If punk is dead, just a process well understood by record companies, mere packaging, what about people who don't deal with record companies but understand punk and well recall the great cry over Ithica, "Panum mortis est !"?
That was great. Nice to see John look a little content for a few seconds. Loved what he said too. Sure made sense. "People love what they can't have."
I'm gonna have to agree with Johnny, Punk is dead or dying. The mainstream punk like "Blink 182" "Paramore" "Avril Lavinge" etc are just killing it some more..it's like a poison being pumped into someone who's terribly ill. And those so called "punk" bands I listed above arent helping, same goes for Hot Topic, they're just ruining it. I mean, there's still people who hang onto what one was, or there's kids that get into this stuff way too late (me) that try to keep it alive but it's not possible
the metal box was floating around.but it was probably from the imports section. can't say for sure. interesting, the metal box lps had to be played at 45 but the dude who had it was playing it at 33 1/3. needless to say he thought it was a swindle. on 45 it was very influencial.
that's just rock n' roll. punk may be dead but you have to treat art in relative terms with commerce. what's old is always new again at some point. dead icons still make money for the living. one thing that will never die is greed.
Its funny how the media always makes everything sound like its some kind of?? BBLLAHAH! little fairy tale in the park all packaged up for the morons :) its also funny how the media then is all cool about punk like this a fashion? after the Pistols are gone!! the media is always old news
What IS punk then hmm? Punk was in it's initial conception just a form of rock fused with art minimalism and outrage. The Ramones were a part of the 'punk' scene well before most 'punk' bands were around. They helped set the three chord standard.
VU, MC5, Stooges, The Dolls....they may have had the jump on the Ramones but the Ramones broke things down until all they had was loud fast rock...And the CBGB crowd's in 75 (before punk became a media frenzy) loved it. So what is punk then?
You know John here loved the Ramones right? Hell, he wanted to meet them but was afraid that if they didn't like him they'd beat him up. That's the impact they had at the time.
All that being said I strongly prefer PiL to any three chord punk. PiL was a part of something better then rock music (for me anyway.) but that doesn't mean you can take away what bands like the Ramones did. If what Lydon says is true and punk is dead because it's understood then 'post-punk' would be dead too. Simple.
Love John Lydon, just think that I would never want to talk to him back in the day seeing how everything except him was dead, I mean honestly I love punk and what not but I think he has some ego of himself or he is just a dick on purpose. I mean who honestly thinks they could talk to him back in the day without him ripping you a new asshole for liking punk past 1979 or ANY rock band, hates everything man, not sure I would want to meet him nowadays, haha
wow people still believe that hole cock n bull story bout McLaren, he barly managed the Dolls, and really only half managed the pistols befor fucking it all up.
if u havent heard of the swankes then u dont know the full story behind ware the pistols came from!
They glance and at an article in the Guardian then spew their 2nd hand opinions all over youtube. Some even believe it the yankee embarrassing freak shows started it. (see that cowgirl sap down there somewhere>)
cowgirl is half right, johnny must of if not surly did gain inspiration from iggy, but there acts are very different, only similarities would be a i dont give a fuck attitude, but johns fare more intelligent than iggy. i think shes only looking to put something down rather than looking at it on an even level. iggy loves the pistols tho.
Wow! Great stuff, thanks for posting, agree with the rest about McLaren total ass. Think about the pistols the music was Lydon Matlock and Jones, Mostly L&M, after matlock, Sid was more of a prop any problems rather then fix the manager would use, and keep all the cash, PIL was real like Cap beefheart zappa etc it was real news music not all the factory crap you get with you American idol and so on, pll are very limited so programmable and Lydon knew that back then.
god its so weird to see john not fronting, and is it just me or is that sid trailing along in the clip of that group of ppl walking out the underground?
No offense to Pete intended, but having seen both the Wobble lineup (Olympic Auditorium LA, 1980) and the Jones lineup (Pasadena Civic Auditorium, 1982 with Savage Republic and ESG), I preferred the Wobble PiL, I think his thick sound suited the band's music better, Pete's sound was a bit "thinner". (Sorry, just my opinion)
Thanks for that. Brilliant. Have to say though not 1982. This line up has Jah Wobble and Keith Levene. They were long gone by then. I suggest 1978 or 79.
but how would this be 1982 when in the video it was saying how rotten's new band was pil? Since when were they new in '82? That doesn't make sense. Just pointing that out.
@sticklemiss he did to fund PiL rebirth
cky92ahoy 2 weeks ago
...and now he advertises butter on TV. How the mighty have fallen.
sticklemiss 8 months ago
If punk is dead, just a process well understood by record companies, mere packaging, what about people who don't deal with record companies but understand punk and well recall the great cry over Ithica, "Panum mortis est !"?
