Se o vídeo é de Sumi Jo,temos que comentar a respeito do que está sendo visto.Comparar com outras cantoras é mais do anti ético.Sumi Jo tem um timbre inigualável,extensão e etc. E outras cantoras tem tambem seu potencial.
this is ridiculously inappropriate. just because she had high notes doesn't mean she should be singing this at all. Sumi Jo has no business singing this. as far as damrau, that is a DRAMATIC coloratura, which is what the role is written for. This isn't a cute little ditty. She's sending her daughter out to murder someone under penalty of being disowned. "light" is in no way part of this aria.
@adia216 Diana Damrau is a lyric-coloratura, not a dramatic-coloratura, she just has a heavy voice. Edda Moser is a real dramatic-coloratura, and her Queen of the Night is the best, in my opinion.
Anyway, in Mozart's time the tuning was a bit lower, high F was more or less like the modern high E, so it was very easier to find a dramatic voice able to reach it. Nowadays a dramatic-coloratura with high F is very rare, so we have to use lighter voices, or forget this beautiful role.
@3F93 not sure how Damrau is lyric and "heavy". I've never seen her live, so I don't judge. Just know she was doing Lucia at the Met, so going towards the heavier with her.
Totally agree on the tuning, which is why we have so many "period" orchestras now performing these types of operas. Also have issues with voices being pressed so hard to be bigger than they really are and losing the ability to move or drop the weight on top. Back in the day, same soprano would sing this and Aida at a house.
@adia216 I meant to write 'heavier', not 'heavy', sorry. I meant Damrau has a heavier voice than Jo. Jo is a leggero, the canary-type soprano with little, light and agile voice that is comfortable with the highest notes; Damrau is a lyric-coloratura, she still has a lot of agility and can reach the high notes, but has a bit warmer and louder voice, The only dramatic-coloratura soprano that sang this role and I can think of is Edda Moser. Sutherland as well, but in Eb, a whole tone lower.
@3F93 dramatic means that they have a heavier quality in their voice that is why they are called lyric dramatic coloraturas then you have light lyric coloraturas which she definitely is not. I am a coloratura and my voice is definitely not heavy like hers and I am a light lyric to be precise
@adia216 What are you talking about? If you want to get technical about fach and style, a dramatic soprano should NEVER sing this. Mozart music is not big music. It is refined, not big. Sumi sounds amazing as the Queen and does a great job delivering the music with the correct Mozart style. Just cause she's not yelling it doesn't mean she's wrong.
Yes, it's exciting to hear big voices do this aria, but it should never be reserved for them.
@REBECCAtheSOPRANO 1st:. re-read. I didn't say a dramatic soprano. I said a dramatic coloratura. 2nd: i use the term loosely, because that's what we have. I'm not one of those "omg, you have to stay in your fach" people. I believe that the voice should do what it can deliver solidly. Sumi Jo doesn't do that for this role. Maybe she can do it in something like Hoffmann, or Entfuhrung, but this is not for her.
so many other factors inc. new tuning, etc. would be happy to discuss with you =)
she said recording this version was very hard to her. because it' original version. different from that of devised version we know very well and most singers sing including Sumi Jo in other stages. this version' key is lower than revised version of 19century and really 'come scrito'. and remember in Mozart's time 'there was no concept like 'Dramatic Soprano'. still so many castratos sang on stage for heavy voice
she said recording this version was very hard to her. because it' original version. different from that of devised version we know very well and most singers sing including Sumi Jo in other stages. this version' key is lower than revised version of 19century and really 'come scrito'.
She and Damrau are easily my favorite at playing this role. Putting one over the other is near impossible though, Sumi Jo retains the crazed nature of the queen while keeping this aria as beautiful. Personally I see it this way. Sumi Jo interpreted the Queen as more evil than insane, Damrau interpreted the Queen as more insane than evil, and both have a place in my heart
Ich habe Sumi Jo mal Live gesehen, in der Rolle der Königin der Nacht, damals kannte ich si gar nicht, und dachte nur "Oh Gott!, ob die das schafft?" denn habe ich sie gehört und war so begeistert, das ich mir gleich eine CD gekauft habe, auf der sie die Königin der Nacht singt!
