no where in the bible does it state that we are all created equal and even in the new testament which you shouldn't give a shit about to begin with cause it wasn't revised by god
Wow ... i will pray for you ,in the name of Jesus Christ !!!.... i understand that your european and will be pushing for the New World order and a one world economic system as well and these we know are eventually led by satanic leaders but the bible fortells those events so explain that???
morality is based on humanity! not on religion. An example i have observed from high school education: Mormonism, Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses, the new age religions all claim an education in morality. How can this be done if the morality has already been humanised and naturally selected by us personally to be worthwhile traits. it didnt originiate from religion. but from logic and reason
Ken Blackwell needs to study the constitution and American history. He has NO idea what he is talking about. I wish people would study and learn about these things before they prattle on to try to push their agenda (theocractic bullshit). He is so full of shit.
Every single thing we know of that 'proves' religion to be right has been created by human hands. The Bible, The Quran, holy places and things, everything made by people. There's nothing you can show me that's man made that will convince me there's an omnipotent being that lives in the sky. This is why religion is losing ground. As our society becomes more focused on technology and information, we lose belief in magic. God is just a Santa for adults, something to believe in, not worship.
@hydraulikz The background seems to villainize Blackwell, more than Hitchens, the color scheme behind blackwell, is a Red/brown, the color pretty much shouts evil, Hitchen's is blue/gray, a calming color. If the background was an attempt to villinize anyone it was Blackwell.
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. - Thomas Paine - Age Of Reason
Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." 1787 letter to his nephew B. Franklin
"over the course of our two hundred thirty two history", "ebbs and flows", "the fact of the matter", "hehehehe", this is all that that family research council douche has to say. So funny, and yet so pathetic, to watch this guy debate Hitchens.
'jesus'... can religious ppl just fucking die and can we forget about this whole religion bullshit? it's insane waste of time and human resources, ffs.
Hitchens hate God or the idea of any Creator,science demands one.Hitchen never denys God on any scientific grounds,but emotional grounds alone.That's how most atheists work,they sidestep science and ridicule the idea they don't like.
@CBALLEN Life only comes from life,intelligence from intelligence,all things bring forth after their own kind and matter can not come into existence on it's own.These are all scientific laws,yet atheists claim they can't be true because they just hate what it means.
@CBALLEN Also, you implied that Athiest wishful thinkers. Most Athiest don't like the idea that they are going to die and decay into the ground. It would be nice if there was an afterlife where I could reunite with loved ones, but the science suggest otherwise.
Science doesn't suggest anything,atheists do.Science says that life and intelligence only comes from life and intelligence,atheists have faith that science is wrong,with no evidence at all.
@CBALLEN I was wrong to say "science suggest otherwise" what I meant was there isn't evidence supporting the notion of an afterlife. regarding the rest of what you said, science doesn't say that life always comes from life. life has been created, in a lab, from only non-living material. It's possible given the right conditions.
@MLGHype If science created life,it was from organic material and it took intelligence to do it.Actually man can't create anything,he can only rearrange since man cannot create matter,only God can.
@CBALLEN First of all, science didn't create life, science is a process that determines truth. Science gives a plausible naturalistic explination for a origin of the universe and life. A god or Creator is not necessary for life to exist.
@MLGHype No,science is not giving a plausible naturalistic explanation,atheists are giving a hopeful mythical answer, since science does not give us a possibility that it could happen as the Big Bang asserts.That's what we've been discussing,SCIENCE DEEMS IT IMPOSSIBLE!
@CBALLEN Go read a physics textbook, there is a lot of evidence supporting the big bang. How does science deem the big bang impossible? and don't say life only comes from life because that isn't true.
@MLGHype I just went to the debate between Nepilim Free and DonExodus2 and Don backed out just like everyone expected.That says volumes for what atheism is all about,dishonesty,immorality,no proof and just flat out lies.Evolution is merely an atheistic myth perpetuated by those in power just like THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX,IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF FALSEHOODS AGREED UPON, A CONSPIRACY THAT CAN'T BE BACKED UP WHEN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH IS SHINED UPON IT.
@CBALLEN First of all you're talking like a creationist has never back down from a debate. They have. And the conclusions you drew don't follow at all. Secondly, you keep saying evolution has been shown to be impossible. Prove it! And be specific.
@CBALLEN You said "Life only comes from life,intelligence from intelligence." Life can come from pure abiotic material, and indeed it has.
you said "all things bring forth after their own kind" If you're saying Macro-evolution doesn't happen, prove it. This is most definitely not a law of science, and I have seen a lot of evidence to the contrary.
@MLGHype That's as funny as maggots coming from rotten meat,fleas coming from old clothes and dead brush and plant matter bringing forth mice and rats.
@CBALLEN You also said "and matter can not come into existence on it's own." True. However, Scientist today think that there was energy there to begin with when the big bang happened (recall matter is just very condensed energy). So this law doesn't require a creator. There may or may not be a creator but I haven't seen evidence suggesting there is.
@MLGHype Since as you said,matter is just compressed energy,this also means energy cannot be created either.Your still operating on atheists ideas alone,not science.
@MLGHype It's like this friend, if Jesus came down and did miracles for you one on one you still wouldn't worship Him.The only way for you to become a Christian is if the Father calls you to Jesus JN.6 :44,THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF PROOF THAT CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE.
@CBALLEN You don't understand, I said the energy was there to begin with, it wasn't created, it was always there. Also, there is proof that would make me convert to christianity (or any religion) on the spot and I'll tell you specifically what that is. If a religion has a good record producing accurate prophecies, that aren't trivial, vague, ambiguous, self-fulfilling, and could not be contrived.
@CBALLEN Another way to convert me would be to produce scientific studies that link miracles to prayer. This study would have to be repeated and produces a similar correlation each time. Indeed there was a study done where a group of believers were told to pray for certain sick people and not others. Then they checked who was healed. There was no correlation.
