Because I'm sure the achievements of Hawking, Aristotle and Copernicus don't even come close to the prodigious advances to human-kind you have graced us with. I'm sure your list of life altering philosophical and scientific theories far out number those of the people you look down upon and criticize so coarsely. Enlighten me, I implore you.
I'm enmeshed in the toils of receiving a party of guests at present so must desist from accepting your offer to exchange ideas -supposing you have some of your own, though it was already obvious from your earlier 'discourse' that you are of the kind who religiously tip their hats at the mere mention of a famous name, which is always an ominous presage since such individuals tend to empty themselves of even a glimmer of personal thought. Though it appears your habits of...
...expression rather err on the side of profusion, suggesting at least a somewhat less impermeable mind than Pythol's for instance, your chiming in boisterously with every single generally valid idea I fear is already engendering a calamitous cleavage between us, but if I may be spared the predictable pettifogging captiousness that seems almost bound to the atheist with thongs of fate, we may perhaps pursue this later?
@suddenlyitsobvious what next, are you going to bring a person suffering from osteo pigmentosa to an art gallery? In reality Stephen was brilliant even before his disease struck him. I dont know why this is a matter of author, when its the words and philosophy that's important not the validity of the person who wrote them. Are you going to insult Aristotle, Galileo and Copernicus next?
Oh dear, I've stunned the thread into silence once more. Usually there's about 60 minutes of eery nothingness after my interventions, one would presume because of 'contrast' issues...
It's OK lads, so you didn't go to Oxford and weren't raised in a mansion. I must insist: you don't have to censor yourself for that! There's PLENTY of 'normal', 'average' people like you!You can STILL pick up on your education, in the present, right now. Of course it won't be QUITE the same but I never...
@suddenlyitsobvious You sound incredibly pretentious for a person who has yet to say anything even remotely clever. All you successfully did was insult a man suffering from a horrifying disease. Stun silence is quite interestingly synonymous to "dumb-founded" because we sure as hell found you didn't we.
I noticed Hawking tends to come up a lot, being no doubt a source of inspiration to the stagiaires. Not to be anal but I would like to point out that it's NOT Hawking who's making statements, it's his voicebox.
In reality, Hawking could be a complete retard incapable not only of movement but of thought, who is being used like a puppet on a string.
Several issues in fact do point in that direction, but I suppose people prefer not hearing what precisely it is I'm alluding at...
@suddenlyitsobvious wow....1),2),3) and 4) are lingual masterpieces. "despite all the reckless & gratuitous invectives, scurrilous sentimentality or inversely, frigid scorn, with what appears to be after all a certain 'je ne sais quoi'" that was awesome lol.
...achieving their 'artistic jubilee' with adversaries of perhaps a somewhat lesser caliber, and I must admit it pleasures me that my contestations of the dominant 'ethos' priveleged on this thread do appear to meet, despite all the reckless & gratuitous invectives, scurrilous sentimentality or inversely, frigid scorn, with what appears to be after all a certain 'je ne sais quoi' -respect certainly, fear perhaps? Admiration? Hmmm...
You know suds, when you make claims such as "NOT A SINGLE one of my posts has been marked as spam EVER!!!" you really leave yourself open. Here you go:
"This has been flagged as spam hide • Not Spam
'The issues you raise and the points you make are often so brilliant and packaged so neatly,...'
Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.
@ArctusCanusLupus "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing"
You are lying, gravity is not enough to make stars form or galaxies to cluster
what evolution says? quantom fluctuations which already require existing stars to explode in supernova's
if this infinetely small dot; the singularity suddenly started to expand, it's gravity would just pull it back silly, oh but when it comes to galaxies clustering THEN gravity can do the job, lmao
@xXsakkelaoXx You really must not know what you're talking about. That or you need to take a few more English classes, coherency isn't your strong side. Not to mention that random jumble of nonsense, is that supposed to make me believe you have an educated background to be making such comments? Where did you get your degree in astrology and quantum physics?
@ArctusCanusLupus You have yet to point out were GRAVITY can explain that something will CREATE ITSELF from nothing lololol, what a retard, site me the scientific site that states this as an observed fact. Get real dumbass
@xXsakkelaoXx Okay, slow your roll speed racer. 1. Gravity is itself is an unfathomably large theory that has obsessed the lives of hundreds of thousands of physics and scientists for thousands of years, I never once mentioned that Gravity could explain how something could create itself. I was simply quoting a novel by Stephen Hawking, it was his words not mine, though I find it amusing how you cite one of the world's most intelligent men as a "dumbass" can't grasp the info.
@xXsakkelaoXx The key word I cited was "law" such as gravity. You do know the text book definition of law right? Because of the fact that Gravity is a law can continue to explain...ya I'm not even going to attempt a synopsis of Hawking's work to someone who obviously doesn't have the attention span to even remotely grasp its intellectual intricacies of a man who has a lot more belief in his theories than thousands of priests have in their Gods.
If an all knowing all powerful deity does really exist then I pity it. Nothing would be new to it,nothing could surprise or shock it.Nothing would be funny. It could never truly know how it feels to laugh and enjoy a joke heard for the first time. I wonder if it could 'feel' anything.
@JesusSuckedGayPenis for some reason creationists cant seem to grasp the concept of "a common ancestor" instead they seem to accept that evolution states we evolved from monkeys or apes, which is absurd if they picked up an actual book other than the bible they would realize that apes and humans diverged from a common ancestor. "humans didn't evolve from apes" ya no shit dumb ass, where in any evolutionary text book does it say that?
@ArctusCanusLupus Yeah that's why I've given up on hard-core theists and simply use them as a source of amusement. Now I argue ludicrous claims of my own and ask them to prove me wrong, it's fun watching "them" try and get their heads around other concepts that are just as nonsense as their claims :D
@Pythol youre an idiot. the earths rotation doesnt cause waves lol...As the wind blows over the water, it tries to drag the surface of the water with it. The surface water cannot move as fast as air, so the water rises. After it rises, the water is pulled back down by gravity. The falling water's momentum is carried below the surface, and water pressure from below pushes this swell back up again. This tug of war between gravity and water pressure creates wave motion...idiots....*double facepalm*
FYI:Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the moon and the sun and the rotation of the Earth.
@AtheistToothFairy FYI: no. the rotation of the earth literally has 0 to do with the waves that happen. the sun and moon yes... the wind and gravity yes...the rotation of the earth....dumb.
Tidal changes are the net result of multiple influences that act over varying periods. These influences are called tidal constituents. The primary constituents are the Earth's rotation, the positions of moon and the sun relative to Earth, the moon's altitude (elevation) above the Earth's equator, and bathymetry.
@AtheistToothFairy first offff. bathymetry has no place here in your argument...its the study of how deep the ocean is...second, "tidal waves" are not caused by tides this is the american name for tsunami which are caused by geological disturbances such as earthquakes and land slides. what you are describing here are "tidal bores". and they occur on rivers and creeks in parts of the world where the tides get really big. The river or creek needs be narrow with a deep and wide estuary...
@AtheistToothFairy ...a bit like a giant funnel. When all this water reaches the narrow river mouth, there's simply too much to fit in and the water level rises so quickly that a wave forms. with the fact being that there would be no river mouths or anything of the like because all land is underwater....your "tidal BORES" would not exist. it would soon dissipate.
@Pythol also tectonic plates occasionally cause tsunamis...but this happens when one plate, which happens to be floating along on the athensohere, runs into another plate which is also floating along...the only thing that the rotation of the earth does is make night and day...so. with this said....who is the poor idiot boy now...holy piss there is so much dumb in your brain. we gotta get that shit out before it spreads.
alright i have been challenged to stand my ground and argue my stance as a creationist on these videos. in order to believe in evolution one would indeed need to have never thought a thought ONCE. Any takers?
@Pythol haha is that a question? it came up forth from the earth. the vents in the ocean. they still spew water like its their job. and the first time it rained it rained for forty days and nights. previous to this "flood" rain had never happened. also the axis of the earth was horizontal with no tilt meaning that ice also would have not been present on the earth because of the equal amount of sunlight hitting every part of the planet.
@erickshun01 If it came from under the earth, that would have left a vast hollow, gravity would have caused a collapse. Where did the water go afterwards?
@Pythol um. no....? it is still happening now and there is no "vast hollow" and im pretty sure that the earth didnt collapse...ever heard of a hypothermal vent? yeah. geothermally heated water still shoots up out of vents in the ocean. the earth is geologically "alive" if you will and has large amounts of water in its crust...
@erickshun01 If the entire planet was submerged in water that came from under the earth, then that vast quantity of water would, for the duration of the flood, have been above ground. Since the water could not simultaneously have been both above AND below ground level, what happened to the underground space that had previously been filled with water??
@Pythol ha what? of course the vast majority of the flood was above ground. i thought that was common sense. isnt that what a flood is? when water level gets higher that a portion of land.....dude...there is still water coming out of our earth. did you miss that whole hydrothermal vent comment...? water has cycles. it comes out of the earth. it gets evaporated. it rains it back down to earth. when the plates move water that was previously ABOVE ground can get pushed and trapped BELOW ground...
@AtheistToothFairy haha thats funny. but unfortunately thats nothing what it would be like. for one all of the worm species could survive outside of the ark. two how things actually go, according to the law of entropy and the bible, things get shittier, because of sin. so essentially, noah would have had to take only certain,highly advanced, families of animals and insects and they would then dilute themselves through time and breeding.
@AtheistToothFairy pretty much what im saying here is that all of the animals and insects we have to day probably branched off from a significantly less number of better animals and insects, but having the same general dna structure, just shittier and filled with mutations.