Sumi Jo und Diana Damrau, sind die besten Königinen der Nacht, die ich je gehört habe!
An outstanding voice! You have to listen to her "Doll Song". It's one of the most difficult songs to sing and I can't find a word for her performance! It's awesome!
Celle-là, je l'aime bien. . Un quart de ton trop bas peut-être, mais cela ne fait rien. Elle exécute cet air avec une aisance et une légèreté qui le transforment.
is not exactaly a half tone lower, but a quarter toner, pitch 425 Hz ! I think is pretty fantastic! Like Damrau too ... but are different people ... and there are place for both to sing!!!!
Beautiful voice. I've heard rushing on the scale, but this is to the extreme. She seems to be having a race with herself to get the finish of the song as fast as she can.
I quite agree with some of the people make notes on her version of Queen of the night. Her voice may be dramatic and pretty but not quite right for the role. It has to be the voice of most cruel as merciless muderer, cold as ice and dark as winter night but her voice doesn't have any of those element. I felt that she has technique but singing with no emotions when she had concert at Wigmore hall in London in 90s. That was a pretty boring concert
Ihre stimme ist wunderschön, sie singt es mit einer Leichtichkeit, was vielen Sopranistinen nicht gelingt.
Man hört das sie diese Arie ganz ohne mühe singen kann.
Leider kann ich mir eine Asiatin auf der Bühne sehr schlecht als Königin vorstellen!
Aber sie ist genial, ihre stimme ist der inbegriff eines Soprans, wenn ich nicht wüsste das es sowas nicht gibt, würde ich sagen das sie perfekt ist.!
Du kannst dir eine Asiatin als Königin nicht vorstellen - wieso das? Kathleen Battle - eine Schwarze - sang Pamina. Grace Bumbry - ebenfalls eine Schwarze - sang die Venus, und das in Bayreuth! Placido Domingo sang Otello - einen Schwarzen! Und wie viele Aidas waren tatsächlich schwarz? Tut mir leid, aber deinen Kommentar finde ich ein wenig daneben.
Oh, ich habe dich auch nicht so verstanden, dass du sie nicht mögen würdest. Wieso du sie dir aber nicht auf der Bühne vorstellen kannst, kann ich aber nicht nachvollziehen. Das einzige Problem, das sie haben könnte, sind die Dialoge... Aber mit den schlagen sich ja auch andere ausländische Sängerinnen herum.
Denke jetzt bitte nicht, ich würde dich angreifen wollen, das ist wirklich nicht der Fall.
Vielleicht, muss ich sie mal auf der Bühne sehen als Königin der Nacht, um mich eines besseren belehren zu lassen..
Es fällt mir eben doch schwer mir die Königin als Asiatin oder Farbige vorzustellen, aber das auch nur aus dem grund, da ich noch keine in der Rolle gesehen habe...
i saw in the internet as i m a opera mania. the experts of the opera, has came out with the conclusion of who is the best person who sings der holle rache. it is sumi jo. it is neither damrau or moser or whatever
@ClaudiaSwann great comment,Claudia. I like listening to different versions when I am in different moods...sometimes Sumi Jo, sometimes Rita Streich ,Edda Mosser or Diana Damrau but never Florence Forster Jenkins, thats just too sad. jk
@ClaudiaSwann I like Sumi's sound better as a singer, but Diana's is more convincing in the part of the Queen- but they're (as you said) equally talented overall :)
she has sung a bit lower. the real one is the best in the world - the expert says that her f is the best until now and nobody has a better or good f as her. in fact sumijo's f is bette than damrau's
es una version un poco extraña... la voz es muy dulce, pero no me gusta la coloratura tan rapida y sin tanta potencia, diez mil veces a la damrau prefiero, y sinceramente de sumi jo rescato mucho arias como violeta sempre libera y doll song, probablemente lo mejor que le he oido..
Nope, checked with the piano and against other recordings.
