I'm doing that, here, a chapter a day, six days a week. Maybe God's solution isn't ideal in today's situation, but situations back then ... One thing, God is said to have told Man from the beginning "Have Dominion." If that means 'using God's name in whatever jungle-reaction you feel like taking,' that's what it means ... God gave that freedom then. And it got recorded in 'history' (or whatever). But I think by 'in-context,' they usually mean 'regarding the point of the whole story.'PAID-IN-FULL
Read the bible and tally up the number of excuses you have to make on behalf of God.
ex) God can make everything from nothing, but needs a rib to make Eve
So you make an excuse. And another for other oddities. And another. And another. Soon you'll find that the book you think you know is just a collection of excuses to justify a flawed story.
Oddly enough I also recommend to all my fellow Christians to read the entire Bible (cover to cover) and try to learn of God and who He is and what He wants from us. Context does matter, which is why I also try to teach on context. But however the atheists who try to do the gotcha questions also fail to understand the context of the passages they read, how they relate to the entire book, naritive of what God and the authors are trying to say. So, yes, everyone should read the Bible.
@jfrontier1 Could you provide the context of 2nd Kings for me that justifies the mauling of dozens of children by two she bears for mocking a man's baldness?
@GrapplingIgnorance Sure. 1st, I have several videos on my channel called Context Matters, that explain various Bible Passages and gives the context for them. I will suggest you look over these, it may help whre I am coming from in terms of my understanding of the Bible, and it may allow you to ask some questions to me you might find interesting.
OK, 2nd Kings, the one with Elisha sends the she bears to kill 42. The 42 were not "children" per se, but young adults - cont.
@GrapplingIgnorance cont - there are several ways to look at this. Some say that Elisha was the instrument for God's vengence, since the young people were not actually making fun of a person, but God's prophet, and in turn, God Himself. So do not make fun of God.
The Go Up reference was probably to get rid of Elisha. Remember what had just happened. Elijah had been taken up to heaven. Remember that Idolotry was big at this time and God did not like that. So, these yound men did not want cont.
@GrapplingIgnorance cont. any reminders of God's firm hand and His not liking of pagenism, which many practiced at the time. Remember that God is a jealous God (I am assuming you understand the term in context of the OT?). So God "cursed" or pronounced a divine judgement on them.
OK, since I already know several counterarguments, here we go. No, I would not do such a thing, nor do I approve, of course, no one cares if I approve or not.
I will wait for your response, which I think I know.
@jfrontier1 Stating the verse should be translated from children to young adults is irrelevant. People were still killed for mocking a man's baldness. Stating he was God's prophet & your God's apparently sensitive about his prophets being mocked does not justify the slaughtering of people for mocking a man's baldness. An omnicent, omnipotent God should be above petty human emotions like jealousy. I'm glad you don't approve- I don't either, which is why I wouldn't worship him, if he was real.
@GrapplingIgnorance So, your belief that this is something you do not approve of proves God's non-existence? Human Jealousy is not what is the context of the OT. Remember it was not Baldness that got these young men killed, nor exactly God's sensitivity.
Nice you do not approve but that really is not the point. So, is this why you do not believe? And does it really matter if you worship God? That is up to you. Believe or not, I (and God) am OK either way.
@jfrontier1 When did I say that? I specifically stated that because I don't approve of that monstrous, jealous, insecure behavior, even if I DID believe in your God I wouldn't worship him. Your God in that story is acting on emotions that are exactly those of human jealousy. How can you consider your God anything other than overly sensitive for having dozens of people killed because a man that represents him had his baldness mocked. Even if God was directly mocked it's no excuse.
I watched this exact video a few months ago and told my moderate Christian friend what you're saying and now he's seriously struggling with his beliefs. Good job, my friend.
They won't read their Bible cover to cover if you ask them to as an out and proud atheist. They've already deluded themselves to the point that they think that they know all they need to know and that you are somehow unable to understand it.
I prefer faking being a Christian (not that there actually ARE real Christians in the world mind you), then quoting and exposing them to the shit in there.
This is the miracle I want: If there IS a god, he should place an Oracle-type device somewhere in a desolate part of the planet. When you sit in it, a helmet descends and loads your head with the inerrant word of god, straight from the horse's mouth; no translations, no interpretations. If there IS a god, a true wise-beyond-wise, loving, benevolent creator of everything... then we will finally know what it is he wants of us.
And I bet it won't be any of that 'take his name in vain' crap.
I am an atheist, I've read the bible, I am a former christian, I even have an all christian family other than me and my mother whom is agnostic, i decided that when you live every day in poverty crying because you don't know if your drug addict parents are going to survive the day and that no matter how much you beg and grovel for some invisible being to save you nothing happens an that was the point where i renounced my faith, at that point i started actually doing something to help at age 9
@GamingVidsPs3 Well, most of us didn't just decide overnight not to believe anymore. We read, read again, researched, researched again, and decided that the bible and others couldn't be true while being so full of bullshit. If you'll excuse my familiarity. I personally read the bible 3 times, the qu'ran twice and am reading the torah, the jewish equivalent of the old testament. Most believers didn't even read their religion's holybook fully once. I guess that's why they're still believers.
I've thought about this a lot. I think the primary reason is that the bible is nearly incomprehensible. Sitting down to read something that is supposed to be inspired by God, but so obviously isn't, generates profound cognitive dissonance. Reading the Bible is basically too uncomfortable.
It's really only in the last centry or so that people stopped using those "nasty verses" in the past, people said the Bible verses about slavery and genocide to justify slavery and the takeover of Native Americans.
In the Middle Ages something interesting happen spontaneously throughout Europe. Former church clerics began to translate the Bible into the local vernacular on hand written pages. They did this so that every schleps could read what it said. This happened mostly in Germany, Slovakia and other eastern states. The Church came down on them quickly and brutally. The translators were tortured and burned at the stake. So was anyone who read the translations.This is part of the foundation of the Church
Ok time for a joke in bad taste, because sometimes something is funny because of prejudice. Like those really bad racist jokes you hear but can't help chuckling over.
'GI, what your asking is just plain silly. You want Christians to read their entire scripture repeatedly until they understand what every verse means, and what the context is. But then they wouldn't be Christians, they'd convert to Judaism.'
My brain is wired to need to see the whole picture before it can understand any of the details. That is why I would actually go home and read the entire chapter of the verses that were being preached. A serendipity result of a high level mental disorder:)
The whole "context" thing is their escape route when you quote an uncomfortable part of their holy book. I here this all of the time. Yet when they want something to be literal because it supports their take on it, they throw that at you. Why isn't hell symbolic? Why do they take the part where Jesus says "I and the father are one" literally? Simply put...because it supports their narrative. It's one of the many semantic games they play.
