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  • Is there another documentary of this style? Following a tangent of alien evolution?

  • Now how can 'life and death turn on a dime' on an alien world? - they likely got no dimes! :D

  • is this narrated by dr cox from scrubs??.

  • This is the sort of shit Discovery Channel needs to play more, instead of crappy sensationalist programming like Canada's Worst Driver and American Chopper. Fack

  • @theirishcanadian sadly they cant because it would cause to much confusion for the religious comuntiy

  • @AnubisEye009 People are responsible for most of natures (read: life) destruction, and have the ability to change that- but they don't. So if u value this world and the life in it, it is a natural consequence to come into conflict with people and their attitudes and how they CHOOSE to live, selfishly and destructively. Maybe u should learn to value life more, then u might have thought about these things more deeply in a real and proactive way, instead of just posing pointless questions.

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  • @TheSoulDoubt (2) You just gave me rhetorical questions in "what life?" It's just a repetition of the root question which serve no purpose. You also seem to have "learned" to not value life as much as before. Have you considered you may have learned wrong?

  • @AnubisEye009 They were not rhetorical questions, they were pragmatic questions demanding real answers. If u want me to answer the philosophical question; do I value life- the answer is yes, of course. But then if u want to stop being so flowery and ignoring certain realities like have I killed a wasp or mosquito, would I harm someone to protect myself or my family, would I support hostile action against a dangerous threat- to which the answer is also yes- then its not such an easy question.

  • @AnubisEye009 They do serve a purpose, they emphasize the exceptions, contradictions and varying value an individual ascribes to any other individual life and what factors it is based on. U can choose to ignore all that and bundle it all up in an enigmatic question that serves little purpose except to sound philosophical. I have learned through life to value and treasure it, all of it, because it is rare, unique, special and amazing...and we are its greatest threat.

  • @AnubisEye009 Do u value money? Then why do u spend it? Because u have to, to survive. I consider many things. I have learned the questions aren't as simple as we like them to be, and neither are their answers. What do u value? And what would u do, how far would u go, to protect it? Circumstances have a tremendous effect on our principles and ethics, we are often forced to contradict them to uphold them. How often have we gone to war to kill people because people are being killed.

  • Why the hell is George Lucas commentating on this? He's not a scientist.

  • wouldn't a probe like this one have a self-repair mechanism?

  • @AnubisEye009 What life? My own? My friends or families? My enemies? Other creatures? Ones that provide for or protect me? Ones that endanger or threaten me? I have learned not to value human life as much as I once did because humans tend not to value any life except for their own and the ones most beneficial to themselves. So let me ask u- do u value what is most dangerous to your own survival and everything u care about?

  • i felt sad when the first space ship blew up

  • Ahh hahaha STEPHEN HAWKING :P 

  • FUCK IT!! these scientist are just too damn busy body. WE HAVE ALIENS ON Earth!!! The Evidence is inevitable, its all over the internet!! Dude!! u dont have to waste Money to go to a planet 6.5 light years from earth just find something u denied here on Earth. Brainless Motherfuckers..

  • this type of video is nothing more than status quo education and entertainment. Keeping you dumb to think that aliens have never been to earth or possible could even be here.

  • @VoltageLineTV

    "Keeping you dumb to think that aliens have never been to earth or possible could even be here."

    You are an idiot.

  • @MomoTheBellyDancer you are an idiot

  • @VoltageLineTV dude WE are already here all 9 billion of us we are the only animal that doesn't live in harmony with its environment because

  • Sounds like a great idea to probe extrasolar systems. Problem is: who will put the money into it? Will any county be willing to spend tremendous amounts of ressources and money into such a project? Nope. We need to unify this goddamn planet before we can put our greasy hands on the stars.

  • @katanoob already built 2014 :)

  • @EpikCyAnid or they are finishing it lol FML

  • @katanoob sadly the only way we can unify this planet is if the f"#$ Covenant invades us XD

  • @katanoob

    I'm optimistic. There are many examples of multinational scientific communities. Scientists have a useful ability to not give a shit about politics.

  • where is darwin?

  • look for like elsewhere thinking that we are going to survive there are equal to chance of winning loto twice... better stop making bullshit here....

  • so wait, the skewers flight is pretty much propelled by by farting

  • we will colonise the universe period.

