to be honest krs 1 free style was very basic i thought it was the worst one, he's last verse with the nike check was real weak i expected a lot more...
WOW @ Dj Premier "Nikki Minaj UMM , and crown royla , and um,,,, umm.... buckshot., n ummmm....... ummmm... HOW CAN YOU FORGET THE BEST MAN JOE BUDDEN! n if i misspelled the 3 artist name idc i dont listen to em !
DISCOGRAPHY: he has 3/7 solid albums so that doesn't work
LYRICS: He isn't the same lyrically and hasn't made any progress with lyrics recently
FLOW: His flow's stale and used up now, i actually can't stand Em's flow these days, because it's so predictable
BREATH CONTROL: He's fine when it comes to breath control
TECHNIQUE: Along with his flow, his whole technique on how to attack a track is all fucked up. He doesn't have the same intensity that he did have during the MMLP years
@Maradonarules10 It seems em's just doing this for himself nowadays. He says whatever comes to mind and doesnt think about whether it sounds dope or not. I agree with most of what you said but if anything, he's clearer and more direct when it comes to delivering his messages.
@pnoftw Haha, one of my favorite artists is Canibus... What now? Also, just because i say that Recovery was shit doesn't mean i don't respect him.. well after Encore, i really did lose all respect for him, but MMLP was a def. Classic. Infinite was crazy to. He sold out.. so wanna stop riding him like i ride your mom every night?
@pnoftw I feel sorry that you worship this Pop Sellout's dick. Eminem isn't good anymore. Live with it. He's a fucking sell out. Years ago in an interview he was dissing pop and said that he would never resort to it. Now what's he doing?.... Collabo's with Lil' wayne, Rihanna and Pink.. Keep it classy you fucking cracka.
@Maradonarules10 Lol Lil Wayne pop? Cmon now dont ride the undergrounds dick so hard... I dont like Em's latest album either but it is lyrically on point so i mean i fail to see your point here. Nigger? And im not even racist
@pnoftw You're a fucking dumbass. How is lil' wayne not pop? The nigga uses autotune. And wtf do you mean riding underground dick. I support GOOD MUSIC, mainstream, underground, old school WHATEVA. Nas isn't underground, lupe isn't. I still love those dude's. How was Recovery "lyrically on point?" Not Afraid might have been one of the corniest songs i've heard till date. So shut the fuck up and do your homework.
@Maradonarules10 You're too literal with your thinking, when Eminem disses pop he's dissing the subject manner and lame producing. It's always some feminine looking dude singing about some girl he likes. Recovery had pop singers as guest stars, but that was only to sing hooks not to change the whole song. His wordplay is stronger than ever and his subject matter is a lot more mature if you ask me, drug addiction, Proof's death, violent relationships, suicide. Em is growing up, simple as that.
@Slugg44 Really? Recovery and Relapse were pieces of shit. Em started sucking dick after Eminem Show. His lyrics are stale. Subject matter and lyrics are two different things. Take pac and big for example. Pac's subject matter was ahead of his time. Deep and emotional, but his lyrics weren't up to par. On the other hand even though BIG's subject matter wasn't as layered as pac's, his lyricism was untouchable. Eminem's subject matter and lyrics are corny as fuck now. Simple as that.
@Maradonarules10 lol yu must be a dumbass if yu think his lyrics are stale. every swingle song off recovery is full of double entendres and relapse is rhyming crazy shit with storytelling to go along with it. shut the fuck up if yu dont have a clue with what yur talkin bout.
@cardkings94 Nigga, this is the problem with die hard Eminem fans and shit.. They're all so up his crack they can't see the fucking light of day. Y'all don't see that eminem doesn't rhyme like he used to. Compare "My Name Is" to "Not Afraid". One was a fucking amazing track with assonance and crazy multi's. The other is a corney piece of sellout dick. That pretty much sums up that white boy's career.
@Maradonarules10 lol not even close to a die hard Em fan. and no shit My Name Is is better but Not Afraid has some double entendres in it. if Dre produced Recovery everyone would think its a classic but the producers made it sound pop. do yu even know what the fuck a double entendre is?
@cardkings94 HAHAHA the day someone corrects me about my knowledge of the fucking music. A double entendre is like a word with a double meaning.. used commonly in punchlines. And just because something has "some double entendres" doesn't make it a good song. Not Afraid was a fucking piece of shit. It was a sorry excuse for a song. It was the corniest thing i've heard Em spit in a while. Don't fucking blame production for making something sound pop. His lyrics were stale in his last 3/4 albums.
@Maradonarules10 so if that song was an acapella it would still be a pop song. thats what yur saying. lol stale, yur a dumbass. ill take yur opinoin into consideration when yu talk about more than just one song on the album. eminems writing is at its best right now. his lyrics arent but his writing is. define ''stale'' as well. because if yur gonna say no meaning id love to prove yur dumbass wrong. listen to "Fast Lane" by Bad Meets Evil and then come talk to me about ''stale''
@Maradonarules10 alls i see on this video is yu bitching how not afraid was corny and hes a sell out. honestly yu put up the shittiest argument cuz yu dont do shit to back it up. "not afraid was corny his lyrics are stale, his past 3 albums sucked". same shit every comment just stfu
@cardkings94 Hahaha. Okay then.. please.. you explain to me what was so great about any of Eminem's last three albums lyrically.. Don't worry.. I'll wait. You mad?
@Maradonarules10 encore was just funny ass shit to just bump cuz thats when he was on his pills n shit. relapse was hardcore shady and crazy rhyming and story telling like Stay Wide Awake, Beautiful, etc. Underground was a dope ass track lyrically period. and in Recovery his double entendre, metaphor game was at its best. his flow was insane on You're Never Over, Won't Back Down, 25 To Life, and No Love. Cinderella man had like 10 double entendres in that song itself. 2nd verse 25 to life LISTEN
@cardkings94 Hahahahahaha. All the shit you said is just fucking wrong. You're honestly giving credit to that white boy's worst line of work. Obviously you don't know hip hop. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and don't know what an MC at his best sounds like. What's next? You gonna say Blueprint was Jay Z's best album? lmao. See, it because of sellouts like eminem, and stupid ass fans like you that this fucking music is going straight to the shitter.
@Maradonarules10 please tell me how it is wrong. eminem 95-03 is when he was at his best. he still a great rapper. dont know what the fuck im talkin about? yu have yet to prove any points besides not afraid was corny. listen to Fast Lane with Royce and Em just came out last week. yu put up shitty ass arguements yu dumb mother fucker.
@cardkings94 How is this a shitty argument? Can you not see the difference between him back then and him now? It's not fucking rocket science to see that his lyrics have degressed and are much more watered down. He doesn't talk about real shit anymore and can't convey his point across to the audience with a witty touch like he used to. He may have some songs here and there, but that really doesn't prove shit. you wanna ride his dick, fine, go ahead. But you can't deny the fact that he's done.
@Maradonarules10 define real shit."my potatoes are baked homie,the veggies on my plate can fly, my filet is smokin weed, ya faggot the steaks are high","stick my dick in the circle but im not fuckin around, ill show yu pussy footin, ill kick a bitch in the cunt til it makes her queef and sounds like a fuckin whoopie cushion","i dont rap about dead presidents, id rather see the president dead, never been said but i set precedence","yu can still get roasted cuz marsh is not mellow<--hes still good
Personally i grew up listening to old school hiphop and nas and eminem are in my top 5 dead or alive bt i honestly believe nas is a better lyricist than em,his works are thought provoking,they acually make u listen and think and he speaks d truth,saying no one is on eminems level is a stupid statement and there is no fuckin best rapper alive!!!real mcs have said that over nd over again,nas said it,so also did eminem,nd there r too many em dickriders on net
@toluwanimiogunleye there are too many Nas Dickriders on the Net! YOu talk about EM dickriders but you are also guilty of that fact cause you are commenting on EMINEM LMAO! Think before you make your comments cause you disproved your last statement and really riding both artists jocks.. nuff said!
Nah man i dnt think you understand me, what i was trying to say is that they both great artists and im a fan of them both, appreciating their works don't make me a dickrider,and if you want to be honest eminem has more dickriders than nas
@toluwanimiogunleye - I feel what you're saying but at the same time, saying Nas is better than Em contradicts your original comment. I don't think Eminem and Nas can be compared simply bc they are revered for two completely different things. Nas is more into substance and making thought provoking shit that makes you think while Em focuses more on structure and the way a verse is put together. Em is one of the best at putting words together. They are both great in their own right.