@MLGHype No,only God can convert someone,Christianity is not something a man decides to believe in,it's a supernatural changing of ones nature"born again".You must be talking about believing in one of the millions of other false gods that you would believe in,not the God of the Bible.
@MLGHype Truth is rationality in practice.Jesus is the way, the truth,and the life,unless you have Jesus as your Saviour,you can never have the truth,only some relative version or counterfeit ''truth" and eternal separation from your creator,first in Hell and finally the LAKE OF FIRE.Not even an unbeliever knows what it is like yet to be separated from God.When Jesus was on the cross the only thing that really upset Him out of His whole crucifixion,was when the Father turned from Him.
@MLGHype He makes all things for a purpose,even the wicked for the day of evil.So as you can see,you are believing and doing, exactly what my God has purposed you to,you are just God's tool like everything else.Isn't it nice to know that the God that you deny is using you like a toilet?
@CBALLEN You didn't answer my question, I'm asking you how you know you God exists? How do you know "he makes all things for a purpose?" Is it the case where you just know because you know? or is there some rational reason for believing in your God (when I say rational I mean does it follow from logic and/or reason). Answering your question, I don't 'know' that your God is "using me like a toilet", in fact I no reason to believe he even exists.
@CBALLEN I wouldn't go as far to say there is no good reason for believing in your God, but I would say I haven't found it if it's out there. That is why I'm asking you for one.
@MLGHype I Believe God exists,because of over 2,000 fulfilled prophecies,Creation ,The eye witness accounts,How he's changed me and others I know,and the real miracles I've seen.
@CBALLEN Okay, I don't believe in God because none the the prophecies can be varified (feel free to prove me wrong here) and meet the critera I made in an earlier post, creation has very little evidence supporting it and a lot of evidence to the contrary (namely carbon dating suggesting the world is way older than ~6000 years), eye witness accounts are not reliable, and, of all the 10000+ mutually contradicting religions, every one of them has people who they had an experiance with thier God.
@MLGHype By your own at admission then,ALL HISTORY IS BULLOCKS CORRECT?Since we weren't there all history can be thrown out because nothing at all can be trusted,since eyewitness accounts make up 90 % of history,now you are a history denier and a science denier.
@CBALLEN Saying that eye witnesses aren't reliable does not mean I deny history. The Qu'ran, and many other Holy books are all based on eye witnesses and you can't believe all them to be true becasue they contradict each other. All the eye witnesses supporting other religions are implicitly saying the christain eye witnesses are wrong. What if eye witnesses contradict each other? That fact that there is so much contradiction in itself shows that eye witnesses aren't reliable.
@MLGHype Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed by anything in the universe and life never comes from anything but life,these are scientific facts that you deny and you want to replace these FACTS with SCIENTISM.
@CBALLEN Okay read what I say carefully. First of all, I never said that energy can be created or destroyed, in fact I agreed that It cannot. What I did say, was that modern science on the origion of the universe DOESN'T REQUIRE ENERGY TO BE CREATED. Modern scientific theory suggests the energy was already there, so a creator is not necessary.
Regarding "life never comes from anything but life." This is FALSE. And I'm not denying science by saying this. Would you be satisfied if I gave you a specific example of life forming from purely inorganic (i.e. not alive or the product of life) material? Look up "Miller/Urey Experiment" this is an example of life coming from non-living things. If you still think that "life never comes from anything but life" is a "scientific fact" then you sir are the one denying Science.
@MLGHype HE,HE,HE they didn't create life,that's the stupidest thing I ever heard,stop your lying.As I said before take a frog,put it in a blender and turn it on,then make another or a bunch of frogs from all the frog ingredients.
@CBALLEN I gave you a specifc example of life coming from non-life, you completely deny the evidence even though I threw it right in your face and you have the audacity to tell me I deny science! Take a look in the mirror. You tell me no evidence in the world will convince me your religion is the truth? you haven't given me a single piece of evidence I couldn't refute, and when I show you proof of life being created without a creator you're going to deny what is right in front of you?
@CBALLEN I don't deny all history and I never said I did. You sir are strawmanning me, I said eye witnesses aren't reliable and they aren't. luckily, history isn't based solely on eye witnesses. History prefers primary sources as opposed to secondary sources like eye-witnesses becuase of accuracy. it's an insult to truth and historians everywhere to say 90% of history is based on eye witnesses.
@CBALLEN You are strawmanning me. This is not directly related to the topic at hand and you know it. History is based on many things, including archaeology, cause and effect, reasoning, and yes, also documented events. If you want to know more just look on the internet. Now back to the topic at hand...
@CBALLEN If you can't accept being wrong here, and can't put up a valid case against why I'm wrong then there's no point of arguing with you. If you don't either admit you're wrong or proof that i'm wrong on the point of life be created from purely abiotic material, then I'm not responding to you because you will never change your beliefs if you can't concede to being wrong on this minor detail. The evidence is right in front of you.
@MLGHype I'm not wrong ,you are.They did not create life at all,that's SCIENTISM, and you're right,this conversation is going no where because you are trying to invoke magic into science,and it just doesn't work that way.I do hope God saves you though,He can save anyone,but does He want to,that's the question.
@MLGHype The Big Bang is the same as any other evolution type fairy tale,real laws of science proves that it is impossible just like every other fairy tale,abiogenesis and macro-evolution.Sorry that your whole paradigm is wrong,but you chose to believe it.
@CBALLEN "That's how most atheists work,they sidestep science..." The vast majority of scientists, even in the united states are athiest. About 90% of scientists are Athiest if i'm not mistaken. And if you look at distinguished scientists the percantage is even higher.
