Accidents happen when you run in the mid pack. We have seen how Vettel chokes when he is put under pressure. If you put him in the middle of the pack he'd probably go find Webber's car and crash into it like in Turkey, lol!!! As for Schumacher being ranked low on what ever list your reading.....of course they are gonna rank him low. They expect him to win every race and if he doesn't they are disappointed. Next year I expect to see Schumacher on the podium alot so i'm not worried. =)
in the field this year. Vettel was never real champion before F1. He only won one championship in a crap Formula BMW series. Throughout his entire career he has proved that he can't win if he can't qualify on the front row. Vettel has too many weaknesses to be the best driver in the field. Over time more of them will be exposed and you'll understand that he'll be more of the Nigel Mansell of his generation......instead of the Schumacher, Prost, or Senna.
wau! never thought that mercedes is so far back at handling compared with red bull. and that blue car looks so much smoother even on a straight line. could it be a matter of settings or is it about different arrangements of the suspension?
Seriously though. People who believe one heat in ROC determines who the better driver is in F1 need to wake up. ROC is jump into car and race. F1 is practice laps, adjust setup, practice laps, change setup, practice laps, adjust setup etc etc. Then they race.
Also during the Nations Cup Vettel was putting in better lap times than the time Schumacher set to beat Vettel in the ROC.
@Cain353 No, one heat in ROC doesn't determine who is better in F1. Did you already forget that Michael Schumacher in F1 has 91 wins and 7 drivers championships.....or are you as ignorant as all the other Vettel fans??? LOL
For your information I'm also a Schumacher fan. I have been since 1994. So next time think before you make a stupid comment because all it does is make you come across as ignorant.
As for Schumacher's past accomplishments. They're in no way an indication of his skill nowadays. If he wants to be champion in 2012 he'll first have to beat Rosberg. I respect Schumacher for returning but he clearly isn't who he used to be when he drove for Ferrari.
What we cán tell from ROC is that most contestants (apart from Pastrana and that other American (cross bike specialists I believe)) are incredibly talented in handling cars. Vettel was setting similar lap times in the Skoda Fabia Super 2000 as Ogier who is used to those kinds of cars.
Seeing as the RB7 was only available this year I highly doubt that. I also seriously doubt if Schumacher had Webber's seat he would have beaten Vettel in a car tailor made for Vettel. Webber is about the same in terms of skill as Massa. Schumacher beat Massa with less dominance than Vettel beat Webber this year.
If Schumacher had been in Webber's car he would have done better than Webber but he wouldn't have won the WDC.
@biscuitaful ofc he would, same goes for alonso and the others ...don't delude yourself there, just because ur a vettel fan. the car was a monster at the beginning of the season and still was a half a second faster in the end...but they cried after they realized they'll lose silverstone and by then everyone knew that RBR would win both championchips.
"Wont stand a chance" Schumacher had many mechanical problems,ppl crashing on him,and still got very close to Nico in the points. He owned Nico at many races with stunning performances,and has many chances in the next year
So,i can only consider that you are a Hater,or something worse,because you look like someone that doesnt have even watched this season. Sorry if im wrong.
@AlexD0e No he wouldnt, he cant even kick Rosberg´s ass. Face it, Schumi needs to retire and give way way to the younger generation. He and Barrichelo, must give way to the new f1 drivers
@SennaHamilton4ever First, i'd want to say i like your name......i'm a big Senna and Hamilton fan too. Yes, if you look at only points right now you'd say he can't beat Rosberg but you should take into account a couple things. #1 Schumacher has had more retirements this year vs rosberg, 5 vs just 2. #2 Schumacher has destroyed Rosberg in the second half of the season and i'm positive that form will continue into next year. #3 In season testing is comming back next year and that's where........
@SennaHamilton4ever Michael Schumacher really shines, he's one of the best at car development in the world. If Senna was around today......would you want him to retire??? I know i wouldn't, and that's the same way i feel about Schumacher. Hamilton is getting out performed by Button.....does that mean Button is a better driver???
@AlexD0e indeed, also, who would want to give up F1? The guy doesn't have to proof anything, on paper he is the best ever, why wouldn't he enjoy racing?
@philateliceun I agree, he retired but the love of the sport brought him back. He looks like that kid who started racing in Kerpen all those years ago. He's just happy to be behind the wheel again. It's not that long until the Schumacher magic comes back......if it weren't for DRS he would have had a podium in Canada this year. I'm sure if he gets a good car he's gonna win a race next year!!! =)
Schumacher has been faster in race pace for most of the races since Turkey so I don't see why Schumacher should retire. If you take Trulli for example, he bitches about everything and gets his ass handed to him by Kovalainen in each and every session. That's a prime example of someone who should retire.