@Pythol ....where it is then geothermally heated and spewed back out from a different vent. some ice gets frozen rather than evaporated this also accounts for a mass majority of water...dude its even a fact that the entire earth was once covered in water so i dont understand what your tying to prove with this...are you a troll....? :D
@erickshun01 If enough water came from underneath the earth's surface to cover the mountain tops, what occupied the subterranean space that the water had previously occupied??
@Pythol dude. what part of. "shit fucking moves around" dont you understand....SHIT FUCKING MOVES AROUND! WHAT mountain tops!!! at the time of this. there might have not even been mountains also. did you miss the part where i said that early earth was covered in water? < fact. what about when i said that if all of the ice melted the earth would be covered in water now...even with all of the mountains we have.
@Pythol wow, you are a retard, this dude erickshun01 is pwning you and you make up shit? heck, when we ask you for the mechanism for the big bang to inflate or even explode to start with like what caused it: you say you don't know and then you accuse this guy of being stupid? hilarious, i've wasted so much time on your bullshit
@Pythol the question is wrong, it should be more: "what part of I-don't-have-an-answer-for-you, don't you understand"
but again, that would be assuming that I don't understand "one part" of it, when indeed there is really not much to understand but the fact that you are without answers and willingly ignoring the problems with your theory
@Pythol dude. point here is. youre wrong. 1) it is possible for the entire earth to have been, and to be in the future, covered in water. 2) water is still currently spewing from the earth. 3) the water continues to stay on the earth/somewhere in its cycle within the earth and its atmosphere. i dont see much room for you to retort...i mean. the water came from the earth...and then it stayed there.... simple....
@Pythol hahaha wow. figures. this is what i get for using information that is not mused up by imaginings of my head. what else do you need? i proved you wrong....the earth can flood. <fact. the earth can flood even with the mountain ranges we have now <fact.
@Pythol this has been the worst argument ever on your part. it just consisted of "wheres the water :3" herp derp! where do you think it is. i told you like nine times.
and also. what do you mean by "where did it go?" where would it have gone? nowhere, i presume. so its obviously still here. *checks out bedroom window* yup the earth still has oceans. as i said before, the earth is geologically alive. the antediluvian world was probably soooo much different than the modern earth. the sea levels and continents are changing all the time scaled on earth time.
@Pythol also. havnt you ever heard of global warming? the reason everones so pissed is because if all of the ice on earth melts....guess what?!! were gonna fucking be under water......
@erickshun01:"essentially this alleged "God" picked up the ocean and dropped it on the people"
Let's see. This is the same god that created the entire universe. The same god that put the 'spark' of life into every single living person.
Yet this all-knowing, all-powerful god, couldn't just take away that SPARK from those he saw as evil and leave the good alone, but instead he forms this complex flood plan, which kills most of everything and doesn't even solve SIN
@AtheistToothFairy well let me ask this. if you, being half as intelligent as the people who allegedly imagined the whole bible conspiracy up in order to brainwash everyone, would have to be. Why is it that they didnt put that instead? i mean it seems like a whole lot less work to me. why would they have made up something so unbelievable? why not just snuff out the spark....well this will be cont. on another comment.....
@erickshun01:"as the people who allegedly imagined the whole bible conspiracy up in order to brainwash everyone"
I take it that you've not spent much time researching modern URBAN LEGENDS, have you?
It didn't have to be a well thought out conspiracy at all.
Such legends tend to take on a life of their own, starting out small and then keep growing with the re-telling of them, just as happens today with stories (and even jokes)
@AtheistToothFairy yeah except that the book of urban legends has yet to pump out even one prophecy let alone one that comes to pass. guess what? the bible has yet to fail in its prophesying...300 hundred years apart from each other different men from different continents wrote the same things and prophesied the same things and then they came true...a lot more than coincidence....
@AtheistToothFairy "I take it that you've not spent much time researching modern URBAN LEGENDS, have you?" Oh maybe like the legends that absolutely all the tribes today have about a global flood with mountaintops covered and birds flying out?
@AtheistToothFairy ....well for one humans dont run on sparks they run on oxygen....also EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING except for noah, his family, and the animals that came to him was, in the eyes of God, corrupted. and also one more thing...you say this "complex" flood plan...making water spew from vents in the earth and rain down for forty days and nights....doesnt really seem all that complex when you think about the artificer of the universe.
@erickshun01:"well for one humans dont run on sparks they run on oxygen"
1. First off, 'the spark of life' is an EXPRESSION.
2. FACT: Without electricity (spark) we'd all be lumps of dead flesh.
3. We need energy from food, not just O2.
4. Having Noah build an impossible boat, rain for months etc etc, is far more complex than just zapping everyone into non-existence with a snap of his fingers.
@AtheistToothFairy o2 is where it starts. the body runs because of oxygen that is carried to it in the blood. no oxygen in the brain means no telling the heart to pump blood to the rest of it.
@AtheistToothFairy ? um no. if you stop your heart youre dead within seconds...if you destroy the bodies electrical signaling process then....youre also dead within seconds....either way it really has nothing to do with the fact that the flood is beyond feasible.
@erickshun01:"either way it really has nothing to do with the fact that the flood is beyond feasible"
Sure it does, because as I already pointed out, god could have instantly killed all the sinful humans and spared all the INNOCENT wildlife, not to mention the havoc to the planet itself he caused.
Oh, and this flood story was stolen and flood stories were a dime a dozen just because folks lived by large waterways which now and then caused flooding, just like they do TODAY
@AtheistToothFairy dude. you saying "my way would have been easier" its pointless. for one god wanted to interact with his creation. second...both scenarios would have been effortless for him. he exerted literally 0% of his total energy making that flood happen. and how was it stolen if it was the first....?
@AtheistToothFairy no. from knowing that he literally spoke and nothingness became something and he did this effortlessly...i can also know that a task that would require less effort....would require less effort.....
Great, so then we agree that 'nothing' is not a natural state and therefore something elemental must have existed that preceded our universe and all that's in it.
Of course YOU will say it was a god, but you have yet to prove it was.
@AtheistToothFairy well here we go the big bang: an infinitely dense ball that held all of space time and matter in it existed in the beginning. every action has an equal and opposite reaction.also energy cannot be created or destroyed; only transferred. this means that an equal and opposite power made the singularity explode. this equal and opposite power was OUTSIDE of space time and matter because all of that was inside the singularity. meaning that it was spaceless, timeless,and matterless
@erickshun01:"infinitely dense ball that held all of space time and matter in it"
Yes, but only for OUR universe, which tells us exactly nothing about other universes.
No one, including YOU, has quite figured out why space and time suddenly 'popped' into being. At this point, we can't even say that the singularity was the start of it all.
But no matter what the cause, there simply is NO reason to assume some mystical entity did it
@AtheistToothFairy "Yes, but only for OUR universe, which tells us exactly nothing about other universes."
well that contradicts observed fact, other universes? site me a scientific paper that states this as a fact.
"But no matter what the cause, there simply is NO reason to assume some mystical entity did it" There is no reason not to believe him either, but what we can do is see if the bible fits with reality, and according to observed evidence like HELIUM, it does
@AtheistToothFairy further more...absolutely nothing never existed. if it had there would still be absolutely nothing now. but something else does exist...like you for example. since nothingness never existed, there was always a time when there was something in existence. this can be called the "eternal something" this something has no beginning and no end, has no needs for itself that it itself cannot meet because it is eternal....
@AtheistToothFairy this eternal something doesnt produce other somethings out of need because it has no needs because it is eternal. THEREFORE. if it does produce something else other than itself it must DECIDE to do so. that means that this something has a will. THUS it is personal. THERFORE this eternal something must actually be an eternal someone (or someones). since someone has no needs that he itself cant fill he can exist in any kind of environment.
@AtheistToothFairy "Nature is MINDLESS. Get over it!" exactly, so that would mean that mutations are mindless to right? and if you study cells you will find incredible design, not something that can be assumed to form randomly from copying errors (to already existing information = mutations(rescrambling already existing information))
why some scientists believe that I find baffling, they even state that it's absurd but chose to deny a god and therefore have to believe it...
@AtheistToothFairy ...for he existed when there was nothing else but him. any environment would be outside of him and therefore would need to be produced. this someone is not bound by time and space because he is eternal and can exist in himself. this means he transcends space and time. if he does this he can be everywhere in space and time. so when something else is produced(ie you) it will exist within the eternal someones time and space.
@AtheistToothFairy "These are wild claims, and we all know you can't support them with evidence, so why assert them to us?" you would be doing the same if you said that bigbang was fact and actually happened, the EXACT same. (you might not have said that the bigbang did cause the universe so don't flip out, but i'm assuming it, btw: that was why I wrote: "if")
@AtheistToothFairy *facepalm* yeah if you only look at that part it seems wild....but are you aware of what logic is? like the actual mathematical proofs for language? that was logic. that sentence there was one of the conclusions to its previous premesses...the previous premesses were valid and lead to that conclusion...which is indeed not empirical. BUT it is a STRONG, SOUND and VALID conclusion...much more of an argument than you have formed i might add.
@AtheistToothFairy simply put. the definition of my God is he is perfect. non-existence is an imperfection. therefore my god exists. <logic. also.....all of what has been stated are valid premisses that lead to a valid, sound, and strong conclusion. thus. any argument formed claiming that this is untrue will be an argument against logic itself...have fun.
you are right! according to evolution that is, there is absolutely no definition of perfect,
but according to the bible which is the written word of god (for the sake of argument just allow me to state it), god is the definition of perfect, so IF the bible was true, then someone DOES know what perfect is.
