Why "God is a Logical Being" Arguments Fail

[dinopad10]

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[MrPathanStyle]

why do atheists only believe in physical reality?

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle Because it's high on verifiability.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

Neither can you show me strings which are the building blocks of atomic matter. But it simply fulfills the other questions. So if science can accept things which cannot be directly proven, than religion should have the same rights. Unless if you choose not to follow any religion :)

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle those strings kinda doesn't even matter, cuz we can directly observe atoms. The verifiability in science is higher by a magnitude than that of religions anyway, but I agree that it's impossible to dismiss any idea of a god before knowing all conditions, no matter how improbable.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

Good you admit that you cannot prove strings. We cannot show you God either. But the complex and perfect working universe and the complex brain you have is the evidence of God. These things cannot come by accident. The chance that a shark bites you right now is 1/250000000. And imagine if a sharks bites you right now, you would never believe it came by accident. You would think.... that there is SOMETHING behind it. So that is INDIRECT evidence. Same argument used in string theory.

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle And here you fail completely. There's no logic in what you said, this is the most common illogical "argument" which in fact stars with an assumption, that complex can't be accident. But I suggest you watch the guy in video again, because, that won't lead you anywhere. Even if it's true it has nothing to do with some vaguely anthropomorphized god idea. There's like a ton of different other possibilities, both including and excluding various anthropomorphic properties.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

This video didnt convinced me. I believe also in other realities because it fulfills my questions. I dont see the failure, you know exactly what I mean when I speak about complex entities. Neither do I believe in God taking human forms. He is does not depend on matter, space and time. These are his creations. The universe itself is a relative entity, so for sure you need a frame of reference beyond physical reality in order to define this universe as something which exist.

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle lol "frame of reference beyond physical reality in order to define this universe as something which exist." and you still go on claiming gods existence. Attributing him some "outside universe" properties of which you can't possibly have no idea about. And anthropomorph doesn't mean human form, it can mean thinking ability and such. I don't get why people necessarily need a god there to be, are you so afraid of not knowing, because that's really the only option here.

[MrPathanStyle]

Its not really about not having the answer. Im just not arrogant :). But I notice now all the time that im speaking nonsense according to you. Im putting forward my believe and my way of thinking and you see me criticizing Atheïsm. The only reply you give me is either a laugh or saying im speaking nonsense. Is this the rationality Atheists are talking about? Neither do I believe God thinks, he doesnt need to think because creating ideas is not a limiting determining step during his creations.

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle well, cuz you are speaking nonsense and I'm not offended by you criticizing atheism, cuz your not, anyway. I'm criticizing your belief which is nothing but nonsense, in all posts including this one you claim stuff about god which you can't possibly know. This last one is extremely ridiculous. No need for thinking to come up with ideas? seriously? I mean, what do expect as a reaction? Not to mention, you again give your god attributes.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

Yes im speaking nonsense. Tipically what Atheist do and claim. When you argue against them because you dont agree with them, then you are either illogical, speaking nonsense, funny or simply stupid. And then I must accept that Atheists are very intelligent. Your statements about God has no logical background and neither this video. If your definition of 'logic' and 'proof' has no room for God and spirituality. Then you should not enforce me to follow your dogmatic way of life :)

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle lol, I don't enforce anything, I don't care what you follow as long as you don't contribute to spreading bad ideas (religions, cults w/e) and really you're putting into atheism way more than there is, it's not a liftestyle, lol, look it up. It's simple and it's true, because it's essentially nothing absolute, it's not a pozitive claim. And what my statements about god?, I didn't make any, you did, and making any isn't really logical, cuz you don't know if god is and/or how it is.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

You know what I mean by lifestyle. I simply mean that your moral values has roots towards Atheism. You are enforcing me indeed because I have to adjust myself to your standards and definitions. Why u dont like it when we preach something 'wrong'. After you die, you dont go anywhere anyway, so leave us alone. Furthermore, I have already explained that God is absolute. I gave you all the information. Now its up to you to also recieve this information in your mind instead of closing it.

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle You're putting yourself in some kind of discriminatory box, so you have a position from which you can defend against, which isn't the case. You can believe anything you want as long as that doesn't mess up the already pretty much messed-up society. It's not like there's some crazy ideas behind atheism, which dictate ill morals. Most atheists and atheists in general are usually pretty non-deviant people. And god is absolute? I have no idea what does that even mean.