Schumacher's problems right now is lack of qualifying speed and his too many mistakes. Without those mistakes he can challenge Rosberg.
@Cain353 Schumi should retire for some simple reasons: First of all he is way to old to be there, cmon 42? He should be a consultor for young drivers, or a permanent steward; second of all he should give his place to some rookies, F1 needs fresh air, not dead dog smell
Which ever way you slice it, his race pace in the majority of races since Turkey was better than Rosberg's. So clearly, age hasn't affected Schumacher that much. Calling him dead dog smell is just disrespectful. Remember he only lost to Rosberg with a handful of points this season.
No, better. You can check it on f1fanatics. Since Turkey Schumacher has had a better race pace in almost all races. The only problem Schumacher has is that Rosberg is at least 4 tenths quicker in quali so that usually meant Rosberg started P6 or 7 while Schumacher barely made it into Q3.
That, plus the fact that Schumacher has made several mistakes in attempts to overtake cost Schumacher the chance to challenge Rosberg in the standings.
@Cain353 Thats why he should give way to some younger drivers, like paul Di Resta. He obviously still has that passion and fighting spirit that are carectheristic of him, but a good driver must be quick in quali and in the race
@AlexD0e Do u really believe that? I hate them both, but im not blind, U must like Schumi, but dont be blind. Schumi cant even keep up with Rosberg, how in hell would he beat Sebastian?
@SennaHamilton4ever No i don't believe Button is a better driver but i'm just trying to make a point. I don't want to take anything away from Vettel's accomplishments this year but he is no way near the driver that Schumacher was and is. He's just taking advantage of a great car designed by Adrian Newey. I understand there is a lot of HYPE around Vettel but I don't believe he is even close to Hamilton or Alonso on speed and overtaking. Even though i hate to say it I think Alonso was the best....
He's taking the exact same advantage of the RB7 as Schumacher took of the F2002 and F2004. Those were beasts as well. Better yet, they were even more dominant. Schumacher won everything in those two cars but Barrichello was almost always second and won several races. We can't exactly say the same about the RB7 seeing as Webber had to fight for the podium more often than not while Vettel cruised away to victory. Plus, Webber's sole victory this season was a gift.
@Cain353 "Team bosses agree with you???" Team bosses don't know you. Your a nobody just voicing your opinion on YOUTUBE, lol!!! As for the 3 times he had to surrender victory. What, are we counting DNFs as victorys now? Now that is ignorant. You know, in 2009 Button won 5 out of the first 6 races because he had a great car. Vettel is the same. Even that win he had at Torro Rosso was from pole. It's easy to win from the front. Do you know how many times Vettel has won off the front row? Doubt it
What the fuck is your problem kid. You're the one voicing your opinion on Youtube and it's not even backed up with arguments. No shit I'm not gonna agree with your nonsense. The team bosses selected Vettel as best driver on the grid. So they chose him over Schumacher.
"What, are we counting DNFs as victorys now? "
No, just giving the reason why Webber had a chance of taking a title.
You use DNF's to defend Schumacher too so why shouldn't that apply to Vettel...
We've seen how good Hamilton is at overtaking this year. ;)
As for Alonso, they renamed Scuderia Ferrari into Scuderia Alonso last year during the German GP. I'll rate Alonso when he's got a teammate that gets the same car and is allowed to race with the same strategy.
Even so, the F1 team bosses gave Vettel the most points in best driver on the grid this year. Button was second, Alonso third. Rosberg was fifth and Schumacher? Tenth.
@Cain353 Hamilton is a great overtaker......it's just unfortunate that Massa is a moving chicane these day. Massa would rather crash than lose a position. As for race pace of Alonso vs Massa......there is an HUGE difference between them. I just was looking at there lap charts (over the full race distances over all races) the other day. Massa has the same car as Alonso he puts in equal laps with him but can't keep them consistent. Schumacher still has very cosistent laps but he's been.......
Hamilton is indeed a great overtaker. The only reason Vettel is considered to not be a great overtaker is because of just two crashes last year....
Again, that's two different measuring sticks for two different drivers. We don't call Hamilton a crash kid for his goofs this year, why did the Vettel haters do so last year. It makes no sense. Also Vettel has proven in 2008, 2009 and this year that he can overtake. This year he made 2 very spectacular overtakes. Spa and Monza.