@AtheistToothFairy wow. just wow. im having a conversation with a person who doesnt know what the definition of perfect is...just whoa... i mean wow. just.....what the fuck.....PERFECT: a state of completeness and flawlessness....so no. apparently this attribute i claim also holds meaning with the english language...which you happen to be speaking right now....a perfect being would be a being that is complete...FLAWLESS...or do those words have no meaning to you wither?
@AtheistToothFairy what youre trying to do right now is prove the ontological argument wrong...which might i add was formed by someone many many years ago, who was way way more intelligent than the both of us....it has been a VALID SOUND AND STRONG argument all of these years and you saying "no" isnt going to change that....sorry.
@AtheistToothFairy 2) the reason he flooded the earth WAS NOT to get rid of sin...it was to kill a shitton of people who actively disobeyed god even after seeing him...noah still had sin...he still had to sacrifice animals to atone...the reason for this was to essentially cleanse the earth of everything the people had done up until then. because you see that this wasnt a plan to "end sin" it didnt fail in this purpose.
@erickshun01:"it was to kill a shitton of people who actively disobeyed god even after seeing him"
You failed bible study, didn't you?
You also fail to realize that your all-everything god, is clearly an idiot when it comes to making human pets that please him, not to mention he couldn't even make angels without having 1/3 of them turn against him.
Yes, your god is truly incompetent and needs to be FIRED from his day job
@AtheistToothFairy lol. show me where it says the flood was Gods plan to eradicate sin....nowhere does it say that...noah and the four families that were on the boat with him all still were sinners...youre an idiot man. you cant even comprehend the intricacies of the system that has been made. evolution defies all three of newtons laws of the universe, the second law of thermodynamics, the law of biogenesis, the law of conservation of energy, COMMON SENSE.....
@AtheistToothFairy ....LOGIC....and yet you throw all of these laws away to believe a fucking flimsy theory taught by teachers that youre probably smarter than....
@AtheistToothFairy also. adam and eve were GODS they were physically immortal. they lived in a universe where death didnt exist. God designed everything after himself. so when we see trees that bear fruit. and herbs that bear seeds. and we see animals giving life to other animals. so too did god wish to do. unfortunately adam and eve were only like him physically. intellectually they had nothing. they were like children in men and woman bodies.
@erickshun01 'also. adam and eve were GODS they were physically immortal'
You are a liar. There were supposed to be TWO trees in the garden. They ate from the 1 that gave them knowledge but they were expelled from the garden before they had a chance to eat from the tree that would have given them immortality.
@egamble22 dude. dont tell me about the bible... "When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned." before adam and eve ate from the knowledge of good and evil...sin didnt exist...therefore neither did death...if death did not come to adam and eve.....that means they were imortal....physically perfect if you will. now. dont you feel like an ass....
@erickshun01:"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world."
Right, and if your god was a doofus, maybe he would have made Adam up to the standards that would please this god, so your god is a FAILURE and always was in everything IT touched
@AtheistToothFairy "Right, and if your god was a doofus, maybe he would have made Adam up to the standards that would please this god, so your god is a FAILURE and always was in everything IT touched"
but why would he do that? then Adam would be gods doll, and he doesn't want that, he wants us to have free will, this is perfectly logical, how else could we love him and he us if we are simply dolls in his dollhouse?
A&E ‘sin’ was disobedience. Are you foolish enough to believe the ‘sins’ of working on a certain day, dissing your parents, wanting what your neighbor has, lying, stealing, getting a piece of ass, misusing god’s name, murder & such would not have entered the world if A&E hadn’t eaten the fruit?
@egamble22 "Are you REALLY that stupid!!!!!!!!!!" yes ofcourse, that is human nature, that is why we needed Jesus who was perfect that didn't sin as the eternal sin offering so that we can became saved (clean enough) to meet god.
@egamble22 no but apparently you are. are you aware of what "sin" even is? well im sure you arent because you wouldnt be making an argument so poorly constructed. the word "sin" comes from archery. it means to "miss the mark" when the archers missed, the watcher would yell "sin". God has knowledge of all good and evil but is able to CHOOSE to not do anything evil. when A&E ate the "fruit" they became AWARE of good and evil, not being able to choose only the good actions like God can.
@egamble22 ....having become self conscious(which is represented by their realization of nakedness and shame of it.) they were no longer innocent. having not the ability to only choose righteous actions like God can, the were temped and they fell. which brings me back around to missing the mark. the mark is an un-erring righteousness...which everyone misses...therefore through the self and moral awareness that humans have gained as a result of A&E everyone "sins" understand?
@erickshun01 'before adam and eve ate from the knowledge of good and evil...sin didnt exist...therefore neither did death'
Poor, poor nitwit. you don't even have the intelligence to read that pile of nonsense for yourself.
Read Gen 3:22-24, fool. There was 2 trees. A&E ate from the tree of knowledge. God was afraid they would also eat from the tree of life AND LIVE FOREVER!!
@egamble22 *sigh* did you not read my comments? yes there were two trees. but this life is a test of character. it is to teach us how to live. it is essentially the pre-school for eternity. if A&E ate the fruit of knowledge, then walked right over to the fruit of immortality, they would still not have "Godly character" they would have not been able to know how to CHOOSE GOOD OVER EVIL, THUS, they would have been immortals, who were constantly committing evil acts....
@egamble22 prior to the consumption of the knowledge, sin didnt exist. they were like little children, little, immortal children who didnt know right from wrong. after they ate. they then KNEW right from wrong and lacked the ability to choose right always. this is why the tree of life is taken from them, but not permanently because one day we will all eat of the tree of life.
The ‘sin’ was for your stupid ass god’S failure to use his omniscience to know A&E would eat the forbidden fruit, the snake was in the garden & he should have PLACED THE GODDAMNED TREEES OUT OF THEIR REACH
@egamble22 indubitably, if you never studied the bible this is what you would conclude. and yet again i assume you didnt see my comments where i explained this...this ALL HAPPENED ON PURPOSE. God DID know that they would eat the fruit...he place it in the middle of the fucking garden and TOLD THEM WHERE IT WAS. he then ALLOWED the Ba'aal to tempt them into eating the fruit.
@egamble22 he ALLOWED them to eat of it. notice how he says, "they have eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE US" which means they knew both good and evil. having not the ability to choose only good like god can, they must, like every other human, pass the "school of life" if you will. A&E had perfect physical bodies prior to eating the fruit. but not Perfect MINDS. which is why we are here according to the bible. to grow and learn.
@egamble22 also man. you are looking like a real big ass right now because anyone who knew anything about the story would know this. its very simple actually. A&E didnt know of good or evil prior to eating the first fruit. they were ignorant so they could not be judged. "the wages of sin is death". sin didnt exist before this. therefore death didnt exist before this. after falling from godliness, they were not allowed to rise back into it. until the story ends.
@AtheistToothFairy when they came to eat the fruit that gave them knowledge of good and evil. it set into motion an education system essentially. a "school of life" if you will. he then sent jesus as the "second Adam" who was actually an adam incarnate to lead everyone to have Godly character. so. after all of this is done. god will have successfully created offspring in the sense that we will have the godly bodies of the first adam, and the godly character of the second.
@egamble22 dude you have no idea what the bible even teaches so stop talking. "its shallow enough for a baby to wade in but deep enough for an elephant to swim in" just because you can only comprehend the very most shallow level doesnt mean that im wrong.
@erickshun01 'dude you have no idea what the bible even teaches so stop talking. "its shallow enough for a baby to wade in but deep enough for an elephant to swim in" just because you can only comprehend the very most shallow level doesnt mean that im wrong'
This bullshit reply doesn't explain WHY you are not wrong.
Poor loser, you don't have the slightest idea how to address issues.
@AtheistToothFairy "Oh, and this flood story was stolen and flood stories were a dime a dozen just because folks lived by large waterways which now and then caused flooding, just like they do TODAY"
what?? that doesn't explain the "mountaintops being covered" and "birds flying out"
@AtheistToothFairy "You SEEM to be intelligent, so it's hard for me to believe you buy this Noah Flood MYTH"
huh, that was surprizing, I mean, from an atheist, but if I remember correctly you said that tribes got these legends from rivers overflowing? well the fact is that the legends countain much more detaild stories than that like what I said, and you didn't really answer me did you? you just waved your hand and said "do you really believe that?" HELIUM!
The ark would have been a 3'story boat with over 02,000sq ft. That's about half the space in a superwalmart. Tha boat was loaded with air-breathing animals. However, the only source of fresh air was a 3ft sq opening in the top. Explain why all the animals didn't die because it would be impossible to ventilate that much crowded space in a 3-story building even if there was cross ventilation - which did not exist.
@egamble22 the arc would have roughly housed around 2,000 individuals with accommodations for up to 16,000....also if every animal was an infant....or eggs....it could have worked no problem. it doesnt say "all fully grown animals are to be on the arc...even the ones that can survive the flood on their own"
@egamble22 yeah only i didnt fucking say attention now did i. i said food you troll. and it says that all of the animals came to noah. an adult animal is just as stupid as a baby animal. most animals are born with instincts. no one teaches human babies to swim right of of the womb but the fucking do. regardless of whether they are fully grown or not. most will know how to walk. so....gtfo you fucking moron.
@erickshun01 'and it says that all of the animals came to noah'
It sure as hell does. So, how did those eggs get to him? Did they walk? LOL
'most animals are born with instincts'
You are the only person foolish enough to believe that any wild baby animal deprived of its mother, in most cases, will die because they don't have anyone to teach them the skills needed to survive.
Yes moron, they are born with instincts. But they must be taught the skills needed to apply them.
