Theroux: "I wanted to show that the army was policing the Israeli extremists, and instead of just showing extremist views we could show that the ones reining them in were the Israeli military.
"But I think I overestimated that. They let settlers do what they want. I was shocked and disappointed by that. I didn't realise to what extent the state encouraged settlers."
The BBC has had to backtrack after it sent out an incorrect publicity notice describing hard-line Zionists featured in a Louis Theroux film as "possibly the biggest threat to world peace today".
A BBC spokesperson said: "This billing for The Ultra Zionists did not reflect the programme accurately. As soon as the mistake was brought to our attention, we rectified the situation by replacing it with the correct billing."
Atrocities justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities... just like racism.
Couldn't they just forgive and stop with the generalizations?
Because he wanted to see how they respond to that? But that other skinheaded guy, Tom something, he said something about turkey burgers because Louis doesn't eat pork.
What an arrogant, pompous arsehat. I feel ashamed to have the same accent as this dbag.
So the Palestinian family living there just magically disappeared? Or got an offer too good to refuse to move out? (Barrel of an assault rifle to the back of the head. Traditional Israeli diplomacy)
Just last night, the IDF demolished illegal Jewish homes in the West Bank in the middle of the night. Yesterday, Hamas executed an Arab for collaborating with 'Zionists'. Palestinian human rights groups say they're very concerned about these continuing executions.
The BBC reports none of these things because it breaks the stereotypes their trying to reinforce.
Please pull your heads out of your asses (ie stop using the BBC/Western media as your only source of information).
There are two issues here: first is the large Arab guy shouting, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The Jewish guy is saying that Arabs who sell to Jews are punished by death.
That may be hard for others to appreciate because media such as the BBC never report such things. In Jordan it is part of the law: death for those who sell to Jews.
Later in the interview the Jewish guy says he won't discuss things further to protect the Arab family.
This was orchestrated by the UN/UK/NWO during WW1 through a letter that stated "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object". This benefitted the antisemitic Nazi supporters in WW2 when USA, UK, Canada, Mexico and all middle eastern countries refused to accept Jewish Holocaust refugees who had to escape by occupying Jew-hating Palestine
SEEMS THERE IS SO MUCH HE CANT TALK ABOUT,I THINK ITS A GREAT IDEA FOR THE UN TO RECOGNISE palestine as a state,its a step torawrds two states at peace,am almost 30,all i have seen is this unever ending attrocite,its time for peace,Jews LET THE PALASTINIANS HAVE LAND TOO
watching this doco (as an australian) and seeing how crazy this aussie is really scares me. The most hard lined Israelis seem to have Australian, Sth African and American accents! I have met 100s of Israelis around the world who are NOTHING like these guys!!!
this was has nothing to do with zionists, zionizem is gone from this world.
this is 100% religouse war.
i don't want this.
israelis and arabs can get along great, before the foundation of israel arabs and jews got along.
im ashamed, my whole family survived the hollacoast and got to see this filth, it's bad, and im sure my grandparents would of go back to Eu if they could, i certantly try to.
this was has nothing to do with zionists, zionizem is gone from this world.
this is 100% religouse war.
i don't want this.
israelis and arabs can get along great, before the foundation of israel arabs and jews got along.
im ashamed, my whole family survived the hollacoast and got to see this filth, it's bad, and im sure my grandparents would of go back to Eu if they could, i certantly try to.
I was watching this programme called "Beauty and the Geek Israel". One of the questions was about the Israelis "hoodwinking" the world about a certain issue. This was common knowledge - so much to the fact that even a girl who identified as a bimbo knew it.
There is so much bs-ing that is happening right now from the Israelis, and the US are too daft to realize they are funding a corrupt (albeit a smart) regime. Poverty and corruption do not always go hand in hand.
One should never make such broad generalizations anyway because they are pretty much always doomed to miss the real circumstances. While the very notion of nationalism is found on the idea that “the others” are different from “us” it’s far from accurate.
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@SuGaRuSh14 Absolutely wrong...the Jews did not shoot missiles at German civilians, never blew themselves up in German restaurants, never kidnapped German buses and soldiers and never voted for a organisation that says that they want to eliminate every single German and take their land away. The Jews cannot be made responsible for the Holocaust in any shape, way or form. The Palestinians however can be fully made responsible for Israels actions against them.
@TaleOfValors If somebody would walk in to your home and say It's mine now, would you not put up a fight with the intruder? That's what the Palestine people do.
@MichaelMalmo If you sell your house first, then a few years later start to fire missiles at the new owner and want him to die, wouldn't the new owner have the right to defend himself? You just don't hear that in our left winged medias.
Life is going to get a lot more technical when this show actually airs.. "Some things we can talk about, some things we can't" doesn't fly when you're dealing with hostile people and dead bodies folks.
I am going to have to say, I watched this after never really understanding why these ppl were fighting..Oh my This man Daniel the extremist is a nut job. Watching this episode I was actually suprised at how many times I cracked up laughing. Anyone or Any religion that cannot talk about things openly is obviously hiding the real truth of their actions. Daniel's ideology is evil almost and he seems to have mental issues as he derives a beastly pleasure from the suffering he's causing the Arabs
2:07 Yes your right you disgrace for a human being, very right, you wont talk about your crimes and oppression but you can talk badly about Palestinians.
I fucking hate Zionism so much it had destroyed so many things.
The idea of Jews hating Goyim has nothing to do with Zionism.. It's what Jew haters think about Judaism. And i've said nothing about hating non jews at all. As i've said, there are good ones and bad ones, jews and gentiles. The word Goyim is in the hebrew bible.. It's a neutral word, not derogatory. What are you reading that tells you about Jews hating Goyim.. That is not to do with Zionism, or Judaism, but it is the jew haters view of Judaism.
@jameshanley40 I never said Jews hated Goyim. "has *nothing* to do with Zionism"?! The word Goyim is used in modern language by Zionists as a derogatory term. And if you need proof for that I'll be more than happy to provide you with it. And please try to contain all of your thoughts within the limit of one reply. Because it's hard to keep track of the conversation when you post multiple replies.
Islammic scholars have academic texts against jews.. Like Sheikh Tantawi's 700 page thesis.. "the jews in the quran and traditions/sunnah". A Zionist rabbi recently wrote of when nations come and attack...so not just any non jew. So context is relevant. But more than that, what counts most is what is preached in synagogues or mosques. There are so many synagogues or schools accepting Zionism, I do not hear hatred of the goy.
But in mosques , on arab tv, on british documentaries where they uncovered what goes on in islammic schools and mosques, they found this hatred.. MEMRI has tons of it non stop from arab tv.. of those Sheikhs. There was a drama on Syrian TV about jews drinking killing a boy and drinking his blood for passover. It's non stop propaganda.. preached to crowds.. That's preaching hatred. I only see it from the arabs. I don't mind some obscure text, but preaching hate is different.
The fact is, you are talking from a position of complete ignorance, making a claim that requires either a)a survey or b)experience. I told you it's a neutral word, i've heard it used in lots of different contexts. Zionists, non zionists, it makes no difference. Like "Some Guy came up to me and threw a beer bottle at me". That's a kind of derogatory usage, whereas "The guy that delivers the papers", is neutral.
Zionist or not makes no difference, no jew, is going to say Oscar Schindler was not a goy.. Anyhow, jews aren't like muslims, jews don't expect everybody to learn the whole language, with muslims it's all news/docujmentaries, quran, hadith, tafsir, hijab, nikab, takfir, haram al sharif, salam, And their arabic names, all pronounced perfectly, sulayman. I've got on very well with muslims that knew me as a strong zionist, they weren't brainwashed like you into thinking i'd hate them.