LOL. Stop smoking ganja. Both Spa and Monza were DRS-less overtakes you ignorant moron. He passed Rosberg after Eau Rouge before DRS was enabled (DRS activates AFTER lap 2) and later Rosberg again on the oustide in Blanchimont and Alonso for the lead after Eau Rouge without deploying DRS because the team told him not to use it.
At Monza he again overtook Alonso without DRS in the Curva Grande, around the outside.
You would know this if you had seen the races you dumb troll.
@Cain353 Spa pass was on lap 3 in the DRS zone so your wrong on that one. Monza was a non-DRS pass obviously.....but come on it's Monza. Monza isn't a drivers track like Suzuka(where vettel lost to Button, lol). Anyone with a fast car can pass at Monza. Unless you have a great driver like Schumacher defending as Hamilton found out. =)
Also, the McLaren was obviously quickest at Suzuka this year. But look who got pole! Vettel. It was McLarens to fuck it up and give away pole. Just like they did in Hungary and Abu Dhabi.
Finally. Hamilton, the ´great´ overtaker, couldn´t overtake Schumacher because his top speed was lower than Schumachers. Vettel, who had the lowest top speed of the field, made it look easy round the outside in the sector of the track where Ferrari were second only to Mercedes.
Hamilton got stuck for over 20 laps. Vettel got it done and dusted in 2.
@Cain353 I just realize you mentioned Alonso too.....Alonso didn't pit when the safety car came out. Vettel did!!! It wasn't because the team told him not to use DRS....DRS wasn't active yet. In spa those tyres were blistering after 3 laps. Alonso had 10 laps on his tires. It no surprise that Vettel got passed Alonso. You would know that if you remembered the races you dumb troll!!! LOL
You're not exactly the best of your class in maths are you? But it's OK. Maybe when you grow up you'll become a descent student and learn how to do maths properly.
@Cain353 See now your trying to insult me because your wrong, you got caught, and now you look stupid. Why are you talking about math? How am i wrong......point out my faults!
Am I? How exactly. You say if you had a quarter for every pass Vettel made without DRS you'd have a quarter. 20 something times one is not one. So you fail at maths. Clear and simple. Or don't you understand the English language either?
@Cain353 "because your wrong" you sound like a 5 yr old trying to argue, LOL!!! I'm getting so much enjoyment out of this. I don't even need to insult you because your comments are making you look like a moron. Okay Vettel made 20 some odd passes in the season, right? When? Oh and don't count backmarkers!!! Let me know when you solve that math question =)
@Cain353 Here is another math question......If Vettel continued at his current pace as he did in the first 81 races of his F1 career how many more races will it take for him to catch Michael Schumacher's 91 wins??? Show us how smart you are, lol!!! =)
Just because you can't figure it out doesn't mean I'll do it for you. The only way to improve your maths is to do some yourself. You won't have mommy solving your maths problems later in life.
@Cain353 I wouldn't ask you it if i didn't know the answer. He will need 351 race starts, lol!!! That is more starts than Barrichello has!!! Damn you are a "dumb troll"......you can't even answer a simple math question. Get your GED already!!! =)
@Cain353 I was measuring your intelligence but obviously your an idiot. I took you to school and you got an F. I wouldn't expect much coming from someone that went to a clown college. Silly jokes don't pay the bills son so get an education........and if you want me to teach you some "F1 101" let me know. My door is wide open =)
And Hamilton's problem this year wasn't Massa because first of all he didn't run into Massa only. He had run ins with Button, Webber, Maldonado and Alonso. Some ended in tears some didn't. But to say it was all Massa's fault... LOL. No.
@Cain353 Qualifying horribly this year but he still can get the job done. If they had more testing he would have gotten back his driving form faster. Remember when Luca Badoer and Fisichella took over for Massa in the Ferrari. They couldn't get on pace because of lack of testing. As of this moment i very confident in saying Schumacher is faster than Rosberg. He dusted him off in the 2nd half of the season but had some retirements over the year that held him back.....
@Cain353 Vettel won't have a car 0.3 - 0.5 tenths a lap faster than everyone in the field for the rest of his career. Anyone can win with an advantage like that. Shoot, Webber almost won the Championship last year. I think that will tell you something!!! HAHAHA
Indeed. It tells us that, although Vettel lost more than 90 points due to mechanical problems (3 times he had to surrender a certain victory), Webber still couldn't beat Vettel.
As for the advantage you're right. Luckily Vettel performed extremely well in the Torro Rosso in 2007 and 2008. He won't dominate the season like he did this year but as long as his car is competitive he'll be a championship contender.