I've read the Bible. That's probably why I'm no longer a Christian. I can't tell you how many times I've had to correct someone who thought they were quoting the Bible and say, "No. I think you're mistaken. That's from Paradise Lost by John Milton." Of course, they proceed to tell me that it's just as valid as the Bible, and I hate to admit, they've got me there.
I used to find the entire history of Catholicism quite appalling, the dark ages where the witch burnings in the inquisitions, the crusades, the dark ages. Then I read the whole bible and all the catholic atrocities actually have a biblical basis. LOL!
Love your videos. They always seem so fresh and and well articulated. The SW analogy was funny. Really hope some theists get to watch your videos as you ask some valid questions.
I didn't think I'd like the kind of shading you use now, but I actually do find it quite fun to watch. I'm even enjoying the anonymous individual look, thanks for keeping up the efforts in the face of adversity.
By the way, very fun points you brought up in this vid.
the 'context' cry is the only defense theists have when forced to apologise for the cruelty of the bible, yet their rebuttals generaly are some other random verse, taken out of context. oh, and GI, youre wrong about following the book to get into heaven, all you have to do is psychicly tell the jewish carpenter ghost that he is your master ;)
@sammy3212321 "I hate it when they also say that certain things are METAPHORS.
It's become tyring saying 'well how am i meant to know what's what?'"
Oh come on you know the answer to that already... preacher'll tell ya. ;-) That is exactly the point behind the "metaphor" defense, its intended to empower people with the knowledge that only they could know because you are just reading the WORDS, you're not being guided by the "holy spirit" to see the "TRUTH". IE You'll always be wrong LOL
Great video. The bible takes itself out of context in several places where the new testiment gospels claim that a prophecy from the old testiment was fulfilled.
Thank you G.I. those are good points. Sadly, as W exemplifies, a lot of Xtians are nearly illiterate. And that explains a great deal of how W came to power.
One of my faves is "be fruitful and multiply" - God's instruction to a world where he'd just wiped the slate clean, rather than the current already-overpopulated one. Christians being what they are, who needs atheists to quote mine the Bible?
I read through the entire Bible several times. The entire OT, I read through at least 3 times (3 different versions), the N.T., at least 5 times. And certain sections, many more times. The most interesting thing I learned, was not what it says, but what it DOESN'T say. That is, most things that the churches teach aren't even in the Bible.
@averagebear1 Aside from the flood, Moses, and Sodom and Gomorra, most don't. To be honest, when I was a Christian, I was content with the select "passages" being preached to me. It wasn't until I picked it up and started reading that I realized the raw deal the Egyptians got, what an asshole Joshua was, and how this revered and omnipotent creator shared more characteristics with a petulant child than an "awesome" creator of the Universe.
When reviewing critically, it's like Greek mythology.
ive always found it weird that i read loads from the bible and the quoran. i am athiest, and my parents/grandparents are christian, and NEVER read the bible. oh how they must be confused by me.
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and not of yourselves, for it is the gift of god. Ephesians 2:8
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Titus 3:5
These and other cherry-picked verses they hear in church say they don't actually have to do anything (including read the bible). Belief in God is all it takes for a ticket to the City of Gold (a.k.a. "heaven").
@ShalloeThought Solution: Step 1: Minimize me video. as it plays. Step 2: Open a new window with your favorite porn content. Step 3: Mute the new window, and watch that while listening to my video. You should find visual appetite quite well satisfied.
My parents are one of the few christians who have actually read their bibles from cover to cover MULTIPLE times, yet have managed to convince themselves that god is still awesome. Anytime my siblings and I would bring up any of the atrocities in the bible, they always had some kind of excuse or justification. If we managed to break down their argument they'd say "You DARE think god is unjust?" To which I wouldn't dare say "yes" - at least not till I left the house for good recently
Context is a life buoy in debates. It doesn't matter if you bring up the disasters of humanity in Hosea, they don't care. It's pretty damn sad really. They will simply close their ears and shout their opinions with all the ignorance of a slug.
It almost seems like its just this grand conspiracy to get people to give tithes. Ussually people are shocked that I'm an atheist and then I ask them what's the name of God in the old testemant. No one has given me Yahweh.
Bart Erhman points this out when he lectures a room full of students, .. he asks them "How many of you have read Dan Browns Davinci Code"?.. the whole class raise thier hands. Then he asks, "How many of you have read the bible cover to cover" .. barely a hand goes up.
When people ask about my religious affiliation i respond "Catholic". I read the whole bible every word from every book. I read the apocryphal books too. By the time I finish I was an atheist.
Ok, here's the interesting thing about the roommate (the self-proclaimed Catholic who is technically a deist as far as I'm concerned). She admits to never having read the Bible, doesn't care, and agrees with me about preachers in general. She actually admits to having invented her own version of Catholicism but contradicts herself by believing in her own invention of a religion/ denying that what she has faith in is not actual Catholicism.
@Anghellik9 I like this too. I have the bible on my phone for when people quote me bible verses for a particular situation... I usually also ask what is the next verse that follows the one they are quoting, and 100% of the time they don't know it.
@Catch22here Not praising or damning anything. Your original comment was outside the norm and sometimes those are from people who want drama and not discussion. No insult was intended. You said you have doubts and all I was doing was encouraging you to explore them without the bias of your original beliefs. Yes, Dawkins makes a similar argument. I have traveled around the world and yes, religion is largely geographical. Had you been born in India you'd likely be a hindu, jain or sihk...
@Catch22here I'm going to assume that this is a honest post and not attention-whoring.
God is a difficult concept for people to get rid of and in the western world it is usually backed by hadephobia. I am not trying to dissuade you from believing in a god but might I suggest that you look into all the gods ever conceived of? You were likely born in the west and the default is xianity, maybe weigh all gods against each other as equal until they can show that they are not (without your help)?
@Meatbag211 I've been there, its a tough call, i think it depends on if you know that person well enough, or if you don't but you see that person every day. The first response I could think of would be along the lines of-'so you think an omnipotent God couldn't write a perfect book?'- or 'so you're just making up your own religion, eh?', but both of those responses could lead to a perceived persecution of religious beliefs, in which case you might as well have said, 'I rape children'.
It's ironic. Bible thumpers always have a bible in one hand while they yell and harass innocent bystanders or passersby. And while telling everyone how righteous and holy they are, they condescend towards others and tell them they need to read and follow the bible.
