@SacTappingUnicorn noone. dna doesn't problem solve in an active sense however through mutation, genetic drift and natural selection, individuals may appear that have genetic advantages that when passed down from generation to generation, allow the species as a whole to overcome a problem.
The rete mirabile to which this arseclown is referring isn't as rare as he claims. It's quite a common structure found in anumber of animals. One has to wonder though if the creationists' creator is so clever, why did it make the recurrent laryngeal nerve 4 metres long in giraffes when it only needs to be a 10 cm?
Sorry I have to end on this one. Romans 1 vs 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
@UR2AwesomeGod Hey bro don't waste your time on these folks, they got an answer for everything. How can you teach those that know it all? Just look at the foaming at mouth frenzy I've worked them up into. Jesus said when they hate you remember they hated me first...one day we'll look down upon these people as they burn in hell and there will be no pity, they had their chance and made their choice. My God who fearfully and wonderfully created me rules!
Between you and me I think I would rather listen to the God who created the heavens and the earth and everything upon the earth. Each to their own belief of course. Looking at what he's created and done in my life I believe I'm on the winning side. But each to their own of course. :-)
Then Job replied to the LORD; I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. you asked, 'Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorance? It is I - and I was talking about things I knew nothing about things far too wonderful for me. You said, 'Listen and I will speak! I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.' I had only heard about you before, but now I have seen you with my own eys. I take back everything I said, and I .... show my repentance. Job 42:1-6
Then the LORD answered Job (sounds like robe) from the whirlwind:
Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them. Will you discredit my justice and condemn me just to prove you are right? Are you as strong as God? Can you thunder with a voice like his? Job 40 verse 7 to 9. Who has given me anything that I need to pay back? Everything under heaven is mine. Job 41 verse 11
Who else has held the oceans in his hand? Who has measured off the heavens with his fingers? Who else knows the weight of the earth or has weighed the mountains and hills on a scale? Who is able to advise the Spirit of the LORD? Who knows enough to give him advice or teach him? Has the LORD ever needed anyone’s advice? …. Isaiah 40 verse 12 – 14a
Evolution Unaided is a Superstition/Fable/Fairy Tale. It is NOT possible to reach complexity by Unaided / unguided small incremental steps...it goes against the Second Law of Thermodynamics, it goes against Probability. Order does not Rise out of Chaos, it never has it never will.
@MrJerrywhite 2nd law of thermodynamics: "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the final system will always be less than the initial." However, when energy is input the entropy of the system can be reduced. Your assertion is flawed because in evolution there is a tremendous amount of energy being input both by the predators and the creatures themselves that are pushing them towards uniformity/development.
@ScienceGuy97 There is Survival of the Fitest, Mutation, and Adaptation...these all being Built-In/Designed traits of the organism. ie...Bacterial Viruses mutating, a persons skin color changing due to environment, etc.
But one system cannot simply build itself without some type of pre-planning and/or physical assembly. Here is a link that addresses both Evolution Theory and Creation: w w w. christiananswers. net/creation/aqoo/
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT i just cant find myself to believe in evolition because of several things but here are a few of them how could this universe randomly come to be if it were slighty diferent life wouldnt exisist and the proof that the universe is expanding doesnt help evolution and i dont see how nothing can form into a single cell that is so complex and how that evolves into us there are no fossil records of things evolving in between steps and 6.3 billion seconds is 0 ad can u tink of year
@DeadIslandTrailers Evolution is a religion too and is actually based on early mystic writings in the jewish kabbalah , 1 A.D. See Talmud/Zohar/kabbalah . This guy more or less made up the 15.6 billion year model, which is widely used by evolutionists today. Hmmm....
The answer to this problem was already made 150 years ago. Gradually is not the same thing as one at a time. If the giraffe were to grow its neck and then its unique circulatory system, then yes it would be impossible. But the thing is, both evolved simultaneously. The incredible creatures series is only made up of such misconceptions and no one should think these are reliable.
This video is nothing more than the zillionth repetition of the fallacious Argument from Incredulity. Natural selection quite obviously favored a long neck to reach new food sources. It also favors any variation that keeps one from passing out when you lift your head.
Also, it's very selective to go on about the giraffe's neck without mentioning the ridiculous extra 15 feet of laryngeal nerve. It loops around the aorta - JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VERTEBRATE! Common descent, anyone?
@ktowers59 & @ ktowers59 Wow! Totally miss the point that evolution could not have done this natural selection style. Common descent, Puhleese... Why don't we have long neck cows? Why just the giraffe?
@cottoncandicane Why can't the giraffe bend down and lie comfortably if it is a product of intelligent design? Why does its offspring have to fall six feet to the ground at birth, (ouch!)? Why is its laryngeal nerve routed down through its chest if it didn't evolve from something with a very short/no neck, ( a fish)? Your intelligent designer is a total whack job who has no clue about efficient, clever design, (Shhh, a wee secret, HE DOESN'T EXIST, YA DAFTY!)
@CalumGilhooly when we/animals were created we were perfect! It was mans disobedience that led to the misery and suffering found in the world today. the consequences of the first adams sin was a curse put on the whole earth and man/animal kind included. Also the first sinner Lucifer/Satan was cast down to earth and it became his domain. He hates you as you are created in Gods image and he HATES God. He is able to bring suffering as far as God will allow him. Read book of Job.
@surferdjr What utter bilge! Read your post back to yourself! It sounds like a five year old making pathetic, transparent and totally BOGUS excuses for something they cannot explain or understand because they didn't do their homework. Everything was perfect & snakes could talk because there was no sin, total PISH! Jews & Chwistians have persecuted women for millenia because of that drivel about original sin. IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY TALE, YOU MORON! GOB'S IMAGE? Have you seen the freaks at WALMART?
@CalumGilhooly I've never persecuted woman and in fact Adam was standing right next to Eve when the serpant tempted her and he did nothing to stop her. He failed as a husband and protector, and the ultimate responsibility was his. I don't expect you to understand, but one day YOU WILL DIE. If there is life after death then there is only heaven or hell. If nothing after death then sweet no worries! But what if you are wrong?
Anyhoo not here to get in a debate with you, I'm 35 by the way and well educated, but faith isn't a matter of intelligence. You have faith that scientists today know what happened thousands of years ago yet none of them were around back then so I think your faith is pretty impressive. Also did you know that evolution is based on the teachings of the mystics behind the Kabbalah?
@surferdjr Well educated my arse, more like failed to graduate kindergarten. Scientists know what happened even millions of years ago because they have evidence and solid evidence = proof. You have a mistranslated, badly edited, counterfeited, fraudulent book that you base your ridiculous reality upon. I think your faith is pathetic. Kabbalah Shmaballah! That is total bullshit. Evolution is based upon observation of fossils, living creatures and DNA evidence. Epic theist FAIL!
@surferdjr Don't worry about not persecuting women, it has been done down through the ages by various factions of your Rabbi Death Cult. The fairy tale of Adam and Eve is just that A FUCKING FAIRY TALE! I guess since you take the Bibble literally, that you are a young earth creationist. I told my father in law, an eminent geologist about your '6,000 year old earth', he nearly pissed his pants laughing. YOU ARE WRONG!
@CalumGilhooly I don't belong to any rabbai death cult and the jews rejected Jesus too, therefore they're no better off than you are. The muslims treat woman worse than Jews do. Evolution is a fairy tale based on a Jewish mystic and his writings in the Kabbalah. Go work that one out. feel free to respond with some more abusive bullshit but you won't be hearing from me again. One day when we're both dead I'll see you in hell whilst I'm in Heaven with my creator and I won't be sad..
@surferdjr Thank you so much for confirming what a total dickwad you are. So smug in your false security of your silly death cult, (what else would you call a silly religion that worships the torture and execution of a Rabbi on a cross and even has copies of the cross, (with or without victim), as its main symbol. I like how you totally fail to follow the instructions of your so-called 'saviour'. The Kabbalah has fuck all to do with modern evolutionary theory, you cretin. What a twat
@surferdjr And part of the curse was rerouting the giraffe's laryngeal nerve 10+ feet to simulate the difficulty of evolution rerouting it to the other side of the aorta with negligible benefit? Is that right, you simpering simpleton?
@ktowers59 Haha I love how you guys just have answers for everything. Arrogant. The list of vestigial organs in humans has shrunk from 180 in 1890 to virtually none in 1999. Dawkins considers only its main destination, the larynx. The nerve also has a role in supplying parts of the heart, windpipe muscles and mucous membranes, and the esophagus, which could explain its route. Besides evolution depicts better doesn't it? How come it hasn't evolved to NOT be that way? Whose simple?
You're obviously referencing a deceptive creatard (redundant) argument. If not, please post a link to actual SCIENCE that agrees with this interpretation.
Branching to other bits near the larynx doesn't explain the loop into the chest- esp. in a giraffe!
Creatards lie like they breathe. Here's another example of them lying about this subject. Search for:
If you ever read a non-creatard source, you'd know that evolution predicts exactly the case. It can't design from scratch, only tinker w/ what's there. It's damn hard to "tinker" it to the other side of the aorta.
@surferdjr You know that creatards are lying for many reasons, but just one of them is because they will use mutually contradictory arguments simultaneously!:
1) There's a BS reason why it's not "bad design".
2) There's a BS reason why evolution shouldn't have made the "bad design".
"Whose simple?"
EVERY CREATARD EVER AND EVERY CREATARD ARGUMENT!
I predict you will not acknowledge any of these many refutations. That's because CREATARDS ARE DISHONEST!