@kngjames83 well said man,your quite right,I respect your opinion,They both legends,personally I prefer thought provoking people but its all got to do with preference and other people may prefer structure but its all good,Them dudes keep hiphop alive
Right! Not sayin' that I lean towards one more than the other. I usually like a even dose of lyrical skill and substance. But I agree Nas and Eminem are two of the all time greats.
@kngjames83 Nahh man, Nas Yes. But Eminem No. Eminem started his career of like a legend with SSLP and MMLP, Eminem show was Aiight, and then it just went downhill from there. He's no longer a legend. Real Talk, no hate.
@Maradonarules10 - You're entitled to your opinion but Recovery was the shit!! Now say what you want about Em no longer being a legend or whatever that's your opinion, but he has more than earned his place in that conversation bc very few are better on the mic than him. He was going thru his shit and may have put out some sub par albums after the Eminem Show, but even the most casual of rap fans would say that he made up for that with Recovery. Now if you can't respect that, you are hating!
@kngjames83 Lol, it's not hating when it makes sense. Compare MMLP to Recovery. If you can't see that Recovery was a piece of shit compared to MMLP then you're deaf, or just so up Eminem's ass hole you can't see the light of day. Another thing that i actually HATE about Eminem is his hypocrisy. I saw one of his interviews and he was downplaying Pop music saying it's stupid and how he's never do it. Who's he signing with now? Rihanna, Lil' Wayne, Pink. Yea. Way to go there.. stupid ass whiteboy.
@Maradonarules10 - Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion. It would be foolish for me to sit here and try to argue that bc it clearly sounds like you have some kinda personal issue with Em. I will leave by saying that the proof is in the music bro. It's on you whether you decide to ignore it. Em has had 4 very good albums and 2 not soo good ones, his mic skills are superior to many, yet you focus on his pop image and the fact that he's white. C'mon dude!!!
@kngjames83 You're taking this in the wrong way. I totally respect your opinion, and how you like him, that's all good, you could listen to that faggot lil' wayne for all i care. All i'm saying is he fell off. You know it and i know it. You can hear it in his music. The dude's not as good as he used to be and thats the truth. Recovery and Relapse is not the best of his potential and he's gone mainstream, and is really making some corny shit now days. I don't hate him. I've just lost respect.
@Maradonarules10 - YOU hear it in his music, I don't! I hear evolution, I hear a artist that has grown, I hear a MC who is STILL lyrically better than 90% of these niggas spitting today. And for the record, Eminem has been mainstream for a while now. Nothing about his mass appeal has changed since the Marshall Mathers LP. You are clearly reaching looking for any reason to dislike Em but your opinion is your opinion. I guess the only problem with that is everyone has one.
@kngjames83 Holy fuck, you must be a failed abortion or something. Can you not tell the difference between MMLP and Relapse/Recovery? If you can't then shit, you're on your own, i can't have discussions with dude's that are so far up Eminem's ass hole they can't see the light of day. For example: I'm the biggest Rakim fan (if you've heard of him), I think he's the greatest to bless the mic. But i know for a fact, his newest album is a humongous step down from his days with Eric B. I accept it.
@Maradonarules10 - Lmao, it's funny how when someone don't agree with you niggas start resorting to hostility. Look dude, for the sake of this argument, Elzhi (if you've heard of him) is my favorite MC, so me acknowledging that Em has skills has nothing to do with me being a Eminem stan or having my head up his ass or any of that non sense. You're acting as though I said Recovery is his greatest work. I acknowledged that MMLP and Eminem Show imo is his best work.
@Maradonarules10 - But as a fan of HIP HOP, I can admit that Eminem is still a VERY skilled lyricist. Any soo called hip hop enthusiast should be able to admit to that. I never blasted you for your opinion, my only problem with you and your comments is that your reasoning for not liking Eminem seems to be more personal and not based on skills. Recovery, to me, doesn't compare to Em's best work, but it was still dope! Once again that is my opinion so I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
@kngjames83 ... k listen. I have no problem with him personally. I do think he is a hypocrite but when i listen to music, unless they're a fucking KKK member or some shit. I don't give a fuck. All i care about is the music. Not the fame, glory, look, ect.. And in the end. His music had a huge decline in terms of quality for the past 3-4 albums, therefore making him a bore and now "just another average MC". FINAL, no more.
@kngjames83 And btw, if eminem was such a "skilled Lyricist" he wouldn't have gotten his ass tossed by Canibus. A dude like Canibus can literally kill Eminem. If it were Eminem back in 100% form (like in the MMLP days) then i have no idea who would win
PS I'm basing this 100% on the songs going back and forth between the two. If you listen, Canibus is destroying eminem. Eminem's shitting the bed, let's face it, he's gotten waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too soft.
@Maradonarules10 - Ok. Cool. You win! Is that what u wanna hear??? Canibus is one of the few lyricist I would put in Eminem's stratosphere so bringing him into the argument for the sake of winning the argument is clearly reaching on your behalf. It is also VERY debatable who actually won that "battle" depending on who you ask but I won't get into that bc arguing opinion is pointless here.
@Maradonarules10 - You said you think Eminem is a "hypocrite" for whatever reason so that right there lets me know u can't seriously listen to Eminem without some bias. Has Em's albums taken a bit of a decline since Eminem Show? Sure! Especially Relapse. But as a true fan of Hip Hop I still found art in those albums. 3 A.M. on Relapse, which was conceptually not all that good, was still beautifully written and there was still a complexity to his rhyming that's unmatched by many!
@Maradonarules10 - I still fell Recovery was solid conceptually and lyrically. Now that's my opinion and i'll take it to my grave lol. Em has fallen off a little but he's still a very skilled lyricist, far from average!
@Maradonarules10 - Everytime I have this argument with someone I think of Nas and Illmatic. Nas was never able to touch Illmatic lyrically so a lot of ppl said he's fallen off. That's not it at all. You niggas just didn't understand his growth and evolution as a MC. That same thing is very evident here bc you keep comparing Relapse and Recovery to MMLP! Holding artists to a certain standard prevents you from appreciating anything they've done since then. Keep that in mind bro.
@kngjames83 That's understandable, but now you're comparing Illmatic to MMLP. Hear me out. Even though Nas couldn't touch Illmatic NO ONE COULD CAN OR PROBABLY EVER WILL. In a way you're kind of taking it out of context. Illmatic is on God's fucking Ipod. And even though he couldn't drop another bomb like it, his music was still amazing : God's Son, It Was Written, Hip Hop Is Dead, Untitled**, Street's Disciple, and Stillmatic are still amazing records.
@kngjames83 But when you're talking about an MC like Eminem, MMLP was a great album, but it wasn't no illmatic. Off the top of my head, recent records that are IMO as good as MMLP: Only Built For Cuban Linx... pt. 2, Madvillainy, Let's get Free, How I Got Over, The Fix, and if i think and look at my discog on my Ipod, i can probably name more. I have nothing against Eminem, it's just instead of moving forward, eminem took a step back in terms of lyrics. It's different with nas ILLMATIC=UNTOUCHED
@Maradonarules10 - In no way am I comparing Illmatic and MMLP, just simply sayin' the situation is comparable. You believe that MMLP was Eminem's best and nothing he's done since then comes close to that. Well a lot of Nas fans i've encountered over the years believe that same thing about Nas. Nas has had maybe the same amount of critically acclaimed albums as Eminem has so they are more similar than you seem to think.
@Maradonarules10 - But just like I don't feel Eminem has Digressed, I don't think Nas has lost a step either. It's all about preference at the end of the day tho. I still feel Nas is a more skilled lyricist bc he's second only to the great Rakim in my book, you are sleepin' pretty hard on Eminem. But hey, maybe we hear music two completely different ways. Can't imagine anyone with two fully functional ears not being able to hear that Em is STILL a very skilled lyricist.
@kngjames83 It's not that he isn't a skilled lyricist anymore. He's just not at his potential and when an MC isn't at his best, i won't listen. Bottom line: Even though you can compare nas and eminem's situations; Nas has had quality album after quality album {minus I am... and Nastradamus (SP)} while on the other hand Eminem's just been dropping mockery after mockery of albums. Relapse was terrible and Recovery was terrible I don't see why it's so hard to accept it. He's not the same.
@Maradonarules10 - Well I just brought Nas into this as an example. I've always held Nas at a higher regard than Eminem so i'm not arguing who's better. But at the same time, if a artist stays true to the art form (which Eminem does on every album regardless of the content of his music) I can find quality in the music. What Em can do with a 16, whether he's rapping about killing his wife or slapping his mom, is unmatched imo. U gotta respect that whether you feel what he's rapping about or not.
