are mostly broke and working 2 jobs)...
Seeing the reaction of the majority of Canadians and their lack of knowledge of parliamentary democracy this last week shows me presenting information to them as you would children should not be that far off.
Seeing the reaction of the majority of Canadians and their lack of knowledge of parliamentary democracy this last week shows me presenting information to them as you would children should not be that far off.
The Bloc will do nothing, but take advantage of the Coalition situation. Anyone who understands how THEIR government is managed showed know this. All I can say is wait and watch as it all unravels to prove my point.
"BTW Parliamentary rules are no substitute for the will of the people.'
Are you crazy, People in 308 ridings voted in the last election. The conservatives won 143. That's not a majority. Canadians in 165 ridings voted against the Conservatives.
Its clear the Conservatives did not get a mandate to do as they wish. They have an obligation to work with the other parties. The first chance they got to do this, they choose confrontation rather than cooperation.
How many coalition Separatists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three, Two standing around looking stupid, while one sticks his finger in the socket hoping for power.
Mr. Dion is the right man at the right time. Jack or him can lead the coalition together or apart. 2/3s of Canadians voted Liberal, NDP, Bloc or Green (nearly a million votes for Green but no seats in Parliament). Proportional representation is the catchphrase here my friend.
the 3 stooges of parliament hill..what noble characters lmao..layton would sell his own mother to get power, Dion is weak & liberals are notorious for wasting/stealing tax $ & is about to get thrown out of his own party, Duseppe is just out for Quebec...yeah what a bunch of winners to lead Canada, they couldn't lead a dog around for god sakes...the only ones supporting them are the ones looking for hand outs ie UNION MEMBERS...all about self interest & not the majority of the ppl in Canada
Adscam & the debacle of gun registry come to mind, how much did that cost the tax payers again bcs of the fiberals!..bring on an election & we'll wipe the floor with the coalition of rejected losers!
But in the meantime, seems like you have no viable arguments to raise against the prospect of a coalition government - that has the same guarantee of support from the Bloc that Stephen Harper argued for in a published article in the late 90s - & that the Alliance formally proposed in writing in 2004?
And, by the way- about getting facts straight, the Liberals left us with a 13 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS. I wouldn't blame them for the recession. And actally, this whole Coalition thing IS Democratic. This is how Parliamentary Democracy works and if you son't believe me, ask the Governor General-they have all said this is completely democratic! This doesn't happen during majority governments. Only minorities, because the Coalition represents more people than the elected partty. Don't lecture me thx
Stimulusintrigue, I have a question for you. What makes you hate liberals so much? And don't give that typical "socialists and elitists destroying the world" rhetoric. Why do you personally not like them? I am not kidding. I don't like the conservatives because I don't agree with right wing policies, and also because their fiscal update is just plain scary to me. Also, with the whole name calling business, I haven't called you anything once, so try to refrain from the immature name calling. Ok?
The two parties won't get anything done! I think it will be funny to watch them fight with themselves and end up giving the conservatives a majority government next election, maybe even the greens some seats too! Oh well the conservatives weren't being to bright either so who knows what will happen, but it wont be good for the liberals they keep losing more and more seats is like there digging themselves a grave. I guess well see.
Who do you find creepier? Duceppe or Harper? Harper and his cabinet. Duceppe reminds me of the cop in the Terminator movies. Harper is just evil. The comments made by his cabinet he covers for are antihuman. For example the "death by a thousand slices of meat" remark when Canadians were poisoned by Maple Leaf Foods. People like you and me. Just wanted some cold cuts for a sandwich.
I think it was a Dion issue, he did not have the charisma to carry the day. And in spite of this Harper did not get his marjority. This brutal miscalculation he has made should cost him his job, let party find a leader that knows how to work with others.
Pt2. The businesses will NOT be able to keep running under this fashion and still no offer of a bail-out for them. Foreclosures are imminent. Only then will be realized that Harper was attempting the right thing. Now it will be too late. The Coalition will knock them clean out leaving this Country in an unrecoverable state of ruin for those major businesses.
Since Sucka is the president of Assumption, I shall now attempt to show you what Assumption looks like:
Assuming that the Coalition wins, it is simply anger based on the known fact that money will not be usable by Business Sector, is proof that is why they are insurrection against the PC, take them down. The next step is to now take control of the ONE party of the Coalition to respond with a High Budget to take money from Business and over tax them, the results is massive job loss. pt1-cont...
Sucka, do not assume it is the sole responsibility of Harper that caused the job loss. It is a coincidence at best just like the last recession when the Libs were in power. Whether you have noticed or not, it is a GLOBAL recession right now. Are you pointing a finger directly at Harper for ALL of THAT?? Come on. Again you are assuming! The Eastern provinces WOULD be a lot worse disposition if the money transfers were NOT made to them.
The recession may not have been harpers fault but the house budget officer did say the conservatives failed to plan for a recession and intact did the opposite. When harper says his government was planning for the recession, thats an outright lie.
going into a panic & throwing money around heedlessly is stupid..look at all the money thats been thrown around in the states, geez didn't that work out great *snicker*..cool heads & a thoughtful budget is needed where it will help all ppl of canada & not just the chosen few...the only supporters of the coalitions is the union..doesn't that make you feel confidant..
Part of the Stimulus package that is skipped over by you and the likes of the assuming people is to not use companies and take money from them as the Libs and Quebec has done, and I think the NDP has done as well. For fairness Harper's budget was to put a stop to that. THAT IS in YOUR best interest as well as it should be. Harper has not taken Jobs as you assume he has. Provinces and the parties that ride in them are of that Sole responsibility.
Sucka, how is all this a form of Democracy? The Coalition is an over-ride of what already took place! In Democracy WE voted for our politicians that are in place as it was current up to a week ago. You do NOT have the facts and your comprehension of it is as warped as anyone who tries to interpret a bible! One major fact you are missing is the New PC don't not use the company sector to obtain money for its party. In the budget, Harper is stopping that money from Corporations to be used that way.
Twelvebells;sorry you missed the point direct PR democracy respects the wish of the people at election time. Backroom deal coalition govts after elections never work. Let the elected rep. vote up or down on legislation let the votes stand as to what wins or loses.
Harper is too strong & single minded not much different from the dictators of under-developed countries. He first tried to cut the life line of other parties and then he closed the parliament to stop democracy. The only thing that makes this country different from non-democratic countries is the support of government for other parties even if they are in opposition. The two bucks for a vote is to ensure democracy. Governments have used the excuse of war or economics to establish dictatorships
Alright I think the biggest solution to this is if we can all agree to disagree. Nothing will get done in Parliament until there is a majority of some kind, and eventually, one way or another, there will be.
Pace this is not treacherous at all. This is how Canadian politics worse-the Conservatives themselves have tried this coalition twice in a four year peiod! The Conservatives will not get a majority in January, in fact, we probably won't even have an election in January. Harper's Government will probably not survive a non confidence vote. The Liberals and NDP are far from extinct, just wait until May, the Liberals will make a huge comeback and then we will see who is extinct.
Stimuluintrigue, I think it is you who needs to get your facts straight. The job losses in Ontario are Harper's fault. Although maybe not directly. His own finance minister told the world not to invest in Ontario. He also has done nothjing to help the Auto Sector and now Ontario is a have not province. And another thing, what makes you any more aware about the proposal than me?Unless you are a Conservative big wig, the only access to information on the crisis you have is the "vague media".
Pace69ca, all I have to say is that when someone calls me a traitor for loving my country and wanting a truly democratic government, I take grave offense. You should be ashamed. In Canada, we vote for the proportions of Parliament, and then it is Parliament who decides to place in the role of Prime Minister. This is entirely democratic, it is entirely Canadian. If you think its treason, you might want to wake up.
