Second and third-wave feminists are hateful, egoistic and selfish individuals. They have very little in common with the original women's-suffrage movement.
I always find this particular summary refreshing. Even so, why they are femiNAZIs is because of repeating the Big Lie. They are exactly swastika-waving evil bigots from the pit of hell. Family-wreckers, home-breakers, child-murderers, liars, cheaters, thieves, and a bunch of whores (they flat-out try to "take back the word 'slut,' or some such stupidity"). These people are so evil and have done so much damage that those who speak out deserve a medal. I should give you one of mine!
All the feminists will keep whining and all the scared men will go along with it. Then they will start into killing men, just like the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. Forcing men to wear dresses, rubbing their cunts in our faces, forcing us to give birth to baby girls.
With all of the talk about "biology" and "alpha characteristics", it's about 100% likely that this guy considers himself a "pick up artist". Judging by the general character of the pond scum who call themselves "pick-up-artists", I would say it's about 80% likely that he's committed at least one rape.
@dark7element Yes brilliant deduction. If a male uses the words biology and alpha male characteristics in a 3:32 time period he must therefore consider himself a pick up artist. And if a male considers himself a pick up artist he is eighty percent likely to have committed at least one rape. Where can I learn more about this logic you use? It doesn't sound like logic to me. Would you call it meta logic or even super logic? This stuff is amazing don't keep it to yourself.
"100% likey" lol that sounds hilarious. But on a serious note if you've got a problem with "pick up-artists" write a book about it. You know that 80% of self proclaimed "pick up artists" have commited at least one rape. That should get all the feminists fired up once more.
Hypocrisy is synonymous with the feminist movement. Feministing was giving advice on how to attack Naomi Wolf using the silk glove approach (the Mafia's preferred method of intimidation) Apparently some of the feminists have been getting too abusive in their attacks on Wolf for her comments regarding the Assange rape case. These stupid women will be arguing over irrelevant details while they're being loaded into cattle trucks heading for the nearest FEMA camp. Dumb or what ?
Im really just curious how legislation passes in favor of one gender over another..I dont follow the logic there at all. That's literally the same concept as black/white seperate water fountains. Everyone gets the water..thats the equality. But the "other" fountain is for "you" people. Essentially from a brief overview that's the idea behind feminism (now). Why is sauce for the gander not sauce for the goose and vice versa? Wasnt a move to equality the idea, not a move to privledge?
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I have NEVER met a feminist who hated men. Feminists hate patriarchy. The assumption that feminists hate men is MISANDRY in itself, because it draws no distinction between patriarchy and men in general. To all my homeboys, (you know who you are) you KNOW I love you. I don't think that men should be called misogynists if they stand up for their rights (i.e., child custody), just as it is not fair to say I hate men for wanting to change my tire without being laughed at and told I'm incapable.
@factory2590, lol, exactly. Saying "I've never met a feminist that hated men" is like saying "I've never met a Christian fundamentalist that hated other religions".
@johnman1911 hahahaha, OH NO! I take it all back! Change a tire?!?!?!?!!! It's quite possibly the worst thing that's ever happened to me! How could I possibly jack up my car, loosen lug nuts, put my tire on and tighten them back up again?!!?!?!!! I take it all back!!!!!!!!! Oh, the humanity! Um...I already know how to change a tire, and have done so since I was 14, you presumptuous fuck.
@johnman1911 Plain and simple: You hate women. It is easy to deduce. I am in love with a REAL MAN. One who is tough, strong, and doesn't need to put me down or condescend to make himself feel better, because he is secure in the fact that he is the shit. And his dick is bigger than yours, of this I am certain.
@johnman1911 hahahahahahahaha, because "learn to change your own tire" is an argument, dripping with logical dialectic. Hipocrisy at its finest. Good day to you, Sir. You have been officially PWND.
I am female. Feminists are misandric idiots. Their arguments have no merit. However, neither do yours. Yours are just as misogynistic as theirs are misandric. Why not be equal and be misanthropic. ;)
@randomquotage False compromise again. Sorry, men have nowhere near the same rights as women in all sorts of areas. Until that changes, you'll have to deal with pissed off men. My question to you is, why do you think men should be happy where they are? You see us as subhuman or something?
@factory2590 Nope. I agree that feminists don't want equality, they want special treatment. However, as men are inferior in many areas, so are women. I don't see men as subhuman. I don't see women as subhuman. History falls on the side of women, however in the "I'm more oppressed than you" argument, with the notable exception of a few matriarchal societies. BUT largely, they are irrelevant. Men and women both need to quit their bitching and be grateful for what they get.
@randomquotage women were privaldged not oppressed! way to much to say about this in a youtube comment bar, a good place to start would be a youtube search for The Myth of Woman's Oppression its a video from TheHappyMisogynist's
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An echo chamber? They just posted a positive interview this morning with a Republican male intelligent and open-minded enough to support women's rights. They didn't condemn him because he was male or Republican.
If you want to talk echo chambers; how many times can anti-feminists say the same catch phrases--feminazi, misandry, they expect us to pay child support just because we helped create the child, Yeah, they get raped and beaten up but we have to fix their cars, waaaah! Woe is us!
@authoress1 for feminist usually, men are only good if they support your agenda and they dont speak to much against sorry but the only "feminist" blog so far who is really fair is hookingupsmart, and they dont hesitate to criticise both men and women including feminism, and some feminist critic even write there, the tone is good and in so far I didnt see any kind of male bashing, contrary on what happens at feministing.
@authoress1 yeah, like the feminist catch phrases such as "pervert", "misogynist", "objectify" etc?
yes, women get raped and beat up. but guess what? men can get beat up too! do you have this stereotyped view of gender in your mind in which men are bulky and muscular and can easily take care of themselves? men are every bit as likely to be attacked in a dark alley as women are.
and did you also know that men can be recruited into the army against their will? or were you asleep in history class?
@33LB Actually, men are three times as likely to be assaulted, AND to top it off, no one comes running to help if your a man, because "you can take care of yourself" and if it's a woman attacking you?! Well buddy, you had damn well better just stand there and take whatever she throws at you, because god help you if have the audacity to exercise self defense.
@LeftoverJedi indeed. i've heard people say that men should be able to defend themselves and if they can't, then they deserve it for being weak. it's a shocking example of sexism. imagine if i said that women should learn karate to defend themselves from rape- i would be regarded as a sexist for that.
@authoress1 Wow. This is kinda the point being made here. Statistically speaking, men are signaficantly more likely to be assulted and be subjected to virtually all forms of physical violence than women. Also, statistics on rape do not include what goes on in male prisons which would more than likely yield some uncomfortable results for feminists.
feministing is a coven of mysandric femmes. Every topik is filled by hatred of men, I remember one particular topik named : why men rape. Lot of women wrote their total and uncoditional hate against us. There were even some guys who were abused by women, but they got almust "killed" away by the biggots.
I find unconfortable that place, they censor opposing view and close the blog when it gets unconfortable. A shitty place! A monument to sexism!
Sierramarysmucker asked me how second wave feminism could be guilty of perpetuating worse sexism than chauvanism. The answer is simple- chauvanism didn't have the equivalent of the SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) manifesto which actually called for the genocide of women the way that modern feminism does men.
Second wavers not only create a gender reversal of chauvanism but take it to the most misandrist place possible.
Factory, you seem to be confusing drive with aggression. Drive and aggression are certainly related, but drive tends to be a more constructive impulse, compared to aggression which tends to be a combative one. Certainly both manifest themselves out of survivalism, however I would argue that drive is the proactive survivalist response, whereas aggression is the reactive equivalent of it.
I always care for the women and the many unspoken difficulties they are facing and going through in today's crazy society. And why some of these silly things also go set up and join feminist groups.
Girls and ladies are not meant to be put down or silenced, but rather they are meant to be loved and cared for, even in small ways that do mean a lot. This is how I feel.
Ha! Thanks for speaking out! I've been reading her book and it's the most horribly written garbage I've ever read...no joke! I'm thinking of doing a book review video...or series of videos. My wife wants to get in on it too!
Thanks for posting this video. You are absolutely correct in your observations about feminists. The Women's Studies programs in Academia is unique in that it is the only discipline that does not welcome or tolerate intellectual debate to question its conclusions.
It's hard to reject masculinity (alpha/beta concept) when it works. Women want to F the alpha and have the beta raise the kids. It's so sad that it works this way, but it *does* work. It's up to women to get rid of masculinity by not allowing it to work.
I was shamed for being an alpha all my life. I even had a fem-teacher organize a "round table" classroom discussion just because of me lightly teasing girls. But you know what? It works.
I think it's interesting that sites like feministing are so popular, Given that everytime i read comments on the site there is almost no diversity in opinion. Oh how i laugh, you will have 10-20 people saying the same thing in different ways, It's such stimulating debate!
That's why i will always prefer masculist sites, Even if i am 100% opposed to their ideas, At least i won't be censored.
I somewhat agree with you. I think in theory it would much more productive and correct for them to allow a discourse between different views; although it's hard to do that when for every politely disagreeing comment you get a 100 " go make me a sammich, c***".
I think that, if we were to looking deeper and actually communicate, we would notice how many goals feminists and non-chauvinists MRAs have in common.