@kngjames83 And to be honest, i've never been an eminem fan from the beginning, but i always had respect for him after MMLP. His style never was really my preference. And i'm not going to act like I have years of experience with this type of music, I was like 5 when it dropped. Now listening to the album, comparing it to his later work. It's such a huge step down that i really can't take him seriously as a skilled lyricist. And when people say he's a top 10 of all time contender I laugh. HARD.
@Maradonarules10 - And like i've said soo many times here, Recovery was a very VERY solid effort. It (to me) wasn't a step down at all but you pretty much just put your self out there by sayin' you never were a Eminem fan! Eminem should definitely be in most ppl's top 10 and that's no laughing matter. When it comes to skillz, he's definitely one of the best. But like I continue to say, it's all about preference and apparently he is not your cup of tea so that pretty much says it all!
@kngjames83 It's not preference at all. I'm also not a Jedi Mind Tricks fan, but i know that they're dope, i'm not a Mobb Deep fan but i know they had solid albums with nice lyrics. That doesn't mean anything. Even though i was never a fan of him, i could see how lyrical MMLP was. And Relapse/Recovery is NOT. Plain and simple he's not the same anymore MC'S THAT ARE BETTER THAN EMINEM RIGHT NOW: CANIBUS BLU FASHAWN ALL OF THE WU KRS RAKIM KOOL G REDMAN MF DOOM the list is endless, he's not good.
@kngjames83 It's not preference at all. I'm also not a Jedi Mind Tricks fan, but i know that they're dope, i'm not a Mobb Deep fan but i know they had solid albums with nice lyrics. That doesn't mean anything. Even though i was never a fan of him, i could see how lyrical MMLP was. And Relapse/Recovery is NOT. Plain and simple he's not the same anymore MC'S THAT ARE BETTER THAN EMINEM RIGHT NOW: CANIBUS BLU FASHAWN ALL OF THE WU KRS RAKIM KOOL G REDMAN MF DOOM the list is endless, he's not good
@Maradonarules10 - You are again proving my point! Your list is acquired taste, meaning that not many would agree that any on your list are better than Em! That is your preference. Going down your list, Canibus, now maybe, early Em NO, Blu, YES i'm a huge fan, Fashawn, not to me, WU, 5 of the 9 members are better or as good as Em, KRS, pioneer, Rakim, pioneer, Kool G, of course, Redman, not to me Meth was better, MF Doom, is overrated to me! Even the great KRS gave Em credit for 3 A.M!
@Maradonarules10 - I will give you MY list of MC's who are as good or better than Eminem: Elzhi, Jay Electronica, Nas, Royce 5'9 (he just recently rhymed circles around Em on a track they have together called "Echo"), Black Thought, Lupe, Kweli, I know i'm missing some but you see how my list of MC's are completely different from the cats you named (Blu woulda made this list but you named him)? Preference! Even with Em's digressed skills these are the lyricists that are on his level.
@kngjames83 I actually agree 100% with everybody on your list accept for maybe Royce (he's close though, i wanna wait because he just recently really got his lyrics up). And these lyricists are definitely BETTER than em. They're not just as good, they're not worse, they're 100% better. It's not about preference. Let's break it down into category, FLOW LYRICS DISCOGRAPHY* TECHNIQUE BREATH CONTROLL.
@Maradonarules10 - If you break it down into those categories you would definitely have to include Eminem in that. He's got the flow, lyrics are not always up to par bc he clowns alot but he has shown he can have some enticing lyrics, he has 4 solid albums under his belt, cadence, delivery, rhyme schemes are superior to many, unless you're completely ignoring your own criteria I don't see how you still don't see that Eminem has not digressed.
@Maradonarules10 stop trying to make mu fuckas think like you it wont work dude it is a preference people like who they like recovery is a good solid album
@junwiz Recovery's a piece of shit. Nothing's going to change about that. Even those fucking mainstream critics that gave Carter 3 four stars called it shit.. Think about that for a second.
bullshitt... saying eminem is in the top 5 isn't riding his dick... eminem is in the fucking top 5 no doubt.... its the people that think em is the one and only that are riding his dick
To be honest, I codon't mind who he choses to work with, I just wish his music wouldn't take so long. After all, he could do like 50 Cent (not that I'm comparing him to 50 in any level), but artists like 50 Cent, Busta Rhymes, Ghostface, RZA, all have projects that they work on them more organicly and others that may not be their oldest/longest work in process that end being release beforehand, which is fine by me as long as it's good enough.
there's always next year. And I won't them to put old school cats and new school cats on the same cypher, so that the new fanbase can really see the difference between a rapper and an MC.
something like, the hottest commercial kid next year, followed by a mid 90's vet, then closed by an early 90s legend--Rakim for that matter.
i want someone to set that up on something cause thats is something to be remembered, i would love to see that now i know why buckshot wasnt so good, but damn howd premo forget budden he killed everythign
I think Joey B had the best verse out of all the MC's but I liked KRS one's energy. For an old guy he came like he was hungry. And Em's flow was crazy hot. And that Obama Dahmer sequence was crazy cuz it made sense if you really thiink about it. Cuz he did clam down from dissin rappers, but like Dahmer he can still kill them.
Im a huge eminem fan but i thinki black thought verse was the best because his shit was hot from begining to end ems shit didnt get hot untill the end but they all was hot
all the rappers were good but mos def used the same lines that almost every NY rapper uses which is cool but unoriginal to boot... an blackthought was good but any rapper that drops there name 20 times in a freestyle is only as good as I am...which isnt a compliment cuz i drop my name 40 times when i try to spit and i know how lame it is
thought's verse was anything but generic. Do you honestly think "any rapper" could use the line "even though I'm late night now like 'Here's Johnny'"?
Thought has always been one of the hardest, most lyrically talented rappers in hip-hop since I can remember.
In the end though, all three of them murdered. Cyphers are supposed to be something to bring people together, not pit them against each other, and these three beasts of hip-hop did just that.
1:41 Interviewer: "So it ended up being Em, Mos and Black Thought?" Premier:"...And Black Thought. Black Thought, Yea Black Thought. And Black Thought killed it too." 2:53 Interviewer: "And u said Mos went in?" Premier: "Yea, um...Black Thought went in." hahahahaha real recognize real greatest producer of all time givin respect to the greatest mc of all time its bout time for people to kno the truth Black Thought the GOAT
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I'm still gutted Em scraped the "Keys to the City" track produced by Premo.
Supposedly because Premo talked about it and Em wanted it kept a secret. Maybe not though.
Premo is such a better producer than Dre, I'm craving for an Em / Premo collab.
This possible talk of an Em / Royce and Premo collab is queezy. That would be the best fucking track EVER. Two of IMO - THEE best emcess EVER, period and one of the best producers. They could make magic.
But Em is Nas' "wigga n*gga cracka friend" lol I'm quoting him. Yeah those two should have a track together. I think they would definitely vibe off of each other.
He's a leecher. He made his early career off Biggie and he's been biting his lyrics ever since. A mention or two is a homage, entire half-verses is fucking biting. End of. Even on BP3.
He's lame as fuck too. He doesn't innovate shit, all of BP3 is just him bragging.
He doesn't prove his worth he just talks about how he doesn't need to prove his worth, he doesn't innovate just brags about how he HAS innovated. and TEN out of fucking 15 tracks feature other artists!
That's one hell of a sell-out, limited talent fucker. Ten out of 15 fucking tracks. He doesn't even deserve to call that a solo album.
He doesn't produce jack shit and other people are writing the hooks so he could at least feature on the fucking majority of it.
But you've proven you clearly haven't even listened to fucking Relapse and are just going by what you've heard if you think it's SIMPLE NON-CREATIVE RAP.
You fucking maniac. Relapse is an absolute lyrical slaughtering.
Go listen to "Stay Wide Awake" and get schooled by the best rap lyricist ever.
The wordplay is STAGGERING. the irony, character play, tongue-in-cheek, playful pyscho-appeal, pyschology, persona-juggling.
relapse was not weak shit. Eminem iz way better then jay wit lyrics and em only put out 5 albums and jay put out more than double what em put out and has sold more double than him.
U dumbass learn how 2 read b4 u say somthing. i never said jay sold double what em sold. i said em sold more than double what jay sold u stupid muthafucka.
First off, my name is EminemBase because this account is specifically for Eminem material I have about 10 accounts, including for other artists. You moron.
Secondly, you've just proven you know FUCK ALL about hip-hop or lyricism if you seriously think BP3 comes anywhere near Relapse.
BP3 is a cheeseball of an album. Another 15 meaningless shitball tracks full of non-stop bragging and Biggie biting from hip-hop's biggest fraud.
Look it up though, there's a vid of Redman saying he would go over to Shady right now because they keep true to hip-hop.
