For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
How can you explain this passage if roughly 2/3 of the Earths population is dead from the judgements already? A loaf of bread will cost a day's wages. You think there will be lots of marrying and eating and drinking at this time?
Man you are preaching!!!! Stand on that word!!!! Daniel Chapter 12 explains all of this in details that anyone with the spirit of God should be able to understand. The problem is, they taught us this foolishness for years when we were growing up and most of them doing the teaching - couldn't read a parking meter!! Now, the lie is so deep in so many of us that even if the word became flesh again, we wouldn't be able to see the truth. We have to read and study Gods word as our bottom line. Amen!!
To those who believe in a pre tribulation rapture: Why would the verse (Revelation 16:15) be placed where it is, between the sixth and seventh vial of God's wrath, just before the Battle of Armageddon?
Honestly, I do not care wheter it is pre-trib or mid-trib or post-trib. I do not know how far we are into Revelation. However, this i do know: Jesus is coming right away. Many people were warned in visions and dreams. We must not be asleep, but we must live for Jesus only, and we must live holy. Do not get caught up in worldliness! Jesus is coming right away! Be prepared and wait for Him. May you and I be considered worthy to be with Jesus forever.
Has anyone here learned the Jewish marriage cerimony? & days of a wedding feast. The groom comes and takes his bride before the feast, in a surprise visit. The bible says that we will be caught up to Him ina cloud (before the tribulation) That is not the second coming...Can't you people see the Alien aganda to explain away the Rapture?" HARPAZO! tHE FEAST IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE seven earth years! The bible speks in a code tense. Past and future tense. God dexigned it 4 Holy Spirit 2 teach
@sanderson1611 Jesus Christ instituted the Jewish belief system. He is Jewish, born through Davids seedline. I am not a disbeliever in Jesus. We who are believers are the real Jews. But needless to say, The original pre Pharisee church was obedient to God, and HE is the one who set up the Wedding Feast ceremony. Just as the sacrificial lamb offering as a representational reminder of the Christ to come. Jesus is God. Don't you know the Old Testament? It to is God's Holy Word. It all goes 2getther
Good thing I believe in The Word of God when it goes against The Bible. (how you get "I will be how I said I'm gonna be" from "EPHAH-ASHER-EPHAH," i don't know; but I get 'I am that I am' or 'I will be that I will be')
'"The Bible IS the Word of God" about as much as 'the math-textbook IS the rocket-ship.''
@liw213 The antichrist doesn't reign for 7 years. He reigns for 42 months (3.5 years):
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
God's elect people DOES include the Jews, Israelites, Messianics, Christians, etc..Basically aanyone that believes in him and follows his ways..Matter of fact, read Act and the FIRST ones to receive the Holy Spirit were JEWS. So if these jews still practiced Torah and received the holy spirit where do they fall??
Pretribbers say there are two second comings, that Christ will not land on the earth, what will happen during the seven years? Will they float around in the air? Will they go to heaven and then return with Him? Will the tribulation Saints also be raptured? Is there two raptures? Where is THAT in the Bible? Is the atmosphere of the earth, part of the earth? Is wrath the same as Tribulation?
thx u Pastor Anderson 4 sharing the Truth from the Scriptures! it is unfortunate that many so-called "men of God" refuse 2 tell the complete,unvarnished truth from the Bible. all Scriptures r given 4 truth & should b obeyed! there will b NO RAPTURE (secret or otherwise;that teaching is a boldface lie)! take care, Pastor.
1. He's using the King James Bible, which is great
2. I don't like that he doesn't reference any other verses to strengthen his position, the Bible tells us to do that. (II Timothy 3:16) (Acts 17:11)
3. Wasn't Jesus and his apostales preaching to the Jews? The mystery of the Cross was later given to Paul by revelation by Jesus himself (This is the message to the church)
4. I think this pastor needs to rightly divide the word of truth. (II Timothy 2:15)
Very good. Indeed, the rapture takes place AFTER the TRIBULATION PERIOD, NOT BEFORE. AFTER the antichrist is revealed. AFTER the fall away. AFTER Israel is back in her land. AFTER the SUN and the MOON and other celestial disturbances. AFTER!!! Pre-trib isn't sound biblical doctrine. It's a lie.
@CoopersQuill Yes, I agree with you 100%. The only rapture is the last day. I am sorry the Baptists have followed the vision of a particular child, instead of the true, clear word of God found only in the Bible!
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There is only one rapture : the day you die. It will happen for the most of us within ~80 years. That is the day we enter a most wonderful life provided for us by our Creator. Harold Camping was disappointed on May 21 and will be again on Oct 21. There is no second coming.
how rare it is to find a Baptist preacher who will not support the false teaching of the secret pre-tribulation rapture of the church for most do. yes, there will be a rapture, but not before the last trumpet which is at the last day.
And in 1 Thessalonians 4 it says the Christians (dead or alive) will be caught up to meet the LORD in the air, look at the word IN THE AIR not in land but in the AIR so that will be the rapture and after that a span of time, then JESUS will appear in all His glory and power here on earth. and that span may be the great tribulation.
hope this helps, by the way I am not a bible student but this is what I believe in!
@kcelpedes I forgot to include that 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN. Now go back and read Acts 3:21. Christ leaves heaven in 1st Thess.4:16 so Acts 3:21 prevents 1st Thess. 4:16 from being a pre-trib event.
Which implies that look at the word THE SAME it means there are already saved and there will be more to come during the period. It does not say that they are saved through enduring but through enduring, those who have not come to Christ beforehand will see Him in His earthly reign.
Mark 12:6-27 - TRIBULATION up to GLORIOUS APPEARING
Maybe we're not clear of what we're referring to. I believe that salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) but why is it said in verse 13 of Mark 12 that
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
@kcelpedes You have missed one scripture that would make it immpossible for 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 to be a pre-tribulation event. That verse is Acts 3:21.
"Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, ..."
If we refer back WHOM is referring to Jesus who will be in heaven UNTIL (until describes a swift change it speaks about a starting point) the times of restitution (it means compensation/ getting back the rule over the earth from the devil during the tribulation) ..., meaning the Glorious Appearing (NOT THE RAPTURE) is after the tribulation.
@kcelpedes I am not wrong because what is restored are the things all God Holy Prophets spoke of. So go read the Prophets and you will find the answer.
@jimthebaptist67 Yes Jim I did. I agree with most of what you are saying.The Saints are mentioned in chapter 8:not yet raptured. then in the seventh seal they are taken up. Revelation is mostly past history as Jesus said these things must shortly come to pass. In our time frame they are mostly past. Q4. Yes, accourding to 2Th2 the only ones to whom the AC is revealed is the ones who loved the truth that they could be saved. The rest are sent delusions. There is a counting time to the end.
@goldmakers The tribulation is 3 1/2 years, within the time frame of what daniel called the "shabuwa". Daniel 9 24-27 there will be 62 shabuwa and 7 Shabuwas, The definition is a seven or a heptad-(seven), or seven shavuots=7years. The Man of sin confirms an existing "Covenant" not treaty,with many, not the world. He did it on Jan.20th 2009. 62 Shavuots after Jerusalem was restored. He will be in power 42 months. The Holy covenant is the US constitution. He will break it. WHo is a False Prof
@jimthebaptist67 That is human reasoning. To say just because the church is not mentioned after Rev.4. Wrath is in a DAY, and is NOT the same as Tribulation. Has the church ever suffered? Do all who live Godly in Christ, suffer persecution? How did the apostles die? Are they part of the bride? Are believers at this time being martyred in the world? Are we exempt from God's requiring miracle working faith?
1) It depends on your definition of the characters in Revelation
2) "Israel" can include Christians who are grafted in. Also note current day Israel is actually the house of Judah. The house of Israel was lost and spread throughout the world. (Hebrews 8:8). Research lost 10 tribes (recommend Stephen Collins books)
3) God's wrath is after the tribulation caused by the antichrist
1 Thess 4:13-17 is talking about the Messiah's second coming. In verse 17 it says ""then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them..." The word remain in this passage is the Greek word περιλείπομαι [pe-rē-lā'-po-mī] which means to survive. Survive what? Great Tribulation. Also read the the Parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43. In verse 30 at the harvest (end of the age) the Tares are gathered FIRST, not the Wheat (righteous).
1 Thess 4:13-17 is talking about the Messiah's second coming. In verse 17 it says ""then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them..." The word remain in this passage is the Greek word περιλείπομαι [pe-rē-lā'-po-mī] which means to survive. Survive what? Great Tribulation. Also read the the Parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43. In verse 30 at the harvest (end of the age) the Tares are gathered FIRST, not the Wheat (righteous).
in matthew 24, it says jesus will come after the tribulation. i am sure of when, i asked in my heart but didn't go to the lord with the question. because i kept saying to myself it wasn't a big deal and it was probably pre tribulation, but then out of nowhere i came across those verses, the lord knew what i pondered in my heart, and he answered me even though i didn't ask.
Pre-Trib ... AKA any-moment-now ... is the Mark of the Beast "in" your forehead. It sets you up to worship the "first" supernatural being to set foot on this Earth. Who is that supernatural being? The most beautiful Angel ever created by God, Lucifer. He's going to come in the clouds, with an Army of Angels (who'll again find the daughters of Adam very beautiful and will be taking and giving in marriage with them.)
I have to disagree with you regarding a post tribulation Rapture. Why would God punish those alive in Christ with the horrors of the tribulation and the dead in Christ would not be punished?