It'd be degrading Mozart if Sumi sang it in a lower key, after all this is 15 years ago, you could say she was approaching her prime, it wouldn't be her if she transposed :)
THe only common recording with a transposition (no one dares transpose the big F) is Joan Sutherland's, she's so wonderful in many other aspects it doesn't even matter she doesn't have the F. It's an exception cause she's La Stupenda :)
Not so dramatic, very weak, light voice, ive heard so many better queens
jaina1992 3 months ago
Se o vídeo é de Sumi Jo,temos que comentar a respeito do que está sendo visto.Comparar com outras cantoras é mais do anti ético.Sumi Jo tem um timbre inigualável,extensão e etc. E outras cantoras tem tambem seu potencial.
Marcelosopro 8 months ago
Finally, a perfect "Zertrümmert" ;-)
doomfeather 9 months ago
The best triplets I've heard; most sopranos gloss over them with legato. Cristina Deutekom comes close, although her triplets tend to warble.
Sensorie 9 months ago
diana would be perfect with sumi's f and sumi would be perfect if she had dark voice. however, you know,, sumi has a light voice.
sumimimi0 9 months ago
My one of fav song from her... love her voice so much...
shimmyjung 11 months ago
this is ridiculously inappropriate. just because she had high notes doesn't mean she should be singing this at all. Sumi Jo has no business singing this. as far as damrau, that is a DRAMATIC coloratura, which is what the role is written for. This isn't a cute little ditty. She's sending her daughter out to murder someone under penalty of being disowned. "light" is in no way part of this aria.
adia216 11 months ago 2
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3F93 10 months ago
@adia216 Diana Damrau is a lyric-coloratura, not a dramatic-coloratura, she just has a heavy voice. Edda Moser is a real dramatic-coloratura, and her Queen of the Night is the best, in my opinion.
Anyway, in Mozart's time the tuning was a bit lower, high F was more or less like the modern high E, so it was very easier to find a dramatic voice able to reach it. Nowadays a dramatic-coloratura with high F is very rare, so we have to use lighter voices, or forget this beautiful role.
3F93 10 months ago
@3F93 not sure how Damrau is lyric and "heavy". I've never seen her live, so I don't judge. Just know she was doing Lucia at the Met, so going towards the heavier with her.
Totally agree on the tuning, which is why we have so many "period" orchestras now performing these types of operas. Also have issues with voices being pressed so hard to be bigger than they really are and losing the ability to move or drop the weight on top. Back in the day, same soprano would sing this and Aida at a house.
adia216 5 months ago
@adia216 I meant to write 'heavier', not 'heavy', sorry. I meant Damrau has a heavier voice than Jo. Jo is a leggero, the canary-type soprano with little, light and agile voice that is comfortable with the highest notes; Damrau is a lyric-coloratura, she still has a lot of agility and can reach the high notes, but has a bit warmer and louder voice, The only dramatic-coloratura soprano that sang this role and I can think of is Edda Moser. Sutherland as well, but in Eb, a whole tone lower.
3F93 5 months ago
@3F93 sutherland's version of this aria wasn't too impressive though
89lillyflower 1 day ago
@3F93 dramatic means that they have a heavier quality in their voice that is why they are called lyric dramatic coloraturas then you have light lyric coloraturas which she definitely is not. I am a coloratura and my voice is definitely not heavy like hers and I am a light lyric to be precise
prettycool997 2 months ago
@adia216 What are you talking about? If you want to get technical about fach and style, a dramatic soprano should NEVER sing this. Mozart music is not big music. It is refined, not big. Sumi sounds amazing as the Queen and does a great job delivering the music with the correct Mozart style. Just cause she's not yelling it doesn't mean she's wrong.
Yes, it's exciting to hear big voices do this aria, but it should never be reserved for them.
REBECCAtheSOPRANO 5 months ago 2
@REBECCAtheSOPRANO 1st:. re-read. I didn't say a dramatic soprano. I said a dramatic coloratura. 2nd: i use the term loosely, because that's what we have. I'm not one of those "omg, you have to stay in your fach" people. I believe that the voice should do what it can deliver solidly. Sumi Jo doesn't do that for this role. Maybe she can do it in something like Hoffmann, or Entfuhrung, but this is not for her.
so many other factors inc. new tuning, etc. would be happy to discuss with you =)
adia216 5 months ago
@REBECCAtheSOPRANO mozart wrote the role for a dramatic coloratura
prettycool997 2 months ago
genius - perfect
GeryEcky 1 year ago
It sounds very girlish.