And saying he would leave Def Jam right now and for Em to even think of Redman joining would be an honour.
Em is crazy if he doesn't sign him. Imagine full on Redman / Em collaberations. Man, Em n Red. two of the greatest, they need to do it. Em is 37 and Red is 39, wish they'd hurry up.
But you must be out your damn mind if you say Relapse was weak, any TRUE Jay Z fan would notice the lyrical content in Relapse, if you disagree, you're probably dumb fxck who misunderstands what hip hop is and just wants an opinion.
Name one thing he's done which comes close to the inside-rhyming, beautiful flow structure, character-play and descriptive detail as "Stay Wide Awake".
Eminem has mastered everything from acid rap to ho-down rap and everything in between.
He brings not just a new flow every album but a new set of flows. A new flow every track! This is something Nas does not do.
Not only that but every album Nas raps around similar subject matter, he doesn't change every album like Em does.
I'll give you various songs from people that lyrically rape Em, if u wanna hear it listen if not cool, It's not commi stuff like Immort T... But from Nas- Amongst Kings, Verbal Intercourse.. Jay Elect- The Pledge(amazing) Dimethytriptamine, Big Pun- Super Lyrical, Dream Shatter, You Ain't A Killer... Elzhi- Scattered Pictures, S.A.R.A.H. i have plenty more of everyone but not enough space.... Rakim- Shades of Black n everything else he did lol... Check some of it out man, have fun...
Lmaooooo Em is my man dogg, Infinite included, but by nowhere no how can u say that he is the best MC u just can't... But im sure your not very familiar as your saying, Em with his multi's i believe have the best flow, him and Andre 3k... But lyrically Em is nowhere close to Nas, Rakim, or Canibus, Jay Electronica. and a couple of other people... Lyrically Em isn't all that, its that damn flow that gets him... If u thought u knew hip hop u dont... Nas is the best ever man.
Not including fucking Big Pun..... damn Em is nowhere close to that mans league... I personally love Em but dont noe which Em u r listening to... Ive coped every album he's got, infinite included and none r better than any Nas album or Rakim or Pun
Naa im gonna change your mind lol, its my job Hip Hop is my life, Now by the dark in that way, only people like ICP create that kinda dark, bt also Em has never had an Album lyrically sound like Illmatic or It Was Written or Reasonable Doubt or Liquid Swords, or a bunch of other shit Em's albums arent great man, by no means.. If you'd honestly care to listen i'd give u a lot of Albums better than any Album Em made...He gets dark bt he cant fuck with Kweli or others, u arent really Familiar.
Oh my lantaaa you noe nothing of Hip Hop, leave this talk quick fast, you r not in the same boat as me at all, Illmatic is 10x better than Relapse, Deja Vu is dope, but nowhere close to anything on Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt is 10X better than anything Em has made, thanks to the man on the screen a lot Premo...But dogg Jay-z is your fav rapper's fav rapper lemme just let u think about that, he and Redman r Em's fav... N Jigga is wayy raw, with every message u prove more n more u dont noe shit.
PREMO YOU ARE A HIP HOP LEGEND
Rmp0030 3 months ago
Em, Mos, and Rakim woulda been historical
Aerosol95 4 months ago
to be honest krs 1 free style was very basic i thought it was the worst one, he's last verse with the nike check was real weak i expected a lot more...
bppump4life 7 months ago
@bppump4life dude it was off the top of his head lol go easy on him
90mv 6 months ago
@ghiblix2 Listen to Hell: The Sequel.
HumzahAslam 8 months ago
WOW @ Dj Premier "Nikki Minaj UMM , and crown royla , and um,,,, umm.... buckshot., n ummmm....... ummmm... HOW CAN YOU FORGET THE BEST MAN JOE BUDDEN! n if i misspelled the 3 artist name idc i dont listen to em !
om714 10 months ago
If you say Recovery isnt lyrically good than you sir are the dumbass, no matter how "corny". And i dont talk to dumbasses. Good Day
pnoftw 1 year ago
premo just looks like hip hop
GuiniVinny93 1 year ago
may be far fetched but i'd love a cypher of jus nas and jay z going back to back
90mv 1 year ago
DISCOGRAPHY: he has 3/7 solid albums so that doesn't work
LYRICS: He isn't the same lyrically and hasn't made any progress with lyrics recently
FLOW: His flow's stale and used up now, i actually can't stand Em's flow these days, because it's so predictable
BREATH CONTROL: He's fine when it comes to breath control
TECHNIQUE: Along with his flow, his whole technique on how to attack a track is all fucked up. He doesn't have the same intensity that he did have during the MMLP years
That's 1/5.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 It seems em's just doing this for himself nowadays. He says whatever comes to mind and doesnt think about whether it sounds dope or not. I agree with most of what you said but if anything, he's clearer and more direct when it comes to delivering his messages.
choonhachat 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 Youre an idiot lmfao stupid troll
pnoftw 1 year ago
@pnoftw Stfu, it's not my fault y'all don't know hip hop. Only suburban rich white boys like eminem now a days... fucking faggots.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 Lmao like i said youre a failed troll. Everyone in the game respects Em so go watch your favorite artist talk about him
pnoftw 1 year ago
@pnoftw Haha, one of my favorite artists is Canibus... What now? Also, just because i say that Recovery was shit doesn't mean i don't respect him.. well after Encore, i really did lose all respect for him, but MMLP was a def. Classic. Infinite was crazy to. He sold out.. so wanna stop riding him like i ride your mom every night?
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 Lol sadkid bringing peoples mom into it. You must be 12. I feel sorry for you that your favorite artist is Canibus lmao
pnoftw 1 year ago
@pnoftw I feel sorry that you worship this Pop Sellout's dick. Eminem isn't good anymore. Live with it. He's a fucking sell out. Years ago in an interview he was dissing pop and said that he would never resort to it. Now what's he doing?.... Collabo's with Lil' wayne, Rihanna and Pink.. Keep it classy you fucking cracka.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 Lol Lil Wayne pop? Cmon now dont ride the undergrounds dick so hard... I dont like Em's latest album either but it is lyrically on point so i mean i fail to see your point here. Nigger? And im not even racist
pnoftw 1 year ago
@pnoftw You're a fucking dumbass. How is lil' wayne not pop? The nigga uses autotune. And wtf do you mean riding underground dick. I support GOOD MUSIC, mainstream, underground, old school WHATEVA. Nas isn't underground, lupe isn't. I still love those dude's. How was Recovery "lyrically on point?" Not Afraid might have been one of the corniest songs i've heard till date. So shut the fuck up and do your homework.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 You're too literal with your thinking, when Eminem disses pop he's dissing the subject manner and lame producing. It's always some feminine looking dude singing about some girl he likes. Recovery had pop singers as guest stars, but that was only to sing hooks not to change the whole song. His wordplay is stronger than ever and his subject matter is a lot more mature if you ask me, drug addiction, Proof's death, violent relationships, suicide. Em is growing up, simple as that.
Slugg44 11 months ago
@Slugg44 Really? Recovery and Relapse were pieces of shit. Em started sucking dick after Eminem Show. His lyrics are stale. Subject matter and lyrics are two different things. Take pac and big for example. Pac's subject matter was ahead of his time. Deep and emotional, but his lyrics weren't up to par. On the other hand even though BIG's subject matter wasn't as layered as pac's, his lyricism was untouchable. Eminem's subject matter and lyrics are corny as fuck now. Simple as that.
Maradonarules10 11 months ago
@Maradonarules10 lol yu must be a dumbass if yu think his lyrics are stale. every swingle song off recovery is full of double entendres and relapse is rhyming crazy shit with storytelling to go along with it. shut the fuck up if yu dont have a clue with what yur talkin bout.
cardkings94 10 months ago
@cardkings94 Nigga, this is the problem with die hard Eminem fans and shit.. They're all so up his crack they can't see the fucking light of day. Y'all don't see that eminem doesn't rhyme like he used to. Compare "My Name Is" to "Not Afraid". One was a fucking amazing track with assonance and crazy multi's. The other is a corney piece of sellout dick. That pretty much sums up that white boy's career.
Maradonarules10 10 months ago
@Maradonarules10 lol not even close to a die hard Em fan. and no shit My Name Is is better but Not Afraid has some double entendres in it. if Dre produced Recovery everyone would think its a classic but the producers made it sound pop. do yu even know what the fuck a double entendre is?
cardkings94 10 months ago
@cardkings94 HAHAHA the day someone corrects me about my knowledge of the fucking music. A double entendre is like a word with a double meaning.. used commonly in punchlines. And just because something has "some double entendres" doesn't make it a good song. Not Afraid was a fucking piece of shit. It was a sorry excuse for a song. It was the corniest thing i've heard Em spit in a while. Don't fucking blame production for making something sound pop. His lyrics were stale in his last 3/4 albums.