Sucka, I think you should take another look at the proposed budget. You are sadly misunderstanding what is in the proposal. Those jobs were NOT lost due to Harper at all! We also did not lose any jobs due to him either! That is your assumption, is not based on fact. News media's vague reports has you very much under a false cloud. Here in Alberta, we have our own money to create our economy. Yet we still pay a lot of money to in money transfers to Quebec/Ontario. Please find your facts first!!
To all the lefty coailition traitors, how are you going to take it when Canada comes back and elects a HUGE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY in January? Thanks for giving us exactly what we wanted. Go read the polls, libs and ndp are extinct!!
mismit2 the Liberals are a Centrist Party, not a leftist Party, and the NDP are Democratic Socialists not Communists. That is not a fair accusation. That is like me saying that Harper has hard-right policies, therefore he must be a fascist. Maybe before people make accusations and statements they should listen to the whole story first. (Which is what I have benn doing since Thursday-I think I am a news/politics addict!)
Stimulusintrigue, WHAT PEOPLE did Harper's policies and actions help. 71,000 jobs have been lost in November alone and 61,000 of those are in Ontario. Ontario is also now a have not province thanks to Harper and Flaherty. Even Alberta has suffered- Unemployment in that province over the past year has jumped 50%. And actually, he did break the law to call an election so not all of his actions have been legal. Harper is following Bush's hard right economic policies, look where that got the States.
I love how the LIBERAL ELITISTS, talk to the Canadian people like they are stupid children.
The video says these parties have a lot in common, no guff. Study how Communism starts historically, the merging of the parties on the Left is KEY in all cases.
After that, they will never give up power, people who don't agree with Far left policies will be sat down with dunce caps on in the corner and preached to until they say
You're afraid Canada might "go Communist" - with the US military sitting next door, let alone the politics of our own senior military figures - & here you are spending your time expressing your fears and trying to forestall it before it happens?
Mismit2 if that is true I am far beyond disagreeing with you but rather feel a deep abiding empathy for the struggle that it must be every day for you to figure out how to gather together 3 meals & just generally keep going.
Anyone who compares Canada's situation to 1930's Germany's ios being a little overdramatic. The circumstances are not the same. I am extremely knowledgable of History and I know there are some similarities but it is not the same situation. I support the Coalition because of what Harper proposed. I don't like it when party's threaten to destroy democracy. I don't care who did it, if the Liberals proposed what Harper proposed, I would be dead set against it.Coalition seems to stand for freedom.
And by the way, your bprofile says you are from the States. If that is true, why don't you butt out of Canadian politics and worry about your own. We'll worry about our own affairs thanks!
And LOTS OF PEOPLE CARE about the fact that 41% of eligible voters didn't vote. And I don't exactly see why you think I am delusional and illogical. Why don't you explain how I am these things you accuse me of being? Harper is a crook and has broken the law a few times and now is suspending Parliament to save his own job. That is fact. Not illogic.
cicero707 if you didn't vote for Harper obviously you don't support him. My point is that 62% of Canadians who did vote DID NOT vote for Harper. This is a representation of the feelings many Candians have towards the Conservatives-THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK!!! Trust me, you think the coalition won't last a week, how long do you think Haper will last after Parliament resumes.
And fragan01,Canadians DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES!Only 59% of eligible voters voted and about 62% of those voted against Harper.This is a ground breaking moment in our history.The Coalition is happening to defend democracy! Harper tried to not only bankrupt and cripple ALL Opposition,but he also tried to suspend the right of civil servants to strike-which I am pretty sure is an infringement of the Charter of Rights,and he also tried to eliminate equity pay!Fianlly the bully is going down!
sucka, you are as dumb and illogical as you are delusional. Only 59% of the ppl voted... so who cares about the people that didn't vote? 62% of the people did not vote against Harper. The ballot didn't say "harper", "against harper". I don't expect you understand how flawed your logic is so I am just spelling it out for every one else.
And let the coalition go... it was a failure. Nobody wants Dion, even his own MPs. They can't even last a week and you want them to run the country?
I love this video!!!! You are a genius! The Conservatives are billing this as undemocratic-even though Stockwell Day tried this in 2000 and Harper himself in 2004.Also, it is written in the Constitution that this is completely legal. I don't know how people can still vote for Harper-he is shutting down Parliament for six weeks just to defend his job! I am a Liberal Party member and I don't like the idea of Dion as PM- but it would only be until May and then there would be a new leader!ByeHarper!
Can't believe people voted for Harper and his gang of thugs.He is a divisive force in Canada.We don't need American style one man rule.Coalition is democracy.
Coalition govts bad and not elected by public-beware!
On 30 January 1933 Adolf Hitler appointed chancellor of a coalition government of the NSDAP-DNVP-Centre Party. The SA and SS led torchlight parades throughout Berlin. In the coalition government three members of the cabinet were Nazis: Hitler, Wilhelm Frick (Minister of the Interior) and Hermann Göring (Minister Without Portfolio).
With Germans who opposed Nazism failing to unite against it, Hitler moved to consolidate absolute power.
Coalition sucks. WTF? How can they force this idea? Seriously, we as Canadians voted for the Conservatives. Although minority, it is the JUSTLY RIGHT that they have won. Yes, the House gets to vote whichever takes in be in power but THE PEOPLE MUST STAND UP AGAINST THIS NONSENSE!
WE VOTED CONSERVATIVES. THEY HAD WON JUSTLY. LIBERALS LOST! WTF!
justly right lol read the BNA act and constitution lol. this is our parlimentary democracy. they can form a coalition, end of story. You must be pissed conservative eh?
Yes, they can make a coalition. I'm not saying they can't. My point is, even though Conservatives is voted as a minority, it doesn't mean that their opposition disrespect them like that. JUST BECAUSE THEY LOST, they are crying like a baby by making this forceful act of coalition. Truly, if you look at the statistics, often only those that want Coalition is for the EAST which is much more populated leaving US, THE WEST, unguided again! WTF!
I from the west and i want a coalition. happers economic update was regressive and destructive. it was anti-labour, anti-women rights and big F@#k you the position parties. This when his government was in a position of weakness. he needed to be at least a little bit conciliatory. he was not. a coalition government is a very reasonable solution to the situation at had.
What evidence do you have that Harper literally want an "anti-labour" and "anti-women rights" country? Tell me you just didn't made an assumption commenting that point.
Anybody that rated this video more than a 1 has some issues with logic. I mean are you guys stupid? 62% of people did not vote against Harper. You are all illogical fools.
I think there should be an organization called Canadian Coalition against the Coalition.
you sound like a fukin retard when you put it like that, it was a minority government which means that 62% did vote against harper. lol go Bob Rae, he is a liberal you should be happy haha ur comment must have been a joke, please tell me it was.
fuktyranny, If you think 62% voting against harper than you are just another illogical fool. You should be counting votes from Canaidan idol as well since they are votes too.
I am saying GO BOB Rae because if he becomes leader of liberals, liberals will never win. Ontario will not allow it. This coupled with the bastardized coalition will ensure that that there will be a majority but not a liberal majority.
Conclusion: the canadian system is not very good and democratic, since it allows a minority to govern. And what? the prime minister can stay in power if the GG says she is ok? I remind you that the GG is representing the Queen and isn't representing any canadian, she isn't a democratic institution at all.
Aren't liberals and NDP the parties that support same sex marriage. What you do in the comfort of your own home, I don't really care but what matters is that you don't even know what the hell you are supporting. That you have blind faith even though Dion's MPs don't support him... that you believe that Dion and then Iggy should be PM without the consent of the Canadian people. All I have to say is Go Bob Rae!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. I think we have just become the pre-Obama United States. Harper is pulling some very undemocratic shit and he has neocon supporters as stupid and the redest necks you'll find anywhere in the deep south. And they are all here on youtube! yikes
Sorry ameneses, you didn't get your way.... wahh wahh
The coalition is now irrelevant. They can't even be united for 1 week. liberal MPs have stated publicly that they want Dion out! And you want him to run the country?