And if Feminists hadn't just spent 15 years telling us we have no legitimacy, that men do not have problems, and that Feminism is definitely NOT responsible for anything IF men do have issues - if they hadn't done that, consistently, from the beginning all the way up to present day...THEN you might have a point.
You don't though.
Hell, look at you...you'd rather defend the reputation of your ideology than work toward ending this travesty that Feminists call "equality".
I defend the reputation of the ideology , which doesn't mean I defend certain turns that the movements has taken.
I think that men, as a sex, do actually have problems, concerning divorce, parenthood and the lack of resources and awareness to violence/rape against them, but I think that fighting against gender stereotypes and a divisive gender binary could work to solve them. That's why I wish feminists and some MRAs would see how much they have in common instead of fighting each other.
It will not be MRA's reaching out first, We do not need feminists to retain our popularity, They need MRA's to retain theres. And when MRA's do achieve equality it will be without feminists, As factory has pointed out, Not once in the last 15 years did they feel compelled to help our cause. Now that we are gaining popularity and are about to make achievements, They want their slice of the pie. But they didn't help bake it.
Feminists could at any time make their own movement to end injustices against men, Renderring our movement entirely useless, But they won't because that is simply not what they are about.
Fighting gender stereotypes and patriarchal institutions has EVERYTHING to do with helping single fathers and male victims of violence.
When fatherhood is not supported because mothers are perceived as the ones meant to take care of children and households and male victims of violence or rape don't have resources because the it's felt like men don't need protection THAT'S a gender stereotype and a consequence of patriarchy.
How can patriarchy hurt men? I don't actually believe we live in a patriarchy, Not just because there has been no evidence for it, but because i see prisons full of men, I see almost exclusively men on death row, How could a society that treats men far worse then women be considered patriarchal? A society that ignores men as victims and expects them to die for their country.
I don't believe we live in a literally patriarchal society either, but I do think that our society still has many patriarchal elements that do hurt both sexes.
Embracing force, dominance and assertiveness in men more than in women, specially in the black community, is a great part of what generates the violence and yes, also the cultural and court bias. And this is very much a patriarchal left-over.
So why is patriarchal culture hurting men more then women? Why is it only men expected to die for their country? Why is it only men who get denied help at domestic violence shelters? Why is it only men subjected to the draft?
I don't understand how these are more patriarchal then matriarchal occurences.
Because the cultural paradigms responsible for these issues are those of the embracing of force, violence and endurance as typically and only male virtues.
OK but men have come MUCH further mentally in overcoming r biological instinct to be violent then women have in overcoming their biology to be manipulative&dishonest as a way for their survival. Men have largely broken their chains, while feminism rewards females for keeping theirs.
At same time interfering with progress of males by raising boys into criminals & EXACTLY the opposite of what men have involved into WITHOUT as much direct influence from (signal mothers) &pop culture FEMISNIM
Is it the drive, the ambition that comes with aggression? How about the fierce protectiveness that is only made possible by aggressive traits.
Anger is a justified response to injustice and oppression. Should we remove anger from the world, because it's "aggressive"? How would we cast off the shackles of oppression? Why is anger and aggression only OK in women?
Well I'm totally fine with men being aggressive and angry if they have good reasons to like protecting your country or being oppressed by the country you protect, But that isn't really the same as aggressive traits, Aggressive traits will make sure you are aggressive weather you have a good reason or not.
Every successful businessman alive has aggressive traits. Nearly every one of your ancestors had aggressive traits, because they are necessary to survive!
Women tend to see no need for them, because women have almost never, in the history of mankind, needed to be aggressive. They had men for that.
Don't kid yourself, this "anger is evil" approach is very much part of the emasculation of our society. Trying to turn us into Sweden, where the men sit to pee..
"every successful businessman alive has aggressive traits"
How?
There is a difference between ambition and aggressiveness, The ends. The ends of aggressiveness are ALWAYS hurting someone. The ends of ambition usually don't. Most businessman don't hurt people physically.
Sure there is. You can have all the ambition in the world, but if you're not aggressive enough to go out there and take what you work for, ambition counts for shit.
No, they're aggressive traits. It's not "protective" to go out there and earn a ton for the fam. It's not "protective" to build a civilization...it's the drive to do more, get better, succeed.
Aggression.
I get it that you have a problem with aggression. I don't, and many share my view that this pogrom against anger is merely a way to further control the populace.
That's collectivist thinking. The vast majority of society was built on the backs of one group taking shit from another, amassing wealth, and funding research on better stuff, so that they can take the next group's shit.
Aggression is fundamental to the human condition. And don't forget, all it takes is a power outage to make aggression a necessary human trait...
"The vast majority of society was built on the backs of one group taking shit from another, amassing wealth, and funding research on better stuff, so that they can take the next group's shit."
How does that have anything to do with my post?
It gives a hypothesis on how society was built, It doesn't in the slightest contradict my hypothesis which is WHY society was built.
I don't see why you wouldn't fear aggression, Aggression manifests through violence and It's obvious why we would fear violence.
Aggression becomes a problem in ones own country when countrymen starting killing countrymen, But protectiveness is only violent when threatened, Thus it is ideal.
Yes, I'm young and I also come from a privileged background, but the simple fact that I haven't experienced a given struggle doesn't mean I don't care about it.
Also that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you: I do not think that you benefit from a patriarchal culture.
I'm not sure if you're trying to deny that women were EVER oppressed, if so, that seems delusional..
it's context you twit, it's not oppression if your very survival depends on it.
at the same time, it's only releative to what men faced. I don' think being the one to who gets to check on the the group of people in the front yard with sticks and rocks is really the oppreOR.
lol, a rich 17 yr old twit living off daddy's money wants to explain to us, how the world really works. not that you ever had creditability with your reference to you'RE or anything else you have said, but now you fit nicely in the a nice little category of little Rich Bitch. Daddy probably wanna of them mangina so bizy getting served by mommy to give realize he is culpable in the destruction of the WEST as he pull up the ladder for other men.
You mean besides the fact that men were oppressed into being told that they should ONLY posess those traits & that they're the epitome of failure the moment they act in a "feminine" manner?
This is where I think some MRAs get it so wrong. If you attack the radical feminists for villainising us for being in a cage but celebrate the cage, all it does is get rid of one stereotype problem for men while exacerbating the other.
Yes masculinity should be celebrated, but ALL of masculinity!
The only people compressing men into rigid gender roles are women. Feminism COULD address that, but then doing so would undermine the "empowerment" that they've built on the backs of self-loathing men.
As for "celebrating the cage", well, that's bullshit. Plain and simple.
MRAs have no interest in continuing the past either. We just believe our take on things does not require men "admit" to their failings before any meaningful change is warranted.
You're wrong on that score. It actually goes back to at least the Roman Empire and the oppressive stoicism men were put through and possibly right back to fundamental survivalism.
Feminists just found an easy target in our oppression and blamed us for it- which is as bad as sick and depraved hypocracy gets.
It's not about "admitting to failings"- but about realising that the alpha male in itself was a supression of the vast majority of emotions that men experience.
You're right when you say that that the traits of alpha malehood shouldn't be villainised, but then neither should anything else that men feel. That's the problem with viewing the alpha male as the pincle of masculinity, it denies everything else which is equally valid.
We need to move away from the concept of the alpha male, to the concept of the COMPLETE male, which values ALL of the emotions and traits which men have, not just the select few that either traditionalists of feminists allow.
And yet where does the "alpha" position leave domestic violence and child abuse sufferers who are male the moment the abuser is female but viewed as a pathetic joke and being at fault for being so pathetically weak.
You're wrong about society, the go beyond the "not only" argument to ridiculing and despising men who aren't alpha's while villainising men who are- I reject every one of those oppressive notions outright!
The reality is that we need to reject every concept of masculinity from alpha to omega and replace it with something all encompasing, which values both alpha characteristics and everything else- anything less doesn't truly celebratre masculinity.
I don't deny for one minute that I'm thinking incredibly long term (I plan on doing a phd on this issue once i'm done with my undergrad degree in history), but that's the thing.
Feminism was an abject failure because it only looked at the superficial, mistook it for the fundamental, and festered in sexist hatred as a result- meaning that feminism did nothing to address gender inequality at a core level.
If the men's movement is to TRULY succeed, it needs to look past the here and now while acting in the here and now to initially get rid of the blame men face for being oppressed, but doing so in a way that it becomes a launching pad to get to the timeless oppression of men and make fundamental and lasting change. Otherwise we too will have only succeeded in overcoming the superficial while completely failing to overcome our gender oppression and value all that men have to offer.
@factory2590 Actually since then it seems that people like Paul Elam have joined me there. I'll now quantify this abstract argument with something concrete. Alpha, Beta and Omega maledom are all prisons of one kind. What men need to embrace is Zeta maledom.
@factory2590 yes, I know several girls who demand that men stop being so powerful and alpha - so they hook up with some guy who sucks up to them and is not very alpha. Then a few years later they are looking for a husband that will actually fix the car, repair the house, use tools like men tend to do. Why is it that many feminists are such hypocrites and cannot think logically - it is possibly genetic. Dr James Watson has some good points, that are politically incorrect.