The FIA hasn't set a budget. They told the teams to cut costs. The teams or FOTA then decided on a budget. Red Bull, Ferrari and HRT are no longer part of FOTA now.
At the approach to the corner schumi takes it at 238kmph while at the exit he's at 225mph while if you look at vettel's dashboard he's taking the first curve and the exit at 256mph because of the extra downforce he doesn't need to lift.
@lawrentii hehe haha lmao :D shumi loves oversteer if you know what that means thats why he has those corections and yes red bull is better but those corrections are surley 99.9% of his oversteer :P
What? can you see the difficulties that Schumi has to Mantain the Caron the track? The Mercedes Suspension is terrible,puting all of the Problem on him is not fair!
@alof1ferrari Doesn't Schumacher as well? They seem to both have the yellow markings. Schumachers time is also way too fast to not be on the option compound.
@lawrentii it's still under process the whole thing. Schumi has said himself that its always a 4 year job to get the car, the driver and the team of course to work perfectly.
Schumi in the RB7 is going to beat all records again
MSchuminator 1 month ago
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AlexD0e 2 months ago
Accidents happen when you run in the mid pack. We have seen how Vettel chokes when he is put under pressure. If you put him in the middle of the pack he'd probably go find Webber's car and crash into it like in Turkey, lol!!! As for Schumacher being ranked low on what ever list your reading.....of course they are gonna rank him low. They expect him to win every race and if he doesn't they are disappointed. Next year I expect to see Schumacher on the podium alot so i'm not worried. =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
Schumacher 220km/h,Vettel 245km/h
Fucking car diffirents !
yakisiklijojuk123 2 months ago
@yakisiklijojuk123,
No, error from Schumacher. Rosberg went through that corner with 238 km/h.
Cain353 2 months ago
Schumacher made a mistake going into the corner and had to correct th resulting slide. Vettel didn't.
Cain353 2 months ago
in the field this year. Vettel was never real champion before F1. He only won one championship in a crap Formula BMW series. Throughout his entire career he has proved that he can't win if he can't qualify on the front row. Vettel has too many weaknesses to be the best driver in the field. Over time more of them will be exposed and you'll understand that he'll be more of the Nigel Mansell of his generation......instead of the Schumacher, Prost, or Senna.
AlexD0e 2 months ago
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"Throughout his entire career he has proved that he can't win if he can't qualify on the front row. "
That explains Malaysia 2010...
"Vettel has too many weaknesses to be the best driver in the field."
This year he hasn't shown any weaknesses.
"Over time more of them will be exposed and you'll understand that he'll be more of the Nigel Mansell of his generation"
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe, after repeating it enough you'll actually believe it.
Cain353 2 months ago
wau! never thought that mercedes is so far back at handling compared with red bull. and that blue car looks so much smoother even on a straight line. could it be a matter of settings or is it about different arrangements of the suspension?
spc1980ro 2 months ago
SCHUMACHER ELIMINATED VETTEL IN THE 2011 RACE OF CHAMPIONS!!!
thumbs up if you like this
AlexD0e 2 months ago 42
@AlexD0e,
WHICH MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
Because Petrov beat Schumacher. PETROV!!!
Seriously though. People who believe one heat in ROC determines who the better driver is in F1 need to wake up. ROC is jump into car and race. F1 is practice laps, adjust setup, practice laps, change setup, practice laps, adjust setup etc etc. Then they race.
Also during the Nations Cup Vettel was putting in better lap times than the time Schumacher set to beat Vettel in the ROC.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 No, one heat in ROC doesn't determine who is better in F1. Did you already forget that Michael Schumacher in F1 has 91 wins and 7 drivers championships.....or are you as ignorant as all the other Vettel fans??? LOL
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Straight to insults. WOW!
For your information I'm also a Schumacher fan. I have been since 1994. So next time think before you make a stupid comment because all it does is make you come across as ignorant.
As for Schumacher's past accomplishments. They're in no way an indication of his skill nowadays. If he wants to be champion in 2012 he'll first have to beat Rosberg. I respect Schumacher for returning but he clearly isn't who he used to be when he drove for Ferrari.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
What we cán tell from ROC is that most contestants (apart from Pastrana and that other American (cross bike specialists I believe)) are incredibly talented in handling cars. Vettel was setting similar lap times in the Skoda Fabia Super 2000 as Ogier who is used to those kinds of cars.
Cain353 2 months ago
give schumacher the RB7 and he would get another few titles.
PernellDD 2 months ago 30
@PernellDD,
Seeing as the RB7 was only available this year I highly doubt that. I also seriously doubt if Schumacher had Webber's seat he would have beaten Vettel in a car tailor made for Vettel. Webber is about the same in terms of skill as Massa. Schumacher beat Massa with less dominance than Vettel beat Webber this year.