Harper is going to get a majority next time around bc of this bastardized coalition and the opposition parties only have themselves to blame. May be we will have a stabilized government then.
If liberals select Rae that will help as well. Ontarians have long memory.....
Im sorry that the coalition did not materialized. But im still happy..you know why?....BECAUSE MY HEAD IS NOT STUCK UP HARPERS FILTY ASS! THATS WHY!! Celebrate what you want you CUNTservatives is like Harper..PUSSY..afraid of the Parliamentary mandate!!
Once again ameneses, wah wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhhh.
you are the one that is EMO like a school girl. Answer me this, you think Dion is competent when he can't even get a tape to networks on time? That the quality is worst than taliban videos? His own MPs are saying he is incompetent and yet you hold on and on like it was the titanic sinking.
Since both of you like to be inside Harpers TIGHT ASS, I suggets that the two of you have a ASS BANGING party for the defeat of the Coaltion. You can invite Harper for a threesome...Harper can be the PUSSY...like he showed the world yesterday. You can use the Parliament Bldg bec. its empty now thanks to Harper.Pls video the ass banging for us to enjoy You LUBE...I mean Tube!!
Well said but not sold! I am Consevative who does not support Harper. Harper speaks for the social elite and likes the ordinary Canadians like me ride his coat tail. Well I done. Time to get rid of him and bring in Ralf Kein, a man of the people for the people.
You can slam liberals all you want but you know Liberals made this country worked in the past way better than Conservatives. Unlike Harper, he thinks he's beyond everyone. This is not Democracy, it's hypocrisy.
So, you're still living in the past but not looking towards the future eh? Well, all I will say is that Chretien did 100 times better than this dictator we have called Harper.
You know what. Let Harper do what he wants. Let him go along with his conservative agenda. When all of you loses your jobs, savings, and house. Please but oh please don't come out and cry wolf then because it will be too late.
flawed on so many levels.Love to debate this bullshit.
bilzy2020 8 months ago
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felixxtcat 10 months ago
what do we mean by "progressive"?
sphagnum2000 10 months ago
Is it only me....or does that happy face on the sheet look like a KKK member?
Scary how these people think...isn't it?
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener
That happy face is fully a KKK member.
ExistentialPilot 1 year ago
@nonpartpundit
If you're waiting for the NDP to be "influential" with a Liberal minority government, note that in the past 40 years, there have been exactly two Liberal minorities. The NDP "squeezed" no child care program out of Paul Martin. In the three years he was PM, no such program ever materialized; only a hypothetical promise to do so if Martin was re-elected. As for the Tories being afraid to spend, they are the highest-spending government in Canadian history.
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
@nonpartpundit
Um yeah. For the record, Pearson hasn't been PM in 42 years and Trudeau hasn't been PM in 26 years. That Liberal Party is dead, my friend, and left-leaning voters deny this fact at their own peril. If you want left, go NDP; if you want right, go Tory.
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
I love how you lump in the Liberals with "parties with progressive platforms." Do combat missions led by Americans, corporate tax cuts, anti-scab policies, covert support for the Iraq war, a loss on your own vote on overseas abortions, failure for 13 years to institute national daycare and pharmacare, and full support for Harper's right-wing anti-crime legislation qualify as "progressive"? The NDP and Bloc, yes, but the Liberals? Come on. You're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
you ignorant turds, read more and dont assume that because they have a coalition that democracy doesn't exist... Look also at the effects of the harper administration on Canada then make an objective statement. rediculous
MrJoshtilley 2 years ago
Good job, it worked without having to take power and force an election we can't afford. Harper ran scared & finally realized that something was going on with the economy....I've a funny feeling that though he may call himself an economist, chances are he barely passed his university classes. Just remember, someone always finishes last in each class but they still earn the right to say they are educated. I voted for him and I'll admit we have the wrong man in power now.
alastair36 2 years ago
FAIL lol
Turnedleaf 2 years ago
that coalition is garbage!!
we voted, we chose who would lead our country, and now others want to challenge it?
good bye democracy??
GO TO HELL LIBERALS/NDP
Learnthebush 3 years ago
Yeah, this coalition is dead, and all those who label themselves "progressive" in support of the coalition are just deluding themselves.
It was a power grab by people who lost the last federal election, and the simple fact is that the majority of Canadians outside of Quebec and Newfoundland DO NOT WANT A COALITION.
The GG doesn't make these decisions in a vaccum...
PhilipJFry72 3 years ago
Haha good bye coalition.
Don't you all look stupid now.
cicero747 3 years ago
I don't know what is going to happen. I think the NDP is taking too much of an extreme by just declaring that they will vote the budget down, regardless of what happens. I agree with the Grits for their stance-read the budget first and ten decide if it will benefit the country. I think Harper is scary and he has broken almost all of his election promises, and I would really like to see him out-but I don't think just deciding to vote him just because, is a good idea.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
what are you talking about realityalarmcheck? I took about 2 minutes to respond to you. Nobody needs to think hard to put you in your place because you have no point. The only reason why people are hurting is because they are banging their head against the table in disbelieve that such a delusional person like yourself actually exists.
How is the majority opposed to the conservatives? Can't you say more of a majority is against the liberals because they have less votes? You have no logic.
cicero747 3 years ago
Realityalarmclock, being as partisan as you are of course you think conservative policies are bad. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and political views. But one thing is universally unacceptable and that is CORRUPTION.
I only have to say two words to show how blind, ignorant and delusional you are to have unconditional love for the liberals -> SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL.
Who championed the Accountability Act? Yes, it's Harper.
Check and mate.
cicero747 3 years ago
This coalition is all about The NDP & Liberals getting together & acting like spoiled brats throwning a temper tantrum because they didn't win the election.
cne08 3 years ago
no kids, why can't a discussion take place without insults.... your points should be able to stand on their own without insulting each other... that goes for everyone. A a proud Canadian I expect and hope for better decorum and more mutual respect. Lets hear the arguemnts, keep the character attacks out.
wannabepositive 3 years ago
Hey, realityalarmclock. You really do need to get a life. Don't waste my time with things you THINK you understand. I can clearly see you don't know what the Coalition is for, nor why they formed, nor why they are running against anything for that matter. There is nothing united here. You think you understand the rat race, but you are clearly clueless. You have no life experience. You are just following a think-tank that has nothing to do with you nor your comprehension of it.
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
I have a video up asking about what will happen on the 26th ... comment to share your thought s. the 2nd one is better
meloshwaxo 3 years ago
never
sweetie4pie 3 years ago
maybe...all running for election run as independant with open votes in parliament...take away party agendas and let members vote their constituency...
DonDahab 3 years ago
What values espoused the sponsorship scandal and the unconstitutional dealings of people's EI? These are facts as they have been independently decided on by Gomery and the supreme court. Not you or me.
You cannot claim that the majority of canadians are left wing when liberal is claiming itself to be towards the center and swing both ways. What you have stated are your interpretations based on how you would delusional like to think of things. NOT facts.
cicero747 3 years ago
ameneses, I don't care about what you think because we could just go back and forth on partisan views. The findings of Supreme court of Canada and the Gomery Commission are not stuff that I made up. The fact that given the choices of 4 parties. Most people voted for the conservatives is not something I made up. I mean you can twist it all you want... how you can add up votes but the point is no one voted for lib-ndp-bloc. These are facts and they are undeniable.
cicero747 3 years ago
Tragedy, thats what the GG created when he gave Harper the prorogue. Last week The Globe and Mail found that the Conservatives where the culprit in bringing bad decision about the housing market. They exposed Canadians to sub prime mortgages. Today Harperis reversing his economic output..3 weeks ago it was rosy and now its worst?? Harper you are fool of BS.