Maradonarules10 10 months ago
@Maradonarules10 so if that song was an acapella it would still be a pop song. thats what yur saying. lol stale, yur a dumbass. ill take yur opinoin into consideration when yu talk about more than just one song on the album. eminems writing is at its best right now. his lyrics arent but his writing is. define ''stale'' as well. because if yur gonna say no meaning id love to prove yur dumbass wrong. listen to "Fast Lane" by Bad Meets Evil and then come talk to me about ''stale''
cardkings94 10 months ago
@Maradonarules10 alls i see on this video is yu bitching how not afraid was corny and hes a sell out. honestly yu put up the shittiest argument cuz yu dont do shit to back it up. "not afraid was corny his lyrics are stale, his past 3 albums sucked". same shit every comment just stfu
cardkings94 10 months ago
@cardkings94 Hahaha. Okay then.. please.. you explain to me what was so great about any of Eminem's last three albums lyrically.. Don't worry.. I'll wait. You mad?
Maradonarules10 10 months ago
@Maradonarules10 encore was just funny ass shit to just bump cuz thats when he was on his pills n shit. relapse was hardcore shady and crazy rhyming and story telling like Stay Wide Awake, Beautiful, etc. Underground was a dope ass track lyrically period. and in Recovery his double entendre, metaphor game was at its best. his flow was insane on You're Never Over, Won't Back Down, 25 To Life, and No Love. Cinderella man had like 10 double entendres in that song itself. 2nd verse 25 to life LISTEN
cardkings94 10 months ago
@cardkings94 Hahahahahaha. All the shit you said is just fucking wrong. You're honestly giving credit to that white boy's worst line of work. Obviously you don't know hip hop. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and don't know what an MC at his best sounds like. What's next? You gonna say Blueprint was Jay Z's best album? lmao. See, it because of sellouts like eminem, and stupid ass fans like you that this fucking music is going straight to the shitter.
Maradonarules10 9 months ago
@Maradonarules10 please tell me how it is wrong. eminem 95-03 is when he was at his best. he still a great rapper. dont know what the fuck im talkin about? yu have yet to prove any points besides not afraid was corny. listen to Fast Lane with Royce and Em just came out last week. yu put up shitty ass arguements yu dumb mother fucker.
cardkings94 9 months ago
@cardkings94 How is this a shitty argument? Can you not see the difference between him back then and him now? It's not fucking rocket science to see that his lyrics have degressed and are much more watered down. He doesn't talk about real shit anymore and can't convey his point across to the audience with a witty touch like he used to. He may have some songs here and there, but that really doesn't prove shit. you wanna ride his dick, fine, go ahead. But you can't deny the fact that he's done.
Maradonarules10 9 months ago
@Maradonarules10 define real shit."my potatoes are baked homie,the veggies on my plate can fly, my filet is smokin weed, ya faggot the steaks are high","stick my dick in the circle but im not fuckin around, ill show yu pussy footin, ill kick a bitch in the cunt til it makes her queef and sounds like a fuckin whoopie cushion","i dont rap about dead presidents, id rather see the president dead, never been said but i set precedence","yu can still get roasted cuz marsh is not mellow<--hes still good
cardkings94 9 months ago
i hrhdd and i lisitiinn shot to em ahafhajj a black shaha black ajsahja>>>> WHAAAATTT CANT FUCKIN HEAR NOTHIN FUUUCCCKKK
TheKIngBP 1 year ago
@ayothisangel BHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
the instrumental makes me wanna say BUKKA BUKKA BUKKA BUKKA like mos def lol
90mv 1 year ago
thank fuck buckshot took over
ThrashingTerror 1 year ago
lol if Rakim was there he probably blow everyone's mind for a few minutes, too bad.
Deathkill06 1 year ago
the beat in the beginning is mos def - mathematics
weaam1910 1 year ago
@ayothisangel rofl
Cobhammar 1 year ago
@ayothisangel
Nigga stop lyin.
Joe Budden doesn't even think he's the best of all time.
Broyale26 1 year ago 2
@ayothisangel LOL
Llahsram06 1 year ago
Eminem one of the best ever!!!
FREE SOUTH PARK MEXICAN!!!
nastyboyzey 1 year ago
fuck asher roth
hueysmalls 2 years ago 18
yeah dat niggas kinda wack
trudon 2 years ago
Youtube "Costa aka Capo" and Listen to "Gov'z Greazy" and "Freedom". Real Hip Hop get at 'em
JCostilCapo1 2 years ago
FUCK!!! i so wish rakim was there
ThEstanBy 2 years ago 2
Wish Rakim was there... Rakim is BEAST!
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rabihvu 2 years ago
Personally i grew up listening to old school hiphop and nas and eminem are in my top 5 dead or alive bt i honestly believe nas is a better lyricist than em,his works are thought provoking,they acually make u listen and think and he speaks d truth,saying no one is on eminems level is a stupid statement and there is no fuckin best rapper alive!!!real mcs have said that over nd over again,nas said it,so also did eminem,nd there r too many em dickriders on net
toluwanimiogunleye 2 years ago 4
@toluwanimiogunleye there are too many Nas Dickriders on the Net! YOu talk about EM dickriders but you are also guilty of that fact cause you are commenting on EMINEM LMAO! Think before you make your comments cause you disproved your last statement and really riding both artists jocks.. nuff said!
Wangtime1 2 years ago
Nah man i dnt think you understand me, what i was trying to say is that they both great artists and im a fan of them both, appreciating their works don't make me a dickrider,and if you want to be honest eminem has more dickriders than nas
toluwanimiogunleye 2 years ago
@toluwanimiogunleye - I feel what you're saying but at the same time, saying Nas is better than Em contradicts your original comment. I don't think Eminem and Nas can be compared simply bc they are revered for two completely different things. Nas is more into substance and making thought provoking shit that makes you think while Em focuses more on structure and the way a verse is put together. Em is one of the best at putting words together. They are both great in their own right.
kngjames83 2 years ago
@kngjames83 well said man,your quite right,I respect your opinion,They both legends,personally I prefer thought provoking people but its all got to do with preference and other people may prefer structure but its all good,Them dudes keep hiphop alive
toluwanimiogunleye 2 years ago
Right! Not sayin' that I lean towards one more than the other. I usually like a even dose of lyrical skill and substance. But I agree Nas and Eminem are two of the all time greats.
kngjames83 2 years ago 4
@kngjames83 Nahh man, Nas Yes. But Eminem No. Eminem started his career of like a legend with SSLP and MMLP, Eminem show was Aiight, and then it just went downhill from there. He's no longer a legend. Real Talk, no hate.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - You're entitled to your opinion but Recovery was the shit!! Now say what you want about Em no longer being a legend or whatever that's your opinion, but he has more than earned his place in that conversation bc very few are better on the mic than him. He was going thru his shit and may have put out some sub par albums after the Eminem Show, but even the most casual of rap fans would say that he made up for that with Recovery. Now if you can't respect that, you are hating!
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 Lol, it's not hating when it makes sense. Compare MMLP to Recovery. If you can't see that Recovery was a piece of shit compared to MMLP then you're deaf, or just so up Eminem's ass hole you can't see the light of day. Another thing that i actually HATE about Eminem is his hypocrisy. I saw one of his interviews and he was downplaying Pop music saying it's stupid and how he's never do it. Who's he signing with now? Rihanna, Lil' Wayne, Pink. Yea. Way to go there.. stupid ass whiteboy.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion. It would be foolish for me to sit here and try to argue that bc it clearly sounds like you have some kinda personal issue with Em. I will leave by saying that the proof is in the music bro. It's on you whether you decide to ignore it. Em has had 4 very good albums and 2 not soo good ones, his mic skills are superior to many, yet you focus on his pop image and the fact that he's white. C'mon dude!!!
