Diamond Star Motors* "DSM" was an automobile-manufacturing joint venture between the Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC).
So, in the end... All products made by both Mitsubishi and Chrysler (including engines!) Are considered DSM, until 1999. So, eagle talons, eclipses rs,gs,gst,gsx,etc are considered products of diamond star motors
@fieryfury3 you do realize DSM means diamond star motors. and "diamond star" reffers to the mitsubihi logo. you do realize DSM and mitsubihi are the same thing, right?
FART CANON! Sounds so gay why would you want your car to sound like this? You have to know that nobody hears that and thinks its a sweet car coming. Im not a hater but its common sense!!
i had a 98 rs and are weak sauce those 420a suck balls. if you ever do something to a gs or rs go for an srt4 or evo8 swap ; ) the 420a engine gave me problems all the time and i seen it on other cars as well
Thats why they based the Srt.4 motor off of the 420A not the 4g63 alot more reliable stronger motor and easier to work on too yes I own a 97 eclipse RS and starting to get money together to turbo it and my buddy has a 05 srt4 everything from the intake manifold to the Timing belt is all in the same place Only thing that is different is where the fuel injecters are, 420A is under the intake manifold, srt4 are above down pipe
dont turbo your RS man its a waste of money i did it and yeah it sounds kool but thats about it i sold that car along time ago.....save your money and buy a real car
Also ill bet that the internals of the srt-4 are much different then the N/A 420a in your RS..... would not be surprised if the ratio's are also significantly different too!
I had a GS Eclipse I threw a Hahn kit on a while back. Save yourself the trouble. Sell it and buy a GST or GSX. The 420a won't hold the power and it will be a rebuild project day in and day out. For how cheap a GST or GSX is compared to building a boosted GS isn't worth it. Speaking from experience I don't own that Eclipse anymore. I moved on. Good luck with the build if you really think it's worth it.
not really haveing takin both of these motors apart the srt4 blocks are suprisingly weak ive seen numerouse cases where the t4 blocks have one or both of the ears for the lower bell housing broke clean off. And the blocks are different 420a blocks dont have the spaces on the backto drill out for cooling and oil lines.
@Skippy3931 You must really not know anything about the 4g63. The 420a is no where near as strong as a 4g63. The highest WHP 420a is around 600. Same with the srt-4 motor which is maybe a little more then 600, and then we have the 4g63 which is around 1300-1400 in drag applications, and tons of 1000hp DD's.
@Skippy3931 LMFAO quit sqewing shit out ur mouth kid, the 420a is NOT more reliable then the 4g63 -__- and let me get this straight, ur buddies injectors are above his downpipe? so there on the exhaust side of the engine.... i think thats a big problem there. but ill let u in on a little secret, mitsu wouldnt put a better engine in the eclipse and a shitty one in there flag ship car :/ and thats just the truth
420A even though its a Dodge motor it has the potential to go right on past a Gst or Gsx and their alot more reliable motor once you change the internals (pistons/connecting rods etc.)
My point being 420A is a very strong motor just dodge felt cus it is N/A it didnt need the Upgraded internals a 4g63 has and there for kept it N/A until a person figures out their actually very good power plants ; )
I call bullshit, ive had a 420a and it was the weakest most unreliable engine ive ever had. It developed rod knock for no reason. Screw that motor, 4g63t can atleast make power. If you compare upgrading the internals of both of these engines, the 4g63 can actually hit over 1k hp, while the 420a will never hit it, so its not strong at all
Dude the internals of a turbo 4g63 are different then a N/A 4g63.... you gotta check your info before you post nothing but B.S..... I have had 2 1g turbo talons and 2 2g N/A talons, and the turbo cars are by far the best platform to get mad hp out of.... I would never waste my time or money putting a turbo on my 420a motors.... just dumb!
what motor do you think is in an srt4 all it is, is a stroked 420a. hell we can even use their block and our head. its all dsm. its just in a neon. dsm is NOT just mitsu! and eagle!
Dimond Star Motors is a compony that doesnt exist anymore the only cars they made was the eclipse talon an lazer they dint make the neon an deff dont make the srt4
@franciskith0o sorry to disagree man but your facts are wrong, DSM and 420a are not the same, a 420a is not a DSM and everyone thats owns a dsm will tell you the same thing! 420a is a strictly chrysler motor, not dsm...!!! the same arguement has been going on forever, and its getting old!