@forpeaceandloveman many girls hate the word women. Your nitpicking is not appreciated. In no way did I intend it to degrade women by calling them girls. The word girls is more playful and means essentially the same thing. If I see a woman on the street I can call her a girl or a woman. Girls and guys is OKAY. Girl doesn't necessarily mean child, whereas boy is more dedicated to mean child. Also, fuck you.
@HugNow, this is because women expect the contradictory and the impossible these days. They want a man who is "confident" and "not afraid to be himself", yet they want a man who is easy to control, is entertaining at all times, and fulfills their every demand. Such a being is a walking contradiction, an impossibility. If you are a confident person, you don't put on an act whenever someone wants to be entertained. If you're easy to control, you're either retarded or lack confidence.
You are welcome to make your own list of injustices against women, Seeings as this is the oppression olympics and whoever wins gets to call society a patriarchy or a matriarchy.
The democratic primary was enough of oppression olympic for me, I gotta get over that one first.
What I'm trying to say though it's a different thing. Patriarchy =/= something that oppresses women and favours men, not necessarily and not today at least.
A patriarchal culture entails some specific cultural paradigms, some of which I've listed before, that, in today's society, indeed hurt men too: male force, males having to be the providers, showing affection having a negative connotation...
Well, no. Both sexes do. Domestic violence and rape still effect women to a much greater degree.
Of course there's more to it on both sides, but fighting to show who has it worse really brings us nowhere. Wouldn't it be better to just realise that gender stereotypes and inequality are a BAD thing for everyone and work to get rid of them?
Can't you tell I have a problem when this approach comes from feminists too? I just don't think it's a good strategy. Nor is insulting random people on the internet, when you have zero idea if they're either foolish, little, or girls.
then why aren't you over at feminist,com having a debate, liar, your just like all other feminist, maybe just a little more ashamed of taking ownership of the hatered you spew.
you will understand if I have to again call you a liar. one parent saying to other "don't hit him in the face, you will leave marks" does not make one of the parents virtuous
? Both sexes get drafted? Both sexes are imprisoned at the same quantity? Both sexes are sentenced to death row as much as eachother? Both sexes are denied help from domestic violence shelters at the same rate?
These issues are about as gender neutral as rape. And men account for almost half the victims of dv yet they do not even get 1/40th the help women get, (going by the states that allow men to seek help from dv shelters)
Both sexes get raped equally? both sexes die as often as a consequence of domestic violence?
There's shit on both sides, but as it indeed comes from the same source, is it really important to fight over who has it worse instead of just fucking do something about it?
The celebration of force and aggressiveness as a male virtue, the idea of men being responsible for the protection of women and children and at the same time not needing protection themselves all come from a certain mindset, which is patriarchal (the mindset, which is still mainstream, but not necessarily all aspects of our society).
do u really thing anyone of the 3 of us would have a problem with you if your real agenda was simply to help men realize they need more "ME" time, lol. your attempts are a hollow as your soul.
u say this, but at the same time you'RE the same type of women who votes to artificially prevent men from doing this for sole purpose of being able to dogmatize and spit in mens face when the cant live up to this mission because of what feminist have created.
If you were really serious about knowing what our position is, and finding common ground...you would have gone to d'load the magazine already. That is, after all, one of it's purposes...to explain to Feminists why we take the stance we do.
In it, there is an essay by Fidelbogen entitled "Is Feminism a Hate Movement".
I suggest you read it.
That is IF you are actually serious. If you're simply here to try and waste our time, just ignore what I said and refuse to read it.
I'm reading your blog, haven't found the mag though, basically coming to the conclusion that a bit of the disagreement is on genetics and a lot is on semantics...
Anyways...I'm not an activist, I have no interest of luring you into feminism, just telling you what I think.
Juls we are on to 3rd waive, pretending you are something other when what your are, a racial feminist does not work. We are not deer and will not assume because you wear camouflage your simply part of the forestry.
lol guys think, I think this is why we are gonna win this battle sooner or later, they are making them younger and dumber, "THEY" are them and have no idea, lol.
LOL, I'm not sure what a racial feminist is, I'll have to sat that I don't have clear, developed opinions about this, since I ended up here got curious. I'd say he's (not you though) got a point generally, but I'm so much into discussing doctrine on youtube comments.
Erm, you said "racial", not radical, I actually thought the definition existed, but I wasn't sure what it meant. I'm not defending anything, I just wanted to read the bloody magazine. I'm not going to argue feminism with you, because honestly I'm not educated enough about the subject and also because, as someone with Shoah survivors in her family, your comparison, and by default you, disgust me.
GOOD be offended, maybe if more germans had been offended Hiter & Nazism would not have surrvived in it's assualt on humanity. Like I said, we see through U, we know the game feminist now play, it amazes me that these twits keep acting supprised when they are called on their hatred. FEMINIST= MAN HATRERS. Feminisim indocrinates the mindless, sleeping and short sided. If not for feminist, women could have a bigger piece of pie. A larger % of a shrinking pie does not add up, DO THE MATH.
Honestly, from what I've red and saw the guy from this channel, even if my gut feeling would be to disagree with him on a couple of stances, mostly makes sense and has reasonable claims; I don't think being linked to people like you does him any good.
he's not linked to me, men can hate feminist for all kinds of reason's. he may or may not try to foster dialog with you, but in the end he see through you also.
If you want to put the label of agnry white guy on me, have fun, even though I in no way fall into this categroy I am happy to play this role. Wild eyed feminist did it 40 yrs ago, and worded for them. On top of it I have truth and rigteousness on my side!
I didn't really want to foster dialogue, because I'm no activist of any kind, I'm 18 and just trying and starting to form opinions about things.
I don't care about your colour or your level of anger honestly, I just don't think it's a good idea for people I consider reasonable, regardless of how much I agree or disagree with their stances, to associate with folks who make light of the holocaust. That one is just a deal-breaker for me...
lol, youre a fool, no one made light of the holocaust, I didn't even mention the holocaust, I talked about Nazism a political methodology that lead to fascism and the occurrence ,ULTIMALY, of the Holocaust. Feminism is exactly the same thing and has already allowed for the dehumanization of millions, just like the Nazis did with the Jews. Many thought killing Jews was like what feminist think of killing 8 month old babies. Call them a Jew or a fetus so we can kill them.
Let's leave it at the fact that I find your comparison between Jewish people and foetuses highly offensive, not so much from the prospect of being pro-choice, but from the prospect of my heritage. I don't care about discussing abortion with you and I care very little about feminism being dead in ten years in the west, but you should think about what kind of historical tragedies you bring up before you do so.
wrong answer scum bag, u are so sick that you don't even view killing an 8 month old FETUS (hope that makes scumbag happy) as horrendous. Thankyou for being my example, Hitler thought of Jews just like you think of a "fetus", nothing but something to be disposed off, just as easily as letting them live.
U WILL BE VIEWED in 100 yrs as U view HITLTER TODAY!
FYI, I don't give a goddam what u care to discuss! get your stinky ass off if you don't want to talk about the evil you endorce.
it about the disease feminism and all the symptoms that go with it, killing BABIES, one of the worst. I know is must suck that moment you begin to realize some look at you as you look at hit Nazis, trust me 100 yrs from it will be the norm, c ya later stinky, don't let the door hit ya in your gigantic ass.
no I don't wish u a nice life, I wish you the same life at you wish upon millions of fetus's
The way traditional abortions work is by, when a child is able to survive being born prematurely, we stab them in the back of the head & suck their brains out; when a child is fully able to feel pain, we slowly dismember them with a pair of forceps & pliers; when the child is fully self-aware & aware of their own body we tear their body apart using suction 29 times more powerful than a household vaccuum cleaner.
@1990Juls Furthermore there have been an estimated 50 million abortions which have taken place are 10 times that of the number of jews who died in the holocaust.
In addition, if you think that because of the 5 million jews who died in the concentration camps, the other 1 million chirstians, gypsies, homosexuals & disabled people who died in them also don't matter, then you are every bit as bad as a holocaust denier.
At least the Jews didn't have their genocide made into a pre-movie featurette.
So basically you're perfectly ok with dehumanisation on the ground of age and development, just not on the grounds of religion- that's basically it in a nutshell. You also ignore the depopulation agenda of certain groups.
The evidence is there, even in observations of the unborn during abortion, that the pro-abortion propaqganda promotes genocide; yet I guess it's as easy for us to think of the unborn as parasites as it was for the nazis to think of your ancestors as "jewish dogs to be culled".
I don't think of foetuses as parasites, but as still one with the woman's body, hence the decisions over that body are ultimately hers.
Of course is complex, the so-called miracle of life makes it so that one becomes two, that's why society tried to find a middle ground.
What I think is that if many pro-lifers actually wanted to reduce abortions they would be campaigning for sex-ed and awareness, instead of slut-shaming women.
Simple, you have a law which permits the brutal murder of an entire group of society based on the common facotrs of age & physical development.
Furthermore, numerous feminists refer to the unborn that way.Also while the two lives are involved, that woman has a responsibility to her child which arguably overrides her rights, just as it does a father's in other situations.
Finally, most pro-lifers would agree that so much needs to be done to help pregnant women, but ultimately, murder is murder.
I think it's kind of pointless for us to argue, since we come from very different perspective and have very axiomatically different views. I don't believe life, or better personhood, starts at conception, not legally, not philosophically,not intuitively.
