Grandstanding (although few and far between in this summit), is an attempt to manipulate the American people, and I find it a bit insulting. It's obvious that a bill requires a lot of pages. I'm also thankful that the Republicans read it very carefully and are engaged in amending certain parts of it. That's what a good government does. However, I believe the Republicans (not all of them) have already decided not to pass the bill no matter what. This is also very unfortunate.
I believe they held the summit because the Democrats are extremely interested in getting the Republican view points so they can include them into the bill. It also seemed like a "meeting of the minds" in once place so they can all get their facts straight. The fact that the Democrats are going for it is very inspiring to me, seeing how I'm self employed and cannot afford health insurance. Making the insurance companies compete for my business will absolutely drive the prices down.
Wow, amazing thoughts. Wrong huh? I'm so glad you presented a valid argument to prove your point. Health care is an abomination in this country. Not only the costs associated with health care but the way it is run. Getting everyone in a pool is a great idea to lower costs. Preexisting conditions is another great idea to hold the insurance companies accountable. And not being able to deny coverage is another idea to stop health care companies from abusing their customers. Period.
getting everyone into a pool is a good way to get a staph infection, not to fix healh insurance. Insurance companies have every right to decline coverage to anyone. By doing so, they control costs to the rest of their customers. It's like Pemco auto insurance. They only insure drivers with flawless records, which keeps auto insurance premiums to a minimum. You can't complain about the cost of premiums and then turn around and ask for more coverage. More coverage isn't free.
Except that health insurance ISN'T a vehicle. It's a person's life we're talking about. Health insurance isn't a privilege it's a right. OR SHOULD BE. The fact that costs aren't going down for healthcare in the current system proves your logic doesn't work for health care. The cost of premiums is directly relative to the skyrocketing prices of healthcare. The reason for this is because we have a 3rd party paying the bill. Healthcare wouldn't be so expensive if individuals had to pay themselves.
Getting rid of insurance isn't an option anymore, and premiums need to be lowered. A large pool does this. It helps offset the costs of the sickest, by insuring the healthiest also. Insurance companies are taking advantage of our country. Yes people will be required to buy health insurance, so they will pay more than they are currently, but that will offset those that need it the most. Everyone has a responsibility to our country AND our healthcare.
g0dvollie you are missing the point completely. I've already shown you the insurance companies are making a net profit of 3.4% on average. You could throw the entire planet into a pool, and the most it could reduce costs is by the margin being made by the insurance companies; or are you saying that the 300 million people in the US who are insured isn't a large enough sample?
no it shouldn't be a right, because people will abuse the policies worse than they already do, and how does the cost of health care prove my logic doesn't work? In California, they passed a law forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions, and rates went up over 30%. If insurance companies are forced to cover more costs, premiums have to rise.I don't see how your argument disproves anything I said.
Amazing debate. I think the real issue is, Republicans agree with a lot in the bill. But they want to start over anyway. I believe that they would rather choose their own bill instead of start over. If you agree on so much, why would you want to start over? The bill has already been put together from scratch, why would doing the same thing a 2nd time be any different? I kept hearing the Republicans say they had differences on how to get there, but I didn't hear very many ideas.
the republicans don't agree with most of what is in the bill. That's nonsense perpetrated by the Obama camp. The only area of agreement lies in the fact that there is a problem, and it needs fixing.
Sadly, neither side is addressing the real problem. The costs of care
the costs of care can only go down once there is a mandate for everyone to have care.. which most repulicans used to agree with but for some reason don't anymore, my guess is because obama adopted the idea and they don't want to agree with him on anything
what kind of nonsense circular logic is that? Are you telling me that integrated health records requires insurance? Are you telling me that annual prescription reviews require insurance? I don't care about Obama, I don't care about republicans vs. democrats. What I care about is implementing reform that will actually work. Changing insurance, or requiring everybody to have insurance (which is NOT constitutional), is a band aide. The cost reductions from that are 1 time and short lived.
There's a reason for that, being a student of economics many of the prorpsals by the democrats are downright self destructive. So it's reasonable to principled against many of those positions.
I don't really get why they can't scrap the bill, why even have the summit if you're gonna force it trough anyway. It tkaes about a month or so to take the issues they do agree on and put it into legislation, then after that they can debate things like the public option.
This was a very intellectually stimulating summit. The American people need to make more time to understand the issues under debate. Wile the Democrats appeared at times desperate and forceful in pushing there bill they did a far better job of attempting to communicate and exchange ideas. The Republicans on the other hand were clearly motivated in every thing they said by politics. Trying to score political points, insight fear and offer nothing of substance.
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rosalindasampley 5 months ago
WOW! I made it! I watched all 7 parts...only took me four weeks!
Lightboxes 1 year ago
Obama & Tiger Wood . . .take out the paint on their faces. . . .100% Mongols skin.. ..nick hoangvingcali1 told me !
dmtau 1 year ago
Grandstanding (although few and far between in this summit), is an attempt to manipulate the American people, and I find it a bit insulting. It's obvious that a bill requires a lot of pages. I'm also thankful that the Republicans read it very carefully and are engaged in amending certain parts of it. That's what a good government does. However, I believe the Republicans (not all of them) have already decided not to pass the bill no matter what. This is also very unfortunate.
g0dvollie 2 years ago
I believe they held the summit because the Democrats are extremely interested in getting the Republican view points so they can include them into the bill. It also seemed like a "meeting of the minds" in once place so they can all get their facts straight. The fact that the Democrats are going for it is very inspiring to me, seeing how I'm self employed and cannot afford health insurance. Making the insurance companies compete for my business will absolutely drive the prices down.
g0dvollie 2 years ago
wrong. Insurance companies are already operating on thin margins (average is 3.4%), and the margins for individual plans is less.