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 You're taking this in the wrong way. I totally respect your opinion, and how you like him, that's all good, you could listen to that faggot lil' wayne for all i care. All i'm saying is he fell off. You know it and i know it. You can hear it in his music. The dude's not as good as he used to be and thats the truth. Recovery and Relapse is not the best of his potential and he's gone mainstream, and is really making some corny shit now days. I don't hate him. I've just lost respect.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - YOU hear it in his music, I don't! I hear evolution, I hear a artist that has grown, I hear a MC who is STILL lyrically better than 90% of these niggas spitting today. And for the record, Eminem has been mainstream for a while now. Nothing about his mass appeal has changed since the Marshall Mathers LP. You are clearly reaching looking for any reason to dislike Em but your opinion is your opinion. I guess the only problem with that is everyone has one.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 Holy fuck, you must be a failed abortion or something. Can you not tell the difference between MMLP and Relapse/Recovery? If you can't then shit, you're on your own, i can't have discussions with dude's that are so far up Eminem's ass hole they can't see the light of day. For example: I'm the biggest Rakim fan (if you've heard of him), I think he's the greatest to bless the mic. But i know for a fact, his newest album is a humongous step down from his days with Eric B. I accept it.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - Lmao, it's funny how when someone don't agree with you niggas start resorting to hostility. Look dude, for the sake of this argument, Elzhi (if you've heard of him) is my favorite MC, so me acknowledging that Em has skills has nothing to do with me being a Eminem stan or having my head up his ass or any of that non sense. You're acting as though I said Recovery is his greatest work. I acknowledged that MMLP and Eminem Show imo is his best work.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - But as a fan of HIP HOP, I can admit that Eminem is still a VERY skilled lyricist. Any soo called hip hop enthusiast should be able to admit to that. I never blasted you for your opinion, my only problem with you and your comments is that your reasoning for not liking Eminem seems to be more personal and not based on skills. Recovery, to me, doesn't compare to Em's best work, but it was still dope! Once again that is my opinion so I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 ... k listen. I have no problem with him personally. I do think he is a hypocrite but when i listen to music, unless they're a fucking KKK member or some shit. I don't give a fuck. All i care about is the music. Not the fame, glory, look, ect.. And in the end. His music had a huge decline in terms of quality for the past 3-4 albums, therefore making him a bore and now "just another average MC". FINAL, no more.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@kngjames83 And btw, if eminem was such a "skilled Lyricist" he wouldn't have gotten his ass tossed by Canibus. A dude like Canibus can literally kill Eminem. If it were Eminem back in 100% form (like in the MMLP days) then i have no idea who would win
PS I'm basing this 100% on the songs going back and forth between the two. If you listen, Canibus is destroying eminem. Eminem's shitting the bed, let's face it, he's gotten waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too soft.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - Ok. Cool. You win! Is that what u wanna hear??? Canibus is one of the few lyricist I would put in Eminem's stratosphere so bringing him into the argument for the sake of winning the argument is clearly reaching on your behalf. It is also VERY debatable who actually won that "battle" depending on who you ask but I won't get into that bc arguing opinion is pointless here.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - You said you think Eminem is a "hypocrite" for whatever reason so that right there lets me know u can't seriously listen to Eminem without some bias. Has Em's albums taken a bit of a decline since Eminem Show? Sure! Especially Relapse. But as a true fan of Hip Hop I still found art in those albums. 3 A.M. on Relapse, which was conceptually not all that good, was still beautifully written and there was still a complexity to his rhyming that's unmatched by many!
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - I still fell Recovery was solid conceptually and lyrically. Now that's my opinion and i'll take it to my grave lol. Em has fallen off a little but he's still a very skilled lyricist, far from average!
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - Everytime I have this argument with someone I think of Nas and Illmatic. Nas was never able to touch Illmatic lyrically so a lot of ppl said he's fallen off. That's not it at all. You niggas just didn't understand his growth and evolution as a MC. That same thing is very evident here bc you keep comparing Relapse and Recovery to MMLP! Holding artists to a certain standard prevents you from appreciating anything they've done since then. Keep that in mind bro.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 That's understandable, but now you're comparing Illmatic to MMLP. Hear me out. Even though Nas couldn't touch Illmatic NO ONE COULD CAN OR PROBABLY EVER WILL. In a way you're kind of taking it out of context. Illmatic is on God's fucking Ipod. And even though he couldn't drop another bomb like it, his music was still amazing : God's Son, It Was Written, Hip Hop Is Dead, Untitled**, Street's Disciple, and Stillmatic are still amazing records.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@kngjames83 But when you're talking about an MC like Eminem, MMLP was a great album, but it wasn't no illmatic. Off the top of my head, recent records that are IMO as good as MMLP: Only Built For Cuban Linx... pt. 2, Madvillainy, Let's get Free, How I Got Over, The Fix, and if i think and look at my discog on my Ipod, i can probably name more. I have nothing against Eminem, it's just instead of moving forward, eminem took a step back in terms of lyrics. It's different with nas ILLMATIC=UNTOUCHED
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - In no way am I comparing Illmatic and MMLP, just simply sayin' the situation is comparable. You believe that MMLP was Eminem's best and nothing he's done since then comes close to that. Well a lot of Nas fans i've encountered over the years believe that same thing about Nas. Nas has had maybe the same amount of critically acclaimed albums as Eminem has so they are more similar than you seem to think.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - But just like I don't feel Eminem has Digressed, I don't think Nas has lost a step either. It's all about preference at the end of the day tho. I still feel Nas is a more skilled lyricist bc he's second only to the great Rakim in my book, you are sleepin' pretty hard on Eminem. But hey, maybe we hear music two completely different ways. Can't imagine anyone with two fully functional ears not being able to hear that Em is STILL a very skilled lyricist.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 It's not that he isn't a skilled lyricist anymore. He's just not at his potential and when an MC isn't at his best, i won't listen. Bottom line: Even though you can compare nas and eminem's situations; Nas has had quality album after quality album {minus I am... and Nastradamus (SP)} while on the other hand Eminem's just been dropping mockery after mockery of albums. Relapse was terrible and Recovery was terrible I don't see why it's so hard to accept it. He's not the same.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - Well I just brought Nas into this as an example. I've always held Nas at a higher regard than Eminem so i'm not arguing who's better. But at the same time, if a artist stays true to the art form (which Eminem does on every album regardless of the content of his music) I can find quality in the music. What Em can do with a 16, whether he's rapping about killing his wife or slapping his mom, is unmatched imo. U gotta respect that whether you feel what he's rapping about or not.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 And to be honest, i've never been an eminem fan from the beginning, but i always had respect for him after MMLP. His style never was really my preference. And i'm not going to act like I have years of experience with this type of music, I was like 5 when it dropped. Now listening to the album, comparing it to his later work. It's such a huge step down that i really can't take him seriously as a skilled lyricist. And when people say he's a top 10 of all time contender I laugh. HARD.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - And like i've said soo many times here, Recovery was a very VERY solid effort. It (to me) wasn't a step down at all but you pretty much just put your self out there by sayin' you never were a Eminem fan! Eminem should definitely be in most ppl's top 10 and that's no laughing matter. When it comes to skillz, he's definitely one of the best. But like I continue to say, it's all about preference and apparently he is not your cup of tea so that pretty much says it all!
kngjames83 1 year ago
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - You are again proving my point! Your list is acquired taste, meaning that not many would agree that any on your list are better than Em! That is your preference. Going down your list, Canibus, now maybe, early Em NO, Blu, YES i'm a huge fan, Fashawn, not to me, WU, 5 of the 9 members are better or as good as Em, KRS, pioneer, Rakim, pioneer, Kool G, of course, Redman, not to me Meth was better, MF Doom, is overrated to me! Even the great KRS gave Em credit for 3 A.M!
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 , canibus was better than em now and then!
sfknns 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - I will give you MY list of MC's who are as good or better than Eminem: Elzhi, Jay Electronica, Nas, Royce 5'9 (he just recently rhymed circles around Em on a track they have together called "Echo"), Black Thought, Lupe, Kweli, I know i'm missing some but you see how my list of MC's are completely different from the cats you named (Blu woulda made this list but you named him)? Preference! Even with Em's digressed skills these are the lyricists that are on his level.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@kngjames83 I actually agree 100% with everybody on your list accept for maybe Royce (he's close though, i wanna wait because he just recently really got his lyrics up). And these lyricists are definitely BETTER than em. They're not just as good, they're not worse, they're 100% better. It's not about preference. Let's break it down into category, FLOW LYRICS DISCOGRAPHY* TECHNIQUE BREATH CONTROLL.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 - If you break it down into those categories you would definitely have to include Eminem in that. He's got the flow, lyrics are not always up to par bc he clowns alot but he has shown he can have some enticing lyrics, he has 4 solid albums under his belt, cadence, delivery, rhyme schemes are superior to many, unless you're completely ignoring your own criteria I don't see how you still don't see that Eminem has not digressed.
kngjames83 1 year ago
@Maradonarules10 stop trying to make mu fuckas think like you it wont work dude it is a preference people like who they like recovery is a good solid album
junwiz 1 year ago
@junwiz Recovery's a piece of shit. Nothing's going to change about that. Even those fucking mainstream critics that gave Carter 3 four stars called it shit.. Think about that for a second.