So now most of Israel is made up of jews from arab lands. Ultimately, Israel is important to all jews, jews became a nation in israel, developed their national language - hebrew - in Israel.. Had kings and prophets, in Israel.. Had the temple in Israel. So it's an important place for jews all over the world. Like saudi arabia and macca are to muslims.
so still no invasion.The palestinian state of transjordan was created.. (the east bank). Arabs only lost their homes when they started a complete war.. but as I said, 150,000 remained and became citizens.Arabs lost homes again when they went to war again in 1967.Also There were loads of jews in the arab world, 800,000made into refugees, the arabs attacked them and most fled to israel I think many leaving property behind, and were not compensated. Hence JJAC(justice for jews from arab countries)
what the jewish guy said made sense, that it's dangerous for the arabs to be seen leaving with all that stuff, they may be attacked by arabs, because of the law the arabs have. We don't need to keep going over this. As I said , the program didn't look at the claims of each side, the evidence. It's just one man's word against anothers. And I do know the arabs there have a law that they can't sell to jews. It's not enough to decide one way or the other as you have and I haven't
This is not about race.I never said trust one over the other.I said there should be an investigation. You obviously believe that jews think they are superior.this is a common belief amongst people that believe jews have these terrible prejudices against gentiles.it is a common belief amongst those that hate jews, they may hate jews because they think jews believe arabs are inferior.If you believe that then you may well hate jews.Any Arab can become a jew and be 100% jewish.
And if you were an anti-semite, believe me neither me, nor this man, are your victims.. So don't get too proud and start trumpeting about how people are your victims. Jews have been victims for 2000 years, have no desire to be victims anymore.. and finally have a state to defend themselves.
@jameshanley40 The question is how did they get that state? Is killing other people and driving them out of their land and victimizing them is the only way to "defend their poor selves"? Are they not happy with the life in America and Europe? They already own and influence almost everything there, so why do they need to kill us?
On the self defence question, the reality of self defense is that the person initiating violence, is met with violence. Israel did try the wall which successfully kept out suicide bombers and saved many many jewish/israeli lives and prevented many more from being maimed for life, in a completely non violent way. But then the arabs launched rockets and they place their military bases in arab civilian areas maximizing arab civilian casualties when Israel responds.
Furthermore, on the subject of self defence. Who the aggressor is. If Israel puts down its weapons, it'd be destroyed. If the arabs put down their weapons, there would be peace.
If people attack you and try to drive you out in war, as arabs did to jews, then yes, the aggressor could be attacked back, and lose, incurr many casualties, the jews had 6000 casualties, 1% of the population.. it was a war they didn't want and didn't start. The arabs started it, and lost, and most arabs didn't stay and fight to the death. This is the unfortunate reality of self defence and war, do you have any better ideas if israel, the jewish state, wants to exist alive?
When the Ottoman Empire fell, and supported Germany in WW1, the Allies carved up the area and gave the arabs many lands and the jews one.Britain had a legal obligation to keep israel for it to be a jewish homeland.Churchill said, it is of right not of sufferance.. Some jews already lived in Israel and had done since long before islam.More came the jewish people became a nation in Israel, jews are the nation of Israel. Always have been.Like what Saudi Arabia and Macca is to Arabs.
As to what you write of, the jewish power in america and europe controlling almost everything.. Jews couldn't have had that much power in europe, since 60% of the jewish community of europe was wiped out in the Holocaust. So I don't know what you think of jewish power there. There are some rich jews, but like rich arabs, they are just in it for themselves. Not for helping their people. Even jews themselves, most voted for Obama. Arabs are better in that sense.
Besides the old jewish community there.. The jews started immigrating since 1880 did not come with weapons and steal homes, so it's not true at all to say they invaded. So if you ask how they got land, they came in, even in the ottoman empire, and arabs sold it to them. jews bought land. That was how it was at that time. Then the ottoman empire fell, many lands were given to arabs, and the British took over with the legal obligation to make it a jewish homeland, and more jews came in.
Maybe next time don't ask such a long question like "The question is how did they get that state?" Seriously!!! But now you know. So don't say they came and stole homes. They lost them in 1948 in a war they started. And still 150,000 stayed and were made citizens..
@jameshanley40 yeah well, dude. apparently you're blinded with your extremist Zionism and hatred towards Goyim. So i'm not discussing this with your sorry ass anymore.
No. So where do you get the idea of jews hating "goyim"? It's just in your mind that jews hate non-jews, so since you think that, I have no doubt that you hate jews.. Do you know what goyim means? you think it's racist, you think judaism is racist, you hate jews.. That's obvious.. I never said anything about hating goyim. I said that an arab can become a jew and be 100% jewish. Your other pro palestinian guy said similar things.. No wonder mein kampf is so popular with arabs..
Your problem is really deeper than Zionissm. Your problem is you really believe jews think non jews are inferior. I said nothing of the sort, it's in your mind.. But it's quite clear to me now that you hate jews.. Now you're calling yourself a Goy, thinking it's derogatory, and thinking I even am talking to you in that sense or using that term.. You are a jew hater plain and simple. I hate jew haters, whether they're jewish, or goyim
There are good jews and bad jews.. good gentiles(or goyim), and bad ones.. Many gentiles are greater than jews, and vice versa. And you are a jew hater, who thinks terrible things of jews.. The fact that you are not jewish is not relevant to me. You think it is because you truly believe jews view non jews as inferior.
I *am* saying that you believe he is a liar, and you trust the arab. This is true. And I am saying, as i've said, that you shouldn't just believe one side not the other, and it needs an investigation. The Arabs *DO* have a law that they cannot sell to jews. If jews had such a law, you and others would say it was racist.
I did not say you were racist or anti-semitic. Funny how you accuse me of playing victim.. I'd like to see how that is. It is -you- that is playing victim pretending that you are being labelled anti-semitic or racist. I will point out now, that anti-semites do tend to do that. In addition, you've said "that Jewish guy is a liar" "I don't believe him for a second". I'm not saying you're an anti-semite.
You DO assume that the jew is a liar. He said, the arabs have a law, and if jews had such a law, people say it's racist. The Arabs have a law that they cannot sell to jews. It makes perfect sense that they cannot go out carrying a bunch of stuff. I suspect that what the jewish man is saying is true, and that if what the arab said was true, then the courts would have dealt with it. I would think in an investigation you'd see that. I know the arabs have such a law.
Under the British, the arabs(not necessarily palestinian) owned most of 30%. The British owned 70%. I suppose you think the British stole that 70% from the Arabs.. Do you have evidence of who owned what land before then?
If you say there are no jewish refugees from arab lands, well, you're denying history. They are still fighting for justice. There is the JJAC - justice for jews from arab countries. And regarding land, do you have evidence that palestinians owned all the land and the british stole it? It could've been owned mostly by the ottoman empire. What evidence do you have?
I am not justifying a person 'stealing a person's house and placing other people in there when the family goes out for an outing' The australian jewish guy said it was sold. The arab guy said they went out for a wedding and it was taken. You just naturally assume that the jew is a liar, and the arab is telling the truth. You shouldn't assume that. It'd need an investigation to find out, and the program didn't investigate it.
I am not justifying a person 'stealing a person's house and placing other people in there when the family goes out for an outting' The australian jewish guy said it was sold. The arab guy said they went out for a wedding and it was taken. You just naturally assume that the jew is a liar, and the arab is telling the truth. You shouldn't assume that. It'd need an investigation to find out, and the program didn't investigate it.
and in the process of that war, there were 800,000 jews in arab lands, made into refugees, thrown out from arab lands where they'd lived since even before islam, even before there were "arabs" there. Their land and property was stolen. But they picked themselves up..remade their lives, and with no compensation from the world
This is why you should give Your opinion, and not just quote people. You are clearly implying that you agree with Ben Gurion. Arabs should not make peace.. If you don't agree, then don't play games. Of course it's an amusing quote, you wolly. It's BG saying he'd go to war if he was arab. Very good. Maybe you agree and would go to war. The Arabs clearly go to war, and won't accept any Israel. That is the truth of the matter.
I thought we were having an adult discussion, but now I'm done.
Arabs and Jews need to respect eachother and respect History. If you cannot see the sense of injustice felt by disenfranchised Arabs or even acknowledge it as Ben-Gurion, the pragmatist, did then there is no point.
What the hell are you thinking. Obviously I know who Ben Gurion is you wolly. Do you want me to quote arafat "Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian
people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."" Don't just throw a quote. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
If you want to AGREE with Ben Gurion's quote, that arabs should not make peace, then that seems to be your point. WAR! Nobody is saying that jews or arabs have not suffered.