@ktowers59 Thats cool man I'll give you the same reply I gave that other bloke. You won't hear from me after this. Not because I'm not into this I just know when I'm beating my head against a wall. But just a last thought for you..."It can't design from scratch" Well thats what eveolution is all about mate! Evolutionists continually change there own rules when it suits. Evolution ULTIMATELY teaches something came from nothing. Again whose simple. MORON
@surferdjr We know why we won't hear from you again - on this thread, anyway. It's for the predicted reason - you're a typical creatard & too dishonest to acknowledge all critiques. The wall you're beating your head on is reality.
As for your simpleton-level straw man and refutation - all you did was emphasize your inability to deal with any of the arguments presented.
Of course, you'll be back on many other threads spouting the same failed crap and claiming victory.
@ktowers59 More like common design principles used by an exceptionally talented creator? An internal combustion engine can come in different varieties, diesel, petrol, gas, efi, carburettor, etcetc but all have the same principles that make them work; oxygen/fuel ratio, compression ratio, component designs. All thought up, designed and tested by intelligent beings. A camels closest DNA companion is a shark! Some thing like 33%, which would attribute to similar principles used.
@surferdjr "A camels closest DNA companion is a shark! Some thing like 33%, which would attribute to similar principles used."
ROTFLMAO!!!! How effing stoopid do you think we are, dipsquat? A camel has more than 35% genetic commonality with a shark, but it has FAR, FAR more with a llama! You can;t just make sh-t up, moron!
I can't believe that there are still so many superstitious, religious fanatics still alive and kicking in the year 2011. I figured stupidity would be dead by know. I guess I was wrong.
@CalumGilhooly so wot?? dis isnt a typeen kontest dikhed u no wot i meent!! I jusd fourgot two put da uphostrophree in and left out an e? who da phuk karez. Dik!
@CalumGilhooly Just in a cheeky mood mate no harm meant! :). Check out how jyoho0114 spelt "now"..."know"...haha! Just remember most people type real fast like me and really don't bother with "spellcheck" as it's not as if it's a job interview or anything...just a comments page. But if it makes ya feel better keep up the good job with being the spell police YOU'RE very observant! Take care.
@surferdjr Yeah, I know but it's some sort of Murphy's law that if you call someone stupid on the internet, you will make a typing error in your comment and look stupid yourself. I've seen it happen a hundred times, especially to me. Using Google Chrome helps because of its automatic checker but yeah, who gives a phuck?
Evolve - develop gradually, undergo evolution, gradual change in the characteristics of living things over sucessive generations, to a more complex form.
We were already beautifully and wonderfully made/created. Complex. There was no need to evolve anymore. Then we let sin into our lives and from then on our bodies experienced death. God never wanted us to suffer but we didn't want him and wanted to live life our own way. So suffering followed.
God, the LORD, created the heavens and stretched them out. He created the earth and everything in it. He gives breath and life to everyone in all the world.... Isaiah 42 verse 5a.
When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn't realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
If God created humans, if God created animals, if God created everything upon this earth... then would he not be the author of science because it came from him. How does the body do what it does, the function of the liver, the kidneys, the heart, the skin. Who created DNA, who created cell regeneration. Who created the flea to who created the elephant. How does each animal have it's own character and it's life cycle. Who created the stars and who created gravity.
the Giraffe has evolved that so that doesn't happen its shown in the dinosaurs which also had long necks like brachiosaurus come on we're in 2011 people shouldn't be thinking that the world is only 6000 years old your just too dumb to understand science so believe in god so that you don't feel stupid because you think you know
You can not believe in this if you do not have faith in God. You can not believe in creation if you don't believe in the creator.
But this is a short account of how God created this earth and us.
We are to care for what God has given us.
Every man and women came from Adam and Eve so we were all born with that sin in our lives... except Jesus. He has come to bring us back to God the Father.
In the Garden, God walked with Adam and Eve and he wants to be part of our lives today.
@Wattapus You can not believe in this if you do not have faith in God. Text is taken out of the Bible. You don't have to believe the Bible is the truth. To be honest in comparison to the Theories that out there it makes more sense. But again that is my opinion (The Bible's opinion and I am welcome to it.) If people can share their views, why am I not welcome to share mine?
God gave one warning... one rule... only one. But regrettably they disobeyed it. God said you would surely die if you disobey this one rule. Because they disobeyed God they were cast out of this beautiful garden to live in this world and from that time our human bodies would experience death. This world would experience deterioration. But the good news is God has created a New Heaven and a New earth (not touched by human hands) and those who believe in him and his Son Jesus will see it.
And the LORD God formed a man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life . And the man became a living person. Genesis 2 vs 7
.... But still there was no companion suitable for him. So the LORD God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep. He took one of Adam's ribs and closed up the place from which he had taken it. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib and brought her to Adam. Genesis 2 vs 20b to 22.
And God said, "Let the earth bring forth every kind of animal - livestock, small animals, and wildlife." And so it was. God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to reproduce more of its own kind. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1 vs 24 - 25
And God said, "let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind." So God created great sea creatures and every sort of fish and every kind of bird. And God saw that it was good. Then God blessed them, saying, "let the fish multiply and fill the oceans. Let the birds increase and fill the earth." This happened on the fifth day. Genesis 1 vs 20 - 23
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness. And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness "night." Together these made up one day. Genesis 1 vs 1 to 5
@325nicaea Sorry, but you have the wrong idea. You mustn't be catholic to be saved. Just because some pope guy said that, doesn't mean thats what God said. Do you read the KJV Bible? Or do you just listen to what a man says & not God? Read the living word. Galatians 3:20 says "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." That means you shouldn't have any mediators between you and God. Dont pray to mary & have her pass on the message. It doesn't work that way. God asks to pray to Him
Exept tht we creationists believe tht God created everything, & evolution believes tht nothing exploded & formed everything. According to evolution theory, billions of years ago, all the dirt in the universe was draw into a tiny dot, it spun, exploded, & there ya go. Big bang, everything. Where did this dirt come from? u dnt know. We believe tht God created everything and u ask, were did God come frm? & we dont know. So basically we believe in the begining God, & u believe in the begining dirt.
@DianaPuzankova waitwaitwaitwait...I thought that it was YOU who believed that man was created from dirt...Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
If you don't even know what evolution is then you should shut up and actually learn about it.
"So basically we believe in the begining God, & u believe in the begining dirt."
The "beginning dirt" is a natural explanation and studying it can actually take us somewhere in the long run. God is a supernatural explanation and there's nothing to study and it won't ever take us anywhere. We are supposed to "just believe it".
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Look at the human brain and the complexity of that, what about the cell or how Dna can't just change. Evolution says it all happened by chance how low of a chance is that?
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT How did you come to that conclusion? Have you studied both sides of the argument because I have....And the lottery comparison makes not much sense...people almost have to win a lottery....Evolution is different Dna can't change like that....Know your facts :)
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Ok Dna is 50% of each parent so your not going to get a zebra out of two monkeys..It's pretty simple....Doesn't need a whole definition
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT First of all they say its to complex to evolve...Second of all evolution believes in evolving and intelligent design believes that it was all made at once...So do me a favor and no your facts :)
From e-mail exhange between Michael Behe and YouTube user "DonExodus":
Behe: "Yes, I think we share an ancestor with other primates. However, I certainly don't think the process leading to the appearance of humans was Darwinian."
DonExodus: "Would it be correct to say then that you feel we share a common ancestor, and trough guided mutations and natural selections, humans arose?"
The funny thing is that ID people can't even decide what ID means. As pointed out Behe does not say that all species were created in their current forms but instead "evolved" in a non-Darwinian way his main point being that there's something guiding the mutations and they are not random.
Some other ID people may be actual creationists (even young-earth) rejecting all aspects of evolution.
So there are a lot of different "facts" to know depending whose "facts" we are talking about.
Evolution requires a lot of believing in the impossible. Like, when was the last time you seen or heard of something blowing up and not getting destroyed but changing for the better? uhhh. never? or was that 4.6 billiooooon years ago? Oh yeah. Is that because your great great great great x1,000,000 grandpa was there as a bacteria & happened to pass the story along? You know that you believe that by your faith and not science. Therefore it's also religion.
@DianaPuzankova "You know that you believe that by your faith and not science. Therefore it's also religion."
You can have faith without religion. There's unreasonable faith and there's reasonable faith. I have reasonable faith in the scientific process because it has proven it's usefulness over time.
Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science". His wonderful work is seen all around us & evolution tries oh so hard to prove something that will never have any real evidence. Don't try to question about these little things if you won't want to accept the answer when you find it anyway. And don't think that evolution is science and creation is religion. No. It's ALL religious.
@DianaPuzankova "Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science"."
The (scientific) theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a god or several gods.
Many people don't have any trouble combining a belief in a god and the acceptance of evolution as a fact and the theory of evolution as a valid scientific theory.
BTW, I fucking HATE the way the narrator of the video says "Why don't giraffes get dizzy when they stand up?" He's sounds like Jerry Seinfeld telling a joke.
Here's my question "How do people dumb enough to believe this idiotic crap, which has PROVEN to be false, manage to wipe their own asses and feed themselves?"
I'm not saying you can disprove the existence of a "god" although it's EXTREMELY unlikely and logically unsound, but I can tell you, for a FACT, that the bible is 90% lies.
@EvilDanHalen Wouldn't you rather live your life believing there IS a God, then die to find out there isn't, or do you prefer to live your life thinking there is no God to later find out that there is?