If Schumacher had been in Webber's car he would have done better than Webber but he wouldn't have won the WDC.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Looks like 64 thumbs disagree with you!!! lol
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Which means that there are 64 other blind fanboy's on Youtube.
Me? I've got most of todays team bosses agreeing with me. I value their opinion a lot higher than the opinions of a few blind fanboy's.
Cain353 2 months ago
@PernellDD no he wouldnt
biscuitaful 1 month ago
@biscuitaful ofc he would, same goes for alonso and the others ...don't delude yourself there, just because ur a vettel fan. the car was a monster at the beginning of the season and still was a half a second faster in the end...but they cried after they realized they'll lose silverstone and by then everyone knew that RBR would win both championchips.
fieserPICARD 1 month ago
@fieserPICARD i'm not a vettel fan, i hate him :L
biscuitaful 1 month ago
@PernellDD give Rosberg the other RB7 and schumacher wont stand a chance, just like in the 2011 championship
lealowo 1 month ago
@lealowo
"Wont stand a chance" Schumacher had many mechanical problems,ppl crashing on him,and still got very close to Nico in the points. He owned Nico at many races with stunning performances,and has many chances in the next year
So,i can only consider that you are a Hater,or something worse,because you look like someone that doesnt have even watched this season. Sorry if im wrong.
eduds6 1 month ago
@eduds6 i respect your point but we have split opinions about MS. I have been following F1 very deeply from many years btw
lealowo 1 month ago
@lealowo
Me too.
eduds6 1 month ago
look at the tyres!!!
but ye, the rb is much easier to drive than the MGP
proxiii1234 3 months ago
if vettel drives the mercedes he couldn't get the corner as shumacher
93AlexanderBg 3 months ago
Schumi for ever!!
Pikamikaze25 3 months ago 2
If Schumacher was driving a RedBull.......he'd kick the shit out of Vettel!
AlexD0e 3 months ago 63
@AlexD0e No he wouldnt, he cant even kick Rosberg´s ass. Face it, Schumi needs to retire and give way way to the younger generation. He and Barrichelo, must give way to the new f1 drivers
SennaHamilton4ever 3 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever First, i'd want to say i like your name......i'm a big Senna and Hamilton fan too. Yes, if you look at only points right now you'd say he can't beat Rosberg but you should take into account a couple things. #1 Schumacher has had more retirements this year vs rosberg, 5 vs just 2. #2 Schumacher has destroyed Rosberg in the second half of the season and i'm positive that form will continue into next year. #3 In season testing is comming back next year and that's where........
AlexD0e 3 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever Michael Schumacher really shines, he's one of the best at car development in the world. If Senna was around today......would you want him to retire??? I know i wouldn't, and that's the same way i feel about Schumacher. Hamilton is getting out performed by Button.....does that mean Button is a better driver???
AlexD0e 3 months ago 3
@AlexD0e indeed, also, who would want to give up F1? The guy doesn't have to proof anything, on paper he is the best ever, why wouldn't he enjoy racing?
philateliceun 2 months ago
@philateliceun I agree, he retired but the love of the sport brought him back. He looks like that kid who started racing in Kerpen all those years ago. He's just happy to be behind the wheel again. It's not that long until the Schumacher magic comes back......if it weren't for DRS he would have had a podium in Canada this year. I'm sure if he gets a good car he's gonna win a race next year!!! =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever,
Schumacher has been faster in race pace for most of the races since Turkey so I don't see why Schumacher should retire. If you take Trulli for example, he bitches about everything and gets his ass handed to him by Kovalainen in each and every session. That's a prime example of someone who should retire.
Schumacher's problems right now is lack of qualifying speed and his too many mistakes. Without those mistakes he can challenge Rosberg.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Schumi should retire for some simple reasons: First of all he is way to old to be there, cmon 42? He should be a consultor for young drivers, or a permanent steward; second of all he should give his place to some rookies, F1 needs fresh air, not dead dog smell
SennaHamilton4ever 2 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever,
Which ever way you slice it, his race pace in the majority of races since Turkey was better than Rosberg's. So clearly, age hasn't affected Schumacher that much. Calling him dead dog smell is just disrespectful. Remember he only lost to Rosberg with a handful of points this season.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Better? the same is more adequade...