1956, Ben-Gurion stated: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ... There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance".
an amusing quote but your point is?That jews stole the land from the arabs?arabs sold land to jews. Arabs only lost land when they attacked israel on its foundation. Let's say Ben Gurion believes arabs should not make peace and that arabs should annihilate israel. OK So do U think that Arabs should not make peace, and should try to annihilate Israel?And more important than you, do Arabs think that. Because if they do,then that is the real reason why there cannot be peace
so to summarize a)it's a mischaracterization to say religious book says your land. Israel is the basis for the jews being a nation. it's the birthplace of the jewish nation and language. b)zionist founders and leaders were not religious c)what bothers the arabs, is a jewish state of any size. With or without religious jews in judea. They have a big state, it is called jordan. Jordan is the east bank. it is just as much palestine as the rest. That at least is a natural border.
the british were supposed to be (guarding?) that land ottoman south syria. east and west jordan, as the jewish homeland. those were part of the terms of the mandate, agreed by the League of nations. So they should have been zionist. Do you have a link about the 400 figure?
to jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
to jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
@justincaseywhy look at death with one eye, it is not easy to find out much information about Postwar Palestine but 400 British Squaddies and policemen were murdered by The Lehi, The Stern gang and the Irgun as well as the British Envoy Lord Moyne and Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN envoy who'd helped rescue thousands from Concentration camps. How?
listening to this zealot, whom one would trust as far as you could throw him, you can start to understand how scarey obeying "Gods word" can be.
Except that the Lehi, Stern, Irgun, were not religious. Also, where do you get the 400 figure? What has this jewish man in the video said that was scary? If you listen to the content of what he is saying, he is saying that the Israeli Government is covering for the arab/arab family, to prevent arabs from killing the arab/arab family. The arabs have a law that they can't sell to jews. Also, the americans faught the british..
The jews were fighting a british force that was blocking immigration when european jews needed it most Prior to and during the holocaust.The jews needed a jewish state more than anything, zionism is right about that.So I could understand them fighting the british,who I think also turned away ships of jewish refugees. And installed haj amin al husseini in power.Fortunately the british left in time to save 800,000jews from arab lands that were chased out.But not in time to save jews of europe
@jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
Perhaps you really don't know about Zionism. Theodore Herzl was secular. The zionist's movements founders and leaders were not religious jews. It was based on jewish history and a response to 2000 years of jew hatred so instead of living as a persecuted minority unable to defend themselves, they would have their own state. Why israel was special to them is an interesting question, but they were not religious and not following any divine order.
@jameshanley40 there are secular Zionists, who may stress historical links over religious ones but what is judaism a nationality or a religion.
the programme was about Ultra zionists, the guy speaking here and others interviewed stated, time and again, that it was their birthright to occupy this land, in fact it was their duty, because "they are chosen people".
Look if you study canaanite religion, and you see this in israelite religion too, they have a story about different gods choosing different peoples. I think each people had a land too.. The jewish people are also known as the nation of israel, they were born in that land, they are a nation because of israel, and have maintained their nationalistic aspects, language, religion, throughout exile, and the jews in israel maintained it too.
@jameshanley40 Why talk of Jew hatred, there was largely peace between Arab and Jewish neighbours in Palestine until Zionists arrived in numbers that could neither be controlled or managed. The more radical elements carried out the murder of Lord Moyne Folke Bernadotte (Yitzhak Shamir took part) and British troops. The problem became a racial one, the British withdrew arabs were disenfranchised, don't belive me here is what David Ben Gurion said
Jews only started fighting to defend themselves, after arabs attacked them in the 20s and the british govt of the time didn't keep the peace by protecting the jews from them. Instead, putting haj amin al husseini in power and restricting immigration so as to appease the arabs. Many thousands(10,000s? 100,000s? more?) jewish lives would've been saved had they scrapped that policy and let jews in. Anyhow, when the Ottomans ruled, the arabs were fighting them.
Hebrew is more ancient than arabic. Ultimately, the arabs have a problem with jews ruling that land. Religious or not. So to say it's religious jews in judea that are the problem, is silly.
The arabs there "palestinians" only lost the land when the other arabs went to war and while they managed to kill 6000 jews, they lost the war, and many arabs there ran rather than fight to the death in the war that they started, and those ones became refugees.The ones that stayed,(150,000 !!)did not lose their land. They became israeli arabs. Lesson, you try to kill somebody and throw them off their land,then you might not succeed in your muderous plans, and might lose your land.
@jameshanley40 Excuse me? Are you saying that the Arabs started a war out of the blue against Jews, just like that, in an already existing state called "Israel"? Because that's too much crap even for April's fools day! You need to check your facts, dude!
no i'm not saying it was out of the blue, i'm not saying it was without reason. Their reason was and is, that they didn't and don't want a jewish state at all. You may or may not think they were justified in going to war and killing 6000 jews in that war, and in wanting israel's destruction and trying to this day. What I am saying, is how they lost the land. If you say jews came and stole it, you're not being honest.
@jameshanley40 There were some Jews living in an independent state called Palestine, and yes, the Zionists invaded it coming from Britain. Saying otherwise and ignoring facts is blatant lying. You keep saying that "6000 Jews were killed" which I'm not sure that's true, because that was a war against the invading Zionists and not innocent Jewish civilians in Palestine. Do not blame people for not wanting a state to be created on a land they own as an independent country. Hello! Occupation much?!
The arabs didn't own most of te land.. most of the land was owned by Britain, And there were no palestinians ruling there. never has been. That doesn't mean they had no right to live there. I don't know whether the arabs should have said they don't want jews to rule any land.. The Arabs didn't rule that land under the ottoman empire. In fact the arabs faught the ottomans. They killed jews 'cos they wanted power over all the land with no jewish state at all.
you're going to have to not get emotional and use your brain, and not put words into my mouth. Perhaps you are saying they are justified in going to war in 1948 and killing 6000 jews, and in continuing to dream of wiping israel out. Arabs still believe they are justified, that's why there cannot be peace.
@jameshanley40 see? right there. that's what I meant by "irritating". there's nothing i hate more than someone trying to tell me an obvious lie and expecting me to believe it. sorry, but this will be my last reply to you and i hope you wouldn't be so childish as to try and put words in my mouth and making me look like an anti-Semite. oh, btw, i am Semitic but that doesn't affect my opinion on israel. truth must be told.
What is it that you think is the "obvious lie"? I am not trying to make you look like anything. It is a common belief, that the arabs are justified in their wars against israel. I don't know whether you believe they are or not. I'm not saying it's anti-semitic to believe it. I suppose there's a good question there, if somebody supports that, are they an anti-semite, I don't know, perhaps sometimes at least, but i'm not saying you are.
If somebody has a fact wrong, it may be accidental.. For example, when you said about their being "an independent state called Palestine", that's an incorrect fact. But I wouldn't necessarily say you are a liar, doing it intentionally.. You may just not be aware of the facts. The area was part of the Ottoman Empire, and not independent. And then they lost it,. And the British took over, for it to be a jewish homeland.
Nobody other than you refers to it under the British or Ottomans, as an independent palestinian state. I wouldn't necessarily call you a liar as you call me. Perhaps you just don't know the facts.. But why don't you show me what fact you think I have wrong? Where i'm "lying". And regarding you being a semite, you're right it doesn't affect your view, you could for example be an israel hating arab, or a pro israel jew, or a self hating jew.or anything,I do not bring up your ethnicity
When the Arabs attacked the jewish state to wipe it out, in 1973, on Yom Kippur, a fast day, they chose that day because jews hadn't eaten for a long time and were physically not strong.. it was a very cowardly tactic, do you believe this was right? If you really feel that to say Yes would make you an anti-semite, then why can't you say No? The truth is that they don't think it's wrong, and the only thing they regret is not succeeding.
the arabs were living on their land, and jews came bought land and lived on the land they bought nobody was throwing anybody else off of land. when the arabs started massacring jews in the 20s, and jews responded, the arabs still had their land, and the jews theirs. When the arabs went to war, most of the arab "palestinians"(arabs living there) left in the war, didn't fight to the death.. Some stayed, and israel made them citizens.
And the western wall is judaism's holiest site. Do you think jews blowing the shofar at the western wall, is a reason to massacre jews?
(by the way, what makes you think that if a source is a leftist israeli politician it is better than a palestinian politician? you anti israel leftists think that if a source is jewish or israeli and conforms to your prejudices, e.g. norman finkelstein, it's superior)
@jameshanley40 How many times to i have to say it? The 1929 Palestinian riots were ignited by right wing Jewish extremist who went to the Western Wall shouting "the Wall is ours" and attacking local residents. That is what sparked the riots. I guess your ideological blinker must be filtering out information that contradicts your narrative of events.