Anytime religion butts heads with reason they will show their true pathetic colors. You cannot defend with logic that that is not based on logic, and there is no other way to debate. So religion will always lose any intelectual contest all else being equal.
Wow. It is a damn shame that someone of Christopher Hitchen's intellect has to put up with that shit-faced grin of someone who obviously knows nothing. I'm completely nonconfrontational, but even I wanted to smack the hell out of him.
Blackwell constantly puts on this cringing grin reminiscent of a guy who, caught with his pants down, is trying to convince his wife that "No, honey, it's not what it looks like."
*sigh* there are so many people in America that are religious fuck-tards... I'm so jealous of Europe. They're tolerant, and secular. Why can't all the retards just go to Texas and SECEDE!?!?!?!? Religion... PLEASE leave America.
I'd say we have to attribute the extreme rise of Atheism and Agnosticism to the expanding technology and availability of high speed internet and a personal computer in almost every home. With anonymity people can interact in a place where they can ask the questions they really want to ask without fear of damage to their character in a public enviroment... like for say... a Catholic Church, watching the Pope tell little horny Timmy that condoms are EVIL and masturbation is a SIN!
biggest point - most of the signers were deists, not theists. God was an ambiguous term they used to remain neutral because there were alot less atheists back then.
This is much less a problem than you conceive. Religious people are the ones that say they believe in absurd mythological being, and it is therefore their duty to prove that they're beliefs are rational, not of the ones who dont believe.
Atheist don't need to prove no God just as we don't need to prove any other fantasy constructs - but that's an obvious and easy position we don't need to repeat here.
You are right - Religion should not matter, alas in some countries (and if they could the Christians would have it in the USA etc) it's basically imposed on people via the law.
Christians etc want to make it illegal to criticize them or even question them - that's just one reason why Atheists are increasingly having to speak out.
Yeah, next time a Christian minister speaks out against gays or an Imam says apostates should be killed, I'll just keep my criticisms about the truth claims of their religions silent.
@Devilock79, I must disagree. The burden of proof is on the people who believe that there is a supreme being in the sky watching our every moving and involving himself with our daily lives. If you make an assertion, you therefore must defend that claim. Atheists are not making outlandish claims. There is just as much evidence for god as there is the pink unicorn and the flying spaghetti monster, but YOU can't prove to me that they don't exist. Also, the pink unicorn so happens to be my personal
@Devilock79 NO. Religious people do not keep their beliefs to themselves. They try to convert others. They use their religion to take over lands, politics, etc. Religion is one of the single greatest causes of suffering on earth. religious people have gone unchallenged long enough & if it were up to them, they'd take over politics even more & run ppl's lives. Example: watch?v=f5TE99sAbwM History is replete w/ worse examples. THAT is the problem.
Thank You For Posting; But!, if we're all born equal, therefore we would all be as fine a writer as Harlan Ellison, and who hasn't wished for that equality. All the socially acceptable religions hide behind their religion to justify slavery, therefore, why is Ken Blackwell defending religion, and why is Ken Blackwell ignoring the fact the slave owners took turns raping all the men, women, and children slaves, and servants on their plantations. Some faith.
This guy Blackwell doesn't stop talking at all and then acts like Hitchens is the one cutting him off lol What a fucking moron. Also, Blackwell being a black man, I like to know how we had slavery in this country if we are a Christian nation and if Christianity claims we are all created equally? Hmm.
Treaty of Tripoli states "we are not a christian nation" that treaty with those words was ratified by our Congress after being read out loud in full and then signed by our President. Case closed.
Wow, somehow I'd never come across the Treaty of Tripoli before. Just looked it up and Article 11 spells it out pretty clearly. That is awesome, thanks!
Wow Blackwell, Ive heard some decent opponents to Hitchens, but you sir are a moron and, laughing and cutting off the other speaker doesnt gain you points. Go back to school Reggie
no, religion isn't coming back from this ebb. Information kills religion and the internet will kill religion unless religion somehow adapts, which would be a nightmare.
It won't. Mainstream christianity is losing out, while orthodox religion remains steadvast, meaning a small group of die-hard christians will always remain that won't adapt to society.
I think it's quite obvious that it is to the benefit of the atheist community that the major news networks have fools like Blackwell on their shows. There is no such person on the Christian side that can adequately debate Hitchens. I, for one, am very glad Blackwell made such a fool of himself. The worse christianity looks, the better.
Ken Blackwell..another rancid hypocrite; the man who worked to deny people their Constitutional right to vote; who worked tirelessly to steal the Ohio vote for his crony Bush. A liar and a thief..hmm... such a good "Christian."
By all means, Ken Blackwell is an asshole. He's sitting there with his arrogant smile, as if it makes his argument more accurate if he pretends that Hitchens doesn't know what he's talking about. He needs to read a fucking history book about the enlightenment, deism, and the founding fathers.
Blackwell is in way over his head, spewing the same "judeo-christian" nonsense. So these are the same Christian morals and values that compelled him to suppress votes in Ohio?
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The United States ARE a Christian Nation ! Our laws also are based on good christian values. Trying to seperate this important link between church and state is foolish, and will lead to moral decay. It would lead to regimes like stalin, mao or hitler!
Christopher Hitchens was being very polite and well mannered, and the other guy was acting like an ass, you could tell that hitches was pissed at the end.
For a smart guy, for Hitchens to point the finger at 'The ones who want to destroy us' I think is very low of him. He must have forgotten that we have bombed and murdered many innocents in their home land so for them to not want us dead would make me laugh. If you taunt a caged tiger long enough, the first opportunity the tiger gets to rip your throat out, he will.
Religion only makes sense if it's personal. Once you start prescribing it the point vanishes totally. I'm not religious but I don't mind if others are.
The Indian mystic, Osho, made the point that love has been polluted because we've institutionalized and pedestalized it. We teach people how to love and ruin its purity. Hatred, funnily enough, remains pure.