@egamble22 it says the land was much more compact at this time. the animals came to him way before they actually departed. the animals that lay eggs could have walked there, then laid the eggs then noah and his helpers could have put them on the boat...not that hard to fathom. and yes most animals are born with instincts. human babies can SWIM right out of the womb!!! im pretty sure that no one taught them that. also the animals were following Gods voice, they were obeying him.
@egamble22 ...there were no predators for them because every animal was obeying gods commands. in todays world yes, most animal babies will not survive in the wild without being taught to evade predators and gather food...but the thing is is that world would have been like an alien planet to us. the antediluvian world had different kinds of animals and different kinds of workings. so i mean...youre wrong lol.
@egamble22 who says that the tree sloth of those days didnt know how to walk? were you there? and im not saying ALL of the animals were babies. just the ones that would necessarily have to be because of their size...and also...they didnt need to know how to hunt. they didnt get off of the boat until all vegetation was grown again....which brings me to the next point. all of the animals of this time were not yet carnivorous. they ALL ate fruits and vegetables.
@egamble22 and also im answering all of your questions with good, LOGICALLY PROVED answers....lets see how well you do when its your turn to defend against evolution. which is by the way more defiant of science itself than the belief in god.
@egamble22 also eggs can be incubated without electricity you fucking tard. boil water...put thick rags into water. wrap eggs in rags. people dont have to sit on any eggs fuckface.
@erickshun01 'also eggs can be incubated without electricity you fucking tard. boil water...put thick rags into water. wrap eggs in rags. people dont have to sit on any eggs fuckface'
So, instead of the 8 people using their 10 seconds to feed, clean & water animals, the spent them keeping fires going heating water & wrapping thousands of eggs in warm rags to (LOL incubate them.
What about the thousands of animals that were mammals who would have eaten the eggs?
At the time of the 'fluud', the only material available to hold objects together was wooden pegs and rope. The ark + animals + 1 yrar's food would have weighed at least 10,000 tons. You can't even explain how the ark would have held together on dry land, let alone how it would have held up to a SINGLE 500ft wave without falling completely apart.
@egamble22 1) gopher wood (which is what it was made of) is EXTREMELY buoyant and durable. 2) you are making the assumption that this is all they had 3) what makes you think that a wave would hit them? you do remember that in this story the Artificer of existence itself if guiding noah and his family....also you forget that the animals were babies...they weigh significantly less and eat even lesser
@AtheistToothFairy i mean being that this would have taken place during a time that had different plants and such....i wouldnt really consider that a fail...
@erickshun01:" i mean being that this would have taken place during a time that had different plants and such"
Great, now all you need to do is show us what Gopher wood was and why it was special enough to allow Noah to build a boat so large that it can't be duplicated today using just wood, because it would break apart from the stresses upon it and that is just floating, not to mention in heavy seas
@AtheistToothFairy well. "gopher" is also thought of as a lamination process. if the wood had been laminated with some sort of hardening substance it would easily stand sturdy.
@erickshun01:"gopher" is also thought of as a lamination process"
1. I think you better provide a citation for that assertion, ok
2. I don't care what lamination process they used, that boat still wouldn't have survived, even if it could be made to just float.
3. Have you pondered the problem of feeding all those animals, stopping them from eating each other, getting rid of the POOP and getting FRESH AIR into that boat?
@AtheistToothFairy well i mean the actual translation in the bible is planed or laminated wood so....yeah. and you dont know that it wouldnt withstand it. are you gathering this information from empirical data that you have gathered from your five senses? if not then unfortunately this is not science...also. the animals were babies...meaning that the food,poop, and risk of them killing each other are greatly reduced.
@erickshun01 You're just pulling shit out of your arse. Nobody with an IQ above that of a turnip actually believes that your bronze-age fable actually happened.
@BlueAvantiGuy hahahaha dude. youre the one who believes that NOTHING can become SOMETHING at random. literally logically impossible....NOTHINGNESS CANNOT BECOME SOMTHING. thats like saying left can be right....up can be down....black can be white.....CHAOS CAN BE ORDER....who is the fucking babbling retard now? evolution literally defies everything that is known about the physical universe.
@egamble22 yeah cause apparently IM the only one who knows newtons laws, the law of conservation of energy, the laws of thermodynamics, the law of abiogenesis...you do realize that all of the LAWS of SCIENCE are in DIRECT conflict with the THEORY of evolution.
Because I'm sure the achievements of Hawking, Aristotle and Copernicus don't even come close to the prodigious advances to human-kind you have graced us with. I'm sure your list of life altering philosophical and scientific theories far out number those of the people you look down upon and criticize so coarsely. Enlighten me, I implore you.
ArctusCanusLupus 1 hour ago
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I'm enmeshed in the toils of receiving a party of guests at present so must desist from accepting your offer to exchange ideas -supposing you have some of your own, though it was already obvious from your earlier 'discourse' that you are of the kind who religiously tip their hats at the mere mention of a famous name, which is always an ominous presage since such individuals tend to empty themselves of even a glimmer of personal thought. Though it appears your habits of...
suddenlyitsobvious 55 minutes ago
@ArctusCanusLupus
...expression rather err on the side of profusion, suggesting at least a somewhat less impermeable mind than Pythol's for instance, your chiming in boisterously with every single generally valid idea I fear is already engendering a calamitous cleavage between us, but if I may be spared the predictable pettifogging captiousness that seems almost bound to the atheist with thongs of fate, we may perhaps pursue this later?
suddenlyitsobvious 48 minutes ago
...encourage people giving up on themselves altogether. Everybody deserves a shot, even if it's a very long one...
suddenlyitsobvious 2 hours ago
@suddenlyitsobvious what next, are you going to bring a person suffering from osteo pigmentosa to an art gallery? In reality Stephen was brilliant even before his disease struck him. I dont know why this is a matter of author, when its the words and philosophy that's important not the validity of the person who wrote them. Are you going to insult Aristotle, Galileo and Copernicus next?
ArctusCanusLupus 1 hour ago
Oh dear, I've stunned the thread into silence once more. Usually there's about 60 minutes of eery nothingness after my interventions, one would presume because of 'contrast' issues...
It's OK lads, so you didn't go to Oxford and weren't raised in a mansion. I must insist: you don't have to censor yourself for that! There's PLENTY of 'normal', 'average' people like you!You can STILL pick up on your education, in the present, right now. Of course it won't be QUITE the same but I never...
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ArctusCanusLupus 1 hour ago
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@suddenlyitsobvious You sound incredibly pretentious for a person who has yet to say anything even remotely clever. All you successfully did was insult a man suffering from a horrifying disease. Stun silence is quite interestingly synonymous to "dumb-founded" because we sure as hell found you didn't we.
ArctusCanusLupus 1 hour ago
I noticed Hawking tends to come up a lot, being no doubt a source of inspiration to the stagiaires. Not to be anal but I would like to point out that it's NOT Hawking who's making statements, it's his voicebox.
In reality, Hawking could be a complete retard incapable not only of movement but of thought, who is being used like a puppet on a string.
Several issues in fact do point in that direction, but I suppose people prefer not hearing what precisely it is I'm alluding at...
suddenlyitsobvious 3 hours ago
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@suddenlyitsobvious wow....1),2),3) and 4) are lingual masterpieces. "despite all the reckless & gratuitous invectives, scurrilous sentimentality or inversely, frigid scorn, with what appears to be after all a certain 'je ne sais quoi'" that was awesome lol.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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...achieving their 'artistic jubilee' with adversaries of perhaps a somewhat lesser caliber, and I must admit it pleasures me that my contestations of the dominant 'ethos' priveleged on this thread do appear to meet, despite all the reckless & gratuitous invectives, scurrilous sentimentality or inversely, frigid scorn, with what appears to be after all a certain 'je ne sais quoi' -respect certainly, fear perhaps? Admiration? Hmmm...
suddenlyitsobvious 3 hours ago
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...that if my arguments have fostered rabid resistance and indeed contestation, they have never been marked as spam,
as if the evolutionists demurred, and with cogency, at the ignominy of so
blatantly thwarting the efflorescence of a true debate beyond repair, presumably correctly
intuiting that it would signify nothing less than the raising of a white flag.
For me are reserved corybantic shouts and thoughtless obsequiousness at best,
the typical eudemonistic arguments...
suddenlyitsobvious 3 hours ago
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Of course I've suffered extensive procrastination from all my adversaries
and the most pitiful bombast from intellectual Calibans such as egamble,
who is not even minimally conversant with the social institutions that perennially hatch
the bizarre & unsubstantiatedd notions he's the self-proclaimed prophet of
-if with a significant time-lag and even when no longer in agreement with
their original import, but it is indeed almost mystifying...
suddenlyitsobvious 3 hours ago
Well, though some people here are wont to affirm I'm nothing but a
sweet-toothed chatterbox, a gifted fabulist dealing
in similes, it is striking to note how many interventions on this thread are
being marked as spam, an occurrence I've been spared so far which is all the
more remarkable considering my rather large contribution to the debate (that
sadly nonetheless fails to take off). Indeed, NOT A SINGLE one of my posts has been
marked as spam EVER!!!
suddenlyitsobvious 3 hours ago
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@suddenlyitsobvious
You know suds, when you make claims such as "NOT A SINGLE one of my posts has been marked as spam EVER!!!" you really leave yourself open. Here you go:
"This has been flagged as spam hide • Not Spam
'The issues you raise and the points you make are often so brilliant and packaged so neatly,...'
Well! Good heavens!
suddenlyitsobvious 1 month ago.
You were saying..?
erehwon80 49 seconds ago
Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.
