Docm77´s Minecraft Special: The Birdcage - Inside Look

[darnadams]

Hey Doc I've just did this on my Multiplayer server and the mobs aren't spawning at all any help ?

[HumanGunz]

@darnadams I made a mob spawner before and it worked great in single player but in multi play it didn't work at all :( I think maybe because of the number of people you had online or maybe because how the server spawns mobs I'm not sure but I bet somebody will do a test video.

[ROFLETROFLE]

Will it work in the 1.2 pre reless

[MrSimonsimi]

OSSUM



[ToupTheMister]

how many blocks high?



[coinman1972]

Doc, what changes in the designs behavior have you noticed with the 1.0 release. What changes do you believe would be needed in the birdcage design. For example, someone posted earlier on this thread asking if the sign usage affected.

[ram07ish]

so if i want to turn this into an xp farm how far will they have to fall for me to be able to one shot kill them with my fist

[JHurley747]

@ram07ish 23 blocks leaves half a heart for zombies and skeletons, but you will need to place a block above their heads so they dont jump off the ledge and increase the falling distance- this wont allow endermen to spawn

[AleksanderAuf]

Bdoubleo

[ObvItalic]

BdoubleO !

[SoulSaneAngelis]

Doc, help me out. Does this farm work with 1.0? 1.0 has new mob behavior. They don't move around after a certain distance. :/ The only idea I had was to have them spawn on pressure plates and then push them, or every so often, flood the platforms with water.

[docm77]

@SoulSaneAngelis You just have to think about certain locations a bit. just stay inside a 40 block radius.

[speedydragon2000]

Bdub

[antflga72]

Bdub ;-)

[EnterTheDibble]

guess who sent me? ;)

[docm77]

@EnterTheDibble Bdub;-)

[GothicBloodGirl]

colorfull *-*

[BombEatingPacMan]

niicceeee *sub

[to80link]

Hey Doc.. why doesn't spiders spawn? The requirements for them to spawn is met on each and every floor of your design, solid block and two by two by two blocks. Oh yeah, BOO sent me and nice work :P

[SirJay8]

@to80link There's half slabs that block their spawning; if I'm correct, spiders need a 3 x 3 space to spawn

[to80link]

@SirJay8

They do ? They are only 2 by 1 in size and the wiki says 2 by 2 by 2 but then again, things might have changed and the wiki didn't :D

[SirJay8]

@to80link Yeah, I think. One thing I do know for sure is that the half slabs in the trap are to stop spiders from spawning, and they fulfill that job.

[docm77]

@to80link The setup I showed doesnt spawn spiders.

[FinalEx3cution]

B DUB!

[docm77]

@FinalEx3cution B DUB FTW;-)

[Jabagoo]

B Dub sent me great video

[MrTheajshow1]

Thumbs up for everyone who came here because of BdoubleO :p

[IluvYaaAll]

same as other's... BdubO sent me in xD

[piup5]

o hai there, bdubs sent me here

[MrGommybear]

Bdub sent me

[Deatheater7887]

O aslo Bdoubs sent me

[Deatheater7887]

I am not trying to be mean but sometimes your accent is confusing. But it's ok I dont mind it.

[everene1]

BDUB0

[Kwickgamer]

Bdubs sent me!

[RJ4494]

Bdouble0 sent me

[stinkyhamster111]

BdoubleO sent me

[rafarios21]

BdoubleO sent me

[DalejXD]

Boublo sent me ;)

[killweman101]

Bdub Sent Me!

[TheIggyTech]

Hey Doc did you ever find out if you need half slabs on the outer 1 wide spawning pads? I'm constructing something using the same principles in my LP world.

[docm77]

@TheIggyTech If you use the pattern I show in the video, it works. Not sure if you can leave out and slabs.

[TheIggyTech]

@docm77 Okay thanks. I have well over enough stone so I'll follow your pattern.

[dzlk78]

Does the "sign trick" still work on 1.0.??

[docm77]

@dzlk78 Yes

[10e999]

thanks a lot :)

[10e999]

witch part of the video, cause besause of the difficulty of the subject (congradulation again for your good work ) , this vidéo is long. thanks a lot to help us to be better minecraft player ^^

[docm77]

@10e999 Well, basically the dimensions are up to you. Just apply the principal of the pusher pistons and be creative. Should be no prob.

[10e999]

can i have the dimension please ?



[docm77]

@10e999 Well, you can see that in the video.

[Broconda]

My Birdcage doesn't spawn anything and I'm thinking its because of the 1.0 update. Can you tell me whats wrong Doc?

[docm77]

@Broconda Nothing is wrong. But light all your caves and don´t try it on smp when people are running all over the place.