Well, I got budget boost... It cost me just over $1,000 to boost. That's doing the installation myself too. I think it's worth it rather than getting a 4G63 and never know when you'll get crank-walk. Just don't boost over 8lbs and get an SAFC controller to tune air/fuel. Goes a long way compared to blowing your motor!
i love DSM, i just dont like the ones with Chrysler motors, id definetly rock a 7bolt GSX and enjoy getting cranwalked. just id never own anything with a 420a regardless if its a neon or a GS/RS eclipse. i like torque wich is why im happy with my KA, add 10 PSI and im walking 20 PSI sr20's
bottom line, if i want a DSM, im getting one with all mitsu, 4G63 or bust (with 7 bolts you get both haha)
dude the 420a isnt that bad..sure its slower that the 4g63, and it makes it look even slower cause its turbo charged with a garret t25. but still, its got 140 horse, and if u boost it with a good turbo in stock internals, you lookating at about 175-180 horse, its a good motor, just not the fastest. and regardless, the car looks good
thats my issue with the 420,with the money youd put into it you get 180, with the same amount you could have a 200+ HP GST, hell you just need to turn up the boost a lil on a GST/X for t to make 200
scratch that, it already has 200, still my point,if i want an eclipse, id get the one with more power, my KA is 155 stock, and you just proved my point why im not a fan of a 420
id take a 420a any day..gst gsx are expensive as hell so you have to start somewhere and work your way up..my brother drove a 95 gs with gsx wheels and gsx spoilers for over a year and it ran great and it did the job, but it did get old and the motor blew, but through the time he had the gs, he had saved enough to get a 97gstspyder, and he just bought a bigegr turbo with better parts and now it has 300+ horse
I agree with you. These 420a engines aren't that great. My mom's sebring has one and I have never been impressed it has no torque or power. idk how much of a difference a turbo would make. My KA felt a lot faster when it was N/A love the torque
Diamond Star Motors* "DSM" was an automobile-manufacturing joint venture between the Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC).
So, in the end... All products made by both Mitsubishi and Chrysler (including engines!) Are considered DSM, until 1999. So, eagle talons, eclipses rs,gs,gst,gsx,etc are considered products of diamond star motors
JDA0421 1 week ago
or could do what i did with my eclpse rip the motor out and put the 4g63 in it
dend8991 5 months ago
Actually I heard only the gs and rs are DSM because the gst and gsx are only Mitsubishi
fieryfury3 8 months ago
@fieryfury3 you do realize DSM means diamond star motors. and "diamond star" reffers to the mitsubihi logo. you do realize DSM and mitsubihi are the same thing, right?
J3FFY28 6 months ago
@fieryfury3 DSM=Diamond Star Motors. So pretty much a DSM is probably gonna be most mitsubishi, Chrystler, and alot of Dodge engines.
TMPJR 4 weeks ago
Nice looking car. Watch my vids ;)
therockrboi68 11 months ago
lol wtf was that?
KOwidit 1 year ago
I have one of these, but this one sounds like shit.
mathyu0179 1 year ago
hahah that was fucken gayyyyy fucken ricer
19CcCc95 2 years ago
what size are those rims?
fkBowdown 2 years ago
FART CANON! Sounds so gay why would you want your car to sound like this? You have to know that nobody hears that and thinks its a sweet car coming. Im not a hater but its common sense!!
ear12861 2 years ago
i had a 98 rs and are weak sauce those 420a suck balls. if you ever do something to a gs or rs go for an srt4 or evo8 swap ; ) the 420a engine gave me problems all the time and i seen it on other cars as well
elqimporta 2 years ago
hmm.. I thought the stock turbo 4G63's had 210HP
dsmshred 2 years ago
Thats why they based the Srt.4 motor off of the 420A not the 4g63 alot more reliable stronger motor and easier to work on too yes I own a 97 eclipse RS and starting to get money together to turbo it and my buddy has a 05 srt4 everything from the intake manifold to the Timing belt is all in the same place Only thing that is different is where the fuel injecters are, 420A is under the intake manifold, srt4 are above down pipe
Skippy3931 2 years ago
dont turbo your RS man its a waste of money i did it and yeah it sounds kool but thats about it i sold that car along time ago.....save your money and buy a real car
xyourxlifex 2 years ago
Also ill bet that the internals of the srt-4 are much different then the N/A 420a in your RS..... would not be surprised if the ratio's are also significantly different too!