Lieu3C4 1 year ago
That was great. Nice to see John look a little content for a few seconds. Loved what he said too. Sure made sense. "People love what they can't have."
pazzensutra 1 year ago
punk is dead like rocknroll is..
it's dead as a scene but it'll keep on living in music untill the epocalipse
natrat888 1 year ago
0:42 he looks happy
r0ckandrollTV 1 year ago
I'm gonna have to agree with Johnny, Punk is dead or dying. The mainstream punk like "Blink 182" "Paramore" "Avril Lavinge" etc are just killing it some more..it's like a poison being pumped into someone who's terribly ill. And those so called "punk" bands I listed above arent helping, same goes for Hot Topic, they're just ruining it. I mean, there's still people who hang onto what one was, or there's kids that get into this stuff way too late (me) that try to keep it alive but it's not possible
DetectiveInsaneL 1 year ago 2
Spot-on about what John said about "Death Cult".
ajittffcure 1 year ago
be sure...IT IS AND BURIED
jabberjab 1 year ago
PUNKS NOT DEAD.
MyliuFoje 1 year ago
We had both. Metal box was kind of expensive tho, cuz of the packaging.
SovietTelevision 2 years ago
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have the people from england dentist?
armandosancris 2 years ago
the metal box was floating around.but it was probably from the imports section. can't say for sure. interesting, the metal box lps had to be played at 45 but the dude who had it was playing it at 33 1/3. needless to say he thought it was a swindle. on 45 it was very influencial.
up2space 2 years ago 3
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my point is speed matters. maybe John should get back on it.
up2space 2 years ago
It's funny how Crass,Dead Kennedys, and John Lydon say punk is dead,yet I see those logos painted all over leather jackets..
Gonzalez2500 2 years ago
Punk is dead; leather jackets, however, are alive.
johnwaynesfoot 2 years ago 8
that's just rock n' roll. punk may be dead but you have to treat art in relative terms with commerce. what's old is always new again at some point. dead icons still make money for the living. one thing that will never die is greed.
up2space 2 years ago 2
No, leather jackets are dead and so is the cow it came from. *-)
tikidevil 2 years ago
no leather allowed in my house, ever. cows often get skinned or dismembered while still conscious for some moron's bad fashion sense.
chrisnoaro1 1 year ago
@johnwaynesfoot Damn I thought my jacket was a bit twitchy today,
TheChundar 1 year ago
That sound check sounds great , regardless of any argument!
roblemon67 2 years ago
Its funny how the media always makes everything sound like its some kind of?? BBLLAHAH! little fairy tale in the park all packaged up for the morons :) its also funny how the media then is all cool about punk like this a fashion? after the Pistols are gone!! the media is always old news
Fender1976uk 3 years ago
Grandfather of "spunk"....more like ☻
PAULLONDEN 3 years ago
fucking TV people!
JTlat 3 years ago 2
i agree fuck the ramones,they did not invent anything,they were just fat-haired rockers,not punks!
zoldantal 3 years ago
What IS punk then hmm? Punk was in it's initial conception just a form of rock fused with art minimalism and outrage. The Ramones were a part of the 'punk' scene well before most 'punk' bands were around. They helped set the three chord standard.
VU, MC5, Stooges, The Dolls....they may have had the jump on the Ramones but the Ramones broke things down until all they had was loud fast rock...And the CBGB crowd's in 75 (before punk became a media frenzy) loved it. So what is punk then?
5anjii 2 years ago
You know John here loved the Ramones right? Hell, he wanted to meet them but was afraid that if they didn't like him they'd beat him up. That's the impact they had at the time.
All that being said I strongly prefer PiL to any three chord punk. PiL was a part of something better then rock music (for me anyway.) but that doesn't mean you can take away what bands like the Ramones did. If what Lydon says is true and punk is dead because it's understood then 'post-punk' would be dead too. Simple.
5anjii 2 years ago 3
Dead or not the music is still great to listen to.
dortyhoor 3 years ago 2
of course punk is dead...what john said its true..
t0unalua 3 years ago 3
Johnny is the king of rock´n´roll. Elvis is dead!!!
Fyllbulten 3 years ago
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1 he didnt invent punk, the Ramones did.
2 when he sais "punk is dead" its because its comertialised and doesnt mean anything.
desasterz 3 years ago
fuck the ramones
tazzman560 3 years ago
why?
desasterz 3 years ago
never mind the butter, wheres the cash..
neonfish543 3 years ago
lol
Peterraul77 3 years ago
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sex pistols were the worst band ever and not in a good way either...PIL and rotten are amazing though
Babaretro222 3 years ago
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rotten is now a full time WANKER.
markusa 3 years ago
Love John Lydon, just think that I would never want to talk to him back in the day seeing how everything except him was dead, I mean honestly I love punk and what not but I think he has some ego of himself or he is just a dick on purpose. I mean who honestly thinks they could talk to him back in the day without him ripping you a new asshole for liking punk past 1979 or ANY rock band, hates everything man, not sure I would want to meet him nowadays, haha
oddjob55 3 years ago
I know what you mean exactly. when you see interviews with him now its almost completely contradictory of what he used to be.
stigonbass 3 years ago 2
I was there! Amazing!