  • At this point in time there is no such thing as "habitable planets" or space exploration. The stars are just too far away. This movie is intended to raise more money and a living for the 'astro scientists'

  • @azzy314159 How can you say there is any other habitable planet? It is apparent that we don't have concrete evidence that there is life outside of eEarth but to assume completely the opposite does not make any sense. Finding another Earth-like planet is great because all we are doing here on Earth is multiplying. There will be one point in our future where living conditions will not be possible here on Earth.

  • @alphonse0307 Hmm, then that would suggest that a change in how we live would be more appropriate then looking for another world, with its own life, to hijack because we are unable to stop multiplying. If we can't live in equilibrium with our own environment, what right have we to steal something elses to consume and destroy in the same way as our own? We'll never make it into space like in this video if we don't sort out our problems here first.

  • @azzy314159 all we need to do is improve our health care to the point where we either live for a very long time or we don't die of natural causes then we can fly across space at 1mph and it wont matter because we live forever which is probably the level ET is at if they are hear already (just like the most famous et ever jesus)

  • @TheMannInTheShadows Apart from the slight problem of going utterly bonkers and killing yourself after the first few thousand years stuck in a spaceship and knowing u still had 600 billion years more to go to get to that star at 1mph! The universe would end before u got there. The expansion of space means u probably would never get there. It really does matter. 

  • @TheSoulDoubt ok maybe a bit quicker than 1mph say half the speed of light and make sure you take someone of the opposite sex with you and you could have endless fun

  • @TheMannInTheShadows lol, that might help some, but even so 8 years to the nearest star, similar distances between many, still be extremely limited. No real exploration. Imagine exploring your house taking 8 years to get to each room- I live in a small house, 9 nine rooms if I include the conservatory and hallway. 72 years just to explore my home, imagine how long for the whole town? The whole country? 9 rooms, 72 years- 100 billion stars, most with planets.

  • @TheMannInTheShadows Even if everyone in the world lived in a 10 room home on their own, that would still only be 70 billion rooms to explore. The kind of dimensions u are dealing with a whole new approach to travel is needed, even lightspeed isn't good enough.

  • @TheMannInTheShadows The probability of an organism surviving for even a thousand years is zero. The natural randomness of all processes ensures that. Unless we can find a way to travel at light speed we can never get off from this planet. The only way to go is to send spores of biological material, based on our double helix, into space and hope that they will land on some plant one day and then evolve into us.

  • oh dear - allways thhey make a bullshit documentry, they got this Michio Kaku in it ...:-/

  • This bullshit is like spore :)

  • @DoxelReis bullshit.... they just to who think it would look like... if you got a better bet please make a moive and show us

  • @glarbjerg1 dude i believe if there is another planet just like ours I.E same gravity water etc given the same time scale then life there would be similar to our own (not identical) fish will be fish birds will be birds etc remember survival of the fittest through natural selection if the animals are what they are because they are the best design then wouldn't these design's be the best else where

  • Why would they program Ike to be more risktaking after Leo goes offline? I'd have programmed Ike to be even MORE cautious after that. I mean if the mission takes several decades to complete it seems a bit silly to program the only remaining robot to take RISKS.

  • @SultanRoyal i agree but the ending was clearly made to show how easy it is for a mission to go wrong though, but yeah if i was a scientist, and as a person i would be more fascinated in the multiple results that can come from the plants, then the animals that would destroy my precious information giver. Plus this is just me but i rather not have ailens know where i live after all the ailen invasion and terminator movies

  • in an space of 5*125*1.4billion squaremiles,its a waste of space : FOR BEEING ALONE !!!

    the allever problem , are the DISTANCES IN BETWEEN !!

  • alien does not exist...don't waste ur time for searching about aliens ant other....get a life dude..

  • 001:26 jesus chirst!!! I ALLMOST THORW UP i kinda feel bad for him. to.

  • @FunkyMonkey2821 Have you seriously never heard of Steven Hawking? He's practically a living legend.

  • It is clearly fake. They even clearly say that it would land on 2044. The creatures are evolutionary implausible it looks like it was made by a computer and the camera angles, look at the camera angles!

  • @coolerboysam

    its made to entertain... -_-

  • @coolerboysam No shit. read the description.

  • man thats some cool shit!!!