Great points. I always found it ironic how everything a non-believer quotes is out of context, while everything quoted by a believer is just 'a-ok' on a sentence by sentence basis.
nono, priests dont expect you to go home and read the bible. Atheists so often completely miss the point of religions. Its not to explain the world, its not to give people values, it is exclusively subjugation, and nothing else. That is the one and only point of religions. Sure, some have side effects like xenophobia, ignorant bliss, etc. But thats just an accident. Religions exist to give power to the clergy.
@managarm1349 I fail to see the logic. I've read the entire Bible and the Quran - a few times each. I'm still on the fence about this whole religion bullshit. I don't completely agree with atheists either. I see them as extremists much like some baptist sects in the US. Religious types are blind and ignorant overall but for them everything centers on faith. You can't argue against faith with logic and quotes. None of these schools of thought make any sense to me so.I guess that makes me an idiot
@managarm1349 I frankly think becoming an atheist just because of what an old, poorly written book has to say to account for the creation of the world is also quite silly. I consider myself an atheist in relation to all theistic Gods and an agnostic in relation to deism.
Mental gymnastics suck. I never passed ME. (mental education. For non-English, a pun on excersize 'class' in school) It's so hardto flex those swirly bits!
I think this has thebest line: Those that take it out of context most are the ones that 'believe' it. XD
funny, but I never thought about the time frame of church in this context before but.....credit hours.
if you are in/ were in/ or will be going to college...a credit hour (credit) is how many hours of lecture you receive per week, per course for a particular class.
So far, I have only taken either 3 or 4 CrHr courses..so i studied a particular subject for either 3 or 4 hours per week.
church......is a 1 CrHr course? ...and there arent even any progress/understanding checks
@destin325 That is because religion had to change with the world. It is now on an a la carte basis. You take the passages you want and deny the rest even exist. That is where the out of context comes from, it is someone who wants to believe in the good parts and is certain that if there are bad parts then they must be explainable in some way though they never really bother to check that explination...
I don't think that preachers actually want their "flock" to read a bible, after all that is the best way to become an Atheist. Oh and on the Starwars reference we have a church here in Australia doing a service that will explore parallels between fantasy and Christianity, taking inspiration from Dr Who, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Star Wars. Google Romsey Uniting Church
@GrapplingIgnorance Actually in the original version of "A New Hope" Han shot first, its only in the PC version that Lucus fucks it up and has Greedo shooting first and giving Han the justification. Total bullshit IMO Han's a scoundrel, he knew what Greedo planned and would not be likely to give him the chance to shoot at all. But it didn't play as well in the 00's as it did in the 70's so to oblivion the truth goes.
The bible is the INERRANT WORD OF THE CREATOR OF THE CUCKLEFUCKING UNIVERSE. But over 90% of Christians haven't gotten around to reading it. Even they don't believe their own bullshit.
There's an idea - the next time a Christian tells you that the biblical passage you've quoted has been cherry-picked, stop and tell them - "I'm all ears. Give me the exact context".
Has anyone thought about doing a wiki with all the grotesque verses in the bible? That way it would be easy to annoy and deter religious nut-jobs, just select a random bible verse from the wiki.
I having went to a religious school actually got a good deal of "Fire and Brimstone" and other unpleasant bits while I was there in my religious education.
I like the Star Wars analogy; but I think Star Trek would have been better. Since it went on for much longer..... And it's cooler.... TREKKIES FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!
@ImACuteGeek Look up The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5. But beware of spoilers. Also, look up "best sci fi tv shows" and you'll find many with B5 getting high up there. 5 seasons, each 22 episodes long. Also, something like 6 or 7 movies. 1 that takes place before the show starts.
It's about a space station in the 23rd century. I don't really want to go into spoilers, and even if I did, a 500 comment thing wouldn't be near enough. I found the box set for a good price, and got it. Torrent is 46GB.
@GodofCider I can't actually comment on that one. I've seen a load of sci fi shows, but have only seen Stargate sporadically. The timing on all this has its own charm in a way. Just gave a lend of the B5 box set to my brother today, and recently started a marathon of Stargate SG1.
I'm going to go through the lot, but I find myself being slowed down by taking time to watch youtube videos, et cetera. So far, I've only seen the Stargate movie and the first episode which is a double episode.
@Pushtrak Honestly, I thought SG1 was good, but shallow by contrast of Atlantis. Unfortunately Atlantis was discontinued...presumably due to a less than satisfactory production of funds.
@Pushtrak Surprisingly no. Unlike most discontinued series, they actually 'ended' season five fairly well. When it's all said and done, I think they did a fine job.
@Mythification I heartedly disagree; at the very least SGA is better. ^_^
Hmm...I haven't had crumpets for a long time actually. It's a specialty food here, as that food simply isn't part of my local cuisine. Perhaps I'll make some.
@GodofCider Babylon 5 has more complex characters and scope than Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis (oh, and SGU is a joke). Did you know that the writers of Babylon 5 were atheists?
@Violent2aShadow I haven't had a chance to watch any of SGU, unfortunately. I will not dispute your point of more complex characters, however the story is simply better in my eyes, which far outweighs any amount of character complexity.
No I didn't know that. I don't see how it's relevant, but it's not like that matters either way. Thanks for the information. ^_^
@ImACuteGeek Watch it, we don't want a nerd sectarian jihad. Next the Tolkien and Harry Potter fans will start going at it, and Batman and Wolverine fans will be attacking the Superman and Hulk fans, and the Nerdpocalypse will begin.
@ImACuteGeek - There's plenty of life lessons and morals to learn from Star Trek. TNG and Voyager are littered with them! I'm sure the original and Enterprise are fit for those titles too, though I never really caught much interest in those series.
@ImACuteGeek As cool as Star Wars is. Star Trek had much greater predictive capacity...Hand held long distance communicator (flip in the original and touch in TNG), the pad-like computer, medicinal scanners, etc.