You have not shown a source of any jews attacking local residents, and you keep saying it and giving no source for it. And if you hadn't noticed, The Wall is the last remaining Wall of the ancient jewish temple. Built by jews and the focal point of jewish prayer and nobody else's prayer, for millenia. And if jews say it is theirs it's a problem for you, then they are extremists, and should be massacred?
@jameshanley40 Again i am simple stating that it was Jewish extremists that ignited the Palestinian riots, and remember, it wasn't just Jews who died.
The shaw report says "The outbreak in Jerusalem on 23 August was from the beginning an attack by Arabs on Jews for which no excuse in the form of earlier murders by Jews has been established."
"In our opinion the immediate causes of the outbreak were:-
1.The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929."
Are you not able to comprehend that it was zionist Jews who were the cause of the riots?
Stop copy/pasting the exact same thing and ignoring the issue I am bringing up.And by the way,if you read a paragraph above it,you read what they describe the "fundamental cause"to be.Obviously if it hadn't been jews blowing the shofar outside the jewish holy site that "upset" the supreme muslim council causing them to burn bible scrolls and beat jews,itd have been something else.eg jews putting up a partition for prayer at the wall.It wasnt jews attacking muslims like you claimed.
I asked you for a source for your claim, that "right wing extremist jews" or any jews attacked muslims and that ignited it. You clearly made it up.And no quoting of the shaw report backs up your claim. And there is a bigger question here. The question of Did the jews deserve to be massacred? My answer is No. What is your answer? And you say arabs diedWhat arabs died in the 1929 Hebron massacre and how? -source-
There is a book by Uri Milstein, that goes into detail about history pre 1948, is complete and includes coverage of arab atrocities.. I can't comment on those ones you mention. But what is your source for Brit Habirionim instigating the 1929 riots? That sounds absolutely absurd. There was a british enquiry into the hebron incident called the Shaw Report No jews instigated that at all. And the group you mention is not mentioned.
In our opinion the immediate causes of the outbreak were:-
1.The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929.
@jameshanley40 Brit Habirionim were part of the hundreds of zionist Jews that marched to the Western Wall shouting "the Wall is ours" and attacking local residents. This is what ignited the 1929 riots, which spilled over into Hebron.
If you used wikipedia, and said "The 1929 Hebron riots were ignited by right wing Jewish extremists called Brit Habirionim" What are the quotes from wikipedia you wrote that led you to that? Wikipedia says Brit Habirionim were "active between 1930 and 1933" Obviously that is after the 1929 riots. Wikipedia in describing their actions doesn't have them beating or killing anybody. Yet they are your "right wing jewish extremists".
@jameshanley40 "There are many who are unaware that the 1929 riots [in Hebron] were sparked, like the Al Aqsa Intifada, by the actions of a gang of right-wing extremists that called itself Brit Habirionim. The Birionim broke into the Western Wall area in the days leading to Yom Kippur and blew the shofar. Word then got around that the Jews want to get to the Temple Mount & destroy the Al Aqsa mosque. That's the way the riots and massacres started."
@jameshanley40 Abba Ahimeir, the founder of Brit Habirionim was a self confessed fascists, so yes, i would describe them as right wing Jewish extremists.
What of the muslim supreme council that marched towards jews beat them and burnt bible scrolls and "pages of" prayer books. They are your equivalent extremists.. to the jews that what? blew the jewish religious horn? The first beatings were muslims against jews. If you think differently, then quote. There is even the shaw enquiry, you don't like it do you.
@jameshanley40 I already quoted from the Shaw report, it stated that the cause of the riots was:
"The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929."
What person just randomly leaves their house in the middle of the night without all their stuff... What really happen was that the Israeli military pushed them into exile in order to expand their illegal occupation of palestine.
The jewish man in the video explained it. That the arab sold the stuff. He said the arabs are legally not allowed to sell to jews. So they cannot be seen taking their stuff with them. and they use a cover story. If you want to believe he is a liar, without any investigation, then that is just your prejudice. It is known really.. arabs are like that. they are quite vocal about not buying israeli stuff. makes sense they can't be known to have sold property to jews and that some do.
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THE JEWISH CHRONICLE ONLINE
February 4, 2011
"BBC rows back on Louis Theroux publicity"
I wonder what are his views on white nationalists today?
Quex01 1 week ago
Theroux: "I wanted to show that the army was policing the Israeli extremists, and instead of just showing extremist views we could show that the ones reining them in were the Israeli military.
"But I think I overestimated that. They let settlers do what they want. I was shocked and disappointed by that. I didn't realise to what extent the state encouraged settlers."
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The BBC has had to backtrack after it sent out an incorrect publicity notice describing hard-line Zionists featured in a Louis Theroux film as "possibly the biggest threat to world peace today".
A BBC spokesperson said: "This billing for The Ultra Zionists did not reflect the programme accurately. As soon as the mistake was brought to our attention, we rectified the situation by replacing it with the correct billing."
Quex01 1 week ago
Atrocities justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities that are justified with lesser atrocities... just like racism.
Couldn't they just forgive and stop with the generalizations?
TheFinlandnator 1 month ago
Isn't Louis a jew too xD?
gangstervural 1 month ago
@gangstervural He's an atheist.
andyandcarl 1 month ago
@andyandcarl
Oh, but in the nazi episode he says he's jewish.
gangstervural 1 month ago
@gangstervural Yeah, he was kidding.
andyandcarl 1 month ago
@andyandcarl
Because he wanted to see how they respond to that? But that other skinheaded guy, Tom something, he said something about turkey burgers because Louis doesn't eat pork.
gangstervural 1 month ago
@gangstervural Yeah he was just trying to see what the skinhead said. Maybe because of his diet, but I know he's not jewish.
andyandcarl 1 month ago
@andyandcarl
Ah, okay. I believe you if you say so xD
gangstervural 1 month ago
@gangstervural Jews are considered an ethnic group, not a religious grop.
ClickForOutkast 2 weeks ago
@ClickForOutkast
But they can also count as a religious group, right?
gangstervural 2 weeks ago
@gangstervural I guess, I mean Israel is a secular state.
ClickForOutkast 2 weeks ago
@ClickForOutkast
Lol, okay.
gangstervural 2 weeks ago
What an arrogant, pompous arsehat. I feel ashamed to have the same accent as this dbag.
So the Palestinian family living there just magically disappeared? Or got an offer too good to refuse to move out? (Barrel of an assault rifle to the back of the head. Traditional Israeli diplomacy)
lastplacewin 1 month ago
Who the fuck would want to live in Israel when it's full of psychopaths like this guy
haribo687 1 month ago
well wait til you see what this guy says at the end of the doco.
extremist much?
rumadbro 1 month ago
Just last night, the IDF demolished illegal Jewish homes in the West Bank in the middle of the night. Yesterday, Hamas executed an Arab for collaborating with 'Zionists'. Palestinian human rights groups say they're very concerned about these continuing executions.
The BBC reports none of these things because it breaks the stereotypes their trying to reinforce.
Please pull your heads out of your asses (ie stop using the BBC/Western media as your only source of information).
givinitsome 1 month ago 5
@givinitsome Godspeed!
CrazyEddi3 1 month ago
There are two issues here: first is the large Arab guy shouting, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The Jewish guy is saying that Arabs who sell to Jews are punished by death.
That may be hard for others to appreciate because media such as the BBC never report such things. In Jordan it is part of the law: death for those who sell to Jews.
Later in the interview the Jewish guy says he won't discuss things further to protect the Arab family.
givinitsome 1 month ago
ok.. he was born in australia and he says that is his land??
pyllywaltteri 1 month ago 11
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This was orchestrated by the UN/UK/NWO during WW1 through a letter that stated "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object". This benefitted the antisemitic Nazi supporters in WW2 when USA, UK, Canada, Mexico and all middle eastern countries refused to accept Jewish Holocaust refugees who had to escape by occupying Jew-hating Palestine
hotpugsinthecity 1 month ago
Zionist filth
berguss22 2 months ago
That little Zionist deserves a bullet to the head.