Coalition Govt is better than this mistake ridden, impotent Conservatives!!!
ameneses52 3 years ago
I believe that puntsok4 is all messed up...Brian mulronney was a very hated P.M. and left the country in chaos..he did raise a lot of taxes and spent the money with his wife,and after his government was wiped out of office it took a long time to recover...I have always wondered why canadians forgot that and elected another conservative P.M...poor memory I guess...Mulroney+Harper+Bush=Dogs from the same pack..:(
pookams 3 years ago
yeah they overtaxed us, diverted funds fron the EI, there's your surplus!..geez any govt can have a surplus if they overtax the ppl moron
Puntsok4 3 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? They -all- lost votes. Cons about 167 000. Libs about 846 000. Bloc about 170 000. NDP about 74 000. What's your point? You expected the amount of votes all parties received to go UP when we experienced a record low voter turnout?
reckchord 3 years ago
I know, I know.
I was attempting to be politically correct. I thought "kill" was too strong a word.
Gee whiz, can't be politically correct, can't be politically incorrect. What more do you want from me?
reckchord 3 years ago
Only 38% voted Conservative. Every other party now supports the Coalition-that's a helluva a lot more than 34%.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
they can call for another election ,so sorry but the coalition will be nothing but a bad memory for canadians. Better to spend 300 million then have these thieves waste our tax $ & put us in such debt that our future great grandchildren will be paying for it
Puntsok4 3 years ago
I know. And the only reason the Conservative party gained seats is because they gained support, taking away from the Liberals.
reckchord 3 years ago
You know what, you've converted me.
I'm all for a coalition! We'd accomplish two birds with one stone - we'd get rid of the dead weight Quebec (separate already!) and the Liberal party would be trashed for the next decade. We'd sacrifice our economy to those who wanted to chuck $30 billion into the dying auto industry, but hey, we're going to hell in a handbasket with the rest of the world anyway.
Vive la coalition!
reckchord 3 years ago
I say if this coaltion does actually have a chance of trying to topple our PM in the new year we have another election..better spending 300 million with the CONS winning a majority then the coaltion wasting/stealing the tax payers blind..LIBS scandal adscam/sponsorship/gun registry debacle/EI fund diversion & illegal taxation of it etc etc..wake up ppl & realize theyhave robbed usblind for years,their only interest have been for themselves or self interest sectors
Puntsok4 3 years ago
Ironic how Iggy is the leader of the FIBeral party as he shares so much of the same ideology as Bush, the Fibs have always accused Harper of being like Bush but now you have a replica of him sitting in our parliament,all heil to the new american who is a Canadian party leader...P.E.Trudeau would be rolling over in his grave to see this day
Puntsok4 3 years ago
sucka you've either been brainwashed or are a lib party member, otherwise no objective person would actually believe your theory of bcs Harper didn't get majority vote the other 3 with their combined have the moral right to take away the ppls vote.I have friends who either voted libs or green & they were upset as they had voted for them individually & for their seperate platform which the 3stooges eagerly changed once they became a coaltion.The only thing transparent was their lust 4 power
Puntsok4 3 years ago
So it's "mindless" & "an attack" now because u ppl have no logic? Just because I am pointing out the stupidity of your logic does not make me against anything except for stupid ppl. I think Iggy might be a good PM if he gets elected. Keyword being elected.
Every party has different platforms and just because someone's platform does not fit your ideals it doesn't mean you throw out election results. Such a simple concept you will never get because you have no sense of the meaning of democracy.
cicero747 3 years ago
Cicero Ignatieff has been the new leader of the Liberal party for a few days now. You need to recalibrate your mindless attack ads.
Stephen Harper caused the Coalition to form because of his partisan attacks against opposition funding, his desire to remove civil workers right to strike until 2011 and his move to remove womans right to salary equity benefits. All these moves have been attempted by the conservatives under the guise of "tightening the belt", they only amount to partisan games.
keklolgloat 3 years ago
And I am not a right wing extremist because I have said time and time again that if the liberals won the last election with Dion, good for him, he is my PM.. and I would have hoped for all of our sake that he does well because he would represent us and make decisions that affect us.
You are the uncritical lemming the follows liberals to the gates of hell no matter what wrong they have done. You like to ignore facts and logic and accuse others of twisting the truth with no bases.
cicero747 3 years ago
How am I twisting anything? You are the one that says 62% voted against Harper. That is a twist in statistics. You can also say 80% voted against the liberals.
In the last election, the choices on the ballot were NDP, bloc liberals and conservatives. The choices were not Conservatives vs. against conservatives. You can only claim 62% against the conservatives if that was an option on the ballot. Don't know how much more simple to explain to you.
You get it idiot?
cicero747 3 years ago
And I am tired of talking to a right wing extremist who twists everything to make Harper look good. Please stop talking to me.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
cicero-the majority of people voted against harper's policies. He is the only one wityh right wing policies. Sixty Two percent of Canadians don't want a right wing government. Most of those people support the Coalition. This is a representation of the majority of people. And you call me stupid?
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Harper is the only one who doesn't support Global Carbon Tax. The rest of them want it. Keep Harper in!
ammmonkey 3 years ago
sucka, i can't help it, you are stupid. I am not going to explain it again because I am wasting my time, if you can't see that there was not one vote for the coalition. If you want to combine votes, you should take some from american idol as well. I feel dumb talking to you.
cicero747 3 years ago
Wake up. Harper is finished. Unless he somehow he completely changes his policies, Harper will be defeated. Call it undemocratic if you want, but the Conservatives have tried this twice. This is parliamentary democracy at its finest. This is a message that the majority of people don't want Harper. How is that undemocratic?
sucka23454321 3 years ago
cicero-none of the parties are right wing-aside from the conservatives. If you don't vote for Harper-you don't support him. I don't really see what logic I am not getting! What you don't get is that the Coalition is representing the 62% of the people who voted to get Harper out of office. Why can't you get THAT logic.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
*Gomery* cf sponsorship scandal
cicero747 3 years ago
Libs just don't believe in democracy. even libs have voiced their distaste about how Iggy got crowned. I am not saying this, your party is saying this. And i have already given an example where the supreme court has said liberals were unconstitutional. I didn't say this, the supreme court said it. and the comery report said the libs had a sense of entitlement. Again I am not making this up. I mean if you choose to have your head in the sand and be illiterate, I can't help you.
cicero747 3 years ago 2
And why don't you get that 62% of the people did not vote against harper? That was not a ballot question. It's like saying 80% of the people voted against Dion. I am trying to not call you names but it's difficult if you can't even get simple logic like that.
cicero747 3 years ago
THIS IS NOT UNDEMOCRATIC!I am so tired of people saying it is! It is in the constitution that allows us to do this. HARPER TRIED IT HIMSELF!WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST GET THAT!!
sucka23454321 3 years ago
The Conservatives voted Harper in. Not the people. And 62 percent of the people voted against Harper. Regardless of what happens now, the governments won't be 100 percent stable. We will just have to wait and see what happens. I just feel that the Coalition would be a little bit more stable than a right wing minority government.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
"The Supreme Court has ruled that for three years, from 2002 to 2005, the federal government unconstitutionally collected employment insurance premiums." (CTV) Hmmm more evidence liberal issues? Where is the champion of the constitution now? So libs, you practice against the constitution and is undemocratic (with the Iggy crowning and the coalition)...and not to mention sponsorship scandal. How can any logical person blindly support these guys as being better alternatives? U are all idiots.
cicero747 3 years ago
The more I hear Iggy talk about our cowardly PM, the the more I see him as a viable predecessor to Justin.
demondelight 3 years ago
Regardless of what party you support, a coalition government right now and under these terms is not the answer. We live in a country where important issues are taken out of our hands and voted on by politicians. Yet, we have to live with the end result. How can anyone support a government that told us what we want doesn't matter as long as they have power? Do you really believe once they have power your voice will suddenly be heard? Libs & NDPs starving for your tax dollars. Nice.