@ImACuteGeek I'd say Doctor Who because it's got more episodes has an old and new version and the doctor preforms a miraculous resurrection every time they change the actor. The personality of the doctor keeps changing but we keep it on faith we are dealing with the same guy and the show maintains no continuity. Sounds like the bible to me. Yeah I'm a Dr Who fan my mom is the trekkie
@ImACuteGeek I think Star Wars would be like Wicca. Lots of mystical stuff. Wicca got it's start in the 1940's but many books on wicca talk of practices dating back before Christianity existed as if Wicca was actually around back then. In this way the modern material is like the original trilogy and the "old ways" the prequel. Perhaps Star Trek could be Buddhism various versions all equally valid and not needing faith or a god.
i'm currently in High school, and occasionally I get pestered about my Atheism by students. I explain thoroughly why I believe the way I do, and give certain quotes from the Bible that they're clearly unaware of. After they deny that the quote I distributed is actually from the Bible, a week later they brag to me about how they don't actually read the Bible
At one point, I just came to school with a sheet of paper filled with Bible verses, so I could tell people where whatever I talked about was
LOL LOL LOL Athiest attack Christians because Christians don't know what is really in the Bible. God have mercy to the illiterate LOL LOL LOL
AstroMen2911 1 week ago
This guy is Jesus.
Makkid3 4 months ago in playlist Atheism n' stuff
@Makkid3 that would be too hilarious XD
ninetailsfox99 2 weeks ago
This reminds me... Star Wars the Old Republic is comming out soon!!!
SturFriedBrains 5 months ago
I wonder what brand sweatshirt that is?
zellfalcon31 5 months ago
I'm doing that, here, a chapter a day, six days a week. Maybe God's solution isn't ideal in today's situation, but situations back then ... One thing, God is said to have told Man from the beginning "Have Dominion." If that means 'using God's name in whatever jungle-reaction you feel like taking,' that's what it means ... God gave that freedom then. And it got recorded in 'history' (or whatever). But I think by 'in-context,' they usually mean 'regarding the point of the whole story.'PAID-IN-FULL
mythmanjay 6 months ago
Read the bible and tally up the number of excuses you have to make on behalf of God.
ex) God can make everything from nothing, but needs a rib to make Eve
So you make an excuse. And another for other oddities. And another. And another. Soon you'll find that the book you think you know is just a collection of excuses to justify a flawed story.
BlissByIgnorance 6 months ago 3
Oddly enough I also recommend to all my fellow Christians to read the entire Bible (cover to cover) and try to learn of God and who He is and what He wants from us. Context does matter, which is why I also try to teach on context. But however the atheists who try to do the gotcha questions also fail to understand the context of the passages they read, how they relate to the entire book, naritive of what God and the authors are trying to say. So, yes, everyone should read the Bible.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
@jfrontier1 Could you provide the context of 2nd Kings for me that justifies the mauling of dozens of children by two she bears for mocking a man's baldness?
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Sure. 1st, I have several videos on my channel called Context Matters, that explain various Bible Passages and gives the context for them. I will suggest you look over these, it may help whre I am coming from in terms of my understanding of the Bible, and it may allow you to ask some questions to me you might find interesting.
OK, 2nd Kings, the one with Elisha sends the she bears to kill 42. The 42 were not "children" per se, but young adults - cont.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance cont - there are several ways to look at this. Some say that Elisha was the instrument for God's vengence, since the young people were not actually making fun of a person, but God's prophet, and in turn, God Himself. So do not make fun of God.
The Go Up reference was probably to get rid of Elisha. Remember what had just happened. Elijah had been taken up to heaven. Remember that Idolotry was big at this time and God did not like that. So, these yound men did not want cont.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance cont. any reminders of God's firm hand and His not liking of pagenism, which many practiced at the time. Remember that God is a jealous God (I am assuming you understand the term in context of the OT?). So God "cursed" or pronounced a divine judgement on them.
OK, since I already know several counterarguments, here we go. No, I would not do such a thing, nor do I approve, of course, no one cares if I approve or not.
I will wait for your response, which I think I know.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
@jfrontier1 Stating the verse should be translated from children to young adults is irrelevant. People were still killed for mocking a man's baldness. Stating he was God's prophet & your God's apparently sensitive about his prophets being mocked does not justify the slaughtering of people for mocking a man's baldness. An omnicent, omnipotent God should be above petty human emotions like jealousy. I'm glad you don't approve- I don't either, which is why I wouldn't worship him, if he was real.
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance So, your belief that this is something you do not approve of proves God's non-existence? Human Jealousy is not what is the context of the OT. Remember it was not Baldness that got these young men killed, nor exactly God's sensitivity.
Nice you do not approve but that really is not the point. So, is this why you do not believe? And does it really matter if you worship God? That is up to you. Believe or not, I (and God) am OK either way.
Have a nice day.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
@jfrontier1 When did I say that? I specifically stated that because I don't approve of that monstrous, jealous, insecure behavior, even if I DID believe in your God I wouldn't worship him. Your God in that story is acting on emotions that are exactly those of human jealousy. How can you consider your God anything other than overly sensitive for having dozens of people killed because a man that represents him had his baldness mocked. Even if God was directly mocked it's no excuse.
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I would love to see you on TheThinkingAtheist podcast.
3377saintsfan 6 months ago
@3377saintsfan I like Seth a lot and would gladly go on his pod cast. I don't know if he knows who I am though.
GrapplingIgnorance 6 months ago 4
I watched this exact video a few months ago and told my moderate Christian friend what you're saying and now he's seriously struggling with his beliefs. Good job, my friend.
ConnorDaStoner 7 months ago
@ConnorDaStoner Thank you, I'm glad it was effective.
GrapplingIgnorance 7 months ago
They won't read their Bible cover to cover if you ask them to as an out and proud atheist. They've already deluded themselves to the point that they think that they know all they need to know and that you are somehow unable to understand it.
I prefer faking being a Christian (not that there actually ARE real Christians in the world mind you), then quoting and exposing them to the shit in there.
choongd 7 months ago
This is the miracle I want: If there IS a god, he should place an Oracle-type device somewhere in a desolate part of the planet. When you sit in it, a helmet descends and loads your head with the inerrant word of god, straight from the horse's mouth; no translations, no interpretations. If there IS a god, a true wise-beyond-wise, loving, benevolent creator of everything... then we will finally know what it is he wants of us.
And I bet it won't be any of that 'take his name in vain' crap.
Out.
conundrum111 7 months ago
Amen
akylae101 7 months ago
LOVE the Star Wars reference!
xjedixwarriorx 8 months ago
I am an atheist, I've read the bible, I am a former christian, I even have an all christian family other than me and my mother whom is agnostic, i decided that when you live every day in poverty crying because you don't know if your drug addict parents are going to survive the day and that no matter how much you beg and grovel for some invisible being to save you nothing happens an that was the point where i renounced my faith, at that point i started actually doing something to help at age 9
KrazyEngima 8 months ago
Fantastic vid GI.