DrStrangebomb1993 2 months ago
lier in islam u can sell to jews and eat wiv them and eat there meat its kosher.. u just can't sleep wiv em in the same house
freemasonxxx 2 months ago
get the fuck out of palestine
lovemunster 3 months ago
ISRAEL IS WRONG PEOPLE> ISRAEL MUST BE STOPPED> USA NEEDS TO STOP WELFARING THIS APARTHEID RACIST NIGHTMARE
msmoonshine11 3 months ago
What a weak, disgusting little man.
GentDaniel 3 months ago
Thanks god I rent my apartment. If somebody want to steal this it's ok for me :) I go to Thailand.
Sofisticated 3 months ago
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@caltrof THEY ALL ARE
HitchHikersBlues 3 months ago
SEEMS THERE IS SO MUCH HE CANT TALK ABOUT,I THINK ITS A GREAT IDEA FOR THE UN TO RECOGNISE palestine as a state,its a step torawrds two states at peace,am almost 30,all i have seen is this unever ending attrocite,its time for peace,Jews LET THE PALASTINIANS HAVE LAND TOO
tigerbeast777 3 months ago 3
Zionists are finished in the USA
aadrianlee 3 months ago
@aadrianlee HOW SO ?
HitchHikersBlues 3 months ago
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muslims should just stay in there homelands
uatch 3 months ago
Extreme Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the reasons for all this suffering and pain.... Makes me sad to watch this brainwashed people.
atat4 4 months ago 2
@atat4 Very true. The world's crazy, lol.
lewars1912 4 months ago
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@atat4 Well said it is indeed very sad.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
The arabs were forced out of the house that is obvious
Tomas21052 5 months ago 26
watching this doco (as an australian) and seeing how crazy this aussie is really scares me. The most hard lined Israelis seem to have Australian, Sth African and American accents! I have met 100s of Israelis around the world who are NOTHING like these guys!!!
nitekat007 5 months ago
@nitekat007
That's bull. I've lived in Israel for three months and they're all like that.
member5738 4 months ago
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this was has nothing to do with zionists, zionizem is gone from this world.
this is 100% religouse war.
i don't want this.
israelis and arabs can get along great, before the foundation of israel arabs and jews got along.
im ashamed, my whole family survived the hollacoast and got to see this filth, it's bad, and im sure my grandparents would of go back to Eu if they could, i certantly try to.
santaiswhite 5 months ago
this was has nothing to do with zionists, zionizem is gone from this world.
this is 100% religouse war.
i don't want this.
israelis and arabs can get along great, before the foundation of israel arabs and jews got along.
im ashamed, my whole family survived the hollacoast and got to see this filth, it's bad, and im sure my grandparents would of go back to Eu if they could, i certantly try to.
santaiswhite 5 months ago
@Winstonsees You re right... Its a shame but the worst is some organization called United Nations close his eyes to this
emanuelfonseca123 5 months ago 3
I saw it and ISRAEL must be shame of what some of their citizens!!!!
emanuelfonseca123 5 months ago
@GuyKornowski Thankyou for clearing that up, as an Aussie, please do not send him back he is all yours!
bubascary 5 months ago 3
Wow, it's almost as if the Israeli government intentionally wants the world to be as pissed off at them as possible. It's almost an art form.
MeteorPhoenix1127 6 months ago
I was watching this programme called "Beauty and the Geek Israel". One of the questions was about the Israelis "hoodwinking" the world about a certain issue. This was common knowledge - so much to the fact that even a girl who identified as a bimbo knew it.
There is so much bs-ing that is happening right now from the Israelis, and the US are too daft to realize they are funding a corrupt (albeit a smart) regime. Poverty and corruption do not always go hand in hand.
SuGaRuSh14 6 months ago
That guy is cringeworthy!
danapointg 6 months ago
The stuff of the arab family are not just left stupid zionist. Who would leave all his stuff. The Arabs are just forced to leave there houses
benbijvlagengeniaal 6 months ago 3
One should never make such broad generalizations anyway because they are pretty much always doomed to miss the real circumstances. While the very notion of nationalism is found on the idea that “the others” are different from “us” it’s far from accurate.
MoaiMaea 6 months ago
FREE PALESTINE
likklezee 7 months ago
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The Nazi victims became the Nazi oppressors! Humanity can be depressing indeed.
SuGaRuSh14 8 months ago 33
@SuGaRuSh14 so your saying jews are nazis
beardedgecko987 5 months ago 2
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@SuGaRuSh14 Absolutely wrong...the Jews did not shoot missiles at German civilians, never blew themselves up in German restaurants, never kidnapped German buses and soldiers and never voted for a organisation that says that they want to eliminate every single German and take their land away. The Jews cannot be made responsible for the Holocaust in any shape, way or form. The Palestinians however can be fully made responsible for Israels actions against them.
TaleOfValors 4 months ago
@TaleOfValors If somebody would walk in to your home and say It's mine now, would you not put up a fight with the intruder? That's what the Palestine people do.
MichaelMalmo 2 months ago 5
@MichaelMalmo If you sell your house first, then a few years later start to fire missiles at the new owner and want him to die, wouldn't the new owner have the right to defend himself? You just don't hear that in our left winged medias.
TaleOfValors 2 months ago
Life is going to get a lot more technical when this show actually airs.. "Some things we can talk about, some things we can't" doesn't fly when you're dealing with hostile people and dead bodies folks.
JustJinxed 8 months ago
I am going to have to say, I watched this after never really understanding why these ppl were fighting..Oh my This man Daniel the extremist is a nut job. Watching this episode I was actually suprised at how many times I cracked up laughing. Anyone or Any religion that cannot talk about things openly is obviously hiding the real truth of their actions. Daniel's ideology is evil almost and he seems to have mental issues as he derives a beastly pleasure from the suffering he's causing the Arabs
CateINherCAVE 8 months ago 3
2:07 Yes your right you disgrace for a human being, very right, you wont talk about your crimes and oppression but you can talk badly about Palestinians.
I fucking hate Zionism so much it had destroyed so many things.
j98765432123 9 months ago
Zionism is a dispicable political ideal and I feel ashamed my nation is allied to a nation that enforces it
bigderekkeene 9 months ago
@gorogawa
The idea of Jews hating Goyim has nothing to do with Zionism.. It's what Jew haters think about Judaism. And i've said nothing about hating non jews at all. As i've said, there are good ones and bad ones, jews and gentiles. The word Goyim is in the hebrew bible.. It's a neutral word, not derogatory. What are you reading that tells you about Jews hating Goyim.. That is not to do with Zionism, or Judaism, but it is the jew haters view of Judaism.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 I never said Jews hated Goyim. "has *nothing* to do with Zionism"?! The word Goyim is used in modern language by Zionists as a derogatory term. And if you need proof for that I'll be more than happy to provide you with it. And please try to contain all of your thoughts within the limit of one reply. Because it's hard to keep track of the conversation when you post multiple replies.
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Islammic scholars have academic texts against jews.. Like Sheikh Tantawi's 700 page thesis.. "the jews in the quran and traditions/sunnah". A Zionist rabbi recently wrote of when nations come and attack...so not just any non jew. So context is relevant. But more than that, what counts most is what is preached in synagogues or mosques. There are so many synagogues or schools accepting Zionism, I do not hear hatred of the goy.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
But in mosques , on arab tv, on british documentaries where they uncovered what goes on in islammic schools and mosques, they found this hatred.. MEMRI has tons of it non stop from arab tv.. of those Sheikhs. There was a drama on Syrian TV about jews drinking killing a boy and drinking his blood for passover. It's non stop propaganda.. preached to crowds.. That's preaching hatred. I only see it from the arabs. I don't mind some obscure text, but preaching hate is different.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
sorry wasn't quite possible to do it in one comment, did it in two!
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
@gorogawa
The fact is, you are talking from a position of complete ignorance, making a claim that requires either a)a survey or b)experience. I told you it's a neutral word, i've heard it used in lots of different contexts. Zionists, non zionists, it makes no difference. Like "Some Guy came up to me and threw a beer bottle at me". That's a kind of derogatory usage, whereas "The guy that delivers the papers", is neutral.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Zionist or not makes no difference, no jew, is going to say Oscar Schindler was not a goy.. Anyhow, jews aren't like muslims, jews don't expect everybody to learn the whole language, with muslims it's all news/docujmentaries, quran, hadith, tafsir, hijab, nikab, takfir, haram al sharif, salam, And their arabic names, all pronounced perfectly, sulayman. I've got on very well with muslims that knew me as a strong zionist, they weren't brainwashed like you into thinking i'd hate them.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
or maybe they were but they found out otherwise.