[TheChiapetx]

not eonugh monstersr are spawning.... what should i do? i even tried making it all coverd (no glass) please help

[docm77]

@TheChiapetx Make sure to light up all caves...

[TheChiapetx]

@docm77 caves?

[docm77]

@TheChiapetx Light them up so no mobs span in there. The only place mobs should be able to spawn is your trap.

[RJNDesigner]

You sir, are a true innovator in the game of Minecraft. Keep up the great work! :)

[docm77]

@RJNDesigner Thanx a lot bro!

[xb0pfyx]

how the fuuuuu?.......

[docm77]

@xb0pfyx ;-)

[VeteranGamer97]

ur awesome!

[docm77]

@VeteranGamer97 Thanx bro;-)

[VeteranGamer97]

@docm77 love your accent lol :D

[gFrenken97]

I built one but i don't have ANY spawns, it's definetely under light level 7 and i have the water this too, set it to easy, normal ,hard, not even a single spawn ... what shoud i do?

[docm77]

@gFrenken97 Do cave lighting in a radius of 144 blocks as for all mob traps.

[gFrenken97]

@docm77 I have all caves lit up in at least a 200 blocks radias, the spawner itself is all surrounded by water and its definetely all under light level 7 but i still don't have a single mob spawning in there

[wootstock]

@gFrenken97 same here. i got some spawns eventually but then i made the roof and didin't get any...

[macleanwright]

does this work in 1.0.0

[docm77]

@macleanwright Yes

[macleanwright]

@docm77 thanks doc :)

[TheFoxGoesMoo]

I modified this so i can pick up the mobs drops

:P

[docm77]

@TheFoxGoesMoo Nice;-)

[LyricOverLoad]

im using this with a chinese style design to make a 'huge roof' that you said would look ugly to add to the darkness, turns out it looks kinda nice while making it darker again.. if i can get my hands on some recording gear ill put it as a video response. thanks so much for the tutorial.

[docm77]

@LyricOverLoad Yeah, that design fits well with the setup. Looking forward to a vid;-)

[LyricOverLoad]

@docm77 its pretty much done i just need to find a way to record :P

[aulrone]

This a nice design, but the spawn rates are nowhere near as fast as the underground variety. Perhaps the half slabs stop the mobs from spawning in bulk similar to how having close walls in a cave spider trap stops them from spawning in bulk? I remember Etho mentioning something like this.

[docm77]

@aulrone This is basically to show the principal. You could easily improve yield rates. For endermen, skytraps are the only working thing atm.

[slazaz5]

hey Docm i made the birdcage and there are no mobs spawning i made it out of stone bricks. can any one tell me why it wont work? also i check and i was on easy.

[docm77]

@slazaz5 You need to lght all cave in a 144 block radius so the only place mobs can span is your trap.

[slazaz5]

@docm77 thank you ill try that

[LyricOverLoad]

@docm77 every cave in 144 blocks...? with the new ravines in the caves they have... that is suicide mission...

[MiniGamer98]

found any way to stop spider spawn?

[docm77]

@MiniGamer98 Yeah, they don´t spawn in this design.

[E1p0tat0k1ng]

I heard somewhere that the sign tricking mobs into falling glitch might not work anymore, could anyone confirm?

[docm77]

@E1p0tat0k1ng I play in pre 4 ad it still works.

[YotaXP]

What is the purpose of the pistons in the bottom part?  Wouldn't the sign trick work as well?

[docm77]

@YotaXP Yep..you could just drop them from there if you wanted. But using the pistons speeds things up.

[Sonicandratchetfan]

@docm77 I just started up a new flat map and after seeing the anatomy of the birdcage I decided i'll try it out. I came up with a few design improvements while building it.

First of all, there could be another two layers of spawning space, giving you more items, and then there's just killing them with gravity, since a lava blade does not easily support about 20 mobs falling into it at once.

[docm77]

@Sonicandratchetfan Try killing endermen with drops;-)

[Sonicandratchetfan]

@docm77 Huge drops? Wow... Better combine this with a Kiershar design and see if an Etho tutorial could help me :P

[cooltrain6]

Hey doc how did you get the massive square water lake

[docm77]

@cooltrain6 In my word tour? Well..digging;-)

[galactictank]

easiest way to get flat ground (must be in creative mode) step 1: start a new world in creative mode . Step 2: go to the nether . step 3: dig all the way up to bedrock an destroy that and there is a flat bedrock unendless world

[docm77]

@galactictank Cool;_)

[Tclans]

The white whool can be any block right?

Or is it some ingenious solution against enderman picking up blocks?