ArctusCanusLupus 4 hours ago
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@ArctusCanusLupus "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing"
You are lying, gravity is not enough to make stars form or galaxies to cluster
what evolution says? quantom fluctuations which already require existing stars to explode in supernova's
if this infinetely small dot; the singularity suddenly started to expand, it's gravity would just pull it back silly, oh but when it comes to galaxies clustering THEN gravity can do the job, lmao
xXsakkelaoXx 3 hours ago
@xXsakkelaoXx You really must not know what you're talking about. That or you need to take a few more English classes, coherency isn't your strong side. Not to mention that random jumble of nonsense, is that supposed to make me believe you have an educated background to be making such comments? Where did you get your degree in astrology and quantum physics?
ArctusCanusLupus 3 hours ago
@ArctusCanusLupus You have yet to point out were GRAVITY can explain that something will CREATE ITSELF from nothing lololol, what a retard, site me the scientific site that states this as an observed fact. Get real dumbass
xXsakkelaoXx 3 hours ago
@xXsakkelaoXx Okay, slow your roll speed racer. 1. Gravity is itself is an unfathomably large theory that has obsessed the lives of hundreds of thousands of physics and scientists for thousands of years, I never once mentioned that Gravity could explain how something could create itself. I was simply quoting a novel by Stephen Hawking, it was his words not mine, though I find it amusing how you cite one of the world's most intelligent men as a "dumbass" can't grasp the info.
ArctusCanusLupus 3 hours ago
@xXsakkelaoXx The key word I cited was "law" such as gravity. You do know the text book definition of law right? Because of the fact that Gravity is a law can continue to explain...ya I'm not even going to attempt a synopsis of Hawking's work to someone who obviously doesn't have the attention span to even remotely grasp its intellectual intricacies of a man who has a lot more belief in his theories than thousands of priests have in their Gods.
ArctusCanusLupus 3 hours ago
What is the name of that gentleman talking in the video? I swear I recognise him.
lethalsub 4 hours ago
If an all knowing all powerful deity does really exist then I pity it. Nothing would be new to it,nothing could surprise or shock it.Nothing would be funny. It could never truly know how it feels to laugh and enjoy a joke heard for the first time. I wonder if it could 'feel' anything.
TheHonestRoger 14 hours ago
"If man came from monkys y r there still monkys"
LOL If man came from dirt why is there still dirt? :D
JesusSuckedGayPenis 14 hours ago 5
@JesusSuckedGayPenis for some reason creationists cant seem to grasp the concept of "a common ancestor" instead they seem to accept that evolution states we evolved from monkeys or apes, which is absurd if they picked up an actual book other than the bible they would realize that apes and humans diverged from a common ancestor. "humans didn't evolve from apes" ya no shit dumb ass, where in any evolutionary text book does it say that?
ArctusCanusLupus 4 hours ago
@ArctusCanusLupus Yeah that's why I've given up on hard-core theists and simply use them as a source of amusement. Now I argue ludicrous claims of my own and ask them to prove me wrong, it's fun watching "them" try and get their heads around other concepts that are just as nonsense as their claims :D
JesusSuckedGayPenis 45 minutes ago
creationists is stupid x1000
mrblackout2000 1 day ago
@mrblackout2000 are*
retard
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
Hey shitheads, I see you were never able to answer me, thanks for the victory, it boosted my faith, again: thank you!
xXsakkelaoXx 1 day ago
"and you do realize that the earths rotation has nothing to do with waves.right? the wind is what cause waves .herp derp!"
Fundies say the damnedest things, don't they...should we really continue to indulge this poor idiot-boy?
Pythol 1 day ago
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@Pythol youre an idiot. the earths rotation doesnt cause waves lol...As the wind blows over the water, it tries to drag the surface of the water with it. The surface water cannot move as fast as air, so the water rises. After it rises, the water is pulled back down by gravity. The falling water's momentum is carried below the surface, and water pressure from below pushes this swell back up again. This tug of war between gravity and water pressure creates wave motion...idiots....*double facepalm*
erickshun01 21 hours ago
@erickshun01
FYI:Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the moon and the sun and the rotation of the Earth.
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy FYI: no. the rotation of the earth literally has 0 to do with the waves that happen. the sun and moon yes... the wind and gravity yes...the rotation of the earth....dumb.
erickshun01 4 hours ago
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@erickshun01
"otation of the earth literally has 0 to do"
Incorrect. The Coriolis effect has a major impact on oceanic currents, and therefore on wave patterns.
MrGralgrathor 3 hours ago
@erickshun01
Also...
Tidal changes are the net result of multiple influences that act over varying periods. These influences are called tidal constituents. The primary constituents are the Earth's rotation, the positions of moon and the sun relative to Earth, the moon's altitude (elevation) above the Earth's equator, and bathymetry.
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy first offff. bathymetry has no place here in your argument...its the study of how deep the ocean is...second, "tidal waves" are not caused by tides this is the american name for tsunami which are caused by geological disturbances such as earthquakes and land slides. what you are describing here are "tidal bores". and they occur on rivers and creeks in parts of the world where the tides get really big. The river or creek needs be narrow with a deep and wide estuary...
erickshun01 4 hours ago
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@erickshun01
"bathymetry has no place"
On the contrary. local oceanic depth is a major factor in determining what have patterns to expect.
XGralgrathor 3 hours ago
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@erickshun01
"tidal waves"
He said: tidal changes. The tides *will* influence local oceanic conditions.
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@AtheistToothFairy ...a bit like a giant funnel. When all this water reaches the narrow river mouth, there's simply too much to fit in and the water level rises so quickly that a wave forms. with the fact being that there would be no river mouths or anything of the like because all land is underwater....your "tidal BORES" would not exist. it would soon dissipate.
erickshun01 4 hours ago
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@Pythol also tectonic plates occasionally cause tsunamis...but this happens when one plate, which happens to be floating along on the athensohere, runs into another plate which is also floating along...the only thing that the rotation of the earth does is make night and day...so. with this said....who is the poor idiot boy now...holy piss there is so much dumb in your brain. we gotta get that shit out before it spreads.
erickshun01 21 hours ago
/watch?v=W3KxU63gcF4&feature=related
mutations? only a fool would believe that!
xXsakkelaoXx 2 days ago
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mutations? I don't think so..
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erickshun01 2 days ago
alright i have been challenged to stand my ground and argue my stance as a creationist on these videos. in order to believe in evolution one would indeed need to have never thought a thought ONCE. Any takers?
erickshun01 2 days ago
@erickshun01 You a Noah's ark man?
Pythol 2 days ago
@Pythol i am! have at it!
erickshun01 2 days ago
@erickshun01 Where did all the water come from and where is it now?
Pythol 2 days ago
@Pythol haha is that a question? it came up forth from the earth. the vents in the ocean. they still spew water like its their job. and the first time it rained it rained for forty days and nights. previous to this "flood" rain had never happened. also the axis of the earth was horizontal with no tilt meaning that ice also would have not been present on the earth because of the equal amount of sunlight hitting every part of the planet.
erickshun01 2 days ago
@erickshun01 If it came from under the earth, that would have left a vast hollow, gravity would have caused a collapse. Where did the water go afterwards?
Pythol 2 days ago
@Pythol um. no....? it is still happening now and there is no "vast hollow" and im pretty sure that the earth didnt collapse...ever heard of a hypothermal vent? yeah. geothermally heated water still shoots up out of vents in the ocean. the earth is geologically "alive" if you will and has large amounts of water in its crust...
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 If the entire planet was submerged in water that came from under the earth, then that vast quantity of water would, for the duration of the flood, have been above ground. Since the water could not simultaneously have been both above AND below ground level, what happened to the underground space that had previously been filled with water??
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol ha what? of course the vast majority of the flood was above ground. i thought that was common sense. isnt that what a flood is? when water level gets higher that a portion of land.....dude...there is still water coming out of our earth. did you miss that whole hydrothermal vent comment...? water has cycles. it comes out of the earth. it gets evaporated. it rains it back down to earth. when the plates move water that was previously ABOVE ground can get pushed and trapped BELOW ground...
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01
Speaking of flood, here's a great comedy cartoon about Noah's Flood. Be sure to watch both parts.
Noah's Ark (part 1 of 2)
/watch?v=j_BzWUuZN5w
AtheistToothFairy 10 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy haha thats funny. but unfortunately thats nothing what it would be like. for one all of the worm species could survive outside of the ark. two how things actually go, according to the law of entropy and the bible, things get shittier, because of sin. so essentially, noah would have had to take only certain,highly advanced, families of animals and insects and they would then dilute themselves through time and breeding.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy pretty much what im saying here is that all of the animals and insects we have to day probably branched off from a significantly less number of better animals and insects, but having the same general dna structure, just shittier and filled with mutations.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
@Pythol ....where it is then geothermally heated and spewed back out from a different vent. some ice gets frozen rather than evaporated this also accounts for a mass majority of water...dude its even a fact that the entire earth was once covered in water so i dont understand what your tying to prove with this...are you a troll....? :D
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 Please read slowly through what I wrote. This is getting tiresome.
Pythol 1 day ago
@erickshun01 If enough water came from underneath the earth's surface to cover the mountain tops, what occupied the subterranean space that the water had previously occupied??
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol dude. what part of. "shit fucking moves around" dont you understand....SHIT FUCKING MOVES AROUND! WHAT mountain tops!!! at the time of this. there might have not even been mountains also. did you miss the part where i said that early earth was covered in water? < fact. what about when i said that if all of the ice melted the earth would be covered in water now...even with all of the mountains we have.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 So, you're now suggesting that the world's mountain ranges sprang up in just a few thousand years??!!