  • Why do the floating machines (ike and leo) only have forward facing eyes? If they also had a fish-eye lens omnidirectional camera on top of them (and maybe below), then they would not have blind spots. It would have helped prevent undesirable situations and even their demise. Just saying.

  • I guess the people who believe in Darwins theory of evolution, dont keep up with the latest technological, biological advancements from other country's. The latest research suggests that his whole theory of natural selection may not be the case.

  • Who knows what type of creatures might be there but this just give us a what if and just showing scientist are thinking of everything that can possibly happen to a probe.

  • As an Update for this documentary: January 2012 came the annoucement that are more planets than stars in our galaxy. * Ref: One or more bound planets per MilkyWay star from microlensing observations A. Cassan et al. Nature 12 January 2012 * To this date we have 700 super earths on record. Thousands more waiting confirmation. It's just a matter of finding microbial life in other place than earth, maybe an asteroid or something, for us to know that these other planets may have life as ours.
  • Why don't we have such probes to monitor ecossystems, and even monitor cities infra-structure, HERE on Earth?

    Why don't we apply our ideas for foreign planets to improve our lives here?

    Fascinates me that, for space exploration everything goes sustainable and automatic, having a huge lifespam and great resistance. In earth, to praise capitalism, everything is shity, wear down easy, futile or extremely ineficient.

    Makes me think WTF crazy species we are.

  • how can u search this kind of planet? if the Government of america has already know that..

  • im in love with these probes i want hundreds of them they kick arse but why not put a gun laser gun or something to shoot at shit n theyd be perfect;)

  • They named the ship after Werner von Braun the nazi SS officer and war criminal who was smuggled outta Germany by the CIA via operation paperclip. Sorry but you lost all your credibility with that one.

  • @all1just1

    Werner von Braun fathered the American space programme as well... after being hoarded to USA after the war. It was his technology that took the Americans to the moon. His work probably resulted in fewer deaths than ol' Bush!

  • Well theirs science, and then theirs God, only time will tell if the Darwin theory is correct.

  • @Josemedeiros Are you serious, darwins theory has already been proven wrong

  • @dustinbhuckabee How was Darwins theory proven wrong? Micro evolution is proven to exist and all evidence in the world points towards large scale evolution nothing against...

  • @ArtemisLe42th I am not a creationist, but Darwin's theories are just that: THOERY. It has not been proven. The reason that it has had so much staying power is that it is very flexible, and can be used to explain all natural adaptations. (Though they are not consistantly proven)

  • @Josemedeiros

    You mean people with sickle cell anaemia *do* die of malaria, eh?

  • i hope they discover a planet like in Avatar...LOL that would be ironic

  • good to see nazis getting props 40 years later

  • Spore!

  • Que porqueria.

  • How depressed do you feel when you realise if this happens we will probably be dead by then.

  • @gotsda Very...

  • the Von Braun should have sent something like 700 plus probe

  • That was awesome, I really enjoyed it.

    I'd love to see something similar but with more intelligent aliens that have created some sort of civilisation.

  • I wish I could be alive for this I would probably pee my pants

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  • before i am called ignorant i am a child and i would have armed those probes with mini guns and howitzer cannons to protect themselves because darwin 4 looks extremely tough and unforgiving i mean look what happened to leo he got KO ed but if he had better reflexes and weapons he would have survived longer

  • that thing at 50:00 got fucked up

  • I'm sorry and i'm probably gonna go to hell for this, but i almost died laughing when stephen hawking popped up on the screen.

  • I think that the governent really kno these type of life exist we are jus niave on the part of the fact that a story always has its hiddem paterns The pope said it his self that there are other turestrials out there.They wouldnt come up with something like this unless they have some typical hint on whats going on everything has a message to it.

  • this isnt treu?

  • So is this still going to happen in 2014?

  • haha then we dont fight against iraq or afganista we fght against ailiens :D what a fun will that be :D *joke*

  • Possible but unlikely. Cartoon dreams at present.

  • If u are going to send Von Braun to Darwin IV why call the probes Leo and Ike? Why not Goering and Hess? Darwins theory and Nazi ideology were tangled up together in a bad way- kind of ironic to send a probe to seek out new life, named after a Nazi war criminal, to a planet, named after the man who theorized evolution and inadvertently gave the world fascist supremacism in the process, and consider it symbollic of our advancement and progress.