Otherwise there is a lot of shearing to do :D

[docm77]

@Tclans It can be any other block..but there are some exceptions. Please check the wiki about endermen and their griefing.

[grovyle97]

Breny has stolen this without giving credit, claiming that he's never seen it. >:(

[docm77]

@grovyle97 It is a sky trap. Common knowledge.

[i0nexx]

@docm77. doc, i made a spawner exactly by this design, but not using piston, but the cage are exactly the same model. i wonder, in the SP, it spawns fairly good number of mobs, but when i build one on a vanilla server SMP, it doesnt work well, any ideas why?? it only spawns 3 to 5 mobs per minute @___@

[docm77]

@i0nexx Well, keep in mind..smp is multiplayer. Every player on th server creates a spawn radius..so...mobs spawn all over the place but numbers are limited.

[zimvaider]

@i0nexx Mob spawning works a little different in SMP, the mobs are shared between people. The more people on a server, the less mobs spawning in a mob trap unless everybody is in the same place.

[jippiedoe]

I'm just thinking, wouldn't it be much more recourse friendly to replace the piston pusher setup with a "staircase" of platforms with signs like in the spawning floors? You could even make that in a way that they move two or even three blocks sideways before falling down, it wouldn't slow them down a lot but it would make it a lot smaller and make sure that the fall damage is no problem.

[docm77]

@jippiedoe Yeah, works is just a bit slower.

[jippiedoe]

@docm77 I can imagine that if you use pistons to make them die fast they will spawn a bit more, but really all the sticky pistons and repeaters were what made me not like this trap. All I need to do now is cut down a huge forest for all those signs...

[MrJuddernaught]

Hey Doc, I've build a similar set-up to yours but my mobs are dropped into a water-less EMP unit which can process all mobs in multiple ways. What would be the best way for me to get you the map? I don't want to record anything, but I think you would really like it.

[docm77]

@MrJuddernaught Generally, i do not check out save files.No time sadly.

[JustTorment]

how high up is the top floor like how tall from top to bottom is it?

[docm77]

@JustTorment 24 blocks up...then the five floors.

[JustTorment]

@docm77 thanks :) sorry ive been meaning to build one for a while and always end up breaking it somehow

[Sticker704]

Lol, music by C418 :)

[docm77]

@Sticker704 It´s true;-)

[OutcastAngelV]

Hey Doc, dont forget to mention that, as i do believe, wood pressure plates are activated by anything with weight, drop items, etc. And stone, is activated by only an entity, not an object. so someone building it cheaper could acctidentally run into a big piston problem. oh, and your english is very good, honestly. Just, the word "magenta" is pronounced "majenta" not that im trying to school you, youre very educated, im trying to save you from the ignorant minds of the internet ._.

[docm77]

@OutcastAngelV Yeah, stone pressure plates is key...well maybe some people will learn it the hard way. Majenta it is, alright;-)

[OutcastAngelV]

@docm77 thanks for being awesome though. i have no idea how you always get to reply to me. it's a big thing to a lot of people in the Tube community. A lot of people just don't talk to their viewers. Thank you sir(:

[guitarable2]

Great video by the way !

[docm77]

@guitarable2 Glad you liked it.

[guitarable2]

Why doesnt the endermen destroy the blocks inside the spawning areas

[docm77]

@guitarable2 In 1.9, that´s changed.

[mrBorkD]

replace the signs with fence gates, it saves on wood.

[docm77]

@mrBorkD Yeah, would be a good improvement.

[669Russo]

17:05 Why not a water break?



[Tob3ster97]

@669Russo mobs can get stuck in them and endermen teliport

[docm77]

@669Russo Water + enderman = problems

[00dude3]

amazing design and v simple, cheers

[docm77]

@00dude3 It is....works great;-)

[dartemis7690]

@Northgtabeast No.....they dont, yet, its been an intended feature for ages but they have never introduced it.

[mickenoss]

Thanks for putting in so much work for your viewers, this is great =)

[docm77]

@mickenoss No prob man;-)

[sasjenkyn]

hmm. i think im gonna try to build and enderman EMP

[docm77]

@sasjenkyn Yeah, go for it and own them up;-)

[DeathteknoX]

If Notch ever implements conveyor belts in the future.... it could revolutionize many Minecraft contraptions. automatic mob farming, boat/minecart systems, TNT traps,and so on, and so on...

[docm77]

@DeathteknoX Let´s keep our fingers crossed.

[indypatriotfan]

Great Video

[docm77]

@indypatriotfan Thanx bro!

[mdawg2156]

down dere..... like dis..... i love it!

[docm77]

@mdawg2156 Hehe..