Biologically, there are conflicting views..fertilization, conception, when blood appears, yada, yada.
Religiously...I guess it depends on the religion, but no religions should impose their dogma on the law.
Funny, the Nazis had similar attitudes to the Jews & would respond the same way. This has nothing to do with religion, but about the fundamental human rights of all.
The moment you start imposing limits on what makes a person "human", you dehumanise & from there it's a very short & slippery slope to genocide- in this case 10 times the numbers that died in concentration camps.
Your whole argument is the equivalent of saying people should agree to disagree where social darwinism is concerned.
I red the mein kampf, the argument was hardly about denying personhood, it was actually about a perverted notion of Darwinism, ethnic selection and a weird interpretation of nietzsche.
It's not about limiting what makes a person human, it's about drawing a line on when personhood starts, between philosophy, personal morals, biology and culture.
With your criteria even sperms can be considered somewhat people and wanking into a sock murder.
And yet dehumanistation is exactly what happens with the abortion debate- it smacks of social darwinism. The fundamental way to define a human life is based on dna, and disposition. If the life form has 46 chromosomes of human dna ( slightly varied in the case of Down Syndrome) and a disposition to develop into a human then it is a person, which arguably means from conception. To believe otherwise is to believe in a variation of social darwinism. Also, my age is irrelevant here.
I asked your age only because I wanted to see if you would add 9 months to it...I think that could actually be strategy for getting into clubs eventually.
Life as a biological concept is not the only way to describe pershood, and even on that scientists disagree. Philosophy, logics,morals and experience come into play the very moment you deem human life more valuable (legally, morally, etc) than other life forms. Protecting human animals over other animals and life forms is itself a moral act.
The thing is though that we do define life biologically for the purposes of ondoning abortion, so the reverse must also apply as a counterargument. Furthermore I'm aware of studies which have been done, which monitored the child's response during an abortion in the first trimester.
In those studies, not only was the child's heart rate found to have risen as the procedure began, indication a "fight or flight" response, but the child was recorded as trying to evade the suction (well as much as you can at that stage of development.). That indicates an acute self awareness and awareness of their immediate surroundings. As self-awareness is the fundamental non-biological trait of personhood, it must be argued that at the point that is possible, personhood has commenced.
Going back to what I said earlier, it makes more sense now, you're a child, u have no idea what you're up against, ur idiocy may have worked on 16 yr old boy friend's, but it's a new game & privileged princesss r in for a rude awaking. U haven't seen anything yet. You should thank me, Im saving you from the embarrassment of coming at feminism in a covert manner, now u know, we are WAY ahead of the chameleon like adaptation of feminism. PEOPLE are waking up! Feminism is dead in 10 yrs.
your a joke, the leaders of the feminist movement WANTED BO over Hilary, the count on 1% of the male population to point to as "oppression of women" while at same time using these same men, MANY of them mangina's themselves to pull ladder up behind them to appease feminist. The smart LEADERS wanted BO while at the same time wanted you and the sheep to want Hillary.
I guess feminism is equal oppurtunity, they use EVERYONE. even there the hysterical laywomen like you.
Mangina? Seriously? Ok, it's not your type of person I'm talking to. Your vocabulary is full or gendered and hateful misconceptions, which is exactly the kind of culture which generates problem for both sexes. You're simply a sexist, but the difference is, just because I've talked to you know, it doesn't mean I will assume all MRAs are like you tomorrow.
Btw, I'm not even American, but I always preferred Obama over HRC.
lol, ironic you keep using the making reference to the black community the same community that daddy gov used feminism 1st to decimate over the last 40 years. Is this really your goal, let the whole country and marital relationships and the raising of children refelct what has happend in the black community?
I was making a completely different reference which had nothing to do with parenthood in the black community, you clearly didn't get the point. Try re-reading it.
mothers are the ones meant to take care of children, unfortunately feminism has created dynamic that make that almost impossible. talk to your sky daddy if you have a problem with this.
Second and third-wave feminists are hateful, egoistic and selfish individuals. They have very little in common with the original women's-suffrage movement.
PersianPaladin 14 hours ago
I always find this particular summary refreshing. Even so, why they are femiNAZIs is because of repeating the Big Lie. They are exactly swastika-waving evil bigots from the pit of hell. Family-wreckers, home-breakers, child-murderers, liars, cheaters, thieves, and a bunch of whores (they flat-out try to "take back the word 'slut,' or some such stupidity"). These people are so evil and have done so much damage that those who speak out deserve a medal. I should give you one of mine!
EvilsOfFeminism 2 months ago
All the feminists will keep whining and all the scared men will go along with it. Then they will start into killing men, just like the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. Forcing men to wear dresses, rubbing their cunts in our faces, forcing us to give birth to baby girls.
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HUH, TAKE THAT! :)
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wisdomtrek 4 months ago
With all of the talk about "biology" and "alpha characteristics", it's about 100% likely that this guy considers himself a "pick up artist". Judging by the general character of the pond scum who call themselves "pick-up-artists", I would say it's about 80% likely that he's committed at least one rape.
dark7element 6 months ago
@dark7element Yes brilliant deduction. If a male uses the words biology and alpha male characteristics in a 3:32 time period he must therefore consider himself a pick up artist. And if a male considers himself a pick up artist he is eighty percent likely to have committed at least one rape. Where can I learn more about this logic you use? It doesn't sound like logic to me. Would you call it meta logic or even super logic? This stuff is amazing don't keep it to yourself.
johnman1911 5 months ago
@dark7element
"100% likey" lol that sounds hilarious. But on a serious note if you've got a problem with "pick up-artists" write a book about it. You know that 80% of self proclaimed "pick up artists" have commited at least one rape. That should get all the feminists fired up once more.
stupidfeminazifoolz 4 months ago
See the truth about Jessica Valenti at register-her (dot) com
MRAGreatestHits 7 months ago
Hypocrisy is synonymous with the feminist movement. Feministing was giving advice on how to attack Naomi Wolf using the silk glove approach (the Mafia's preferred method of intimidation) Apparently some of the feminists have been getting too abusive in their attacks on Wolf for her comments regarding the Assange rape case. These stupid women will be arguing over irrelevant details while they're being loaded into cattle trucks heading for the nearest FEMA camp. Dumb or what ?
felixq78 7 months ago
Im really just curious how legislation passes in favor of one gender over another..I dont follow the logic there at all. That's literally the same concept as black/white seperate water fountains. Everyone gets the water..thats the equality. But the "other" fountain is for "you" people. Essentially from a brief overview that's the idea behind feminism (now). Why is sauce for the gander not sauce for the goose and vice versa? Wasnt a move to equality the idea, not a move to privledge?
Charliedonuts 8 months ago
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I have NEVER met a feminist who hated men. Feminists hate patriarchy. The assumption that feminists hate men is MISANDRY in itself, because it draws no distinction between patriarchy and men in general. To all my homeboys, (you know who you are) you KNOW I love you. I don't think that men should be called misogynists if they stand up for their rights (i.e., child custody), just as it is not fair to say I hate men for wanting to change my tire without being laughed at and told I'm incapable.
manysharptongues 9 months ago
@manysharptongues "I have NEVER met a feminist who hated men."
*cough*bullshit*cough*
That's enough right there. You're lying through your teeth, and offended I might lump you in with those 'other feminists'.
Which I will, whether you like it or not. So you might as well accept it.
At least until you PROVE otherwise. Saying shit is worth nothing.
factory2590 9 months ago 13
@factory2590 I Agree
how f*cking typcial
women are more prone to hating the oposite sex..... and femminists being the most sexist of women are the biggest man haters out there .
fireblazzerx 2 months ago
@factory2590, lol, exactly. Saying "I've never met a feminist that hated men" is like saying "I've never met a Christian fundamentalist that hated other religions".
KhagarBalugrak 1 month ago
@KhagarBalugrak Or "I've never met a nazi that hated jews."
LeftoverJedi 1 month ago
@manysharptongues Learn to change your own tire because you are gonna have to because of feminism.
johnman1911 5 months ago
@johnman1911 hahahaha, OH NO! I take it all back! Change a tire?!?!?!?!!! It's quite possibly the worst thing that's ever happened to me! How could I possibly jack up my car, loosen lug nuts, put my tire on and tighten them back up again?!!?!?!!! I take it all back!!!!!!!!! Oh, the humanity! Um...I already know how to change a tire, and have done so since I was 14, you presumptuous fuck.
manysharptongues 5 months ago
@johnman1911 Plain and simple: You hate women. It is easy to deduce. I am in love with a REAL MAN. One who is tough, strong, and doesn't need to put me down or condescend to make himself feel better, because he is secure in the fact that he is the shit. And his dick is bigger than yours, of this I am certain.
manysharptongues 5 months ago
@manysharptongues Good for you. Maybe one day you will argue actual points for your perspective.
johnman1911 5 months ago
@johnman1911 hahahahahahahaha, because "learn to change your own tire" is an argument, dripping with logical dialectic. Hipocrisy at its finest. Good day to you, Sir. You have been officially PWND.
manysharptongues 5 months ago
@manysharptongues You are showing openly to the world the effect feminism has on women.
johnman1911 5 months ago
@manysharptongues
What would you define as a REAL WOMAN?.
stupidfeminazifoolz 4 months ago
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I am female. Feminists are misandric idiots. Their arguments have no merit. However, neither do yours. Yours are just as misogynistic as theirs are misandric. Why not be equal and be misanthropic. ;)
randomquotage 9 months ago
@randomquotage False compromise again. Sorry, men have nowhere near the same rights as women in all sorts of areas. Until that changes, you'll have to deal with pissed off men. My question to you is, why do you think men should be happy where they are? You see us as subhuman or something?
factory2590 9 months ago 14
@factory2590 Nope. I agree that feminists don't want equality, they want special treatment. However, as men are inferior in many areas, so are women. I don't see men as subhuman. I don't see women as subhuman. History falls on the side of women, however in the "I'm more oppressed than you" argument, with the notable exception of a few matriarchal societies. BUT largely, they are irrelevant. Men and women both need to quit their bitching and be grateful for what they get.
randomquotage 9 months ago
@randomquotage women were privaldged not oppressed! way to much to say about this in a youtube comment bar, a good place to start would be a youtube search for The Myth of Woman's Oppression its a video from TheHappyMisogynist's
gyxx11 8 months ago
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An echo chamber? They just posted a positive interview this morning with a Republican male intelligent and open-minded enough to support women's rights. They didn't condemn him because he was male or Republican.