I believe the elect spoken of in Matthew 24 refers to those saved during the tribulation by God's two witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses of Revelation. I believe the Rapture described in 1 Thessalonians 4 is a different event than the event described in Matthew 24.
@DiscipleofElijah So you think Paul(Saul), Peter, Stephen and many others who are dead in Christ that they did not have horrors of being stoned to death or beheaded or crucified. No they did not they counted it as a service to Christ. Do you think you are better than them?
@eddienickels1; I don't believe I am better than any other saved person.
I'll ASSUME you have read the last line of 1 Thess. 4:16 (KJV). Do you really believe that someone who was saved and died a natural death, that when they are raised God is going to say; "You were not stoned, beheaded or crucified, therefore you must go through the tribulation?"
The saved, dead or alive will not go through the tribulation, they will be raptured prior to the tribulation.
@DiscipleofElijah The pre-trib so called "rapture" is a false teaching and 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 cannot be a pre-trib event. So your assumption of what God would say is impossible to start with and a ridiculous opinion of my comment but that is typical of a pre-tribber All opinion and zero truth.
@eddienickels: response to email. Eddie! I still believe! If there is no rapture its still not a problem. You have such a Pharisee spirit on you! I'm not worried because I will not stick around and will manage to die immediately! I still get to be with the Lord. I am not going through all that. You really worship this Paster whatever his name is. No, no, no You are breaking the 1st commandment....people worry about the stupidist things!
@MamasitaDeVegas The stupidist thing is to say there is a so called pre-tribulation "rapture". Next time click reply on one of my comments because I already know the tricks of pre-tribbers who do not want a rebuttal if they can't block me. Now for saying I worship this pastor I have not watched but one or two of his videos to see where he stands so you are bearing false witness against me. Do you know which of the 10 commandments that is? Because that would make you a LIAR. Are you a LIAR?
@eddienickels1 I'm not avoiding you EN! I've been a little busy. No tricks. Your comments lead me to believe you worship this Pastor & all he says is the "gospel truth." You are angry because I disagree that he is something special. I am not a liar, I believe what I say is truth. You are very defensive over this Man, a little too much. Yes, I say "worship." Put on a pedastal. You removed 1 of my comments to you about him. Why? I'm not going to be drawn into your drama. Be blessed.
If this man was God's anointed, he would know the rapture and the 2nd coming are two separate incidents. He has no business being behind a pulpit or anything else. This is a perfect example of "a Pharisee Spirit." This is the reason people no longer want to go to church.
@eddienickels1 That's my point. He didn't say He was coming twice. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. "TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR." Rev 19:14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Rev 19:16 His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. No assumption In Bible
@MamasitaDeVegas 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN. Now go to Acts 3:21 it says he must stay in Heaven until all things are restored that was spoken of by Gods prophets. Now go to Joel 2:32 and you will see that the last of Gods people the remnant happens when Christ returns at the great and terrible day of the Lord. Same as Matthew 24:29 after the tribulation not two separate events.
@eddienickels1 There are 3 heavenly realms. He doesn't come down on "earth" In 1998 I have a vision of the rapture. I thought it was happening for real. Exciting! As I floated upwards I looked down at the earth. Thousands of souls were coming up. Jesus was up there greeting everyone. We all floated past him upwards moving on into the 3rd realm. Yes, he descended to meet his kids. He set foot on the earth. I believe my vision is accurate. Still says TO MEET IN THE AIR amen?
@eddienickels1 Yes! I'm in agreement. When He comes back on His horse. The Second coming of the Christ. Many do not believe in the rapture & that's ok. No argument. It all comes down to faith. I believe it is real. I saw it. Many will not go up because they do not believe. I can only relay what I know, what is truth to me so those who have not heard an explanation can "CHOOSE' for themselves.God gives us wisdom when we ask Him. God bless you.They will go through the Trib for their unbelief.
@MamasitaDeVegas You are standing in judgement of people who don't believe the same as you. That they are not worthy of Gods mercy. Shame on you. I hope God forgives all you so called pre-tribulation so called "rapture" believers for standing in judgement of Gods people.
@eddienickels1 I am not standing in judgment of anyone. I am quoting scripture to you. Shame on you for misleading people to say: they must go through the tribulation. I never said they are not worthy, those are your words. God doesn't condemn me or anyone for having faith in His word. When judgment come from God, the time for mercy is past. I don't condemn or judge you. I pray all believers will open their eyes before its too late. Shame on you sir.
@eddienickels1 I am quite lucid! If one doesn't believe in the Pre-Trib rapture it is because they have no faith in that. A.K.A "Unbelief." Correct me if I am wrong, all who do not go up in the rapture will go through the tribulation, yes? If one believes in the rapture, they will not go through the tribulation. They will be in heaven dining at the Omni Presence Holy dining room with the Lamb of God. The Lambs Supper. Clear?
@MamasitaDeVegas To start with your so called pre-tribulation "rapture" is a lie. The only one teaching a false doctrine here is you. To have unbelief for something that is not going to happen is a good thing. So if you are still alive when the tribulation starts don't fall away because you will then see you are wrong.
@eddienickels1 Mr. Nickles thanks, but no thanks. I don't care to listen any more of your false prophet teacher. My opinion, which I am entitled to. When a Pastor calls another a bastard for evangelizes I have no respect for the 'MAN OF GOD" that does so. False prophets come in all shapes and sizes. Best of all to you. I do believe your responses are not your own thoughts, but that of your teacher.
pride is of the devil!!! listen to this guy!!! he is not humble!!! knowledge puffs you up!!! he is trying to be the most knowledgeble!! he who thinks he is the wisest becomes a fool!!! he doesnt walk in the fruits of the spirit!!! thats what real believers do!! just another fool on the pulpit!!! follow Jesus not foolish pastors!!!
so you have to be a baptist if the bible is your authority? your arrogance and pride kills me. you are a very religious man. and religion is what got Christ crucified. you remind me of the pharisees. i agree with this sermon but your attitude will win no one to Jesus.
Preach it brother! Christians need to prepare for the trib. U will suffer the era of the mark of the beast. How will u survive if u cant buy or sell. Grow it? No! HR2751 passed in Jan. BO signed it. You now need permits and fees in the US to grow anything. U must prepare or your family will die. Become Sustainable BIOSPHARMS has the info u need. Sub to Biospharms.
this is one for all to consider: all the different denominations claim to be right... but, when you look at them, which of them truly are different??? none religion is something we as ppl have defined... there is one true religion: taking care of the widows and orphans, not bowing to some roman laws cause some guy in a suit... Math.23:10 we have one MASTER and every other soul on this planet is equal... follow GODS LAWS and forget what a man tells you, this is how you will please HIM...
To have Church saints and tribulation saints seperate is NOT Biblical, no scripture supports such nonsense.
If that were true, then that would mean there's multiple raptures, and that the bride of Christ is taken up in pieces? Does that make sense? Is that Biblical? No
Romans 5 we[c] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
Matt 24 tells you the signs that precede the Rapture, or our gathering to Him. It tells us that Jesus will be seen as LIGHTING IN THE SKY FLASHES from the easy as for as the west, so will the Coming of Man be. There is only one 2nd coming. The tribes of the Earth will mourn when they see him come down upon the clouds (Rev 6) and you will see the signs spoken of in Mat 24 come to pass and then the Angels gather the elect from the four winds of the Earth. God Bless seek truth before our perception
2nd Thess Chapter 2 Tells us that The Day of the Lord, and our gathering to Him, will NOT happen UNTIL there's a falling away, or a departure from the Faith. And then the man of lawlessness (as spoken of by Daniel the prophet, and Jesus) is revealed. THEN, the day of the Lord will happen and our gathering to HIm. Paul says it's the same day. 1 Cor 15 tells us the dead will rise first, then the remaining living. 1 and 2 thess tell us the same thing.
This preacher has obviously not read the Bible enough about the Rapture. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says " For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." Now the Great Tribulation is a time of great wrath. Matthew 24:42 " Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." In other words Pastor, He could come at anytime. Btw, it is not whether you are baptist, pentecostal, methodist or non-denominational. It is whether or not you are saved.
@ez33watchman Baptists Catholics, pentecostals, etc etc are all believers either way. Satan wants discord within the body of Christ, if you think about it every denomination is there because God wants it that way! Times are biblical here folks, it is going to get a lot worse than things are now, the body needs to unite not encourage strife and division. God Bless, Yahweh is our Salvation Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world!!!
@gammafreak Things are going to get worse and we do need to unite. But how shall we unite? Shall we just forget when people are being decieved and lead to hell for the sake of "unity?" Should we walk hand in hand with "denominations" that teach things that are completely opposite of what scripture says? If the body is to be united, it must be through God's word. Not through pushing aside differences. We must conform to His word! These denominations didn't come about for God's pleasure!next reply
@gammafreak Why would God want His people divided about what He said to do? He wants us to not harden our hearts when we hear His voice. Do some research on Catholics. They teach a works salvation. Also Pentecostals teach a works salvation and demonic influence. I'm not going to keep going. Read the bible and pray. look at what these denominations teach and what Christ said. If they are different, who is wrong?
@ez33watchman all denominations are wrong to some extent... the thing is, the scripture tells us all to work-out your own salvation with fear and trembling and study to show yourself approved before GOD... all denominations celebrate pagan holidays and my favorite; they say it is impossible to follow GODS LAW but, they sure do follow mans roman pagan law cause they may get a ticket or put in jail... they go along with evil just to get along with evil but they will all meet the judge...