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bolius1 11 months ago
So now most of Israel is made up of jews from arab lands. Ultimately, Israel is important to all jews, jews became a nation in israel, developed their national language - hebrew - in Israel.. Had kings and prophets, in Israel.. Had the temple in Israel. So it's an important place for jews all over the world. Like saudi arabia and macca are to muslims.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
so still no invasion.The palestinian state of transjordan was created.. (the east bank). Arabs only lost their homes when they started a complete war.. but as I said, 150,000 remained and became citizens.Arabs lost homes again when they went to war again in 1967.Also There were loads of jews in the arab world, 800,000made into refugees, the arabs attacked them and most fled to israel I think many leaving property behind, and were not compensated. Hence JJAC(justice for jews from arab countries)
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
what the jewish guy said made sense, that it's dangerous for the arabs to be seen leaving with all that stuff, they may be attacked by arabs, because of the law the arabs have. We don't need to keep going over this. As I said , the program didn't look at the claims of each side, the evidence. It's just one man's word against anothers. And I do know the arabs there have a law that they can't sell to jews. It's not enough to decide one way or the other as you have and I haven't
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
This is not about race.I never said trust one over the other.I said there should be an investigation. You obviously believe that jews think they are superior.this is a common belief amongst people that believe jews have these terrible prejudices against gentiles.it is a common belief amongst those that hate jews, they may hate jews because they think jews believe arabs are inferior.If you believe that then you may well hate jews.Any Arab can become a jew and be 100% jewish.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
And if you were an anti-semite, believe me neither me, nor this man, are your victims.. So don't get too proud and start trumpeting about how people are your victims. Jews have been victims for 2000 years, have no desire to be victims anymore.. and finally have a state to defend themselves.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 The question is how did they get that state? Is killing other people and driving them out of their land and victimizing them is the only way to "defend their poor selves"? Are they not happy with the life in America and Europe? They already own and influence almost everything there, so why do they need to kill us?
By the way watch this:
watch?v=T1NLdRVkJiA
what do you have to say to that?
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
On the self defence question, the reality of self defense is that the person initiating violence, is met with violence. Israel did try the wall which successfully kept out suicide bombers and saved many many jewish/israeli lives and prevented many more from being maimed for life, in a completely non violent way. But then the arabs launched rockets and they place their military bases in arab civilian areas maximizing arab civilian casualties when Israel responds.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Furthermore, on the subject of self defence. Who the aggressor is. If Israel puts down its weapons, it'd be destroyed. If the arabs put down their weapons, there would be peace.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
If people attack you and try to drive you out in war, as arabs did to jews, then yes, the aggressor could be attacked back, and lose, incurr many casualties, the jews had 6000 casualties, 1% of the population.. it was a war they didn't want and didn't start. The arabs started it, and lost, and most arabs didn't stay and fight to the death. This is the unfortunate reality of self defence and war, do you have any better ideas if israel, the jewish state, wants to exist alive?
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
When the Ottoman Empire fell, and supported Germany in WW1, the Allies carved up the area and gave the arabs many lands and the jews one.Britain had a legal obligation to keep israel for it to be a jewish homeland.Churchill said, it is of right not of sufferance.. Some jews already lived in Israel and had done since long before islam.More came the jewish people became a nation in Israel, jews are the nation of Israel. Always have been.Like what Saudi Arabia and Macca is to Arabs.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
As to what you write of, the jewish power in america and europe controlling almost everything.. Jews couldn't have had that much power in europe, since 60% of the jewish community of europe was wiped out in the Holocaust. So I don't know what you think of jewish power there. There are some rich jews, but like rich arabs, they are just in it for themselves. Not for helping their people. Even jews themselves, most voted for Obama. Arabs are better in that sense.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
Besides the old jewish community there.. The jews started immigrating since 1880 did not come with weapons and steal homes, so it's not true at all to say they invaded. So if you ask how they got land, they came in, even in the ottoman empire, and arabs sold it to them. jews bought land. That was how it was at that time. Then the ottoman empire fell, many lands were given to arabs, and the British took over with the legal obligation to make it a jewish homeland, and more jews came in.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Maybe next time don't ask such a long question like "The question is how did they get that state?" Seriously!!! But now you know. So don't say they came and stole homes. They lost them in 1948 in a war they started. And still 150,000 stayed and were made citizens..
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 yeah well, dude. apparently you're blinded with your extremist Zionism and hatred towards Goyim. So i'm not discussing this with your sorry ass anymore.
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
No. So where do you get the idea of jews hating "goyim"? It's just in your mind that jews hate non-jews, so since you think that, I have no doubt that you hate jews.. Do you know what goyim means? you think it's racist, you think judaism is racist, you hate jews.. That's obvious.. I never said anything about hating goyim. I said that an arab can become a jew and be 100% jewish. Your other pro palestinian guy said similar things.. No wonder mein kampf is so popular with arabs..
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Your problem is really deeper than Zionissm. Your problem is you really believe jews think non jews are inferior. I said nothing of the sort, it's in your mind.. But it's quite clear to me now that you hate jews.. Now you're calling yourself a Goy, thinking it's derogatory, and thinking I even am talking to you in that sense or using that term.. You are a jew hater plain and simple. I hate jew haters, whether they're jewish, or goyim
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
There are good jews and bad jews.. good gentiles(or goyim), and bad ones.. Many gentiles are greater than jews, and vice versa. And you are a jew hater, who thinks terrible things of jews.. The fact that you are not jewish is not relevant to me. You think it is because you truly believe jews view non jews as inferior.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
I *am* saying that you believe he is a liar, and you trust the arab. This is true. And I am saying, as i've said, that you shouldn't just believe one side not the other, and it needs an investigation. The Arabs *DO* have a law that they cannot sell to jews. If jews had such a law, you and others would say it was racist.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
I did not say you were racist or anti-semitic. Funny how you accuse me of playing victim.. I'd like to see how that is. It is -you- that is playing victim pretending that you are being labelled anti-semitic or racist. I will point out now, that anti-semites do tend to do that. In addition, you've said "that Jewish guy is a liar" "I don't believe him for a second". I'm not saying you're an anti-semite.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
You DO assume that the jew is a liar. He said, the arabs have a law, and if jews had such a law, people say it's racist. The Arabs have a law that they cannot sell to jews. It makes perfect sense that they cannot go out carrying a bunch of stuff. I suspect that what the jewish man is saying is true, and that if what the arab said was true, then the courts would have dealt with it. I would think in an investigation you'd see that. I know the arabs have such a law.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
Under the British, the arabs(not necessarily palestinian) owned most of 30%. The British owned 70%. I suppose you think the British stole that 70% from the Arabs.. Do you have evidence of who owned what land before then?
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
If you say there are no jewish refugees from arab lands, well, you're denying history. They are still fighting for justice. There is the JJAC - justice for jews from arab countries. And regarding land, do you have evidence that palestinians owned all the land and the british stole it? It could've been owned mostly by the ottoman empire. What evidence do you have?
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@AnimePhreak786
I am not justifying a person 'stealing a person's house and placing other people in there when the family goes out for an outing' The australian jewish guy said it was sold. The arab guy said they went out for a wedding and it was taken. You just naturally assume that the jew is a liar, and the arab is telling the truth. You shouldn't assume that. It'd need an investigation to find out, and the program didn't investigate it.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@AnimePhreak786
I am not justifying a person 'stealing a person's house and placing other people in there when the family goes out for an outting' The australian jewish guy said it was sold. The arab guy said they went out for a wedding and it was taken. You just naturally assume that the jew is a liar, and the arab is telling the truth. You shouldn't assume that. It'd need an investigation to find out, and the program didn't investigate it.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
and in the process of that war, there were 800,000 jews in arab lands, made into refugees, thrown out from arab lands where they'd lived since even before islam, even before there were "arabs" there. Their land and property was stolen. But they picked themselves up..remade their lives, and with no compensation from the world
jameshanley40 11 months ago
This is why you should give Your opinion, and not just quote people. You are clearly implying that you agree with Ben Gurion. Arabs should not make peace.. If you don't agree, then don't play games. Of course it's an amusing quote, you wolly. It's BG saying he'd go to war if he was arab. Very good. Maybe you agree and would go to war. The Arabs clearly go to war, and won't accept any Israel. That is the truth of the matter.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
"an amusing quote"
" Let's say Ben Gurion believes!!!!!!"
