Bishop Yvette Flunder speaks at 2009 Creating Change conference (Full speech, part 1 of 2)

[MsHyewonHye]

Religion has caused the downfall of many nations. Most of the retoric that Christians speq is unfounded and used to catapult their own ignorance. Why have we as African Americans continued to follow a doctrine that was given to our ancestors by slave masters? The black church is still brainwashed. if some of you would get your minds out of peoples bedrooms and focus on our true purpose, which is to take care of ourselves and this earth, we would be allot better off. I applaud Bishop Flunder!

[methodistangel]

She is sooooooo confused!!!!!!!!!!

[browneyez1979]

@methodistangel She is set free from this modern day hypocrisy which Jesus opposed 4,000 years ago. Speak the truth Bishop because the black church is responsible for not supporting the struggle of HIV AIDS epidemic because of the fear and the confusion within their own interpretations of the scriptures. She is sooooooooo far from confused. This is the truth for every human being.

[lovelylexa99]

I can't believe this! Gods word will never change. God does love everyone but he will always hate sin.

[dmandmusic]

Same gender loving? No its homosexuality its gay its lesbianism..totally against Gods word

[dmandmusic]

2 Tim 3- The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears they will heap up for themselves teachers

[musiqman2006]

show me in scripture where homosexuality or lesbianism is sanctioned by God??

[browneyez1979]

@musiqman2006 Show us in scripture where Jesus condemns homosexuality or same gender loving people, and from his own own words and not from the Apostle Paul. FYI It's not there

[bluetiffara]

@browneyez1979 read genesis 1:27-28, genesis 2:20-23-GOD found no suitable helper for Adam,then GOD made a WOMAN , from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.GOD MADE A WOMAN FOR THE MAN NOT A MAN FOR THE MAN!!!!-GOD loves us all but SIN IS SIN!!!!

[b2chapter]

@browneyez1979 Jesus didnt have go speak on the matter of homosexuality because the issue was settled: Don't do it. Anything Jesus spoke on clarified matters that needed clarifying -- love, worship, sowing/reaping, the Kingdom that was near... he didnt teach about Murder, Homosexuality because there was no confusion on the matter.

[kat21sd]

I have always felt apart ,never fitting in anywhere & people always telling me I was not worthy of God ,I have Been to Bishop Yvette Flunder church in SF & I felt the love of God There & exceptance ,I do not live in Sf but I go been going there for 5 yres at Christmas & new year for the last 5yrs & I feel at Home

[blkorpheus]

eveyone can share their views until they are blue from the lack of oxygen opposing or agreeing with how someone of hetero, homo, and all the above only God knows the truth.

[biggdogg305]

@blkorpheus well shes married to a woman so......

[rashad1018]

For all of you who oppose her...she speaks the truth, you will never understand what you have not lived. She is saving lives...what are you doing. I'm sure talking loud and doing absolutely NOTHING!

[msscott73]

I can sing, dance, lobby, fry chicken, and chaange oil. :-D. I love that.

[montellia]

I think it was Ghandi who said if he had never met a christian he may have become one. Christians don't have a clue of the damage they have done to people because of their judging and God has something for them all because God is love but all they see is flesh,maybe they should start to tremble themselves because most of them have missed the mark and don't even know it.

[foxymamma03]

Im all for equality...but the truth is in the word, sin is sin big or small, God's word is right no matter whose mouth it comes out of, I noticed someone put thumbs done on opinonatorX and SoldoutGodchaser's comments, but whether you like it or not it is a sin to be Gay, its either holyness or hell there is no inbetween. Thats not sayin that bein gay is the worst sin ever and that we cant love them, cause that would be wrong. We have no right to judge anyone that is already taken care of my God

[LogicBound]

People don't seem to understand the concept of the WORD of GOD, we are ALL the word of god for good or ill, for wrath or mercy. All of us are his children whether children of his wrath or of his mercy. The letter of the law kills but the spirit of the law gives life. And the spirit is what declares love others as your very own soul. Don't trade a BOOK for the spirit in which it was intended.

[nuttinbutchurch]

A wonderful Godly woman who really knows truth and the true nature of Scripture.

[jawdrummer128]

And she's gay

[SoldoutGodchaser]

Pray for all who are apart of the gay Christian movement. They are not out living foot loose and fancy free. In their minds and in their hearts, they are serving God. They read the Word, study the Word, Praise, Worship. They do so many things God desires but this scriptural interpretation..... Lord help. Don't let people who believe they are serving you go to hell. Don't let their living be in vain. This is my prayer.

[opinionatorX]

Where does the word come into context with what she teaches? Don't get me wrong. I love her and all people in Christ Jesus. But Yahweh's word have been around for thousands of years. Why do people change it? Romans 1:16-32 makes it very clear. Also See 2 Thessalonians 2:11. The bible predicted that this time will come. There is a great falling away of the faith in Christ Jesus. Repent! Hell is not worth this type of rejection of Yahweh's word and what his son Jesus died for. The bible is clear.

[SoldoutGodchaser]

Well I don't hear a lot from the Bible The Word of God when I listen to her either. I am not going to pass any judgment on her regarding her sexuality. All I will say is Where is The Word of God...Preach the Word...