@TheWatchmen001 Oh yea, they have many issues. Thats why I stay away. I stay away from all the holidays too. I agree. There is a judgment coming! Thats why they must be warned.
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
@hachetman855 Well your own words prove there is no pre-trib so called "rapture". By saying there is a group of people who are restored to God during the tribulation causes Acts 3:21 to be the proof that Christ can't return until after the tribulation has begun.
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
I think the problem is that people confuse the tribulation of the saints with the punishment of Babylon... Jesus returns because the outcry is great and the fullness of the martyrs comes, and then the cup of God's wrath which Babylon filled up full of their blood, God pours back out to her twofold.
I think the rapture will take place after tribulation simply because it is written for us to know. why would it be there if we were not going to be here?
HMMmmm.... I am reading alot of judging and criticising remarks. If christians can't get along with other christians then why would anyone else want to be a christian???? I know that I am just a back woods redneck but isnt it said that a house devided against its self can not stand????
@MrModernproblems You are correct about that. But it also says Judgement begins with the house of God. Only one view can be right . So a loving Christian will keep giving their opposing view so the undecided can see the truth.
HMMmmm.... I am reading alot of judging and criticising remarks. If christians can't get along with other christians then why would anyone else want to be a christian???? I know that I am just a back woods redneck but isnt it said that a house devided against its self can not stand????
@4jesus1981 i was raised pentecostal and now that i am older and can study and understand for myself, i find that upc is going along with this evil system just as much as everyone of the other religions and none of them are doing what the book says... they bow to pagan roman laws just like all the rest and go along to get along, they send their kids to the same pagan schools never heading what the book says about not leading kids away, so i cant see any difference in any denomination...
I don't hear the spirit of truth in this man. Mr. Anderson does not know God and his COVENANT WITH ISRAEL, WHO ARE HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, ALONG WITH THE CHURCH. Esphesians 3:6- says the Gentiles (the Church), together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. THIS IS A NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE! Peachers who don't know what they are talking about should not be preaching.
im with you on that, i mean sure it says AFTER THE TRIBULATION....can you tell me a DAY OR HOUR of the tribulation? NO? didnt think so, i mean for a guy who likes grammer he clearly isnt much for semantics
This is confusing because He will return pre-trib but the so-called Rapture, a word invented by the Churches, not in the Bible, but what is meant by the Rapture is that
He will not be recognized until after the tribulations;. He comes as a thief in the night.
@Beulah502 Show me one Bible verse where it says Christ returns to so called "rapture" his Church but does not make any noise. It sure can't be 1st Thessalonians 4:17. Which is the verse all pre-tribbers use as their "rapture" verse.
Every comment I read on this thread just gives full example of why America is in the spiritual state it's in. If any of you had the relationship with the Lord that you should have you would spend your time furthering His ministry, not arguing about interpretation. Just goes to show- "professing themselves as wise they became as fools" I am taking this verse slightly out of context, but I think it fits well enough. "You do error in not knowing the scriptures", at least not in whole cause it's no
and you do error in casting judgement and thus leave yourself a hypocrite...so whats your point...and if one does not have an ACCURATE understanding of what they believe..then how can they even believe it, its like saying ya i believe in evolution, i think everything grew up from a little tiny pink monkey...i mean your whole arguement makes no sense./..and keep in mind you are also arguing with us, and thus contradicting your own statement..so learn to speak before you try
For any pre-tribulation believer I would like to ask some questions 1) Do you have to be dead to be resurrected ?2) When are dead in Christ raised ? 3) when do we appear before Jesus without sin ? 4) Would you please use three verses of the scriptures?
ou would think the desire to go through the tribulation would be as popular as the desire to jump into a pit filled with vipers and broken glass. As illogical as it may seem, there appears to be a large number of Christians that fully expect to get roughed up before Christ returns. Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 they will rise when jesus returns,they will meet the lord in the air first then those who are alive we then join them,when we die we are waiting in our graves till the dead hear Gods voice and his trumpet call,the dead trib saints dont go before the dead before them.
@andymcq2509 Sorry, that is quite WRONG. They NEVER "meet Christ" in the air. They are only "resurrected", they NEVER "ascend" into Heaven, like the 2 murdered Witnesses of Revelation 11; like the 144,000 Jewish Pastors in Revelation 14; Not like John in Revelation 4:1-5 (See the 24 elders - 12 Apostles & 12 Representatives of Israel (Prophets?). They are in Heaven with their Crowns. We receive our Crowns when we're in Heaven WITH Jesus. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 is BEFORE any seals are opened
@JesusHoldMyHand1 To start with your question is wrongly asked. Because "rapture" comes from the Latin word raptus meaning caught up not go to Heaven. Second if you are trying to bait someone for an arguement anyone can see you don't understand what your are trying to do because ressurected is what happens to the dead or killed not "raptured".
@eddienickels1 Where do you think they are RAPTURED to? Raptured = goes to Heaven very quickly Ascension = goes to Heaven SLOWLY like Jesus did & the 2 Witnesses do in Revelation 11, in front of people. Raptured is the term used because we disappear VERY QUICKLY, VERY SUDDENLY, in the "twinkling of an eye", that has been estimated at about 1/6 of a nanosecond. I still recommend that your read your Bible. I thought I already gave you the definations of Rapture & Ascension. didn't I???
@JesusHoldMyHand1 There you go with the condescending remarks again. Recommend I read my Bible. No where does it say rapture means quick to Heaven. In the twinkling of an eye is about the transformation of the body not a rapid trip to Heaven. When it says caught up to Heaven in the Bible it does not always mean a so called "rapture" event. If anyone believes the things you teach I feel sorry for them.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Oh I forgot to answer your question. When a post-trib seconding coming occurs we are caught up(raptured), after the dead in Christ rise first, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with him. Then we go with him to set up his Kingdom for the 1000 year reign. No where does it say we go to Heaven after he receives us unto himself.
@eddienickels1 Eddie, if you believe in a post-trib Rapture then why aren't the Christians that were killed DURING the whole Tribulation Raptured? They are merely "resurrected", brought back to life to go into the Kingdom. Revelation 20:4-6 THEY ARE NEVER RAPTURED!! If you go into any part of the Great Tribulation, which starts at the First Seal, YOU WILL NEVER BE RAPTURED. Read Rev. 1:10 - Jesus' "voice sounding like a trumpet..." Rev. 4:1 same "...voice sounding like a trumpet..." RAPTURE
@JesusHoldMyHand1 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the dead in Christ shall rise first. It does not say the dead will be caught up(raptured). Revelation 20:5 explains about the first ressurection which is the same event spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:16. You will have to prove to me where it says in the Bible if you go into the tribulation you will not be caught up to meet Christ in the air. Spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:17.
@eddienickels1 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord - so who are we in this verse and who are them that are being caught up (TOGETHER)
@thetruthimpart Lets start with the fact that the so called "rapture" is not the whole event. Spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17. If "rapture" from the latin raptus means for you caught up . Then only the alive are caught up. The dead are resurrected. So Lets say this again. We which are alive and remain(survive) shall be caught up,,,,,,,,, together with them in the clouds. Going back the dead in Christ shall rise first. They are already in the clouds. We are the alive that SURVIVE
@eddienickels1 fact 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. WE TOGETHER WITH THEM 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
@eddienickels1 i just pray that as things continue to get worse and all these ppl who believe they are so great as to not have to endure the tribulation of the saints and the shaking of this world that He can somehow bring them through for most are already lost due to listening to a man and not reading the WORD as it is written... but most of those ppl dont even understand this country is doomed already and under the judgement of the KING...
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Continued,,,, If you think the word merely has anything to do with what God does at Christ's return you don't have a clue about the ressurection power of God. Once again I feel sorry for anyone who accepts you interpretation of scriptures of the Bible. So get this raptured does not mean go to Heaven. It comes from the Latin word raptus which means caught up. So you just show me once where the word rapture is used in the Bible.
There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start. First of all Matthew 24:29 is not speaking of the rapture. It is speaking of the Second coming of Christ to earth after the tribulation. He is not coming in the cloud he is coming to the earth in Judgement. Second God is not finished with the Jew. We are now living in the church age. When the rapture occurs God will begin again to deal with his chosen people the Jews. The elect that in Matthew 24:31 is the Jew.
@jds1999 Show me in the Bible where it says the Elect of Matthew 24:31 are Jews.Now if your so called "rapture" happens between Christ coming to die for our sins and his SECOND coming what is its numerical position? Is it his 1.5 return ? Read Acts 3:21 and Revelation 10:7 see if you find an answer. I want scriptures for your proof.
@RANJO517 God Bless you brother. Never lose the blessed hope! Continue spreading the truth and fighting the good fight of faith, and directing brothers and sisters to the King James Bible. Maranatha!!
Ultimately, it's up to the individual to make the choice of what to believe based on his/her hermeneutics concerning eschatological doctrine. That said, ALL scripture dealing with events surrounding and leading to the return of the Lord, should be kept in context not only historically, but culturally as well. Scripture wasn't written in english, nor was it written in a modern-western frame of mind.
At the midnight cry I'll be going home! You can deny the pre trib rapture all you want, but I am out of here when that trump of God sounds. Which is BEFORE the tribulation.
