General Zinni: Global warming a serious security threat

[Allamericom]

Government tax carbon scam end the fed

[skinnywhop87]

Global warming is a lie, if you want the best and easiest way to tell if Co2 is a green house gas....

Take a Co2 cannister for like a BB gun or something like that, pop a whole in it and feel, does that gas come out warm or cold? Always comes out cold.... Another way to tell this fraud is look at Co2, it's less dense than Oxygen, Density=insulation, Insulation= held in heat from the sun

[JonThm]

No, nuclear power stations are the big security issue: They made up the fiction of GW, to give CO2, the gas of life, a bad name. More CO2, more life on Earth. More nuclear power, less.

[LibertyandHonor]

Regardless of whether global warming is real or imagined or the product of manmade emissions or astral physics or a natural and cyclic phenomenon. It is a scam used by our globalist/internationalist elite. Sorry to break it to ya.

[LibertyandHonor]

Looks like a whos whos of those crooked corporate and high finance connected retired military leaders that filed the "green brief" in the U of Mich affirmastive action case in favor of affirmative action. That was what our establishment wanted and they sent some of their shills tp file a brief. In psychology one of the things we were taught was that to mix and blend people of different nationalities and ethnicities together is something to distract them and that they work on mutually.

[JonThm]

Nuclear power made up 'Global WArming', to be publisised by the stupid.

[TempestStormwind]

Wow, JonThm, I applaud your blind adherence to your beliefs in the face of basic facts (i.e. global warming science started at *least* as far back as 1896, which predates nuclear power). Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

[JonThm]

Life on Earth without global warming from water vapour would nmot be possible. CO2 haS NO effect - that ide was invented by nuclear power, to get more plants of death built.

[abram730]

People can be quite barbaric fighting over basic things like water... Situations could develop that make Nazi Germany look like the picture of moderation and tolerance...

[Aloholoh]

so when we are all dead and gone and future generations look back will they think why did they stuck fast to their belief systems? the earth was warming, it was obvious - why did they argue for so long as to why rather than make efforts to help those worst affected by the results??

[YangPile]

This isn't about weather or not Global Warming is REAL. We know it is. It's not about weather it's the Sun or Humans doing it. It's both.

It doesn't matter which one is causing more of the problems. THEY WILL HAPPEN ANYWAYS!

IT'S ABOUT ACCEPTING THESE OBSERVABLE, PROVABLE FACTS AND MAKING CHANGES NOW TO HELP US THEN!

Best not hide behind arbitrary beliefs as to who's responsible or whats really causing it. Neither negate our responsibility to do something about it now.

[princesskathy101]

f--- this

[agntagnt]

SUN BLAMED FOR WARMING OF EARTH AND OTHER PLANETS

More and more scientists agree that although some of the global temperature rise in the last 100 years may be attributed to human acrivity, the majority is caused by the sun.

"Greenhouse warming cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance" says Habibullo Abdussamatov, the head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia

[RustyShacklefuurd]

Doesnt matter if you wanna believe its causesed by Man or whether its natural...it's happening and issues like the one in this video need to be addressed

[aytherix]

global cooling has resettled, and climates have fluxuated to global warming again. forget the salmon, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye, mother nature has come to give mankind's behind a paddling!

lol jk, alternative energy sources are necessary because obviously heavy reliance on fossil fuels, or any other source, is just asking for a disaster if anything should change. although taxing our CO2 activity won't help either; a fraud with a natural coincidence to support.

[brotherjupiter]

Photovoltaic ,Solar collectors, windmills and Large format batteries and nuclear power are totaly within mans abilities.

So lets get to it already and

quit dilly dallying around before we defeat ourselves with our old outdated energy infrastructure.

[djkartikeya]

This is going to be a really serious problem. there can not be life without water. this is even more serious than black holes..

[agntagnt]

LOL

[eekdog2005]

The only way to combat global warming is to tax and enslave all people's of the world. save the earth, be a slave!

[aytherix]

That'd be the plan alright. Global warming and global cooling are cycles the solar system goes through, and our cars' CO2 obviously doesn't affect our neighboring planets.

Although, some people just wanna feel they're doing something for the world by driving a hybrid. they could just help the world by farting less.

[BurningSerpent]

This insults all intelligent, warm hearted and caring people. That global warming should compromise US national security. The whole world may be in jeopardy but we in the US need to continue our selfish and narrow view of the world and possibly advance the war on terror to have an even more dominant grip of power. Despite the fact that terror and anti-Americanism is a byproduct of your diplomatic ways. But we can turn this all around, just a simple matter of finding the compassion in your hearts

[abram730]

correct but those against what you described BurningSerpent tend to take the tactic of refusing global warming and that is a loosing tactic. The one who leads chooses the designation. Do you wait for US military leadership? What General Zinni said was true.

compassion requires early intervention. Shattered and broken people are like clay, but in whose hands?

[MaluBongo]

feels like spring in the east coast

[PersonalJesus348]

Its there black and white. Only if your blind your won't see it.

[kcthinker]

This guy was another, "Chicken Little." Trying to scare people in thinking there is a crisis is the same thing Bush did with this Iraq war and what Jesse Jackson has done in the past.

Do not scare me to comform to your wishes.

[KingCook85]

Chicken Little guy did objective reporting. And let the general talk about why he released his report, you don't see anyone in the establishment in the US discussing this. They are acknowledging the problem, more and more people do.

I mean come ON ok maybe YOU don't believe in climate change nobody is stopping you to burry your head even further up your ass.

