"I had to go to bar to refill my drinks..." - really? did u see waiters standing around and skratching their bullocks while u were doing that or were they just to busy to atur table? People who never worked hard and are usually shit at their own job tend to complain more and are more damanding than others. As far as I 'm concerned, those customers can f... themseves!
Continued from below: At the end of the day I just made 30 or 40 dollars an hour, have 100 to 300 dollars in my pocket and averaged 20 percent even with cheap ass tippers. Why? Because I'm damn good at what I do and I don't work in a shitty restaurant. (I don't work in fine dining either.) My job puts 18 percent on parties of 8 or more, but if I had a choice I would rather take my chances.
I've been a waiter for many years. I have to say if a waiter gets really upset because of lousy tippers there are three possible reasons. First, they are a bad server. Second, they work in a bad restaurant or part of town. Third, they are new to serving and are parroting more experienced servers who fall into category one or two. Do I bitch about shitty tips? Of course I do, to another waiter in the heat of the moment and then I'm over it.
Cheap bastards. If you have an issue with the service, talk to the Manager. When you refuse a tip, you don't screw over one server. You screw over a whole bunch of people because at the end of their shift they tip out others!
What they are not saying is that it was on a weekend night (means food will take longer as the place gets slammed.). Also that they did not order right away. The server does not cook the food. They have gratuity added to larger parties because they consume more of the servers time and their ability to make more tips by having more tables. It probably stated on the menu that it was their policy to add a gratuity to larger parties. They have obviously never waited a table in their lives. Try McD's
"Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones."
Stiffing the server is NOT the way to deal with this problem! Paying the tip is just like paying tax--manditory!
In other countries (where tips are not EARNED) meals are more expensive so the establishment can pay the servers directly. In the UNITED STATES a tip is EXPECTED, similar to EXPECTING to paying tax!
So...if you want to eat out in the United States remember to budget for the tip!
You can not compare tax and tips. Tips are voluntary based on your satisfaction. They are expected by the servers and other staff, but they are NEVER mandatory. Tax is mandatory as indicated by federal law.
@LeviathAileron In other countries (where tips are not EARNED) meals are more expensive so the establishment can pay the servers directly. In the UNITED STATES a tip is EXPECTED, similar to EXPECTING to paying tax!
@TheGoodperson555 Other countries are not relevant to this video/conversation. Also like I said; tips are earned not expected, no amount of capital letters will change that. There is no law that states we have to tip in fact it is quite the opposite. State laws are different, where I'm from it is illegal to solicit tips or charge gratuity fee unless it is a large party.
So no, it is not like paying tax as tax is required by law in most states; demanding tips is quite illegal.
I'm a server for the Hilton Hotel and I don't think people comprehend that we make less then half of minimum wage. Big parties are difficult to take care of especially when you have other tables. Honestly, I will always tip 15 percent no matter WHAT. If you can't afford to tip, than you can't afford to eat out.
I was a waiter for 4 years in college. From all of their complaints, only the refill of drinks reflects on the server. People need to distinguish the difference between a server and that of a busser, and a chef. You waited 1 hr for your food... That's more times than not the kitchens fault, not the server's. You didn't have silverware on your table... That's probably the busser's fault, not the server's. If I was their server, I'd want her and her over-weight, balding boyfriend out as ASAP.
there were 6 or more of u anyways idiots, pay the gratuity you cheap bastards im sure it was only %15-%18. thats gross that you would try to leave without tipping, service was good or bad you still were served by someone. tip or stay at home or order togo or fast food freakS!
@bradytorg1 You pay for the food that is served by the restaurant. Restaurant pays the servers and other staff to serve the customers and prepare the food. Tips are exactly that, tips for the service well done, if you feel it is deserved.
@figarovancouver@TheGoodperson555 Clearly you've never worked in a resturant, or you dont live in america. Servers get paid 2.00 an hour, which is usually taxed and amounts to nothing. They also have to pay the bartender and busser, even if no tip is left. By not tipping the server pays to serve you. If the company policy states that a tip is mandatory, they should be held responsible to pay it. If you cant afford a 20% tip please do the world a favor and stay at home.
gratuity 1. (Business / Commerce) a gift or reward, usually of money, for services rendered; tip
2. something given without claim or obligation
3. (Military) Military a financial award granted for long or meritorious service
Nowhere in that accepted English definition does it say that it is required or legally binding. The restaurant have no legal leg to stand on if people don't pay. I think the cops were also in the wrong. An invoice for services is a civil matter, not criminal.
DAM WAITER AND WAITRESS CRY ALL OVER ABOUT NOT BEING PAID ENOUGH LIKE TEACHERS. Get another job if u think u aint getting paid good... stop expecting for something that is not required. whats the difference between u and a dam beggar now? sheit.
@ReverseVortex The difference would be that a server works for his or her money. A beggar does not - hence why they "beg" for it instead of offering a valuable service for it. In other words: it's in the name, dipshit, please don't post things until you've at least graduated junior high.
@nekkidandrew You're right. A server is worse than a begger. I have never been offered service by a waiter, it's always forced on you. A begger on the other hand is much more honest about it. A waiter is mor elike the guy who smears you windshield with an old news papaer at a stop light and then holds his hand out. It's really not a valuble in any way either. I'd much rather spend the 90 seconds getting my own food than pay $10 to a moron cunt for it.
To everyone who doesn't tip you sir are actually stealing from the server. The server is already in the hole when you sit down to eat. There is a thing called tipshare. That is usually at least 3%. Sometimes more. So on a $100 dollar bill it costs the server $3.00 to serve you. The reason gratuity is added to six or more is because the bills are usually over $200. That would cost $6.00 to serve a group of six. Knowing that 70% of the population does not tip well at all.
I think its better to raise the prices of food, and to give staff better wages, than to make people tip...... food is a bit pricy in Austraila, but however its optional to tip
@edwardd6681 I love thinking about how much spit you've tasted. How many pieces of food you've eaten off the floor. Maybe a lil sneeze on top for that extra zing. You don't think we remember you people? Jokes on you. And you'd never even know it.
The sad thing is these waitresses make 2$ an hour under the "right to work law" and if service is bad 99% its not their fault its problems w/ the kitchen or mgmt.
@kristalblair there is no way in HELL they could pay servers a decent salary and do away with tipping without raising menu prices... the menu prices are what they are BECAUSE of the tipping system. if you don't want to tip, then expect to pay more for your food. either way, you end up paying the server!
As a waiter myself, I don't believe people understand the TIP is our wage. I do agree bad service deserves a bad tip, I've dealt with a lot of people who don't tip just because of nothing. From literally running around for them, using my phone, etc. and not leaving me a tip is wrong. Being a waiter is much more to the eye, we're only human.
Gratuity policies are policies and people need to understand that. Most restaurants have a HUGE sign posted that states it. But then again, I understand people who can't even read are getting into colleges these days...
@milkjamjuice - That's true, but I think gratuity policies are absolute BS. I know that sometimes a staff busts ass to service a big group of people, only to be stiffed in the end. It's not right, but NO one should HAVE to pay a tip. If the service is great, then yes tip, if not, don't. I've been yelled at for this when I took my friends out, but you know what, the service was LOUSY. Over 90 minutes for 15 minute prep finger food & drinks? Don't think so. Be mad, I'm not tipping for that.
@BitCrasher99 a tip isn't "a little something extra" that is thrown in as a treat. you pay servers tips because you are paying for a service. you wouldn't hire a private chef to come to your house and cook for you and expect that you only have to pay for the food, you would have to pay the chef for performing a service for you as well... that is EXACTLY like a server in a restaurant. a server doesn't get paid by the restaurant (this helps keep the food prices lower). YOU pay for their service.
@BitCrasher99 and with your exact situation... when the food is taking a long time to get to the table, it's not necessarily the fault of the server. the kitchen could be having problems or could be backed up with orders... especially if it's busy, you should expect your food will take longer, because orders are cooked as they are recieved... not in order of what takes the shortest amount of times. if there is a bartender, the server has to wait for the bartender to prepare the drinks etc...
a good server should notice when the food is taking longer than expected, and then apologize to the guest and explain why the food or drinks are taking a long time... its hard to understand how these things work if youve never worked in a restaurant, especially a very busy restaurant...