@TheKJVberean >>> amen brother..... my KJV clearly states that the trump will sound and the 'dead in Christ' will raised up to meet him (Jesus) in the clouds and 'we (living believers) ' that are left will be 'caught up 'to join him. That's pretty cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Enjoy your time in the tribulation...... I'll be watching from above!! GOD bless and have a great day!!
@eddienickels1 >> Eddie ole buddy, If 'proof' landed in your lap you still wouldn't believe in the 'LORD JESUS CHRIST'!!. It's a shame because as a Christian, I'm suppose to love you and all those who are 'lost'. I will keep praying for you but I won't continue to engagae in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Have a great 'forever'!
Amen brother .... i grew up in a babtist church myself but i do not find any real proof in the bible regarding a pre-tribulation ... sorry guys we are probably going to have a hard time and in the tribulation. God help us and guide us!
Immediately after the tribulation in Mat. 24:29 is immediately after the 1st 1/2 of Daniel's 70th wk according to Jesus in Lk 17:29-37 and Mat.24:15-22. See also Dan. 12:1-3. The day of the Lord is a doomsday scenario Lk 25-28 and a visible coming.
Immediately after the tribulation in Mat.24:29 is immediately after the 1st 3 1/2 yrs of Daniel's 70th wk according to Jesus in Lk 17:26-37 and Mat.24:15-22. No man knows the day or the hour when that day will come. The day of the Lord is the visible Second Coming of Christ & the Resurrection of the just.
Does is it matter when Jesus comes for his bride? Why are we spending so much time calculating when? Learn his words and get out there to spread the gospel and help your brothers at while walking in Jesus Christ's footsteps. If anything this world will need bible beating Christians when all is dark to help our brothers repent. Come on guys wake up to what's coming. please.
His theory is that pre trib doctrine was invented by crooked preachers in order to get money and offerings quicker. Interesting theory . He makes a good point from scripture as to the post trib view. It seems to make more sense than a pre trib because everyone agrees that Jesus returns after the trib , but if he comes down to the sky for the pre tribbers and then again after the trib , then he would be technically coming back twice and that is not scriptural , I think .
Sounds like he is saying that the tribulation will be a tip off in regards to Christ's return , but if it were that simple , then all the parables about people being taken by surprise would not make sense because we can all just wait until the trib and then get it right at that time. Could it be that when the trib is here that we all may not necessarily realize it ? That is how the bible seems to make it sound if you pay attention to the parables and prophesies.
Matthew 24 &25 are not speaking about a pre trib rapture but the second coming so this argument falls flat. The apostle Paul alone received the revelations of the mystery of Christ which included the rapture so all scripture outside his writings are the second coming at the end of the tribulation. The Church which is Christ's body has no part in the prophetic plan for Israel and its Tribulation which Matthew is speaking about. Regards Dennis
I mean no disrespect to you, however, you don't know what you're talking about. It's sad when people try to make doctrine without studying the scriptures in their entirety. You've missed so much that it's ridiculous. You're interpretation is extremely superficial and lacking. Please take the blinders off and study what the bible says, not what you want it to say.
@TheGraceofChrist We will be challenged, absolutely! Revelation says we will be killed and we must endure until the end proclaiming Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Lord. He gave us his blood. We should be preparing ourselves spiritually for facing persecution and death of this life. I believe once Christians are all eliminated (killed) for not accepting the new age leader, the great darkness then will fall upon the earth. Much love and praise Jesus Christ!
@Biblehastheanswer Do you think we should also have supplies? I'm trying not too be anxious, just seems like our economy's ready to collapse at any time. Praise God!...I WILL praise Him at all times!
@TheGraceofChrist I know it's terrifying. I believe we are going to see next near the darkest time of the earth. The darkest times will be after all Christians are eliminated. Trust me, if you take away God's people, it will get dark. These people have no idea what shoes they are stepping on, but we just need to pray for them and love them, even when they are persecuting us. I'm going to stock up food and water - not for me but for everyone else that's going to be caught off guard.
@TheGraceofChrist I'm not sure how this is going to go down. God tells us to submit to authorities, love those that persecute you, and follow the law up to when they demand we renounce Christ as God in the flesh. All that refuse will be deemed criminals, extremists, nonevolving, etc. So be prepared for that. Just like Jesus they won't make it honorable. We are Sheep to our Shepard. Our blood for him, but he's coming back, and we won't have any more evil. I pray for you in these days ahead
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
How can you explain this passage if roughly 2/3 of the Earths population is dead from the judgements already? A loaf of bread will cost a day's wages. You think there will be lots of marrying and eating and drinking at this time?
clockguy2 21 hours ago
Man you are preaching!!!! Stand on that word!!!! Daniel Chapter 12 explains all of this in details that anyone with the spirit of God should be able to understand. The problem is, they taught us this foolishness for years when we were growing up and most of them doing the teaching - couldn't read a parking meter!! Now, the lie is so deep in so many of us that even if the word became flesh again, we wouldn't be able to see the truth. We have to read and study Gods word as our bottom line. Amen!!
ppdrawings 3 days ago
To those who believe in a pre tribulation rapture: Why would the verse (Revelation 16:15) be placed where it is, between the sixth and seventh vial of God's wrath, just before the Battle of Armageddon?
Hooverdarnit 5 days ago
Of course your church members do not know what a pronoun is. Only truly stupid people...or should I say "Sheeple," would follow you.
amylyncruz 5 days ago
Honestly, I do not care wheter it is pre-trib or mid-trib or post-trib. I do not know how far we are into Revelation. However, this i do know: Jesus is coming right away. Many people were warned in visions and dreams. We must not be asleep, but we must live for Jesus only, and we must live holy. Do not get caught up in worldliness! Jesus is coming right away! Be prepared and wait for Him. May you and I be considered worthy to be with Jesus forever.
ViDeOfee1994 1 week ago
Has anyone here learned the Jewish marriage cerimony? & days of a wedding feast. The groom comes and takes his bride before the feast, in a surprise visit. The bible says that we will be caught up to Him ina cloud (before the tribulation) That is not the second coming...Can't you people see the Alien aganda to explain away the Rapture?" HARPAZO! tHE FEAST IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE seven earth years! The bible speks in a code tense. Past and future tense. God dexigned it 4 Holy Spirit 2 teach
777godwithme 1 week ago
@777godwithmeTitus 1:14 Not giving heed to JEWISH FABLES, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
I base what I believe on what the BIBLE says, not on what some antichrist Jew teaches:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
sanderson1611 1 week ago
@sanderson1611 Jesus Christ instituted the Jewish belief system. He is Jewish, born through Davids seedline. I am not a disbeliever in Jesus. We who are believers are the real Jews. But needless to say, The original pre Pharisee church was obedient to God, and HE is the one who set up the Wedding Feast ceremony. Just as the sacrificial lamb offering as a representational reminder of the Christ to come. Jesus is God. Don't you know the Old Testament? It to is God's Holy Word. It all goes 2getther
777godwithme 3 days ago
Good thing I believe in The Word of God when it goes against The Bible. (how you get "I will be how I said I'm gonna be" from "EPHAH-ASHER-EPHAH," i don't know; but I get 'I am that I am' or 'I will be that I will be')
'"The Bible IS the Word of God" about as much as 'the math-textbook IS the rocket-ship.''
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cosmiccrank1 2 weeks ago
Killjoy.
ZLUGGO 2 weeks ago
The masochists. They enjoy suffering.
ZLUGGO 2 weeks ago
So,the rapture will happen after the Anti-Christs 7 year reign,and not before?
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@liw213 The antichrist doesn't reign for 7 years. He reigns for 42 months (3.5 years):
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
sanderson1611 4 weeks ago
at Mid Trib. the wise will leave
ManyCalledFewChosen 1 month ago
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
BlazyJon 1 month ago
God's elect people DOES include the Jews, Israelites, Messianics, Christians, etc..Basically aanyone that believes in him and follows his ways..Matter of fact, read Act and the FIRST ones to receive the Holy Spirit were JEWS. So if these jews still practiced Torah and received the holy spirit where do they fall??
joseymaru 1 month ago
Pretribbers say there are two second comings, that Christ will not land on the earth, what will happen during the seven years? Will they float around in the air? Will they go to heaven and then return with Him? Will the tribulation Saints also be raptured? Is there two raptures? Where is THAT in the Bible? Is the atmosphere of the earth, part of the earth? Is wrath the same as Tribulation?
GodsSeer 1 month ago
thx u Pastor Anderson 4 sharing the Truth from the Scriptures! it is unfortunate that many so-called "men of God" refuse 2 tell the complete,unvarnished truth from the Bible. all Scriptures r given 4 truth & should b obeyed! there will b NO RAPTURE (secret or otherwise;that teaching is a boldface lie)! take care, Pastor.
Qomowale 1 month ago
1. He's using the King James Bible, which is great
2. I don't like that he doesn't reference any other verses to strengthen his position, the Bible tells us to do that. (II Timothy 3:16) (Acts 17:11)
3. Wasn't Jesus and his apostales preaching to the Jews? The mystery of the Cross was later given to Paul by revelation by Jesus himself (This is the message to the church)
4. I think this pastor needs to rightly divide the word of truth. (II Timothy 2:15)
What do you think?
sinktool33 1 month ago
Very good. Indeed, the rapture takes place AFTER the TRIBULATION PERIOD, NOT BEFORE. AFTER the antichrist is revealed. AFTER the fall away. AFTER Israel is back in her land. AFTER the SUN and the MOON and other celestial disturbances. AFTER!!! Pre-trib isn't sound biblical doctrine. It's a lie.