Just who do you think David Ben-Gurion was?!?!?!?
"Arabs only lost land when they attacked Israel"
"do you think Arabs should annihilate Israel".
I thought we were having an adult discussion, but now I'm done.
Arabs and Jews need to respect eachother and respect History. If you cannot see the sense of injustice felt by disenfranchised Arabs or even acknowledge it as Ben-Gurion, the pragmatist, did then there is no point.
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
What the hell are you thinking. Obviously I know who Ben Gurion is you wolly. Do you want me to quote arafat "Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian
people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them."" Don't just throw a quote. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
If you want to AGREE with Ben Gurion's quote, that arabs should not make peace, then that seems to be your point. WAR! Nobody is saying that jews or arabs have not suffered.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
1956, Ben-Gurion stated: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country ... There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance".
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
an amusing quote but your point is?That jews stole the land from the arabs?arabs sold land to jews. Arabs only lost land when they attacked israel on its foundation. Let's say Ben Gurion believes arabs should not make peace and that arabs should annihilate israel. OK So do U think that Arabs should not make peace, and should try to annihilate Israel?And more important than you, do Arabs think that. Because if they do,then that is the real reason why there cannot be peace
jameshanley40 11 months ago
so to summarize a)it's a mischaracterization to say religious book says your land. Israel is the basis for the jews being a nation. it's the birthplace of the jewish nation and language. b)zionist founders and leaders were not religious c)what bothers the arabs, is a jewish state of any size. With or without religious jews in judea. They have a big state, it is called jordan. Jordan is the east bank. it is just as much palestine as the rest. That at least is a natural border.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
the british were supposed to be (guarding?) that land ottoman south syria. east and west jordan, as the jewish homeland. those were part of the terms of the mandate, agreed by the League of nations. So they should have been zionist. Do you have a link about the 400 figure?
jameshanley40 11 months ago
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to jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
davidgraves346 11 months ago
to jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@justincaseywhy look at death with one eye, it is not easy to find out much information about Postwar Palestine but 400 British Squaddies and policemen were murdered by The Lehi, The Stern gang and the Irgun as well as the British Envoy Lord Moyne and Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN envoy who'd helped rescue thousands from Concentration camps. How?
listening to this zealot, whom one would trust as far as you could throw him, you can start to understand how scarey obeying "Gods word" can be.
davidgraves346 1 year ago
@davidgraves346
@davidgraves346
Except that the Lehi, Stern, Irgun, were not religious. Also, where do you get the 400 figure? What has this jewish man in the video said that was scary? If you listen to the content of what he is saying, he is saying that the Israeli Government is covering for the arab/arab family, to prevent arabs from killing the arab/arab family. The arabs have a law that they can't sell to jews. Also, the americans faught the british..
jameshanley40 11 months ago
The jews were fighting a british force that was blocking immigration when european jews needed it most Prior to and during the holocaust.The jews needed a jewish state more than anything, zionism is right about that.So I could understand them fighting the british,who I think also turned away ships of jewish refugees. And installed haj amin al husseini in power.Fortunately the british left in time to save 800,000jews from arab lands that were chased out.But not in time to save jews of europe
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 the groups Lehi, Stern and Irgun were not religious?
How do you divorce Zionism from religion!?!
That is totally untennable.
The 400 figure is from British Governement figures and includes British Policemen, the figure was not easy to obtain and had to be compiled from contemporaneous documents. the figures were not made public at the time even through questions in Parliament, the then Labour Govt,. being understandably (if misguidedly) sympathetic to the Zionist cause.
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
Perhaps you really don't know about Zionism. Theodore Herzl was secular. The zionist's movements founders and leaders were not religious jews. It was based on jewish history and a response to 2000 years of jew hatred so instead of living as a persecuted minority unable to defend themselves, they would have their own state. Why israel was special to them is an interesting question, but they were not religious and not following any divine order.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 there are secular Zionists, who may stress historical links over religious ones but what is judaism a nationality or a religion.
the programme was about Ultra zionists, the guy speaking here and others interviewed stated, time and again, that it was their birthright to occupy this land, in fact it was their duty, because "they are chosen people".
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
Look if you study canaanite religion, and you see this in israelite religion too, they have a story about different gods choosing different peoples. I think each people had a land too.. The jewish people are also known as the nation of israel, they were born in that land, they are a nation because of israel, and have maintained their nationalistic aspects, language, religion, throughout exile, and the jews in israel maintained it too.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 Why talk of Jew hatred, there was largely peace between Arab and Jewish neighbours in Palestine until Zionists arrived in numbers that could neither be controlled or managed. The more radical elements carried out the murder of Lord Moyne Folke Bernadotte (Yitzhak Shamir took part) and British troops. The problem became a racial one, the British withdrew arabs were disenfranchised, don't belive me here is what David Ben Gurion said
davidgraves346 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
Jews only started fighting to defend themselves, after arabs attacked them in the 20s and the british govt of the time didn't keep the peace by protecting the jews from them. Instead, putting haj amin al husseini in power and restricting immigration so as to appease the arabs. Many thousands(10,000s? 100,000s? more?) jewish lives would've been saved had they scrapped that policy and let jews in. Anyhow, when the Ottomans ruled, the arabs were fighting them.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@davidgraves346
Hebrew is more ancient than arabic. Ultimately, the arabs have a problem with jews ruling that land. Religious or not. So to say it's religious jews in judea that are the problem, is silly.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
Why does this little turd live in Israel, not Australia where he was born and Jews have a good life?
KreepyKrawly 1 year ago 22
@KreepyKrawly
you talk about little jewish turds, why don't the little "palestinian" turds CONTINUE to live in america and canada where they were born.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@KreepyKrawly Haha what has made you think he has a bad life? Jeez.
MrKatiemetliss 10 months ago
@KreepyKrawly Because he is a criminal loser that steals the Palestinians land
MrDavidmarkarian 8 months ago
@KreepyKrawly i watched this documentary, this asshole doesnt even live in israel he lives in an illegal settlement just outside it
ParadeofCrows 7 months ago
@KreepyKrawly You dont understand that Israel is the place of the Jews and it's our holy land. It's worth living there.
SlashKidGuitar 6 months ago
people riot because you are oppressing them
fleamarket3000 1 year ago 17
@fleamarket3000 yeah, that and the fact that THEY STOLE THEIR FRIKKIN' LAND!
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
The arabs there "palestinians" only lost the land when the other arabs went to war and while they managed to kill 6000 jews, they lost the war, and many arabs there ran rather than fight to the death in the war that they started, and those ones became refugees.The ones that stayed,(150,000 !!)did not lose their land. They became israeli arabs. Lesson, you try to kill somebody and throw them off their land,then you might not succeed in your muderous plans, and might lose your land.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 Excuse me? Are you saying that the Arabs started a war out of the blue against Jews, just like that, in an already existing state called "Israel"? Because that's too much crap even for April's fools day! You need to check your facts, dude!
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
no i'm not saying it was out of the blue, i'm not saying it was without reason. Their reason was and is, that they didn't and don't want a jewish state at all. You may or may not think they were justified in going to war and killing 6000 jews in that war, and in wanting israel's destruction and trying to this day. What I am saying, is how they lost the land. If you say jews came and stole it, you're not being honest.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 There were some Jews living in an independent state called Palestine, and yes, the Zionists invaded it coming from Britain. Saying otherwise and ignoring facts is blatant lying. You keep saying that "6000 Jews were killed" which I'm not sure that's true, because that was a war against the invading Zionists and not innocent Jewish civilians in Palestine. Do not blame people for not wanting a state to be created on a land they own as an independent country. Hello! Occupation much?!
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
The arabs didn't own most of te land.. most of the land was owned by Britain, And there were no palestinians ruling there. never has been. That doesn't mean they had no right to live there. I don't know whether the arabs should have said they don't want jews to rule any land.. The Arabs didn't rule that land under the ottoman empire. In fact the arabs faught the ottomans. They killed jews 'cos they wanted power over all the land with no jewish state at all.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 Oh .. my .. GOD! I'm sorry, but I can't continue to argue with you because it seems to me that you're just trying to irritate me.