kgurrlkool 3 years ago
And I am not necessarily in support of harper. I am just against the coalition. If Iggy would back away from the coalition and runs against harper and win he could be a good PM but just getting to be PM based on a coalition is undemocratic no matter how you slice it, call it parliamentary politics, whatever, the point is people did not get to check off the "coalition" in the last election. I would also be fine with the results if in the next election the coalition ran against harper and wins.
cicero747 3 years ago
*know*
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Actually cicero, as a liberal I would no how things work. The way Rae was proposing wouldn't let every liberal decide anyway. Delegates vote-NOT ALL PARTY MEMBERS! The point is NO ONE FORCED RAE TO QUIT!He is doing this for the party. Besides-ONTARIO WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED RAE TO EVER BE PRIME MINISTER! And I am a Lib-I AM NOT FORCING ANYTHING ON ANYONE! Harper has caused this whole coalition problem-NOT THE LIBS!And try to refrain from name calling.And you want undemocratic-look @Harper's update
sucka23454321 3 years ago
U didn't see the lib senators outraged at the process?U didn't see Rae saying that he did not get the process he wanted since only a handful of ppl will decide? Harper won a minority gov. Harper won the leadership against stronach & clement in a convention. These are choices by ppl where alternatives are available. Iggy was crowned as the leader... like dion who wanted to be PM without people actually voting for him to be PM. pretty clear cut on who talks about democracy and who practices it.
cicero747 3 years ago
a coalition would be helpful in almost any situation, For the magority! come on people, for fcuk sakes, why dont you get5 up off your asses and help produce a representative gov. regardless of the % of votes as seen here some partys can have no say whatsoever, because they have no seats. but it is nice to see some people have stepped up so far though.
alphagett 3 years ago
MUCH less voted for the other parties
johnowenD 3 years ago
Looks like Ignatieff will be the Liberal leader.The best one of the choices.
Hes not totally for this Muppet coalition thing with the Commies(NDP)and the Separatists. One Liberal thats behind Ignatieff as leader said last night on CBC that "they just dont trust the NDP" I guess the Liberal party isnt totally void of wisdom and common sense.Another said that this Coalition is starting to look less like a Conservative over throw and more like a Far Left take over of the Liberal Party.
Lut41 3 years ago
For me ,as much as I dont like the Libs, I dislike Layten and his NDP even more.
The thought of the NDP getting hold of any real power in this Nation would be the scarest thing yet.
Lut41 3 years ago
Lut41, Iggy's signed a piece of paper with his name on it that he wants the coalition so he is not holier than thou. Libs are all the same. They say they believe in democracy but they don't. Read my previous post to the sucka liberal party member.
cicero747 3 years ago
Cicero the Liberfal Party is defending democracy from Harper. Yes this process may have been undemocratic but Rae would have lost anyway! Ontario wouldn't allow him to be in. And nobody forced Rae to quit! And don't tell me you know more than I do! I AM A LIBERAL PARTY MEMBER!
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Sucka 23454321, is that your sucker reg# w/ the libs? U listen to the rhetoric but is too dumb to process it. Let me help u. Iggy is winning by acclamation bc Libs don't believe in democracy. If u watch Rae's int u will see that he feels he got pushed out. You have 87 ppl deciding for 60K members (yes deciding for u). Rae wanted to ask the 60K. This is the same type of crap libs tried to force on us w/ the coalition. libs fool u once shame on them. libs fool you again, well you are just a MORON.
cicero747 3 years ago
This "economic" crisis is such BS. Gas is 725 and bank just dropped interest rates so i am actually going to pay my debt for mortgage instead of interests. Why do we love US so much that we want to have a self fulfilling prophecy to have our economy crash like them. Just bc Jack Layton wants power (he is great by the way for his supporters) it doesn't mean that we should oust a government that is keeping us in the black. No to the coalition! have lib v con legitimately in the next election.
cicero747 3 years ago 2
So Iggy is going to win by acclamation just like Dion wanted to be PM without anybody actually voting for him. Does the liberal party believe in democracy?
cicero747 3 years ago 2
Gj louismcleod, tell your friends as it seems most of this misinformation that is spewing on every coalition video comment board is from the west i.e. alberta.
No offense to westerners as a whole but you guys are hypnotized by harpers propaganda.
WAKE THE FUCK UP.
YOU ARE WHAT THE AMERICAN SOUTH WAS TO BUSH AND EVERYONE WILL MAKE FUN OF YOUR SHITTY PROVINCE FOR YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DUMB CRAP YOU HAVE SAID ON CAMERA, ON RADIO AND ON BLOGS.
NO ONE IS FOOLED BY YOUR LIES.
keklolgloat 3 years ago
I am fully awake and consider my choices carefully.
I am aware of the slants to each side, and the views of those who are stuck in the "middle".
But with it all said and done, laid out and presented, I come to a conclusion differing from your point of view.
Does this make me an idiot by default?
Let me assure you that a supporter of Mr. Harper or the Conservative party does not have to be qualified by low IQ or a secret agenda to manipulate the minds of others.
Take care.
Nehemius 3 years ago
THIS IS NOT AMERICA canadienhab your name should mean you know that. This is a parliamentary democracy we have in Canada AND YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM. I REPEAT YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM, YOU VOTE FOR A POLITICAL PARTY.
Political parties can form coalitions and is constitutional and have been show to be productive for the country.
Your ignorance is palpable canadienhab.
keklolgloat 3 years ago
170,000 fewer people voted for the conservatives !!!! omfg what...ohg wait.
846,230 fewer people voted for the LIBERALS! and they should be leading ?!?!?
ONLY 37 % of popular vote WHAT!.. but wait thats more then an other party ?
62% voted against the conservatives! WOW but on the ballot box i voted FOR somebody? and 90% of people voted agianst the block
as for the greens maybe they should run in a country that has an electoral system which benifits them.
canadienhab 3 years ago 2
stop with your fiberal rhetorics, main issue isthe fact ppl did not vote for them as a coalition but INDIVIDUALLY, you can keep spewing your BS but no one but the mentally challenged actually believe this nonsense..DUMBASS
Puntsok4 3 years ago
Another moron with no logic.
cicero747 3 years ago
So the perfect leader to lead our country a week ago was Dion but now it's not? You ppl that STILL support to coalition are just stupid bc it's not a sensible alternative. I don't even know what the alternative is right now? Liberals? Liberal-NDP-Bloc? Liberal-NDP? Please get you ducks in roll first...or we will have Harper forever.... all the alternative/the bastardized coalition has shown is that they want power, at all cost, even against democracy but they have no organization or plan.
cicero747 3 years ago
Liberals you need to unite behind Bob Rae!
cicero747 3 years ago
yeah he did such a great job in Ontario b4..that was sarcasm btw
Puntsok4 3 years ago
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what are you doing? Ontarians have long forgotten *cough cough* Bob Rae is the best chance for the liberals!!!!!! Go Bobbbbbbb!!!!!!!!
cicero747 3 years ago
lol so true.."Super BOOB" will save the day for the fiberals
Puntsok4 3 years ago
the 3 stooges of parliament hill..what noble characters lmao..layton would sell his own mother to get power, Dion is weak & liberals are notorious for wasting/stealing tax $ & is about to get thrown out of his own party, Duseppe is just out for Quebec...yeah what a bunch of winners to lead Canada, they couldn't lead a dog around for god sakes...the only ones supporting them are the ones looking for hand outs ie UNION MEMBERS...all about self interest & not the majority of the ppl in Canada
Puntsok4 3 years ago
62.37% Conservatives
73.75% Liberals
81.8% NDP
90.03% BLOC
93.2% Green
Nehemius 3 years ago
346117: let's see. He has governed and passed legislation for the whole time he was in govt by being supported by the bloc and "socialists" etc but when someone else will govern supported by the bloc he calls them separatists. He has muzzled his MPs, by not allowing them to talk to the press without his veto or ok. He has shut down public access to govt documents (freedom of information) by shutting down webaccess. He has called artists "elitists" (when we are mostly broke and working 2 jobs)...
artistcolor 3 years ago
Seeing the reaction of the majority of Canadians and their lack of knowledge of parliamentary democracy this last week shows me presenting information to them as you would children should not be that far off.