@milkjamjuice good point... if you don't like the gratuity policey, don't dine in that restaurant! there's no law about tipping, so if a restaurant chooses to include it on the bill, that is their perogitive. they are charging for a service, if there was a problem with the service throughout the meal, then they should have asked to speak with a manager long BEFORE the check was even brought to the the table. notice how THAT was never mentioned
@AshyMishyMashy - All valid points, and I understand how restaurants and services where tipping is involved work. All I'm saying is that the server should be notifying you if the order will take longer, keep drinks full, check in to ensure everything is good after food is delivered, and be as fast and accommodating as they can. They do that for me, I tip generously. Service is a crappy industry, and I give kudos to those who do it well. I think their wages should reflect this, tipping or no.
@AshyMishyMashy - And I agree alsothat they SHOULD have said something to management about their meal if it wasn't up to par or the server wasn't doing their job. Servers are busy people and they can't see everything all the time. If something was wrong with their meal, they should have said something. If the problem was the server themselves, they should have spoken to management.
@kristalblair I've made the same response or similar as a voice to pose that question. Why do these people let the government treat them as low class citizens, they should get minimum wage. If you tip a server in a restuarant why not the guy that puts your order together at the car supply store, the guy that teaches your first aid course. Its a screwed up system. Just voicing my right to free speech like any other.
@kristalblair i don't expect to be treated like royalty. just do your job and get me my food. bring it on time and correctly.. do that and i'll pay the full 100% of the bill + tax.
i never fuckin' tip... but in this case .. the couple went with a group of 6 and the restaurant clearly stated there is a 'surcharge' of 18% for groups of 6 or more. they knew that going in so they MUST pay it.
OK...the mandatory gratuity is ONLY put on parties of 6 or more, in all restaurants I have worked in it is 8 or more, but the point is, if a server is all tied up with a huge table...getting all of their drinks, appetizers, meals, desserts...they are LOSING out on other tables! Therefore, they get a mandatory 18% because if this big table is full of cheap asses, they get tipped anyway!! Bottom line...you should have to WORK in a restaurant before you are allowed to eat in one. Period.
OK...the mandatory gratuity is ONLY put on parties of 6 or more, in all restaurants I have worked in it is 8 or more, but the point is, if a server is all tied up with a huge table...getting all of their drinks, appetizers, meals, desserts...they are LOSING out on other tables! Therefore, they get a mandatory 18% because if this big table is full of cheap asses, they get tipped anyway!! Bottom line...you should have to WORK in a restaurant before you are allowed to eat in one. Period.
If you receive poor service, the tip should be at your discretion. However, as a waiter, if your service is good or excellent tip accordingly. If you don't feel paying for service is your responsibility, just inform your server PRIOR to ordering so we can ignore you, lose your order, and rush you out so we can earn a living wage.
how about paying workers a decent wage instead of them hoping for the generosity of customers. Do not give tips here in Australia as workers receive decent wages...
@MrRaibyn American waiters make more money, if we don't make minimum wage in tips we get minimum wage. My friend made 18 grand in one summer working a single waitressing job. I don't make as much, but i'm a good waiter and Americans are generous. I like Aussies too, Arabs, Indians, Asians, and French people are rude and give shit tips.
why are you suppose to tip? really why in this contract of payment for food should there be an additional charge? you don't tip at fast food resturants.
@wcresponder people who work at fast food restaurants get paid at least minimum wage. waiters get paid between 2.25 and 3.50 an hour because the restaurant assumes they will get tips. The tips are estimated, and the waiter gets taxed on them, whether you tipped or not.
@slickter12 so because your country has a screwed pay system the customer should be forced to foot extra money, no wonder the US is in so much financial trouble. Then you go around insulting others for commenting, Shameful.
If it's on the menu, it's a fixed, legal charge, no different than the prices for their food items. It's their restaurant, and they can charge what they want. They should call it a "service charge" instead, though.
i had a bad experience at apple bees with this gratuity BS. NO WHERE, ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE is it legal to make you pay tip. thats complete shit if you get arrested. i dont see as to how the cop even arrested them. but at the bottom of the bill they put 18%. are you fucking crazy? for what. to bring me a plate? and the service wasnt that good. i left him half because the guy was nice. but no $15 wasnt enough for him. anyone who thinks they should pay someone $20 to bring them 5 plates is CRAZY
I've always been a great tipper and not sure I have ever held back from tipping the minimum. I've always tipped over 30% and a lot of times much more than that, depends. I have never even thought of not leaving a tip but this mandatory bullshit sure makes me think that way.
What's next? They going to tell me what to eat to?
@AudienceLastClapper I, for one, intend to frequent this pub next time I'm in the area. An establishment that has the balls to actually fight for what's right has my vote. Next time I'm near Bethlehem, you bet your ass I'm stopping here for lunch. And I'll tip generously, too.
IF YOU FUCKING EAT OUT--YOU FUCKING TIP. FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUDGE THE SERVICE UNLESS YOU HAVE SERVED BEFORE AND UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU ARE IN. FOR WHEN MOST PEOPLE SAY THEY GOT "AWFUL SERVICE" THEY SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THE REST SIMPLY JUST SAY THAT. THATS ALL. PEOPLE JUST CALL ALL SERVICE HORRIBLE TO GET AWAY WITH NOT TIPPING. ESPECIALLY THE STEROTYPES. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
Also, your statement is false. A tip is something you give someone who provides you with above and beyond the service they are providing. If they fail to meet that standard then they deserve no tip.
Tip (aka Gratuity) defined as:
1.a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip.
"FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUDGE THE SERVICE UNLESS YOU HAVE SERVED BEFORE AND UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU ARE IN."
Also a false and stupid statement. You do not have to know what serving is like in order to judge it.
For example, someone who eats out frequently is served frequently (bad and good); therefore, they know what good and bad service is, and can respond with an appropriate tip.
*I'm studying to become a medical doctor, when I save a life, where is my tip?
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Okay, I'll assume you made a syntax error, and you meant t2o say, the actions of the restaurant, and not the cops. I'll take $5K, instead. Please contact me at my Channel, thank you.
Hey look, if you had a neighbor working on your car, and he called the police on you, telling them, you were trespassing on his property, not paying your service bill, and it none of it was true, the cops will arrive, walk over t2o investigate you, and you can still find yourself in handcuffs wondering what the funk is going on, until the facts and the scene are sorted out in the field, in real time. The cops were legally justified in handling the restaurant's complaint. The courts will decide.
It appears you think the charges are coming from the police, when the charges have been brought against the patrons by the restaurant management. So again, the cops were legally justified in serving the alleged charges of the restaurant complaint against the alleged patrons. It's civil, it's legally justified action by the 'evil' cops, and everyo1ne has their day in court. But the cops won't be charged with false arrest, b/c the charges and complaint don't come from the cops. Please pay up. Thnx
When a restaurant is busy, guess what ? Food takes a while to come out ! That has NOTHING to do with the server , got that ? I do wish that all the snobs who love to blame innocent peons as an excuse to save money could be held to that same standard at their own jobs !
I believe all legal work in California and some other states requires paying all workers minimum wage. I don't think tipping should happen in these states since workers already get minimum wage like workers at a fastfood place
@dohenry3000 Even states with minimum wage laws have different wages for jobs that tip, like waitressing. A waitress can be paid much below the min. wage in the state, b/c it is a tip job, and that is supposed t2o make up the difference. But it doesn't unless it's a strip club. She's wrong about tipping next time, and should either get a further punitive settlement out of court from the owner, or take the owner t2o civil court big time. FIGHT THE POWER!
@clmabry Hey, who are you? I need $10k! Answer: just doing their job, same as arresting a flag burner and leaving it for the Supreme Court t2o decide if it's a lawful act or not. Not their job. No evil here. Being advertised (lawful or not) a gratuity is due for parties of s6ix or more, the falsely accused evil cops were just doing their jobs. Okay. I am reading t2o collect right now. Leave me a message at my channel page. I'm not kidding. You promised.