The problems of high premiums isn't the insurance companies, but rather the cost of care.
YOU CAN NOT FIX THIS PROBLEM BY ATTACKING INSURANCE. Costs have to be reigned in, period!
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
Wow, amazing thoughts. Wrong huh? I'm so glad you presented a valid argument to prove your point. Health care is an abomination in this country. Not only the costs associated with health care but the way it is run. Getting everyone in a pool is a great idea to lower costs. Preexisting conditions is another great idea to hold the insurance companies accountable. And not being able to deny coverage is another idea to stop health care companies from abusing their customers. Period.
g0dvollie 2 years ago 2
getting everyone into a pool is a good way to get a staph infection, not to fix healh insurance. Insurance companies have every right to decline coverage to anyone. By doing so, they control costs to the rest of their customers. It's like Pemco auto insurance. They only insure drivers with flawless records, which keeps auto insurance premiums to a minimum. You can't complain about the cost of premiums and then turn around and ask for more coverage. More coverage isn't free.
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
Except that health insurance ISN'T a vehicle. It's a person's life we're talking about. Health insurance isn't a privilege it's a right. OR SHOULD BE. The fact that costs aren't going down for healthcare in the current system proves your logic doesn't work for health care. The cost of premiums is directly relative to the skyrocketing prices of healthcare. The reason for this is because we have a 3rd party paying the bill. Healthcare wouldn't be so expensive if individuals had to pay themselves.
g0dvollie 2 years ago
Getting rid of insurance isn't an option anymore, and premiums need to be lowered. A large pool does this. It helps offset the costs of the sickest, by insuring the healthiest also. Insurance companies are taking advantage of our country. Yes people will be required to buy health insurance, so they will pay more than they are currently, but that will offset those that need it the most. Everyone has a responsibility to our country AND our healthcare.
g0dvollie 2 years ago
g0dvollie you are missing the point completely. I've already shown you the insurance companies are making a net profit of 3.4% on average. You could throw the entire planet into a pool, and the most it could reduce costs is by the margin being made by the insurance companies; or are you saying that the 300 million people in the US who are insured isn't a large enough sample?
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
no it shouldn't be a right, because people will abuse the policies worse than they already do, and how does the cost of health care prove my logic doesn't work? In California, they passed a law forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions, and rates went up over 30%. If insurance companies are forced to cover more costs, premiums have to rise.I don't see how your argument disproves anything I said.
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
Amazing debate. I think the real issue is, Republicans agree with a lot in the bill. But they want to start over anyway. I believe that they would rather choose their own bill instead of start over. If you agree on so much, why would you want to start over? The bill has already been put together from scratch, why would doing the same thing a 2nd time be any different? I kept hearing the Republicans say they had differences on how to get there, but I didn't hear very many ideas.
g0dvollie 2 years ago 2
the republicans don't agree with most of what is in the bill. That's nonsense perpetrated by the Obama camp. The only area of agreement lies in the fact that there is a problem, and it needs fixing.
Sadly, neither side is addressing the real problem. The costs of care
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
the costs of care can only go down once there is a mandate for everyone to have care.. which most repulicans used to agree with but for some reason don't anymore, my guess is because obama adopted the idea and they don't want to agree with him on anything
lindseyjunebug 2 years ago
what kind of nonsense circular logic is that? Are you telling me that integrated health records requires insurance? Are you telling me that annual prescription reviews require insurance? I don't care about Obama, I don't care about republicans vs. democrats. What I care about is implementing reform that will actually work. Changing insurance, or requiring everybody to have insurance (which is NOT constitutional), is a band aide. The cost reductions from that are 1 time and short lived.
maxbusinesscredit 2 years ago
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Quantumcube 2 years ago
I take that back the Republicans did offer some good ideas what I meant to says was They were not willing to compromise on any thing.
Quantumcube 2 years ago
There's a reason for that, being a student of economics many of the prorpsals by the democrats are downright self destructive. So it's reasonable to principled against many of those positions.
I don't really get why they can't scrap the bill, why even have the summit if you're gonna force it trough anyway. It tkaes about a month or so to take the issues they do agree on and put it into legislation, then after that they can debate things like the public option.
The democrats are in a hurry.
Visfen 2 years ago
the View count is so low.
This was a very intellectually stimulating summit. The American people need to make more time to understand the issues under debate. Wile the Democrats appeared at times desperate and forceful in pushing there bill they did a far better job of attempting to communicate and exchange ideas. The Republicans on the other hand were clearly motivated in every thing they said by politics. Trying to score political points, insight fear and offer nothing of substance.
Quantumcube 2 years ago
was that an endorsement to walmart? Walmart sucks they don't have the best deal. I proved it many times. ppl do your comparison shopping.
lamrof 2 years ago