Nice! Never seen Wu / Hao perfomed so close to how the Tung family teaches it. They have it from Li Xiang Yuan, Tung Ying Chieh learned from him, before he came to join Yang Chen Fu. Sometimes his version is also called Li style and sometimes northtern Wu, he was from Hebei province, where Grandmaster Tung was his student. Looks to me that this gentleman can be of that linage to. Master Tung Kai Ying is my teacher.
Wow... I'm really impressed. I come from a differing lineage of taijiquan; yang chengfu's. It's rare that I look at another style and see it still fits all of the rules from the classics. There were a couple things I thought were a little off; for instance the needle at sea bottom looked a little weak, but largely I would consider this guy a master... at least of understanding if nothing else. It's apparent he actually knows what he's doing, as opposed to people who just make postures. 5 stars
Love this performance, for me the best Wu/Hao representation on this site.. there does appear to be a Sun flavour to the opening and part horses mane but its very difficult to start making claims of certainty about these things. Who cares? Its good Taiji. Personal expression is an option at this guys level, and he may have practiced both. Added to this different lineages practice in different ways, why people get out of their prams over it is beyond me!
this is only the latter developed 96 form the true essence of the wu hao style comes from the original 81 which is pure follow step and 7 star stepping!
@wagfinpis It is yang style. Wu hao style isnt a style of taiji per se. It used to be called open/close style and this method is added upon taiji. Many people do both wu hao and yang but you can only do one before the other there is a story behind it and you have to feel it to understand. There would be no requirement to do wu hao style after yang if there was a different in the energy, not the outside look.
I once met a chinese gentleman who practiced this. He offered to teach me, problem was, this style is EXTREMELY difficult. The principle of it, lies in maintaining concentration while breathing deeply and executing very precise movements. It looks easy, but it isn't.
If you have trained long Sun Taiji you would know that this is not the same. Neither is it modern Wu/Hao. I believe this is what was taught to Sun Lu Tang (by Hao Wei Zhen) and he then varied it to create his own Xingyi/Bagua influenced Taiji. Best example of Yang & small frame Chen fusion that I have ever seen.
Strange, folk always likes to try to attack ones credibility. This is a tatic used by Westerners. I have trained over a decade with a very famous and most credible teacher who learned the orginal Sun Style from Sun Lutang and his daugher before the art of Taijiquan was bastardized by westerners from America, Europe and Australia. If you studies taijiquan correctly, you would know the characteritics of Sun style, WuYuXiang Taiji and Hao Style taijiquan. Look up the historical developments.
If you have trained long Sun Taiji, you would know that this is not Sun form. Nor is it modern Wu/Hao. I believe that this is what Hao Wei Zhen taught Sun Lu Tang and Sun modified it adding Xingyi & Bagua influences. This flows better than Sun form. Beautiful.
Further, notice the single whip, the follow step, the xingyi moments embedded within the stepping and the sequence of postures, paticularly the fair lady, and the brush knee. Original WuYuXiang and Hao Style follow the yang style sequence and in posture without the follow step of xingyiquan.
Further,As you quote, "you believe". This is not good enough, you must know with out a shadow of a doubt. This is why taijian has been reduced to nothing more than a mystical exercise done by westerners who have a poor understanding of the system and lack the theorertical and applicable underpinnings to apply and uderstand Taijiquan.
dude i cant believe you would write such nonsense. my sifu is a master and fully understands taiji better than most Chinese.
further more I'm a jujitson and dont buy into any b.s. matter of fact i know many Chinese who have giving up on taiji for fighting and are doing kickboxing.
my sifu is one of the very few who can compete with mma. well,how do i know this? oh I'm trained in mma.
I'm an American who has been studying tai chi for 25 years and MA for 40 years, and holds black belts in six arts, and tai chi is by far the most sophisticated art I have studied. Some of my black belts who are up in years are switching over to it in preference to their old styles, because it offers so much more. Some day, when you're old enough to have a better perspective, you'll have more appreciation for what it's about--regardless of whether it's taught by Chinese or non-Chinese masters.
I started in "square Wu" style but now am mainly Yang style for some years. I don't know Wu Hao style, but the skill level looks very high to me although the body is inclined more and there are changes in tempo and in overall height of the form that we don't do, similar to chen style, but then Wu has a forward lean to it too.
We all live within our personal realities. Was it possible that 'flyingphoneix' (spelling which speaks for itself)was there when Hao taught Sun, if he was, he would know 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' if not well . . . I first studied Taiji in 1982, I have always studied with Chinese masters, neither they nor I ever viewed Taiji as a 'mystical exercise'. Racism has no place in MAs but some of the biggest preceptors of the 'cosmic' paradigm regarding Taiji have been of Asian origin.
Was it possible that you do not understand the rationale for spelling flyingphoneix in the manner in which it is spelled or is it possible that you still have no clue. There is a reason. Further if you read the posting correct, taiji has been reduced to mysticism by not the chinese, but by westerns and that is a fact. Research the history and developments of Taijiquan and its expansion into America, Europe and Australia, then you may began to understand. Research and read the literature.