[kcthinker]

Are you telling my you have the ability to predict the future? Or are you saying that only a "selected" group have people are able to predict the future.

The ability to predict the future has no documented proof. I would like to be respect rather than scared to death because I am not acting like a puppet.

Before you start declaring where you think my head is, maybe you need to realized the things that Harry Potter can do is make believe.

[aytherix]

global warming is a scam!

kingcook85 - these are a few problems with the GLOBAL WARMING SCAM: On other planets, temperatures are increasing, such as jupiter and mars, which are further from the sun than earth, and not affected by pollution on earth. C02 may be a green house gas, but plants on land and sea consume this for their livelihood, forming a natural greenhouse balance. The sun is getting warmer, but it will cool as well. its gone through this cycle many times in just a few centuries.

[RustyShacklefuurd]

fuck off with this nonsense

[weirdoveirdo]

All this is true, but you are not looking at more specific data. Changes this drastic and this fast have never happened on earth, in human history. The CO2 balance has been upset, that's the whole problem. We cut down trees even as we burn more and more fossil fuels, so less C)2 is comsumed while MORE is put out.

[morality101]

Bush will only do something when it will make some politically connected corporations lots of money. With Bush and Cheney, its oil and defense industries (Iraqi war), and pharmaceuticals (bird flu scare). If it will make this President's buddies more money after the disaster (Katrina), nothing will be done to prevent it.

[oblivion2001]

You don't need the US to publish a report, its obvious that IF climate change brings dramatic, and catastrophic problems, people would go crazy. Its basic human nature, its basic economics.

I saw this after a few days working down in Tabasco, and Chiapas, MExico for the Red Cross. You all saw the images of Post-Hurricane Katrina.

An issue which IS placing people in risk, whether you believe climate change is real or not, should not run along political lines.

[GFY1954]

Gen. Anthony Zinni has always spoken with a high level of integrity.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Global climate change is NOT a THREAT to US security. That's neo-con talk! That is ontologically and grammatically an impossible sentence! It implies that all people who oppose the US economic interests outside the US borders are a security threat which becomes more real with climate change. Americans have no place in defining what political action is a threat to them outside their borders. Thank you!

[weirdoveirdo]

To be perfectly fair, (although I agree with you in principle) wide spread collapse of nations brought about by climate change could very easily spark a sort of strange, distorted world war. The solution is not imperialism, but rather stopping global warming as much as we can now, and sending humanitarian aid to ruined countries.

[teemuruskeepaa]

In your opinion, is that the message of Zinni? Does the US have security issues if the climate changes less than what causes wide spread collaple? Would you meddle in our political affairs even if the we are only in a brink of collapse? I think you would and you argument would be your national security!

[weirdoveirdo]

As I said, my solution is international cooperations NOW. We need to start being realistic. In the end, we are going to have to sacrifice money for survival. The whole world is stuck in what I call the "economy box". Everyone is concerned with money. People need to put this issue in perspective. It's not an issue of money. It's an issue of survival.

[teemuruskeepaa]

You switched to a lighter expression from humanitarian aid to mutual interest of survival. Humanitarian aid is not mere mutual interest because it ofter works as a pretext to just-start US led market economy in poor countries. That contradicts the very political independence I talked in the first comment. Your move!

[weirdoveirdo]

No money involved in the situation (idealistic, yes) I'm talking about. The human race needs to cooperate without money. That means giving stuff away. Using all that technology to save the people in bangledesh and places like it. And not just the US, but all 1st world countries (some EU nations have already started). Your go!

[teemuruskeepaa]

Thank you! I don't think Zinni meant what you're saying. He was talking about that US government should participate in climate deals in order to avoid the alleged terrorist strikes in the future. My critique is directed at that thought, since it implies intervention in non-developed countries with false pretexts

[weirdoveirdo]

I wasn't really defending Zinni in the 1st place, just playing devil's advocate. My personal thoughts on the matter is that canada is looking real nice right now.

[happyprometheus]

If you listen carefully the title of the report is "National Security And The Threat Of Climate Change"

In this context it is correct to say that Global Warming is a security threat to the USA, as it is to all countries, considering that people become violent when they are desperate.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Incorrect. This is about US interests versus the interests of other countries. Not US state interests versus citizen interests.

[FattKidd]

Carbon Taxes are bullshit. What we need is an 'Apollo Mission' to renewable energy independance and, it needs to be on the micro, not macro level. This means we need to empower the individual, world-wide, to be able to produce his/her own electricity/fuel. The technology for this already exists. All we need is the will & the commitment to make it happen. We need real leaders who will make this their #1 priority.

[weirdoveirdo]

Not the indavidual, what we need is politically independent small communities who are energy and food self-sufficient. Use wind, solar, and hydro-electric power for everything. No nuke power, no fossil fuels, and no !@#$ing ethanol!

[stevekrysak]

What we need is a varied approach. We need carbon taxes, we need micro solutions, we need macro solutions (lest the people think nothing is happening). We need all of this to happen together to make a difference.

[gmfutube]

Exactly! And we need it NOW and Globally.

I doubt this will resonate with most Americans though. The nations who will suffer First and the most are the ones who are already in poverty.

As long as we are comfortable, we will keep driving down this path - in our SUVs.

[oldhacks]

"Globalists!!! Burn the Witch! I don't wanna pay a carbon tax. The UN is ineffective!"

meanwhile...

[mcalien24]

the conditions to extend the war on terror?

[oldhacks]

the condition to preserve life on earth. While morons like Al Gore and Alex Jones muddy up the issue.

[mcalien24]

i know what you mean but still, that is a strange quote...