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol wow, you are a retard, this dude erickshun01 is pwning you and you make up shit? heck, when we ask you for the mechanism for the big bang to inflate or even explode to start with like what caused it: you say you don't know and then you accuse this guy of being stupid? hilarious, i've wasted so much time on your bullshit
xXsakkelaoXx 1 day ago
@xXsakkelaoXx What part of "I don't discuss cosmology with a guy who can hardly add" do you not understand?
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol the question is wrong, it should be more: "what part of I-don't-have-an-answer-for-you, don't you understand"
but again, that would be assuming that I don't understand "one part" of it, when indeed there is really not much to understand but the fact that you are without answers and willingly ignoring the problems with your theory
xXsakkelaoXx 1 day ago
@xXsakkelaoXx I'm calling it as it is: you lack the mathematical competence required to discuss physics, and that's a blunt fact.
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol dude. point here is. youre wrong. 1) it is possible for the entire earth to have been, and to be in the future, covered in water. 2) water is still currently spewing from the earth. 3) the water continues to stay on the earth/somewhere in its cycle within the earth and its atmosphere. i dont see much room for you to retort...i mean. the water came from the earth...and then it stayed there.... simple....
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 Forget it, you're far too stupid to talk to.
Pythol 1 day ago
@Pythol hahaha wow. figures. this is what i get for using information that is not mused up by imaginings of my head. what else do you need? i proved you wrong....the earth can flood. <fact. the earth can flood even with the mountain ranges we have now <fact.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@Pythol this has been the worst argument ever on your part. it just consisted of "wheres the water :3" herp derp! where do you think it is. i told you like nine times.
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and also. what do you mean by "where did it go?" where would it have gone? nowhere, i presume. so its obviously still here. *checks out bedroom window* yup the earth still has oceans. as i said before, the earth is geologically alive. the antediluvian world was probably soooo much different than the modern earth. the sea levels and continents are changing all the time scaled on earth time.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@Pythol also. havnt you ever heard of global warming? the reason everones so pissed is because if all of the ice on earth melts....guess what?!! were gonna fucking be under water......
erickshun01 1 day ago
@Pythol essentially this alleged "God" picked up the ocean and dropped it on the people. all the water is still here just moved around and changed.
erickshun01 2 days ago
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@erickshun01:"essentially this alleged "God" picked up the ocean and dropped it on the people"
Let's see. This is the same god that created the entire universe. The same god that put the 'spark' of life into every single living person.
Yet this all-knowing, all-powerful god, couldn't just take away that SPARK from those he saw as evil and leave the good alone, but instead he forms this complex flood plan, which kills most of everything and doesn't even solve SIN
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy well let me ask this. if you, being half as intelligent as the people who allegedly imagined the whole bible conspiracy up in order to brainwash everyone, would have to be. Why is it that they didnt put that instead? i mean it seems like a whole lot less work to me. why would they have made up something so unbelievable? why not just snuff out the spark....well this will be cont. on another comment.....
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"as the people who allegedly imagined the whole bible conspiracy up in order to brainwash everyone"
I take it that you've not spent much time researching modern URBAN LEGENDS, have you?
It didn't have to be a well thought out conspiracy at all.
Such legends tend to take on a life of their own, starting out small and then keep growing with the re-telling of them, just as happens today with stories (and even jokes)
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy yeah except that the book of urban legends has yet to pump out even one prophecy let alone one that comes to pass. guess what? the bible has yet to fail in its prophesying...300 hundred years apart from each other different men from different continents wrote the same things and prophesied the same things and then they came true...a lot more than coincidence....
erickshun01 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy "I take it that you've not spent much time researching modern URBAN LEGENDS, have you?" Oh maybe like the legends that absolutely all the tribes today have about a global flood with mountaintops covered and birds flying out?
xXsakkelaoXx 1 day ago
@xXsakkelaoXx 'absolutely all the tribes today have about a global flood with mountaintops covered and birds flying out'
Yeah, liar for god.but every damned one of the stories is about a LOCAL flood.
Not a one of them is about your god, an ark loaded with animals & being afloat for a year.
you pathetic desperate assholes will grasp at any straw in an effort to prove that nonsense really happened.
egamble22 16 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy ....well for one humans dont run on sparks they run on oxygen....also EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING except for noah, his family, and the animals that came to him was, in the eyes of God, corrupted. and also one more thing...you say this "complex" flood plan...making water spew from vents in the earth and rain down for forty days and nights....doesnt really seem all that complex when you think about the artificer of the universe.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"well for one humans dont run on sparks they run on oxygen"
1. First off, 'the spark of life' is an EXPRESSION.
2. FACT: Without electricity (spark) we'd all be lumps of dead flesh.
3. We need energy from food, not just O2.
4. Having Noah build an impossible boat, rain for months etc etc, is far more complex than just zapping everyone into non-existence with a snap of his fingers.
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy o2 is where it starts. the body runs because of oxygen that is carried to it in the blood. no oxygen in the brain means no telling the heart to pump blood to the rest of it.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"o2 is where it starts. the body runs because of oxygen that is carried to it in the blood"
Well guess what....If I deprive you of O2 intake, you can still live for several minutes.
If I stop your heart, you can also live for a few minutes.
If I stop the electrical activity in you body, you are instantly dead.
So which one is the most critical here again, hmmm
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy ? um no. if you stop your heart youre dead within seconds...if you destroy the bodies electrical signaling process then....youre also dead within seconds....either way it really has nothing to do with the fact that the flood is beyond feasible.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"either way it really has nothing to do with the fact that the flood is beyond feasible"
Sure it does, because as I already pointed out, god could have instantly killed all the sinful humans and spared all the INNOCENT wildlife, not to mention the havoc to the planet itself he caused.
Oh, and this flood story was stolen and flood stories were a dime a dozen just because folks lived by large waterways which now and then caused flooding, just like they do TODAY
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy dude. you saying "my way would have been easier" its pointless. for one god wanted to interact with his creation. second...both scenarios would have been effortless for him. he exerted literally 0% of his total energy making that flood happen. and how was it stolen if it was the first....?
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"he exerted literally 0% of his total energy making that flood happen"
1. You're assuming this, as you have no idea what god's energy resources are, although I'm sure YOU think they are infinite.
2. If god has all this infinite power and knowledge, then why did this flood plan FAIL to get rid of the sin in the world?
i.e. Why didn't god foresee this plan as the failure it turned out to be?
3. Why didn't he make a BETTER Adam and Eve, and avoid all this sin stuff?
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy no. from knowing that he literally spoke and nothingness became something and he did this effortlessly...i can also know that a task that would require less effort....would require less effort.....
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01
Oh please, do explain how god made all this 'something', but 'NOTHING', just by speaking.
BTW do sound waves travel in a vacuum of NOTHING?
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
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@AtheistToothFairy there was never nothing...or else there would always and forever be nothing <logic.
erickshun01 22 hours ago
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@erickshun01:"there was never nothing"
Great, so then we agree that 'nothing' is not a natural state and therefore something elemental must have existed that preceded our universe and all that's in it.
Of course YOU will say it was a god, but you have yet to prove it was.
AtheistToothFairy 20 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy well here we go the big bang: an infinitely dense ball that held all of space time and matter in it existed in the beginning. every action has an equal and opposite reaction.also energy cannot be created or destroyed; only transferred. this means that an equal and opposite power made the singularity explode. this equal and opposite power was OUTSIDE of space time and matter because all of that was inside the singularity. meaning that it was spaceless, timeless,and matterless
erickshun01 22 hours ago
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@erickshun01:"infinitely dense ball that held all of space time and matter in it"
Yes, but only for OUR universe, which tells us exactly nothing about other universes.
No one, including YOU, has quite figured out why space and time suddenly 'popped' into being. At this point, we can't even say that the singularity was the start of it all.
But no matter what the cause, there simply is NO reason to assume some mystical entity did it
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy "Yes, but only for OUR universe, which tells us exactly nothing about other universes."
well that contradicts observed fact, other universes? site me a scientific paper that states this as a fact.
"But no matter what the cause, there simply is NO reason to assume some mystical entity did it" There is no reason not to believe him either, but what we can do is see if the bible fits with reality, and according to observed evidence like HELIUM, it does
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy further more...absolutely nothing never existed. if it had there would still be absolutely nothing now. but something else does exist...like you for example. since nothingness never existed, there was always a time when there was something in existence. this can be called the "eternal something" this something has no beginning and no end, has no needs for itself that it itself cannot meet because it is eternal....
erickshun01 22 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy this eternal something doesnt produce other somethings out of need because it has no needs because it is eternal. THEREFORE. if it does produce something else other than itself it must DECIDE to do so. that means that this something has a will. THUS it is personal. THERFORE this eternal something must actually be an eternal someone (or someones). since someone has no needs that he itself cant fill he can exist in any kind of environment.
erickshun01 22 hours ago
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@erickshun01:" if it does produce something else other than itself it must DECIDE to do so"
You don't live in reality do you?
Does the snow falling know it will make a snow mound?
Does the water in a river know it will inflict damage upon life if it overflows it's banks in a hurry.
Nature is MINDLESS. Get over it!
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "Nature is MINDLESS. Get over it!" exactly, so that would mean that mutations are mindless to right? and if you study cells you will find incredible design, not something that can be assumed to form randomly from copying errors (to already existing information = mutations(rescrambling already existing information))
why some scientists believe that I find baffling, they even state that it's absurd but chose to deny a god and therefore have to believe it...