GermanChocolateCake 8 months ago
Bro that Star Wars analogy was Epic. Praise George Lucas!
barnzee1 8 months ago
Fantastic!
jonwillis 10 months ago
It seems athiests know more of the bible than Christians do. Ironic, no?
GamingVidsPs3 10 months ago 3
@GamingVidsPs3 Well, most of us didn't just decide overnight not to believe anymore. We read, read again, researched, researched again, and decided that the bible and others couldn't be true while being so full of bullshit. If you'll excuse my familiarity. I personally read the bible 3 times, the qu'ran twice and am reading the torah, the jewish equivalent of the old testament. Most believers didn't even read their religion's holybook fully once. I guess that's why they're still believers.
gilless429 10 months ago
@GamingVidsPs3 There was a study done recently that actually proved exactly that
2048scotty 10 months ago
I've thought about this a lot. I think the primary reason is that the bible is nearly incomprehensible. Sitting down to read something that is supposed to be inspired by God, but so obviously isn't, generates profound cognitive dissonance. Reading the Bible is basically too uncomfortable.
cyxgun 10 months ago
It's really only in the last centry or so that people stopped using those "nasty verses" in the past, people said the Bible verses about slavery and genocide to justify slavery and the takeover of Native Americans.
Heck, I still see some people today do it.
Mectrixctic 10 months ago
Great argument!
MtlRedAtheist 10 months ago
Awesome
86adamleon 10 months ago
In the Middle Ages something interesting happen spontaneously throughout Europe. Former church clerics began to translate the Bible into the local vernacular on hand written pages. They did this so that every schleps could read what it said. This happened mostly in Germany, Slovakia and other eastern states. The Church came down on them quickly and brutally. The translators were tortured and burned at the stake. So was anyone who read the translations.This is part of the foundation of the Church
spacecowboy5000 10 months ago
I want to read the bible but it literally hurts, Star wars novels on the other hand is one exciting read.
argo984 10 months ago
I love bacon. Any god who condemns it, no matter what the context, is not going to get my praise, ever.
nemo3590 10 months ago 3
Ok time for a joke in bad taste, because sometimes something is funny because of prejudice. Like those really bad racist jokes you hear but can't help chuckling over.
'GI, what your asking is just plain silly. You want Christians to read their entire scripture repeatedly until they understand what every verse means, and what the context is. But then they wouldn't be Christians, they'd convert to Judaism.'
dookiecheez 10 months ago
My brain is wired to need to see the whole picture before it can understand any of the details. That is why I would actually go home and read the entire chapter of the verses that were being preached. A serendipity result of a high level mental disorder:)
OldeVampyr 10 months ago
Great Video man, really good message
shandcunt 10 months ago
Excellent!
dwwolf2006 10 months ago
You just want them to read the bible because you know that's the surest way of turning them into atheists. >.<
Arikiel 10 months ago 2
That's a very nice ceiling fan you have there.
pokekid716 10 months ago
The whole "context" thing is their escape route when you quote an uncomfortable part of their holy book. I here this all of the time. Yet when they want something to be literal because it supports their take on it, they throw that at you. Why isn't hell symbolic? Why do they take the part where Jesus says "I and the father are one" literally? Simply put...because it supports their narrative. It's one of the many semantic games they play.
rationalwarrior 10 months ago
I've read the Bible. That's probably why I'm no longer a Christian. I can't tell you how many times I've had to correct someone who thought they were quoting the Bible and say, "No. I think you're mistaken. That's from Paradise Lost by John Milton." Of course, they proceed to tell me that it's just as valid as the Bible, and I hate to admit, they've got me there.
TheCeejReturns 10 months ago 2
I used to find the entire history of Catholicism quite appalling, the dark ages where the witch burnings in the inquisitions, the crusades, the dark ages. Then I read the whole bible and all the catholic atrocities actually have a biblical basis. LOL!
emancoy 10 months ago
Love your videos. They always seem so fresh and and well articulated. The SW analogy was funny. Really hope some theists get to watch your videos as you ask some valid questions.
LAnonHubbard 10 months ago 16
@LAnonHubbard Thank you- I hope so too.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago 2
When someone uses the "out of context" argument and doesn't explain what the context is, you know they're lying.
byteresistor 10 months ago
u don't use the video. you should talk on radio...
dumbnetworks 10 months ago
I didn't think I'd like the kind of shading you use now, but I actually do find it quite fun to watch. I'm even enjoying the anonymous individual look, thanks for keeping up the efforts in the face of adversity.
By the way, very fun points you brought up in this vid.
sarcleaeolist 10 months ago
the 'context' cry is the only defense theists have when forced to apologise for the cruelty of the bible, yet their rebuttals generaly are some other random verse, taken out of context. oh, and GI, youre wrong about following the book to get into heaven, all you have to do is psychicly tell the jewish carpenter ghost that he is your master ;)
antiyahweh 10 months ago
I hate it when they also say that certain things are METAPHORS.
It's become tyring saying 'well how am i meant to know what's what?'
sammy3212321 10 months ago
@sammy3212321 "I hate it when they also say that certain things are METAPHORS.
It's become tyring saying 'well how am i meant to know what's what?'"
Oh come on you know the answer to that already... preacher'll tell ya. ;-) That is exactly the point behind the "metaphor" defense, its intended to empower people with the knowledge that only they could know because you are just reading the WORDS, you're not being guided by the "holy spirit" to see the "TRUTH". IE You'll always be wrong LOL
Ammdar 10 months ago 2
@Ammdar Exactly. that's what makes it so fricken annoying!
sammy3212321 10 months ago
Thw fight that never will end!
thinker900 10 months ago
I am sure that Westboro Church does go cover to cover
cyncate1982 10 months ago
Great video. The bible takes itself out of context in several places where the new testiment gospels claim that a prophecy from the old testiment was fulfilled.
lagavulan16 10 months ago
Thank you G.I. those are good points. Sadly, as W exemplifies, a lot of Xtians are nearly illiterate. And that explains a great deal of how W came to power.
