Bernards vocals as bad as ever, hes singing like some third rate Butlins singer. Not good enough to sing joy division songs or anywhere near, after Movement should have bought in a proper singer, or as they did perfectly well on Movement took turns with songs which suited them best.
One thing you don't get is that Bernard is not trying to sing like Ian..it wouldn't make sense cuz only Ian can sing like Ian. There's no such thing as bad singing as long as you sing from the heart. That's how Ian felt which was why his voice sounded like shit..yet we couldn't get enough of it.
@Guevaristas Stereolab is right...learn a little more about Ian and realize that he probably would have loved this transformation of music...think about it, Ian changed the lyrics of all his songs over and over again at gigs which showed that he enjoyed diversity. He wasn't some emo prick who disallowed anyone to touch his music.
see your point but "would have" is hypothetical. Who knows for sure what Ian would think, except Ian.
Joy Division were big in new zealand funny ay? lol. NZ was being controlled by a right-wing government, there was high unemployment etc. Those years were chronic.
Albums like "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" are utterly unrepeatable. They belong to that context, that time period.
They can repeat those albums, but not their context
bah... i still have to find a good version of isolation.. I don't really like neither the original one, that keyboard sound is fucking shitty. but the lyrics are amazing.
Stiil, the original in its analog glory eclipses this rendition. Bernard Sumner is good, but he doesnt capture the icy desolation Ian Curtis could translate into word and sound
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This is a JD song they should've left alone methinks... the synths are... horrid. I'm quite glad the guitar came in at the end, made it sound much better
Be grateful you get to see NO do these tunes once or twice a show. They could have stopped playing all JD songs in 1980, and no one would ever get to see them live by the original band.
This is the camp-fire version I suppose. Its hard to fault it as not respectful, all considered, but, really, it is up tempo crap in the final analysis.
SO WHAT its done better with Ian but dont you ever forget NEW ORDER IS JOY DIVISION minus IAN. By rights ist New order songs and they can do whatever they please. Give kudos for playing it live.
i'm not sure new order should do joy division songs. JD songs worked because of Ian Curtis's deep, haunting vocals and just sounds odd when NO do it with synths and Barny's vocals.
please, do not get in anger but I do not complete agree: Joy Division were not identifyin with Jan Curtis (that is real for other bands) but also Peter Hook and the others component. "Isolation" from the "Closer" album clearly shows the Pop Intuition. The voice is not that, deep and ethereal of J.C. but in the "original" version there are synth. I like more the "Closer", but this is very good (try also Therapy? version: very interesting)
I think it's more respectable that they tried to create the song their own rather than try to imitate Ian Curtis' voice and leave the song unchanged after 20 years.
Isolation was released on the Joy Division album Closer. Listen to that version.....killer bass. Do you prefer Stairway to Heaven by Rolf Harris? The didgeridoo is so much better than Jimmy Page!!!
i'm sure barney cares what you think of him...he is a passionat guy - you just don't get it...keep your stupid observations to yourself... NO Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amongst all these dim comments you've summed Bernard up brilliantly! I've seen NO live several times since early '81 and he does ALWAYS look and sound like he's not interested in anything!!
Pages of New Order and many Joy Division. Naught of this f/Ian. My god, I heard this on a weak college FM and it was my first time for either version of the group. If I can only get the audio up with a screen, I suppose it shall be my first upload.
shit
version of the cavestompers is much better
MrFeelgood95 2 months ago
Whether in JD or NO guise, my God they were special...
AlexHales 8 months ago
crazy shit! D-:
potchoker 1 year ago
Fucking excellent.The best JD rework I've ever heard/seen by the Order.
abagail4me 1 year ago 4
Bernards vocals as bad as ever, hes singing like some third rate Butlins singer. Not good enough to sing joy division songs or anywhere near, after Movement should have bought in a proper singer, or as they did perfectly well on Movement took turns with songs which suited them best.
birdandthe 1 year ago
@birdandthe
One thing you don't get is that Bernard is not trying to sing like Ian..it wouldn't make sense cuz only Ian can sing like Ian. There's no such thing as bad singing as long as you sing from the heart. That's how Ian felt which was why his voice sounded like shit..yet we couldn't get enough of it.
AttractedADA 1 year ago
early 1980s was hardcore, Killing Joke, Joy Division, very dark even sinister bands. Everything appeared to be gloom and doom.
If you want to re-create that in a high-tech light show, have a go, but it will not suck-seed
Guevaristas 2 years ago
@Guevaristas Stereolab is right...learn a little more about Ian and realize that he probably would have loved this transformation of music...think about it, Ian changed the lyrics of all his songs over and over again at gigs which showed that he enjoyed diversity. He wasn't some emo prick who disallowed anyone to touch his music.
AttractedADA 1 year ago 2
the synth is not cold enough and it sounds too techno.
Only Ian can sing those songs, and he's dead
Guevaristas 2 years ago
@Guevaristas Utter nonsense, friend. Ian loved the advance of synth technology and would have loved this.
And you said it yourself; he's dead.
It doesn't mean we shut away the songs on ice.
Stereolabdream 2 years ago
see your point but "would have" is hypothetical. Who knows for sure what Ian would think, except Ian.
Joy Division were big in new zealand funny ay? lol. NZ was being controlled by a right-wing government, there was high unemployment etc. Those years were chronic.
Albums like "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" are utterly unrepeatable. They belong to that context, that time period.