@DianaPuzankova Ah, Pasqual's Wager, a poorly constructed thought experiment so simple that I myself "invented" it in 5th grade, before I had ever heard of the man named Pasqual. I also dismissed it. Wouldn't you rather believe in Thor, and find out he's not real, rather than not believe and miss out on Valhalla? Or Buddha and Nirvana? Or how about Zeus and Hades? Or Jupiter and Elysium? The fact is, Christianity robbed earlier pagan myths, many gods are virgin's sons who return from the dead
From a previous comment I know that you're young so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I hope when you leave home and manage to strike out on your own you may be able to find out things for yourself instead of being told by adults with ulterior motives. I suspect you've undergone much brainwashing so I wish you well.
Back to that room full of people. If the roof fell in and killed everyone over 6'' tall (called a "bottleneck" event) the phenotypical and genotypical traits of the whole group have "evolved" to a shorter stature. Yes, you can have children taller than you, but if you have 10 kids, most with be your height, and you will have the same # of shorter than you as taller than. Now, if that group leaves the room and is attacked by a predator which eats the shorter people, the group evolves again.
An other example of bad "design" is a nerve that goes from the brain into the chest, where is devides, and one of the branches goes back up to the larynx. What kind of creator would do this?
Taking evolution into account it makes sense. Fishes don't have necks so the nerve wasn't inefficient. When the neck grew the branch couldn't jump over the bones, so it just became longer.
The giraffe was featured in the dissection series 'Inside Nature's Giants'. However, the dissectors interpreted the giraffe's anatomy as evolutionary products based on evolutionary assumptions. If the giraffe were to evolve, Its 'wonder net' around its brain will have to evolve at the same time as the neck elongation. As for the laryngeal nerve, I think that's positioned by the Creator in such a way so that it doesn't get damaged when the giraffe lowers its head to get a drink
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT As the bible tells...Sin enter the world when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit in the garden. When this happen, sin became a part of this world forever changing all the perfect things God had created. That is why to this day everything is becoming worse. Too simple of an answer? Maybe for you.
Dolphins and whales had gills but they lost them because of sin? Kiwis could fly when there was no sin? Mammals' retinas were turned the other way because of sin but in spite of sin there brains were still allowed to adapt to the inverted retina? Are there any pre-sin fossils of dolphins and whales with gills?
What if there was evolution because of sin? "Perfect" life was destroyed and life started again from scratch and was left on it's own? Sounds plausible?
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Some very good questions. They due sound plausible. Myself I check all things in light of scripture. We are left with a lot of answer in the bible about all sorts of science studies. Unfortunitly they don't go as deep as mans mind would like to go. I don't know why but maybe one reason is because God wants us to forcus on Him and each other? I also believe that because of Gods "common grace" we are blessed to study and learn about so many things like evolution/creation.
Your answer doesn't sound simple anymore. It's getting complicated. (All that trouble of creating perfect creatures, then letting sin enter the world and purposefully ruining all the hard creation work so far...)
Even evolution sounds simpler. ;-)
And then of course some Christians have no problem in God and Evolution co-existing. Like Kenneth Miller - professor of Biology - who wrote the book "Finding Darwin's God".
@gregrutz You assume I was always a Christian with this comment. Your statement may hold true if ones brain were a one sided blank piece of paper.
There are ZERO!! transition fossils and ZERO species still alive that are transitioning. Animals are being extincted and not evolving. Stop and think for yourself and pick an animal that you think evolved. A whale from a cow? Seriously. How did it feed it self between loosing limbs? How did it defend itself? THINK don't just pick a side and fight!
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT The God you should ask is the Spirit of Truth, or the Father. After all, think about it. If there is a father of lies, there must be a Spirit of Truth. to quote James the Brother: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." Just ask.
@therealfriday13th Matthew 5:42 reads, in relevant part, "Give to him that asketh thee..." with the surrounding passages dealing with how to treat those who wrong you(this is, in fact, the famous speech where Jesus decries eye for an eye. I would have liked for someone to recognize that...)
Also, from what I can tell, this "Law of Consecration" is purely a Mormon concept, in Doctrine and Covenants 41, 42, and 51, unless it is called something else in mainstream christianity.
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science". His wonderful work is seen all around us & evolution tries oh so hard to prove something that will never have any real evidence. Don't try to question about these little things if you won't want to accept the answer when you find it anyway. And don't think that evolution is science and creation is religion. No. It's ALL religious.
@therealfriday13th I would give you links to some Godblessed evidence, but it looks like your soo far lost that you don't want to hear or accept reality anymore. I have a lot to say to this, but you won't believe a thing anyway. I still can't understand how people can believe such a fairy tale like "millions of years ago" EVOLUTION HAS NO PROOF FOR THAT AT ALL! & Carbon dating is just as big of a lie as the whole evolution theory! I dont mean to burst your bubble or anything... but truth hurts.
@DianaPuzankova " I would give you links to some Godblessed evidence, but it looks like your soo far lost that you don't want to hear or accept reality anymore. "
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Hahaha this is sooo exciting! I wanna be a debater when I grow up! Okay I know a lot for a little 16 year old. & by the way, there is only ONE true living God. & that's the one with all the strength, love, mercy (that we don't deserve), and power. HE is our creator. Not those man-made gods that are not even alive. Oh & there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for the earth to be billions of years old! none! haha ok heres the link watch?v=szBTl3S24MY&feature=feedlik
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT My facts are more correct then yourss you big guy behind the screen that sits there and debates fake stuff for everybody else & they just like your stuff cuz its wrong. Just becuz Im not using big scientific terms doesnt mean Im not smarter. & Kent Hovind is the best. Ur just jealous bcuz he has all his facts straight & that creation proves evolution wrongg. like I said, truth hurts.. & udidn't tell me how the earth happens to be so old yet. & how can a big bang make stuff.
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Oh ok. but Im not being mean or anything! Sorry if I sounded mean. But what I ment by "big scientific words" is how wer explaining the evolution theory. I said it how it is. logically. witout prettying it up or making it sound big & real. Cuz, its realy not. Well, I love you all!! Evn though your all evolutionists, were all Gods creation, we just have our own freedom of choice in what to believe in. But we will most definitely be judged for it later. Have a wonderful day :)
@DianaPuzankova The fact that you think it's CARBON dating that gives the millions of years figure show me your ignorance on the matter, but I'll still correct you. Carbon dating only works for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years, so scientists DON'T USE IT FOR VERY OLD THINGS. Also, EVOLUTION doesn't NEED proof of the age of the earth because that isn't PART OF THE THEORY. Hell, that's not even in the same freaking field. The age of the earth is dealt with in geophysics and chemistry, NOT biology.
All those things are examples of stupid design and compromises. If things were "created" or "intelligently designed" they would have been designed better.
I don't get your point with this:
"Oh, and like evolution would be perfect too"
The whole point is that evolution produces imperfect results and all kinds of "Incompetent Design" in the nature can be explained by evolution.
As can also all the seemingly genious design.
Nothing points to a creator if you look closely enough.
Well, lets take the moon for example. Asteroids pass by our moon and leave a predictable amount of dust every year, as been observed by scientists. The spaceship that landed on the moon had legs that were rather wide, to keep its balance on millions of years of dust, and not sink into giant dust bunnies. There wasn't very much dust at all! Only about 6,000 years worth of dust. Now, we have the primordial soup, just sitting there, 1/2
Quoting the AnswersInGenesis website: "...modern scientists cannot know the rate of dust accumulation in the past or the amount of dust originally on the moon. Therefore moon dust cannot be used as an age indicator one way or the other. "
And that website is actually on "your side". But they actually don't repeat every old mistaken creationist hoax like a parrot. Maybe you shouldn't do that either.
How do animals have a similar design? Why do mammals all breathe oxygen using lungs? Why do we all have brains, nerves, hearts, eyes etc. that look alot alike? If we just evolved from a hydrothermal vent, randomly changing, animals would have all sorts of variatons. Instead, we have so many similarites. Also, how do you explain animals that can breed with each other evolving at the same time, then they find each other and mate and it works 1/2
@IvyTheBunny "How do animals have a similar design? "
Because they have evolved from a common ancestor. That's the whole idea of evolution.
And that's exactly why there are these silly things like the larynxial nerve of the giraffe.
We are closely related to other apes like chimps, less with other mammals like pigs, even less with reptiles, even less with amphibians, even less with fish but that's where the nerve's silly pathway comes from.
Okay, then show me one actual fossil chain that shows and proves we evolved from fish/chimps/pigs the one used most commonly has been disproved at every link. How are we related to fish anyhow? Please elaborate? And, we are closer to pigs than we are chimps, in medical schools, sheep/pig hearts are examined, not chimps.
@IvyTheBunny "Okay, then show me one actual fossil chain"
The fossils are not the only evidence for evolution. The evidence for evolution is presented in several books like Dawkins: "The Greatest Show On Earth", Jerry Coyne: "Why Evolution Is True" - both quite recent publications with up-to-date knowledge.
One book that's focuses especially on the fossil evidence is Donald Prothero: "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters"
@IvyTheBunny "And, we are closer to pigs than we are chimps, in medical schools, sheep/pig hearts are examined, not chimps."
Pig's heart may be anatomically closer to human than chimp's heart but genetically and in the "tree of life" we are closer to chimps than pigs. I.e. we are closer "relatives" with chimps (and other apes) then we are with pigs and other non-apes and non-primates.
"How are we related to fish anyhow?"
Mammals <- reptiles <- amphibians <- fish is the evolutionary chain.