  • @TheSoulDoubt Oh my god my head hurts to see how stupid and brainwashed you have become..Really Socialism? Do you understand that The Nazi Party was created by Anton Drexler in 1920...Darwin founded Evolution in the late 1800's, You Sir are the most uneducated most brainwashed person I've ever seen. Not to mention Darwin died in 1882..Before the Nazi Party was ever made.

  • @TTheResponder100 Did u know that Jesus died 2000 years ago and yet Christianity still exists today- amazing! Ideas don't die out with the person who originated them...or maybe where u come from they do. Where did I say Darwin started the Nazi party? So u think that Darwins theory wasn't taken and twisted by Hitler at all then? Master race, genetics, eugenics...it was all just a massive coincidence that he became obsessed with genetic lineage and purity.

  • @TTheResponder100 Your head hurts because its up your ass. Brainwashed? What do u base that on? U make utterly stupid comments- most brainwashed uneducated person u have ever seen...yes, oh mighty overlord, from a single paragraph u have the ability to judge someones education and that they are mentally fettered (look that word up child)...and u have never seen me. Well done.

  • @TTheResponder100 U are struggling with brainwashing I suspect- american yes- young, brash, big mouth, lots of opinion on things u know nothing about...so how are u doing at school with those pesky creationists filling your head with nonsense while u try to fill it with Darwin and science. Must be hard huh, knowing what to listen to. 

  • @TheSoulDoubt Actually I was a christian about when i was 10 than learned that God was just an imaginary figure in the sky. The funny thing is you call me a child, but you don't have the time to spell "You" Correctly. And Actually Hitler didn't take Evolution, Guess what? He was Roman Catholic. Also how do you know the bible is correct? Does that mean that the Giant Spaghetti Monster is our lord! I'm not Brainwashed I look at the facts. Not what some book tells me.

  • @TTheResponder100 Yes, I know, it shows- thats why I said. Your OTT vitriolic comment smacked of Christian/science convert issues and bitterness. It saves space on a very limited forum for commenting on often quite deep matters- thats called logic I believe as nobody has any difficulty inferring the meaning. Maybe u should have read the original comment more carefully.

  • @TTheResponder100 It was about the dubious choice of naming our first probe Von Braun, especially as the planet it was going to was called Darwin IV. A poor choice of names is what I commented on, as Darwins theory and Nazi ideology were TANGLED UP (not based on or derived from) in a bad way. Anti-semitism was around long before the Nazi party, but unfortunately, as is often the way, some of Darwins ideas were taken and used as propaganda and validation for the Nazi agenda.

  • @TTheResponder100 Then out of nowhere u come along with your rather harsh brainwashing/education/bitter/­christian/science/Darwin backlash comment for no reason at all, which speaks volumes more about your own state of mind and educational issues than mine.

  • @TTheResponder100 ...and sorry, where and how did we get onto the factual quality of the bible? Thats what I mean- u are the one who is somewhat fixated on the good book my friend. Once a Christian, now u are not. But for 10yrs of your life u believed in a very meaningful lie. Betrayal?...anyone? I'm afraid that it is u who has got some hang-ups in that area which is why we have ended up talking about it. The bibles lack of authenticity is not my concern, and is certainly not what I commented on

  • @TTheResponder100 Before u start putting comments out about brainwashing and peoples mental state- get to grips with your own first, know your own background and influences before u start thinking u have the ability to judge other peoples.

  • mother of half life

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  • 0:39:26 IKE may not be interested in the daggerist But it seems to have some intrigue about ike. hehe

  • IF THE HELGANS OR SPACEBALLS GET THERE FIRST, THEN THERE GOES THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!

  • vivied imagination...gimmie sum of what yall been smoking

  • I hope to God we're not the only game in town.I have to believe there's other life out there.

  • the more 'creative' u are....but truly speaking there is no TRUE creativity..making something or creating something that NEVER exists or existed...this is so evident in this documentary....in all honesty we actually CANNOT conceive of what life forms on another planet would look like but we can only be as 'creative' as our associative system allows us to be....in all reality aliens could take any shape or form and we can only find out when OR IF we make contact....this documentary is kool tho

  • you have to consider that us humans are limited by our associative system...and i mean limited..so therefore everything "conceived" in this film is actually bits and pieces of life forms we ASSOCIATE with here on earth....this is the same reason there is no such thing as true creativity.....creativity in reality is actually using the maximum potential of your associative system...in other words the wider array of elements u can incorporate from your associative system

  • those funny electric mushrooms gave me a bad trip

  • all the creatures live within there means on this strange world, the food chain is simbiatic to its enviorment, one connot live without the other. but wait, man has sent a probe to this planet and found valueble minerials, let the strip mining begin, another planet raped, on to darwin 5.