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy ...for he existed when there was nothing else but him. any environment would be outside of him and therefore would need to be produced. this someone is not bound by time and space because he is eternal and can exist in himself. this means he transcends space and time. if he does this he can be everywhere in space and time. so when something else is produced(ie you) it will exist within the eternal someones time and space.
erickshun01 22 hours ago
@erickshun01:"this someone is not bound by time and space because he is eternal and can exist in himself"
These are wild claims, and we all know you can't support them with evidence, so why assert them to us?
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "These are wild claims, and we all know you can't support them with evidence, so why assert them to us?" you would be doing the same if you said that bigbang was fact and actually happened, the EXACT same. (you might not have said that the bigbang did cause the universe so don't flip out, but i'm assuming it, btw: that was why I wrote: "if")
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy *facepalm* yeah if you only look at that part it seems wild....but are you aware of what logic is? like the actual mathematical proofs for language? that was logic. that sentence there was one of the conclusions to its previous premesses...the previous premesses were valid and lead to that conclusion...which is indeed not empirical. BUT it is a STRONG, SOUND and VALID conclusion...much more of an argument than you have formed i might add.
erickshun01 5 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy i can put it into symbolic logic if you need me to to make it easy to understand....like if A then B therefore C type of deal.
erickshun01 5 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy simply put. the definition of my God is he is perfect. non-existence is an imperfection. therefore my god exists. <logic. also.....all of what has been stated are valid premisses that lead to a valid, sound, and strong conclusion. thus. any argument formed claiming that this is untrue will be an argument against logic itself...have fun.
erickshun01 22 hours ago
@erickshun01:"the definition of my God is he is perfect"
The big problem with this statement, is that no one knows what a PERFECT being would be, let alone a perfect 'god'.
So this attribute you claim, holds zero meaning, except to YOU
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "no one knows what a PERFECT being would be"
you are right! according to evolution that is, there is absolutely no definition of perfect,
but according to the bible which is the written word of god (for the sake of argument just allow me to state it), god is the definition of perfect, so IF the bible was true, then someone DOES know what perfect is.
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy wow. just wow. im having a conversation with a person who doesnt know what the definition of perfect is...just whoa... i mean wow. just.....what the fuck.....PERFECT: a state of completeness and flawlessness....so no. apparently this attribute i claim also holds meaning with the english language...which you happen to be speaking right now....a perfect being would be a being that is complete...FLAWLESS...or do those words have no meaning to you wither?
erickshun01 5 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy what youre trying to do right now is prove the ontological argument wrong...which might i add was formed by someone many many years ago, who was way way more intelligent than the both of us....it has been a VALID SOUND AND STRONG argument all of these years and you saying "no" isnt going to change that....sorry.
erickshun01 5 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy 2) the reason he flooded the earth WAS NOT to get rid of sin...it was to kill a shitton of people who actively disobeyed god even after seeing him...noah still had sin...he still had to sacrifice animals to atone...the reason for this was to essentially cleanse the earth of everything the people had done up until then. because you see that this wasnt a plan to "end sin" it didnt fail in this purpose.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"it was to kill a shitton of people who actively disobeyed god even after seeing him"
You failed bible study, didn't you?
You also fail to realize that your all-everything god, is clearly an idiot when it comes to making human pets that please him, not to mention he couldn't even make angels without having 1/3 of them turn against him.
Yes, your god is truly incompetent and needs to be FIRED from his day job
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
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@AtheistToothFairy lol. show me where it says the flood was Gods plan to eradicate sin....nowhere does it say that...noah and the four families that were on the boat with him all still were sinners...youre an idiot man. you cant even comprehend the intricacies of the system that has been made. evolution defies all three of newtons laws of the universe, the second law of thermodynamics, the law of biogenesis, the law of conservation of energy, COMMON SENSE.....
erickshun01 22 hours ago
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@AtheistToothFairy ....LOGIC....and yet you throw all of these laws away to believe a fucking flimsy theory taught by teachers that youre probably smarter than....
erickshun01 22 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy also. adam and eve were GODS they were physically immortal. they lived in a universe where death didnt exist. God designed everything after himself. so when we see trees that bear fruit. and herbs that bear seeds. and we see animals giving life to other animals. so too did god wish to do. unfortunately adam and eve were only like him physically. intellectually they had nothing. they were like children in men and woman bodies.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 'also. adam and eve were GODS they were physically immortal'
You are a liar. There were supposed to be TWO trees in the garden. They ate from the 1 that gave them knowledge but they were expelled from the garden before they had a chance to eat from the tree that would have given them immortality.
You are an embarrassment to your faith.
egamble22 1 day ago
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@egamble22 dude. dont tell me about the bible... "When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned." before adam and eve ate from the knowledge of good and evil...sin didnt exist...therefore neither did death...if death did not come to adam and eve.....that means they were imortal....physically perfect if you will. now. dont you feel like an ass....
erickshun01 23 hours ago
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@erickshun01:"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world."
Right, and if your god was a doofus, maybe he would have made Adam up to the standards that would please this god, so your god is a FAILURE and always was in everything IT touched
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "Right, and if your god was a doofus, maybe he would have made Adam up to the standards that would please this god, so your god is a FAILURE and always was in everything IT touched"
but why would he do that? then Adam would be gods doll, and he doesn't want that, he wants us to have free will, this is perfectly logical, how else could we love him and he us if we are simply dolls in his dollhouse?
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
@erickshun01 ‘'dont tell me about the bible'
SOMEBODY sure as hell needs to do so.
'"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world'
A&E ‘sin’ was disobedience. Are you foolish enough to believe the ‘sins’ of working on a certain day, dissing your parents, wanting what your neighbor has, lying, stealing, getting a piece of ass, misusing god’s name, murder & such would not have entered the world if A&E hadn’t eaten the fruit?
Are you REALLY that stupid!!!!!!!!!!
egamble22 17 hours ago
@egamble22 "Are you REALLY that stupid!!!!!!!!!!" yes ofcourse, that is human nature, that is why we needed Jesus who was perfect that didn't sin as the eternal sin offering so that we can became saved (clean enough) to meet god.
Your sircular reasoning is NOT an argument.
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
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@egamble22 no but apparently you are. are you aware of what "sin" even is? well im sure you arent because you wouldnt be making an argument so poorly constructed. the word "sin" comes from archery. it means to "miss the mark" when the archers missed, the watcher would yell "sin". God has knowledge of all good and evil but is able to CHOOSE to not do anything evil. when A&E ate the "fruit" they became AWARE of good and evil, not being able to choose only the good actions like God can.
erickshun01 4 hours ago
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@egamble22 ....having become self conscious(which is represented by their realization of nakedness and shame of it.) they were no longer innocent. having not the ability to only choose righteous actions like God can, the were temped and they fell. which brings me back around to missing the mark. the mark is an un-erring righteousness...which everyone misses...therefore through the self and moral awareness that humans have gained as a result of A&E everyone "sins" understand?
erickshun01 4 hours ago
@erickshun01 'before adam and eve ate from the knowledge of good and evil...sin didnt exist...therefore neither did death'
Poor, poor nitwit. you don't even have the intelligence to read that pile of nonsense for yourself.
Read Gen 3:22-24, fool. There was 2 trees. A&E ate from the tree of knowledge. God was afraid they would also eat from the tree of life AND LIVE FOREVER!!
egamble22 17 hours ago
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@egamble22 *sigh* did you not read my comments? yes there were two trees. but this life is a test of character. it is to teach us how to live. it is essentially the pre-school for eternity. if A&E ate the fruit of knowledge, then walked right over to the fruit of immortality, they would still not have "Godly character" they would have not been able to know how to CHOOSE GOOD OVER EVIL, THUS, they would have been immortals, who were constantly committing evil acts....
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 prior to the consumption of the knowledge, sin didnt exist. they were like little children, little, immortal children who didnt know right from wrong. after they ate. they then KNEW right from wrong and lacked the ability to choose right always. this is why the tree of life is taken from them, but not permanently because one day we will all eat of the tree of life.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
@erickshun01 ‘sin didnt exist’
The ‘sin’ was for your stupid ass god’S failure to use his omniscience to know A&E would eat the forbidden fruit, the snake was in the garden & he should have PLACED THE GODDAMNED TREEES OUT OF THEIR REACH
‘therefore neither did death’
Read Gen 3:22-24, idiot. A&E were never immortal
‘dont you feel like an ass’
Here I am, exposing you for an indoctrinated, mentally lobotomized idiot - and you think I'm feeling like an ass.
ROTFLMAO!!!
egamble22 17 hours ago
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@egamble22 indubitably, if you never studied the bible this is what you would conclude. and yet again i assume you didnt see my comments where i explained this...this ALL HAPPENED ON PURPOSE. God DID know that they would eat the fruit...he place it in the middle of the fucking garden and TOLD THEM WHERE IT WAS. he then ALLOWED the Ba'aal to tempt them into eating the fruit.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 he ALLOWED them to eat of it. notice how he says, "they have eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, THEY HAVE BECOME LIKE US" which means they knew both good and evil. having not the ability to choose only good like god can, they must, like every other human, pass the "school of life" if you will. A&E had perfect physical bodies prior to eating the fruit. but not Perfect MINDS. which is why we are here according to the bible. to grow and learn.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 also man. you are looking like a real big ass right now because anyone who knew anything about the story would know this. its very simple actually. A&E didnt know of good or evil prior to eating the first fruit. they were ignorant so they could not be judged. "the wages of sin is death". sin didnt exist before this. therefore death didnt exist before this. after falling from godliness, they were not allowed to rise back into it. until the story ends.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy when they came to eat the fruit that gave them knowledge of good and evil. it set into motion an education system essentially. a "school of life" if you will. he then sent jesus as the "second Adam" who was actually an adam incarnate to lead everyone to have Godly character. so. after all of this is done. god will have successfully created offspring in the sense that we will have the godly bodies of the first adam, and the godly character of the second.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 You are lying your ass off on your comic book of horrors.
egamble22 1 day ago
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@egamble22 dude you have no idea what the bible even teaches so stop talking. "its shallow enough for a baby to wade in but deep enough for an elephant to swim in" just because you can only comprehend the very most shallow level doesnt mean that im wrong.
erickshun01 23 hours ago
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@erickshun01 'dude you have no idea what the bible even teaches so stop talking. "its shallow enough for a baby to wade in but deep enough for an elephant to swim in" just because you can only comprehend the very most shallow level doesnt mean that im wrong'
This bullshit reply doesn't explain WHY you are not wrong.