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT *begins watching insanely long video* Okay, assembly of skeptics, semi-skeptics, sort of sckeptics mabey even *chuckles* believers, well, we're all believers of varius things, right *chuckles with audience* Woah, woah, woah. Okay there are six basic concepts of evolution. 1. Cosmic evolution Big Bang 2.Chemical e. Higher elements e. 3. E. of stars/planets from gas 4. Organic e. Life from rocks (this one made me laugh the most.....(^0^) 5. Macro-e. Changes 1/2
Okay, you just have to note that, only the last one has been observed and can be called science, the first five are just belived by faith, so here we have this guy on his podium, slamming belivers when he is one himself?
*continues watching insanely long video with hypocrite behind podium* 2/2
@IvyTheBunny "Micro e. changes within kinds. Okay, you just have to note that, only the last one has been observed and can be called science"
As I commented in the other video's comments (twice!!!) also macroevolution i.e. speciation has been observed and you can find information about that by searching for "ring species".
How many times do I have to say that?
How many times are you going to say that it hasn't been observed?
*sigh* 0_0 You are correct on one point, this is getting ridiculous. There are so many gaps in evolution, that we could go in circles for days, as I then point out, that okay, so what if the fifth whatcha-ma-call-it of evolution has been 'observed' the other four haven't, then you say something to cover that up, then we go on and on and on arguing like children over a point that will be proven when the earth ends anyhow, so go along and belive in your evolution 1/2
Also, seeing as my little laptop is having issues with the large video, lets look at that fish>amphibian>reptile>mammal thing. Proove to me that we evolved from fish as, the "gill slits" on the human embryo have been long disprooved. Proove to me that we evolved from amphibians/reptiles, because I haven't heard the evolutionist excuse for those. Proove to me we came frome apes as, our "vestigial organ" (the end of the tail bone) that "prooves" we had tails 1/2
@IvyTheBunny "Proove to me that we evolved from fish"
Proove to me that the scientific consensus i.e. all the (sane and not religiously biased) scientist out there who say so are wrong.
Why should I (a non-scientist) proove it in a YouTube comment when all the experts on that topic have already done that many times. The information is out there. Go read a book.
@IvyTheBunny "Proove to me we came frome apes as, our "vestigial organ" (the end of the tail bone) that "prooves" we had tails anchors nine muscles, and therefore it is not vestigial."
anchors nine muscles, and therefore it is not vestigial. Lucy,heidelberg,nebraska,piltdown,peking,neandrathal,new guinea, and cro-magon all have been disprooved or have major faults in their evidence a.k.a peking man, or the last three, including the neandrathal, are all modern man. Neandrithal was an old man that had arthritis, as stated by Dr. AJ.E Cave. So,what evidence do you have to patch this one up? There is no series of fossils, the only evidence is that 2/3
so who told the DNA to problem solve?
SacTappingUnicorn 2 weeks ago
@SacTappingUnicorn noone. dna doesn't problem solve in an active sense however through mutation, genetic drift and natural selection, individuals may appear that have genetic advantages that when passed down from generation to generation, allow the species as a whole to overcome a problem.
uknowispeaksense 1 week ago
The rete mirabile to which this arseclown is referring isn't as rare as he claims. It's quite a common structure found in anumber of animals. One has to wonder though if the creationists' creator is so clever, why did it make the recurrent laryngeal nerve 4 metres long in giraffes when it only needs to be a 10 cm?
uknowispeaksense 1 month ago
Sorry I have to end on this one. Romans 1 vs 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
UR2AwesomeGod 1 month ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
@UR2AwesomeGod No excuse except that he DOESN'T SHOW HIMSELF AND IS A FIGMENT OF THE FETID IMAGINATIONS OF A BUNCH OF GOATHERDING PSYCHOPATHS. IDIOT!
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@UR2AwesomeGod Hey bro don't waste your time on these folks, they got an answer for everything. How can you teach those that know it all? Just look at the foaming at mouth frenzy I've worked them up into. Jesus said when they hate you remember they hated me first...one day we'll look down upon these people as they burn in hell and there will be no pity, they had their chance and made their choice. My God who fearfully and wonderfully created me rules!
surferdjr 1 month ago
Between you and me I think I would rather listen to the God who created the heavens and the earth and everything upon the earth. Each to their own belief of course. Looking at what he's created and done in my life I believe I'm on the winning side. But each to their own of course. :-)
UR2AwesomeGod 1 month ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
Then Job replied to the LORD; I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. you asked, 'Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorance? It is I - and I was talking about things I knew nothing about things far too wonderful for me. You said, 'Listen and I will speak! I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.' I had only heard about you before, but now I have seen you with my own eys. I take back everything I said, and I .... show my repentance. Job 42:1-6
UR2AwesomeGod 1 month ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
Then the LORD answered Job (sounds like robe) from the whirlwind:
Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them. Will you discredit my justice and condemn me just to prove you are right? Are you as strong as God? Can you thunder with a voice like his? Job 40 verse 7 to 9. Who has given me anything that I need to pay back? Everything under heaven is mine. Job 41 verse 11
UR2AwesomeGod 1 month ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
Who else has held the oceans in his hand? Who has measured off the heavens with his fingers? Who else knows the weight of the earth or has weighed the mountains and hills on a scale? Who is able to advise the Spirit of the LORD? Who knows enough to give him advice or teach him? Has the LORD ever needed anyone’s advice? …. Isaiah 40 verse 12 – 14a
UR2AwesomeGod 1 month ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
Evolution Unaided is a Superstition/Fable/Fairy Tale. It is NOT possible to reach complexity by Unaided / unguided small incremental steps...it goes against the Second Law of Thermodynamics, it goes against Probability. Order does not Rise out of Chaos, it never has it never will.
MrJerrywhite 2 months ago
@MrJerrywhite 2nd law of thermodynamics: "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the final system will always be less than the initial." However, when energy is input the entropy of the system can be reduced. Your assertion is flawed because in evolution there is a tremendous amount of energy being input both by the predators and the creatures themselves that are pushing them towards uniformity/development.
ScienceGuy97 2 months ago
@ScienceGuy97 There is Survival of the Fitest, Mutation, and Adaptation...these all being Built-In/Designed traits of the organism. ie...Bacterial Viruses mutating, a persons skin color changing due to environment, etc.
But one system cannot simply build itself without some type of pre-planning and/or physical assembly. Here is a link that addresses both Evolution Theory and Creation: w w w. christiananswers. net/creation/aqoo/
MrJerrywhite 2 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT i just cant find myself to believe in evolition because of several things but here are a few of them how could this universe randomly come to be if it were slighty diferent life wouldnt exisist and the proof that the universe is expanding doesnt help evolution and i dont see how nothing can form into a single cell that is so complex and how that evolves into us there are no fossil records of things evolving in between steps and 6.3 billion seconds is 0 ad can u tink of year
dreo848 3 months ago
evolution takes a very long period of time.
religious bullshit has no proof of anything, it's just nonsense for the ignorant.
DeadIslandTrailers 3 months ago
@DeadIslandTrailers Evolution is a religion too and is actually based on early mystic writings in the jewish kabbalah , 1 A.D. See Talmud/Zohar/kabbalah . This guy more or less made up the 15.6 billion year model, which is widely used by evolutionists today. Hmmm....
surferdjr 1 month ago
Natural selection, that's just the survival of a species fit for a changing environment. Not evolution.
XxAdamJxX 3 months ago
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The answer to this problem was already made 150 years ago. Gradually is not the same thing as one at a time. If the giraffe were to grow its neck and then its unique circulatory system, then yes it would be impossible. But the thing is, both evolved simultaneously. The incredible creatures series is only made up of such misconceptions and no one should think these are reliable.
pat5168 4 months ago
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Haha I lovethis video. "Well, my brain will hurt if I think about it too much, so god must have done it."
pat5168 4 months ago
This video is nothing more than the zillionth repetition of the fallacious Argument from Incredulity. Natural selection quite obviously favored a long neck to reach new food sources. It also favors any variation that keeps one from passing out when you lift your head.
Also, it's very selective to go on about the giraffe's neck without mentioning the ridiculous extra 15 feet of laryngeal nerve. It loops around the aorta - JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VERTEBRATE! Common descent, anyone?
ktowers59 4 months ago
@ktowers59 & @ ktowers59 Wow! Totally miss the point that evolution could not have done this natural selection style. Common descent, Puhleese... Why don't we have long neck cows? Why just the giraffe?
cottoncandicane 3 months ago
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@cottoncandicane Perfect example of creationist irrationality:
Me: "... fallacious Argument from Incredulity. Natural selection ... favored a long neck ... (and not) passing out when you lift your head."
You: (fallacious Argument by Assertion)
Me: "... go on about the giraffe's neck without mentioning ... JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VERTEBRATE! Common descent, anyone?"
You: (ignored laryngeal nerve evidence for common descent in favor of an Argument by Non Sequitur)
BRAIN DEAD CREATIONIST!
ktowers59 3 months ago
@cottoncandicane Why can't the giraffe bend down and lie comfortably if it is a product of intelligent design? Why does its offspring have to fall six feet to the ground at birth, (ouch!)? Why is its laryngeal nerve routed down through its chest if it didn't evolve from something with a very short/no neck, ( a fish)? Your intelligent designer is a total whack job who has no clue about efficient, clever design, (Shhh, a wee secret, HE DOESN'T EXIST, YA DAFTY!)
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@CalumGilhooly when we/animals were created we were perfect! It was mans disobedience that led to the misery and suffering found in the world today. the consequences of the first adams sin was a curse put on the whole earth and man/animal kind included. Also the first sinner Lucifer/Satan was cast down to earth and it became his domain. He hates you as you are created in Gods image and he HATES God. He is able to bring suffering as far as God will allow him. Read book of Job.