Keep sharing the truth. God bless.
GizmoChicho 1 month ago
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That can be either an adjective or a pronoun. In this instance,it's an adjective.- Day is the noun.
dragonofparadise 2 months ago
That can be either an adjective or a pronoun. In this instance,it's an adjective.
dragonofparadise 2 months ago
@CoopersQuill Yes, I agree with you 100%. The only rapture is the last day. I am sorry the Baptists have followed the vision of a particular child, instead of the true, clear word of God found only in the Bible!
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Genocidioaquila 3 months ago
There is only one rapture : the day you die. It will happen for the most of us within ~80 years. That is the day we enter a most wonderful life provided for us by our Creator. Harold Camping was disappointed on May 21 and will be again on Oct 21. There is no second coming.
k0smon 3 months ago
how rare it is to find a Baptist preacher who will not support the false teaching of the secret pre-tribulation rapture of the church for most do. yes, there will be a rapture, but not before the last trumpet which is at the last day.
CoopersQuill 3 months ago 4
And in 1 Thessalonians 4 it says the Christians (dead or alive) will be caught up to meet the LORD in the air, look at the word IN THE AIR not in land but in the AIR so that will be the rapture and after that a span of time, then JESUS will appear in all His glory and power here on earth. and that span may be the great tribulation.
hope this helps, by the way I am not a bible student but this is what I believe in!
kcelpedes 3 months ago
@kcelpedes I forgot to include that 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN. Now go back and read Acts 3:21. Christ leaves heaven in 1st Thess.4:16 so Acts 3:21 prevents 1st Thess. 4:16 from being a pre-trib event.
eddienickels1 3 months ago
Which implies that look at the word THE SAME it means there are already saved and there will be more to come during the period. It does not say that they are saved through enduring but through enduring, those who have not come to Christ beforehand will see Him in His earthly reign.
kcelpedes 3 months ago
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 - RAPTURE
Mark 12:6-27 - TRIBULATION up to GLORIOUS APPEARING
Maybe we're not clear of what we're referring to. I believe that salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) but why is it said in verse 13 of Mark 12 that
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
kcelpedes 3 months ago
@kcelpedes You have missed one scripture that would make it immpossible for 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 to be a pre-tribulation event. That verse is Acts 3:21.
eddienickels1 3 months ago
@eddienickels1 brother, you may be mistaken,
"Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, ..."
If we refer back WHOM is referring to Jesus who will be in heaven UNTIL (until describes a swift change it speaks about a starting point) the times of restitution (it means compensation/ getting back the rule over the earth from the devil during the tribulation) ..., meaning the Glorious Appearing (NOT THE RAPTURE) is after the tribulation.
kcelpedes 3 months ago
@kcelpedes I am not wrong because what is restored are the things all God Holy Prophets spoke of. So go read the Prophets and you will find the answer.
eddienickels1 3 months ago
Revelation #:3 in the KJV says those who are watching will know what hour He shal come.
goldmakers 3 months ago
Poor young preacher needs to go to Bible school
If the rapture happens after the 7 year trib:
1 Why is the church not mentioned any where in Revelation 4-19
2. What about Daniels 70th week for "thy people" Israel
3. Why does the Bible say the church does not have an appointment with Gods wrath
4. Couldn't we just count 7 years after the man of sin is on the scene to know the day and the hour of Christ return
5. The bride is now the wife in Rev 19
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago 3
@jimthebaptist67 0. Nowhere does the Bible say "7 year tribulation." It doesn't last 7 years.
1. So what if "the church" isn't mentioned? "The saints" ARE mentioned. By the way, "tribulation" is never mentioned after chapter 7. So what?
2. God's people = the saved
3. God's wrath is not poured out until AFTER the tribulation
4. No, because the tribulation lasting 7 years is a myth.
5. The marriage takes place in Revelation 19:7 which is why the KJV says "IS come."
sanderson1611 4 months ago 6
@jimthebaptist67 You need to read the Bible, Rather than be decieved by the trafditional teachings of Man.
goldmakers 3 months ago
@goldmakers
Did you even read my post?
jimthebaptist67 3 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 Yes Jim I did. I agree with most of what you are saying.The Saints are mentioned in chapter 8:not yet raptured. then in the seventh seal they are taken up. Revelation is mostly past history as Jesus said these things must shortly come to pass. In our time frame they are mostly past. Q4. Yes, accourding to 2Th2 the only ones to whom the AC is revealed is the ones who loved the truth that they could be saved. The rest are sent delusions. There is a counting time to the end.
goldmakers 3 months ago
@goldmakers The tribulation is 3 1/2 years, within the time frame of what daniel called the "shabuwa". Daniel 9 24-27 there will be 62 shabuwa and 7 Shabuwas, The definition is a seven or a heptad-(seven), or seven shavuots=7years. The Man of sin confirms an existing "Covenant" not treaty,with many, not the world. He did it on Jan.20th 2009. 62 Shavuots after Jerusalem was restored. He will be in power 42 months. The Holy covenant is the US constitution. He will break it. WHo is a False Prof
goldmakers 3 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 That is human reasoning. To say just because the church is not mentioned after Rev.4. Wrath is in a DAY, and is NOT the same as Tribulation. Has the church ever suffered? Do all who live Godly in Christ, suffer persecution? How did the apostles die? Are they part of the bride? Are believers at this time being martyred in the world? Are we exempt from God's requiring miracle working faith?
GodsSeer 1 month ago
@jimthebaptist67 Sorry but the preacher is right.
1) It depends on your definition of the characters in Revelation
2) "Israel" can include Christians who are grafted in. Also note current day Israel is actually the house of Judah. The house of Israel was lost and spread throughout the world. (Hebrews 8:8). Research lost 10 tribes (recommend Stephen Collins books)
3) God's wrath is after the tribulation caused by the antichrist
alstoq 1 month ago
@jimthebaptist67
4) Do not be deceived for the day of our gathering together does not occur until the son of perdition is revealed. 2 Thes 2
5) Christians are also pictured as 10 virgins (bridesmaids) awaiting the return of the Groom and Bride. So your allegory breaks down then).
6) The first resurrection occurs very late in revelation (Rev 20:6) and this first resurrection occurs prior to the rapture (1 Thes 4:15-17)
Also correlate trumpets and clouds between Matthew 24 and 1 Thes 4:15-17
alstoq 1 month ago
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4) Do not be deceived for the day of our gathering together does not occur until the son of perdition is revealed. 2 Thes 2
5) Christians are also pictured as 10 virgins (bridesmaids) awaiting the return of the Groom and Bride. So your allegory breaks down then).
6) The first resurrection occurs very late in revelation (Rev 20:6) and this first resurrection occurs prior to the rapture (1 Thes 4:15-17)
Also correlate trumpets and clouds between Matthew 24 and 1 Thes 4:15-17
alstoq 1 month ago
See Feasts Of the Lord.Net in support of Pre Wrath rapture
ILJ4eTD 4 months ago
1 Thess 4:13-17 is talking about the Messiah's second coming. In verse 17 it says ""then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them..." The word remain in this passage is the Greek word περιλείπομαι [pe-rē-lā'-po-mī] which means to survive. Survive what? Great Tribulation. Also read the the Parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43. In verse 30 at the harvest (end of the age) the Tares are gathered FIRST, not the Wheat (righteous).
There is not rapture.
underground0331 4 months ago
1 Thess 4:13-17 is talking about the Messiah's second coming. In verse 17 it says ""then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them..." The word remain in this passage is the Greek word περιλείπομαι [pe-rē-lā'-po-mī] which means to survive. Survive what? Great Tribulation. Also read the the Parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43. In verse 30 at the harvest (end of the age) the Tares are gathered FIRST, not the Wheat (righteous).
There is not rapture.
underground0331 4 months ago
in matthew 24, it says jesus will come after the tribulation. i am sure of when, i asked in my heart but didn't go to the lord with the question. because i kept saying to myself it wasn't a big deal and it was probably pre tribulation, but then out of nowhere i came across those verses, the lord knew what i pondered in my heart, and he answered me even though i didn't ask.
IWantToKnowChrist 5 months ago
"That" is not a pronoun.
msjreg 5 months ago
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Ravenous11yt 5 months ago
The one taken from the field is taken by Antichrist.
zumadale 5 months ago
Pre-Trib ... AKA any-moment-now ... is the Mark of the Beast "in" your forehead. It sets you up to worship the "first" supernatural being to set foot on this Earth. Who is that supernatural being? The most beautiful Angel ever created by God, Lucifer. He's going to come in the clouds, with an Army of Angels (who'll again find the daughters of Adam very beautiful and will be taking and giving in marriage with them.)
zumadale 5 months ago
I have to disagree with you regarding a post tribulation Rapture. Why would God punish those alive in Christ with the horrors of the tribulation and the dead in Christ would not be punished?
I believe the elect spoken of in Matthew 24 refers to those saved during the tribulation by God's two witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses of Revelation. I believe the Rapture described in 1 Thessalonians 4 is a different event than the event described in Matthew 24.
DiscipleofElijah 5 months ago
@DiscipleofElijah So you think Paul(Saul), Peter, Stephen and many others who are dead in Christ that they did not have horrors of being stoned to death or beheaded or crucified. No they did not they counted it as a service to Christ. Do you think you are better than them?
eddienickels1 5 months ago
@eddienickels1; I don't believe I am better than any other saved person.