PlatypuSPawn 10 months ago
One of my faves is "be fruitful and multiply" - God's instruction to a world where he'd just wiped the slate clean, rather than the current already-overpopulated one. Christians being what they are, who needs atheists to quote mine the Bible?
theystoleitfromus 10 months ago
It seems that it would be more accurate to say they were watching their favourite scenes rather than randomly selected ones.
daemonowner 10 months ago
I read through the entire Bible several times. The entire OT, I read through at least 3 times (3 different versions), the N.T., at least 5 times. And certain sections, many more times. The most interesting thing I learned, was not what it says, but what it DOESN'T say. That is, most things that the churches teach aren't even in the Bible.
averagebear1 10 months ago 42
@averagebear1 That's a very lucid point.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago 12
@averagebear1 Aside from the flood, Moses, and Sodom and Gomorra, most don't. To be honest, when I was a Christian, I was content with the select "passages" being preached to me. It wasn't until I picked it up and started reading that I realized the raw deal the Egyptians got, what an asshole Joshua was, and how this revered and omnipotent creator shared more characteristics with a petulant child than an "awesome" creator of the Universe.
When reviewing critically, it's like Greek mythology.
Kokopilau77 10 months ago 2
@averagebear1 You sir are full of win
OppositionDept 7 months ago in playlist Grappling ignorance
ive always found it weird that i read loads from the bible and the quoran. i am athiest, and my parents/grandparents are christian, and NEVER read the bible. oh how they must be confused by me.
fairtony 10 months ago
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and not of yourselves, for it is the gift of god. Ephesians 2:8
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Titus 3:5
These and other cherry-picked verses they hear in church say they don't actually have to do anything (including read the bible). Belief in God is all it takes for a ticket to the City of Gold (a.k.a. "heaven").
BibleThumpingAtheist 10 months ago
yeah the bibles great when you sprinkle yourself with pigeon blood
childofreletivity 10 months ago
Dude .... youve got to spice up youre visuals !!!!
ShalloeThought 10 months ago
@ShalloeThought Solution: Step 1: Minimize me video. as it plays. Step 2: Open a new window with your favorite porn content. Step 3: Mute the new window, and watch that while listening to my video. You should find visual appetite quite well satisfied.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
My parents are one of the few christians who have actually read their bibles from cover to cover MULTIPLE times, yet have managed to convince themselves that god is still awesome. Anytime my siblings and I would bring up any of the atrocities in the bible, they always had some kind of excuse or justification. If we managed to break down their argument they'd say "You DARE think god is unjust?" To which I wouldn't dare say "yes" - at least not till I left the house for good recently
blue4arekkusu 10 months ago
Jesus would need a whip to get all those people to read the crazy parts of their bible.
dtm52 10 months ago
Context is a life buoy in debates. It doesn't matter if you bring up the disasters of humanity in Hosea, they don't care. It's pretty damn sad really. They will simply close their ears and shout their opinions with all the ignorance of a slug.
Darthmas2242 10 months ago
It almost seems like its just this grand conspiracy to get people to give tithes. Ussually people are shocked that I'm an atheist and then I ask them what's the name of God in the old testemant. No one has given me Yahweh.
NoPinocchio 10 months ago
I wouldn't say Job was tormented for no reason. It was all over a bet.
That, if anything, is rather worse than it happening for no reason.
evensgrey 10 months ago
@evensgrey I was implying that it was done for no good reason.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
Bart Erhman points this out when he lectures a room full of students, .. he asks them "How many of you have read Dan Browns Davinci Code"?.. the whole class raise thier hands. Then he asks, "How many of you have read the bible cover to cover" .. barely a hand goes up.
Go figure!!
bonnie43uk 10 months ago
The same argument can be made for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
deepashtray 10 months ago
Great video.
SuperDESTROYER71 10 months ago
When people ask about my religious affiliation i respond "Catholic". I read the whole bible every word from every book. I read the apocryphal books too. By the time I finish I was an atheist.
Thank God to that.
hanyuo 10 months ago
@hanyuo
"By the time I finish I was an atheist."
Then why say you're Catholic? Come out of the closet, we need you out here!
bowlsallbroken 10 months ago
Ok, here's the interesting thing about the roommate (the self-proclaimed Catholic who is technically a deist as far as I'm concerned). She admits to never having read the Bible, doesn't care, and agrees with me about preachers in general. She actually admits to having invented her own version of Catholicism but contradicts herself by believing in her own invention of a religion/ denying that what she has faith in is not actual Catholicism.
ghostofdayinperson 10 months ago
My response to the "Out of context" claim is: Please provide the context.
Anghellik9 10 months ago 45
@Anghellik9 I like this too. I have the bible on my phone for when people quote me bible verses for a particular situation... I usually also ask what is the next verse that follows the one they are quoting, and 100% of the time they don't know it.
squirreljester2 10 months ago
@Anghellik9 Exactly.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
@Anghellik9 And then brace for nuclear grade facepalm when they answer.
TheBigMclargehuge 10 months ago
@Anghellik9 When you do that, you're just giving them the opportunity to make things up...
extrovertedthinker 10 months ago
@extrovertedthinker Not when they can't actually provide the context, and you have a bible on hand to prove your point.
Anghellik9 10 months ago
@Catch22here Not praising or damning anything. Your original comment was outside the norm and sometimes those are from people who want drama and not discussion. No insult was intended. You said you have doubts and all I was doing was encouraging you to explore them without the bias of your original beliefs. Yes, Dawkins makes a similar argument. I have traveled around the world and yes, religion is largely geographical. Had you been born in India you'd likely be a hindu, jain or sihk...
savageecho 10 months ago
@Catch22here I'm going to assume that this is a honest post and not attention-whoring.
God is a difficult concept for people to get rid of and in the western world it is usually backed by hadephobia. I am not trying to dissuade you from believing in a god but might I suggest that you look into all the gods ever conceived of? You were likely born in the west and the default is xianity, maybe weigh all gods against each other as equal until they can show that they are not (without your help)?
savageecho 10 months ago
I asked someone why they hadn't read the Bible cover to cover. She said that the Bible wasn't meant to be read that way.
Didn't really know what to say back to her.
Meatbag211 10 months ago
@Meatbag211 I've been there, its a tough call, i think it depends on if you know that person well enough, or if you don't but you see that person every day. The first response I could think of would be along the lines of-'so you think an omnipotent God couldn't write a perfect book?'- or 'so you're just making up your own religion, eh?', but both of those responses could lead to a perceived persecution of religious beliefs, in which case you might as well have said, 'I rape children'.
rounder421 10 months ago
bloody excellent !
wildwhippet 10 months ago
... i've started leaving the faith after reading the whole damn thing to ...
NapoMMC 10 months ago
It's ironic. Bible thumpers always have a bible in one hand while they yell and harass innocent bystanders or passersby. And while telling everyone how righteous and holy they are, they condescend towards others and tell them they need to read and follow the bible.
charlesfloyb 10 months ago
Great points. I always found it ironic how everything a non-believer quotes is out of context, while everything quoted by a believer is just 'a-ok' on a sentence by sentence basis.