Lindoron 1 year ago
This song is about f. That is why this song is famous. For f, nobody has yet to achieve better f than sumi
sumimimi0 1 year ago
@sumimimi0
Lucia Popp, mastered it at age 22.
LoL i'm trying to as well xD so i have tomaster it before August >n> must be like LUCIA!
AerithOnBroadway 10 months ago
@AerithOnBroadway sumi jo mastered when she was 18
sumimimi0 2 months ago
she said recording this version was very hard to her. because it' original version. different from that of devised version we know very well and most singers sing including Sumi Jo in other stages. this version' key is lower than revised version of 19century and really 'come scrito'. and remember in Mozart's time 'there was no concept like 'Dramatic Soprano'. still so many castratos sang on stage for heavy voice
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she said recording this version was very hard to her. because it' original version. different from that of devised version we know very well and most singers sing including Sumi Jo in other stages. this version' key is lower than revised version of 19century and really 'come scrito'.
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icylakepaxphile 1 year ago
8 people don't know what is music
Konsatsu 1 year ago
Esta señora es increíble, semejante voz y tan chiquita, bárbara, :-)
nurywais 1 year ago
WOW!!! probably the most light and clear vocal for this song!
My favorite is Christina's vocal, and I love Sumi's too, coincidentally they are both some of the best for this song, but not for this role.(queen)
tenddyson 1 year ago 2
Clearest triplets out of everyone I've ever heard <3
sesshyssoulmate 1 year ago 2
i absolutely love this!!
BroadwayBaby08 1 year ago
She and Damrau are easily my favorite at playing this role. Putting one over the other is near impossible though, Sumi Jo retains the crazed nature of the queen while keeping this aria as beautiful. Personally I see it this way. Sumi Jo interpreted the Queen as more evil than insane, Damrau interpreted the Queen as more insane than evil, and both have a place in my heart
FBL552 1 year ago 4
I love the speed of this. And love this singer!!!!
spizzell1 1 year ago
Ich habe Sumi Jo mal Live gesehen, in der Rolle der Königin der Nacht, damals kannte ich si gar nicht, und dachte nur "Oh Gott!, ob die das schafft?" denn habe ich sie gehört und war so begeistert, das ich mir gleich eine CD gekauft habe, auf der sie die Königin der Nacht singt!
Sumi Jo und Diana Damrau, sind die besten Königinen der Nacht, die ich je gehört habe!
WolligesHangschaf 1 year ago
An outstanding voice! You have to listen to her "Doll Song". It's one of the most difficult songs to sing and I can't find a word for her performance! It's awesome!
Hermia28 1 year ago
beautiful, but too fast
Ma3Hu1 1 year ago 2
Sumi-jo is wonderful, but for this aria I love the Edda Moser' interpretation: really intense and dramatic ... a real powerful witch!
lailaefederico 1 year ago
Coloratura is too fast deary me! no, this will never do!
MrTamzzin 1 year ago
Oh, my... it's been transposed down a half step.... now, Sumi.. it that really necessary?
n3atguy44 1 year ago
I love the way Sumi Jo sings this, Very light and crystal clear =]
megababe31395 1 year ago
is it too fast on purpose?
flx2525 1 year ago
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I disliked it. Diana Damrau is better!
mkan94 1 year ago
the key is lower than standard...maybe its transposed to -1
krizzia19 1 year ago
Celle-là, je l'aime bien. . Un quart de ton trop bas peut-être, mais cela ne fait rien. Elle exécute cet air avec une aisance et une légèreté qui le transforment.
MrBasilego 2 years ago
she is first one i heard who sings the aria as lightly as mozart always composed... but it damn difficult^^
RosaPudelProductions 2 years ago 21
@RosaPudelProductions it was composed to be for a heavy, dramatic soprano
jtg10795 1 year ago
is not exactaly a half tone lower, but a quarter toner, pitch 425 Hz ! I think is pretty fantastic! Like Damrau too ... but are different people ... and there are place for both to sing!!!!