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

I see all the time ur just expressing your opinion instead of trying to counter my arguments. And furthermore, a God being absolute simply means he has no frame of reference, do u have some basic knowledge of science?

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle lol, you just getting more and more ridiculous. What arguments?, you have none, just random assertions, where's your evidence, especially since you're mentioning science and saying there's no reference frame for god, lol. Do even understand what your talking about at this point?

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

I think ur one of those Atheists claiming to have a PhD in science while they dont even know the basics of science. I have put several arguments and the only thing your trying to say is 'ur wrong and Im right', thats exactly what atheists say about theists, lol. Hypocrisy? I wont waste my time with low educated and arrogant ppl. Go and spread your religion to other ppl

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle It seems you have no education yourself, you probably have no idea whats a scientific method, if you did, you would call your assertions arguments or proofs. And how am i spreading any religion?

[MrPathanStyle]

@Trinivalts

You are spreading your religion by trying to make fun of Theists. Yes im very uneducated, im very stupid, im wrong and you are right in every point. Happy now? Im studying chemical engineering right now and I have a full background of physics. Now believe me or not, I dont care. But I made my statements very clear. But if you simply DONT WANT TO understand, then I cant help you. If you remove your arrogance, then God will guide you :)

[Trinivalts]

@MrPathanStyle Wow, I didn't being skeptic and critical equals arrogance. I really don't see how chemical engineering exactly gives you any advantage about discussing god. You maybe made your statements clear, but that doesn't make them right. You simply believe that certain complexity = god/creationism. That's a common belief and there's nothing sort of a proof there.

[Yesitis808]

Someone once argued to me that 'god' IS logic... Someone else said "Of course you have to use circular reasoning, there's no other way". Don't you just love it when you realize that debating with someone is completely futile?

[stretmediq]

Here is an argument for a Deistic God: positivedeismDOTcom/phpbb2/vie­wtopicDOTphp?f=1&t=4222

[Surroundx]

I mean, if there is no reason to postulate the existence of an all-powerful God, except for the existence of existence, why the hell do we have religions whereby men blow themselves up only on the expectation of 72 virgins in heaven. Let alone the fact that there are so many of them.

[Surroundx]

Yet those who assert the general argument try to engineer it in such a way as to turn it into a specific one: "the Earth exists, therefore God exists in three separate yet united forms". Batshit.

[Surroundx]

There are two types of arguments for God: those which argue from a "the universe is clearly designed" point of view. And those which argue from a scripture point of view: "because its written it must be true". The former argues from a general point of view, and the latter a specific one.

[ccyanide92]

i love this video cause, most christians cant like argue back cause you challeneged what they always said head on, this is perfect :) faviroted!

[HybridD91]

Logic isn't fun to theists, having faith makes them feel good and fluffy inside and is much easier to have faith rather than use logic.

[j03l5k1]

why your videos suck- your rants are boring

[bttsstewart]

@j03l5k1 He's just arguing and explaining stuff.... I'm sure if he could put cool animations and stuff in, he would.

[j03l5k1]

@bttsstewart yeah he just gets overwhelmed too easily and his self debates are sometimes in coherent.

hes funny sometimes with his dismissiveness.

I dont know why he buys into debating intelligent design, as there is no intelligence in people who believe in it.

pro tip- what do you get when you argue with an idiot?

2 idiots

[VaelVictus]

A bit unclear, but I think I understood you. As (I suppose), "a theist" with no "religion", I agree.

[goal2004]

"Apologetics, lol!"

Dude, you're brilliant :D

[FactVsReligion]

love you :D

[soulf2]

Is that a bong on the top shelf?

[SolRosenberg84]

Yes, several.

[MichealNBurress]

You should smoke blunts man, I had a glass fetish for a while then I learned to roll blunts. Blunts are where its at.

[taliajazel]

you're so much fun =D

[Dimbnd]

Apologetics LOL

[theprodigy2186]

@SolRosenberg84

I'm a theist. (more specifically panentheist)

And yet again I completely agree with one of your videos.

I am contemplating making a video response to you and trying to get a debate between you and I started...