I'll ASSUME you have read the last line of 1 Thess. 4:16 (KJV). Do you really believe that someone who was saved and died a natural death, that when they are raised God is going to say; "You were not stoned, beheaded or crucified, therefore you must go through the tribulation?"
The saved, dead or alive will not go through the tribulation, they will be raptured prior to the tribulation.
DiscipleofElijah 5 months ago
@DiscipleofElijah The pre-trib so called "rapture" is a false teaching and 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 cannot be a pre-trib event. So your assumption of what God would say is impossible to start with and a ridiculous opinion of my comment but that is typical of a pre-tribber All opinion and zero truth.
eddienickels1 5 months ago
@eddienickels: response to email. Eddie! I still believe! If there is no rapture its still not a problem. You have such a Pharisee spirit on you! I'm not worried because I will not stick around and will manage to die immediately! I still get to be with the Lord. I am not going through all that. You really worship this Paster whatever his name is. No, no, no You are breaking the 1st commandment....people worry about the stupidist things!
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas The stupidist thing is to say there is a so called pre-tribulation "rapture". Next time click reply on one of my comments because I already know the tricks of pre-tribbers who do not want a rebuttal if they can't block me. Now for saying I worship this pastor I have not watched but one or two of his videos to see where he stands so you are bearing false witness against me. Do you know which of the 10 commandments that is? Because that would make you a LIAR. Are you a LIAR?
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 I'm not avoiding you EN! I've been a little busy. No tricks. Your comments lead me to believe you worship this Pastor & all he says is the "gospel truth." You are angry because I disagree that he is something special. I am not a liar, I believe what I say is truth. You are very defensive over this Man, a little too much. Yes, I say "worship." Put on a pedastal. You removed 1 of my comments to you about him. Why? I'm not going to be drawn into your drama. Be blessed.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
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@MamasitaDeVegas I know you are lying now because I never did remove one of your comments. Do you know what the Bible says about liars?
eddienickels1 6 months ago
If this man was God's anointed, he would know the rapture and the 2nd coming are two separate incidents. He has no business being behind a pulpit or anything else. This is a perfect example of "a Pharisee Spirit." This is the reason people no longer want to go to church.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas Where in the Bible did Jesus Christ say I will come again twice? That is a ridiculous assumption.
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 That's my point. He didn't say He was coming twice. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. "TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR." Rev 19:14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Rev 19:16 His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. No assumption In Bible
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN. Now go to Acts 3:21 it says he must stay in Heaven until all things are restored that was spoken of by Gods prophets. Now go to Joel 2:32 and you will see that the last of Gods people the remnant happens when Christ returns at the great and terrible day of the Lord. Same as Matthew 24:29 after the tribulation not two separate events.
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 There are 3 heavenly realms. He doesn't come down on "earth" In 1998 I have a vision of the rapture. I thought it was happening for real. Exciting! As I floated upwards I looked down at the earth. Thousands of souls were coming up. Jesus was up there greeting everyone. We all floated past him upwards moving on into the 3rd realm. Yes, he descended to meet his kids. He set foot on the earth. I believe my vision is accurate. Still says TO MEET IN THE AIR amen?
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 Correction EN I ran out of space. He never set foot on the earth. He just floated as he greeted us. Thanks.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas The Bible says Jesus Christ touches his feet to the Mt. of Olives. Zechariah 14:4
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 Yes! I'm in agreement. When He comes back on His horse. The Second coming of the Christ. Many do not believe in the rapture & that's ok. No argument. It all comes down to faith. I believe it is real. I saw it. Many will not go up because they do not believe. I can only relay what I know, what is truth to me so those who have not heard an explanation can "CHOOSE' for themselves.God gives us wisdom when we ask Him. God bless you.They will go through the Trib for their unbelief.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas You are standing in judgement of people who don't believe the same as you. That they are not worthy of Gods mercy. Shame on you. I hope God forgives all you so called pre-tribulation so called "rapture" believers for standing in judgement of Gods people.
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 I am not standing in judgment of anyone. I am quoting scripture to you. Shame on you for misleading people to say: they must go through the tribulation. I never said they are not worthy, those are your words. God doesn't condemn me or anyone for having faith in His word. When judgment come from God, the time for mercy is past. I don't condemn or judge you. I pray all believers will open their eyes before its too late. Shame on you sir.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas You must be crazy. Here is a quote of yours " They will go through the Trib for their unbelief"
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 I am quite lucid! If one doesn't believe in the Pre-Trib rapture it is because they have no faith in that. A.K.A "Unbelief." Correct me if I am wrong, all who do not go up in the rapture will go through the tribulation, yes? If one believes in the rapture, they will not go through the tribulation. They will be in heaven dining at the Omni Presence Holy dining room with the Lamb of God. The Lambs Supper. Clear?
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas To start with your so called pre-tribulation "rapture" is a lie. The only one teaching a false doctrine here is you. To have unbelief for something that is not going to happen is a good thing. So if you are still alive when the tribulation starts don't fall away because you will then see you are wrong.
eddienickels1 6 months ago
@eddienickels1 Mr. Nickles thanks, but no thanks. I don't care to listen any more of your false prophet teacher. My opinion, which I am entitled to. When a Pastor calls another a bastard for evangelizes I have no respect for the 'MAN OF GOD" that does so. False prophets come in all shapes and sizes. Best of all to you. I do believe your responses are not your own thoughts, but that of your teacher.
MamasitaDeVegas 6 months ago
pride is of the devil!!! listen to this guy!!! he is not humble!!! knowledge puffs you up!!! he is trying to be the most knowledgeble!! he who thinks he is the wisest becomes a fool!!! he doesnt walk in the fruits of the spirit!!! thats what real believers do!! just another fool on the pulpit!!! follow Jesus not foolish pastors!!!
rafyraf100 6 months ago
so you have to be a baptist if the bible is your authority? your arrogance and pride kills me. you are a very religious man. and religion is what got Christ crucified. you remind me of the pharisees. i agree with this sermon but your attitude will win no one to Jesus.
mwwood79 6 months ago
This guy shouldn't be a preacher. He picks and chooses the verses he wants to prove his point.
julieification 6 months ago
Preach it brother! Christians need to prepare for the trib. U will suffer the era of the mark of the beast. How will u survive if u cant buy or sell. Grow it? No! HR2751 passed in Jan. BO signed it. You now need permits and fees in the US to grow anything. U must prepare or your family will die. Become Sustainable BIOSPHARMS has the info u need. Sub to Biospharms.
biospharms 7 months ago
this is one for all to consider: all the different denominations claim to be right... but, when you look at them, which of them truly are different??? none religion is something we as ppl have defined... there is one true religion: taking care of the widows and orphans, not bowing to some roman laws cause some guy in a suit... Math.23:10 we have one MASTER and every other soul on this planet is equal... follow GODS LAWS and forget what a man tells you, this is how you will please HIM...
TheWatchmen001 7 months ago
To have Church saints and tribulation saints seperate is NOT Biblical, no scripture supports such nonsense.
If that were true, then that would mean there's multiple raptures, and that the bride of Christ is taken up in pieces? Does that make sense? Is that Biblical? No
SpaceAboveSky 7 months ago
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Romans 5 we[c] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
SpaceAboveSky 7 months ago
Matt 24 tells you the signs that precede the Rapture, or our gathering to Him. It tells us that Jesus will be seen as LIGHTING IN THE SKY FLASHES from the easy as for as the west, so will the Coming of Man be. There is only one 2nd coming. The tribes of the Earth will mourn when they see him come down upon the clouds (Rev 6) and you will see the signs spoken of in Mat 24 come to pass and then the Angels gather the elect from the four winds of the Earth. God Bless seek truth before our perception
SpaceAboveSky 7 months ago
2nd Thess Chapter 2 Tells us that The Day of the Lord, and our gathering to Him, will NOT happen UNTIL there's a falling away, or a departure from the Faith. And then the man of lawlessness (as spoken of by Daniel the prophet, and Jesus) is revealed. THEN, the day of the Lord will happen and our gathering to HIm. Paul says it's the same day. 1 Cor 15 tells us the dead will rise first, then the remaining living. 1 and 2 thess tell us the same thing.
SpaceAboveSky 7 months ago
This preacher has obviously not read the Bible enough about the Rapture. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says " For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." Now the Great Tribulation is a time of great wrath. Matthew 24:42 " Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." In other words Pastor, He could come at anytime. Btw, it is not whether you are baptist, pentecostal, methodist or non-denominational. It is whether or not you are saved.
jesusfreakchild 7 months ago
Great! Except for the 'baptist' part. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.
ez33watchman 8 months ago
@ez33watchman Baptists Catholics, pentecostals, etc etc are all believers either way. Satan wants discord within the body of Christ, if you think about it every denomination is there because God wants it that way! Times are biblical here folks, it is going to get a lot worse than things are now, the body needs to unite not encourage strife and division. God Bless, Yahweh is our Salvation Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world!!!
gammafreak 7 months ago
@gammafreak Saying God wants the denominations is a lie! Read Matthew 12:25
eddienickels1 7 months ago
@gammafreak Things are going to get worse and we do need to unite. But how shall we unite? Shall we just forget when people are being decieved and lead to hell for the sake of "unity?" Should we walk hand in hand with "denominations" that teach things that are completely opposite of what scripture says? If the body is to be united, it must be through God's word. Not through pushing aside differences. We must conform to His word! These denominations didn't come about for God's pleasure!next reply
ez33watchman 7 months ago
@gammafreak Why would God want His people divided about what He said to do? He wants us to not harden our hearts when we hear His voice. Do some research on Catholics. They teach a works salvation. Also Pentecostals teach a works salvation and demonic influence. I'm not going to keep going. Read the bible and pray. look at what these denominations teach and what Christ said. If they are different, who is wrong?
ez33watchman 7 months ago
@ez33watchman all denominations are wrong to some extent... the thing is, the scripture tells us all to work-out your own salvation with fear and trembling and study to show yourself approved before GOD... all denominations celebrate pagan holidays and my favorite; they say it is impossible to follow GODS LAW but, they sure do follow mans roman pagan law cause they may get a ticket or put in jail... they go along with evil just to get along with evil but they will all meet the judge...