QFT
keklolgloat 3 years ago
Did anyone else notice how this video is presented in a way you would present information to children? Irritating.
Dragoontheguy 3 years ago
Seeing the reaction of the majority of Canadians and their lack of knowledge of parliamentary democracy this last week shows me presenting information to them as you would children should not be that far off.
emulateit 3 years ago 3
The Bloc will do nothing, but take advantage of the Coalition situation. Anyone who understands how THEIR government is managed showed know this. All I can say is wait and watch as it all unravels to prove my point.
StarmanTimbo 3 years ago
"BTW Parliamentary rules are no substitute for the will of the people.'
Are you crazy, People in 308 ridings voted in the last election. The conservatives won 143. That's not a majority. Canadians in 165 ridings voted against the Conservatives.
Its clear the Conservatives did not get a mandate to do as they wish. They have an obligation to work with the other parties. The first chance they got to do this, they choose confrontation rather than cooperation.
Harper has to go.
TheOneCanadian 3 years ago
UDASHEARER---do you have a life, or do you wast your time on youtube spreading hardcore conservative views...
goliveonline 3 years ago
look how scared the west is look at the comments and their ip address
goliveonline 3 years ago
Dion said no chance of a coalition govt. during the election.
Layton (of the hidden agenda) is the slimiest of all.
When will egos be put aside so that these parties can unite the left and WIN an election on the same platform ?
(an important step in forming govt.)
This is what the right did. Let's fight over the center again. (where good policy is made)
Concerned Canadian Centrist
BTW Parliamentary rules are no substitute for the will of the people.
Mathesonguy 3 years ago
your video is bs because Liberials who have formed a govt have never had more then 50 percent of the votes did you guys know that?
and not to mention how biased your video is
liberials ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE, HAD THE LOWESTS VOTE COUNT FOR THERE PARTY EVER!
THat says enough abotu our confidence in his party still
67 percent of canadians on a latests poll sugguests that canadians do not agree with the coalition
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
LMAO, THATS THE BEST JOKE EVER MAN nice
you must be Newfy
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
How many coalition Separatists does it take to screw in a light bulb? Three, Two standing around looking stupid, while one sticks his finger in the socket hoping for power.
guitarjunkie7 3 years ago
Polls show that 64 percent of canadians do not support this coalition gov.
while 36 percent of canadians support this coalition gov.
Facts do hurt dont they?
So Canadians want this so called Coalition government?
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
Mr. Dion is the right man at the right time. Jack or him can lead the coalition together or apart. 2/3s of Canadians voted Liberal, NDP, Bloc or Green (nearly a million votes for Green but no seats in Parliament). Proportional representation is the catchphrase here my friend.
demondelight 3 years ago
so what do you suppose needs to be done
i think we need to reinvent our policies to get the most out of our companies resources
There definitely needs to be new blood because this old ideolgy is just wasting you and myn tax payers money
What do you guys think we need to do about our countrys economy?
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
i really dont think you can blame anyone for this recession
Its apparent all over the world that this is happening to every country
All we can do is play our cards smart
Make simple but affective finanical decisions
We cannot throw money into a pot and hope things some how blindly get better with our big 3 like the left wing wants
and we cannot throw less money into the pot because its apprent that wont make any sense as well
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
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the 3 stooges of parliament hill..what noble characters lmao..layton would sell his own mother to get power, Dion is weak & liberals are notorious for wasting/stealing tax $ & is about to get thrown out of his own party, Duseppe is just out for Quebec...yeah what a bunch of winners to lead Canada, they couldn't lead a dog around for god sakes...the only ones supporting them are the ones looking for hand outs ie UNION MEMBERS...all about self interest & not the majority of the ppl in Canada
Puntsok4 3 years ago
Adscam & the debacle of gun registry come to mind, how much did that cost the tax payers again bcs of the fiberals!..bring on an election & we'll wipe the floor with the coalition of rejected losers!
Puntsok4 3 years ago
what about the elephant airport during (I believe it was)Rae's time another fiberal?? what a waste of tax payers money
Puntsok4 3 years ago
But in the meantime, seems like you have no viable arguments to raise against the prospect of a coalition government - that has the same guarantee of support from the Bloc that Stephen Harper argued for in a published article in the late 90s - & that the Alliance formally proposed in writing in 2004?
TwelveBells 3 years ago
And, by the way- about getting facts straight, the Liberals left us with a 13 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS. I wouldn't blame them for the recession. And actally, this whole Coalition thing IS Democratic. This is how Parliamentary Democracy works and if you son't believe me, ask the Governor General-they have all said this is completely democratic! This doesn't happen during majority governments. Only minorities, because the Coalition represents more people than the elected partty. Don't lecture me thx
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Stimulusintrigue, I have a question for you. What makes you hate liberals so much? And don't give that typical "socialists and elitists destroying the world" rhetoric. Why do you personally not like them? I am not kidding. I don't like the conservatives because I don't agree with right wing policies, and also because their fiscal update is just plain scary to me. Also, with the whole name calling business, I haven't called you anything once, so try to refrain from the immature name calling. Ok?
sucka23454321 3 years ago
The two parties won't get anything done! I think it will be funny to watch them fight with themselves and end up giving the conservatives a majority government next election, maybe even the greens some seats too! Oh well the conservatives weren't being to bright either so who knows what will happen, but it wont be good for the liberals they keep losing more and more seats is like there digging themselves a grave. I guess well see.
mlbthompson 3 years ago
Who do you find creepier? Duceppe or Harper? Harper and his cabinet. Duceppe reminds me of the cop in the Terminator movies. Harper is just evil. The comments made by his cabinet he covers for are antihuman. For example the "death by a thousand slices of meat" remark when Canadians were poisoned by Maple Leaf Foods. People like you and me. Just wanted some cold cuts for a sandwich.
demondelight 3 years ago
and its pretty apparent what the NDP and Liberials are trying to accomplish rightnow on capital hill
They are trying to devide the country
If thats not wrong i dont know what is then
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
My point is an actual fact So if she wants to bring facts to the voters attention im making sure she doesnt disclude any
I dont think my comment derserved a negative response
I think you are the ignorant one for turning the blind eye like she obviously has
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
Harper is manufacturing a political crisis to avoid confronting the economic crises....
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Its funny how she didnt mention that the Liberials had the lowests vote count ever!
Maybe that says enough about the confidence the Canadian people have about the Liberials?
UDASHEARER 3 years ago
your point only works on ignorant bastards...
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
I think it was a Dion issue, he did not have the charisma to carry the day. And in spite of this Harper did not get his marjority. This brutal miscalculation he has made should cost him his job, let party find a leader that knows how to work with others.
amsharper 3 years ago
Pt2. The businesses will NOT be able to keep running under this fashion and still no offer of a bail-out for them. Foreclosures are imminent. Only then will be realized that Harper was attempting the right thing. Now it will be too late. The Coalition will knock them clean out leaving this Country in an unrecoverable state of ruin for those major businesses.
That is how assumption looks.
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
BRAVO! Well done. SIMPLE. Well EXPLAINED!
carcultured 3 years ago
Since Sucka is the president of Assumption, I shall now attempt to show you what Assumption looks like:
Assuming that the Coalition wins, it is simply anger based on the known fact that money will not be usable by Business Sector, is proof that is why they are insurrection against the PC, take them down. The next step is to now take control of the ONE party of the Coalition to respond with a High Budget to take money from Business and over tax them, the results is massive job loss. pt1-cont...
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
Sucka, do not assume it is the sole responsibility of Harper that caused the job loss. It is a coincidence at best just like the last recession when the Libs were in power. Whether you have noticed or not, it is a GLOBAL recession right now. Are you pointing a finger directly at Harper for ALL of THAT?? Come on. Again you are assuming! The Eastern provinces WOULD be a lot worse disposition if the money transfers were NOT made to them.
