Great song. Also, it's not pretentious. It's correct. It's also not elite, it's simply having an elite taste in music. Don't give me this, "...music remains a taste" nonsense. If that were the case, then there is no such thing as five star restaurants. There is good food and bad food. There is good music and bad music.
@Iknowmusic31 You missed my point. Never did I suggest all music is good music or that all taste is good taste. I was simply pointing out the 'pop' label is almost arbitrarily large in today's music market. To dismiss an artist/group because of the label of their sound is idiotic. Furthermore, it's even more ludicrous to assert one cannot have 'eiite taste' (whatever that means) and enjoy some of today's more commercial music. No one is arguing the artistic merit of I & W versus Britney Spears.
I don't agree with a lot of these comments about Lady Gaga or pop artists. Lady Gaga has a different kind of talent, she's a performer and her buisness is to entertain..i think she is talented. This song is good for the soul, it's a sort of catharsis in which raw emotions/thoughts are being expressed. Lady Gaga stirs up your mind and makes you think, Sam lets you express those thoughts.
Because, unfortunately, Iron and WIne are folk and therefore unsexy (in the eyes of the masses.) They don't have a budjet to advertise their music, and they don't have an definite image/character to sell. Also, any music you should listen to the lyrics to really appreciate does play well on the radio. Their song in Twilight got them some attention, but only some who became interested continued to listen to their great music.
@PJuniorRoy because theyre not chasing the mainstream image, making the typical shitty music that we are getting so used to, in order to make money and be famous, they are in it for the love of creating music and they actually have TALENT and something useful to offer. these days people just want to hear about money and bitches and partying and being famous. iron and wine should never be used in the same sentence as that god-forsaken attention whore ever. again.
@PJuniorRoy Most people have a tin ear, that's why. People would buy a toothpaste commercial if you put a meaningless flashy video with it then played it enough times.
@PJuniorRoy It's a matter of media ownership, PJR. Frankly, Iron & Wine doesn't sell as well as pop. I know it sucks (it makes me weep, as well,) but its just the nature of the beast right now. Let's hope that the going aesthetic changes...but...I wouldn't count on it.
@PJuniorRoy I find it's mostly because a lot of people of today don't want to listen to music that calms them down to a point of utter sadness, or anything that'll do anything to make them unhappy. Play your radio for a day, they may be bad musicians (not even musicians honestly), but the stuff is catchy and hard to miss.
@PJuniorRoy bc if the the world was full of amazing musicians like Sam Beam in lieu of gaga, we wouldn't have anyone to make fun of. second, it takes a certain kind of person to truly enjoy a good piece like this. any dumbass can enjoy a thrown-together beat and some shitty lyrics thrown atop. think about it. =)
@PJuniorRoy Well consider this, if bands like Iron and Wine were infinately popular, there would be a large percentage of that populus who would happen to be complete idiots. Much like Lady Gaga etc. type fans. As well, since the band would be popular, there would be more and more attention to making more money and studios getting thier hands on it and diluting it and it would turn into crap, poppy, industry music. Much like...EVERYTHING popular.
@PJuniorRoy if you really have to be told then its something you cant understand anyways. lady gaga is only famous cuz there are a lot of idotic sheep in the u.s.
@PJuniorRoy because there are two types of music. The first type is music for the sake of emotional, and artistic expression which I call art centered music. This group usually includes the critically acclaimed lesser-known musicians(Radiohead). The second is music for entertainments sake. This type of music focuses on being as accessible as possible by incorporating easily understood and relatable subject matters such as superficial angst and the partyhard attitude(Nickleback, AC/DC).
@aciddmc They each have their own aims. Entertainment seeks simply to entertain more less, it becomes problematic when people who enjoy art expect anything more than entertainment from entertainment. Artistic music focuses on being spiritually, emotionally(wider range of emotions and entertainment), and psychologically investigative and satisfying. To compare them is wrong because they both have different aims, and accomplish them both.
Actually, I do. Musicians like Lady Gaga have very simple, easy to predict beats. Your brain gets high off the fact that it's listening to music, plus the fact that it can guess the next beat correctly. It's like a double win for your brain. That's why although the music is so damn simple, you just can't get it out of your head.
