i agree with you deputy craig is the most damming evedience to this terrible crime some of the dallas c ops were in on it they told him to keep his mouth shut he was only doing his job but he paid with his life american people will solve this crime
@DennisSmith099 Yes - the cops had to be in on it - and somehow, this cooperation with the crime is connected with Officer Tippett's murder. Perhaps he had to be silenced like Oswald.
One more thing ..if I were going to assassinate a president, why would I do it at my JOB where everyone would know me? I'd pick an anonymous spot and ditch the gun afterwards.
who told the cops oswald was there man why was oswald on display for all the world to see why was oswald told by a reporter he was charged jfk murder why was oswald denied legal repreaentation why was oswald statements and interrigation with the cops never shown to the world oswald was very scared man he new they were going to get him he was meant to be shot tsbd then they tried to get him in the cinema so what do you think please no abuse
Simple. Olswald (unbenownst to him) was the patsy of it all. He was the cosen fall guy to take the rap for whoever was really responsible for the plot. (Why do you think Jack Ruby made sure to shoot him close up at point blank range to shut him up forever? Lee had way too much to say if he started to crack that would eventually get some highly important people in certain US Governmet depts. in hot scalding water). Like to make sure Pasty Lee would get the noose
The CIA branded him with this pretty nice neatly packaged incriminating profile
"Oswald had been unstable. He was hostile to all authority. He was unable to enter into meaningful relationships with people. He was committed to his own versions of Marxism and communism, and he was antagonistic to the United States."
For all we know Oswald may have never shot so much as a pop gun during this this most dreadful of Dallas daytime dramas. He was just set up to be in the
ideal place (probably just serving as a delivery boy of bullets or sniper parts or a backup gunsel, in case someone missed, who ironically never got a chance to fire a shot) at the right time to serve as a handy-dandy standby to easily get himself pinned guilty as the sole anti-American red assassin for investigations to get their man and call it a rap. A made-to-order (however too pat, too symetrical a case to be convincing) job to supposedly cover up & clench the matter.
Also, on this video (6:22), the police are looking for a man WITH a rifle. No car description was given, so the man was presumably walking around with a rifle?
I looked at Texas School Book Depository Employees - part 2 with testimony of 3 coworkers.
They were on 4th floor when they heard shots and saw the shooting. They then went up to the 5th floor. As there was a problem with the service elevator (3:13 on this video), they must have taken the stairs.
They should have seen or heard Oswald coming down the stairs as they were going up. They said they didn't hear anyone.
A 30-30 would be more consistent with the damage to Kennedy's head than the 6.5mm or the 7.65mm round. I've shot a Mauser, a Carcano as well as a 30-30 and I can tell you the Mauser and the Carcano don't do that kind of damage with surplus FMJ loads.
On the same token watching the footage of Kennedy being shot leads me to believe an exploding bullet was used. Surplus Military ammo doesn't do that kind of damage on impact!
I have solved the Kennedy assassination. I know an FBI agent and I told him and he said I'm the first person to ever conclude Kennedy was shot from the trunk. He said a Mossad agent was in the trunk. Many people knew he was going to be shot, but not many knew there was a shooter in the trunk. The fact Kennedy and Connolly was shot at the same time and the fact that the head shot on frame 313 you can see come from very low and exits out the top. The other shooters were just to frame Oswald.
You might have a factual video here. Who knows? But one thing is certain for me anyway, the number of grammatical errors and misspelled words doesn't build confidence or integrity in the subject. Never the less, I like it and I think you're onto something here. Back then I was 14, and I felt then that a lot of things were fishy that were being broadcast on tv.
@WizardOfChicamunga Yes, I know the errors, but my danish version was very popular, but no one outside Denmark understood a word of it and 'demanded' an english version. So this was made in a few days and maybe a bit hasty.
watch " strange deaths " video on youtube ;from 1963/67 18 deaths including hangings /shootings/stabbings/car accidents/people changing there verdicts after being shot (tippit witness)
I've noticed over the decades, that The Debunkers, NEVER have answers for The Theorists. only hate speech and accusations. genuine questions ridiculed , again, over the decades.
The investigaters performed test runs and it is entirely reasonable that LHO could have made it down there (from the 6th floor) and run into Baker in the time alloted. LHO didn't even need to run very fast. And if LHO was so innocent why does he flee and kill a cop 45 minutes later. So there are a few inconsistancies (no one was looking at their watches). That's to be expected. All credible evidence points to Oswald as being the lone gunman. Patsy, my foot! Nice ominous soundtrack, however!
@abennett4 Whoever was on the grassy knoll. From the motion of Kennedy's head it's obvious thanks to physics that it was impossible for a bullet to hit him where it did like it did from that flat above and behind him.