@Phil1stalk A gratuity by definition is voluntary. If the restaurant has added a service charge to the bill then the police would have been justified.
@clmabry Pay up! You asked about the legal justification of the cops! I told you why, and gave you an example of 'evil' cops arresting a flag burner, who also isn't a criminal due t2o his 1st amendment defense. The cops arrest him anyway. If you asked for the legal justification of the courts, I would have gave you an answer for that (i.e., the patrons can negotiate or refuse t2o pay). Cops ain't the courts. Cops arrest, courts decide. Sometimes, many courts. You may contact me at my Channel.
@clmabry True. Burning a flag is a crime that does not exit under the 1st amendment. The courts will decide this, and it'll all come out in the wash. Cops aren't being paid t2o be lawyers. Or they'd be asking t2o be paid a whole lot more for going t2o law school. Cops aren't judges. Police departments arent' courts. The city prosceutor (a lawyer) will look at the complaint and charges the police were called out for and probably drop the charges. Stop blowing smoke up our asses. Pay up, please.
@clmabry You don't know the job of a cop. And you evidently don't know that in the US, the term 'service charge', is viewed by the courts the same as, autograt (i.e, auto-TIP, for service). So, no, your use of the term is incorrect and doesn't justifiy or unjustify anything by the police if it was used. I gave you the cops simple job. The article said, "it is doubtful that the charges will hold up in front of a judge". That's how the world turns. Cops aren't the courts. Please pay up, thank you.
@clmabry Y'know, calling the cops 'evil', or 'idiots', shows a lack of common, decent R-E-S-P-E-C-T. It is cop bashing. My dad was a cop and I'm being really nice t2o you, giving you a chance t2o redeem your promise. I gave you the legal justification of the cops actions, as you asked. You did not ask for the legal justification of the management's complaint (i.e., charges) by which the police were called and involved. $3.5K, that's as low as I'm going. Contact me at my Channel. Thank you, sir.
I would love to see the people who don't want to tip actually wait on some tables. Let me guess you have never served before, right? Try serving 20-100 people at a time for a period of 5 to 12 hrs. Most places have the 6 people or more Grad. because it is difficult and people are cheap. Just a reminder: I the server apologizes for there mistakes maybe you should show some understanding. BE KIND MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!
Maybe bars should stop calling it a TIP and start calling it a service fee for legal reasons. The other option is actually have employers pay bartenders and waiters the Federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) instead of $2.13 per hour + tips. This will increase prices 25 to 30% and scare away people who don't tip.
@MsJojoHunter Standard, hell! That couple was wronged by the restaurant and the law! They are entitled to better, and they are entitled to apologies! And before you come back with something along the lines of, "You don't know what you're talking about," my last 3 jobs were in food service, so yes, I fucking do!
I hope the owner and waiters of this establishment get's investigated by the IRS for tax evasion. If you are required to pay a tip as a customer, the IRS should tax the employee!
This is sleezy by the waiter, and I hope the waiter goes to jail for tax evasion, and gets sued by the couple.
@td84 the waiter does have to pay taxes on their tips. after every shift you are required to enter the amount in tips that you earned and it is taxed. it's not free money, you typically get a salary of 2.30 an hour and what ever you get in tips is your "real" pay. it's not sleezy for a person to demand payment for services rendered.
It seems that the most important thing is whether the gratuity is stated upfront on the menu. If so, it seems that given that there is a implied (or explicit) contract, the couple is required to pay up no matter what. Otherwise, I believe that it would be fair to dispute it and refuse to pay.
This is outrageous you Americans get stung with ridiculous tips even for poor service I was "MUGGED" at a Chinese restaurant on international drive in Florida a few years ago service was very poor tip was 25%, but why should the staff give good service if they know they are getting 25% regardless of what service they give
I don't agree at all with mandatory tipping. However, the idea of "good service" is entirely subjective. The bar has a policy of adding a gratuity in the form of a service charge. By not paying the service charge these kids technically commited theft of services. If they didn't like the idea of paying a mandatory gratuity, they should have chose not to dine there. What pisses me off even more is the lazy judge who dismissed this case without adequately checking legal precedents which support it.
@clmabry I agree. I should have chosen my words better. What I'm saying is that there is a difference between a gratuity and a service charge. It all comes down to the language. If an establishment posts that there is a service charge for any specific reason, then you as a patron are obligated to pay it for services rendered. Or you can choose to go someplace else. If they post "gratuity" instead of "service charge", you aren't obligated to pay since the definition of gratuity is voluntary gift.
@jboyko3 Wrong, boyks! The term service charge is viewed by the courts the same as an autograt. Stop splitting hairs. This ain't a big thing. Just a curiosity on YouTube. It's something that doesn't happen often over something like this. No one is going t2o prison. No one is losing their rights. Not them or you and me. Nothing is happening here except a lot of people who are being inconvenienced and having their time wasted. The excitments over. Everybody went home. Period.
What most of you selfish diner-outers don't understand is that HAPPY HOUR is a happy time for you BUT, it's HELL for the server you know why? Because the fuckin place gets stormed with fat ass selfish cheap and needy people so quality of service is inevitably going to suffer with all you hogs clogging up the server's time with you unimportant wants. And the second you don't get a refill you exaggerate and say that you got no service whatsoever?? Hah! How retarded are you?!?
@christianluna As a former bartender myself, I don't necessarily agree that happy hour is hell - I've had some of my best times behind the bar working happy hours with my regulars. However, I COMPLETELY agree that the sob story these two jailbirds are feeding everyone is likely laced with a hearty amount of bullshit - they're clearly the type who "received AWFUL service" simply because they had to wait for a refill. They're really quite sickening.
@mcnuggetssmcnuggetss Well, they ARE real criminals. Are they quite as harmful as child molestors? Of course not, but the fact remains that they stole from a working-class employee at her job - and got away with it!
@mcnuggetssmcnuggetss, you're right, it was a gratuity. The fact that it doesn't hold up in court doesn't make it any less criminal. These privileged asswipes still made a conscious attempt to steal.
People that go to happy hour ESPECIALLY should all be required to pay an 18% gratuity because they are all cheap for showing up for happy hour in the first place. Think about it, if people show up to a restaurant only when prices are reduced how do you think their views on tipping are gonna be.
@christianluna Then don't work at a place that has a happy hour. You signed the work contract explaining your pay and minimum job duties, so you waived your right to complain except in the event of egregiously extenuating circumstances.
A tip is supposed to be just that, a gift to the waiter / waitress for doing a good job and making sure you had a pleasant stay. If they don't make you happy then they don't get a tip, end of story. If they want to be idiots and not give good service then they should change professions and get a job that doesn't pull most of its income from tips. Why tip if you aren't happy with the service?
People in this country have too much of a sense of entitlement, like they should get things no matter what, like big tips. Really, 18% for no service?
Also, mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron. That's like saying tiny giant.
@AnotherSchmoe Hey fuck you! I'm a server and it's an unwritten rule to at least tip 10% as that is mandated on what we have to claim at the end of the night.
@jimithejoker09 It's mandated to YOU that you'll be taxed 10% by the federal government, but it is not mandated to the customer. If tipping were mandatory, it would be law. Instead of letting the system keep you brainwashed into thinking that customers are responsible for paying your rent, why don't you blame the one responsible for paying you a livable wage....your boss? Then again, you signed the work contract acknowledging you'd be paid pittance and depend on non-required gratuities.
@MelkorHimself There is no law stating that a business such as a bar cannot add a fee for services rendered. Nobody forced these kids to pay a service charge because nobody forced them to choose to eat at this particular establishment. They did commit theft of services for not paying the full bill. places that charge a percentage of the bill for tips have it posted. In the same respect, if a person is unhappy working a thankless, pride swallowing job like waiting tables, they can choose to quit.
@jboyko3 However, if you research a case in NY where the customer refused to pay the 18% gratuity for a party of 6+ and only paid 10%, the court upheld the notion that gratuities are always voluntary. This precedent was used to drop the charges against this couple. Though a business can add these service charges, they can still be disputed since they are gratuities.