SennaHamilton4ever 2 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever,
No, better. You can check it on f1fanatics. Since Turkey Schumacher has had a better race pace in almost all races. The only problem Schumacher has is that Rosberg is at least 4 tenths quicker in quali so that usually meant Rosberg started P6 or 7 while Schumacher barely made it into Q3.
That, plus the fact that Schumacher has made several mistakes in attempts to overtake cost Schumacher the chance to challenge Rosberg in the standings.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Thats why he should give way to some younger drivers, like paul Di Resta. He obviously still has that passion and fighting spirit that are carectheristic of him, but a good driver must be quick in quali and in the race
SennaHamilton4ever 2 months ago
@AlexD0e Do u really believe that? I hate them both, but im not blind, U must like Schumi, but dont be blind. Schumi cant even keep up with Rosberg, how in hell would he beat Sebastian?
SennaHamilton4ever 2 months ago
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AlexD0e 2 months ago
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AlexD0e 2 months ago
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@SennaHamilton4ever No i don't believe Button is a better driver but i'm just trying to make a point. I don't want to take anything away from Vettel's accomplishments this year but he is no way near the driver that Schumacher was and is. He's just taking advantage of a great car designed by Adrian Newey. I understand there is a lot of HYPE around Vettel but I don't believe he is even close to Hamilton or Alonso on speed and overtaking. Even though i hate to say it I think Alonso was the best....
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
He's taking the exact same advantage of the RB7 as Schumacher took of the F2002 and F2004. Those were beasts as well. Better yet, they were even more dominant. Schumacher won everything in those two cars but Barrichello was almost always second and won several races. We can't exactly say the same about the RB7 seeing as Webber had to fight for the podium more often than not while Vettel cruised away to victory. Plus, Webber's sole victory this season was a gift.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 "Team bosses agree with you???" Team bosses don't know you. Your a nobody just voicing your opinion on YOUTUBE, lol!!! As for the 3 times he had to surrender victory. What, are we counting DNFs as victorys now? Now that is ignorant. You know, in 2009 Button won 5 out of the first 6 races because he had a great car. Vettel is the same. Even that win he had at Torro Rosso was from pole. It's easy to win from the front. Do you know how many times Vettel has won off the front row? Doubt it
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
What the fuck is your problem kid. You're the one voicing your opinion on Youtube and it's not even backed up with arguments. No shit I'm not gonna agree with your nonsense. The team bosses selected Vettel as best driver on the grid. So they chose him over Schumacher.
"What, are we counting DNFs as victorys now? "
No, just giving the reason why Webber had a chance of taking a title.
You use DNF's to defend Schumacher too so why shouldn't that apply to Vettel...
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
"Do you know how many times Vettel has won off the front row?"
20. Your point? There is none.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
We've seen how good Hamilton is at overtaking this year. ;)
As for Alonso, they renamed Scuderia Ferrari into Scuderia Alonso last year during the German GP. I'll rate Alonso when he's got a teammate that gets the same car and is allowed to race with the same strategy.
Even so, the F1 team bosses gave Vettel the most points in best driver on the grid this year. Button was second, Alonso third. Rosberg was fifth and Schumacher? Tenth.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Hamilton is a great overtaker......it's just unfortunate that Massa is a moving chicane these day. Massa would rather crash than lose a position. As for race pace of Alonso vs Massa......there is an HUGE difference between them. I just was looking at there lap charts (over the full race distances over all races) the other day. Massa has the same car as Alonso he puts in equal laps with him but can't keep them consistent. Schumacher still has very cosistent laps but he's been.......
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Hamilton is indeed a great overtaker. The only reason Vettel is considered to not be a great overtaker is because of just two crashes last year....
Again, that's two different measuring sticks for two different drivers. We don't call Hamilton a crash kid for his goofs this year, why did the Vettel haters do so last year. It makes no sense. Also Vettel has proven in 2008, 2009 and this year that he can overtake. This year he made 2 very spectacular overtakes. Spa and Monza.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Oh yeah he did pass in Spa and Monza......DRS is great isn't it??? =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
LOL. Stop smoking ganja. Both Spa and Monza were DRS-less overtakes you ignorant moron. He passed Rosberg after Eau Rouge before DRS was enabled (DRS activates AFTER lap 2) and later Rosberg again on the oustide in Blanchimont and Alonso for the lead after Eau Rouge without deploying DRS because the team told him not to use it.
At Monza he again overtook Alonso without DRS in the Curva Grande, around the outside.