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr What utter bilge! Read your post back to yourself! It sounds like a five year old making pathetic, transparent and totally BOGUS excuses for something they cannot explain or understand because they didn't do their homework. Everything was perfect & snakes could talk because there was no sin, total PISH! Jews & Chwistians have persecuted women for millenia because of that drivel about original sin. IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY TALE, YOU MORON! GOB'S IMAGE? Have you seen the freaks at WALMART?
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@CalumGilhooly I've never persecuted woman and in fact Adam was standing right next to Eve when the serpant tempted her and he did nothing to stop her. He failed as a husband and protector, and the ultimate responsibility was his. I don't expect you to understand, but one day YOU WILL DIE. If there is life after death then there is only heaven or hell. If nothing after death then sweet no worries! But what if you are wrong?
surferdjr 1 month ago
Anyhoo not here to get in a debate with you, I'm 35 by the way and well educated, but faith isn't a matter of intelligence. You have faith that scientists today know what happened thousands of years ago yet none of them were around back then so I think your faith is pretty impressive. Also did you know that evolution is based on the teachings of the mystics behind the Kabbalah?
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr Well educated my arse, more like failed to graduate kindergarten. Scientists know what happened even millions of years ago because they have evidence and solid evidence = proof. You have a mistranslated, badly edited, counterfeited, fraudulent book that you base your ridiculous reality upon. I think your faith is pathetic. Kabbalah Shmaballah! That is total bullshit. Evolution is based upon observation of fossils, living creatures and DNA evidence. Epic theist FAIL!
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@surferdjr Everything you wrote is logically dodgy or a flat out lie.
ktowers59 1 month ago
@surferdjr Don't worry about not persecuting women, it has been done down through the ages by various factions of your Rabbi Death Cult. The fairy tale of Adam and Eve is just that A FUCKING FAIRY TALE! I guess since you take the Bibble literally, that you are a young earth creationist. I told my father in law, an eminent geologist about your '6,000 year old earth', he nearly pissed his pants laughing. YOU ARE WRONG!
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@CalumGilhooly I don't belong to any rabbai death cult and the jews rejected Jesus too, therefore they're no better off than you are. The muslims treat woman worse than Jews do. Evolution is a fairy tale based on a Jewish mystic and his writings in the Kabbalah. Go work that one out. feel free to respond with some more abusive bullshit but you won't be hearing from me again. One day when we're both dead I'll see you in hell whilst I'm in Heaven with my creator and I won't be sad..
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr Thank you so much for confirming what a total dickwad you are. So smug in your false security of your silly death cult, (what else would you call a silly religion that worships the torture and execution of a Rabbi on a cross and even has copies of the cross, (with or without victim), as its main symbol. I like how you totally fail to follow the instructions of your so-called 'saviour'. The Kabbalah has fuck all to do with modern evolutionary theory, you cretin. What a twat
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@surferdjr And part of the curse was rerouting the giraffe's laryngeal nerve 10+ feet to simulate the difficulty of evolution rerouting it to the other side of the aorta with negligible benefit? Is that right, you simpering simpleton?
ktowers59 1 month ago
@ktowers59 Haha I love how you guys just have answers for everything. Arrogant. The list of vestigial organs in humans has shrunk from 180 in 1890 to virtually none in 1999. Dawkins considers only its main destination, the larynx. The nerve also has a role in supplying parts of the heart, windpipe muscles and mucous membranes, and the esophagus, which could explain its route. Besides evolution depicts better doesn't it? How come it hasn't evolved to NOT be that way? Whose simple?
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr Just go to Wikipedia and search 'Human vestigiality' and you will see why the list has shrunk, you idiot. You are simple beyond imagining!
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@surferdjr YOU ARE!
You're obviously referencing a deceptive creatard (redundant) argument. If not, please post a link to actual SCIENCE that agrees with this interpretation.
Branching to other bits near the larynx doesn't explain the loop into the chest- esp. in a giraffe!
Creatards lie like they breathe. Here's another example of them lying about this subject. Search for:
rationalskepticism
recurrent-laryngeal-nerve-good-design-according-to-icr
ktowers59 1 month ago
@surferdjr A highlight - an average Joe seeing straight through creationist BS:
"Here are some observations on Bergman's arguments. I'm not a biology type, but even I can see how stupid these are."
ktowers59 1 month ago
@surferdjr "Besides evolution depicts better doesn't it?"
HELL, NO!
"How come it hasn't evolved to NOT be that way?"
If you ever read a non-creatard source, you'd know that evolution predicts exactly the case. It can't design from scratch, only tinker w/ what's there. It's damn hard to "tinker" it to the other side of the aorta.
"Whose simple?"
YOU ARE!
ktowers59 1 month ago
@surferdjr You know that creatards are lying for many reasons, but just one of them is because they will use mutually contradictory arguments simultaneously!:
1) There's a BS reason why it's not "bad design".
2) There's a BS reason why evolution shouldn't have made the "bad design".
"Whose simple?"
EVERY CREATARD EVER AND EVERY CREATARD ARGUMENT!
I predict you will not acknowledge any of these many refutations. That's because CREATARDS ARE DISHONEST!
ktowers59 1 month ago
@ktowers59 Thats cool man I'll give you the same reply I gave that other bloke. You won't hear from me after this. Not because I'm not into this I just know when I'm beating my head against a wall. But just a last thought for you..."It can't design from scratch" Well thats what eveolution is all about mate! Evolutionists continually change there own rules when it suits. Evolution ULTIMATELY teaches something came from nothing. Again whose simple. MORON
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr We know why we won't hear from you again - on this thread, anyway. It's for the predicted reason - you're a typical creatard & too dishonest to acknowledge all critiques. The wall you're beating your head on is reality.
As for your simpleton-level straw man and refutation - all you did was emphasize your inability to deal with any of the arguments presented.
Of course, you'll be back on many other threads spouting the same failed crap and claiming victory.
ktowers59 1 month ago
@ktowers59 More like common design principles used by an exceptionally talented creator? An internal combustion engine can come in different varieties, diesel, petrol, gas, efi, carburettor, etcetc but all have the same principles that make them work; oxygen/fuel ratio, compression ratio, component designs. All thought up, designed and tested by intelligent beings. A camels closest DNA companion is a shark! Some thing like 33%, which would attribute to similar principles used.
surferdjr 1 month ago
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@surferdjr "A camels closest DNA companion is a shark! Some thing like 33%, which would attribute to similar principles used."
ROTFLMAO!!!! How effing stoopid do you think we are, dipsquat? A camel has more than 35% genetic commonality with a shark, but it has FAR, FAR more with a llama! You can;t just make sh-t up, moron!
ktowers59 1 month ago
Trying to steal one of the best proofs of Natural Selection?
Oooo the *nerve* of some people!!! :)
kandtell 5 months ago
I can't believe that there are still so many superstitious, religious fanatics still alive and kicking in the year 2011. I figured stupidity would be dead by know. I guess I was wrong.
jyoho0114 6 months ago 7
@jyoho0114 & @ ktowers59 Wow! Totally miss the point that evolution could not have done this natural selection style.
cottoncandicane 3 months ago
@cottoncandicane Wow! Totally miss the point that bare assertion is the lowest of all fallacies.
ktowers59 1 month ago
@jyoho0114 well your still alive so no stupidity is clearly still here...
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr the word is " you're " you idiot!
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@CalumGilhooly so wot?? dis isnt a typeen kontest dikhed u no wot i meent!! I jusd fourgot two put da uphostrophree in and left out an e? who da phuk karez. Dik!
surferdjr 1 month ago
@CalumGilhooly Just in a cheeky mood mate no harm meant! :). Check out how jyoho0114 spelt "now"..."know"...haha! Just remember most people type real fast like me and really don't bother with "spellcheck" as it's not as if it's a job interview or anything...just a comments page. But if it makes ya feel better keep up the good job with being the spell police YOU'RE very observant! Take care.
surferdjr 1 month ago
@surferdjr Yeah, I know but it's some sort of Murphy's law that if you call someone stupid on the internet, you will make a typing error in your comment and look stupid yourself. I've seen it happen a hundred times, especially to me. Using Google Chrome helps because of its automatic checker but yeah, who gives a phuck?
CalumGilhooly 1 month ago
@jyoho0114 what is so stupid about this video? Have you studied evolution theory?
yesgrace1 1 week ago
Evolve - develop gradually, undergo evolution, gradual change in the characteristics of living things over sucessive generations, to a more complex form.
We were already beautifully and wonderfully made/created. Complex. There was no need to evolve anymore. Then we let sin into our lives and from then on our bodies experienced death. God never wanted us to suffer but we didn't want him and wanted to live life our own way. So suffering followed.
But he so wants us to return to HIm.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
God, the LORD, created the heavens and stretched them out. He created the earth and everything in it. He gives breath and life to everyone in all the world.... Isaiah 42 verse 5a.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
And how does this disprove evolution?
chigeh 6 months ago
LOL at gullible creationist dummies!
analogblue 6 months ago
If there is a God who did do all of this, wouldn't you want to know him? I do.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
@UR2AwesomeGod But there isn't, because there is zero evidence of it, or for anything supernatural at all, so moot point.
ktowers59 1 month ago
Jesus said in Matthew 24 vs 37-39
When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn't realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
I choose getting on the boat.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
God created.
Who knows this earths final end?
Who said a new heaven and a new earth will come down. God.
If we were in Noah's day... the choice would be whether you want to come onto the Ark or not. He wants you to. Choose.
Choose to believe in the God who created the heavens and the earth and everything that lives upon it, or not.
Choose to believe in his son the Lord Jesus Christ or not.