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
you're going to have to not get emotional and use your brain, and not put words into my mouth. Perhaps you are saying they are justified in going to war in 1948 and killing 6000 jews, and in continuing to dream of wiping israel out. Arabs still believe they are justified, that's why there cannot be peace.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@jameshanley40 see? right there. that's what I meant by "irritating". there's nothing i hate more than someone trying to tell me an obvious lie and expecting me to believe it. sorry, but this will be my last reply to you and i hope you wouldn't be so childish as to try and put words in my mouth and making me look like an anti-Semite. oh, btw, i am Semitic but that doesn't affect my opinion on israel. truth must be told.
gorogawa 11 months ago
@gorogawa
What is it that you think is the "obvious lie"? I am not trying to make you look like anything. It is a common belief, that the arabs are justified in their wars against israel. I don't know whether you believe they are or not. I'm not saying it's anti-semitic to believe it. I suppose there's a good question there, if somebody supports that, are they an anti-semite, I don't know, perhaps sometimes at least, but i'm not saying you are.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
If somebody has a fact wrong, it may be accidental.. For example, when you said about their being "an independent state called Palestine", that's an incorrect fact. But I wouldn't necessarily say you are a liar, doing it intentionally.. You may just not be aware of the facts. The area was part of the Ottoman Empire, and not independent. And then they lost it,. And the British took over, for it to be a jewish homeland.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
Nobody other than you refers to it under the British or Ottomans, as an independent palestinian state. I wouldn't necessarily call you a liar as you call me. Perhaps you just don't know the facts.. But why don't you show me what fact you think I have wrong? Where i'm "lying". And regarding you being a semite, you're right it doesn't affect your view, you could for example be an israel hating arab, or a pro israel jew, or a self hating jew.or anything,I do not bring up your ethnicity
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
When the Arabs attacked the jewish state to wipe it out, in 1973, on Yom Kippur, a fast day, they chose that day because jews hadn't eaten for a long time and were physically not strong.. it was a very cowardly tactic, do you believe this was right? If you really feel that to say Yes would make you an anti-semite, then why can't you say No? The truth is that they don't think it's wrong, and the only thing they regret is not succeeding.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
it's a time when jews are in the synagogue a lot and praying and not eating.. so would you think like the arabs, that attacking then is a good thing?
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@gorogawa
the arabs were living on their land, and jews came bought land and lived on the land they bought nobody was throwing anybody else off of land. when the arabs started massacring jews in the 20s, and jews responded, the arabs still had their land, and the jews theirs. When the arabs went to war, most of the arab "palestinians"(arabs living there) left in the war, didn't fight to the death.. Some stayed, and israel made them citizens.
jameshanley40 11 months ago
@Justincasey2
And the western wall is judaism's holiest site. Do you think jews blowing the shofar at the western wall, is a reason to massacre jews?
(by the way, what makes you think that if a source is a leftist israeli politician it is better than a palestinian politician? you anti israel leftists think that if a source is jewish or israeli and conforms to your prejudices, e.g. norman finkelstein, it's superior)
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 How many times to i have to say it? The 1929 Palestinian riots were ignited by right wing Jewish extremist who went to the Western Wall shouting "the Wall is ours" and attacking local residents. That is what sparked the riots. I guess your ideological blinker must be filtering out information that contradicts your narrative of events.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
@Justincasey2
You have not shown a source of any jews attacking local residents, and you keep saying it and giving no source for it. And if you hadn't noticed, The Wall is the last remaining Wall of the ancient jewish temple. Built by jews and the focal point of jewish prayer and nobody else's prayer, for millenia. And if jews say it is theirs it's a problem for you, then they are extremists, and should be massacred?
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 Again i am simple stating that it was Jewish extremists that ignited the Palestinian riots, and remember, it wasn't just Jews who died.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
The shaw report says "The outbreak in Jerusalem on 23 August was from the beginning an attack by Arabs on Jews for which no excuse in the form of earlier murders by Jews has been established."
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 And AGAIN from the Shaw report:
"In our opinion the immediate causes of the outbreak were:-
1.The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929."
Are you not able to comprehend that it was zionist Jews who were the cause of the riots?
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
Stop copy/pasting the exact same thing and ignoring the issue I am bringing up.And by the way,if you read a paragraph above it,you read what they describe the "fundamental cause"to be.Obviously if it hadn't been jews blowing the shofar outside the jewish holy site that "upset" the supreme muslim council causing them to burn bible scrolls and beat jews,itd have been something else.eg jews putting up a partition for prayer at the wall.It wasnt jews attacking muslims like you claimed.
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
I asked you for a source for your claim, that "right wing extremist jews" or any jews attacked muslims and that ignited it. You clearly made it up.And no quoting of the shaw report backs up your claim. And there is a bigger question here. The question of Did the jews deserve to be massacred? My answer is No. What is your answer? And you say arabs diedWhat arabs died in the 1929 Hebron massacre and how? -source-
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40: In case you didn't notice, you're trolling. Please stop.
sleepcity 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
There is a book by Uri Milstein, that goes into detail about history pre 1948, is complete and includes coverage of arab atrocities.. I can't comment on those ones you mention. But what is your source for Brit Habirionim instigating the 1929 riots? That sounds absolutely absurd. There was a british enquiry into the hebron incident called the Shaw Report No jews instigated that at all. And the group you mention is not mentioned.
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 The shaw report also states:
In our opinion the immediate causes of the outbreak were:-
1.The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 Brit Habirionim were part of the hundreds of zionist Jews that marched to the Western Wall shouting "the Wall is ours" and attacking local residents. This is what ignited the 1929 riots, which spilled over into Hebron.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
what is your source?
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 I used your source - Wikipedia.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
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@Justincasey2
If you used wikipedia, and said "The 1929 Hebron riots were ignited by right wing Jewish extremists called Brit Habirionim" What are the quotes from wikipedia you wrote that led you to that? Wikipedia says Brit Habirionim were "active between 1930 and 1933" Obviously that is after the 1929 riots. Wikipedia in describing their actions doesn't have them beating or killing anybody. Yet they are your "right wing jewish extremists".
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 "There are many who are unaware that the 1929 riots [in Hebron] were sparked, like the Al Aqsa Intifada, by the actions of a gang of right-wing extremists that called itself Brit Habirionim. The Birionim broke into the Western Wall area in the days leading to Yom Kippur and blew the shofar. Word then got around that the Jews want to get to the Temple Mount & destroy the Al Aqsa mosque. That's the way the riots and massacres started."
-Shulamit Aloni, Israeli politician.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 Abba Ahimeir, the founder of Brit Habirionim was a self confessed fascists, so yes, i would describe them as right wing Jewish extremists.
Justincasey2 1 year ago
@Justincasey2
What of the muslim supreme council that marched towards jews beat them and burnt bible scrolls and "pages of" prayer books. They are your equivalent extremists.. to the jews that what? blew the jewish religious horn? The first beatings were muslims against jews. If you think differently, then quote. There is even the shaw enquiry, you don't like it do you.
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 I already quoted from the Shaw report, it stated that the cause of the riots was:
"The long series of incidents connected with the Wailing Wall... These must be regarded as a whole, but the incident among them which in our view contributed most to the outbreak was the Jewish demonstration at the Wailing Wall on 15 August 1929."
Justincasey2 1 year ago
What person just randomly leaves their house in the middle of the night without all their stuff... What really happen was that the Israeli military pushed them into exile in order to expand their illegal occupation of palestine.
Blucitrus00 1 year ago
@Blucitrus00 Thank you for mentioning these facts.
BadRemixes 1 year ago
@Blucitrus00
The jewish man in the video explained it. That the arab sold the stuff. He said the arabs are legally not allowed to sell to jews. So they cannot be seen taking their stuff with them. and they use a cover story. If you want to believe he is a liar, without any investigation, then that is just your prejudice. It is known really.. arabs are like that. they are quite vocal about not buying israeli stuff. makes sense they can't be known to have sold property to jews and that some do.
jameshanley40 1 year ago
and that's an arab law discriminating against jews.
jameshanley40 1 year ago