I think we'd ACTUALLY come to some kind of an agreement... Which would through people for a loop...

Wuddo ya think?

[SolRosenberg84]

Sure, why not.

[theprodigy2186]

Nah, I was just kiddin' : P

[freedom0f5peech]

The cosmological argument proves Xenu.

[martialme84]

@freedom0f5peech yep, it does.

And all the other ones as fucking well....;)

[kiddhitta]

no matter the person, it could be the smartest person in the world(even though the smartest people in the world don't believe in god) could not succsefully argue the fact that god is real because no matter what it would always come back to you just have to believe in him because there is no real evidence that he is real

[theradioschizo]

"apologetics LOL"

that was my favourite part. Fuckin spot on.

[joegt123]

I can't believe any one actually uses this argument... There's nothing logical about a being whose existence has no substantial proof what-so-ever.

[DodieBoyys4Life]

Yeah, i don't like that idea but Im not one of those retards that say, "oh I dont like that so I wont believe it," yeah it sucks but shit, thats how I feel. Same with the bible, there are countless chapters missing, different religions have different chapters of there bible. Thats because they themselves said, "oh we don't like what god did here, fuck that we'll take it out" you'll never know the full STORY of the bible.

[DodieBoyys4Life]

Wow dood, I totally looked at god like Santa Claus and that other stupid shit. One day I jus matured and stopped believing, but I think the power of the message of a higher power is soooo strong, people started basing their entire lives around it sadly. And serioulsy, if there is a god,, how do we know which religions god is real and how do we know when anothers is false, so automatically a shit load of people will go to "hell" I dont like to say it but I think when you die you rot in the ground

[thedeeliciousplum]

Hi Sol,

If we take a look at all that has come to pass, we are being quite reasonable to state that turning a fable into truth & then trying to impose this deception on others is tantamount to nourishing unwarranted pathologies. As our species is moving right along through the sharing of knowledge & through building/encouraging legal systems/policy making that recognize all people as equal & that protection is doled out in such a manner...we will not need to bother with fables that are useless.

[mrx0066600]

It's when religions get specific and make rules, that is when they fail utterly.

For me it's fine to think well maybe there's a god. But to get specific about it, and clame he spoke to someone and gave him all the rules is utter nonses.

There's no proof for a god so all anyone can really say is that it's just a weak idea at best and leave it at that.

[KasparHauser4]

I think the christians you are talking to are just trying to tucker you out. To exhaust you. Just like breaking a spirited horse. Until you finally give in from sheer exhaustion.

[alphacause]

(continued from previous post) At most all these arguments prove, if they were true (which they ARENT), is that some vague and ineffable entity exists, which bears no significance to us on a day to day basis. Congratulations theists for, AT THE MOST, proving something that is irrelevant to our lives. Theistic apologetics, despite its veneer of sophistication, is tantamount to trying to prove the existence of a specific deity like Zeus, by merely pointing to lightening.

[alphacause]

SolRosenberg84, great video. I have said this repeatedly about all of the arguments for God's existence. Ultimately, God is the biggest non sequitur there is. Every argument that has been formulated by theists (the Kalam cosmological argument, the teleological argument, anthropic argument, ontological argument, transcendental argument, moral argument, and Pascal's wager) never proves the specific deity they were intended to prove (continued).

[upallhours9]

Well Said!

[ChaseKittens]

"apologetics LOL"

hahah exactly.

[TruthBeyond]

It's the same for saying evolution is flawed. Even if it is flawed, it doesn't prove any deity exists. It just proves that we don't know how we got here.

[orly444]

They usually pull a VenomFangX, by saying "Genesis 1:1 works for me just fine."

[alphacause]

TruthBeyond, you are absolutely correct. It never ceases to amaze me how theists never get this. You cannot go from being ignorant of how a particular phenomenon works, to saying that this proves the existence of something else, such as a God. Only in the absurd world of religious apologetics is the demonstration of our ignorance in one area proof of the existence of something else.

[CognosSquare]

Apologetics KTHXBAI!

[lnstrumentalist]

I believe my comment will be the third.

[The0riginking]

i agree

[sonicfast22]

1. first comment =D

2. this happens all the time XD they say god is logical when its not