Choose to believe in the Author of Science or not.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
If God created humans, if God created animals, if God created everything upon this earth... then would he not be the author of science because it came from him. How does the body do what it does, the function of the liver, the kidneys, the heart, the skin. Who created DNA, who created cell regeneration. Who created the flea to who created the elephant. How does each animal have it's own character and it's life cycle. Who created the stars and who created gravity.
UR2AwesomeGod 6 months ago
the Giraffe has evolved that so that doesn't happen its shown in the dinosaurs which also had long necks like brachiosaurus come on we're in 2011 people shouldn't be thinking that the world is only 6000 years old your just too dumb to understand science so believe in god so that you don't feel stupid because you think you know
identifymenot 7 months ago
It saddens me that in this day and age crap like this can still be taken seriously.
Wattapus 7 months ago
You can not believe in this if you do not have faith in God. You can not believe in creation if you don't believe in the creator.
But this is a short account of how God created this earth and us.
We are to care for what God has given us.
Every man and women came from Adam and Eve so we were all born with that sin in our lives... except Jesus. He has come to bring us back to God the Father.
In the Garden, God walked with Adam and Eve and he wants to be part of our lives today.
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
@UR2AwesomeGod
Those are pretty big claims. Do you have anything to support them?
Wattapus 7 months ago
@Wattapus You can not believe in this if you do not have faith in God. Text is taken out of the Bible. You don't have to believe the Bible is the truth. To be honest in comparison to the Theories that out there it makes more sense. But again that is my opinion (The Bible's opinion and I am welcome to it.) If people can share their views, why am I not welcome to share mine?
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
@UR2AwesomeGod You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Wattapus 7 months ago
God gave one warning... one rule... only one. But regrettably they disobeyed it. God said you would surely die if you disobey this one rule. Because they disobeyed God they were cast out of this beautiful garden to live in this world and from that time our human bodies would experience death. This world would experience deterioration. But the good news is God has created a New Heaven and a New earth (not touched by human hands) and those who believe in him and his Son Jesus will see it.
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was excellent in every way. This all happened on the sixth day. Genesis 1 verse 31.
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
And the LORD God formed a man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life . And the man became a living person. Genesis 2 vs 7
.... But still there was no companion suitable for him. So the LORD God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep. He took one of Adam's ribs and closed up the place from which he had taken it. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib and brought her to Adam. Genesis 2 vs 20b to 22.
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
And God said, "Let the earth bring forth every kind of animal - livestock, small animals, and wildlife." And so it was. God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to reproduce more of its own kind. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1 vs 24 - 25
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
And God said, "let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind." So God created great sea creatures and every sort of fish and every kind of bird. And God saw that it was good. Then God blessed them, saying, "let the fish multiply and fill the oceans. Let the birds increase and fill the earth." This happened on the fifth day. Genesis 1 vs 20 - 23
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness. And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness "night." Together these made up one day. Genesis 1 vs 1 to 5
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago
Amazing I never knew that about Giraffes, isn't God amazing how he has created the Giraffe and other animals. How he created us.... our DNA. Amazing.
UR2AwesomeGod 7 months ago in playlist 16. Evolution vs Christianity
@UR2AwesomeGod Yes Jebus is awesome! Look at HIV and eyeball cancer. Amazing!
blucas6 7 months ago
@325nicaea Sorry, but you have the wrong idea. You mustn't be catholic to be saved. Just because some pope guy said that, doesn't mean thats what God said. Do you read the KJV Bible? Or do you just listen to what a man says & not God? Read the living word. Galatians 3:20 says "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." That means you shouldn't have any mediators between you and God. Dont pray to mary & have her pass on the message. It doesn't work that way. God asks to pray to Him
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
Exept tht we creationists believe tht God created everything, & evolution believes tht nothing exploded & formed everything. According to evolution theory, billions of years ago, all the dirt in the universe was draw into a tiny dot, it spun, exploded, & there ya go. Big bang, everything. Where did this dirt come from? u dnt know. We believe tht God created everything and u ask, were did God come frm? & we dont know. So basically we believe in the begining God, & u believe in the begining dirt.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
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@DianaPuzankova waitwaitwaitwait...I thought that it was YOU who believed that man was created from dirt...Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
therealfriday13th 8 months ago 6
@DianaPuzankova "evolution believes tht nothing exploded & formed everything"
You are horribly WRONG and embarrasingly IGNORANT. Shame on you! ;-)
There are these three completely separate things:
- the origin of the universe i.e. the "big bang"
- the origin of life i.e. abiogenesis
- the gradual development of life into more complex creatures, two sexes and various species i.e. biological evolution
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 9
@DianaPuzankova
If you don't even know what evolution is then you should shut up and actually learn about it.
"So basically we believe in the begining God, & u believe in the begining dirt."
The "beginning dirt" is a natural explanation and studying it can actually take us somewhere in the long run. God is a supernatural explanation and there's nothing to study and it won't ever take us anywhere. We are supposed to "just believe it".
And which god(s) should we believe in?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 9
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Look at the human brain and the complexity of that, what about the cell or how Dna can't just change. Evolution says it all happened by chance how low of a chance is that?
aarun13 5 months ago
@aarun13
"Complexity" is the main (and only) argument of Intelligent Design (and creationism).
Just because something is complex does not mean that it is designed or created.
It is possible to reach complexity (even "irreducible complexity") by smaller incremental steps.
The only random thing in evolution are the mutations. Everything else is non-random.
The chances for winning in lottery are small and yet someone usually wins. Improbabilty does not imply impossibility.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT How did you come to that conclusion? Have you studied both sides of the argument because I have....And the lottery comparison makes not much sense...people almost have to win a lottery....Evolution is different Dna can't change like that....Know your facts :)
aarun13 5 months ago
@aarun13 "Dna can't change like that....Know your facts :)"
You haven't defined what exactly is "changing like that".
So what do you mean by that?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Ok Dna is 50% of each parent so your not going to get a zebra out of two monkeys..It's pretty simple....Doesn't need a whole definition
aarun13 5 months ago
@aarun13
Ah, okay. You mean that mutations and gene duplications and whatnot don't happen at all and that everything is always copied perfectly.
That's not the case.
So "know your facts :)" to you too.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
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aarun13 5 months ago
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@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT watch unlocking the mystery of life and everyone of the videos
aarun13 5 months ago
@aarun13
Michael Behe appears on that "documentary".
According to Behe mutations do happen ("know your facts :)") but they are guided by some intelligence.
(Or that's roughly what he argues anyway.)
I don't think that Stephen C. Meyer denies the existence of mutations either.
I haven't seen that "documentary" but I doubt it says that mutations don't happen.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Wow buddy were you watching the video?? There saying its way to complex to evolve...
aarun13 5 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT First of all they say its to complex to evolve...Second of all evolution believes in evolving and intelligent design believes that it was all made at once...So do me a favor and no your facts :)
aarun13 5 months ago
@aarun13
From e-mail exhange between Michael Behe and YouTube user "DonExodus":
Behe: "Yes, I think we share an ancestor with other primates. However, I certainly don't think the process leading to the appearance of humans was Darwinian."
DonExodus: "Would it be correct to say then that you feel we share a common ancestor, and trough guided mutations and natural selections, humans arose?"
Behe: "Yes, that's right."
So we were not "made at once".
From: youtube . com / watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
@aarun13
The funny thing is that ID people can't even decide what ID means. As pointed out Behe does not say that all species were created in their current forms but instead "evolved" in a non-Darwinian way his main point being that there's something guiding the mutations and they are not random.
Some other ID people may be actual creationists (even young-earth) rejecting all aspects of evolution.
So there are a lot of different "facts" to know depending whose "facts" we are talking about.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 5 months ago
Evolution requires a lot of believing in the impossible. Like, when was the last time you seen or heard of something blowing up and not getting destroyed but changing for the better? uhhh. never? or was that 4.6 billiooooon years ago? Oh yeah. Is that because your great great great great x1,000,000 grandpa was there as a bacteria & happened to pass the story along? You know that you believe that by your faith and not science. Therefore it's also religion.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova "Like, when was the last time you seen or heard of something blowing up and not getting destroyed but changing for the better?"
Evolution does not work by things being blown up.
"uhhh. never? or was that 4.6 billiooooon years ago?"
No. That's when the earth was formed. Life started maybe a billion years later.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 3
@DianaPuzankova "You know that you believe that by your faith and not science. Therefore it's also religion."
You can have faith without religion. There's unreasonable faith and there's reasonable faith. I have reasonable faith in the scientific process because it has proven it's usefulness over time.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 3
@DianaPuzankova
You are so ignorant it's scary.
UnknownUserName4267 3 months ago
Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science". His wonderful work is seen all around us & evolution tries oh so hard to prove something that will never have any real evidence. Don't try to question about these little things if you won't want to accept the answer when you find it anyway. And don't think that evolution is science and creation is religion. No. It's ALL religious.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova "Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science"."
The (scientific) theory of evolution says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a god or several gods.
Many people don't have any trouble combining a belief in a god and the acceptance of evolution as a fact and the theory of evolution as a valid scientific theory.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 3
@DianaPuzankova
God(s) can not have anything to do in science because science studies natural phenomenons and gods are supernatural.
By the way which of the many (alleged) gods out there are you talking about?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 3
haha giraffes are like the picture of evolution WTF
HKTeeVee 8 months ago 2
BTW, I fucking HATE the way the narrator of the video says "Why don't giraffes get dizzy when they stand up?" He's sounds like Jerry Seinfeld telling a joke.
Here's my question "How do people dumb enough to believe this idiotic crap, which has PROVEN to be false, manage to wipe their own asses and feed themselves?"