TheHigherVoltage 10 months ago
I did that and that's why I'm an atheist now
SuperMrgabriel 10 months ago
fuck my life. i was in the process of making my first vid on theism and this one is identical to the one i am working on. Nice vid.
drinkycrow67 10 months ago
@drinkycrow67 Hah, well feel free to post your own as a reply to this one.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
I am totally ready for my end of life star wars test!!! at least the plot is better...
SirGibbels 10 months ago
nono, priests dont expect you to go home and read the bible. Atheists so often completely miss the point of religions. Its not to explain the world, its not to give people values, it is exclusively subjugation, and nothing else. That is the one and only point of religions. Sure, some have side effects like xenophobia, ignorant bliss, etc. But thats just an accident. Religions exist to give power to the clergy.
doutonight 10 months ago
@doutonight I said I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
if you read the whole bible and dont become an atheist, you´re an idiot and probably deserve religion
managarm1349 10 months ago 45
@managarm1349 LMAO
tjxkid 10 months ago
@managarm1349
Nobody deserves religion.
Morkindie 10 months ago
@managarm1349 I fail to see the logic. I've read the entire Bible and the Quran - a few times each. I'm still on the fence about this whole religion bullshit. I don't completely agree with atheists either. I see them as extremists much like some baptist sects in the US. Religious types are blind and ignorant overall but for them everything centers on faith. You can't argue against faith with logic and quotes. None of these schools of thought make any sense to me so.I guess that makes me an idiot
spacecowboy5000 10 months ago
@managarm1349 I frankly think becoming an atheist just because of what an old, poorly written book has to say to account for the creation of the world is also quite silly. I consider myself an atheist in relation to all theistic Gods and an agnostic in relation to deism.
CoonAndFriends2 10 months ago
If people actually read it, they will deconvert.
MsMommaRose 10 months ago
Mental gymnastics suck. I never passed ME. (mental education. For non-English, a pun on excersize 'class' in school) It's so hardto flex those swirly bits!
I think this has thebest line: Those that take it out of context most are the ones that 'believe' it. XD
AchmeZe 10 months ago
funny, but I never thought about the time frame of church in this context before but.....credit hours.
if you are in/ were in/ or will be going to college...a credit hour (credit) is how many hours of lecture you receive per week, per course for a particular class.
So far, I have only taken either 3 or 4 CrHr courses..so i studied a particular subject for either 3 or 4 hours per week.
church......is a 1 CrHr course? ...and there arent even any progress/understanding checks
destin325 10 months ago
@destin325 That is because religion had to change with the world. It is now on an a la carte basis. You take the passages you want and deny the rest even exist. That is where the out of context comes from, it is someone who wants to believe in the good parts and is certain that if there are bad parts then they must be explainable in some way though they never really bother to check that explination...
savageecho 10 months ago
I don't think that preachers actually want their "flock" to read a bible, after all that is the best way to become an Atheist. Oh and on the Starwars reference we have a church here in Australia doing a service that will explore parallels between fantasy and Christianity, taking inspiration from Dr Who, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Star Wars. Google Romsey Uniting Church
0riole11 10 months ago
1:49 i don't know if any church does it, though i believe that there isn't one
there are the synagogues (Jewish churches)
where they read the whole bible one "Parasha" (sub chapter, google it) per weak
with out skipping any word
doesn't make their imaginary friend any more real but at least they are not hypocrites
adirm18 10 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance have you formed any opinions on what part of your students have actually read the thing for themselves
sapunec7854 10 months ago
@sapunec7854 Absolutely 0%. They struggle to read a short story that's over 2 pages long.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
I'd love to have a conversation with someone like you.
neverspitatthewind 10 months ago
this is a great arguement... I have read it....working on the book of Mormon right now. :)
rednecktrucker1969 10 months ago
ok gi for eternal bliss answer this queston in the 1st movie who shot 1st han or greedo.lol
garganrose 10 months ago
@garganrose Greedo.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance funny from how i remember it not only does han shoot 1st but he shoots only. i guess the force isn't to strong with you.
garganrose 10 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance good thing that there's no hell in the jedi faith you'll just become one with the force like all living things.
garganrose 10 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Actually in the original version of "A New Hope" Han shot first, its only in the PC version that Lucus fucks it up and has Greedo shooting first and giving Han the justification. Total bullshit IMO Han's a scoundrel, he knew what Greedo planned and would not be likely to give him the chance to shoot at all. But it didn't play as well in the 00's as it did in the 70's so to oblivion the truth goes.
Ammdar 10 months ago
Best video yet.
DarkSanctuaryBBS 10 months ago
Atheist Gensis Chapter 1.......
GOD BB was there he was there for Eternity...in? a single point.......thou was created from nothing...
Thou was concntrated on small pont........Thou shall not question how it was possible........
Then LORD BB due to his mighty Power..Expaneded it..Thou shall not seek for its reason...
thy univesrse was made..
then BB said..thou shall mock others...thou shall not accept god..other then
BB
hi5blast 10 months ago
@hi5blast
Congrats on being retarded.
Vire70 10 months ago
@hi5blast XD ROFLMAO FTW.
Parodying of christian stuff always seems real, no matter how stupid it is. Like Edward Current. Nice one!
This was parody, right?
ChiefMaverick515 10 months ago
Hey do you have a facebook page?
jaca1 10 months ago
The bible is the INERRANT WORD OF THE CREATOR OF THE CUCKLEFUCKING UNIVERSE. But over 90% of Christians haven't gotten around to reading it. Even they don't believe their own bullshit.
PaleBlueVoice 10 months ago
There's an idea - the next time a Christian tells you that the biblical passage you've quoted has been cherry-picked, stop and tell them - "I'm all ears. Give me the exact context".
AncientAtheist 10 months ago
YAY VIDEO =D
danihc 10 months ago 3
@danihc Juuuust for you... well, and for a few others.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago 3
I too wonder how a person can claim to live their life by the writings in a book they have never read.
macnutz 10 months ago
Keep it up Grapp!! Great stuff your getting out there. Cheers
Livelife8072 10 months ago
Has anyone thought about doing a wiki with all the grotesque verses in the bible? That way it would be easy to annoy and deter religious nut-jobs, just select a random bible verse from the wiki.
tyomero 10 months ago
@tyomero There is the skeptics annotated bible(free, online)
PaleBlueVoice 10 months ago
@perspectivedetective & @PaleBlueVoice Awesome!!!, thanks for the reference, I'll definitely check it out.
tyomero 10 months ago
@tyomero Check out the Skeptics Annotated Bible.