ARTUROPVIOLA 2 years ago
i luve sumi jo, this version sounds like she's late for the train. i like it though.
jmahrky 2 years ago 9
gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous
lovezyah67 2 years ago 32
this one is like half note or a note below the original,right?...cause staccatos sound lower...
lateralex90 2 years ago
yup, instead of high F she hits high E
killerbunny123123 2 years ago
This is normal.
The theatre in the Royal Palace is a 1700 opera house where period productions are the norm.
The orchestra plays on old instruments or modern reproductions and tunes to a lower pitch.
1401JSC 2 years ago 7
why do so many people don't have ears? damrau's voice and acting is good but her f is uncomparable to sumi
sumimimi0 2 years ago 7
defenitely the best costume maybe not the best voice, that belongs to this other woman i saw, her name is diana damrau
JuyoNi 2 years ago 2
I agree with u...Sumi is a great artist..but at this aria..I prefer Diana too
edengirl17 2 years ago 5
good singer......
only to fast
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rosarot95 2 years ago
ridicolo!
VINCENZO3002 2 years ago
I dont believe this... Jo manages to sing the this aria that it is so difficult that no one else has sung in the last 70 years :))))))
LohengrinT 2 years ago 4
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neoromantism 2 years ago
this song requires power! her voice is amazing...but i've heard her sing this song before and way better! ;D
vpjammer10 2 years ago
Beautiful voice. I've heard rushing on the scale, but this is to the extreme. She seems to be having a race with herself to get the finish of the song as fast as she can.
QueenNaiomi 2 years ago
Baroque tuning, the one that Mozart used, this is called a HIP (historically informed performance) with period instruments.
leoperarm 2 years ago 3
Ack wrong key x.x
SteelyPhil37 2 years ago
I quite agree with some of the people make notes on her version of Queen of the night. Her voice may be dramatic and pretty but not quite right for the role. It has to be the voice of most cruel as merciless muderer, cold as ice and dark as winter night but her voice doesn't have any of those element. I felt that she has technique but singing with no emotions when she had concert at Wigmore hall in London in 90s. That was a pretty boring concert
kharma999 2 years ago
Ihre stimme ist wunderschön, sie singt es mit einer Leichtichkeit, was vielen Sopranistinen nicht gelingt.
Man hört das sie diese Arie ganz ohne mühe singen kann.
Leider kann ich mir eine Asiatin auf der Bühne sehr schlecht als Königin vorstellen!
Aber sie ist genial, ihre stimme ist der inbegriff eines Soprans, wenn ich nicht wüsste das es sowas nicht gibt, würde ich sagen das sie perfekt ist.!
WolligesHangschaf 2 years ago
Du kannst dir eine Asiatin als Königin nicht vorstellen - wieso das? Kathleen Battle - eine Schwarze - sang Pamina. Grace Bumbry - ebenfalls eine Schwarze - sang die Venus, und das in Bayreuth! Placido Domingo sang Otello - einen Schwarzen! Und wie viele Aidas waren tatsächlich schwarz? Tut mir leid, aber deinen Kommentar finde ich ein wenig daneben.
SatanAteMySocks 2 years ago
Ich habe nie gesagt, das ich Sumi Jo nicht mag ich finde sie super toll!
Ich kann sie mir nur nicht in einer Rokoko Oper vorstellen...
Das ist alles!
WolligesHangschaf 2 years ago
Oh, ich habe dich auch nicht so verstanden, dass du sie nicht mögen würdest. Wieso du sie dir aber nicht auf der Bühne vorstellen kannst, kann ich aber nicht nachvollziehen. Das einzige Problem, das sie haben könnte, sind die Dialoge... Aber mit den schlagen sich ja auch andere ausländische Sängerinnen herum.
Denke jetzt bitte nicht, ich würde dich angreifen wollen, das ist wirklich nicht der Fall.
SatanAteMySocks 2 years ago
Vielleicht, muss ich sie mal auf der Bühne sehen als Königin der Nacht, um mich eines besseren belehren zu lassen..