I'm not saying you can disprove the existence of a "god" although it's EXTREMELY unlikely and logically unsound, but I can tell you, for a FACT, that the bible is 90% lies.
EvilDanHalen 9 months ago
@EvilDanHalen Wouldn't you rather live your life believing there IS a God, then die to find out there isn't, or do you prefer to live your life thinking there is no God to later find out that there is?
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova Ah, Pasqual's Wager, a poorly constructed thought experiment so simple that I myself "invented" it in 5th grade, before I had ever heard of the man named Pasqual. I also dismissed it. Wouldn't you rather believe in Thor, and find out he's not real, rather than not believe and miss out on Valhalla? Or Buddha and Nirvana? Or how about Zeus and Hades? Or Jupiter and Elysium? The fact is, Christianity robbed earlier pagan myths, many gods are virgin's sons who return from the dead
EvilDanHalen 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova
From a previous comment I know that you're young so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I hope when you leave home and manage to strike out on your own you may be able to find out things for yourself instead of being told by adults with ulterior motives. I suspect you've undergone much brainwashing so I wish you well.
UnknownUserName4267 3 months ago
Back to that room full of people. If the roof fell in and killed everyone over 6'' tall (called a "bottleneck" event) the phenotypical and genotypical traits of the whole group have "evolved" to a shorter stature. Yes, you can have children taller than you, but if you have 10 kids, most with be your height, and you will have the same # of shorter than you as taller than. Now, if that group leaves the room and is attacked by a predator which eats the shorter people, the group evolves again.
EvilDanHalen 9 months ago
RIDICULOUS. IDIOCY.
Niall646 9 months ago
An other example of bad "design" is a nerve that goes from the brain into the chest, where is devides, and one of the branches goes back up to the larynx. What kind of creator would do this?
Taking evolution into account it makes sense. Fishes don't have necks so the nerve wasn't inefficient. When the neck grew the branch couldn't jump over the bones, so it just became longer.
Lukas4C756B6173 10 months ago
The blood vessel 'net' around the giraffe's brain is called a rete mirabile scientifically, by the way, which means 'wonder net'
AndromedaChao2 10 months ago
The giraffe was featured in the dissection series 'Inside Nature's Giants'. However, the dissectors interpreted the giraffe's anatomy as evolutionary products based on evolutionary assumptions. If the giraffe were to evolve, Its 'wonder net' around its brain will have to evolve at the same time as the neck elongation. As for the laryngeal nerve, I think that's positioned by the Creator in such a way so that it doesn't get damaged when the giraffe lowers its head to get a drink
AndromedaChao2 10 months ago
@AndromedaChao2 "I think that's positioned by the Creator in such a way so that it doesn't get damaged..."
You *think*.
(Therefore you are...)
I think it would be less damage prone if it were twenty feet shorter and didn't make a ridiculous and unnecessary loop. (But what do I know...)
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 10 months ago 10
@AndromedaChao2
Why did the Creator
- Give kiwi useless wing stubs?
- Not give dolphins and whales gills?
- Give humans useless ear-moving-muscles?
- Give humans too many teeth? (wisdom teeth)
- Screw up the enzyme needed to produce vitamin C in primates? (It works fine in most of animals)
- Give mammals eyes where the retina is inside out which also causes a blind spot
- Give humans a pharynx which severely increases the risk of choking
- And countless other examples of bad design...
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 10 months ago 22
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT As the bible tells...Sin enter the world when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit in the garden. When this happen, sin became a part of this world forever changing all the perfect things God had created. That is why to this day everything is becoming worse. Too simple of an answer? Maybe for you.
highwaysandbyways 9 months ago
@highwaysandbyways
Dolphins and whales had gills but they lost them because of sin? Kiwis could fly when there was no sin? Mammals' retinas were turned the other way because of sin but in spite of sin there brains were still allowed to adapt to the inverted retina? Are there any pre-sin fossils of dolphins and whales with gills?
What if there was evolution because of sin? "Perfect" life was destroyed and life started again from scratch and was left on it's own? Sounds plausible?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago 2
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Some very good questions. They due sound plausible. Myself I check all things in light of scripture. We are left with a lot of answer in the bible about all sorts of science studies. Unfortunitly they don't go as deep as mans mind would like to go. I don't know why but maybe one reason is because God wants us to forcus on Him and each other? I also believe that because of Gods "common grace" we are blessed to study and learn about so many things like evolution/creation.
highwaysandbyways 9 months ago
@highwaysandbyways
Your answer doesn't sound simple anymore. It's getting complicated. (All that trouble of creating perfect creatures, then letting sin enter the world and purposefully ruining all the hard creation work so far...)
Even evolution sounds simpler. ;-)
And then of course some Christians have no problem in God and Evolution co-existing. Like Kenneth Miller - professor of Biology - who wrote the book "Finding Darwin's God".
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@highwaysandbyways ''I check all things in light of scripture'' That is not looking at anything with an open mind, it is called being brainwashed.
What would prove evolution to you? Nothing?!? I rest may case.
gregrutz 9 months ago 2
@gregrutz You assume I was always a Christian with this comment. Your statement may hold true if ones brain were a one sided blank piece of paper.
There are ZERO!! transition fossils and ZERO species still alive that are transitioning. Animals are being extincted and not evolving. Stop and think for yourself and pick an animal that you think evolved. A whale from a cow? Seriously. How did it feed it self between loosing limbs? How did it defend itself? THINK don't just pick a side and fight!
highwaysandbyways 9 months ago
@highwaysandbyways The list transitional species continues to grow. Epidexipteryx hui, Protoavis, Protarchaeopteryx, Archeopteryx, Avimimus, Sinosauropteryx, Caudipteryx, Rahonavis, Shuvuuia, Sinornithosaurus, Beipiasaurus, Microraptor, Nomingia, Epidendrosaurus, Cryptovolans, Scansoriopteryx, Yixianosaurus, Dilong, Pedopenna, Jinfengopteryx, Sinocalliopteryx, Sinornis, Ambiortus, Hesperornis, Ichthyornis.
Whales did not evolve from a cow, strawman.
There is 1 side, science.
gregrutz 9 months ago 3
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Why don't you Ask Him? I'm pretty sure the Creator will give you the answer.
EltonJThe 9 months ago
@EltonJThe
Because I asked those questions to make a point and not to actually expect any (sensible) response.
And then again I wouldn't know which (alleged) god to ask. There are so many.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT The God you should ask is the Spirit of Truth, or the Father. After all, think about it. If there is a father of lies, there must be a Spirit of Truth. to quote James the Brother: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." Just ask.
EltonJThe 9 months ago
@EltonJThe
There are many religions out there and most of them with several (alleged) gods.
There are three options:
- One religion is exactly right
- All are somewhat wrong
- All are completely wrong
Also all religions are minorities.
You stick to your religion, others stick to theirs and some don't stick to any.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago 2
@EltonJThe Since you're such a believer:
I hereby formally request that you transfer legal ownership of all your worldly possessions to goGoNsIylbaborPerehT, in accordance with Matthew 5:42.
therealfriday13th 8 months ago
@therealfriday13th That's not how the Law of Consecration works, that's how Communism works.
EltonJThe 8 months ago
@therealfriday13th Matthew 5:42 reads, in relevant part, "Give to him that asketh thee..." with the surrounding passages dealing with how to treat those who wrong you(this is, in fact, the famous speech where Jesus decries eye for an eye. I would have liked for someone to recognize that...)
Also, from what I can tell, this "Law of Consecration" is purely a Mormon concept, in Doctrine and Covenants 41, 42, and 51, unless it is called something else in mainstream christianity.
therealfriday13th 8 months ago
@therealfriday13th dammit, wrong comment...
therealfriday13th 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Too all you evolution people that are lost in false evidence, admit it. you just don't want God to have anything to do with "science". His wonderful work is seen all around us & evolution tries oh so hard to prove something that will never have any real evidence. Don't try to question about these little things if you won't want to accept the answer when you find it anyway. And don't think that evolution is science and creation is religion. No. It's ALL religious.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova here's some goddamned evidence for ya: watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0
here's the first part of that particular show, too: watch?v=TUlx0LVzeP0
therealfriday13th 8 months ago 2
@therealfriday13th I would give you links to some Godblessed evidence, but it looks like your soo far lost that you don't want to hear or accept reality anymore. I have a lot to say to this, but you won't believe a thing anyway. I still can't understand how people can believe such a fairy tale like "millions of years ago" EVOLUTION HAS NO PROOF FOR THAT AT ALL! & Carbon dating is just as big of a lie as the whole evolution theory! I dont mean to burst your bubble or anything... but truth hurts.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova " I would give you links to some Godblessed evidence, but it looks like your soo far lost that you don't want to hear or accept reality anymore. "
Don't be a coward. Give us the evidence!. :-D
Evidence for what by the way?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Hahaha this is sooo exciting! I wanna be a debater when I grow up! Okay I know a lot for a little 16 year old. & by the way, there is only ONE true living God. & that's the one with all the strength, love, mercy (that we don't deserve), and power. HE is our creator. Not those man-made gods that are not even alive. Oh & there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for the earth to be billions of years old! none! haha ok heres the link watch?v=szBTl3S24MY&feature=feedlik
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova
" I wanna be a debater when I grow up!"
It's important to have your facts right in a debate. Start from that.
"haha ok heres the link watch?v=szBTl3S24MY&feature=feedlik"
That's not evidence. That's a Kent Hovind lecture.
You are young. You have your whole life ahead of you. Please do no waste it on Kent Hovind lectures.
He talks a lot of bullshit to put in a nasty way.