@PJuniorRoy lady gaga is a pretty good artist.... she just acts the way she does to stay famous..... she's got some pretty good material... or so I've heard
Nowadays I´m listening to Norah Jones´s songs, so if I could indicate something you to check, I´d tell you about her. I like specially 'The Prettiest Thing' and 'Above Ground'; I don´t consider her songs sound like Iron & Wine, but I like both of them.
I am figuring this song out- no one else has a lesson up- I might do one. I'm not a super guitar player though- but I think I could show the chords and the solo and people can just practice up on their own. It's a beautiful song.
Talking about this 'pop' music...it makes u seem dumb trying to sound like you are above certain people that listen to this 'pop' music. Don't act pretentious.
actually, for the most part i do think that im at least slightly better, music appreciationwise than the people who listen o the corporate-pushed 'pop', and never look up from what is put in front of them.
I say this because a great deal of whats considered popular. which is what i reference when i say 'pop', is nothing more than something to bilk people out of thier money, for crappy soundbite that in some cases have the stale, repetitive flavor of cardboard cookies.
im not being pretentious, im being a bit elitist, which is different.
But really, after looking at stuff like falloutboy, and thier clone-band, the crappy hip-hop and rap on the airwaves, and then listening to something like this, Or mastodon, or Rammsteins latest work, something that has its own sound, can you really say that thats a bad thing?
@BestraferEngel It is both pretentious and elitist to suggest enjoying music like Iron & Wine and the latest 'pop' is mutually exclusive. There are plenty of people who listen to both - myself included.
While I would argue the craftsmanship that goes into this music is far better than Top 40 filler, music remains a taste. Also, while the mainstream sound is pretty narrowly crafted, to dismiss all 'pop' would be rejecting some very legit, groundbreaking artists.
@cster0905 Hear hear, it's refreshing to hear someone with such a realistic opinion on music. David Bowie and The Beatles were pretty much pop music. Michael Jackson too. All amazing artists in their own rights. +1 for you, Sir.
I love this man. <3
MJSullyBear 3 weeks ago
breathtaking. just fucking breathtaking. seeing them on the 2nd of december in az! so excited.
ibitemynailz 3 months ago
@KingofFunk412 Well put. But consider this: Yup.
Iknowmusic31 8 months ago
@Iknowmusic31 Ah, now I see where you're coming from.
KingofFunk412 8 months ago
Great song. Also, it's not pretentious. It's correct. It's also not elite, it's simply having an elite taste in music. Don't give me this, "...music remains a taste" nonsense. If that were the case, then there is no such thing as five star restaurants. There is good food and bad food. There is good music and bad music.
Iknowmusic31 8 months ago
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KingofFunk412 8 months ago
@Iknowmusic31 Nope.
KingofFunk412 8 months ago
@Iknowmusic31 You missed my point. Never did I suggest all music is good music or that all taste is good taste. I was simply pointing out the 'pop' label is almost arbitrarily large in today's music market. To dismiss an artist/group because of the label of their sound is idiotic. Furthermore, it's even more ludicrous to assert one cannot have 'eiite taste' (whatever that means) and enjoy some of today's more commercial music. No one is arguing the artistic merit of I & W versus Britney Spears.
cster0905 6 months ago
my favorite iron and wine.
madisonayers 8 months ago
1 person masturbates to tubgirl
AOFDNavySeal 10 months ago
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madisonayers 11 months ago
LOVE = Sam Beam/Iron & Wine
22amburgey 11 months ago
awsome, tunes, love the suttle cuss words.
injunloco 1 year ago
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peteback 1 year ago
beneath the balcony, cyrano de bergerac? just a guess
I8ASHU 1 year ago
Good song! Love it! Would love to play it on guitar!
Treseler7790 1 year ago
this is pure art and emotion.
painfulpleasurex 1 year ago
I don't agree with a lot of these comments about Lady Gaga or pop artists. Lady Gaga has a different kind of talent, she's a performer and her buisness is to entertain..i think she is talented. This song is good for the soul, it's a sort of catharsis in which raw emotions/thoughts are being expressed. Lady Gaga stirs up your mind and makes you think, Sam lets you express those thoughts.
masqeradediva 1 year ago
beautiful.
tuesdayupnorth 1 year ago
best song or bestest song?