IzzyIsou 3 years ago 3
This is one of the only pre-1990's clips of Lydon where he actually looks happy.
MastaBlasta2008 3 years ago 9
Very cool to see Keith here.
postwhatever 3 years ago 4
"John Lydon's new band is Public Image" - in 1982?? Channel 5, always first with the news.
klangding 3 years ago 5
01:32 lol ;)
Slance1Himself 3 years ago 4
absolutely!
caesar349 3 years ago
wow people still believe that hole cock n bull story bout McLaren, he barly managed the Dolls, and really only half managed the pistols befor fucking it all up.
if u havent heard of the swankes then u dont know the full story behind ware the pistols came from!
nothinggrinner 3 years ago
Very true.
They glance and at an article in the Guardian then spew their 2nd hand opinions all over youtube. Some even believe it the yankee embarrassing freak shows started it. (see that cowgirl sap down there somewhere>)
2ivanhoe 3 years ago
cowgirl is half right, johnny must of if not surly did gain inspiration from iggy, but there acts are very different, only similarities would be a i dont give a fuck attitude, but johns fare more intelligent than iggy. i think shes only looking to put something down rather than looking at it on an even level. iggy loves the pistols tho.
nothinggrinner 3 years ago
The guy says the audience won't accept John Lydon's view that Punk is dead, but then fails to interview the audience as evidence of this.
featherysunshine 3 years ago 3
Johns not the godfather of punk....he's the effed-up stepchild of Iggy
lwcowgirls 3 years ago
is keith levene still on guitar?
vinnyman69 4 years ago 2
Yep. Keith is to the left of Lydon when they are performing "Public Image" with the tile backdrop...this is probably right before the split.
darewon 3 years ago
Wow! Great stuff, thanks for posting, agree with the rest about McLaren total ass. Think about the pistols the music was Lydon Matlock and Jones, Mostly L&M, after matlock, Sid was more of a prop any problems rather then fix the manager would use, and keep all the cash, PIL was real like Cap beefheart zappa etc it was real news music not all the factory crap you get with you American idol and so on, pll are very limited so programmable and Lydon knew that back then.
Cryogenian 4 years ago 3
I never thought I'd see this clip, thankyou so much! This must've been shortly before Keith left, I think. Bless you for posting it.
neilchair 4 years ago
lydon was ok!!!! punk was a gimmick!!!!!!!!
gouvyrock 4 years ago
In the words of Shakin' Stevens, lovely stuff.
amj8831 4 years ago
fuck punk, i just call it all ROCK N ROLL!
dubzy81 4 years ago
It looks like John's having a good time singing and actually enjoying himself.
david69696 4 years ago
god its so weird to see john not fronting, and is it just me or is that sid trailing along in the clip of that group of ppl walking out the underground?
thecemetrygates 4 years ago
NY Dolls - Ha Ha Ha don't ya just love Yanks!
Elektrapunk 4 years ago
No offense to Pete intended, but having seen both the Wobble lineup (Olympic Auditorium LA, 1980) and the Jones lineup (Pasadena Civic Auditorium, 1982 with Savage Republic and ESG), I preferred the Wobble PiL, I think his thick sound suited the band's music better, Pete's sound was a bit "thinner". (Sorry, just my opinion)
RiotNrrrdUTube 5 years ago
I agree....I wasn't in charge of the sound but wanted the big bottom end, and the engineer had never even heard Metal Box so I was fucked..pj
jabberjab 5 years ago
brilliant,
along with wobble, pete's still my favorite pil-bass-player,
why not teaming up with sir john again?
seeing pil in real band-format again would be a blast
flockian 5 years ago
Awesome!
MightyDR 5 years ago
really sorry then geezer. I'm blind. That was great. Don't delete me as your my space mate!!!
clinker123 5 years ago
Thank you, almighty Pete Jones!
sanderpillio 5 years ago
Thanks for that. Brilliant. Have to say though not 1982. This line up has Jah Wobble and Keith Levene. They were long gone by then. I suggest 1978 or 79.
cheers though
clinker123 5 years ago
well you are absolutely wrong, i was there playing bass at the time so i should know right?
jabberjab 5 years ago
Yeah I was about to say no way is that Jah Wobble.
Waterfall64 5 years ago
I guess that explains everything.
belsenghost 5 years ago
but how would this be 1982 when in the video it was saying how rotten's new band was pil? Since when were they new in '82? That doesn't make sense. Just pointing that out.
openyourmind25 5 years ago
Probably because they werent commercially known outside of the uk at the time, so the newscaster obviously thought they were a new band.
badfex 5 years ago