@MelkorHimself It depends entirely on the language used when incurring the expense. If a business loses a case like this, it's usually because of the language.
Example: Gratuity = Voluntary. Thus cannot be forced onto the consumer.
However the definition of a service charge is a fee in which a business imposes to cover the cost of wages, overhead, and markup. And is 100% legal for a restaurant or bar to transfer onto the consumer. A service charge doesn't go to the server. It goes to the owner
So the cost for this pub to lose its reputation was 18 dollars? Wow thats pretty pathetic... Now they will be known as the pub that forces customers to pay a tip or else get arrested.. I am sure the waitresses that work there are a bunch of lazy sacks of Sh$t that wont even try cause their tip is now guranteed...lol There are plenty of other places to eat and if i owned a pub nearby i would so capitalize on this haha and be the nice place to eat where your not forced to pay for bad service!
Cheap Assholes. What's worth more ? Your integrity and not ending up as the face of non-tipper scum of the earth pieces of shit. Or just shutting the fuck up and paying the gratuity to the waitress making $3 an hour. Idiots.
@DasGiggler The U.S. is broke as a nation. Restaurant owners are too cheap to pay their servers minimum wage, so the citizens are forced to make up the difference. In my opinion, it would be better if they just got minimum wage.
"Mandatory Gratuity" is a form of WELFARE! You don't have a choice on giving them a tip or not. Its not society's job to pay servers, its the employers job to pay them. This is so wrong on so many different levels. What motivation do servers have to make their customers happy if they are getting a "mandatory gratuity?" Second of all, society shouldn't have to make up the difference in a servers pay because the federal government is not doing their jobs.The LAW ALLOWS servers to only make $3/hour
@LutzfromPS2 This isn't like welfare. 1, these people work. 2, it's not like a percentage of your income is forcibly garnished by the state in order to cover the supplemental income of a person you've never met. How exactly are you being "forced" to pay a tip? Where is it written that you HAVE to dine out? I'm seeing people on here talking down to waiters, waitresses, bartenders, etc like they should be thankful for serving an ungrateful public. Sense of entitlement? Take a look in the mirror...
@jboyko3 Restaurants were present much longer before the federal government imposed the tip credit in the FLSA. They did it because tipped employees as a whole were dishonest on their taxes. Therefore, the government decided that, if these employees were going to withhold more tax revenue by not claiming all their tips, then there is no reason why they should earn more direct wages. Don't blame the customers for something they don't control. They come to eat the restaurant's food and that's it.
@MelkorHimself I apologize if I came off a little brash in my post. The point I was making was that dining out is a luxury expense. I'm not blaming customers for something they can't control. I'm pointing out the fact that they can choose to eat at home. Then they can set the table, prepare the food, and clean up the mess afterward themselves. And not worry about the added cost of having someone else do it for them. A service charge isn't a gratuity. It is the owners to do with what he pleases.
"I had to go to bar to refill my drinks..." - really? did u see waiters standing around and skratching their bullocks while u were doing that or were they just to busy to atur table? People who never worked hard and are usually shit at their own job tend to complain more and are more damanding than others. As far as I 'm concerned, those customers can f... themseves!
wojtassini81 1 day ago
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You are not entitled to a tip. I wouldn't tip you just to see your indignant reaction.
MegaChairmanMao 1 day ago
Continued from below: At the end of the day I just made 30 or 40 dollars an hour, have 100 to 300 dollars in my pocket and averaged 20 percent even with cheap ass tippers. Why? Because I'm damn good at what I do and I don't work in a shitty restaurant. (I don't work in fine dining either.) My job puts 18 percent on parties of 8 or more, but if I had a choice I would rather take my chances.
daijoubu510 3 days ago
I've been a waiter for many years. I have to say if a waiter gets really upset because of lousy tippers there are three possible reasons. First, they are a bad server. Second, they work in a bad restaurant or part of town. Third, they are new to serving and are parroting more experienced servers who fall into category one or two. Do I bitch about shitty tips? Of course I do, to another waiter in the heat of the moment and then I'm over it.
daijoubu510 3 days ago
Tips are unfair for the customer. The employer should pay the servers well and end this ridicules habit.
odd0odium 6 days ago
fuck it........hog & jog!
suckmycod 1 week ago
Cheap bastards. If you have an issue with the service, talk to the Manager. When you refuse a tip, you don't screw over one server. You screw over a whole bunch of people because at the end of their shift they tip out others!
jealeman 1 week ago
it's mandatory, so what the fuck?
kosmosleha 1 week ago
Just pay your tips, cheap assholes!
mikebaez31 1 week ago
What they are not saying is that it was on a weekend night (means food will take longer as the place gets slammed.). Also that they did not order right away. The server does not cook the food. They have gratuity added to larger parties because they consume more of the servers time and their ability to make more tips by having more tables. It probably stated on the menu that it was their policy to add a gratuity to larger parties. They have obviously never waited a table in their lives. Try McD's
TxWarmachine 1 week ago
all u cheap fuckers stfu and suck cock pay ur tip
MrRezzyfly 1 week ago
"Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones."
jnava1776 2 weeks ago
GO FUCK YOURSELF COLLEGE KIDS!!
halwahma 2 weeks ago
Stiffing the server is NOT the way to deal with this problem! Paying the tip is just like paying tax--manditory!
In other countries (where tips are not EARNED) meals are more expensive so the establishment can pay the servers directly. In the UNITED STATES a tip is EXPECTED, similar to EXPECTING to paying tax!
So...if you want to eat out in the United States remember to budget for the tip!
TheGoodperson555 2 weeks ago
@TheGoodperson555 Are you kidding me?
You can not compare tax and tips. Tips are voluntary based on your satisfaction. They are expected by the servers and other staff, but they are NEVER mandatory. Tax is mandatory as indicated by federal law.
figarovancouver 5 days ago
Tips are earned not expected.
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LeviathAileron 2 weeks ago
@LeviathAileron In other countries (where tips are not EARNED) meals are more expensive so the establishment can pay the servers directly. In the UNITED STATES a tip is EXPECTED, similar to EXPECTING to paying tax!
TheGoodperson555 2 weeks ago
@TheGoodperson555 Other countries are not relevant to this video/conversation. Also like I said; tips are earned not expected, no amount of capital letters will change that. There is no law that states we have to tip in fact it is quite the opposite. State laws are different, where I'm from it is illegal to solicit tips or charge gratuity fee unless it is a large party.
So no, it is not like paying tax as tax is required by law in most states; demanding tips is quite illegal.
LeviathAileron 6 days ago
BEGGARS DRESSED UP AS WAITERS = CURRENT SOCIETAL SERVERS
ReverseVortex 2 weeks ago
@ReverseVortex Incorrect.
nekkidandrew 1 week ago
I'm a server for the Hilton Hotel and I don't think people comprehend that we make less then half of minimum wage. Big parties are difficult to take care of especially when you have other tables. Honestly, I will always tip 15 percent no matter WHAT. If you can't afford to tip, than you can't afford to eat out.
princessclarissa92 3 weeks ago 5
I was a waiter for 4 years in college. From all of their complaints, only the refill of drinks reflects on the server. People need to distinguish the difference between a server and that of a busser, and a chef. You waited 1 hr for your food... That's more times than not the kitchens fault, not the server's. You didn't have silverware on your table... That's probably the busser's fault, not the server's. If I was their server, I'd want her and her over-weight, balding boyfriend out as ASAP.
detox8388 3 weeks ago 7
Oh wow, I live right by this place. Crazy haha.