Drakaven666 1 year ago
ive said it before...his best song . im nervous...im never nervous...
daydrinker 1 year ago
@daydrinker ... i thought i was the only one.
justchill919 1 year ago
mp3iffy works again wooohoooo awesome - google mp3iffy
warmongerliverm 1 year ago
all of his music has different meanings...i love it
LukeGessner45 1 year ago
you gotta dig for good music, wouldnt have it any other way
cdphatty 1 year ago
probably one of the best songs ive ever heard
justchill919 1 year ago
Someone here knows why Iron & Wine (and most of really good actually musicians) isn´t famous like Lady Gaga and all these pretty bad pop people?
PJuniorRoy 1 year ago 13
@PJuniorRoy.
Because, unfortunately, Iron and WIne are folk and therefore unsexy (in the eyes of the masses.) They don't have a budjet to advertise their music, and they don't have an definite image/character to sell. Also, any music you should listen to the lyrics to really appreciate does play well on the radio. Their song in Twilight got them some attention, but only some who became interested continued to listen to their great music.
heylookitsnana 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy its an interisting commentary on todays society
mistertimz 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy people don't have a good taste and realization towards true music
sierraisprettycool 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy because theyre not chasing the mainstream image, making the typical shitty music that we are getting so used to, in order to make money and be famous, they are in it for the love of creating music and they actually have TALENT and something useful to offer. these days people just want to hear about money and bitches and partying and being famous. iron and wine should never be used in the same sentence as that god-forsaken attention whore ever. again.
floozywoozle 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy Most people have a tin ear, that's why. People would buy a toothpaste commercial if you put a meaningless flashy video with it then played it enough times.
forgetfulmuse 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy It's a matter of media ownership, PJR. Frankly, Iron & Wine doesn't sell as well as pop. I know it sucks (it makes me weep, as well,) but its just the nature of the beast right now. Let's hope that the going aesthetic changes...but...I wouldn't count on it.
KinoJarman 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy I find it's mostly because a lot of people of today don't want to listen to music that calms them down to a point of utter sadness, or anything that'll do anything to make them unhappy. Play your radio for a day, they may be bad musicians (not even musicians honestly), but the stuff is catchy and hard to miss.
boomtaylor 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy bc if the the world was full of amazing musicians like Sam Beam in lieu of gaga, we wouldn't have anyone to make fun of. second, it takes a certain kind of person to truly enjoy a good piece like this. any dumbass can enjoy a thrown-together beat and some shitty lyrics thrown atop. think about it. =)
Lynxvi 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy great question!
CatwmnCleo 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy Well consider this, if bands like Iron and Wine were infinately popular, there would be a large percentage of that populus who would happen to be complete idiots. Much like Lady Gaga etc. type fans. As well, since the band would be popular, there would be more and more attention to making more money and studios getting thier hands on it and diluting it and it would turn into crap, poppy, industry music. Much like...EVERYTHING popular.
MrMaxHeron 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy cause special music is just like it is - meant for special crowd.
rafamachine 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy They're not famous, they're legends.
prpl27 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy if you really have to be told then its something you cant understand anyways. lady gaga is only famous cuz there are a lot of idotic sheep in the u.s.
injunloco 1 year ago 2
@PJuniorRoy because there are two types of music. The first type is music for the sake of emotional, and artistic expression which I call art centered music. This group usually includes the critically acclaimed lesser-known musicians(Radiohead). The second is music for entertainments sake. This type of music focuses on being as accessible as possible by incorporating easily understood and relatable subject matters such as superficial angst and the partyhard attitude(Nickleback, AC/DC).
aciddmc 11 months ago
@aciddmc They each have their own aims. Entertainment seeks simply to entertain more less, it becomes problematic when people who enjoy art expect anything more than entertainment from entertainment. Artistic music focuses on being spiritually, emotionally(wider range of emotions and entertainment), and psychologically investigative and satisfying. To compare them is wrong because they both have different aims, and accomplish them both.
aciddmc 11 months ago
@PJuniorRoy Agreed!
MJSullyBear 8 months ago
@PJuniorRoy There are more people that like pop crap than people that like Iron and Wine (and most of really good actually musicians).