Don't forget what they learned from the Native Americans. Unfettered human spirit untouched by politics. They learned what being a natural man was before they killed them and herded them all onto reservations. If their culture was allowed to survive America would be a much better place. They learned true freedom from them. Not to mention tribal government. Then kept it for themselves and encouraged bronze age Christian myths politicized by Rome for the rest of US. Most bought it. But not all.
So long Hitch.. Thank you
firedogvegas 2 months ago
no where in the bible does it state that we are all created equal and even in the new testament which you shouldn't give a shit about to begin with cause it wasn't revised by god
neonbutterflys 2 months ago
Wow ... i will pray for you ,in the name of Jesus Christ !!!.... i understand that your european and will be pushing for the New World order and a one world economic system as well and these we know are eventually led by satanic leaders but the bible fortells those events so explain that???
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ThePero20111 3 months ago
You know the cunthole is the one smiling relentlessly.
Daghead 4 months ago
AMERICA WAS FOUNDED BY FREEMASONS.... LAND OF THE FREEMASONS,HOME OF THE BRAVE .
Swaggruler 4 months ago
If I were Ken Blackwell, I would never agree to debate the Hitch. Ken appears foolish and coarse in comparison.
twistedH3L1X 5 months ago
You can't make a chicken sandwich out of chicken Blackwell.
lapwiz 9 months ago
This...this...this country is Christian, Christian, Christian, hokus pokus, voilà!
lapwiz 9 months ago
Mr. Blackwell seems to believe that if one repeats the same words 3 times, it magically becomes true.
lapwiz 9 months ago
Blackwell: "Ebbs and flows, ebbs and flows... I gotta have me my ebbs and flows..."
Murdulo 9 months ago 2
Blackwell likes that "precepts" word. I don't think it means what he thinks it means.
RevanDuvalcane 10 months ago
The title of the video is incorrect. There never was a "Christian America"
ripsaw111 10 months ago
Must watch all the way to Hitchens closing words - awesome!
greenandroid 10 months ago
Blackwell doesn't deserve to be in a head to head with Hitchens.
JoshwithaJ 11 months ago
Blackwell has no idea wat the fuck he is talking about.
wowpapa 1 year ago 5
"Kerrstuhfur, Kerrstuhfur, Kerrstuhfur..." LOL!
gombis666 1 year ago
he should have closed with "Ken Blackwell, thanks for trying. Feel free to bring some sources to back up your statements."
Rhuckus 1 year ago
Why does Hitchens bother with this idiot, who needs to hold on to his phony job?
Blackwell - go back to school; learn something useful.
peterkadel 1 year ago 2
born equal not created, I'm british, not that smart and even I know you're constatution better than you.
stanmusz 1 year ago
Why did Hitchens choose that day to dress and do his hair so he looks like satin hiding in a human's body. XD
He looks like an angsty college kid that wants to be goth but cant becouse his boss at work wont let him per the dress code. lol
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
Can't believe Blackwell mixed up the Founding Fathers with the Pilgrims, and THEN refused to acknowledge his mistake....
flankspeed 1 year ago
@flankspeed LOL he didnt mix them up. He wasnt talking about them to begin with. Convenient assumption on your part.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
morality is based on humanity! not on religion. An example i have observed from high school education: Mormonism, Scientology, Jehovah Witnesses, the new age religions all claim an education in morality. How can this be done if the morality has already been humanised and naturally selected by us personally to be worthwhile traits. it didnt originiate from religion. but from logic and reason
MattyJoels 1 year ago
Hitchens schooled his ass.
Sektion9 1 year ago 2
Ken Blackwell needs to study the constitution and American history. He has NO idea what he is talking about. I wish people would study and learn about these things before they prattle on to try to push their agenda (theocractic bullshit). He is so full of shit.
matt27leo 1 year ago
Every single thing we know of that 'proves' religion to be right has been created by human hands. The Bible, The Quran, holy places and things, everything made by people. There's nothing you can show me that's man made that will convince me there's an omnipotent being that lives in the sky. This is why religion is losing ground. As our society becomes more focused on technology and information, we lose belief in magic. God is just a Santa for adults, something to believe in, not worship.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
anyone notice the background they put Hitchens in vs the background they put Blackwell on. not a coincidence trying to villainize Hitchens.
hydraulikz 1 year ago
@hydraulikz The background seems to villainize Blackwell, more than Hitchens, the color scheme behind blackwell, is a Red/brown, the color pretty much shouts evil, Hitchen's is blue/gray, a calming color. If the background was an attempt to villinize anyone it was Blackwell.
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yea warm colours vs cool colours. I don't think so.
hydraulikz 1 year ago
Man Blackwell looks like he's totally high on something..
That or he is immensely and profoundly stupid o.0!
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max2right 1 year ago
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Treaty of Tripoly, article 11 John Adams
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@max2right finally someone tells people the truth. Thank you. This has been my argument for such a long time. Im glad to see someone else sees this.
matt27leo 1 year ago
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. - Thomas Paine - Age Of Reason
max2right 1 year ago
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies." Ben Franklin
max2right 1 year ago
Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." 1787 letter to his nephew B. Franklin
max2right 1 year ago
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." April 1, 1774 James Madison
max2right 1 year ago
Blackwell's conflating the founding fathers with the Pilgrims is good evidence of his ignorance of US history.