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
The recession may not have been harpers fault but the house budget officer did say the conservatives failed to plan for a recession and intact did the opposite. When harper says his government was planning for the recession, thats an outright lie.
louismcleod 3 years ago
going into a panic & throwing money around heedlessly is stupid..look at all the money thats been thrown around in the states, geez didn't that work out great *snicker*..cool heads & a thoughtful budget is needed where it will help all ppl of canada & not just the chosen few...the only supporters of the coalitions is the union..doesn't that make you feel confidant..
Puntsok4 3 years ago
Part of the Stimulus package that is skipped over by you and the likes of the assuming people is to not use companies and take money from them as the Libs and Quebec has done, and I think the NDP has done as well. For fairness Harper's budget was to put a stop to that. THAT IS in YOUR best interest as well as it should be. Harper has not taken Jobs as you assume he has. Provinces and the parties that ride in them are of that Sole responsibility.
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
Sucka, how is all this a form of Democracy? The Coalition is an over-ride of what already took place! In Democracy WE voted for our politicians that are in place as it was current up to a week ago. You do NOT have the facts and your comprehension of it is as warped as anyone who tries to interpret a bible! One major fact you are missing is the New PC don't not use the company sector to obtain money for its party. In the budget, Harper is stopping that money from Corporations to be used that way.
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
kko75, wow... you people are so politically naive.
Coalition govts are NOT elected by people and are in danger of morphing into a totalitarian form of govt whether it's from the right or the left.
jibbi4one 3 years ago
Nobody voted for the Coalition, and a large number of people whould not vote for the same party now.
Smaclez 3 years ago
Twelvebells;sorry you missed the point direct PR democracy respects the wish of the people at election time. Backroom deal coalition govts after elections never work. Let the elected rep. vote up or down on legislation let the votes stand as to what wins or loses.
jibbi4one 3 years ago
Harper is too strong & single minded not much different from the dictators of under-developed countries. He first tried to cut the life line of other parties and then he closed the parliament to stop democracy. The only thing that makes this country different from non-democratic countries is the support of government for other parties even if they are in opposition. The two bucks for a vote is to ensure democracy. Governments have used the excuse of war or economics to establish dictatorships
DariusPars 3 years ago
Alright I think the biggest solution to this is if we can all agree to disagree. Nothing will get done in Parliament until there is a majority of some kind, and eventually, one way or another, there will be.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Pace this is not treacherous at all. This is how Canadian politics worse-the Conservatives themselves have tried this coalition twice in a four year peiod! The Conservatives will not get a majority in January, in fact, we probably won't even have an election in January. Harper's Government will probably not survive a non confidence vote. The Liberals and NDP are far from extinct, just wait until May, the Liberals will make a huge comeback and then we will see who is extinct.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Stimuluintrigue, I think it is you who needs to get your facts straight. The job losses in Ontario are Harper's fault. Although maybe not directly. His own finance minister told the world not to invest in Ontario. He also has done nothjing to help the Auto Sector and now Ontario is a have not province. And another thing, what makes you any more aware about the proposal than me?Unless you are a Conservative big wig, the only access to information on the crisis you have is the "vague media".
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Pace69ca, all I have to say is that when someone calls me a traitor for loving my country and wanting a truly democratic government, I take grave offense. You should be ashamed. In Canada, we vote for the proportions of Parliament, and then it is Parliament who decides to place in the role of Prime Minister. This is entirely democratic, it is entirely Canadian. If you think its treason, you might want to wake up.
Generalissimo1991 3 years ago
Sucka, I think you should take another look at the proposed budget. You are sadly misunderstanding what is in the proposal. Those jobs were NOT lost due to Harper at all! We also did not lose any jobs due to him either! That is your assumption, is not based on fact. News media's vague reports has you very much under a false cloud. Here in Alberta, we have our own money to create our economy. Yet we still pay a lot of money to in money transfers to Quebec/Ontario. Please find your facts first!!
StimulusIntrigue 3 years ago
To all the lefty coailition traitors, how are you going to take it when Canada comes back and elects a HUGE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY in January? Thanks for giving us exactly what we wanted. Go read the polls, libs and ndp are extinct!!
Pace69ca 3 years ago
mismit2 the Liberals are a Centrist Party, not a leftist Party, and the NDP are Democratic Socialists not Communists. That is not a fair accusation. That is like me saying that Harper has hard-right policies, therefore he must be a fascist. Maybe before people make accusations and statements they should listen to the whole story first. (Which is what I have benn doing since Thursday-I think I am a news/politics addict!)
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Stimulusintrigue, WHAT PEOPLE did Harper's policies and actions help. 71,000 jobs have been lost in November alone and 61,000 of those are in Ontario. Ontario is also now a have not province thanks to Harper and Flaherty. Even Alberta has suffered- Unemployment in that province over the past year has jumped 50%. And actually, he did break the law to call an election so not all of his actions have been legal. Harper is following Bush's hard right economic policies, look where that got the States.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
I love how the LIBERAL ELITISTS, talk to the Canadian people like they are stupid children.
The video says these parties have a lot in common, no guff. Study how Communism starts historically, the merging of the parties on the Left is KEY in all cases.
After that, they will never give up power, people who don't agree with Far left policies will be sat down with dunce caps on in the corner and preached to until they say
2+2=4 (Just like in Orwell's 1984)
Makes me sick seeing this happen
mismit2 3 years ago
You're afraid Canada might "go Communist" - with the US military sitting next door, let alone the politics of our own senior military figures - & here you are spending your time expressing your fears and trying to forestall it before it happens?
Mismit2 if that is true I am far beyond disagreeing with you but rather feel a deep abiding empathy for the struggle that it must be every day for you to figure out how to gather together 3 meals & just generally keep going.
TwelveBells 3 years ago
Anyone who compares Canada's situation to 1930's Germany's ios being a little overdramatic. The circumstances are not the same. I am extremely knowledgable of History and I know there are some similarities but it is not the same situation. I support the Coalition because of what Harper proposed. I don't like it when party's threaten to destroy democracy. I don't care who did it, if the Liberals proposed what Harper proposed, I would be dead set against it.Coalition seems to stand for freedom.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
I really hope this goea through.
ubercomrade 3 years ago
And by the way, your bprofile says you are from the States. If that is true, why don't you butt out of Canadian politics and worry about your own. We'll worry about our own affairs thanks!
sucka23454321 3 years ago
And LOTS OF PEOPLE CARE about the fact that 41% of eligible voters didn't vote. And I don't exactly see why you think I am delusional and illogical. Why don't you explain how I am these things you accuse me of being? Harper is a crook and has broken the law a few times and now is suspending Parliament to save his own job. That is fact. Not illogic.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
cicero707 if you didn't vote for Harper obviously you don't support him. My point is that 62% of Canadians who did vote DID NOT vote for Harper. This is a representation of the feelings many Candians have towards the Conservatives-THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK!!! Trust me, you think the coalition won't last a week, how long do you think Haper will last after Parliament resumes.
sucka23454321 3 years ago
And fragan01,Canadians DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES!Only 59% of eligible voters voted and about 62% of those voted against Harper.This is a ground breaking moment in our history.The Coalition is happening to defend democracy! Harper tried to not only bankrupt and cripple ALL Opposition,but he also tried to suspend the right of civil servants to strike-which I am pretty sure is an infringement of the Charter of Rights,and he also tried to eliminate equity pay!Fianlly the bully is going down!
sucka23454321 3 years ago
sucka, you are as dumb and illogical as you are delusional. Only 59% of the ppl voted... so who cares about the people that didn't vote? 62% of the people did not vote against Harper. The ballot didn't say "harper", "against harper". I don't expect you understand how flawed your logic is so I am just spelling it out for every one else.