Tucker2682 2 years ago
I had a GS Eclipse I threw a Hahn kit on a while back. Save yourself the trouble. Sell it and buy a GST or GSX. The 420a won't hold the power and it will be a rebuild project day in and day out. For how cheap a GST or GSX is compared to building a boosted GS isn't worth it. Speaking from experience I don't own that Eclipse anymore. I moved on. Good luck with the build if you really think it's worth it.
SupraMatt96 2 years ago
not really haveing takin both of these motors apart the srt4 blocks are suprisingly weak ive seen numerouse cases where the t4 blocks have one or both of the ears for the lower bell housing broke clean off. And the blocks are different 420a blocks dont have the spaces on the backto drill out for cooling and oil lines.
50stangs 2 years ago
@Skippy3931 You must really not know anything about the 4g63. The 420a is no where near as strong as a 4g63. The highest WHP 420a is around 600. Same with the srt-4 motor which is maybe a little more then 600, and then we have the 4g63 which is around 1300-1400 in drag applications, and tons of 1000hp DD's.
9boosted 1 year ago
@Skippy3931 LMFAO quit sqewing shit out ur mouth kid, the 420a is NOT more reliable then the 4g63 -__- and let me get this straight, ur buddies injectors are above his downpipe? so there on the exhaust side of the engine.... i think thats a big problem there. but ill let u in on a little secret, mitsu wouldnt put a better engine in the eclipse and a shitty one in there flag ship car :/ and thats just the truth
specialdeathx 6 months ago
@Skippy3931 the 420a is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to dsm motors, that's why they used the 4g63 in the Evo for so long.
RsBl0gger91 4 months ago
Stock 420A=140 horsepower
Stock 4g63=165 Horsepower
420A=4 bolt main
4g63=2 bolt main
420A even though its a Dodge motor it has the potential to go right on past a Gst or Gsx and their alot more reliable motor once you change the internals (pistons/connecting rods etc.)
My point being 420A is a very strong motor just dodge felt cus it is N/A it didnt need the Upgraded internals a 4g63 has and there for kept it N/A until a person figures out their actually very good power plants ; )
Skippy3931 2 years ago
4g63 165 hp?? haha better do some research buddy and 420 a good motor - better do some more research
onebadtsi 2 years ago
I call bullshit, ive had a 420a and it was the weakest most unreliable engine ive ever had. It developed rod knock for no reason. Screw that motor, 4g63t can atleast make power. If you compare upgrading the internals of both of these engines, the 4g63 can actually hit over 1k hp, while the 420a will never hit it, so its not strong at all
mikethecollector 2 years ago
Dude the internals of a turbo 4g63 are different then a N/A 4g63.... you gotta check your info before you post nothing but B.S..... I have had 2 1g turbo talons and 2 2g N/A talons, and the turbo cars are by far the best platform to get mad hp out of.... I would never waste my time or money putting a turbo on my 420a motors.... just dumb!
Tucker2682 2 years ago
i guess there's kind of a novelty in trying to trick out the slowest available engine for a car.. but i might not ever understand it.
escudodark 2 years ago
another ricer...
RalliartGT1 2 years ago
horrible display... pissssfukinpoor!!!!! sell ur car on ebay!
GreeenMeeenie 3 years ago
UUU SOOOOO STUPED
JoelJhonnyBravo 3 years ago
it is a dsm. dsm is not just mitsubishi. thats like saying an srt4 is not dsm.
bsb18sol 3 years ago
srt4 isnt dsm wtf
2gbc 3 years ago
what motor do you think is in an srt4 all it is, is a stroked 420a. hell we can even use their block and our head. its all dsm. its just in a neon. dsm is NOT just mitsu! and eagle!
bsb18sol 3 years ago
Dimond Star Motors is a compony that doesnt exist anymore the only cars they made was the eclipse talon an lazer they dint make the neon an deff dont make the srt4
2gbc 3 years ago
@bsb18sol If you want to be technical, DSM were not produced anymore after 95.
TheOnefastGSX 1 year ago
still though... 420a is considered a dsm, although frowned upon the dsm community.
franciskith0o 3 years ago 7
@franciskith0o umm why?