[KadenMaxim]

52 mins! Im gonna get some snacks =)

[docm77]

@KadenMaxim Don´t fall asleep;-)

[KadenMaxim]

@docm77 If you are implying that your boring, I assure you that your definently not =) Could never fall asleep watching you. Great video, it sparked a 2 hour long testing session, which rarely happens. Thx again!

[Thungon217]

15-4 (air gap) -2 (water gap) = 9 lighting around the edges during the day, so yeah, definitely improvable there. I really like the concept of this tutorial: learn how to make it, as opposed to learn how to copy it. Knowing how it works helps more than anything. Thanks for an awesome tutorial! :D

[docm77]

@Thungon217 Glad you like the way I did it.

[dpear3]

do u know any way to stop endermen from teleporting?

[docm77]

@dpear3 Don´t use water...

[jonatthhaann005]

One fifth of why I watch your show is beacuse of your extremely funny accent. I'm not saying that my english is better but.. "half sleps.." really? thats hillarious man love it

KEPP IT UP MAN!

[docm77]

@jonatthhaann005 Lol..I can´t help it;-)

[jonatthhaann005]

@docm77 Its nothing wrong with it :P

[MrManperson213]

lately i have been unsubing a lot of my subscripitions, im sorry to say doc but ill never unsub you:)

[docm77]

@MrManperson213 Phew...you almost had me there;-) Please stay!

[TheTrain2000]

@docm77 :D REPLIED :D

[MrNevzilla]

Awesome as always Doc, thanks for the info, been trying to make my own birdcage ever since i first saw yours, but was having some difficulties that now that I have seen this vid I feel that i can finally overcome. Keep up the great work!

[docm77]

@MrNevzilla Have fun making your own;-)

[TheArchpickle]

magenta is pronounced mah jen tah

[docm77]

@TheArchpickle Alright!

[Navalon09]

@docm77 do mobs have higher chance to spawn in the perimeter than in normal land?

[docm77]

@Navalon09 Yes.

[Tony2438]

The link to the download is not working

[docm77]

@Tony2438 Should be working fine.

[GeassX]

Doc, as of 27:00 I feel like I must thank you. Thank you for not teaching us how to build A birdcage, and instead, teaching us how to build the components of a birdcage. Now, as soon as I can get a good computer or a j-tagged xbox, I will go and build a nice, octagonal bird cage.

[docm77]

@GeassX Awesome man...it is way better to make your own things. That is what mc is all about.

[Dcbeats92]

is there a way to make it so i can kill the mobs by myself.. i tried to put a little hole in it and i stood away, but the creepers blew up anyways. Are they more powerful?

[GeassX]

@Dcbeats92 Put an EMP unit at the bottom of the birdcage. /watch?v=kVgKvd2kSsY&feature=c­hannel_video_title

[Dcbeats92]

@GeassX I mean like kill them with a sword in order to increase my levels for enchantment

[GeassX]

@Dcbeats92 Etho's Mob Processing units come with a neat little lever for just that purpose! Just flip the switch and swing your sword at their feet. If you really don't want to build an EMP, just have a glass tube at the bottom with a hole in it so that you can cut their ankles. In the end, it's your world, do with it what you will. An EMP unit just provides more versatility.

[Dcbeats92]

@GeassX The problem is in my setup the creepers blow up even though there's just a small hole that im attacking them from and im standing far away

[GeassX]

@Dcbeats92 You might be standing too low. The creeper doesn't have a cylindrical "attack" range, one that would make a creeper explode at the same distance away from you regardless of elevation difference, but rather a conical one. This conical "attack" range causes the creeper to explode from a much farther distance, horizontally, the lower you are in comparison to it and visa versa for higher than it. The simplest solution would be to stand so that you are at the same elevation as it.

[Dcbeats92]

@GeassX i see thankyou so much

[Dcbeats92]

@Dcbeats92 I just downloaded the test world are endermen able to grief glass block?. i thought they couldnt but i think they did on my world

[docm77]

@Dcbeats92 Use an EMP;-)

[linklovezelda]

You're a creeper now :O

[docm77]

@linklovezelda Indeed;-)

[Jj0oNn4aSs]

@docm77 Man kann doch anstatt Schildern auch Falltüren nehmen , weil soweit ich weiß denken Monster auch das Falltüren volle Blöcke sind , laufen drüber und fallen herunter . Ich bin mir nicht sicher aer wenn das stimmt was ich vermute , könnte man damit einiges an Resourcen sparen ;)

[docm77]

@Jj0oNn4aSs Geht..aber falltüren haben ne "collision mask"..mobs könnten hägen bleiben.fence gates sind besser.

[bumblur]

Another fine installment, Doc. Thanks for sharing!