Maradonarules10 1 year ago
bullshitt... saying eminem is in the top 5 isn't riding his dick... eminem is in the fucking top 5 no doubt.... its the people that think em is the one and only that are riding his dick
espark1089 2 years ago
Calm DOWN SON! Your typing like a CRAZY BEAGLE over there! Not are you on EMinems JOCK but now on MINE.... nuff said HOMO! Go play RELAPSE KID!
Wangtime1 2 years ago
the original Renegades was way better to me. Jay-Z didn't fit that song. but check out my songs that i recently uploaded and see what y'all think...
scinnyc 2 years ago
i cant here shit premier is sayin
ziggydow 2 years ago 2
Wow, Rakim keeps disappointing me.
I still can't wait for his lp.
Anfmethodjor 2 years ago
Accidents happen man, i mean at least he's keeping it to the fact he got the Seventh Seal in place you know?
ProjektXero91 2 years ago
word. I'll be getting that on day one.
To be honest, I codon't mind who he choses to work with, I just wish his music wouldn't take so long. After all, he could do like 50 Cent (not that I'm comparing him to 50 in any level), but artists like 50 Cent, Busta Rhymes, Ghostface, RZA, all have projects that they work on them more organicly and others that may not be their oldest/longest work in process that end being release beforehand, which is fine by me as long as it's good enough.
Anfmethodjor 2 years ago
oh i hear ya man,
but yea Ra would have killed it, Hip Hop would have been revived just by him being there i was pleased to even see Krs-one this year!
ProjektXero91 2 years ago
there's always next year. And I won't them to put old school cats and new school cats on the same cypher, so that the new fanbase can really see the difference between a rapper and an MC.
something like, the hottest commercial kid next year, followed by a mid 90's vet, then closed by an early 90s legend--Rakim for that matter.
Anfmethodjor 2 years ago
fuck me right in the goat
rakim
eminem
mosdef
blackthought
i want someone to set that up on something cause thats is something to be remembered, i would love to see that now i know why buckshot wasnt so good, but damn howd premo forget budden he killed everythign
Davemo69 2 years ago
you guys are cute
junior169 2 years ago
eminem N MD are beasts But Eminem is one the the greatest rapperz ever the way he freestylez iz crazy
Guero95833 2 years ago
EM is the best hands down that dude can spit fire.
daharris34 2 years ago
I think Joey B had the best verse out of all the MC's but I liked KRS one's energy. For an old guy he came like he was hungry. And Em's flow was crazy hot. And that Obama Dahmer sequence was crazy cuz it made sense if you really thiink about it. Cuz he did clam down from dissin rappers, but like Dahmer he can still kill them.
828428 2 years ago
KRS-One had that old school flavor that was need in the cypher.
boozaaa 2 years ago
Im a huge eminem fan but i thinki black thought verse was the best because his shit was hot from begining to end ems shit didnt get hot untill the end but they all was hot
kemoine 2 years ago 2
just like Black ems shit was good beginning to end.
j04370859 2 years ago
all the rappers were good but mos def used the same lines that almost every NY rapper uses which is cool but unoriginal to boot... an blackthought was good but any rapper that drops there name 20 times in a freestyle is only as good as I am...which isnt a compliment cuz i drop my name 40 times when i try to spit and i know how lame it is
PocketSs22 2 years ago
thought's verse was anything but generic. Do you honestly think "any rapper" could use the line "even though I'm late night now like 'Here's Johnny'"?
Thought has always been one of the hardest, most lyrically talented rappers in hip-hop since I can remember.
In the end though, all three of them murdered. Cyphers are supposed to be something to bring people together, not pit them against each other, and these three beasts of hip-hop did just that.
Lupend57 2 years ago
he didn't have many lines like that though... most of it was generic, with a nice flow
drhodad 2 years ago
That cypher track was fucking hot! Would of been amazing if Rakim was there too, oh well. =/
redsoxfan591 2 years ago
relapse has the illest rhyme schemes ive ever heard
THC3114 2 years ago
Daaaaaaaamn I wish Rakim could have got in there with Em. That would have been some shit to see
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behtashbg 2 years ago
what the fuck is the name of this instrumentall it sounds so damn familur i just cant put my dick on it lol of what it is someone let me know
youngTsnow 2 years ago
mos def mathematics
StigsApprentice1 2 years ago
I like Relapse and The Blueprint 3. They are not Eminem and Jay-Z's best albums, but still decent.
MrBizzel 2 years ago 3
Ive been getting tweets that Joe Budden smashed it with his cipha freestyle for 2009 bet awards
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EpidemikMusik 2 years ago
whats the song in da begining ?
ds2500s 2 years ago
joe budden dere YESSS he gana kill it easy
JErSEysFuture201 2 years ago
Joe Budden is wack.
whatevahman 2 years ago 3
I'm still gutted Em scraped the "Keys to the City" track produced by Premo.
Supposedly because Premo talked about it and Em wanted it kept a secret. Maybe not though.
Premo is such a better producer than Dre, I'm craving for an Em / Premo collab.
This possible talk of an Em / Royce and Premo collab is queezy. That would be the best fucking track EVER. Two of IMO - THEE best emcess EVER, period and one of the best producers. They could make magic.
EminemBase 2 years ago 2
I'm still shocked there hasn't been a Nas / Em collab too. Maybe they're both too stubborn to ask one another lol.
EminemBase 2 years ago 4
they did collab on stillmatic...only thing em was just a producer
emhigh420 2 years ago
Na it was 'God's Son'.
And it was one track Em produced called "The Cross".
That's hardly a collaboration though. I mean a lyrical collaboration. With that, Em just sent Nas a beat tape and Nas picked a beat.
EminemBase 2 years ago
But Em is Nas' "wigga n*gga cracka friend" lol I'm quoting him. Yeah those two should have a track together. I think they would definitely vibe off of each other.
PeaceSeekers 2 years ago
I've been waiting for a Nas and Em track since the beginning of fuckin time. They better have one before they leave the game.
Konyak0 2 years ago
I know.
If they both quit and never do one, that's madness.
Em came into the mainstream only four to five years after Nas. His first track was 98' n Illmatic was 94.
Em was in his... Prime, you could say, 2000-2002 which is also when Nas revitalized his career so it's crazy they never did something then.
They both respect each other a lot...
I think it could just be, they both have too much ego to ask lmao. Like stailmate, neither wants to be the one to ask maybe.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Also Em and Redman need to do more stuff together. Only had one track from them.
Redman wants to go over to Shady, he basically asked Em publicly.
Em should sign him man. Em's music is genius but I seriously question his judgement of other rappers.
Because he surrounds himself with bums - Fucking Stat Quo, 50, Cashis, they're all a pile of shit.
He should sign Royce and Redman and create some utter genius with them both.
Imagine a full Bad Meets Evil or full Em / Red album... Druellss.
EminemBase 2 years ago
ems most recent album was garbage
nemesis700 2 years ago
Woah! It wasn't garbage... it was decent.
On the same level as bp3.
baconyum 2 years ago
and what was bp3?...garbage...lol..i dont listen to simple non creative rap
nemesis700 2 years ago
Sooooooo you're saying Jay -Z is garbage?
Okey-dokey jimmy!!
baconyum 2 years ago
Yeah Jay-Z is fucking garbage.
He's a leecher. He made his early career off Biggie and he's been biting his lyrics ever since. A mention or two is a homage, entire half-verses is fucking biting. End of. Even on BP3.
He's lame as fuck too. He doesn't innovate shit, all of BP3 is just him bragging.
EminemBase 2 years ago
He doesn't prove his worth he just talks about how he doesn't need to prove his worth, he doesn't innovate just brags about how he HAS innovated. and TEN out of fucking 15 tracks feature other artists!
That's one hell of a sell-out, limited talent fucker. Ten out of 15 fucking tracks. He doesn't even deserve to call that a solo album.
He doesn't produce jack shit and other people are writing the hooks so he could at least feature on the fucking majority of it.
EminemBase 2 years ago
But you've proven you clearly haven't even listened to fucking Relapse and are just going by what you've heard if you think it's SIMPLE NON-CREATIVE RAP.
You fucking maniac. Relapse is an absolute lyrical slaughtering.
Go listen to "Stay Wide Awake" and get schooled by the best rap lyricist ever.
The wordplay is STAGGERING. the irony, character play, tongue-in-cheek, playful pyscho-appeal, pyschology, persona-juggling.
EminemBase 2 years ago 2
Relapse is not fucking simple or non-creative. That's an absurd comment.
Every track is a lyrical adventure crafted with immense visual immagery and he brings a new creative flow on every fcuking track!
Lamo fucks like Jay-Z keep the same shitty style FOREVER. Em mixes it up every fucking track. And every album.