VillainsvsVillains 5 months ago
@PJuniorRoy
Actually, I do. Musicians like Lady Gaga have very simple, easy to predict beats. Your brain gets high off the fact that it's listening to music, plus the fact that it can guess the next beat correctly. It's like a double win for your brain. That's why although the music is so damn simple, you just can't get it out of your head.
Chantalallen 4 months ago
@PJuniorRoy lady gaga is a pretty good artist.... she just acts the way she does to stay famous..... she's got some pretty good material... or so I've heard
DarkLionInteractive 3 months ago
@PJuniorRoy couldn't agree more
ayana074 3 weeks ago in playlist Iron and Wine playlist
if you all like this band you really must check out either gillian welchwith david rawlings OR the decemberists. Heck i,d check out both
bryantjudoman 1 year ago
Nowadays I´m listening to Norah Jones´s songs, so if I could indicate something you to check, I´d tell you about her. I like specially 'The Prettiest Thing' and 'Above Ground'; I don´t consider her songs sound like Iron & Wine, but I like both of them.
PJuniorRoy 1 year ago
@PJuniorRoy
Your grammar is horrible.
Nothing annoys me more than someone who can't put together a sentence.
22amburgey 11 months ago
@bryantjudoman your post was irrelevant to me after i read The Decemberists
daydrinker 1 year ago
@bryantjudoman
Decemerists?
Ugh.
No. God no.
They've got a great sound,
but I can't stand Colin's voice
to save my life.
Boogers32150 1 year ago
@Boogers32150 the queens rebuke./the crossing is my favorite song. its the really "metal" song, with the female vocalist.
mynameithmaynard 1 year ago
I am figuring this song out- no one else has a lesson up- I might do one. I'm not a super guitar player though- but I think I could show the chords and the solo and people can just practice up on their own. It's a beautiful song.
SharonC4 2 years ago
This song is so settling... yet more.
heyheyitsmj 2 years ago 2
This song is easily one oh I & W's best. So underrated.
kpwendy 2 years ago 2
I love him.
MarrissaMuffin 2 years ago
love this.
EchosAreLast 2 years ago
Likewise Daydrinker. This is an awesome song. It easily outclasses the 'pop' music that the corporate labels push on the masses.
BestraferEngel 2 years ago
I meant more recognition in respect to iron and wine's music, i think this is one of his best songs.
daydrinker 2 years ago
Talking about this 'pop' music...it makes u seem dumb trying to sound like you are above certain people that listen to this 'pop' music. Don't act pretentious.
daydrinker 2 years ago
actually, for the most part i do think that im at least slightly better, music appreciationwise than the people who listen o the corporate-pushed 'pop', and never look up from what is put in front of them.
I say this because a great deal of whats considered popular. which is what i reference when i say 'pop', is nothing more than something to bilk people out of thier money, for crappy soundbite that in some cases have the stale, repetitive flavor of cardboard cookies.
BestraferEngel 2 years ago
im not being pretentious, im being a bit elitist, which is different.
But really, after looking at stuff like falloutboy, and thier clone-band, the crappy hip-hop and rap on the airwaves, and then listening to something like this, Or mastodon, or Rammsteins latest work, something that has its own sound, can you really say that thats a bad thing?
BestraferEngel 2 years ago 2
@BestraferEngel It is both pretentious and elitist to suggest enjoying music like Iron & Wine and the latest 'pop' is mutually exclusive. There are plenty of people who listen to both - myself included.
While I would argue the craftsmanship that goes into this music is far better than Top 40 filler, music remains a taste. Also, while the mainstream sound is pretty narrowly crafted, to dismiss all 'pop' would be rejecting some very legit, groundbreaking artists.
Sweeping generalizations = bad.
cster0905 1 year ago 20
@cster0905 Hear hear, it's refreshing to hear someone with such a realistic opinion on music. David Bowie and The Beatles were pretty much pop music. Michael Jackson too. All amazing artists in their own rights. +1 for you, Sir.
l2enegadesofFunk 6 months ago
amazing
jfef923 2 years ago
Don't know why this song doesn't get more recognition.
daydrinker 2 years ago