TheWatchmen001 7 months ago
@TheWatchmen001 Oh yea, they have many issues. Thats why I stay away. I stay away from all the holidays too. I agree. There is a judgment coming! Thats why they must be warned.
ez33watchman 7 months ago
FUcker rambled on and made no FUCKING sense, goddammit!
WildManChris2000 8 months ago
PREACH IT
AsisterofChrist 8 months ago
If you want to be here for the tribulation, go for it. I dont plan on being here.
godisgreat82ify 8 months ago
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
2 timothy 2:15 expound on that
hachetman855 8 months ago
@hachetman855 Well your own words prove there is no pre-trib so called "rapture". By saying there is a group of people who are restored to God during the tribulation causes Acts 3:21 to be the proof that Christ can't return until after the tribulation has begun.
eddienickels1 8 months ago
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
2 timothy 2:15 expound on that
if you dont think theres a difference tell me about 1 john...
hachetman855 8 months ago
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ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
hachetman855 8 months ago
ridiculous...this gentlemen obviously doesnt know how to rightly divide the word of truth...he obviously doesnt know the difference between church saints and tribulation saints
hachetman855 8 months ago
I think the problem is that people confuse the tribulation of the saints with the punishment of Babylon... Jesus returns because the outcry is great and the fullness of the martyrs comes, and then the cup of God's wrath which Babylon filled up full of their blood, God pours back out to her twofold.
krononomikon 8 months ago
I think the rapture will take place after tribulation simply because it is written for us to know. why would it be there if we were not going to be here?
terrigreen100 8 months ago
@terrigreen100 I agree it wouldnt be there if we werent supposed to face it.
castersen13 8 months ago
HMMmmm.... I am reading alot of judging and criticising remarks. If christians can't get along with other christians then why would anyone else want to be a christian???? I know that I am just a back woods redneck but isnt it said that a house devided against its self can not stand????
MrModernproblems 9 months ago
@MrModernproblems You are correct about that. But it also says Judgement begins with the house of God. Only one view can be right . So a loving Christian will keep giving their opposing view so the undecided can see the truth.
eddienickels1 9 months ago
HMMmmm.... I am reading alot of judging and criticising remarks. If christians can't get along with other christians then why would anyone else want to be a christian???? I know that I am just a back woods redneck but isnt it said that a house devided against its self can not stand????
MrModernproblems 9 months ago
im a pentacostal that dont believe in pre trib! does that make me a baptist?
4jesus1981 9 months ago
@4jesus1981 I was raise in the pentecostal church and I know the pre-trib so called "rapture" is a lie.
eddienickels1 9 months ago
@4jesus1981 i was raised pentecostal and now that i am older and can study and understand for myself, i find that upc is going along with this evil system just as much as everyone of the other religions and none of them are doing what the book says... they bow to pagan roman laws just like all the rest and go along to get along, they send their kids to the same pagan schools never heading what the book says about not leading kids away, so i cant see any difference in any denomination...
TheWatchmen001 7 months ago
tell me when the tribulation will come....i mean think
HighHippy101 9 months ago
I don't hear the spirit of truth in this man. Mr. Anderson does not know God and his COVENANT WITH ISRAEL, WHO ARE HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, ALONG WITH THE CHURCH. Esphesians 3:6- says the Gentiles (the Church), together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. THIS IS A NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE! Peachers who don't know what they are talking about should not be preaching.
ldhlovesjesus2 9 months ago
Christians like you are the reason Christ is not recognized. If you ask, I will politely explain that.
Beulah502 9 months ago
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im with you on that, i mean sure it says AFTER THE TRIBULATION....can you tell me a DAY OR HOUR of the tribulation? NO? didnt think so, i mean for a guy who likes grammer he clearly isnt much for semantics
HighHippy101 9 months ago
This is confusing because He will return pre-trib but the so-called Rapture, a word invented by the Churches, not in the Bible, but what is meant by the Rapture is that
He will not be recognized until after the tribulations;. He comes as a thief in the night.
Beulah502 9 months ago
@Beulah502 Show me one Bible verse where it says Christ returns to so called "rapture" his Church but does not make any noise. It sure can't be 1st Thessalonians 4:17. Which is the verse all pre-tribbers use as their "rapture" verse.
eddienickels1 9 months ago
Every comment I read on this thread just gives full example of why America is in the spiritual state it's in. If any of you had the relationship with the Lord that you should have you would spend your time furthering His ministry, not arguing about interpretation. Just goes to show- "professing themselves as wise they became as fools" I am taking this verse slightly out of context, but I think it fits well enough. "You do error in not knowing the scriptures", at least not in whole cause it's no
dslone3 9 months ago
@dslone3
and you do error in casting judgement and thus leave yourself a hypocrite...so whats your point...and if one does not have an ACCURATE understanding of what they believe..then how can they even believe it, its like saying ya i believe in evolution, i think everything grew up from a little tiny pink monkey...i mean your whole arguement makes no sense./..and keep in mind you are also arguing with us, and thus contradicting your own statement..so learn to speak before you try
HighHippy101 9 months ago
you peace of shit
carbonfconfusion 9 months ago
For any pre-tribulation believer I would like to ask some questions 1) Do you have to be dead to be resurrected ?2) When are dead in Christ raised ? 3) when do we appear before Jesus without sin ? 4) Would you please use three verses of the scriptures?
thetruthimpart 9 months ago
ou would think the desire to go through the tribulation would be as popular as the desire to jump into a pit filled with vipers and broken glass. As illogical as it may seem, there appears to be a large number of Christians that fully expect to get roughed up before Christ returns. Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government.
Bhatch2007 10 months ago
Why don't the Christians that are killed during the Tribulation Period get Raptured (go to Heaven)? Revelation 20:4-6
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 they will rise when jesus returns,they will meet the lord in the air first then those who are alive we then join them,when we die we are waiting in our graves till the dead hear Gods voice and his trumpet call,the dead trib saints dont go before the dead before them.
andymcq2509 10 months ago
@andymcq2509 Sorry, that is quite WRONG. They NEVER "meet Christ" in the air. They are only "resurrected", they NEVER "ascend" into Heaven, like the 2 murdered Witnesses of Revelation 11; like the 144,000 Jewish Pastors in Revelation 14; Not like John in Revelation 4:1-5 (See the 24 elders - 12 Apostles & 12 Representatives of Israel (Prophets?). They are in Heaven with their Crowns. We receive our Crowns when we're in Heaven WITH Jesus. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 is BEFORE any seals are opened
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 To start with your question is wrongly asked. Because "rapture" comes from the Latin word raptus meaning caught up not go to Heaven. Second if you are trying to bait someone for an arguement anyone can see you don't understand what your are trying to do because ressurected is what happens to the dead or killed not "raptured".
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 I've debated you for 9 pages & I won't state my case for you again. Rapture = Greek HARPAZO
Rapture = Latan RAPERE Both mean: Snatched away quickly - to remove suddenly Caught up Those killed during the Tribulation are NOT Raputred
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I thought you said and I quote "Raptured(go to Heaven)"
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 Where do you think they are RAPTURED to? Raptured = goes to Heaven very quickly Ascension = goes to Heaven SLOWLY like Jesus did & the 2 Witnesses do in Revelation 11, in front of people. Raptured is the term used because we disappear VERY QUICKLY, VERY SUDDENLY, in the "twinkling of an eye", that has been estimated at about 1/6 of a nanosecond. I still recommend that your read your Bible. I thought I already gave you the definations of Rapture & Ascension. didn't I???