Es fällt mir eben doch schwer mir die Königin als Asiatin oder Farbige vorzustellen, aber das auch nur aus dem grund, da ich noch keine in der Rolle gesehen habe...
WolligesHangschaf 2 years ago
i saw in the internet as i m a opera mania. the experts of the opera, has came out with the conclusion of who is the best person who sings der holle rache. it is sumi jo. it is neither damrau or moser or whatever
sumimimi0 2 years ago
I love Damrau on this aria, but she gets very staccato heavy at times...i alternate between her version and Sumi Jo.
wickedphant0m 2 years ago 6
The reason it sounds s semitone lower is because the orchestra is playing on period instruments, which are pitched slightly lower than A=440
hectorerasure 3 years ago 4
wow this is the fastest yet the cleanest version i've ever heard! ^^>..
jetsings 3 years ago 6
Well, check the high note with a piano, it's an F.
Drelnis 3 years ago 4
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I agree that it's an F, but it's an out of tune F. Hense the "semi-tone".
rdailey05 3 years ago
It's period tuning a=415 I believe, while modern tuning is a=440, Mozart heard this aria with this tuning.^^
leoperarm 2 years ago
i don't like seeing singers compared to one another,
damarau has a clearly different style of singing that sumi's,
sumi's is light and clear.
damaraus is strong powerful and heavy.
they are equally brilliant, just different.,
ClaudiaSwann 3 years ago 52
@ClaudiaSwann great comment,Claudia. I like listening to different versions when I am in different moods...sometimes Sumi Jo, sometimes Rita Streich ,Edda Mosser or Diana Damrau but never Florence Forster Jenkins, thats just too sad. jk
HaberfieldChiro 1 year ago
@ClaudiaSwann I like Sumi's sound better as a singer, but Diana's is more convincing in the part of the Queen- but they're (as you said) equally talented overall :)
ethalinia 1 year ago
Can you recommend a good recording where the soprano sings it in the scored key of d-minor?
zinpgh 3 years ago
Sumi Jo has a solo CD with a FANTASTIC version of this song...if you're still looking.
wickedphant0m 2 years ago 2
she has sung a bit lower. the real one is the best in the world - the expert says that her f is the best until now and nobody has a better or good f as her. in fact sumijo's f is bette than damrau's
sumimimi0 3 years ago
es una version un poco extraña... la voz es muy dulce, pero no me gusta la coloratura tan rapida y sin tanta potencia, diez mil veces a la damrau prefiero, y sinceramente de sumi jo rescato mucho arias como violeta sempre libera y doll song, probablemente lo mejor que le he oido..
jaakunamatata 3 years ago 2
Even so - I'm a contralto so that was exercising a few muscles!
nicmalauren 3 years ago
In that case I'm impressed with myself! I thought it was lower because I was singing along and didn't realise I could sing at that pitch! lol
nicmalauren 3 years ago
This is almost comically fast.
broughall1964 3 years ago 2
She's singing this at a slightly lower pitch than written I think. But it's well sung all the same.
nicmalauren 3 years ago
Nope, checked with the piano and against other recordings.
It'd be degrading Mozart if Sumi sang it in a lower key, after all this is 15 years ago, you could say she was approaching her prime, it wouldn't be her if she transposed :)
THe only common recording with a transposition (no one dares transpose the big F) is Joan Sutherland's, she's so wonderful in many other aspects it doesn't even matter she doesn't have the F. It's an exception cause she's La Stupenda :)
Drelnis 3 years ago
Perfecta, junto a la version de Lucia Popp, son las mejores versiones que he oido.
IanDhon 3 years ago
Great technique! The tempo is very fast!
yodavidnavarro 3 years ago 4
Hi1 Do you know if this version has all the dialogue included?
leoperarm 3 years ago 5
yes Included.^^
cha7534 3 years ago
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leoperarm 3 years ago 2
Now I know, I bought it and it's the most complete recording of this opera I have, although they shortened a bit Papageno's first aria :P
leoperarm 3 years ago 2
What is that in 01:19-01:31 ....
ll40808 3 years ago 2
sumi jo
nicevidbro 3 years ago 5