Kailoa36 1 year ago
"over the course of our two hundred thirty two history", "ebbs and flows", "the fact of the matter", "hehehehe", this is all that that family research council douche has to say. So funny, and yet so pathetic, to watch this guy debate Hitchens.
sfmike20 1 year ago
'jesus'... can religious ppl just fucking die and can we forget about this whole religion bullshit? it's insane waste of time and human resources, ffs.
religion, just die please.
humanity has suffered enough cause of you.
utar88utar 1 year ago
Ken Blackwell got his ass handed to him
kaduisaui 1 year ago
Blackwell just needs to stay off TV - he is just horrible.
scytheka 1 year ago
Hitchens hate God or the idea of any Creator,science demands one.Hitchen never denys God on any scientific grounds,but emotional grounds alone.That's how most atheists work,they sidestep science and ridicule the idea they don't like.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Life only comes from life,intelligence from intelligence,all things bring forth after their own kind and matter can not come into existence on it's own.These are all scientific laws,yet atheists claim they can't be true because they just hate what it means.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Also, you implied that Athiest wishful thinkers. Most Athiest don't like the idea that they are going to die and decay into the ground. It would be nice if there was an afterlife where I could reunite with loved ones, but the science suggest otherwise.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype " but the science suggest otherwise."
Science doesn't suggest anything,atheists do.Science says that life and intelligence only comes from life and intelligence,atheists have faith that science is wrong,with no evidence at all.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I was wrong to say "science suggest otherwise" what I meant was there isn't evidence supporting the notion of an afterlife. regarding the rest of what you said, science doesn't say that life always comes from life. life has been created, in a lab, from only non-living material. It's possible given the right conditions.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype If science created life,it was from organic material and it took intelligence to do it.Actually man can't create anything,he can only rearrange since man cannot create matter,only God can.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN First of all, science didn't create life, science is a process that determines truth. Science gives a plausible naturalistic explination for a origin of the universe and life. A god or Creator is not necessary for life to exist.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype No,science is not giving a plausible naturalistic explanation,atheists are giving a hopeful mythical answer, since science does not give us a possibility that it could happen as the Big Bang asserts.That's what we've been discussing,SCIENCE DEEMS IT IMPOSSIBLE!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Go read a physics textbook, there is a lot of evidence supporting the big bang. How does science deem the big bang impossible? and don't say life only comes from life because that isn't true.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype I just went to the debate between Nepilim Free and DonExodus2 and Don backed out just like everyone expected.That says volumes for what atheism is all about,dishonesty,immorality,no proof and just flat out lies.Evolution is merely an atheistic myth perpetuated by those in power just like THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX,IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF FALSEHOODS AGREED UPON, A CONSPIRACY THAT CAN'T BE BACKED UP WHEN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH IS SHINED UPON IT.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN First of all you're talking like a creationist has never back down from a debate. They have. And the conclusions you drew don't follow at all. Secondly, you keep saying evolution has been shown to be impossible. Prove it! And be specific.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype I have been giving you specifics,you just refuse to accept science for a fairy tale ,that's all,go back and read the comments.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN You said "Life only comes from life,intelligence from intelligence." Life can come from pure abiotic material, and indeed it has.
you said "all things bring forth after their own kind" If you're saying Macro-evolution doesn't happen, prove it. This is most definitely not a law of science, and I have seen a lot of evidence to the contrary.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype That's as funny as maggots coming from rotten meat,fleas coming from old clothes and dead brush and plant matter bringing forth mice and rats.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN You also said "and matter can not come into existence on it's own." True. However, Scientist today think that there was energy there to begin with when the big bang happened (recall matter is just very condensed energy). So this law doesn't require a creator. There may or may not be a creator but I haven't seen evidence suggesting there is.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype Since as you said,matter is just compressed energy,this also means energy cannot be created either.Your still operating on atheists ideas alone,not science.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@MLGHype It's like this friend, if Jesus came down and did miracles for you one on one you still wouldn't worship Him.The only way for you to become a Christian is if the Father calls you to Jesus JN.6 :44,THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF PROOF THAT CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN You don't understand, I said the energy was there to begin with, it wasn't created, it was always there. Also, there is proof that would make me convert to christianity (or any religion) on the spot and I'll tell you specifically what that is. If a religion has a good record producing accurate prophecies, that aren't trivial, vague, ambiguous, self-fulfilling, and could not be contrived.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Another way to convert me would be to produce scientific studies that link miracles to prayer. This study would have to be repeated and produces a similar correlation each time. Indeed there was a study done where a group of believers were told to pray for certain sick people and not others. Then they checked who was healed. There was no correlation.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Also, I forgot to mention, there are other ways to convert me too, those are just a couple off my head.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype No,only God can convert someone,Christianity is not something a man decides to believe in,it's a supernatural changing of ones nature"born again".You must be talking about believing in one of the millions of other false gods that you would believe in,not the God of the Bible.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Do you think your belief is rational?
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype Truth is rationality in practice.Jesus is the way, the truth,and the life,unless you have Jesus as your Saviour,you can never have the truth,only some relative version or counterfeit ''truth" and eternal separation from your creator,first in Hell and finally the LAKE OF FIRE.Not even an unbeliever knows what it is like yet to be separated from God.When Jesus was on the cross the only thing that really upset Him out of His whole crucifixion,was when the Father turned from Him.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN How do you know your religion is the truth?