If you want to talk echo chambers; how many times can anti-feminists say the same catch phrases--feminazi, misandry, they expect us to pay child support just because we helped create the child, Yeah, they get raped and beaten up but we have to fix their cars, waaaah! Woe is us!
authoress1 10 months ago
@authoress1 Wow, you really hate men a lot hey? I'm not exactly surprised, frankly.
You serve as yet another fantastic example of feminist 'concern' for men though. So at least you can be added to THAT giant heap.
factory2590 10 months ago 7
@authoress1 for feminist usually, men are only good if they support your agenda and they dont speak to much against sorry but the only "feminist" blog so far who is really fair is hookingupsmart, and they dont hesitate to criticise both men and women including feminism, and some feminist critic even write there, the tone is good and in so far I didnt see any kind of male bashing, contrary on what happens at feministing.
Kenshiroit 10 months ago
@authoress1 yeah, like the feminist catch phrases such as "pervert", "misogynist", "objectify" etc?
yes, women get raped and beat up. but guess what? men can get beat up too! do you have this stereotyped view of gender in your mind in which men are bulky and muscular and can easily take care of themselves? men are every bit as likely to be attacked in a dark alley as women are.
and did you also know that men can be recruited into the army against their will? or were you asleep in history class?
33LB 3 months ago
@33LB Actually, men are three times as likely to be assaulted, AND to top it off, no one comes running to help if your a man, because "you can take care of yourself" and if it's a woman attacking you?! Well buddy, you had damn well better just stand there and take whatever she throws at you, because god help you if have the audacity to exercise self defense.
LeftoverJedi 1 month ago
@LeftoverJedi indeed. i've heard people say that men should be able to defend themselves and if they can't, then they deserve it for being weak. it's a shocking example of sexism. imagine if i said that women should learn karate to defend themselves from rape- i would be regarded as a sexist for that.
33LB 1 month ago
@33LB Exactly! It's just fucking astonishing what hypocrites they are.
LeftoverJedi 1 month ago
@authoress1 Wow. This is kinda the point being made here. Statistically speaking, men are signaficantly more likely to be assulted and be subjected to virtually all forms of physical violence than women. Also, statistics on rape do not include what goes on in male prisons which would more than likely yield some uncomfortable results for feminists.
TheLordmep 1 week ago
feministing is a coven of mysandric femmes. Every topik is filled by hatred of men, I remember one particular topik named : why men rape. Lot of women wrote their total and uncoditional hate against us. There were even some guys who were abused by women, but they got almust "killed" away by the biggots.
I find unconfortable that place, they censor opposing view and close the blog when it gets unconfortable. A shitty place! A monument to sexism!
Kenshiroit 11 months ago
Did you hear Jessica Valenti is quiting feministing to *ahem* "be a mother and write a book on the importance of family"?
I feel sorry for her boy
EarlFaulk 11 months ago
Sierramarysmucker asked me how second wave feminism could be guilty of perpetuating worse sexism than chauvanism. The answer is simple- chauvanism didn't have the equivalent of the SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) manifesto which actually called for the genocide of women the way that modern feminism does men.
Second wavers not only create a gender reversal of chauvanism but take it to the most misandrist place possible.
Bowspearer 1 year ago
Factory, you seem to be confusing drive with aggression. Drive and aggression are certainly related, but drive tends to be a more constructive impulse, compared to aggression which tends to be a combative one. Certainly both manifest themselves out of survivalism, however I would argue that drive is the proactive survivalist response, whereas aggression is the reactive equivalent of it.
Bowspearer 1 year ago
feminists pull stats out of thin air.
freeheretic111 1 year ago
@freeheretic111 If they do pull out stats from their lubricated lesbien asses just ask where the got it and has the sorce confirmed it.
CpsLock3 5 months ago
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sierramarysmucker 1 year ago
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I always care for the women and the many unspoken difficulties they are facing and going through in today's crazy society. And why some of these silly things also go set up and join feminist groups.
Girls and ladies are not meant to be put down or silenced, but rather they are meant to be loved and cared for, even in small ways that do mean a lot. This is how I feel.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
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SeventhSun 1 year ago
Ha! Thanks for speaking out! I've been reading her book and it's the most horribly written garbage I've ever read...no joke! I'm thinking of doing a book review video...or series of videos. My wife wants to get in on it too!
WolfSyndrome 1 year ago 2
2:23 True
sirkilo 1 year ago
Beautiful post!! I love it TOOOOOOOO much!!! I'm currently battling several fem-nazi's here on YT!! True stuff man,good job!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this video. You are absolutely correct in your observations about feminists. The Women's Studies programs in Academia is unique in that it is the only discipline that does not welcome or tolerate intellectual debate to question its conclusions.
freeheretic111 1 year ago
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sierramarysmucker 1 year ago
fight fight fight fight fight
Idesirereviews 1 year ago
Science is the new God. Only a few understand it, and most follow false prophets.
Markohoppis 1 year ago
It's hard to reject masculinity (alpha/beta concept) when it works. Women want to F the alpha and have the beta raise the kids. It's so sad that it works this way, but it *does* work. It's up to women to get rid of masculinity by not allowing it to work.
I was shamed for being an alpha all my life. I even had a fem-teacher organize a "round table" classroom discussion just because of me lightly teasing girls. But you know what? It works.
TareanSmiley 1 year ago
Hey factory2950, you tell the truth man.
If feministing wasn't censored, I'm pretty sure most of their "Important News" would get smoked by logical responses in the feedback.
0Francine0 1 year ago 2
Interesting video, Stupid comments, lots of laughs.
Kaligulasucks 2 years ago
I think it's interesting that sites like feministing are so popular, Given that everytime i read comments on the site there is almost no diversity in opinion. Oh how i laugh, you will have 10-20 people saying the same thing in different ways, It's such stimulating debate!
That's why i will always prefer masculist sites, Even if i am 100% opposed to their ideas, At least i won't be censored.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago 2
I somewhat agree with you. I think in theory it would much more productive and correct for them to allow a discourse between different views; although it's hard to do that when for every politely disagreeing comment you get a 100 " go make me a sammich, c***".
I think that, if we were to looking deeper and actually communicate, we would notice how many goals feminists and non-chauvinists MRAs have in common.
TheDC82 2 years ago
And if Feminists hadn't just spent 15 years telling us we have no legitimacy, that men do not have problems, and that Feminism is definitely NOT responsible for anything IF men do have issues - if they hadn't done that, consistently, from the beginning all the way up to present day...THEN you might have a point.
You don't though.
Hell, look at you...you'd rather defend the reputation of your ideology than work toward ending this travesty that Feminists call "equality".
factory2590 2 years ago
I defend the reputation of the ideology , which doesn't mean I defend certain turns that the movements has taken.
I think that men, as a sex, do actually have problems, concerning divorce, parenthood and the lack of resources and awareness to violence/rape against them, but I think that fighting against gender stereotypes and a divisive gender binary could work to solve them. That's why I wish feminists and some MRAs would see how much they have in common instead of fighting each other.
TheDC82 2 years ago
It will not be MRA's reaching out first, We do not need feminists to retain our popularity, They need MRA's to retain theres. And when MRA's do achieve equality it will be without feminists, As factory has pointed out, Not once in the last 15 years did they feel compelled to help our cause. Now that we are gaining popularity and are about to make achievements, They want their slice of the pie. But they didn't help bake it.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Feminists could at any time make their own movement to end injustices against men, Renderring our movement entirely useless, But they won't because that is simply not what they are about.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
It is actually.
Fighting gender stereotypes and patriarchal institutions has EVERYTHING to do with helping single fathers and male victims of violence.
When fatherhood is not supported because mothers are perceived as the ones meant to take care of children and households and male victims of violence or rape don't have resources because the it's felt like men don't need protection THAT'S a gender stereotype and a consequence of patriarchy.
TheDC82 2 years ago
How can patriarchy hurt men? I don't actually believe we live in a patriarchy, Not just because there has been no evidence for it, but because i see prisons full of men, I see almost exclusively men on death row, How could a society that treats men far worse then women be considered patriarchal? A society that ignores men as victims and expects them to die for their country.