MasterAMD09 1 year ago
@franciskith0o no.... way in hell
g4ebguy 11 months ago
@franciskith0o sorry to disagree man but your facts are wrong, DSM and 420a are not the same, a 420a is not a DSM and everyone thats owns a dsm will tell you the same thing! 420a is a strictly chrysler motor, not dsm...!!! the same arguement has been going on forever, and its getting old!
Tucker2682 10 months ago
420A's are Mopar motors. DSM is the 4G63's. 420A Eclipse is basically a Dodge Neon. Except Neons have a wider final gear ratio.
PaulRSTEclipse 3 years ago
i have a 99 gs...just want to know is it worth it to turbo charge it? or should i sell it and go 4g63?
16SHART 3 years ago
Well, I got budget boost... It cost me just over $1,000 to boost. That's doing the installation myself too. I think it's worth it rather than getting a 4G63 and never know when you'll get crank-walk. Just don't boost over 8lbs and get an SAFC controller to tune air/fuel. Goes a long way compared to blowing your motor!
PaulRSTEclipse 3 years ago
wat are u talkin about blowin motors for the 4g63 is twice as strong as that american piece of shit
2gbc 3 years ago
@PaulRSTEclipse Thats why you use a 6 bolt block.
TheOnefastGSX 1 year ago
get the gsx fuck that gs
2gbc 3 years ago
and fuck you another asshole on youtube
mitsudawid 3 years ago
fuck me? no fuck u nigga
2gbc 3 years ago
i am polish you asshole and i see lots of idiots like you on youtube every day you fuckface
mitsudawid 3 years ago
420 are giant slow POS's
i raced 3 of them anfd i kicked there asses, and i have a 2nd gen ALTIMA!
jparis99 3 years ago
how about 420a turbo bro did you race any
becose i have one and its pretty fast chcek mine videos
mitsudawid 3 years ago
k, what power are you making? i seen holes blown in the side of blocks from a turbo 420a.
all you did was just dump money in an economy engine
kudos for doing what you love
jparis99 3 years ago
you are what i call naive. Any motor can make power if it is built and tuned right.
dsmdeegen 3 years ago 2
probs the reasons he seen holes on the bock cuz the motor was not properly tuned or too much boost.
atvman1000 3 years ago
who gives a shit 420a or not 2g eclipses are better than those shitty altimas
kostellic 2 years ago 8
heh k
jparis99 2 years ago
exactly so go look up altimas and talk to the otherfags who cant get nothing better...dont like dsm, then get the fuck out
kostellic 2 years ago
i love DSM, i just dont like the ones with Chrysler motors, id definetly rock a 7bolt GSX and enjoy getting cranwalked. just id never own anything with a 420a regardless if its a neon or a GS/RS eclipse. i like torque wich is why im happy with my KA, add 10 PSI and im walking 20 PSI sr20's
bottom line, if i want a DSM, im getting one with all mitsu, 4G63 or bust (with 7 bolts you get both haha)
jparis99 2 years ago
dude the 420a isnt that bad..sure its slower that the 4g63, and it makes it look even slower cause its turbo charged with a garret t25. but still, its got 140 horse, and if u boost it with a good turbo in stock internals, you lookating at about 175-180 horse, its a good motor, just not the fastest. and regardless, the car looks good
kostellic 2 years ago
thats my issue with the 420,with the money youd put into it you get 180, with the same amount you could have a 200+ HP GST, hell you just need to turn up the boost a lil on a GST/X for t to make 200
jparis99 2 years ago
scratch that, it already has 200, still my point,if i want an eclipse, id get the one with more power, my KA is 155 stock, and you just proved my point why im not a fan of a 420
jparis99 2 years ago
id take a 420a any day..gst gsx are expensive as hell so you have to start somewhere and work your way up..my brother drove a 95 gs with gsx wheels and gsx spoilers for over a year and it ran great and it did the job, but it did get old and the motor blew, but through the time he had the gs, he had saved enough to get a 97gstspyder, and he just bought a bigegr turbo with better parts and now it has 300+ horse
kostellic 2 years ago
siiiiiick
jparis99 2 years ago
I agree with you. These 420a engines aren't that great. My mom's sebring has one and I have never been impressed it has no torque or power. idk how much of a difference a turbo would make. My KA felt a lot faster when it was N/A love the torque
nis915 2 years ago
not a dsm idiot
95s10slammed 3 years ago
cool! :D nice dsm bro :P
rettez 4 years ago