Sallyallie89 3 weeks ago
there were 6 or more of u anyways idiots, pay the gratuity you cheap bastards im sure it was only %15-%18. thats gross that you would try to leave without tipping, service was good or bad you still were served by someone. tip or stay at home or order togo or fast food freakS!
hellojzkitty 3 weeks ago
good or bad service.....always leave a good tip......or make your own food....
bradytorg1 3 weeks ago
@bradytorg1 You pay for the food that is served by the restaurant. Restaurant pays the servers and other staff to serve the customers and prepare the food. Tips are exactly that, tips for the service well done, if you feel it is deserved.
figarovancouver 5 days ago
@figarovancouver @TheGoodperson555 Clearly you've never worked in a resturant, or you dont live in america. Servers get paid 2.00 an hour, which is usually taxed and amounts to nothing. They also have to pay the bartender and busser, even if no tip is left. By not tipping the server pays to serve you. If the company policy states that a tip is mandatory, they should be held responsible to pay it. If you cant afford a 20% tip please do the world a favor and stay at home.
lyniseloveschipper 5 days ago
I'm glad they got arrested. Cheapos. "I had to get silverware and napkins!! ETC." Who gives a shit? Show some class, pay the tip!
DonnieBrothers 1 month ago
They should get life in prison!
ranoosha1210 1 month ago
Gratutity is different from tipping, if you have six or more people you required to pay it good or bad service.
flc2009 1 month ago
gratuity 1. (Business / Commerce) a gift or reward, usually of money, for services rendered; tip
2. something given without claim or obligation
3. (Military) Military a financial award granted for long or meritorious service
Nowhere in that accepted English definition does it say that it is required or legally binding. The restaurant have no legal leg to stand on if people don't pay. I think the cops were also in the wrong. An invoice for services is a civil matter, not criminal.
hpiguy 1 month ago 2
DAM WAITER AND WAITRESS CRY ALL OVER ABOUT NOT BEING PAID ENOUGH LIKE TEACHERS. Get another job if u think u aint getting paid good... stop expecting for something that is not required. whats the difference between u and a dam beggar now? sheit.
ReverseVortex 1 month ago
@ReverseVortex Beggars don't have to deal with people like you =D
TruthMovement330 1 month ago
@ReverseVortex The difference would be that a server works for his or her money. A beggar does not - hence why they "beg" for it instead of offering a valuable service for it. In other words: it's in the name, dipshit, please don't post things until you've at least graduated junior high.
nekkidandrew 3 weeks ago
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@nekkidandrew You're right. A server is worse than a begger. I have never been offered service by a waiter, it's always forced on you. A begger on the other hand is much more honest about it. A waiter is mor elike the guy who smears you windshield with an old news papaer at a stop light and then holds his hand out. It's really not a valuble in any way either. I'd much rather spend the 90 seconds getting my own food than pay $10 to a moron cunt for it.
ped200014 1 week ago
To everyone who doesn't tip you sir are actually stealing from the server. The server is already in the hole when you sit down to eat. There is a thing called tipshare. That is usually at least 3%. Sometimes more. So on a $100 dollar bill it costs the server $3.00 to serve you. The reason gratuity is added to six or more is because the bills are usually over $200. That would cost $6.00 to serve a group of six. Knowing that 70% of the population does not tip well at all.
TheAcousticats1 1 month ago 3
In Malaysia, tipping is almost unheard of. Restaurant's here make good money and workers are fairly paid.
TheRiyadh95 2 months ago
I think its better to raise the prices of food, and to give staff better wages, than to make people tip...... food is a bit pricy in Austraila, but however its optional to tip
MrChowTheTroll 2 months ago
fuck tipping
edwardd6681 2 months ago
@edwardd6681 I love thinking about how much spit you've tasted. How many pieces of food you've eaten off the floor. Maybe a lil sneeze on top for that extra zing. You don't think we remember you people? Jokes on you. And you'd never even know it.
TruthMovement330 1 month ago
@TruthMovement330 who said I go out to eat?
edwardd6681 1 month ago
The sad thing is these waitresses make 2$ an hour under the "right to work law" and if service is bad 99% its not their fault its problems w/ the kitchen or mgmt.
123NateDee 2 months ago
The reason gratuities are necessary is obvious and complaining about gratuity is illogical.
Your paying $25.00 for an ENTREE!
If you can't afford to tip 20% on a $200.00 bill for good service than don't pay $200.00 for a single meal.
Come dinner time, everybody's Jewish. Then you have to wear the silly little hat, sir. YOU HAVE TO WEAR THE SILLY LITTLE HAT!!!!
emugrogan 2 months ago
Wow!!! That's amazing who'd of thought this could happen?
Only in America!
Look after employees, treat them well and pay them a decent salary/wage.
Then this will ensure a happy staff and of course this will end up with happy customers.
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thejohnnybaxley 3 months ago
FUCK GRATUNITY
edwardd6681 3 months ago
@kristalblair there is no way in HELL they could pay servers a decent salary and do away with tipping without raising menu prices... the menu prices are what they are BECAUSE of the tipping system. if you don't want to tip, then expect to pay more for your food. either way, you end up paying the server!
AshyMishyMashy 3 months ago
As a waiter myself, I don't believe people understand the TIP is our wage. I do agree bad service deserves a bad tip, I've dealt with a lot of people who don't tip just because of nothing. From literally running around for them, using my phone, etc. and not leaving me a tip is wrong. Being a waiter is much more to the eye, we're only human.
EOSTelevision 3 months ago
The owner claims that the manager offered comp the meal???? Then why call the cops for not paying the tip??? Sounds like a lawsuit to me.
cudaphil 3 months ago
Gratuity policies are policies and people need to understand that. Most restaurants have a HUGE sign posted that states it. But then again, I understand people who can't even read are getting into colleges these days...
milkjamjuice 3 months ago
@milkjamjuice - That's true, but I think gratuity policies are absolute BS. I know that sometimes a staff busts ass to service a big group of people, only to be stiffed in the end. It's not right, but NO one should HAVE to pay a tip. If the service is great, then yes tip, if not, don't. I've been yelled at for this when I took my friends out, but you know what, the service was LOUSY. Over 90 minutes for 15 minute prep finger food & drinks? Don't think so. Be mad, I'm not tipping for that.
BitCrasher99 3 months ago
@BitCrasher99 a tip isn't "a little something extra" that is thrown in as a treat. you pay servers tips because you are paying for a service. you wouldn't hire a private chef to come to your house and cook for you and expect that you only have to pay for the food, you would have to pay the chef for performing a service for you as well... that is EXACTLY like a server in a restaurant. a server doesn't get paid by the restaurant (this helps keep the food prices lower). YOU pay for their service.
AshyMishyMashy 3 months ago
@BitCrasher99 I like the way you put that. I think gratuity should be included on all checks.
thejohnnybaxley 3 months ago
@BitCrasher99 and with your exact situation... when the food is taking a long time to get to the table, it's not necessarily the fault of the server. the kitchen could be having problems or could be backed up with orders... especially if it's busy, you should expect your food will take longer, because orders are cooked as they are recieved... not in order of what takes the shortest amount of times. if there is a bartender, the server has to wait for the bartender to prepare the drinks etc...
AshyMishyMashy 3 months ago
a good server should notice when the food is taking longer than expected, and then apologize to the guest and explain why the food or drinks are taking a long time... its hard to understand how these things work if youve never worked in a restaurant, especially a very busy restaurant...
AshyMishyMashy 3 months ago
@milkjamjuice good point... if you don't like the gratuity policey, don't dine in that restaurant! there's no law about tipping, so if a restaurant chooses to include it on the bill, that is their perogitive. they are charging for a service, if there was a problem with the service throughout the meal, then they should have asked to speak with a manager long BEFORE the check was even brought to the the table. notice how THAT was never mentioned
AshyMishyMashy 3 months ago
@AshyMishyMashy - All valid points, and I understand how restaurants and services where tipping is involved work. All I'm saying is that the server should be notifying you if the order will take longer, keep drinks full, check in to ensure everything is good after food is delivered, and be as fast and accommodating as they can. They do that for me, I tip generously. Service is a crappy industry, and I give kudos to those who do it well. I think their wages should reflect this, tipping or no.
BitCrasher99 3 months ago
@AshyMishyMashy - And I agree alsothat they SHOULD have said something to management about their meal if it wasn't up to par or the server wasn't doing their job. Servers are busy people and they can't see everything all the time. If something was wrong with their meal, they should have said something. If the problem was the server themselves, they should have spoken to management.
BitCrasher99 3 months ago
AWESOME
wareagle843 3 months ago
hahaha... YES justice is severed!