I thought that this was supposed to be about commenting on the videos. Never the less, I think I've got it . . 'Flying' as 'head in the clouds' . . 'Phonei' as in 'phony' and 'x'as in 'anonymous'. Very clever! How long did it take to think that one up. But honestly, let's stop this. If you really a MA brother it may be best to not put others down.
Mate, do you believe that the 'follow up' step is unique to Xingyi? Or that founding masters did not create according to their desires. Around the turn of the last century the forms were nameless, and the masters gathered methods from where ever they could, the only constants were the principles.
I was once told by Master Peter Wu (Chen & Wu/Hao stylist from China) that the follow up step in Sun style was directly from Wu/Hao and not Xingyi. Sun added; the San Ti Shi (not evident in this form), small variations in foot work and modified a number of movements. The 'Cloud Hands' in this form are definitely unique to Wu/Hao. If this is a Sun form then it was the first Taiji form that he learned and practised. Also, Yongchunquan also uses a follow up step.
Please refer to the work "A Study of Taijiquan" by Sun Lu Tang. Sun style Tai Chi is indeed a derivative of this style. The sun style combines elements of the Haoweizheng style, Baguazhang, and Xingyi I believe.
Nice! Never seen Wu / Hao perfomed so close to how the Tung family teaches it. They have it from Li Xiang Yuan, Tung Ying Chieh learned from him, before he came to join Yang Chen Fu. Sometimes his version is also called Li style and sometimes northtern Wu, he was from Hebei province, where Grandmaster Tung was his student. Looks to me that this gentleman can be of that linage to. Master Tung Kai Ying is my teacher.
kollaolla 7 months ago
Nice kai/ke taijiquan!
RedCrowWalking 1 year ago
Wow... I'm really impressed. I come from a differing lineage of taijiquan; yang chengfu's. It's rare that I look at another style and see it still fits all of the rules from the classics. There were a couple things I thought were a little off; for instance the needle at sea bottom looked a little weak, but largely I would consider this guy a master... at least of understanding if nothing else. It's apparent he actually knows what he's doing, as opposed to people who just make postures. 5 stars
syphen888 2 years ago
Love this performance, for me the best Wu/Hao representation on this site.. there does appear to be a Sun flavour to the opening and part horses mane but its very difficult to start making claims of certainty about these things. Who cares? Its good Taiji. Personal expression is an option at this guys level, and he may have practiced both. Added to this different lineages practice in different ways, why people get out of their prams over it is beyond me!
resonance10 2 years ago
I had not seen Wu/Hao style until now. I thought Sun style's foot work was related to Xing Yi, but I see now it comes from Wu/Hao Taijiquan.
jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago
Amazing video. That was excellent taijiquan. The fajing looked great!
erockemad 2 years ago
5 stars! Hao is said to be the most internal of the family styles.
taoboxer9 2 years ago
this is only the latter developed 96 form the true essence of the wu hao style comes from the original 81 which is pure follow step and 7 star stepping!
kpcrispy 2 years ago
his moves are so light and ethereal!!!
real master!
taijicheng 3 years ago
that was good practice!
wagfinpis 3 years ago
According to general history the guy that created the Hao/Wu style of Tai Chi studies both Yang with Yang Lu Chan And Chen style.
ophachew1 3 years ago
it really shows too, it looks like a Yang/old Chen style highbred. this video makes me want to practice this set.
wagfinpis 2 years ago
@wagfinpis It is yang style. Wu hao style isnt a style of taiji per se. It used to be called open/close style and this method is added upon taiji. Many people do both wu hao and yang but you can only do one before the other there is a story behind it and you have to feel it to understand. There would be no requirement to do wu hao style after yang if there was a different in the energy, not the outside look.
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crm233 3 years ago
gays the follow step is from chen style!!!
melissigr 4 years ago
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magellan500 4 years ago
I once met a chinese gentleman who practiced this. He offered to teach me, problem was, this style is EXTREMELY difficult. The principle of it, lies in maintaining concentration while breathing deeply and executing very precise movements. It looks easy, but it isn't.
stardingo747 4 years ago
This is not WuHao, its Sun Taijiquan.
flyingphoneix 4 years ago
If you have trained long Sun Taiji you would know that this is not the same. Neither is it modern Wu/Hao. I believe this is what was taught to Sun Lu Tang (by Hao Wei Zhen) and he then varied it to create his own Xingyi/Bagua influenced Taiji. Best example of Yang & small frame Chen fusion that I have ever seen.
wobned 4 years ago
Strange, folk always likes to try to attack ones credibility. This is a tatic used by Westerners. I have trained over a decade with a very famous and most credible teacher who learned the orginal Sun Style from Sun Lutang and his daugher before the art of Taijiquan was bastardized by westerners from America, Europe and Australia. If you studies taijiquan correctly, you would know the characteritics of Sun style, WuYuXiang Taiji and Hao Style taijiquan. Look up the historical developments.