  • I do enjoy people being assholes in the comments. I mean, why would you call this bullshit? It's a plausible story, not a documentary.

  • @ArtypNk The only thing that bothers me about these things is that there is a destinct lack of species, although thats understandable given they don't have time to make a bipsphere with billions of species.

  • @gotsda

    Yea, it would be nicer to see a fully alien eco system as far as the eye can see, but given it's 2005 and it's a documentary and not a holllywood blockbuster, they did allright.

  • @gotsda

    "Lack of Species". Then you may like the book it's based on. Expedition by Wayne Barlowe. Theres no shortage of species there.

  • I'm not digging the 360p... Not one bit.

  • OH MY GOD! The Water = Smooze!

  • this was painful

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  • how awesome would this be?

  • are they making these creatures up or what i dont get it

  • @ManyVideosforyou Its a set up "What if" story.

  • "Greetings from

    Darwin IV.

    We are here.

    LOL.

    See u l8r."

  • if chuck norris was an astrounat we would already see footages of darwin

  • Its like watching a jim carry movie which is full of bullshit but a very entertaining bullshit

  • I like this video its realy funny :D

  • i sat ther and whacht it al the way throw

  • Lol, no way you would build a main probe that has not got a 360 degree of view XD

  • en espano porfavor

  • @Marvel126 That is so true

  • Interesting evolutionists dismiss intelligent design yet accept "spontaneous" life. We could very well be a product of the same effort this video talks about.

  • send gordon freeman to an alien planet...he will sort the stuff out...WITH A CROWBAR!!!

  • @tartupets Morgan Freeman

  • Is that Dr. Cox from Scrubs narrating? :D

  • By the way, who made this great movie documentary? We need more films like this in schools and universities. Thanks

  • most Exciting thing in my Life

  • What was the book this was based on? I owned years ago but forgot the title.

  • so wait.. the Aeosapien brought down the fliers with spears?

  • 9:59 I think this guy dropped a little too much acid in 1969. What is he babbling about here? It sounds like cheerleading to me.

  • Lol, balboa name had to be explained properly for origin.

  • ask the wise questions, some will try to understand this life...some will know, that mankind has reached it's next step.

  • @Antimidation Ah yes, the myth of progress. I see you are trapped in the nineteenth and early twentieth century "modernist" value system.

  • Btw, don't assume you know someone position without asking any questions. You didn't ask me a single question this whole time in your comments that are lightly sprinkled with condescending tones.

  • @VioletDeliriums So what's your take on all this?

  • of a better sentence, the people I would like making these discoveries...not laymen who would shoot first and ask questions later or people who don't know just how important the discovery would be in the first place. It's a sad fact that everyday people would hear the news of finding new life on a distant world and simply wave their hand and dismiss it outright. Some will see it as a cause for celebration, others will resent the discovery as an affront to our religions or culture, and some will

  • The thing that really concerns me is the reaction from certain people on earth to the discovery of life on other worlds, if and when it happens (in my life time) I can't help but feel that people will be scared and uncertain of what it means if we ever do find life on other planets. Humans, unfortunately fear what they do not know about...and that fear leads to anger, and violence. On an optimistic note, the humans beings that do the science, that know how to make probes like these are, for lack

  • @Antimidation This is a logical fallacy. Who says people have fear? Maybe they just have other priorities than those presented by this advertisement aimed at taxpayers to support the space business.

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  • @VioletDeliriums I'm sorry are you saying we don't feel fear? It seems like you resent my comments in a skeptical manner. All my comments were about the nature of man.

  • @VioletDeliriums It's not a logical fallacy to say that the nature of man is to feel fear...how is that illogical?

  • @Antimidation But you are not making that claim that fear is a part of human nature. What you did was hypothesize a cause for that fear and presented it as if it were a truth in an attempt to make an emotional appeal to support your argument: people are afraid of the unknown, and in particular space exploration. It seems that your goal is to call people "cowards" in a backhanded way for not doing what you would like them to do. That is not fair.