MackkMama 3 months ago
18% is mandatory in most restaurants for parties 6 or over. Sometimes it's 8 or over. If you don't like it, don't bring that many people out to eat.
Shannonwriter 3 months ago
@kristalblair I've made the same response or similar as a voice to pose that question. Why do these people let the government treat them as low class citizens, they should get minimum wage. If you tip a server in a restuarant why not the guy that puts your order together at the car supply store, the guy that teaches your first aid course. Its a screwed up system. Just voicing my right to free speech like any other.
wcresponder 3 months ago
@kristalblair your obviously at the top of your mensa group. And no I'm not stupid,
wcresponder 3 months ago
@kristalblair i don't expect to be treated like royalty. just do your job and get me my food. bring it on time and correctly.. do that and i'll pay the full 100% of the bill + tax.
torontothegood 3 months ago
@kristalblair really? that's quite mean-spirited of you to say.
in return, kristalblair, i wish you and your family happiness and prosperity. shalom!
torontothegood 3 months ago
The moral of the story, is NEVER EVER go to a restaurant that has mandatory gratuity.
digmatology 4 months ago
@digmatology yes please go to taco bell
wareagle843 3 months ago
@digmatology yes please go to taco bell
wareagle843 3 months ago
@AudienceLastClapper damn! that pub got PWNED! ... they certainly didn't GAIN business because of this publicity.
torontothegood 4 months ago
@torontothegood Actually, it's a bar's dream to become an industry mecca. This kind of publicity attracts all the right clientele.
joniejones9 3 months ago
@joniejones9 ? the clientele that is seekin lousy service? LOL. LOL. ... just bring me my food n drinks and stop begging for tips.
torontothegood 3 months ago
i never fuckin' tip... but in this case .. the couple went with a group of 6 and the restaurant clearly stated there is a 'surcharge' of 18% for groups of 6 or more. they knew that going in so they MUST pay it.
torontothegood 4 months ago
FUCK TIPPING AND TIPPING NAZI'S
edwardd6681 4 months ago
OK...the mandatory gratuity is ONLY put on parties of 6 or more, in all restaurants I have worked in it is 8 or more, but the point is, if a server is all tied up with a huge table...getting all of their drinks, appetizers, meals, desserts...they are LOSING out on other tables! Therefore, they get a mandatory 18% because if this big table is full of cheap asses, they get tipped anyway!! Bottom line...you should have to WORK in a restaurant before you are allowed to eat in one. Period.
mistyrx2 4 months ago 5
OK...the mandatory gratuity is ONLY put on parties of 6 or more, in all restaurants I have worked in it is 8 or more, but the point is, if a server is all tied up with a huge table...getting all of their drinks, appetizers, meals, desserts...they are LOSING out on other tables! Therefore, they get a mandatory 18% because if this big table is full of cheap asses, they get tipped anyway!! Bottom line...you should have to WORK in a restaurant before you are allowed to eat in one. Period.
mistyrx2 4 months ago
take ur broke asses to mcdonalds
PystolPete103 5 months ago
If you receive poor service, the tip should be at your discretion. However, as a waiter, if your service is good or excellent tip accordingly. If you don't feel paying for service is your responsibility, just inform your server PRIOR to ordering so we can ignore you, lose your order, and rush you out so we can earn a living wage.
woodcraft1016 5 months ago
*If you can pay for food, and cant pay for service. Go to McDonalds or Burger King and have it your way !!!
X^)
EngleSackJus 5 months ago
how about paying workers a decent wage instead of them hoping for the generosity of customers. Do not give tips here in Australia as workers receive decent wages...
MrRaibyn 5 months ago 19
@MrRaibyn Then what ensures prompt service?
JJMillertime 5 months ago
@MrRaibyn whats the incentive to give good service than?
nggaplz 3 months ago
@MrRaibyn American waiters make more money, if we don't make minimum wage in tips we get minimum wage. My friend made 18 grand in one summer working a single waitressing job. I don't make as much, but i'm a good waiter and Americans are generous. I like Aussies too, Arabs, Indians, Asians, and French people are rude and give shit tips.
MickyG4444 1 week ago
why are you suppose to tip? really why in this contract of payment for food should there be an additional charge? you don't tip at fast food resturants.
wcresponder 5 months ago
@wcresponder people who work at fast food restaurants get paid at least minimum wage. waiters get paid between 2.25 and 3.50 an hour because the restaurant assumes they will get tips. The tips are estimated, and the waiter gets taxed on them, whether you tipped or not.
you are ignorant and cheap..
slickter12 5 months ago
@slickter12 so because your country has a screwed pay system the customer should be forced to foot extra money, no wonder the US is in so much financial trouble. Then you go around insulting others for commenting, Shameful.
wcresponder 5 months ago
why are you suppose to tip? really why in this contract of payment for food should there be an additional charge?
wcresponder 5 months ago
NO service=NO tip
HKUK94 6 months ago 15
she just nullfied everything by saying next time she will pay. If you go next time I wont then next time it will happen.
Ryukikon 6 months ago
If it's on the menu, it's a fixed, legal charge, no different than the prices for their food items. It's their restaurant, and they can charge what they want. They should call it a "service charge" instead, though.
DeviousLaura 7 months ago
Fight for your freedom! Do not tip!
gtairr 7 months ago
@gtairr Then all you would have is fast food restaurants.
JJMillertime 5 months ago
i had a bad experience at apple bees with this gratuity BS. NO WHERE, ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE is it legal to make you pay tip. thats complete shit if you get arrested. i dont see as to how the cop even arrested them. but at the bottom of the bill they put 18%. are you fucking crazy? for what. to bring me a plate? and the service wasnt that good. i left him half because the guy was nice. but no $15 wasnt enough for him. anyone who thinks they should pay someone $20 to bring them 5 plates is CRAZY
pcigroot 7 months ago
@pcigroot correction. they wanted $30 for the tip. to bring me 5 cold plates of decent food. just plain outrageous
pcigroot 7 months ago
I've always been a great tipper and not sure I have ever held back from tipping the minimum. I've always tipped over 30% and a lot of times much more than that, depends. I have never even thought of not leaving a tip but this mandatory bullshit sure makes me think that way.
What's next? They going to tell me what to eat to?
Danbo342 7 months ago
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Tip (aka Gratuity) defined as:
1.a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip.
2. something given without claim or obligation
A mandatory tip = oxymoron
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TheJosh1111111111111 8 months ago
@AudienceLastClapper I, for one, intend to frequent this pub next time I'm in the area. An establishment that has the balls to actually fight for what's right has my vote. Next time I'm near Bethlehem, you bet your ass I'm stopping here for lunch. And I'll tip generously, too.
nekkidandrew 8 months ago
Tip bitch!!!!!
MrTeagarden 9 months ago
IF YOU FUCKING EAT OUT--YOU FUCKING TIP. FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUDGE THE SERVICE UNLESS YOU HAVE SERVED BEFORE AND UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU ARE IN. FOR WHEN MOST PEOPLE SAY THEY GOT "AWFUL SERVICE" THEY SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THE REST SIMPLY JUST SAY THAT. THATS ALL. PEOPLE JUST CALL ALL SERVICE HORRIBLE TO GET AWAY WITH NOT TIPPING. ESPECIALLY THE STEROTYPES. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
SuperSam424 9 months ago
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"IF YOU FUCKING EAT OUT--YOU FUCKING TIP"
Stop typing in caps, idiot.
Also, your statement is false. A tip is something you give someone who provides you with above and beyond the service they are providing. If they fail to meet that standard then they deserve no tip.
Tip (aka Gratuity) defined as:
1.a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip.
2. something given without claim or obligation
A mandatory tip = oxymoron
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igotsachubby 8 months ago 2
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"FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUDGE THE SERVICE UNLESS YOU HAVE SERVED BEFORE AND UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU ARE IN."
Also a false and stupid statement. You do not have to know what serving is like in order to judge it.
For example, someone who eats out frequently is served frequently (bad and good); therefore, they know what good and bad service is, and can respond with an appropriate tip.