flyingphoneix 4 years ago
If you have trained long Sun Taiji, you would know that this is not Sun form. Nor is it modern Wu/Hao. I believe that this is what Hao Wei Zhen taught Sun Lu Tang and Sun modified it adding Xingyi & Bagua influences. This flows better than Sun form. Beautiful.
wobned 4 years ago
Further, notice the single whip, the follow step, the xingyi moments embedded within the stepping and the sequence of postures, paticularly the fair lady, and the brush knee. Original WuYuXiang and Hao Style follow the yang style sequence and in posture without the follow step of xingyiquan.
flyingphoneix 4 years ago
Further,As you quote, "you believe". This is not good enough, you must know with out a shadow of a doubt. This is why taijian has been reduced to nothing more than a mystical exercise done by westerners who have a poor understanding of the system and lack the theorertical and applicable underpinnings to apply and uderstand Taijiquan.
flyingphoneix 4 years ago
dude i cant believe you would write such nonsense. my sifu is a master and fully understands taiji better than most Chinese.
further more I'm a jujitson and dont buy into any b.s. matter of fact i know many Chinese who have giving up on taiji for fighting and are doing kickboxing.
my sifu is one of the very few who can compete with mma. well,how do i know this? oh I'm trained in mma.
maybe you should come see for yourself!
wailiquan 4 years ago
I'm an American who has been studying tai chi for 25 years and MA for 40 years, and holds black belts in six arts, and tai chi is by far the most sophisticated art I have studied. Some of my black belts who are up in years are switching over to it in preference to their old styles, because it offers so much more. Some day, when you're old enough to have a better perspective, you'll have more appreciation for what it's about--regardless of whether it's taught by Chinese or non-Chinese masters.
magellan500 4 years ago
Good to hear from someone with pedigree. But what do you reckon to this video & what styles of Taiji do you practice?
neijiatao 4 years ago
I started in "square Wu" style but now am mainly Yang style for some years. I don't know Wu Hao style, but the skill level looks very high to me although the body is inclined more and there are changes in tempo and in overall height of the form that we don't do, similar to chen style, but then Wu has a forward lean to it too.
magellan500 4 years ago
Hey, Magellan500, please see message in your 'inbox' under 'General Messages' via your Account, discussing this video and other matters.
neijiatao 4 years ago
We all live within our personal realities. Was it possible that 'flyingphoneix' (spelling which speaks for itself)was there when Hao taught Sun, if he was, he would know 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' if not well . . . I first studied Taiji in 1982, I have always studied with Chinese masters, neither they nor I ever viewed Taiji as a 'mystical exercise'. Racism has no place in MAs but some of the biggest preceptors of the 'cosmic' paradigm regarding Taiji have been of Asian origin.
neijiatao 4 years ago
Was it possible that you do not understand the rationale for spelling flyingphoneix in the manner in which it is spelled or is it possible that you still have no clue. There is a reason. Further if you read the posting correct, taiji has been reduced to mysticism by not the chinese, but by westerns and that is a fact. Research the history and developments of Taijiquan and its expansion into America, Europe and Australia, then you may began to understand. Research and read the literature.
flyingphoneix 4 years ago
I thought that this was supposed to be about commenting on the videos. Never the less, I think I've got it . . 'Flying' as 'head in the clouds' . . 'Phonei' as in 'phony' and 'x'as in 'anonymous'. Very clever! How long did it take to think that one up. But honestly, let's stop this. If you really a MA brother it may be best to not put others down.
neijiatao 4 years ago
Mate, do you believe that the 'follow up' step is unique to Xingyi? Or that founding masters did not create according to their desires. Around the turn of the last century the forms were nameless, and the masters gathered methods from where ever they could, the only constants were the principles.
neijiatao 4 years ago
I was once told by Master Peter Wu (Chen & Wu/Hao stylist from China) that the follow up step in Sun style was directly from Wu/Hao and not Xingyi. Sun added; the San Ti Shi (not evident in this form), small variations in foot work and modified a number of movements. The 'Cloud Hands' in this form are definitely unique to Wu/Hao. If this is a Sun form then it was the first Taiji form that he learned and practised. Also, Yongchunquan also uses a follow up step.
neijiatao 4 years ago
Please refer to the work "A Study of Taijiquan" by Sun Lu Tang. Sun style Tai Chi is indeed a derivative of this style. The sun style combines elements of the Haoweizheng style, Baguazhang, and Xingyi I believe.
stardingo747 4 years ago
Very interesting.
Loyaute 4 years ago
Hmmm......interesting. This styles influence on Sun Lu Tang and his Sun style Tai Chi is obvious; check out GM Tangs grandson at youtubes 'Sun Peng'
ophuchew 4 years ago
oops-- I ment GM Sun's Grand son.
ophuchew 4 years ago
ou yangfang!
curtrod 5 years ago
Thanks for this video. Very good master, congratulations.
AlvaroNam 5 years ago