They can repeat those albums, but not their context
Guevaristas 2 years ago
HI SKpenneywise, try Therapy?'s version, look it up on last FM, its awsome, or did you just mean a joy div / new order version you like ?
neilwearing20 2 years ago
bah... i still have to find a good version of isolation.. I don't really like neither the original one, that keyboard sound is fucking shitty. but the lyrics are amazing.
skpennywize 2 years ago
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9871MINI 2 years ago
MINI, I truly hope you're joking.
rockhead261 2 years ago
Stiil, the original in its analog glory eclipses this rendition. Bernard Sumner is good, but he doesnt capture the icy desolation Ian Curtis could translate into word and sound
helixjc 2 years ago
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PetShopMod 2 years ago
Why ? it's their song !!
pierrebarraud 1 year ago 5
The end is the best part (when the guitar comes)
Mygalej 2 years ago 5
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This is a JD song they should've left alone methinks... the synths are... horrid. I'm quite glad the guitar came in at the end, made it sound much better
walonsubi 2 years ago
great version of great original
HigherLoveBand 2 years ago 5
ahh.....I miss the holy voice of Ian Curtis, just not the same, still great though
CommonSin 3 years ago
Be grateful you get to see NO do these tunes once or twice a show. They could have stopped playing all JD songs in 1980, and no one would ever get to see them live by the original band.
leeraconteur 3 years ago 5
nice guitars in this version
caiofons 3 years ago 2
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This is the camp-fire version I suppose. Its hard to fault it as not respectful, all considered, but, really, it is up tempo crap in the final analysis.
molloyx 3 years ago
sounds okay but not even half as good as the original.
sugaryourmind 3 years ago 2
It's funny how it's the same band.But they evolved after Joy Division.
Mexitron2000 3 years ago 13
If Ian was alive you would say the same thing.
ady10001 2 years ago
Amazing song
Squab1972 3 years ago 2
was gillian pregnant at the time?
sokmonkey77 3 years ago
They changed the name but deep in their hearts they are still Joy Division :-)
alanagius 3 years ago 21
Oui je suis bien d accord avec toi.
sinik75 3 years ago
SO WHAT its done better with Ian but dont you ever forget NEW ORDER IS JOY DIVISION minus IAN. By rights ist New order songs and they can do whatever they please. Give kudos for playing it live.
weirdalfan1980 3 years ago 5
nah, they are going through the motions . . .
MisterSlacker 3 years ago
I don't think they were ever going through the motions when they placed JD songs, they just seemed to mean too much to them for that.
SimonWaldramMusic 3 years ago 3
this sounds most like new order out of the joy division songs anyway, i think this is a brilliant cover
mansell863 3 years ago 3
i'm not sure new order should do joy division songs. JD songs worked because of Ian Curtis's deep, haunting vocals and just sounds odd when NO do it with synths and Barny's vocals.
ErniePi 3 years ago
please, do not get in anger but I do not complete agree: Joy Division were not identifyin with Jan Curtis (that is real for other bands) but also Peter Hook and the others component. "Isolation" from the "Closer" album clearly shows the Pop Intuition. The voice is not that, deep and ethereal of J.C. but in the "original" version there are synth. I like more the "Closer", but this is very good (try also Therapy? version: very interesting)
hypnosphere 3 years ago
I think it's more respectable that they tried to create the song their own rather than try to imitate Ian Curtis' voice and leave the song unchanged after 20 years.
MozzaC 3 years ago
he looks like ricky gervais lol
nufc86 4 years ago
Fantastic version
zbiry 4 years ago
"...this is my one lucky prize"...b-rule-iant!
99isagoat 4 years ago
The keyboards are really great. I wish Gillian had joined the band before Ian died.
Bernand's singing doesn't have the same intensity as Ian's but you can't have everything I guess.
johnk42 4 years ago
A good point.
Then again - how do you match Ian? Bernard never did...but I still love New Order.
AlexHales 4 years ago
lol - I've seen Bernard have to reset the synth after every song. She didn't have a clue!
thornyken 3 years ago
Isolation was released on the Joy Division album Closer. Listen to that version.....killer bass. Do you prefer Stairway to Heaven by Rolf Harris? The didgeridoo is so much better than Jimmy Page!!!
thornyken 3 years ago
Gillian as icy as ever, but Bernard looks and sounds like he's not really interested in the song or its performance...
Efrasnel 4 years ago
Bernard always looks and sounds like he's not really interested about anything...
lpoursoi 4 years ago
i'm sure barney cares what you think of him...he is a passionat guy - you just don't get it...keep your stupid observations to yourself... NO Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cuculainn57 3 years ago
erm, I meant that in a comedic manner and as a big fan of NO with total respect for Barney & Co. calm down a little bit, it was only a joke.
lpoursoi 3 years ago
sorry - i get a little excited as NO are and were a huge part of my life...cheers, jackie
cuculainn57 3 years ago
Amongst all these dim comments you've summed Bernard up brilliantly! I've seen NO live several times since early '81 and he does ALWAYS look and sound like he's not interested in anything!!
Thejimbobs 2 years ago
fucking awesome! luv the original and this one too
sugarhed 4 years ago
the keyboardings is better,but not the voxs.
goldenryano 4 years ago
Pages of New Order and many Joy Division. Naught of this f/Ian. My god, I heard this on a weak college FM and it was my first time for either version of the group. If I can only get the audio up with a screen, I suppose it shall be my first upload.
steadfastcoward 4 years ago
ian's dead, though ive been trying, via the ouija board, to get in touch. havn't had any luck yet.
wilfredowen777 4 years ago
Good luck with that. Will never happen.
Unless you knew him well, there is no way.
jaidemm 4 years ago
They need Ian.
greenfury87 4 years ago
Awesome song.
BlastastiC 5 years ago