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype So you're saying it isn't?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@MLGHype He makes all things for a purpose,even the wicked for the day of evil.So as you can see,you are believing and doing, exactly what my God has purposed you to,you are just God's tool like everything else.Isn't it nice to know that the God that you deny is using you like a toilet?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN You didn't answer my question, I'm asking you how you know you God exists? How do you know "he makes all things for a purpose?" Is it the case where you just know because you know? or is there some rational reason for believing in your God (when I say rational I mean does it follow from logic and/or reason). Answering your question, I don't 'know' that your God is "using me like a toilet", in fact I no reason to believe he even exists.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I wouldn't go as far to say there is no good reason for believing in your God, but I would say I haven't found it if it's out there. That is why I'm asking you for one.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype I Believe God exists,because of over 2,000 fulfilled prophecies,Creation ,The eye witness accounts,How he's changed me and others I know,and the real miracles I've seen.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Okay, I don't believe in God because none the the prophecies can be varified (feel free to prove me wrong here) and meet the critera I made in an earlier post, creation has very little evidence supporting it and a lot of evidence to the contrary (namely carbon dating suggesting the world is way older than ~6000 years), eye witness accounts are not reliable, and, of all the 10000+ mutually contradicting religions, every one of them has people who they had an experiance with thier God.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype By your own at admission then,ALL HISTORY IS BULLOCKS CORRECT?Since we weren't there all history can be thrown out because nothing at all can be trusted,since eyewitness accounts make up 90 % of history,now you are a history denier and a science denier.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Saying that eye witnesses aren't reliable does not mean I deny history. The Qu'ran, and many other Holy books are all based on eye witnesses and you can't believe all them to be true becasue they contradict each other. All the eye witnesses supporting other religions are implicitly saying the christain eye witnesses are wrong. What if eye witnesses contradict each other? That fact that there is so much contradiction in itself shows that eye witnesses aren't reliable.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN and where did I deny Science? you made false claims and I pointed out which ones I knew to be false.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed by anything in the universe and life never comes from anything but life,these are scientific facts that you deny and you want to replace these FACTS with SCIENTISM.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Okay read what I say carefully. First of all, I never said that energy can be created or destroyed, in fact I agreed that It cannot. What I did say, was that modern science on the origion of the universe DOESN'T REQUIRE ENERGY TO BE CREATED. Modern scientific theory suggests the energy was already there, so a creator is not necessary.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN
Regarding "life never comes from anything but life." This is FALSE. And I'm not denying science by saying this. Would you be satisfied if I gave you a specific example of life forming from purely inorganic (i.e. not alive or the product of life) material? Look up "Miller/Urey Experiment" this is an example of life coming from non-living things. If you still think that "life never comes from anything but life" is a "scientific fact" then you sir are the one denying Science.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype HE,HE,HE they didn't create life,that's the stupidest thing I ever heard,stop your lying.As I said before take a frog,put it in a blender and turn it on,then make another or a bunch of frogs from all the frog ingredients.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I gave you a specifc example of life coming from non-life, you completely deny the evidence even though I threw it right in your face and you have the audacity to tell me I deny science! Take a look in the mirror. You tell me no evidence in the world will convince me your religion is the truth? you haven't given me a single piece of evidence I couldn't refute, and when I show you proof of life being created without a creator you're going to deny what is right in front of you?
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype Why do you deny all history?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I don't deny all history and I never said I did. You sir are strawmanning me, I said eye witnesses aren't reliable and they aren't. luckily, history isn't based solely on eye witnesses. History prefers primary sources as opposed to secondary sources like eye-witnesses becuase of accuracy. it's an insult to truth and historians everywhere to say 90% of history is based on eye witnesses.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype What is most of history based on then if not eye witness accounts?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN You are strawmanning me. This is not directly related to the topic at hand and you know it. History is based on many things, including archaeology, cause and effect, reasoning, and yes, also documented events. If you want to know more just look on the internet. Now back to the topic at hand...
MLGHype 1 year ago
@CBALLEN If you can't accept being wrong here, and can't put up a valid case against why I'm wrong then there's no point of arguing with you. If you don't either admit you're wrong or proof that i'm wrong on the point of life be created from purely abiotic material, then I'm not responding to you because you will never change your beliefs if you can't concede to being wrong on this minor detail. The evidence is right in front of you.
MLGHype 1 year ago
@MLGHype I'm not wrong ,you are.They did not create life at all,that's SCIENTISM, and you're right,this conversation is going no where because you are trying to invoke magic into science,and it just doesn't work that way.I do hope God saves you though,He can save anyone,but does He want to,that's the question.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@MLGHype The Big Bang is the same as any other evolution type fairy tale,real laws of science proves that it is impossible just like every other fairy tale,abiogenesis and macro-evolution.Sorry that your whole paradigm is wrong,but you chose to believe it.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
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CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN "That's how most atheists work,they sidestep science..." The vast majority of scientists, even in the united states are athiest. About 90% of scientists are Athiest if i'm not mistaken. And if you look at distinguished scientists the percantage is even higher.
MLGHype 1 year ago
dude can't fucking talk right, just sit there smiling
RedOnChrome 1 year ago
When can we see Hitchens debate Roy Comfort and make him his bitch?
hank1972 1 year ago
Unfair contest, Blackwell can just about string together a sentence and is an incoherent moron.
PeterSodhi 1 year ago
When you know you've been totally and absolutely owned, just laugh smugly. It'll fool everyone.
Then you can drone on about "faif" and being "forfright".
Dumb as a fucking ROCK.
AceSkepTik 1 year ago
Slow talking, slow thinking idiotic christian verses genius Hitchens. LOL!
libertarianjury 1 year ago
Anytime religion butts heads with reason they will show their true pathetic colors. You cannot defend with logic that that is not based on logic, and there is no other way to debate. So religion will always lose any intelectual contest all else being equal.
bfgray 1 year ago
Wow. It is a damn shame that someone of Christopher Hitchen's intellect has to put up with that shit-faced grin of someone who obviously knows nothing. I'm completely nonconfrontational, but even I wanted to smack the hell out of him.
LogicAndFacts 1 year ago
Blackwell constantly puts on this cringing grin reminiscent of a guy who, caught with his pants down, is trying to convince his wife that "No, honey, it's not what it looks like."
zendakk 1 year ago
*sigh* there are so many people in America that are religious fuck-tards... I'm so jealous of Europe. They're tolerant, and secular. Why can't all the retards just go to Texas and SECEDE!?!?!?!? Religion... PLEASE leave America.
PLEASE.