Poor loser, you don't have the slightest idea how to address issues.
egamble22 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "Oh, and this flood story was stolen and flood stories were a dime a dozen just because folks lived by large waterways which now and then caused flooding, just like they do TODAY"
what?? that doesn't explain the "mountaintops being covered" and "birds flying out"
xXsakkelaoXx 1 day ago
@xXsakkelaoXx:"that doesn't explain the "mountaintops being covered" and "birds flying out""
So you're really going to side with the Fundies who insist that some global flood put seashells on the top of mountains?
And what's this about 'birds flying out'.....what birds and flying out from where?
You SEEM to be intelligent, so it's hard for me to believe you buy this Noah Flood MYTH
AtheistToothFairy 21 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy "You SEEM to be intelligent, so it's hard for me to believe you buy this Noah Flood MYTH"
huh, that was surprizing, I mean, from an atheist, but if I remember correctly you said that tribes got these legends from rivers overflowing? well the fact is that the legends countain much more detaild stories than that like what I said, and you didn't really answer me did you? you just waved your hand and said "do you really believe that?" HELIUM!
xXsakkelaoXx 7 hours ago
@erickshun01 'Any takers'
The ark would have been a 3'story boat with over 02,000sq ft. That's about half the space in a superwalmart. Tha boat was loaded with air-breathing animals. However, the only source of fresh air was a 3ft sq opening in the top. Explain why all the animals didn't die because it would be impossible to ventilate that much crowded space in a 3-story building even if there was cross ventilation - which did not exist.
egamble22 1 day ago
@egamble22 sorry man. the arc was over 100,000 square feet...i dont know how the fuck you got 2,000....
erickshun01 1 day ago
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@erickshun01 'sorry man. the arc was over 100,000 square feet...i dont know how the fuck you got 2,000'
You are right. I intended to write 102,000sq ft.
Now, back to my point.
How could a single opening in the top provide sufficient oxygen to ventilate that 102,000sq ft building, filled with animals?
egamble22 1 day ago
@egamble22 the arc would have roughly housed around 2,000 individuals with accommodations for up to 16,000....also if every animal was an infant....or eggs....it could have worked no problem. it doesnt say "all fully grown animals are to be on the arc...even the ones that can survive the flood on their own"
erickshun01 1 day ago
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@erickshun01 'the arc would'
It's 'ark' you dumb shit.
'if every animal was an infant'
Infants require far more attention than grownups
'or eggs'
Eggs have to be incubated. Eight people couldn't sit on that many eggs, idiot.
'it doesnt say "all fully grown animals are to be on the arc'
It does say god sent them to the ark.
If they were all babies or eggs, then who taught them their skills.
Is this your best shot, moron?
egamble22 1 day ago
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@egamble22 yeah only i didnt fucking say attention now did i. i said food you troll. and it says that all of the animals came to noah. an adult animal is just as stupid as a baby animal. most animals are born with instincts. no one teaches human babies to swim right of of the womb but the fucking do. regardless of whether they are fully grown or not. most will know how to walk. so....gtfo you fucking moron.
erickshun01 23 hours ago
@erickshun01 'and it says that all of the animals came to noah'
It sure as hell does. So, how did those eggs get to him? Did they walk? LOL
'most animals are born with instincts'
You are the only person foolish enough to believe that any wild baby animal deprived of its mother, in most cases, will die because they don't have anyone to teach them the skills needed to survive.
Yes moron, they are born with instincts. But they must be taught the skills needed to apply them.
Damn!!
egamble22 16 hours ago
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@egamble22 it says the land was much more compact at this time. the animals came to him way before they actually departed. the animals that lay eggs could have walked there, then laid the eggs then noah and his helpers could have put them on the boat...not that hard to fathom. and yes most animals are born with instincts. human babies can SWIM right out of the womb!!! im pretty sure that no one taught them that. also the animals were following Gods voice, they were obeying him.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 ...there were no predators for them because every animal was obeying gods commands. in todays world yes, most animal babies will not survive in the wild without being taught to evade predators and gather food...but the thing is is that world would have been like an alien planet to us. the antediluvian world had different kinds of animals and different kinds of workings. so i mean...youre wrong lol.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
@erickshun01 'whether they are fully grown or not. most will know how to walk'
What about those that didn't know how to walk - like the tree sloth.
Also they didn't how to hunt. And when they got off ther ark, there was nothing for them to eat
'gtfo you fucking moron'
SEZ the braindead, brainfried, indoctrinated, mentally lobotomized liar for god.
You are going a great job holding up your end of this exchange. NOT!!!
LOL
egamble22 16 hours ago
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@egamble22 who says that the tree sloth of those days didnt know how to walk? were you there? and im not saying ALL of the animals were babies. just the ones that would necessarily have to be because of their size...and also...they didnt need to know how to hunt. they didnt get off of the boat until all vegetation was grown again....which brings me to the next point. all of the animals of this time were not yet carnivorous. they ALL ate fruits and vegetables.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 and also im answering all of your questions with good, LOGICALLY PROVED answers....lets see how well you do when its your turn to defend against evolution. which is by the way more defiant of science itself than the belief in god.
erickshun01 3 hours ago
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@egamble22 also eggs can be incubated without electricity you fucking tard. boil water...put thick rags into water. wrap eggs in rags. people dont have to sit on any eggs fuckface.
erickshun01 23 hours ago
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@erickshun01 'also eggs can be incubated without electricity you fucking tard. boil water...put thick rags into water. wrap eggs in rags. people dont have to sit on any eggs fuckface'
So, instead of the 8 people using their 10 seconds to feed, clean & water animals, the spent them keeping fires going heating water & wrapping thousands of eggs in warm rags to (LOL incubate them.
What about the thousands of animals that were mammals who would have eaten the eggs?
egamble22 17 hours ago
@erickshun01 'Any takers'
At the time of the 'fluud', the only material available to hold objects together was wooden pegs and rope. The ark + animals + 1 yrar's food would have weighed at least 10,000 tons. You can't even explain how the ark would have held together on dry land, let alone how it would have held up to a SINGLE 500ft wave without falling completely apart.
egamble22 1 day ago
@egamble22 1) gopher wood (which is what it was made of) is EXTREMELY buoyant and durable. 2) you are making the assumption that this is all they had 3) what makes you think that a wave would hit them? you do remember that in this story the Artificer of existence itself if guiding noah and his family....also you forget that the animals were babies...they weigh significantly less and eat even lesser
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"gopher wood (which is what it was made of) is EXTREMELY buoyant and durable"
FYI: No one today even knows what this GOPHER WOOD was, so FAIL
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy i mean being that this would have taken place during a time that had different plants and such....i wouldnt really consider that a fail...
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:" i mean being that this would have taken place during a time that had different plants and such"
Great, now all you need to do is show us what Gopher wood was and why it was special enough to allow Noah to build a boat so large that it can't be duplicated today using just wood, because it would break apart from the stresses upon it and that is just floating, not to mention in heavy seas
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy well. "gopher" is also thought of as a lamination process. if the wood had been laminated with some sort of hardening substance it would easily stand sturdy.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01:"gopher" is also thought of as a lamination process"
1. I think you better provide a citation for that assertion, ok
2. I don't care what lamination process they used, that boat still wouldn't have survived, even if it could be made to just float.
3. Have you pondered the problem of feeding all those animals, stopping them from eating each other, getting rid of the POOP and getting FRESH AIR into that boat?
I BET NOT HUH!
AtheistToothFairy 1 day ago
@AtheistToothFairy well i mean the actual translation in the bible is planed or laminated wood so....yeah. and you dont know that it wouldnt withstand it. are you gathering this information from empirical data that you have gathered from your five senses? if not then unfortunately this is not science...also. the animals were babies...meaning that the food,poop, and risk of them killing each other are greatly reduced.
erickshun01 1 day ago
@erickshun01 You're just pulling shit out of your arse. Nobody with an IQ above that of a turnip actually believes that your bronze-age fable actually happened.
Fucking babbling retard.
BlueAvantiGuy 1 day ago
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@BlueAvantiGuy hahahaha dude. youre the one who believes that NOTHING can become SOMETHING at random. literally logically impossible....NOTHINGNESS CANNOT BECOME SOMTHING. thats like saying left can be right....up can be down....black can be white.....CHAOS CAN BE ORDER....who is the fucking babbling retard now? evolution literally defies everything that is known about the physical universe.
erickshun01 22 hours ago
@erickshun01 'evolution literally defies everything that is known about the physical universe'
Let me help you with that comment.
Evolution literally defies everything that YOU know about the physical universe.
egamble22 17 hours ago
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@egamble22 yeah cause apparently IM the only one who knows newtons laws, the law of conservation of energy, the laws of thermodynamics, the law of abiogenesis...you do realize that all of the LAWS of SCIENCE are in DIRECT conflict with the THEORY of evolution.
erickshun01 4 hours ago