*I'm studying to become a medical doctor, when I save a life, where is my tip?
igotsachubby 8 months ago
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tipzero 9 months ago
Okay, I'll assume you made a syntax error, and you meant t2o say, the actions of the restaurant, and not the cops. I'll take $5K, instead. Please contact me at my Channel, thank you.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
Hey look, if you had a neighbor working on your car, and he called the police on you, telling them, you were trespassing on his property, not paying your service bill, and it none of it was true, the cops will arrive, walk over t2o investigate you, and you can still find yourself in handcuffs wondering what the funk is going on, until the facts and the scene are sorted out in the field, in real time. The cops were legally justified in handling the restaurant's complaint. The courts will decide.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
It appears you think the charges are coming from the police, when the charges have been brought against the patrons by the restaurant management. So again, the cops were legally justified in serving the alleged charges of the restaurant complaint against the alleged patrons. It's civil, it's legally justified action by the 'evil' cops, and everyo1ne has their day in court. But the cops won't be charged with false arrest, b/c the charges and complaint don't come from the cops. Please pay up. Thnx
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
When a restaurant is busy, guess what ? Food takes a while to come out ! That has NOTHING to do with the server , got that ? I do wish that all the snobs who love to blame innocent peons as an excuse to save money could be held to that same standard at their own jobs !
vasp99 10 months ago
I believe all legal work in California and some other states requires paying all workers minimum wage. I don't think tipping should happen in these states since workers already get minimum wage like workers at a fastfood place
dohenry3000 10 months ago
@dohenry3000 Even states with minimum wage laws have different wages for jobs that tip, like waitressing. A waitress can be paid much below the min. wage in the state, b/c it is a tip job, and that is supposed t2o make up the difference. But it doesn't unless it's a strip club. She's wrong about tipping next time, and should either get a further punitive settlement out of court from the owner, or take the owner t2o civil court big time. FIGHT THE POWER!
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
there is no law for a tip.... wtf..
ty99999returns 11 months ago
@ty99999returns but there is one for 'service charges' or 'surcharges' .... pay up or get arrested, biotch!
torontothegood 4 months ago
I promise to give $10,000 to anyone who can give a legal justification for the actions of the evil cops.
clmabry 1 year ago
@clmabry Hey, who are you? I need $10k! Answer: just doing their job, same as arresting a flag burner and leaving it for the Supreme Court t2o decide if it's a lawful act or not. Not their job. No evil here. Being advertised (lawful or not) a gratuity is due for parties of s6ix or more, the falsely accused evil cops were just doing their jobs. Okay. I am reading t2o collect right now. Leave me a message at my channel page. I'm not kidding. You promised.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
@Phil1stalk A gratuity by definition is voluntary. If the restaurant has added a service charge to the bill then the police would have been justified.
clmabry 10 months ago
@clmabry Pay up! You asked about the legal justification of the cops! I told you why, and gave you an example of 'evil' cops arresting a flag burner, who also isn't a criminal due t2o his 1st amendment defense. The cops arrest him anyway. If you asked for the legal justification of the courts, I would have gave you an answer for that (i.e., the patrons can negotiate or refuse t2o pay). Cops ain't the courts. Cops arrest, courts decide. Sometimes, many courts. You may contact me at my Channel.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
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@Phil1stalk Police do not have the power to arrest people for a crime that does not exist.
clmabry 10 months ago
@clmabry True. Burning a flag is a crime that does not exit under the 1st amendment. The courts will decide this, and it'll all come out in the wash. Cops aren't being paid t2o be lawyers. Or they'd be asking t2o be paid a whole lot more for going t2o law school. Cops aren't judges. Police departments arent' courts. The city prosceutor (a lawyer) will look at the complaint and charges the police were called out for and probably drop the charges. Stop blowing smoke up our asses. Pay up, please.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
@clmabry You don't know the job of a cop. And you evidently don't know that in the US, the term 'service charge', is viewed by the courts the same as, autograt (i.e, auto-TIP, for service). So, no, your use of the term is incorrect and doesn't justifiy or unjustify anything by the police if it was used. I gave you the cops simple job. The article said, "it is doubtful that the charges will hold up in front of a judge". That's how the world turns. Cops aren't the courts. Please pay up, thank you.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
@clmabry Y'know, calling the cops 'evil', or 'idiots', shows a lack of common, decent R-E-S-P-E-C-T. It is cop bashing. My dad was a cop and I'm being really nice t2o you, giving you a chance t2o redeem your promise. I gave you the legal justification of the cops actions, as you asked. You did not ask for the legal justification of the management's complaint (i.e., charges) by which the police were called and involved. $3.5K, that's as low as I'm going. Contact me at my Channel. Thank you, sir.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
I would love to see the people who don't want to tip actually wait on some tables. Let me guess you have never served before, right? Try serving 20-100 people at a time for a period of 5 to 12 hrs. Most places have the 6 people or more Grad. because it is difficult and people are cheap. Just a reminder: I the server apologizes for there mistakes maybe you should show some understanding. BE KIND MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!
MsJojoHunter 1 year ago
Maybe bars should stop calling it a TIP and start calling it a service fee for legal reasons. The other option is actually have employers pay bartenders and waiters the Federal minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) instead of $2.13 per hour + tips. This will increase prices 25 to 30% and scare away people who don't tip.
akin242002 1 year ago 2
that is bs...if service is bad, u dont need to tip......thats how it works....if ppl want to be tipped...learn to wait on your tables correctly.
NYballer11725 1 year ago
I would've demanded both the restaurant and the police to apologize, and if either one refused, I would've sued them both for everything.
NinjaGhostScorpion 1 year ago
@NinjaGhostScorpion or you could have paid it because that is a service industry standard that you knew by walking in there and never went back.
MsJojoHunter 1 year ago
@MsJojoHunter Standard, hell! That couple was wronged by the restaurant and the law! They are entitled to better, and they are entitled to apologies! And before you come back with something along the lines of, "You don't know what you're talking about," my last 3 jobs were in food service, so yes, I fucking do!
NinjaGhostScorpion 1 year ago
I hope the owner and waiters of this establishment get's investigated by the IRS for tax evasion. If you are required to pay a tip as a customer, the IRS should tax the employee!
This is sleezy by the waiter, and I hope the waiter goes to jail for tax evasion, and gets sued by the couple.
td84 1 year ago
@td84 the waiter does have to pay taxes on their tips. after every shift you are required to enter the amount in tips that you earned and it is taxed. it's not free money, you typically get a salary of 2.30 an hour and what ever you get in tips is your "real" pay. it's not sleezy for a person to demand payment for services rendered.
whatitbe88 1 year ago
@td84 they do tax the employee. Let me guess who have never been in the industry
MsJojoHunter 1 year ago
what a fucking dumb slut eat shit and die hoe
colecampbell1 1 year ago
@BilliamBoy1 - Bad service = no tip. (Period.)
phreak2468 1 year ago
What crock of shit. how and the fuck is that theft. This joint has got a lot of nerve making gratuities mandatory. Bet their food tastes like shit
donr185 1 year ago
bad service= 10 percent
BilliamBoy1 1 year ago
@BilliamBoy1 bad service= nothing
why reward bad service?
figarovancouver 5 days ago
It seems that the most important thing is whether the gratuity is stated upfront on the menu. If so, it seems that given that there is a implied (or explicit) contract, the couple is required to pay up no matter what. Otherwise, I believe that it would be fair to dispute it and refuse to pay.
ageisold 1 year ago
gratuity is a GIFT, not manditory
SanguineBullet667 1 year ago
This is outrageous you Americans get stung with ridiculous tips even for poor service I was "MUGGED" at a Chinese restaurant on international drive in Florida a few years ago service was very poor tip was 25%, but why should the staff give good service if they know they are getting 25% regardless of what service they give
136miles 1 year ago
I don't agree at all with mandatory tipping. However, the idea of "good service" is entirely subjective. The bar has a policy of adding a gratuity in the form of a service charge. By not paying the service charge these kids technically commited theft of services. If they didn't like the idea of paying a mandatory gratuity, they should have chose not to dine there. What pisses me off even more is the lazy judge who dismissed this case without adequately checking legal precedents which support it.
jboyko3 1 year ago
@jboyko3 Mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron.
clmabry 10 months ago
@clmabry I agree. I should have chosen my words better. What I'm saying is that there is a difference between a gratuity and a service charge. It all comes down to the language. If an establishment posts that there is a service charge for any specific reason, then you as a patron are obligated to pay it for services rendered. Or you can choose to go someplace else. If they post "gratuity" instead of "service charge", you aren't obligated to pay since the definition of gratuity is voluntary gift.
jboyko3 10 months ago
@jboyko3 Wrong, boyks! The term service charge is viewed by the courts the same as an autograt. Stop splitting hairs. This ain't a big thing. Just a curiosity on YouTube. It's something that doesn't happen often over something like this. No one is going t2o prison. No one is losing their rights. Not them or you and me. Nothing is happening here except a lot of people who are being inconvenienced and having their time wasted. The excitments over. Everybody went home. Period.