Does that sound like patriarchy or matriarchy?
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
I don't believe we live in a literally patriarchal society either, but I do think that our society still has many patriarchal elements that do hurt both sexes.
Embracing force, dominance and assertiveness in men more than in women, specially in the black community, is a great part of what generates the violence and yes, also the cultural and court bias. And this is very much a patriarchal left-over.
TheDC82 2 years ago
Our society has far more matriarchy elements then patriarchy elements. So the point is moot.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Ehm, such as?
TheDC82 2 years ago
You didn't read my last post?
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
I did and explained to you how in my opinion those occurrences are, at least partially, a result of a patriarchal culture.
TheDC82 2 years ago
So why is patriarchal culture hurting men more then women? Why is it only men expected to die for their country? Why is it only men who get denied help at domestic violence shelters? Why is it only men subjected to the draft?
I don't understand how these are more patriarchal then matriarchal occurences.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Because the cultural paradigms responsible for these issues are those of the embracing of force, violence and endurance as typically and only male virtues.
TheDC82 2 years ago
That doesn't qualify as patriarchy
A patriarchy would know that men are no more violent then women, It would know that men are just as vulnerable as women, This would benefit men
And patriarchy is about benefitting men no?
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
OK but men have come MUCH further mentally in overcoming r biological instinct to be violent then women have in overcoming their biology to be manipulative&dishonest as a way for their survival. Men have largely broken their chains, while feminism rewards females for keeping theirs.
At same time interfering with progress of males by raising boys into criminals & EXACTLY the opposite of what men have involved into WITHOUT as much direct influence from (signal mothers) &pop culture FEMISNIM
ORVX 2 years ago
Overcome? What, pray tell, is wrong with aggressive male traits? People depend on those all the time, in the military, at work, in the home...
Masculinity is NOT evil, testosterone is NOT a poison.
It's hateful feminist propaganda you're repeating there...not reality.
factory2590 2 years ago
You don't know what's wrong with aggressive traits?
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
No...spell it out for me.
Is it the drive, the ambition that comes with aggression? How about the fierce protectiveness that is only made possible by aggressive traits.
Anger is a justified response to injustice and oppression. Should we remove anger from the world, because it's "aggressive"? How would we cast off the shackles of oppression? Why is anger and aggression only OK in women?
Think about it.
factory2590 2 years ago
Well I'm totally fine with men being aggressive and angry if they have good reasons to like protecting your country or being oppressed by the country you protect, But that isn't really the same as aggressive traits, Aggressive traits will make sure you are aggressive weather you have a good reason or not.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Every successful businessman alive has aggressive traits. Nearly every one of your ancestors had aggressive traits, because they are necessary to survive!
Women tend to see no need for them, because women have almost never, in the history of mankind, needed to be aggressive. They had men for that.
Don't kid yourself, this "anger is evil" approach is very much part of the emasculation of our society. Trying to turn us into Sweden, where the men sit to pee..
(shudder)
factory2590 2 years ago
"every successful businessman alive has aggressive traits"
How?
There is a difference between ambition and aggressiveness, The ends. The ends of aggressiveness are ALWAYS hurting someone. The ends of ambition usually don't. Most businessman don't hurt people physically.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Sure there is. You can have all the ambition in the world, but if you're not aggressive enough to go out there and take what you work for, ambition counts for shit.
factory2590 2 years ago
What do you mean by "go out there and take what you work for"
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
You have obviously never worked in commissioned sales.....
factory2590 2 years ago
I haven't.
I don't see how you "Take what you work for"
You are given what you work for.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
lol
ORVX 2 years ago
yep, ambition is a PC myth of what counts concocted by the same feel good warm fuzzy language feminist created.
ORVX 2 years ago
What you described were protective traits.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
No, they're aggressive traits. It's not "protective" to go out there and earn a ton for the fam. It's not "protective" to build a civilization...it's the drive to do more, get better, succeed.
Aggression.
I get it that you have a problem with aggression. I don't, and many share my view that this pogrom against anger is merely a way to further control the populace.
factory2590 2 years ago
I addressed that in my previous post, it is protective to earn money to feed your family, You are protecting their life.
And it is protective to build a civilization, Usually for your wife and childrens benefit.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
That's collectivist thinking. The vast majority of society was built on the backs of one group taking shit from another, amassing wealth, and funding research on better stuff, so that they can take the next group's shit.
Aggression is fundamental to the human condition. And don't forget, all it takes is a power outage to make aggression a necessary human trait...
factory2590 2 years ago
"The vast majority of society was built on the backs of one group taking shit from another, amassing wealth, and funding research on better stuff, so that they can take the next group's shit."
How does that have anything to do with my post?
It gives a hypothesis on how society was built, It doesn't in the slightest contradict my hypothesis which is WHY society was built.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Well, frankly, this topic bores the shit out of me. I don't share your fear of aggression...let's leave it at that.
factory2590 2 years ago
Well i still find it interesting.
I don't see why you wouldn't fear aggression, Aggression manifests through violence and It's obvious why we would fear violence.
Aggression becomes a problem in ones own country when countrymen starting killing countrymen, But protectiveness is only violent when threatened, Thus it is ideal.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Yes, I'm young and I also come from a privileged background, but the simple fact that I haven't experienced a given struggle doesn't mean I don't care about it.
Also that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you: I do not think that you benefit from a patriarchal culture.
I'm not sure if you're trying to deny that women were EVER oppressed, if so, that seems delusional..
TheDC82 2 years ago
it's context you twit, it's not oppression if your very survival depends on it.
at the same time, it's only releative to what men faced. I don' think being the one to who gets to check on the the group of people in the front yard with sticks and rocks is really the oppreOR.
ORVX 2 years ago
lol, a rich 17 yr old twit living off daddy's money wants to explain to us, how the world really works. not that you ever had creditability with your reference to you'RE or anything else you have said, but now you fit nicely in the a nice little category of little Rich Bitch. Daddy probably wanna of them mangina so bizy getting served by mommy to give realize he is culpable in the destruction of the WEST as he pull up the ladder for other men.
ORVX 2 years ago
And even that was just examples of elitist behavior.
The vast majority of men past and present, Work for the benefit of their wives and children.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
You mean besides the fact that men were oppressed into being told that they should ONLY posess those traits & that they're the epitome of failure the moment they act in a "feminine" manner?
This is where I think some MRAs get it so wrong. If you attack the radical feminists for villainising us for being in a cage but celebrate the cage, all it does is get rid of one stereotype problem for men while exacerbating the other.
Yes masculinity should be celebrated, but ALL of masculinity!
Bowspearer 2 years ago
The only people compressing men into rigid gender roles are women. Feminism COULD address that, but then doing so would undermine the "empowerment" that they've built on the backs of self-loathing men.
As for "celebrating the cage", well, that's bullshit. Plain and simple.
MRAs have no interest in continuing the past either. We just believe our take on things does not require men "admit" to their failings before any meaningful change is warranted.
No more jumping through hoops...
factory2590 2 years ago
You're wrong on that score. It actually goes back to at least the Roman Empire and the oppressive stoicism men were put through and possibly right back to fundamental survivalism.
Feminists just found an easy target in our oppression and blamed us for it- which is as bad as sick and depraved hypocracy gets.
It's not about "admitting to failings"- but about realising that the alpha male in itself was a supression of the vast majority of emotions that men experience.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
You're right when you say that that the traits of alpha malehood shouldn't be villainised, but then neither should anything else that men feel. That's the problem with viewing the alpha male as the pincle of masculinity, it denies everything else which is equally valid.
We need to move away from the concept of the alpha male, to the concept of the COMPLETE male, which values ALL of the emotions and traits which men have, not just the select few that either traditionalists of feminists allow.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
It's not Feminists, but women in general that "demand" alpha characteristics. It's part of biology.
And, unlike Feminism, I do not seek to alter human nature to suit my political agenda.
I see where you're going with the "not only Alphas are worth something", problem is, most of society agrees with that statement...
Betas are the "ladies in waiting" of the male world. Omegas...well, they're workhorses.
Neither of those positions are acceptable.
factory2590 2 years ago 7
And yet where does the "alpha" position leave domestic violence and child abuse sufferers who are male the moment the abuser is female but viewed as a pathetic joke and being at fault for being so pathetically weak.
You're wrong about society, the go beyond the "not only" argument to ridiculing and despising men who aren't alpha's while villainising men who are- I reject every one of those oppressive notions outright!
Bowspearer 2 years ago
The reality is that we need to reject every concept of masculinity from alpha to omega and replace it with something all encompasing, which values both alpha characteristics and everything else- anything less doesn't truly celebratre masculinity.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
I see where you're coming from. I just think you're WAYY into the curve
factory2590 2 years ago
I don't deny for one minute that I'm thinking incredibly long term (I plan on doing a phd on this issue once i'm done with my undergrad degree in history), but that's the thing.