40 lies from Kent Hovind (to start with):
watch?v=ZyEOPBx6i8o
watch?v=SbP6MzS3EGY
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
Or maybe this instead of the second link:
watch?v=3yRAA9hzqXo
It's the same thing but with nicer audio.
Kent Hovind's bullshit about the age of the earth:
watch?v=Mh1ZBk0W9n8
And there's probably a lot more...
You get the idea... :-/
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT My facts are more correct then yourss you big guy behind the screen that sits there and debates fake stuff for everybody else & they just like your stuff cuz its wrong. Just becuz Im not using big scientific terms doesnt mean Im not smarter. & Kent Hovind is the best. Ur just jealous bcuz he has all his facts straight & that creation proves evolution wrongg. like I said, truth hurts.. & udidn't tell me how the earth happens to be so old yet. & how can a big bang make stuff.
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova "My facts are more correct then yourss"
You have proved your statement wrong.
"Just becuz Im not using big scientific terms doesnt mean Im not smarter"
You may be smart but you apparently did not know what evolution means. Therefore it's difficult to take your criticism against it seriously.
There are certain names for certain phenomenons. I just call them with their names. They are not "big scientific terms."
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT Oh ok. but Im not being mean or anything! Sorry if I sounded mean. But what I ment by "big scientific words" is how wer explaining the evolution theory. I said it how it is. logically. witout prettying it up or making it sound big & real. Cuz, its realy not. Well, I love you all!! Evn though your all evolutionists, were all Gods creation, we just have our own freedom of choice in what to believe in. But we will most definitely be judged for it later. Have a wonderful day :)
DianaPuzankova 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova
"Kent Hovind is the best."
I agree that he's very good at what he does but what he does has nothing to do with spreading any kind of truths.
"creation proves evolution wrongg"
What proves creation?
"like I said, truth hurts.. "
No. Intentional disinformation hurts.
"udidn't tell me how the earth happens to be so old yet & how can a big bang make stuff."
Ask a geologist or an astronomer.
Don't ask a dishonest evangelist like Kent Hovind.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 8 months ago
@DianaPuzankova The fact that you think it's CARBON dating that gives the millions of years figure show me your ignorance on the matter, but I'll still correct you. Carbon dating only works for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years, so scientists DON'T USE IT FOR VERY OLD THINGS. Also, EVOLUTION doesn't NEED proof of the age of the earth because that isn't PART OF THE THEORY. Hell, that's not even in the same freaking field. The age of the earth is dealt with in geophysics and chemistry, NOT biology.
therealfriday13th 8 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
Dolphins and whales are mammals. Mah-mulz. They are different than fish. *gasp*!
Kiwis need balance.
Humans used to loose more teeth.
We could just eat the fruit (citrus) that he so convinently made edible.
The retna is right-side out, for mammals.. Does the blind spot really matter? It's a unique design.
Yeah, and other animals don't choke.
Oh, and like evolution would be perfect too, as we have randomly generated animals 'evolving' from air and pixie dust.
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny
All those things are examples of stupid design and compromises. If things were "created" or "intelligently designed" they would have been designed better.
I don't get your point with this:
"Oh, and like evolution would be perfect too"
The whole point is that evolution produces imperfect results and all kinds of "Incompetent Design" in the nature can be explained by evolution.
As can also all the seemingly genious design.
Nothing points to a creator if you look closely enough.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
Okay, so nothing points to a creator?
Well, lets take the moon for example. Asteroids pass by our moon and leave a predictable amount of dust every year, as been observed by scientists. The spaceship that landed on the moon had legs that were rather wide, to keep its balance on millions of years of dust, and not sink into giant dust bunnies. There wasn't very much dust at all! Only about 6,000 years worth of dust. Now, we have the primordial soup, just sitting there, 1/2
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny
Quoting the AnswersInGenesis website: "...modern scientists cannot know the rate of dust accumulation in the past or the amount of dust originally on the moon. Therefore moon dust cannot be used as an age indicator one way or the other. "
And that website is actually on "your side". But they actually don't repeat every old mistaken creationist hoax like a parrot. Maybe you shouldn't do that either.
Some more young-earth-debunking:
tim-thompson . com / young-earth . html
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
Okay, another question.
How do animals have a similar design? Why do mammals all breathe oxygen using lungs? Why do we all have brains, nerves, hearts, eyes etc. that look alot alike? If we just evolved from a hydrothermal vent, randomly changing, animals would have all sorts of variatons. Instead, we have so many similarites. Also, how do you explain animals that can breed with each other evolving at the same time, then they find each other and mate and it works 1/2
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "How do animals have a similar design? "
Because they have evolved from a common ancestor. That's the whole idea of evolution.
And that's exactly why there are these silly things like the larynxial nerve of the giraffe.
We are closely related to other apes like chimps, less with other mammals like pigs, even less with reptiles, even less with amphibians, even less with fish but that's where the nerve's silly pathway comes from.
In a fish it's short and makes sense.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
Okay, then show me one actual fossil chain that shows and proves we evolved from fish/chimps/pigs the one used most commonly has been disproved at every link. How are we related to fish anyhow? Please elaborate? And, we are closer to pigs than we are chimps, in medical schools, sheep/pig hearts are examined, not chimps.
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Okay, then show me one actual fossil chain"
The fossils are not the only evidence for evolution. The evidence for evolution is presented in several books like Dawkins: "The Greatest Show On Earth", Jerry Coyne: "Why Evolution Is True" - both quite recent publications with up-to-date knowledge.
One book that's focuses especially on the fossil evidence is Donald Prothero: "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters"
If you prefer a video:
watch?v=efpjE_wg_1M
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "And, we are closer to pigs than we are chimps, in medical schools, sheep/pig hearts are examined, not chimps."
Pig's heart may be anatomically closer to human than chimp's heart but genetically and in the "tree of life" we are closer to chimps than pigs. I.e. we are closer "relatives" with chimps (and other apes) then we are with pigs and other non-apes and non-primates.
"How are we related to fish anyhow?"
Mammals <- reptiles <- amphibians <- fish is the evolutionary chain.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Okay, assembly of skeptics..."
Yeah. Shermer's intro is unnecessarily long.
"Okay there are six basic concepts of evolution."
And Darwin's theory only deals with the biological evolution.
When we are talking about just "evolution" we mean the biological one.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
between kinds of plants and animals
6. Micro e.
changes within kinds.
Okay, you just have to note that, only the last one has been observed and can be called science, the first five are just belived by faith, so here we have this guy on his podium, slamming belivers when he is one himself?
*continues watching insanely long video with hypocrite behind podium* 2/2
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Micro e. changes within kinds. Okay, you just have to note that, only the last one has been observed and can be called science"
As I commented in the other video's comments (twice!!!) also macroevolution i.e. speciation has been observed and you can find information about that by searching for "ring species".
How many times do I have to say that?
How many times are you going to say that it hasn't been observed?
This is ridiculous. ;-)
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT "How many times are you going to say that it hasn't been observed?"
Actually that was someone else.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@doGoNsIylbaborPerehT
*sigh* 0_0 You are correct on one point, this is getting ridiculous. There are so many gaps in evolution, that we could go in circles for days, as I then point out, that okay, so what if the fifth whatcha-ma-call-it of evolution has been 'observed' the other four haven't, then you say something to cover that up, then we go on and on and on arguing like children over a point that will be proven when the earth ends anyhow, so go along and belive in your evolution 1/2
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
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and I will be a creationist and you can think that when we die our souls dissipate into nothingness.
Good luck with that, and, I have a life to get back to. Bye.
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
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Darwin may have "won" this one, but the war ain't over. ;)
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
Ring species for Dummies in under 4 minutes:
youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
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Also, seeing as my little laptop is having issues with the large video, lets look at that fish>amphibian>reptile>mammal thing. Proove to me that we evolved from fish as, the "gill slits" on the human embryo have been long disprooved. Proove to me that we evolved from amphibians/reptiles, because I haven't heard the evolutionist excuse for those. Proove to me we came frome apes as, our "vestigial organ" (the end of the tail bone) that "prooves" we had tails 1/2
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Proove to me that we evolved from fish"
Proove to me that the scientific consensus i.e. all the (sane and not religiously biased) scientist out there who say so are wrong.
Why should I (a non-scientist) proove it in a YouTube comment when all the experts on that topic have already done that many times. The information is out there. Go read a book.
And then debunk it.
If you can.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Proove to me we came frome apes as, our "vestigial organ" (the end of the tail bone) that "prooves" we had tails anchors nine muscles, and therefore it is not vestigial."
Heh. Apes don't have tails. Monkeys have.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
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anchors nine muscles, and therefore it is not vestigial. Lucy,heidelberg,nebraska,piltdown,peking,neandrathal,new guinea, and cro-magon all have been disprooved or have major faults in their evidence a.k.a peking man, or the last three, including the neandrathal, are all modern man. Neandrithal was an old man that had arthritis, as stated by Dr. AJ.E Cave. So,what evidence do you have to patch this one up? There is no series of fossils, the only evidence is that 2/3
IvyTheBunny 6 months ago
@IvyTheBunny "Lucy,heidelberg,nebraska,piltdown,peking,neandrathal,new guinea, and cro-magon all have been disprooved"
Please back up your claim with credible sources.
Piltdown man was a complete hoax obviously.
As for the others - not all hominid fossils are ancestors of modern humans as there have been branches that went extinct (like Neanderthals).
But some are.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago
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@IvyTheBunny "Neandrithal was an old man that had arthritis, as stated by Dr. AJ.E Cave."
Cave was talking about *one specific* skull/skeleton. Not about all of them.
Don't be silly.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 6 months ago