Half the work for the wiki's been done already!
perspectivedetective 10 months ago
I having went to a religious school actually got a good deal of "Fire and Brimstone" and other unpleasant bits while I was there in my religious education.
Jaybird196 10 months ago
Thank you GrapplingIgnorance, I never thought of that.
Your thoughts are always worth the time it takes to hear them.
MrImmoli 10 months ago 4
@MrImmoli That's good to know- my pleasure.
GrapplingIgnorance 10 months ago
"If we're all God's children then what's the word of the reverend worth?"-Talib Kweli.
Simple, it's worth a lot more when it's "God's word" taken out of context of "God's word" (the Bible).
AholeAtheist 10 months ago
This is bloody good stuff! Hammer time!
TimothyStuartRiches 10 months ago
I like the Star Wars analogy; but I think Star Trek would have been better. Since it went on for much longer..... And it's cooler.... TREKKIES FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!
ImACuteGeek 10 months ago 20
@ImACuteGeek To you, I say, nay good sir. While both are good, neither live up to Babylon 5.
Pushtrak 10 months ago
@Pushtrak I have yet to see that series but you have made me curious. You mind sending me some stuff about it?
ImACuteGeek 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek Look up The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5. But beware of spoilers. Also, look up "best sci fi tv shows" and you'll find many with B5 getting high up there. 5 seasons, each 22 episodes long. Also, something like 6 or 7 movies. 1 that takes place before the show starts.
It's about a space station in the 23rd century. I don't really want to go into spoilers, and even if I did, a 500 comment thing wouldn't be near enough. I found the box set for a good price, and got it. Torrent is 46GB.
Pushtrak 10 months ago
@Pushtrak Thanks! I'll check that out.
ImACuteGeek 10 months ago
@Pushtrak And to you I say, Babylon 5 does not hold a candle to Stargate.
...Crumpets?
GodofCider 10 months ago
@GodofCider I can't actually comment on that one. I've seen a load of sci fi shows, but have only seen Stargate sporadically. The timing on all this has its own charm in a way. Just gave a lend of the B5 box set to my brother today, and recently started a marathon of Stargate SG1.
I'm going to go through the lot, but I find myself being slowed down by taking time to watch youtube videos, et cetera. So far, I've only seen the Stargate movie and the first episode which is a double episode.
Pushtrak 10 months ago
@Pushtrak Honestly, I thought SG1 was good, but shallow by contrast of Atlantis. Unfortunately Atlantis was discontinued...presumably due to a less than satisfactory production of funds.
GodofCider 10 months ago
@GodofCider Does it end abruptly? I'll have to give that a watch post-SG1.
Pushtrak 10 months ago
@Pushtrak Surprisingly no. Unlike most discontinued series, they actually 'ended' season five fairly well. When it's all said and done, I think they did a fine job.
GodofCider 10 months ago
@GodofCider I proclaim here and now, Dune to be the best Sci-Fi universe =)
Ohh! Can I also have some crumpets? I can put on some tea :)
Mythification 10 months ago
@Mythification I heartedly disagree; at the very least SGA is better. ^_^
Hmm...I haven't had crumpets for a long time actually. It's a specialty food here, as that food simply isn't part of my local cuisine. Perhaps I'll make some.
GodofCider 10 months ago
@GodofCider Babylon 5 has more complex characters and scope than Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis (oh, and SGU is a joke). Did you know that the writers of Babylon 5 were atheists?
Violent2aShadow 10 months ago
@Violent2aShadow I haven't had a chance to watch any of SGU, unfortunately. I will not dispute your point of more complex characters, however the story is simply better in my eyes, which far outweighs any amount of character complexity.
No I didn't know that. I don't see how it's relevant, but it's not like that matters either way. Thanks for the information. ^_^
GodofCider 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek Yes Star Trek FTW!!!
Alex703rockstar 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek Give me Picard over Vader any day.
Zuifan 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek Watch it, we don't want a nerd sectarian jihad. Next the Tolkien and Harry Potter fans will start going at it, and Batman and Wolverine fans will be attacking the Superman and Hulk fans, and the Nerdpocalypse will begin.
GoblinXXX 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek - There's plenty of life lessons and morals to learn from Star Trek. TNG and Voyager are littered with them! I'm sure the original and Enterprise are fit for those titles too, though I never really caught much interest in those series.
xIntoThePitx 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek I agree thatStar Trek makes a better analogy. It has multiple writers who didn't see a need for a consistent back story.
8WholeThing 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek As cool as Star Wars is. Star Trek had much greater predictive capacity...Hand held long distance communicator (flip in the original and touch in TNG), the pad-like computer, medicinal scanners, etc.
savageecho 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek I'd say Doctor Who because it's got more episodes has an old and new version and the doctor preforms a miraculous resurrection every time they change the actor. The personality of the doctor keeps changing but we keep it on faith we are dealing with the same guy and the show maintains no continuity. Sounds like the bible to me. Yeah I'm a Dr Who fan my mom is the trekkie
JefferyMcLean 10 months ago
@JefferyMcLean Yeah I guess Dr. Who would be a bit better if you compare it like that.
Still, Voyager was the first sifi show that I actually started watching on a regular basis and I see it as the real reason why I'm a geek today.
Even though Doctor Who is an extremely close second, Star Trek still takes the cake for me.
(Star Gate SG-1 is third and Star Wars is floating somewhere in the rest of the rating system depending on what mood I'm in.)
ImACuteGeek 10 months ago
@ImACuteGeek I think Star Wars would be like Wicca. Lots of mystical stuff. Wicca got it's start in the 1940's but many books on wicca talk of practices dating back before Christianity existed as if Wicca was actually around back then. In this way the modern material is like the original trilogy and the "old ways" the prequel. Perhaps Star Trek could be Buddhism various versions all equally valid and not needing faith or a god.
JefferyMcLean 10 months ago
Lord it's difficult to keep my comments down to 500 characters on your videos.
Yessacmidnight 10 months ago
i'm currently in High school, and occasionally I get pestered about my Atheism by students. I explain thoroughly why I believe the way I do, and give certain quotes from the Bible that they're clearly unaware of. After they deny that the quote I distributed is actually from the Bible, a week later they brag to me about how they don't actually read the Bible
At one point, I just came to school with a sheet of paper filled with Bible verses, so I could tell people where whatever I talked about was
Yessacmidnight 10 months ago