[opinionatorX]

You don't have to pass judgment on her sexuality. God already has because it is sin. She is indeed homosexual. She is one like many falling for the lie of satan. It's sad being that the word of Yahweh has been around for thousands of years but they who reject Yahweh reject his truth and except all types of perversion. Read the scriptures that i have posted in the previous comment. Yah bless!

[SoldoutGodchaser]

The question is how do you help those who you believe or lost toward salvation. The answer is not in making them feel bad and condemned. Christians really need to seek God in the correct way to lead people who do not believe they are lost. I have a special heart for her and those like her. Christians need to be known by our LOVE.

[opinionatorX]

I actually agree with you 100%. But where does line get drawn? Miss Flunder like many have absolutely no intention of changing how they feel(Satan's Deception) Yahweh has made them. So yes! We should love to all sinners and not condemn. But does this mean that we be totally quiet and don't give them Yahweh's truth? Some people do need tack. But the lie is so excepted that even if you approach in love and patience. You still can't win. So that soul appears to be lost. Yahweh doesn't tolerate sin.

[SoldoutGodchaser]

I honestly don't have an answer. I have been seeking God to give me the answer. What is the correct approach? Bishop Flunder does not believe she is wrong. She believes she is serving God. You are telling her to repent when she believes she is saved. Telling her to repent won't help. Beyond the fervent prayer of the righteous which The Word says availeth much. I don't really know the answer. I love Bishop Flunder. I want to see her in heaven. I don't want her living to be in vain. Pray Pray

[opinionatorX]

I totally understand your feeling. But your answer is in Yahweh's word the bible. Flunder and others used the same word to uplift the GLBT movement (satans lie) but reject it in the same motion. This is very sad. I would love to see Flunder and all in heaven as well. I don't hate anyone. But Yahweh's word is Yahweh's word. Sin changes Yahweh's meaning. See Rev 22:-18-19. Peace be unto all! Christ Jesus is soon to return!

[SoldoutGodchaser]

With all due respect. If the answer is just spelled out in Gods Word, then why don't you know the answer. "Repent, Jesus is returning", is not going to change any gay Christians that believe in their heart that they have already repented and are going to heaven. Pray for them and pray for an approach to this situation that actually works. I don't claim to have all the answers but trust me, the repent line is not helping. I don't think that you hate I only think you have an ineffective approach.

[opinionatorX]

Have you read the scriptures that I've posted earlier in our exchange? Please read them and tell your feeling or what you interpret from them. These particular scriptures tell exactly why people do what they do as it pertains to sin.The problem is. Even though it really is spelled out in the bible.They don't believe Yahweh enough to give up the sin. It's that simple. How can you get any one to see what they don't want to see. It really can be a lost cause. Also see 1John 2....It's clear!

[emergentgreg]

OpinionatorX, my suggestion, as a 30+ year Evangelical Pastor, Theologian, and person relatively fluent in the English language, is that you should really not only attempt to get beyond your deeply implanted fear of "otherness," but also, if you truly intend to make your faulted opinions known while appearing at least somewhat credible, learn the needed English writing skills to do so.

[opinionatorX]

Uh....Yea....Okay! I won't waste my time with you. Read the scriptures and lead not unto your own understanding. Stop changing Yahweh's meaning!

[emergentgreg]

Further, friend, if you are going to be so bold as to quote scripture inappropriately out of context, please quote it correctly, at least. Proverbs 3:5, which is the scripture you were intending to quote, in case you didn't know, does not say, "lead not unto...", but rather, "lean not on..." It is already a grotesque injustice to inappropriately wield scripture as a weapon, even worse out of context, and worst of all, to misquote the scripture in the first place. Caution, please...

[musiqman2006]

God hates sin. Bottom line. Get right or get left behind.

[msscott73]

God love so the world. God Is Love. I God Hate sin more than he loves the world than salvation through Christ by God is woefully to save and sustain. If you believe god is love, how can love hate more than he own ability to love. The message "God hates sin" not gospel that is why it is responsible for deaths of so many.

[musiqman2006]

God hates??? Read Amos 6:8 The Lord GOD hath sworn by himself, saith the LORD the God of hosts, I abhor the excellency of Jacob, and hate his palaces: therefore will I deliver up the city with all that is therein.

[musiqman2006]

Romans 12:9 [Let] love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Abhor is another word for "To hate"

Lev 20:13 If a MAN ALSO LIE WITH MANKIND, AS HE LIETH WITH A WOMAN, BOTH OF THEM HAVE COMMITTED AN ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

What was an abomination then is still an abomination today. God loves the sinner but he will not tolerate the sin of the sinner.

[emergentgreg]

Even more reason for you to become dear friends with gay people since, if any sin they may have will cause them to "get left behind," the sin you have will most certainly cause you to be left behind with them.

[biggdogg305]

@emergentgreg 1Cor. 5:11 - 'But actually, I wrote to you not

to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or

covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler, not

even to eat with such a one.' ALL THE MORE REASON NOT TO BECOME DEAR FREINDS WITH GAYS

[bluetiffara]

@emergentgreg THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO REPENT AND ASK GOD TO HELP YOU WITH THAT "SIN" NO MATTER WHAT IT IS:HOMOSEXUALITY, LYING, CHEATING, WHOREMONGING, ECT.