You would know this if you had seen the races you dumb troll.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Spa pass was on lap 3 in the DRS zone so your wrong on that one. Monza was a non-DRS pass obviously.....but come on it's Monza. Monza isn't a drivers track like Suzuka(where vettel lost to Button, lol). Anyone with a fast car can pass at Monza. Unless you have a great driver like Schumacher defending as Hamilton found out. =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
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@AlexD0e
"Spa pass was on lap 3 in the DRS zone so your wrong on that one."
It was still without DRS. Review the moment if you doubt me.
"Monza isn't a drivers track like Suzuka(where vettel lost to Button, lol)."
No, where Red Bull took too much time with the pitstops.
"Unless you have a great driver like Schumacher defending as Hamilton found out."
Schumacher was able to 'defend' because he had the same top speed without DRS as Hamilton did with DRS.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Also, the McLaren was obviously quickest at Suzuka this year. But look who got pole! Vettel. It was McLarens to fuck it up and give away pole. Just like they did in Hungary and Abu Dhabi.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Finally. Hamilton, the ´great´ overtaker, couldn´t overtake Schumacher because his top speed was lower than Schumachers. Vettel, who had the lowest top speed of the field, made it look easy round the outside in the sector of the track where Ferrari were second only to Mercedes.
Hamilton got stuck for over 20 laps. Vettel got it done and dusted in 2.
That about sums it up.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 I just realize you mentioned Alonso too.....Alonso didn't pit when the safety car came out. Vettel did!!! It wasn't because the team told him not to use DRS....DRS wasn't active yet. In spa those tyres were blistering after 3 laps. Alonso had 10 laps on his tires. It no surprise that Vettel got passed Alonso. You would know that if you remembered the races you dumb troll!!! LOL
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
They were blistering extensively on the Red Bull's. Not on the Ferrari's. Dumb troll.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 If i had a quarter for every time Vettel made a pass without DRS......i'd have a quarter!!! LMAO =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
You're not exactly the best of your class in maths are you? But it's OK. Maybe when you grow up you'll become a descent student and learn how to do maths properly.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 See now your trying to insult me because your wrong, you got caught, and now you look stupid. Why are you talking about math? How am i wrong......point out my faults!
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
"because your wrong"
Am I? How exactly. You say if you had a quarter for every pass Vettel made without DRS you'd have a quarter. 20 something times one is not one. So you fail at maths. Clear and simple. Or don't you understand the English language either?
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 "because your wrong" you sound like a 5 yr old trying to argue, LOL!!! I'm getting so much enjoyment out of this. I don't even need to insult you because your comments are making you look like a moron. Okay Vettel made 20 some odd passes in the season, right? When? Oh and don't count backmarkers!!! Let me know when you solve that math question =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
I was quoting you. Now who's the moron? Moron.
And further, did I say he made 20 passes this year? You said he made only one DRS-less pass. I proved you wrong. Your problem not mine.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 (Jepordy Theme)........what is taking you so long to count to 20??? hahaha
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Jepordy? Seriously?!? Jesus fucking Christ on a stick that's bad.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Here is another math question......If Vettel continued at his current pace as he did in the first 81 races of his F1 career how many more races will it take for him to catch Michael Schumacher's 91 wins??? Show us how smart you are, lol!!! =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Just because you can't figure it out doesn't mean I'll do it for you. The only way to improve your maths is to do some yourself. You won't have mommy solving your maths problems later in life.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 I wouldn't ask you it if i didn't know the answer. He will need 351 race starts, lol!!! That is more starts than Barrichello has!!! Damn you are a "dumb troll"......you can't even answer a simple math question. Get your GED already!!! =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
It took you THAT long to figure that out? WOW!!! What was the problem? Couldn't you figure out which button was the solve button on your calculator?!
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353
It's funny though. I've proved all your 'arguments' as to why Vettel is jus a hype wrong and all you can do is blab about your poor math skills.
I don't care that you suck at school kid!
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 I was measuring your intelligence but obviously your an idiot. I took you to school and you got an F. I wouldn't expect much coming from someone that went to a clown college. Silly jokes don't pay the bills son so get an education........and if you want me to teach you some "F1 101" let me know. My door is wide open =)
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
Measuring my intelligence? By going straight to insults? And your disability to respond to my arguments? Yes. Good job!!
ROFL.
Also, don't steal the insults from the person insulting YOU. You fucking moron!
At least try to think of something on your own.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 You belong with Nascar fans......"they don't care them much about those silly numbers!"
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
LOL. Sure kid, sure.