Phil1stalk 10 months ago
What most of you selfish diner-outers don't understand is that HAPPY HOUR is a happy time for you BUT, it's HELL for the server you know why? Because the fuckin place gets stormed with fat ass selfish cheap and needy people so quality of service is inevitably going to suffer with all you hogs clogging up the server's time with you unimportant wants. And the second you don't get a refill you exaggerate and say that you got no service whatsoever?? Hah! How retarded are you?!?
christianluna 1 year ago
@christianluna As a former bartender myself, I don't necessarily agree that happy hour is hell - I've had some of my best times behind the bar working happy hours with my regulars. However, I COMPLETELY agree that the sob story these two jailbirds are feeding everyone is likely laced with a hearty amount of bullshit - they're clearly the type who "received AWFUL service" simply because they had to wait for a refill. They're really quite sickening.
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
@nekkidandrew
Jailbirds? Let the real criminals like the child molestors seat in jail not these two non-tippers.
mcnuggetssmcnuggetss 1 year ago
@mcnuggetssmcnuggetss Well, they ARE real criminals. Are they quite as harmful as child molestors? Of course not, but the fact remains that they stole from a working-class employee at her job - and got away with it!
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
@nekkidandrew
Of course they got away with it becuase it was a Gratuity not a required fee.
mcnuggetssmcnuggetss 1 year ago
@mcnuggetssmcnuggetss, you're right, it was a gratuity. The fact that it doesn't hold up in court doesn't make it any less criminal. These privileged asswipes still made a conscious attempt to steal.
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
People that go to happy hour ESPECIALLY should all be required to pay an 18% gratuity because they are all cheap for showing up for happy hour in the first place. Think about it, if people show up to a restaurant only when prices are reduced how do you think their views on tipping are gonna be.
christianluna 1 year ago
@christianluna Then don't work at a place that has a happy hour. You signed the work contract explaining your pay and minimum job duties, so you waived your right to complain except in the event of egregiously extenuating circumstances.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
A tip is supposed to be just that, a gift to the waiter / waitress for doing a good job and making sure you had a pleasant stay. If they don't make you happy then they don't get a tip, end of story. If they want to be idiots and not give good service then they should change professions and get a job that doesn't pull most of its income from tips. Why tip if you aren't happy with the service?
AnotherSchmoe 1 year ago
People in this country have too much of a sense of entitlement, like they should get things no matter what, like big tips. Really, 18% for no service?
Also, mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron. That's like saying tiny giant.
AnotherSchmoe 1 year ago 2
@AnotherSchmoe Hey fuck you! I'm a server and it's an unwritten rule to at least tip 10% as that is mandated on what we have to claim at the end of the night.
jimithejoker09 1 year ago
@jimithejoker09 It's mandated to YOU that you'll be taxed 10% by the federal government, but it is not mandated to the customer. If tipping were mandatory, it would be law. Instead of letting the system keep you brainwashed into thinking that customers are responsible for paying your rent, why don't you blame the one responsible for paying you a livable wage....your boss? Then again, you signed the work contract acknowledging you'd be paid pittance and depend on non-required gratuities.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself There is no law stating that a business such as a bar cannot add a fee for services rendered. Nobody forced these kids to pay a service charge because nobody forced them to choose to eat at this particular establishment. They did commit theft of services for not paying the full bill. places that charge a percentage of the bill for tips have it posted. In the same respect, if a person is unhappy working a thankless, pride swallowing job like waiting tables, they can choose to quit.
jboyko3 1 year ago
@jboyko3 However, if you research a case in NY where the customer refused to pay the 18% gratuity for a party of 6+ and only paid 10%, the court upheld the notion that gratuities are always voluntary. This precedent was used to drop the charges against this couple. Though a business can add these service charges, they can still be disputed since they are gratuities.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself It depends entirely on the language used when incurring the expense. If a business loses a case like this, it's usually because of the language.
Example: Gratuity = Voluntary. Thus cannot be forced onto the consumer.
However the definition of a service charge is a fee in which a business imposes to cover the cost of wages, overhead, and markup. And is 100% legal for a restaurant or bar to transfer onto the consumer. A service charge doesn't go to the server. It goes to the owner
jboyko3 1 year ago
@jboyko3 By definition tips are voluntary and customers are not required to pay them.
clmabry 10 months ago
So the cost for this pub to lose its reputation was 18 dollars? Wow thats pretty pathetic... Now they will be known as the pub that forces customers to pay a tip or else get arrested.. I am sure the waitresses that work there are a bunch of lazy sacks of Sh$t that wont even try cause their tip is now guranteed...lol There are plenty of other places to eat and if i owned a pub nearby i would so capitalize on this haha and be the nice place to eat where your not forced to pay for bad service!
OCDgurl2009 1 year ago
@OCDgurl2009 This video is just the icing on the cake for this pub. Research it at Yelp and Yahoo.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
No no no a tip is supposed to paid when good service is rendered that's not a tip it's a tax and done so they can tax service workers 1984 Is here
74powers 1 year ago
Cheap Assholes. What's worth more ? Your integrity and not ending up as the face of non-tipper scum of the earth pieces of shit. Or just shutting the fuck up and paying the gratuity to the waitress making $3 an hour. Idiots.
eldonquixote 1 year ago
the USA is a third world country becuase people rely on tips. the country must be broke
DasGiggler 1 year ago
@DasGiggler The U.S. is broke as a nation. Restaurant owners are too cheap to pay their servers minimum wage, so the citizens are forced to make up the difference. In my opinion, it would be better if they just got minimum wage.
LutzfromPS2 1 year ago 2
"Mandatory Gratuity" is a form of WELFARE! You don't have a choice on giving them a tip or not. Its not society's job to pay servers, its the employers job to pay them. This is so wrong on so many different levels. What motivation do servers have to make their customers happy if they are getting a "mandatory gratuity?" Second of all, society shouldn't have to make up the difference in a servers pay because the federal government is not doing their jobs.The LAW ALLOWS servers to only make $3/hour
LutzfromPS2 1 year ago
@LutzfromPS2 This isn't like welfare. 1, these people work. 2, it's not like a percentage of your income is forcibly garnished by the state in order to cover the supplemental income of a person you've never met. How exactly are you being "forced" to pay a tip? Where is it written that you HAVE to dine out? I'm seeing people on here talking down to waiters, waitresses, bartenders, etc like they should be thankful for serving an ungrateful public. Sense of entitlement? Take a look in the mirror...
jboyko3 1 year ago
@jboyko3 Restaurants were present much longer before the federal government imposed the tip credit in the FLSA. They did it because tipped employees as a whole were dishonest on their taxes. Therefore, the government decided that, if these employees were going to withhold more tax revenue by not claiming all their tips, then there is no reason why they should earn more direct wages. Don't blame the customers for something they don't control. They come to eat the restaurant's food and that's it.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself I apologize if I came off a little brash in my post. The point I was making was that dining out is a luxury expense. I'm not blaming customers for something they can't control. I'm pointing out the fact that they can choose to eat at home. Then they can set the table, prepare the food, and clean up the mess afterward themselves. And not worry about the added cost of having someone else do it for them. A service charge isn't a gratuity. It is the owners to do with what he pleases.
jboyko3 1 year ago