Feminism was an abject failure because it only looked at the superficial, mistook it for the fundamental, and festered in sexist hatred as a result- meaning that feminism did nothing to address gender inequality at a core level.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
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sierramarysmucker 1 year ago
If the men's movement is to TRULY succeed, it needs to look past the here and now while acting in the here and now to initially get rid of the blame men face for being oppressed, but doing so in a way that it becomes a launching pad to get to the timeless oppression of men and make fundamental and lasting change. Otherwise we too will have only succeeded in overcoming the superficial while completely failing to overcome our gender oppression and value all that men have to offer.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@factory2590 Actually since then it seems that people like Paul Elam have joined me there. I'll now quantify this abstract argument with something concrete. Alpha, Beta and Omega maledom are all prisons of one kind. What men need to embrace is Zeta maledom.
Bowspearer 1 year ago
@factory2590 yes, I know several girls who demand that men stop being so powerful and alpha - so they hook up with some guy who sucks up to them and is not very alpha. Then a few years later they are looking for a husband that will actually fix the car, repair the house, use tools like men tend to do. Why is it that many feminists are such hypocrites and cannot think logically - it is possibly genetic. Dr James Watson has some good points, that are politically incorrect.
HugNow 1 year ago 4
@HugNow
Not cool how you called women "girls" in your post.. but called men, men.
forpeaceandloveman 1 year ago
@forpeaceandloveman many girls hate the word women. Your nitpicking is not appreciated. In no way did I intend it to degrade women by calling them girls. The word girls is more playful and means essentially the same thing. If I see a woman on the street I can call her a girl or a woman. Girls and guys is OKAY. Girl doesn't necessarily mean child, whereas boy is more dedicated to mean child. Also, fuck you.
HugNow 1 year ago
@HugNow, this is because women expect the contradictory and the impossible these days. They want a man who is "confident" and "not afraid to be himself", yet they want a man who is easy to control, is entertaining at all times, and fulfills their every demand. Such a being is a walking contradiction, an impossibility. If you are a confident person, you don't put on an act whenever someone wants to be entertained. If you're easy to control, you're either retarded or lack confidence.
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
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sierramarysmucker 1 year ago
@factory2590 "Manginas" are what you're describing! LOL!!
RedSkullthagreat 1 year ago
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sierramarysmucker 1 year ago
You are welcome to make your own list of injustices against women, Seeings as this is the oppression olympics and whoever wins gets to call society a patriarchy or a matriarchy.
Lolz
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
The democratic primary was enough of oppression olympic for me, I gotta get over that one first.
What I'm trying to say though it's a different thing. Patriarchy =/= something that oppresses women and favours men, not necessarily and not today at least.
A patriarchal culture entails some specific cultural paradigms, some of which I've listed before, that, in today's society, indeed hurt men too: male force, males having to be the providers, showing affection having a negative connotation...
TheDC82 2 years ago
Ok But your examples of patriarchy don't benefit men at all so how can you call it patriarchy?
On the other hand they make sure that men are oppressed.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
More then women that is, It is men who bear the brunt of your examples of patriarchy.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Well, no. Both sexes do. Domestic violence and rape still effect women to a much greater degree.
Of course there's more to it on both sides, but fighting to show who has it worse really brings us nowhere. Wouldn't it be better to just realise that gender stereotypes and inequality are a BAD thing for everyone and work to get rid of them?
TheDC82 2 years ago
you might want to do some research before you spew your hysteria and "information"
I can believe a FEMISNIT just said "fighting to show who has it worse really brings us nowhere" lol your a joke, a foolish little girl.
ORVX 2 years ago
Can't you tell I have a problem when this approach comes from feminists too? I just don't think it's a good strategy. Nor is insulting random people on the internet, when you have zero idea if they're either foolish, little, or girls.
TheDC82 2 years ago
then why aren't you over at feminist,com having a debate, liar, your just like all other feminist, maybe just a little more ashamed of taking ownership of the hatered you spew.
ORVX 2 years ago
I do that, not at feministing because it's not my cup of tea, but in my own community.
TheDC82 2 years ago
you will understand if I have to again call you a liar. one parent saying to other "don't hit him in the face, you will leave marks" does not make one of the parents virtuous
ORVX 2 years ago
? Both sexes get drafted? Both sexes are imprisoned at the same quantity? Both sexes are sentenced to death row as much as eachother? Both sexes are denied help from domestic violence shelters at the same rate?
These issues are about as gender neutral as rape. And men account for almost half the victims of dv yet they do not even get 1/40th the help women get, (going by the states that allow men to seek help from dv shelters)
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Both sexes get raped equally? both sexes die as often as a consequence of domestic violence?
There's shit on both sides, but as it indeed comes from the same source, is it really important to fight over who has it worse instead of just fucking do something about it?
TheDC82 2 years ago
most women that are seriously hurt, are the result of first strike DV by the female partner.
as far as fight over who gets it worst. MRM is only a response to the GAME FEMISNT CREATED. we don't make the rules but we are going to win the GAME!
ORVX 2 years ago
"both sexes get raped equally"
"These issues are about as gender neutral as rape"
Please read, If i hadn't pointed out that before you, It would have been a witty reply.
How the fuck does drafts,imprisonement,domestic violence shelters, And rape
All come from the same source?
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Actual, in way, I think they do.
The celebration of force and aggressiveness as a male virtue, the idea of men being responsible for the protection of women and children and at the same time not needing protection themselves all come from a certain mindset, which is patriarchal (the mindset, which is still mainstream, but not necessarily all aspects of our society).
TheDC82 2 years ago
do u really thing anyone of the 3 of us would have a problem with you if your real agenda was simply to help men realize they need more "ME" time, lol. your attempts are a hollow as your soul.
ORVX 2 years ago
u say this, but at the same time you'RE the same type of women who votes to artificially prevent men from doing this for sole purpose of being able to dogmatize and spit in mens face when the cant live up to this mission because of what feminist have created.
open your own dam door!
ORVX 2 years ago
Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for males aged 18-25. In all other age groups, it is the third.
Men kill themselves 4 times as often as women.
Men live an average of 5 years less than women. There are 13 Offices of Women's Health in the US, and none for men.
DV shelters had to be FORCED to serve male victims at all. Many shut down in ideological protest.
There are 132 scholarships for girls in my city, and 3 for boys (2 are actually for both).
When do we get our turn?
factory2590 2 years ago
If you were really serious about knowing what our position is, and finding common ground...you would have gone to d'load the magazine already. That is, after all, one of it's purposes...to explain to Feminists why we take the stance we do.
In it, there is an essay by Fidelbogen entitled "Is Feminism a Hate Movement".
I suggest you read it.
That is IF you are actually serious. If you're simply here to try and waste our time, just ignore what I said and refuse to read it.
(holding breath)
factory2590 2 years ago
factory you should post the link in ever vid description box, I know I tried to get this but had a problem a while back.
ORVX 2 years ago
I'm reading your blog, haven't found the mag though, basically coming to the conclusion that a bit of the disagreement is on genetics and a lot is on semantics...
Anyways...I'm not an activist, I have no interest of luring you into feminism, just telling you what I think.
1990Juls 2 years ago
I've posted a link in the description box to this, and a bunch of other videos.
Hope you find the read informative. Issue 2 is a couple weeks out yet...
factory2590 2 years ago
Juls we are on to 3rd waive, pretending you are something other when what your are, a racial feminist does not work. We are not deer and will not assume because you wear camouflage your simply part of the forestry.
lol guys think, I think this is why we are gonna win this battle sooner or later, they are making them younger and dumber, "THEY" are them and have no idea, lol.
ORVX 2 years ago
LOL, I'm not sure what a racial feminist is, I'll have to sat that I don't have clear, developed opinions about this, since I ended up here got curious. I'd say he's (not you though) got a point generally, but I'm so much into discussing doctrine on youtube comments.
Paranoia much?
1990Juls 2 years ago
defending feminism is radical, period. I would say the same thing if you had posters of Hitler on your wall!
ORVX 2 years ago
Erm, you said "racial", not radical, I actually thought the definition existed, but I wasn't sure what it meant. I'm not defending anything, I just wanted to read the bloody magazine. I'm not going to argue feminism with you, because honestly I'm not educated enough about the subject and also because, as someone with Shoah survivors in her family, your comparison, and by default you, disgust me.
1990Juls 2 years ago
GOOD be offended, maybe if more germans had been offended Hiter & Nazism would not have surrvived in it's assualt on humanity. Like I said, we see through U, we know the game feminist now play, it amazes me that these twits keep acting supprised when they are called on their hatred. FEMINIST= MAN HATRERS. Feminisim indocrinates the mindless, sleeping and short sided. If not for feminist, women could have a bigger piece of pie. A larger % of a shrinking pie does not add up, DO THE MATH.
ORVX 2 years ago
Honestly, from what I've red and saw the guy from this channel, even if my gut feeling would be to disagree with him on a couple of stances, mostly makes sense and has reasonable claims; I don't think being linked to people like you does him any good.
1990Juls 2 years ago
he's not linked to me, men can hate feminist for all kinds of reason's. he may or may not try to foster dialog with you, but in the end he see through you also.
If you want to put the label of agnry white guy on me, have fun, even though I in no way fall into this categroy I am happy to play this role. Wild eyed feminist did it 40 yrs ago, and worded for them. On top of it I have truth and rigteousness on my side!
ORVX 2 years ago
I didn't really want to foster dialogue, because I'm no activist of any kind, I'm 18 and just trying and starting to form opinions about things.