And let the coalition go... it was a failure. Nobody wants Dion, even his own MPs. They can't even last a week and you want them to run the country?
cicero747 3 years ago
I love this video!!!! You are a genius! The Conservatives are billing this as undemocratic-even though Stockwell Day tried this in 2000 and Harper himself in 2004.Also, it is written in the Constitution that this is completely legal. I don't know how people can still vote for Harper-he is shutting down Parliament for six weeks just to defend his job! I am a Liberal Party member and I don't like the idea of Dion as PM- but it would only be until May and then there would be a new leader!ByeHarper!
sucka23454321 3 years ago
Can't believe people voted for Harper and his gang of thugs.He is a divisive force in Canada.We don't need American style one man rule.Coalition is democracy.
humaner 3 years ago
Buy Canadian and American made products. The job you save may be your own!
hitgong 3 years ago
Coalition govts bad and not elected by public-beware!
On 30 January 1933 Adolf Hitler appointed chancellor of a coalition government of the NSDAP-DNVP-Centre Party. The SA and SS led torchlight parades throughout Berlin. In the coalition government three members of the cabinet were Nazis: Hitler, Wilhelm Frick (Minister of the Interior) and Hermann Göring (Minister Without Portfolio).
With Germans who opposed Nazism failing to unite against it, Hitler moved to consolidate absolute power.
jibbi4one 3 years ago
Coalition sucks. WTF? How can they force this idea? Seriously, we as Canadians voted for the Conservatives. Although minority, it is the JUSTLY RIGHT that they have won. Yes, the House gets to vote whichever takes in be in power but THE PEOPLE MUST STAND UP AGAINST THIS NONSENSE!
WE VOTED CONSERVATIVES. THEY HAD WON JUSTLY. LIBERALS LOST! WTF!
fragan01 3 years ago
justly right lol read the BNA act and constitution lol. this is our parlimentary democracy. they can form a coalition, end of story. You must be pissed conservative eh?
fuktyranny 3 years ago
Yes, they can make a coalition. I'm not saying they can't. My point is, even though Conservatives is voted as a minority, it doesn't mean that their opposition disrespect them like that. JUST BECAUSE THEY LOST, they are crying like a baby by making this forceful act of coalition. Truly, if you look at the statistics, often only those that want Coalition is for the EAST which is much more populated leaving US, THE WEST, unguided again! WTF!
fragan01 3 years ago
I from the west and i want a coalition. happers economic update was regressive and destructive. it was anti-labour, anti-women rights and big F@#k you the position parties. This when his government was in a position of weakness. he needed to be at least a little bit conciliatory. he was not. a coalition government is a very reasonable solution to the situation at had.
louismcleod 3 years ago
Louismcleod,
What evidence do you have that Harper literally want an "anti-labour" and "anti-women rights" country? Tell me you just didn't made an assumption commenting that point.
fragan01 3 years ago
please read my comment on your channel page
ameneses52 3 years ago
Anybody that rated this video more than a 1 has some issues with logic. I mean are you guys stupid? 62% of people did not vote against Harper. You are all illogical fools.
I think there should be an organization called Canadian Coalition against the Coalition.
Go Bob Rae!
cicero747 3 years ago 3
you sound like a fukin retard when you put it like that, it was a minority government which means that 62% did vote against harper. lol go Bob Rae, he is a liberal you should be happy haha ur comment must have been a joke, please tell me it was.
fuktyranny 3 years ago
fuktyranny, If you think 62% voting against harper than you are just another illogical fool. You should be counting votes from Canaidan idol as well since they are votes too.
I am saying GO BOB Rae because if he becomes leader of liberals, liberals will never win. Ontario will not allow it. This coupled with the bastardized coalition will ensure that that there will be a majority but not a liberal majority.
cicero747 3 years ago
Conclusion: the canadian system is not very good and democratic, since it allows a minority to govern. And what? the prime minister can stay in power if the GG says she is ok? I remind you that the GG is representing the Queen and isn't representing any canadian, she isn't a democratic institution at all.
Verfallsdatum 3 years ago
Aren't liberals and NDP the parties that support same sex marriage. What you do in the comfort of your own home, I don't really care but what matters is that you don't even know what the hell you are supporting. That you have blind faith even though Dion's MPs don't support him... that you believe that Dion and then Iggy should be PM without the consent of the Canadian people. All I have to say is Go Bob Rae!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cicero747 3 years ago
GO Bob Rae!!!!!!!!!!
Please win, Ontarians have forgiven you for driving jobs out of the province.
Oo Bob Rae!!!!!!!!!
cicero747 3 years ago
Yeah, the libtards wrote the book on corruption. Do you people have shit for brains?
ummm...I think you mean whats best for eastern Canada. Typical eastern shithead comment.
Mk1rceme 3 years ago
Wow. I think we have just become the pre-Obama United States. Harper is pulling some very undemocratic shit and he has neocon supporters as stupid and the redest necks you'll find anywhere in the deep south. And they are all here on youtube! yikes
luciphernow 3 years ago
Sorry ameneses, you didn't get your way.... wahh wahh
The coalition is now irrelevant. They can't even be united for 1 week. liberal MPs have stated publicly that they want Dion out! And you want him to run the country?
Harper is going to get a majority next time around bc of this bastardized coalition and the opposition parties only have themselves to blame. May be we will have a stabilized government then.
If liberals select Rae that will help as well. Ontarians have long memory.....
cicero747 3 years ago
Dear cicero747,
Im sorry that the coalition did not materialized. But im still happy..you know why?....BECAUSE MY HEAD IS NOT STUCK UP HARPERS FILTY ASS! THATS WHY!! Celebrate what you want you CUNTservatives is like Harper..PUSSY..afraid of the Parliamentary mandate!!
ameneses52 3 years ago
Obviously your getting ass-banged by some libtard crony. You stupid fuck, get a life.
Mk1rceme 3 years ago
Once again ameneses, wah wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhhh.
you are the one that is EMO like a school girl. Answer me this, you think Dion is competent when he can't even get a tape to networks on time? That the quality is worst than taliban videos? His own MPs are saying he is incompetent and yet you hold on and on like it was the titanic sinking.
cicero747 3 years ago
Dear Mk1creme and CICERO747,
Since both of you like to be inside Harpers TIGHT ASS, I suggets that the two of you have a ASS BANGING party for the defeat of the Coaltion. You can invite Harper for a threesome...Harper can be the PUSSY...like he showed the world yesterday. You can use the Parliament Bldg bec. its empty now thanks to Harper.Pls video the ass banging for us to enjoy You LUBE...I mean Tube!!
ameneses52 3 years ago
Well said but not sold! I am Consevative who does not support Harper. Harper speaks for the social elite and likes the ordinary Canadians like me ride his coat tail. Well I done. Time to get rid of him and bring in Ralf Kein, a man of the people for the people.
ckdoll 3 years ago
move to the US you ignorant moron
cynaru1234 3 years ago
In future please refrain from posting anything that you would be far too embarassed to actually say out loud in public.
TwelveBells 3 years ago
You can slam liberals all you want but you know Liberals made this country worked in the past way better than Conservatives. Unlike Harper, he thinks he's beyond everyone. This is not Democracy, it's hypocrisy.
QuebecEnglishMan 3 years ago
Quebecenglishman,
2 words... sponsorship scandal.
cicero747 3 years ago
So, you're still living in the past but not looking towards the future eh? Well, all I will say is that Chretien did 100 times better than this dictator we have called Harper.
QuebecEnglishMan 3 years ago
You know what. Let Harper do what he wants. Let him go along with his conservative agenda. When all of you loses your jobs, savings, and house. Please but oh please don't come out and cry wolf then because it will be too late.
QuebecEnglishMan 3 years ago
We should do away with our border and become Americans ........They would make short work of the sepratists.
We could become the 50 - 60 th states.
JJohnny777 3 years ago