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 There you go with the condescending remarks again. Recommend I read my Bible. No where does it say rapture means quick to Heaven. In the twinkling of an eye is about the transformation of the body not a rapid trip to Heaven. When it says caught up to Heaven in the Bible it does not always mean a so called "rapture" event. If anyone believes the things you teach I feel sorry for them.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Oh I forgot to answer your question. When a post-trib seconding coming occurs we are caught up(raptured), after the dead in Christ rise first, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with him. Then we go with him to set up his Kingdom for the 1000 year reign. No where does it say we go to Heaven after he receives us unto himself.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 Eddie, if you believe in a post-trib Rapture then why aren't the Christians that were killed DURING the whole Tribulation Raptured? They are merely "resurrected", brought back to life to go into the Kingdom. Revelation 20:4-6 THEY ARE NEVER RAPTURED!! If you go into any part of the Great Tribulation, which starts at the First Seal, YOU WILL NEVER BE RAPTURED. Read Rev. 1:10 - Jesus' "voice sounding like a trumpet..." Rev. 4:1 same "...voice sounding like a trumpet..." RAPTURE
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 1st Thessalonians 4:16 says the dead in Christ shall rise first. It does not say the dead will be caught up(raptured). Revelation 20:5 explains about the first ressurection which is the same event spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:16. You will have to prove to me where it says in the Bible if you go into the tribulation you will not be caught up to meet Christ in the air. Spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:17.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord - so who are we in this verse and who are them that are being caught up (TOGETHER)
thetruthimpart 9 months ago
@thetruthimpart Lets start with the fact that the so called "rapture" is not the whole event. Spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17. If "rapture" from the latin raptus means for you caught up . Then only the alive are caught up. The dead are resurrected. So Lets say this again. We which are alive and remain(survive) shall be caught up,,,,,,,,, together with them in the clouds. Going back the dead in Christ shall rise first. They are already in the clouds. We are the alive that SURVIVE
eddienickels1 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 fact 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. WE TOGETHER WITH THEM 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
thetruthimpart 9 months ago
@thetruthimpart Post-trib all the way.
eddienickels1 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 keep looking up and take no mark from no man
thetruthimpart 9 months ago
@eddienickels1 i just pray that as things continue to get worse and all these ppl who believe they are so great as to not have to endure the tribulation of the saints and the shaking of this world that He can somehow bring them through for most are already lost due to listening to a man and not reading the WORD as it is written... but most of those ppl dont even understand this country is doomed already and under the judgement of the KING...
TheWatchmen001 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Continued,,,, If you think the word merely has anything to do with what God does at Christ's return you don't have a clue about the ressurection power of God. Once again I feel sorry for anyone who accepts you interpretation of scriptures of the Bible. So get this raptured does not mean go to Heaven. It comes from the Latin word raptus which means caught up. So you just show me once where the word rapture is used in the Bible.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 Eddie, you can deny all you want. I am now dusting off my sandals.
JesusHoldMyHand1 10 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I wearing high top cowboy boots to keep from getting on me what you are spreading.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start. First of all Matthew 24:29 is not speaking of the rapture. It is speaking of the Second coming of Christ to earth after the tribulation. He is not coming in the cloud he is coming to the earth in Judgement. Second God is not finished with the Jew. We are now living in the church age. When the rapture occurs God will begin again to deal with his chosen people the Jews. The elect that in Matthew 24:31 is the Jew.
jds1999 10 months ago
@jds1999 Show me in the Bible where it says the Elect of Matthew 24:31 are Jews.Now if your so called "rapture" happens between Christ coming to die for our sins and his SECOND coming what is its numerical position? Is it his 1.5 return ? Read Acts 3:21 and Revelation 10:7 see if you find an answer. I want scriptures for your proof.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@RANJO517 God Bless you brother. Never lose the blessed hope! Continue spreading the truth and fighting the good fight of faith, and directing brothers and sisters to the King James Bible. Maranatha!!
TheKJVberean 10 months ago
Ultimately, it's up to the individual to make the choice of what to believe based on his/her hermeneutics concerning eschatological doctrine. That said, ALL scripture dealing with events surrounding and leading to the return of the Lord, should be kept in context not only historically, but culturally as well. Scripture wasn't written in english, nor was it written in a modern-western frame of mind.
r3ality357 10 months ago
At the midnight cry I'll be going home! You can deny the pre trib rapture all you want, but I am out of here when that trump of God sounds. Which is BEFORE the tribulation.
TheKJVberean 10 months ago
@TheKJVberean >>> amen brother..... my KJV clearly states that the trump will sound and the 'dead in Christ' will raised up to meet him (Jesus) in the clouds and 'we (living believers) ' that are left will be 'caught up 'to join him. That's pretty cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Enjoy your time in the tribulation...... I'll be watching from above!! GOD bless and have a great day!!
RANJO517 10 months ago
@RANJO517 Explain the cut and dried part to me where do you go after you are caught up. I want scripture for proof.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
@eddienickels1 >> Eddie ole buddy, If 'proof' landed in your lap you still wouldn't believe in the 'LORD JESUS CHRIST'!!. It's a shame because as a Christian, I'm suppose to love you and all those who are 'lost'. I will keep praying for you but I won't continue to engagae in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Have a great 'forever'!
RANJO517 10 months ago
@RANJO517 Your babble does not prove anything. Plus your attitude proves plenty.
eddienickels1 10 months ago
Amen brother .... i grew up in a babtist church myself but i do not find any real proof in the bible regarding a pre-tribulation ... sorry guys we are probably going to have a hard time and in the tribulation. God help us and guide us!
gudnyrasmussen 11 months ago
This poor guy is an idiot.
JSA1957 11 months ago
its clear this guy doesn't understand the scripture. In no wise has he refuted the biblcal doctirne of pre-trib rapture.
BCJ5297 11 months ago
Noah... not noey.. eh??
rlew5 11 months ago
Immediately after the tribulation in Mat. 24:29 is immediately after the 1st 1/2 of Daniel's 70th wk according to Jesus in Lk 17:29-37 and Mat.24:15-22. See also Dan. 12:1-3. The day of the Lord is a doomsday scenario Lk 25-28 and a visible coming.
SRamdhani1 11 months ago
Immediately after the tribulation in Mat.24:29 is immediately after the 1st 3 1/2 yrs of Daniel's 70th wk according to Jesus in Lk 17:26-37 and Mat.24:15-22. No man knows the day or the hour when that day will come. The day of the Lord is the visible Second Coming of Christ & the Resurrection of the just.
SRamdhani1 11 months ago
Does is it matter when Jesus comes for his bride? Why are we spending so much time calculating when? Learn his words and get out there to spread the gospel and help your brothers at while walking in Jesus Christ's footsteps. If anything this world will need bible beating Christians when all is dark to help our brothers repent. Come on guys wake up to what's coming. please.
Biblehastheanswer 11 months ago
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The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel. (Mark 1:15) Please look up these verses:
Proverbs 20:9, Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, Hebrews 9:27, Mark 16:16, Matthew 25:31, John 5:22, 2Thessalonians 1:7-9, Revelation 20:15, Acts 4:12, John 1:12, 1John 1:9, Ephesians 1:7, 1Thessalonians 5:9, Ephesians 2:8, Acts 2:38, Matthew 28:19-20
Ryabtg 11 months ago
His theory is that pre trib doctrine was invented by crooked preachers in order to get money and offerings quicker. Interesting theory . He makes a good point from scripture as to the post trib view. It seems to make more sense than a pre trib because everyone agrees that Jesus returns after the trib , but if he comes down to the sky for the pre tribbers and then again after the trib , then he would be technically coming back twice and that is not scriptural , I think .
marleonetti5 11 months ago
Sounds like he is saying that the tribulation will be a tip off in regards to Christ's return , but if it were that simple , then all the parables about people being taken by surprise would not make sense because we can all just wait until the trib and then get it right at that time. Could it be that when the trib is here that we all may not necessarily realize it ? That is how the bible seems to make it sound if you pay attention to the parables and prophesies.
marleonetti5 11 months ago
Matthew 24 &25 are not speaking about a pre trib rapture but the second coming so this argument falls flat. The apostle Paul alone received the revelations of the mystery of Christ which included the rapture so all scripture outside his writings are the second coming at the end of the tribulation. The Church which is Christ's body has no part in the prophetic plan for Israel and its Tribulation which Matthew is speaking about. Regards Dennis
lovecapella 11 months ago
I mean no disrespect to you, however, you don't know what you're talking about. It's sad when people try to make doctrine without studying the scriptures in their entirety. You've missed so much that it's ridiculous. You're interpretation is extremely superficial and lacking. Please take the blinders off and study what the bible says, not what you want it to say.
Cheers!
PeteZuhutt 11 months ago
@PeteZuhutt I believe I got a word of knowledge we will be here at least long enough to accept or reject the mark of the beast. I hope I'm mistaken.
TheGraceofChrist 11 months ago
@TheGraceofChrist We will be challenged, absolutely! Revelation says we will be killed and we must endure until the end proclaiming Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Lord. He gave us his blood. We should be preparing ourselves spiritually for facing persecution and death of this life. I believe once Christians are all eliminated (killed) for not accepting the new age leader, the great darkness then will fall upon the earth. Much love and praise Jesus Christ!
Biblehastheanswer 11 months ago
@Biblehastheanswer Do you think we should also have supplies? I'm trying not too be anxious, just seems like our economy's ready to collapse at any time. Praise God!...I WILL praise Him at all times!
TheGraceofChrist 11 months ago
@TheGraceofChrist I know it's terrifying. I believe we are going to see next near the darkest time of the earth. The darkest times will be after all Christians are eliminated. Trust me, if you take away God's people, it will get dark. These people have no idea what shoes they are stepping on, but we just need to pray for them and love them, even when they are persecuting us. I'm going to stock up food and water - not for me but for everyone else that's going to be caught off guard.
Biblehastheanswer 11 months ago
@TheGraceofChrist I'm not sure how this is going to go down. God tells us to submit to authorities, love those that persecute you, and follow the law up to when they demand we renounce Christ as God in the flesh. All that refuse will be deemed criminals, extremists, nonevolving, etc. So be prepared for that. Just like Jesus they won't make it honorable. We are Sheep to our Shepard. Our blood for him, but he's coming back, and we won't have any more evil. I pray for you in these days ahead
Biblehastheanswer 11 months ago