I don't care about your colour or your level of anger honestly, I just don't think it's a good idea for people I consider reasonable, regardless of how much I agree or disagree with their stances, to associate with folks who make light of the holocaust. That one is just a deal-breaker for me...
1990Juls 2 years ago
lol, youre a fool, no one made light of the holocaust, I didn't even mention the holocaust, I talked about Nazism a political methodology that lead to fascism and the occurrence ,ULTIMALY, of the Holocaust. Feminism is exactly the same thing and has already allowed for the dehumanization of millions, just like the Nazis did with the Jews. Many thought killing Jews was like what feminist think of killing 8 month old babies. Call them a Jew or a fetus so we can kill them.
ORVX 2 years ago
Let's leave it at the fact that I find your comparison between Jewish people and foetuses highly offensive, not so much from the prospect of being pro-choice, but from the prospect of my heritage. I don't care about discussing abortion with you and I care very little about feminism being dead in ten years in the west, but you should think about what kind of historical tragedies you bring up before you do so.
1990Juls 2 years ago
wrong answer scum bag, u are so sick that you don't even view killing an 8 month old FETUS (hope that makes scumbag happy) as horrendous. Thankyou for being my example, Hitler thought of Jews just like you think of a "fetus", nothing but something to be disposed off, just as easily as letting them live.
U WILL BE VIEWED in 100 yrs as U view HITLTER TODAY!
FYI, I don't give a goddam what u care to discuss! get your stinky ass off if you don't want to talk about the evil you endorce.
ORVX 2 years ago
* backs away slowly*
I'm done, my original comment was not directed at you, this channel or video is not about abortion and I think you're just a tiny bit delusional.
But, hey, have a nice life...
1990Juls 2 years ago
it about the disease feminism and all the symptoms that go with it, killing BABIES, one of the worst. I know is must suck that moment you begin to realize some look at you as you look at hit Nazis, trust me 100 yrs from it will be the norm, c ya later stinky, don't let the door hit ya in your gigantic ass.
no I don't wish u a nice life, I wish you the same life at you wish upon millions of fetus's
ORVX 2 years ago
@1990Juls I'm sorry but how is it not relevant?
The way traditional abortions work is by, when a child is able to survive being born prematurely, we stab them in the back of the head & suck their brains out; when a child is fully able to feel pain, we slowly dismember them with a pair of forceps & pliers; when the child is fully self-aware & aware of their own body we tear their body apart using suction 29 times more powerful than a household vaccuum cleaner.
It's just as bad as Mengler!
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer
I'm not sure I understand, you're talking about killing born preemies?
1990Juls 2 years ago
@1990Juls Furthermore there have been an estimated 50 million abortions which have taken place are 10 times that of the number of jews who died in the holocaust.
In addition, if you think that because of the 5 million jews who died in the concentration camps, the other 1 million chirstians, gypsies, homosexuals & disabled people who died in them also don't matter, then you are every bit as bad as a holocaust denier.
At least the Jews didn't have their genocide made into a pre-movie featurette.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer
Of course the other categories that were persecuted, tortured and killed as a result of the Nazi doctrine matter just as much, it goes without saying.
But I think the difference between us it's I just don't think that aborting a foetus is the same thing as persecuting, torturing and murdering PEOPLE.
Also the Nazis had the goal of ethnic purity, a programme and racist motives; people don't have abortions for those reasons.
1990Juls 2 years ago
So basically you're perfectly ok with dehumanisation on the ground of age and development, just not on the grounds of religion- that's basically it in a nutshell. You also ignore the depopulation agenda of certain groups.
The evidence is there, even in observations of the unborn during abortion, that the pro-abortion propaqganda promotes genocide; yet I guess it's as easy for us to think of the unborn as parasites as it was for the nazis to think of your ancestors as "jewish dogs to be culled".
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer
Who said anything about age?
I don't think of foetuses as parasites, but as still one with the woman's body, hence the decisions over that body are ultimately hers.
Of course is complex, the so-called miracle of life makes it so that one becomes two, that's why society tried to find a middle ground.
What I think is that if many pro-lifers actually wanted to reduce abortions they would be campaigning for sex-ed and awareness, instead of slut-shaming women.
1990Juls 2 years ago
Simple, you have a law which permits the brutal murder of an entire group of society based on the common facotrs of age & physical development.
Furthermore, numerous feminists refer to the unborn that way.Also while the two lives are involved, that woman has a responsibility to her child which arguably overrides her rights, just as it does a father's in other situations.
Finally, most pro-lifers would agree that so much needs to be done to help pregnant women, but ultimately, murder is murder.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer
I think it's kind of pointless for us to argue, since we come from very different perspective and have very axiomatically different views. I don't believe life, or better personhood, starts at conception, not legally, not philosophically,not intuitively.
Biologically, there are conflicting views..fertilization, conception, when blood appears, yada, yada.
Religiously...I guess it depends on the religion, but no religions should impose their dogma on the law.
BTW, how old are you?
1990Juls 2 years ago
Funny, the Nazis had similar attitudes to the Jews & would respond the same way. This has nothing to do with religion, but about the fundamental human rights of all.
The moment you start imposing limits on what makes a person "human", you dehumanise & from there it's a very short & slippery slope to genocide- in this case 10 times the numbers that died in concentration camps.
Your whole argument is the equivalent of saying people should agree to disagree where social darwinism is concerned.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer
I red the mein kampf, the argument was hardly about denying personhood, it was actually about a perverted notion of Darwinism, ethnic selection and a weird interpretation of nietzsche.
It's not about limiting what makes a person human, it's about drawing a line on when personhood starts, between philosophy, personal morals, biology and culture.
With your criteria even sperms can be considered somewhat people and wanking into a sock murder.
Again, how old are you?
1990Juls 2 years ago
And yet dehumanistation is exactly what happens with the abortion debate- it smacks of social darwinism. The fundamental way to define a human life is based on dna, and disposition. If the life form has 46 chromosomes of human dna ( slightly varied in the case of Down Syndrome) and a disposition to develop into a human then it is a person, which arguably means from conception. To believe otherwise is to believe in a variation of social darwinism. Also, my age is irrelevant here.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
I asked your age only because I wanted to see if you would add 9 months to it...I think that could actually be strategy for getting into clubs eventually.
Life as a biological concept is not the only way to describe pershood, and even on that scientists disagree. Philosophy, logics,morals and experience come into play the very moment you deem human life more valuable (legally, morally, etc) than other life forms. Protecting human animals over other animals and life forms is itself a moral act.
1990Juls 2 years ago
The thing is though that we do define life biologically for the purposes of ondoning abortion, so the reverse must also apply as a counterargument. Furthermore I'm aware of studies which have been done, which monitored the child's response during an abortion in the first trimester.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
In those studies, not only was the child's heart rate found to have risen as the procedure began, indication a "fight or flight" response, but the child was recorded as trying to evade the suction (well as much as you can at that stage of development.). That indicates an acute self awareness and awareness of their immediate surroundings. As self-awareness is the fundamental non-biological trait of personhood, it must be argued that at the point that is possible, personhood has commenced.
Bowspearer 2 years ago
@Bowspearer You really have to quote your sources if you want to use that as an argument.
Anyways, as I've said, we're at opposite ends, I'm no activist, it's pointless for us to argue.
Good luck to you,
cheers.
1990Juls 2 years ago
Going back to what I said earlier, it makes more sense now, you're a child, u have no idea what you're up against, ur idiocy may have worked on 16 yr old boy friend's, but it's a new game & privileged princesss r in for a rude awaking. U haven't seen anything yet. You should thank me, Im saving you from the embarrassment of coming at feminism in a covert manner, now u know, we are WAY ahead of the chameleon like adaptation of feminism. PEOPLE are waking up! Feminism is dead in 10 yrs.
ORVX 2 years ago
Not patriarchy maybe, but cultural elements deriving from what's historically been a patriarchy.
TheDC82 2 years ago
your a joke, the leaders of the feminist movement WANTED BO over Hilary, the count on 1% of the male population to point to as "oppression of women" while at same time using these same men, MANY of them mangina's themselves to pull ladder up behind them to appease feminist. The smart LEADERS wanted BO while at the same time wanted you and the sheep to want Hillary.
I guess feminism is equal oppurtunity, they use EVERYONE. even there the hysterical laywomen like you.
ORVX 2 years ago
Mangina? Seriously? Ok, it's not your type of person I'm talking to. Your vocabulary is full or gendered and hateful misconceptions, which is exactly the kind of culture which generates problem for both sexes. You're simply a sexist, but the difference is, just because I've talked to you know, it doesn't mean I will assume all MRAs are like you tomorrow.
Btw, I'm not even American, but I always preferred Obama over HRC.
TheDC82 2 years ago
lol, ironic you keep using the making reference to the black community the same community that daddy gov used feminism 1st to decimate over the last 40 years. Is this really your goal, let the whole country and marital relationships and the raising of children refelct what has happend in the black community?
ORVX 2 years ago
I was making a completely different reference which had nothing to do with parenthood in the black community, you clearly didn't get the point. Try re-reading it.
TheDC82 2 years ago
mothers are the ones meant to take care of children, unfortunately feminism has created dynamic that make that almost impossible. talk to your sky daddy if you have a problem with this.
ORVX 2 years ago