Now go back to bed before your mom catches you playing around with her computer again.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
And Hamilton's problem this year wasn't Massa because first of all he didn't run into Massa only. He had run ins with Button, Webber, Maldonado and Alonso. Some ended in tears some didn't. But to say it was all Massa's fault... LOL. No.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Qualifying horribly this year but he still can get the job done. If they had more testing he would have gotten back his driving form faster. Remember when Luca Badoer and Fisichella took over for Massa in the Ferrari. They couldn't get on pace because of lack of testing. As of this moment i very confident in saying Schumacher is faster than Rosberg. He dusted him off in the 2nd half of the season but had some retirements over the year that held him back.....
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
Retirements....
I thought we didn't count DNF's.
Cain353 2 months ago
@AlexD0e
And then you woke up.
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 Vettel won't have a car 0.3 - 0.5 tenths a lap faster than everyone in the field for the rest of his career. Anyone can win with an advantage like that. Shoot, Webber almost won the Championship last year. I think that will tell you something!!! HAHAHA
AlexD0e 2 months ago
@AlexD0e,
Indeed. It tells us that, although Vettel lost more than 90 points due to mechanical problems (3 times he had to surrender a certain victory), Webber still couldn't beat Vettel.
As for the advantage you're right. Luckily Vettel performed extremely well in the Torro Rosso in 2007 and 2008. He won't dominate the season like he did this year but as long as his car is competitive he'll be a championship contender.
Cain353 2 months ago
There is one other, more important difference, the drivers. ;)
cocorocks88 4 months ago
It shows, that is what will happen when Red Bull more than the budget which set by the FIA.
zulkifli2007 4 months ago
@zulkifli2007
The FIA hasn't set a budget. They told the teams to cut costs. The teams or FOTA then decided on a budget. Red Bull, Ferrari and HRT are no longer part of FOTA now.
Cain353 2 months ago
2011 season is shit, thanks to Button for winning 2 awesomes races & entertaining us lol.
DominarTyranT1 4 months ago 5
@DominarTyranT1
Button won 3 races.
Cain353 2 months ago
That Red Bull must be better than Sex!!!
TheFerrariable 4 months ago
At the approach to the corner schumi takes it at 238kmph while at the exit he's at 225mph while if you look at vettel's dashboard he's taking the first curve and the exit at 256mph because of the extra downforce he doesn't need to lift.
Anime998877 6 months ago 3
Red Bull is much stabile, you can see often how Schumi needs to corect his car traiectory.
lawrentii 8 months ago 48
@lawrentii hehe haha lmao :D shumi loves oversteer if you know what that means thats why he has those corections and yes red bull is better but those corrections are surley 99.9% of his oversteer :P
vuurwerkl 6 months ago
@vuurwerkl
What? can you see the difficulties that Schumi has to Mantain the Caron the track? The Mercedes Suspension is terrible,puting all of the Problem on him is not fair!
eduds6 6 months ago
@lawrentii i agree but vettel uses the option compound!
alof1ferrari 4 months ago
@alof1ferrari Doesn't Schumacher as well? They seem to both have the yellow markings. Schumachers time is also way too fast to not be on the option compound.
Lolzilol123 3 months ago 2
@Lolzilol123 Oh yes sry :D
alof1ferrari 3 months ago
@lawrentii it's still under process the whole thing. Schumi has said himself that its always a 4 year job to get the car, the driver and the team of course to work perfectly.
TheOriginalGayman 2 months ago
@TheOriginalGayman,
It took Vettel just 2 years. ;)
Cain353 2 months ago
@Cain353 yeah :D The exception proves the rule :P
TheOriginalGayman 2 months ago
well rosberg is doing better than schumi so i dont know how you work that out
formulaone123 10 months ago
@formulaone123
You should shut up English Boy,And see ur loved Drivers that are being owned by Sebastian.
eduds6 6 months ago
if shumi had a better car he would leave these kids in his dust
messithehero2011 10 months ago
this and last season isnt fun,because RBR is so much faster than others
Foxman196 10 months ago
RBR much faster car...he kept it in 6th gear at the chicane the MGP had to go down 2 gears to 5th and it does not look so stable at that first turn.
Fonebeast 10 months ago
How do you know that? From looking at it! But of course!!
darrenmaharaj 10 months ago
Jeez, Vettel is almost 30 km/h faster.
CaboArmorKing 10 months ago
@CaboArmorKing Red Bull is almost 30kmh faster
arturcraft2 10 months ago
@arturcraft2
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
CaboArmorKing 10 months ago
@CaboArmorKing You tried to mock Michael
arturcraft2 10 months ago
@arturcraft2
No, i didn't. Michael Schumacher is my favorite driver. Ever. I'm serious.
I hate the superiority of Red Bull's downforce.
CaboArmorKing 10 months ago