RiseOfSuperDogAway96 1 year ago
@RiseOfSuperDogAway96 don't be too jealous of europe bro...kind of boring.
actually there are a shit ton of proclaimed religious people here, but they don't really believe half the shit they are supposed to.
zanzibartraveler09 1 year ago
Christopher hitchens is awesome
TheLiberalSoup 1 year ago 2
He makes the other guy look like a bumbling idiot.
qarohc 1 year ago 2
Hitchens always seems so annoyed... having to try and reason with these assholes on tv.
joshuavanderloop 1 year ago 2
separation of church and state= separation of faith and politics you fucking idiot.
explizidace 1 year ago
"If you don't know that, you don't know anything!" hahahaha got to love Christopher!!!
shervman 1 year ago 2
I do hope that we are seeing the end of ALL god-based religions
lhrlyc 2 years ago 18
I'd say we have to attribute the extreme rise of Atheism and Agnosticism to the expanding technology and availability of high speed internet and a personal computer in almost every home. With anonymity people can interact in a place where they can ask the questions they really want to ask without fear of damage to their character in a public enviroment... like for say... a Catholic Church, watching the Pope tell little horny Timmy that condoms are EVIL and masturbation is a SIN!
Weezer220 2 years ago 2
Interesting how Ken Blackwell needs Hitch to point out that the pilgrims were not the founding fathers. Hitch is the man.
swampdonkey152000 2 years ago
God and religion its a good way to control your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheBrightconscious 2 years ago
God and the US
In Gods name we're stupid...going to war in the name of God?
What is a human life worth?
fulehammare 2 years ago
wat is Ken Blackwell talking about? his argument was completely flawed
led335 2 years ago 4
biggest point - most of the signers were deists, not theists. God was an ambiguous term they used to remain neutral because there were alot less atheists back then.
KritikalDimensions 2 years ago 2
slow, uneducated, wrongly confident bore taking up all the air time with dribble
P4PMike 2 years ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"It has a moral basis."
That makes it moral. LOL
Informatheist 2 years ago
lol Hitchens is so fucking smooth 2:54 "by all means" cool as fuck!
JoshMufc101 2 years ago
hitchens absolutely killed him.
JimmyTheMute 2 years ago
Blackwell should not be on that debate. I know more about what America is founded upon than that asshole.
Stutter because hes lying as fuck! !
krakksatan2 2 years ago
I honestly don't know why these people agree to debate Mr. Hitchens. He has more knowledge about Christianity than most Christians.
Devilock79 2 years ago 32
Religious people are delusional because there is no evidence to support ANY religion on the face of the earth over another.
For someone to believe a particular religion and think they can beat hitches in a debate is consistent with their delusion.
bcmalloy 2 years ago
Well this is the problem.
Religious people believe in a god they cannot prove exists.
Atheists believe there is no god, which is equally impossible to prove.
People should just keep their religious/non-religious beliefs to themselves tbh.
Devilock79 2 years ago
This is much less a problem than you conceive. Religious people are the ones that say they believe in absurd mythological being, and it is therefore their duty to prove that they're beliefs are rational, not of the ones who dont believe.
jquizzlemaster 2 years ago
Atheist don't need to prove no God just as we don't need to prove any other fantasy constructs - but that's an obvious and easy position we don't need to repeat here.
You are right - Religion should not matter, alas in some countries (and if they could the Christians would have it in the USA etc) it's basically imposed on people via the law.
Christians etc want to make it illegal to criticize them or even question them - that's just one reason why Atheists are increasingly having to speak out.
intruder313 2 years ago 8
@intruder313 LOL WUT? Illegal to criticize them?
Your out of touch.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
Yeah, next time a Christian minister speaks out against gays or an Imam says apostates should be killed, I'll just keep my criticisms about the truth claims of their religions silent.
andyissemicool 2 years ago
@Devilock79, I must disagree. The burden of proof is on the people who believe that there is a supreme being in the sky watching our every moving and involving himself with our daily lives. If you make an assertion, you therefore must defend that claim. Atheists are not making outlandish claims. There is just as much evidence for god as there is the pink unicorn and the flying spaghetti monster, but YOU can't prove to me that they don't exist. Also, the pink unicorn so happens to be my personal
tbird13936 2 years ago 3
@Devilock79 NO. Religious people do not keep their beliefs to themselves. They try to convert others. They use their religion to take over lands, politics, etc. Religion is one of the single greatest causes of suffering on earth. religious people have gone unchallenged long enough & if it were up to them, they'd take over politics even more & run ppl's lives. Example: watch?v=f5TE99sAbwM History is replete w/ worse examples. THAT is the problem.
iiwatcher 2 years ago 3
@Devilock79
"equally" impossible to prove?
Ridiculous.
nemirn 2 years ago
LOLLOLLOL, "If you don't know that, You don't know anything." I"m sorry, but I just love Christopher Hitchens bluntness lol. Cracks me up.
halfawake454 2 years ago 15
Thank You For Posting; But!, if we're all born equal, therefore we would all be as fine a writer as Harlan Ellison, and who hasn't wished for that equality. All the socially acceptable religions hide behind their religion to justify slavery, therefore, why is Ken Blackwell defending religion, and why is Ken Blackwell ignoring the fact the slave owners took turns raping all the men, women, and children slaves, and servants on their plantations. Some faith.
Cheers!
Valkyrie Ziege Mourne
12Zwolf 2 years ago
This guy Blackwell doesn't stop talking at all and then acts like Hitchens is the one cutting him off lol What a fucking moron. Also, Blackwell being a black man, I like to know how we had slavery in this country if we are a Christian nation and if Christianity claims we are all created equally? Hmm.