  • @VioletDeliriums whoa whoa, what? No you totally misunderstand me. Look, this is my point....there will be some people that will fear the notion of or even the discovery of life on other planets, that's just human nature. I don't see how you twisted what i said around this much. I never said people who fear things have to go looking for life in outer space, the laymen will be skeptical even if we do find it, they will deny it out of hand, THAT is human nature. All I said was give all the...

  • @VioletDeliriums reactions people may have if we do find it, the duality of man has gray area, and i covered those. You are talking to a humanist here, I simply pointed out that the people not scared with the notion of finding life on other planets are the ones doing it. Then I pointed out the multifaceted reactions you are bound to get with mankind. I fail to see where i am being unfair with my statements.

  • @Antimidation "Duality of man"? That expression seems rooted in 19th century German philosophy. It is a HUGE assumption you are making.

    I still maintain that you cannot reduce the motivation to do something other than SETI to fear. Some people simply find other things more important. Should we say that people who are doing SETI are afraid of exploring the bottom of the ocean, or researching clean energy systems? Ridiculous, huh?

  • @VioletDeliriums We would have to establish first of all what is mans ultimate goal. Is it the deep and thorough exploration of the planet it currently resides on, or the exploration of other planets where the human race might possibly thrive and expand for millions of years after Earth has expired?

  • @VioletDeliriums You sound like a reasonable person to me, I sense practicality in the way you present you statements. Are you saying Nasa is not practical?

  • @Antimidation I am saying that the mission of NASA is space research which falls under the larger heading if military research. The primary purpose of space research is so that we can deploy various military systems such as satellites and people like Rumsfeld want to actually put maneuverable weapons in space. "Practical" depends on what your goal is. I think we have more important things to do that dominate the world with weapons.

  • @Antimidation Indeed, you are right. I love psychology, and sociology and I've noticed that americans have a very group-narcissism, family-narcissism, clan-narcissism mentality and world view. Which is a sort of Medieval Feudalist obsolete mentality. I've noticed that people in this get too attached to their local lifestyle, local culture, probably because most americans haven't had a chance to travel. Americans spend 60 of their adult years doing the same thing, without any metamorphosis

  • @maxistsocialist What a productive comment. Thought i was going to get bombarded with skepticism and Pessimism again. I understand that there are forces at work that divert funds away from programs and technology that would otherwise make these "forces" lose money but there's also those that do things for the betterment of mankind, I don't think funding NASA is a fools errand.

  • @Antimidation You make some excellent points, i had not thought of it that way. I hear a lot of people say idealism is dangerous or stupid, or foolish. I don't understand how thinking up new things has ever done more harm than good for mankind. People don't like change though, i can understand that, it's just human nature. The big question is can we grow out of our more destructive natural tendencies?

  • @Antimidation I read in the political program of Stewart Alexander candidate for President of The Socialist Party of USA. That he would increase the funding for the search for extraterrestrial life and make the search for extraterrestrials as part of the agenda of NASA. He would also make SETI part of NASA. I don't understand why UFOs are a taboo for NASA and for the US government. Thanks for your great motivation toward E.Ts !!

  • @maxistsocialist Tell me why it is important to search for extraterrestrial life is important. And then tell me why it is the most important thing we should be doing right now.

  • @maxistsocialist it's not taboo, there are just a lot of people who don't think discovering things that don;t directly affect us are important. How would we ever assume such a thing? A discovery of other life on another planet could change the way we think about ourselves and our planet.

  • @Antimidation Why do you value technology so much? You should raise this question so you can decide what is the best way to spend your resources.

  • @maxistsocialist Your sweeping generalizations make you appear quite intelligent, and your ability to categorize and simplify American culture to that degree suggest empathy. Well done.

  • i need a life......

    

  • What a cool documentary, we need to concentrate more in the search for extraterrestrials

  • @maxistsocialist Nasa receives .48% of the countries national budget. With that amount of money, nasa has enough to make everything you see today...space stations, space probes, rockets, ect. Imagine if they had a little more?

  • @Antimidation Imagine if the NASA budget were diverted to research clean, renewable energy systems. That sure would solve a lot more problems than any of the other things you mention. You might argue, but what if we find that system in space? However, that's a big "what if," especially when we have already found such sources here.

  • @VioletDeliriums Hey man yo