EminemBase 2 years ago
relapse is weak
blueprint 3 was better by 8 miles lol
sorry sad but true
ps : your opinion has no credibility since your nickname is eminem
sadcommunity 2 years ago
relapse was not weak shit. Eminem iz way better then jay wit lyrics and em only put out 5 albums and jay put out more than double what em put out and has sold more double than him.
cabdrx90 2 years ago
relapse < blue print 3
sadcommunity 2 years ago
Jay hasn't sold double what Em has. Em is the biggest selling rapper in history.
EminemBase 2 years ago
U dumbass learn how 2 read b4 u say somthing. i never said jay sold double what em sold. i said em sold more than double what jay sold u stupid muthafucka.
cabdrx90 2 years ago
Actually, learn how to type as you put:
"jay put out more than double what em put out and has sold more double than him."
Which implies Jay sold more than double what Em did.
You fucking cretin.
EminemBase 2 years ago
LMFAO. BP3 better than Relapse?
First off, my name is EminemBase because this account is specifically for Eminem material I have about 10 accounts, including for other artists. You moron.
Secondly, you've just proven you know FUCK ALL about hip-hop or lyricism if you seriously think BP3 comes anywhere near Relapse.
BP3 is a cheeseball of an album. Another 15 meaningless shitball tracks full of non-stop bragging and Biggie biting from hip-hop's biggest fraud.
EminemBase 2 years ago
And TEN out of 15 tracks feature other artists. He doesn't even deserve to call that a solo ablum. He's a bum.
Where as Em's is 15 tracks of lyrical slaughter.
Name ANY track on BP3 that even touches the fucking sides of "Stay Wide Awake" lyrics-wise or flowwise.
Jay-Z has no substance, no imagination, no creativity and no originality. He's a fucking leecher.
Eminem shits on Jay-Z.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Redman asked to sign with Shady PUBLICLY!?
When was this?
WECENANUFF 2 years ago
Erm... Can't remember exactly when.
Look it up though, there's a vid of Redman saying he would go over to Shady right now because they keep true to hip-hop.
And saying he would leave Def Jam right now and for Em to even think of Redman joining would be an honour.
Em is crazy if he doesn't sign him. Imagine full on Redman / Em collaberations. Man, Em n Red. two of the greatest, they need to do it. Em is 37 and Red is 39, wish they'd hurry up.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Then I'll oppose your opinion
TRUE that the B3 is good, its classic Jay Z.
But you must be out your damn mind if you say Relapse was weak, any TRUE Jay Z fan would notice the lyrical content in Relapse, if you disagree, you're probably dumb fxck who misunderstands what hip hop is and just wants an opinion.
RestrictedEmblem 2 years ago
Listen i love Em as much as the next guy...but to say he's the best lyricist ever is just irresponsible.
Sounds like u need to go listen to Lupe Fiasco and Nas more.
Em's amazing but eminem is known for his rhymes, his flow, and story telling. and he's an absolute beast at what he does...
but lyricism-wise he does not fuck with Lupe or Nas.
Okieant 2 years ago 3
Okay first things first.
Please stop assuming me or anyone else who claims Em to be the best is not familiar with other hip-hop artists.
I love ALL good hip-hop. I am as familiar with Lupe, Nas, 2Pac, Big, Red, Meth and every other good lyricist as I am Eminem.
I've come to the conclusion that Em is the best from hearing them all.
Nas is a street poet but he's not even comparable to Eminem's talent.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Name one thing he's done which comes close to the inside-rhyming, beautiful flow structure, character-play and descriptive detail as "Stay Wide Awake".
Eminem has mastered everything from acid rap to ho-down rap and everything in between.
He brings not just a new flow every album but a new set of flows. A new flow every track! This is something Nas does not do.
Not only that but every album Nas raps around similar subject matter, he doesn't change every album like Em does.
EminemBase 2 years ago
A 99 Em song is unrecognizable to a 09 Eminem song. The same cannot be said for other great rappers including Red and Nas.
Not only that, their rhyming and metaphor and... Irony doesn't touch the sides of Em's.
But it's all subjective anyway. You're entitled to my opinion as I am mine. Agree to disagree.
EminemBase 2 years ago
I'll give you various songs from people that lyrically rape Em, if u wanna hear it listen if not cool, It's not commi stuff like Immort T... But from Nas- Amongst Kings, Verbal Intercourse.. Jay Elect- The Pledge(amazing) Dimethytriptamine, Big Pun- Super Lyrical, Dream Shatter, You Ain't A Killer... Elzhi- Scattered Pictures, S.A.R.A.H. i have plenty more of everyone but not enough space.... Rakim- Shades of Black n everything else he did lol... Check some of it out man, have fun...
Eweezie415 2 years ago
No sorry. You're making that comment under the assumption I haven't heard the songs you're posting.
I listen to all good hip-hop. I'm sick of repeating myself. I've heard the best from all the bests. And I still consider Em better than all of them.
Not only do none of them not touch his ENDLESS series of flows... He changes every song nevermind every album.
EminemBase 2 years ago
But they don't match his irony, timing, metaphors, mic presence. Not at all.
Low Down, Dirty, Square Dance, White America, Renegade, the best.
You think those songs rape Em, I don't. I think anyone sounds laughable to Em at his best.
As he proved yet again at the BET just now by getting gasps and killing even Mos Def and Black Thought.
We ain't gonna agree, so: AGREE TO DISAGREE. Bye.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Wow...
RainyDaiyze 2 years ago
Lmaooooo Em is my man dogg, Infinite included, but by nowhere no how can u say that he is the best MC u just can't... But im sure your not very familiar as your saying, Em with his multi's i believe have the best flow, him and Andre 3k... But lyrically Em is nowhere close to Nas, Rakim, or Canibus, Jay Electronica. and a couple of other people... Lyrically Em isn't all that, its that damn flow that gets him... If u thought u knew hip hop u dont... Nas is the best ever man.
Eweezie415 2 years ago
Not including fucking Big Pun..... damn Em is nowhere close to that mans league... I personally love Em but dont noe which Em u r listening to... Ive coped every album he's got, infinite included and none r better than any Nas album or Rakim or Pun
Eweezie415 2 years ago 3
Well I disagree but I guess that's the beauty of opinion.
I'm also a big Nas fan and Nas' best doesn't even touch the sides of Em's best.
He's never created an album as dark, manic and artistically interesting as The Marshall Mathers LP.
Neither has he created an album as personal, lyrical and socially conscious as The Eminem Show.
Eminem can do what they can do but they can't do what he can do. He's the best. IMO.
Agree to disagree.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Naa im gonna change your mind lol, its my job Hip Hop is my life, Now by the dark in that way, only people like ICP create that kinda dark, bt also Em has never had an Album lyrically sound like Illmatic or It Was Written or Reasonable Doubt or Liquid Swords, or a bunch of other shit Em's albums arent great man, by no means.. If you'd honestly care to listen i'd give u a lot of Albums better than any Album Em made...He gets dark bt he cant fuck with Kweli or others, u arent really Familiar.
Eweezie415 2 years ago 2
No sorry man.
Like I've said to you. I am a huge Nas fan, I'm also a big Mos Def fan and YES I AM FAMILIAR WITH ALL GOOD LYRICISITS.
Please stop assuming I haven't heard these albums.
On Jay-Z. I'm not even going to comment because I think he's trash anyway. Not just in comparison to Em but in general.
On Illmatic - Relapse easily outdoes Illmatic if we're just talking rhymes.
If we're talking rhymes and concepts then The Slim Shady LP outdoes it.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Reasonable Doubt doesn't touch the sides of The Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show.
The closest to Eminem is Mos Def. But even he can't fuck with him, as just proven in the BET Cypher.
You can't change my mind, I've grew up on hip-hop, I'm in the same boat as you, we've just come to different conclusions.
My last word on this. I'm leaving now lol, bye.
EminemBase 2 years ago
But just to add one more thing.
He can't fuck with Kewli in terms of darkness? Are you kidding me lmao.
KIM man KIIIIIIM. It's the most fucked up song, nevermind rap song, it's an ultra-atmospheric, manical, shakespearian fucking monster.
EminemBase 2 years ago
Oh my lantaaa you noe nothing of Hip Hop, leave this talk quick fast, you r not in the same boat as me at all, Illmatic is 10x better than Relapse, Deja Vu is dope, but nowhere close to anything on Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt is 10X better than anything Em has made, thanks to the man on the screen a lot Premo...But dogg Jay-z is your fav rapper's fav rapper lemme just let u think about that, he and Redman r Em's fav... N Jigga is wayy raw, with every message u prove more n more u dont noe shit.