Treaty of Tripoli states "we are not a christian nation" that treaty with those words was ratified by our Congress after being read out loud in full and then signed by our President. Case closed.
dfrutled 2 years ago 2
Wow, somehow I'd never come across the Treaty of Tripoli before. Just looked it up and Article 11 spells it out pretty clearly. That is awesome, thanks!
icemachine79 2 years ago
Wow Blackwell, Ive heard some decent opponents to Hitchens, but you sir are a moron and, laughing and cutting off the other speaker doesnt gain you points. Go back to school Reggie
vedder530 2 years ago
no, religion isn't coming back from this ebb. Information kills religion and the internet will kill religion unless religion somehow adapts, which would be a nightmare.
ndyt 2 years ago
It won't. Mainstream christianity is losing out, while orthodox religion remains steadvast, meaning a small group of die-hard christians will always remain that won't adapt to society.
MrMeter 2 years ago
@MrMeter True but they'll eventually all sacrifice their lives for their faith and slowly disappear from the gene pool (thank God)
jquizzlemaster 2 years ago
@ndyt "information kills religion". I like that.
battlebear666 2 years ago 2
I think it's quite obvious that it is to the benefit of the atheist community that the major news networks have fools like Blackwell on their shows. There is no such person on the Christian side that can adequately debate Hitchens. I, for one, am very glad Blackwell made such a fool of himself. The worse christianity looks, the better.
ashleylovesdaddy 2 years ago
Mr Blackwell got OWNED
HairyGamer 2 years ago
this statement is the equivalent of a frat boy going "CHUG! CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!"
TomWaitsLivesWithout 2 years ago
hitchens is such a constitutionalist, but he supports the iraq war. i'm guessing he also only reads what he wants in certain texts.
atheist6in6a6foxhole 2 years ago
Ken "Uncle Tom" Blackwell!
Jrivera0201 2 years ago 2
This chris guys an idiot
speakerman1818 2 years ago
Ken Blackwell..another rancid hypocrite; the man who worked to deny people their Constitutional right to vote; who worked tirelessly to steal the Ohio vote for his crony Bush. A liar and a thief..hmm... such a good "Christian."
marcostar57 2 years ago
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honestly hitchens, let the guy finish what he's saying, shut up until its your turn.
Archerael 2 years ago
Why are US citizens so bent on being called sheep or sheeple?
Does it make US Americans better people if they call themselves Christians?
Or does it make them feel better?
I am totally lost here.
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
this guy, Ken Blackwell , is utterly stupid!!!!
mihaicosmos 2 years ago
Blackwell is an idiot with no point to anything he says. How come he is being interviewed on TV?
goldstead 2 years ago 3
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lol human rights not coming from government...coming from the nigger...I see
Thepartyvanishere 2 years ago
Who is this christian clown?
Frohicky1 2 years ago
By all means, Ken Blackwell is an asshole. He's sitting there with his arrogant smile, as if it makes his argument more accurate if he pretends that Hitchens doesn't know what he's talking about. He needs to read a fucking history book about the enlightenment, deism, and the founding fathers.
bxjam85 2 years ago 2
The American nation may be "built on a moral foundation" in Blackwell's view, but it isn't practising it. Look out of the window, Blackwell. Geez.
JustineK45 2 years ago
"the pilgrims are not founders, dear sir." lol
everythingafter 2 years ago 3
Wow, Blackwell is a real bonehead douchebag. His knowledge of US history is abyssmal.
Phi1618033 2 years ago 3
Blackwell is in way over his head, spewing the same "judeo-christian" nonsense. So these are the same Christian morals and values that compelled him to suppress votes in Ohio?
Gralu247 2 years ago 2
Hitchens should not even waste time with clown logic from Blackwell. Let Blackwell believe in his mythological nonsense.
goldstead 2 years ago 4
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The United States ARE a Christian Nation ! Our laws also are based on good christian values. Trying to seperate this important link between church and state is foolish, and will lead to moral decay. It would lead to regimes like stalin, mao or hitler!
colpeer 2 years ago
You're a dead man/woman if you try debating with Hitchens really. Poor guy who is on the recieving end of him here :(
Litowczuk123 2 years ago
America is a christian nation as far as its people goes but its not a Christian Nation like Iran is a Islamic Republic at least not yet ;)
Babaretro222 2 years ago 2
Christopher Hitchens was being very polite and well mannered, and the other guy was acting like an ass, you could tell that hitches was pissed at the end.
sparkydog120 2 years ago 2
For a smart guy, for Hitchens to point the finger at 'The ones who want to destroy us' I think is very low of him. He must have forgotten that we have bombed and murdered many innocents in their home land so for them to not want us dead would make me laugh. If you taunt a caged tiger long enough, the first opportunity the tiger gets to rip your throat out, he will.
ironwork92000 2 years ago
This Blackwell guy was just stuttering and stumbling to filibusterer the conversation.
Vodka2389 2 years ago 3
he was trying to convince him self that America is a Christian Nation. kinda funny.
autonomodelmundo 2 years ago 3
Religion only makes sense if it's personal. Once you start prescribing it the point vanishes totally. I'm not religious but I don't mind if others are.
The Indian mystic, Osho, made the point that love has been polluted because we've institutionalized and pedestalized it. We teach people how to love and ruin its purity. Hatred, funnily enough, remains pure.
PikemannUrge 2 years ago
LOL what a house nigga!
druha10304 2 years ago
Hahaha, what a slag.
America was built by racist, sexist desperate men on the backs of inmurable slaves. So yes, it goes without saying that it was built by christians.
skeletor5656 2 years ago 3
Don't forget what they learned from the Native Americans. Unfettered human spirit untouched by politics. They learned what being a natural man was before they killed them and herded them all onto reservations. If their culture was allowed to survive America would be a much better place. They learned true freedom from them. Not to mention tribal government. Then kept it for themselves and encouraged bronze age Christian myths politicized by Rome for the rest of US. Most bought it. But not all.
dhRzztt 2 years ago