@bengaylor873 Ballistic tests showed all bullets and bullet fragments were fired from Oswald’s rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles. Eyewitnesses placed a shooter in the sixth floor of the TSBD (not a single credible witness saw a shooter in the knoll). Police found the snipers nest, with three spent cartridges on the floor, at the exact location where the eyewitnesses saw the shooter. Oswald's prints were all over the boxes. to be continued...
@bengaylor873 A “jet-effect” (demonstrated experimentally) caused Kennedy’s back-left head movement. All three autopsy surgeons (working in an open in amphitheater) concluded that Kennedy was shot from, and only from, behind. This was the conclusion, not only of the Warren Commission, but the Ramsey Clark Panel Analysis (1968), the Rockefeller Commission analysis (1975) and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1979). See "John F. Kennedy autopsy" on wikipedia.
@bengaylor873 All the evidence and, yes, the physics suggest that Kennedy was shot from the TSBD. You have Oswald's rifle, the sniper's nest, spent shell casings, fingerprints, the ballistics that prove the bullets came from Oswald's rifle, physicists testified about the jet-effect, Oswald had no alibi, Oswald is the lone employee who fled, he shoots and kills a cop, he trys to shoot another after sneaking into the Texas Theatre, provable lies during interrogation, the list goes on and on...
@bengaylor873 forgot to mention the several eyewitnesses who saw a man with a rifle on the sixth floor (how would these witnesses have known that where they saw the shooter would be exactly where they would later find the sniper's nest). Vincent Bugliosi (in Reclaiming History) lays out 53 separate pieces of evidence pointing irresitably to Oswald's guilt. Only in a fantasy world could an innocent person have 53 pieces of evidence pointing to his quilt.
@abennett4 on the other side of the scale you have zero pieces of credible evidence pointing to anyone other than Oswald. No credible eyewitnesses, no bullet fragments (the only bullet fragments were in FRONT of Kennedy) or bullets. If you look at frame 313 (the head shot) of the Zapruder film (and also the Maria Muchmore photo at the same instance) all the brain, blood and tissue is upwards and forward. Some have also theorized neurological spasm also contributed to the later head movement.
@abennett4 I beg to differ on no other credible witnesses. It's on record that there were at least 50 witnesses who claim a shot also came from the grassy knoll. I guess you haven't seriously looked into it other than mainstream history.
@bengaylor873 a number thought they heard something from the knoll but can you name a single credible witness who saw anyone shooting from there? Some witnesses' (e.g.. Jean Hill, the Lady in Red) accounts have "evolved" (to put it politely) over time. None of their stories hold up under scrutiny A great majority of the witnesses heard three or fewer shots and a great majority heard shots only coming from the TSBD.
@bengaylor873 Arnold didn’t first tell his story (Earl Golz, Dallas Morning News) until 15 years after the assassination . He said he had an encounter with the Secret Service (“conveniently” this story later changed to CIA). He said he was up on the knoll, “hit the dirt” and was accosted by police for his film. He said he didn’t come forward earlier because he had heard witnesses were dying mysterious deaths. This is an unmeritorious argument since the myth about deaths didn't start until 1966.
@bengaylor873 Also, perhaps more important, none of the many pictures and film show Arnold where he said he was. Many witnesses testified to the Warren Commission (and the HSCA) about events on the knoll. None saw the encounter Arnold described. For the BBC The Men Who Killed Kennedy (1988)he used a rather curious (for someone who was really there) way of expressing his presensence on the knoll. He said, "There is no doubt, in my mind, I was there"; emphasis on "in my mind".
@abennett4 It seemsto me that he was just trying to stress his clarity of the situation. I definately think it is a prime example of a shadow government coup, comparable to the fall of Rome with Caesar.
@bengaylor873 Clarity? He said nothing for 15 years. That's 15 YEARS. Then he changed his story significantly 13 years later for The Men Who Shot Kennedy in a desparate attempt to make hi story stick with known facts. If that's not enough, there are no pictures of him on the knoll. It you want to believe in a conspiracy, go ahead. Its been 48 years and no one (police, FBI, CIA, Secret Service, credible witnesses, investigators, Mob, CIA.). Three people can keep a secret; if two of them are dead!
@bengaylor873 Fear of scrutiny, fear of death and then death itself. Those things were used by a powerful enough presence (a presence you realize is there when you try to go swim against the current of the international bankers) to hush, silence and isolate the Amercian people from the truth, and that truth was we were trojan horsed.
I don't accuse Mrs Ruth Paine of something. But she is a strange woman. Let her have some 'hard' questions about that day in Dallas - with a 'lying detector (or what you call it). She has nothing to fear if she is innocent.
It's like some guy coming home and finding his wife in bed naked with another man and she says "Oh it's not what you think honey. He fixes mattreses, I was just helping him test to ensure the padding was ok. He said if we had our clothes on the weight would be off". And then the guy says "I'm so ashamed I actually thought you were cheating on me."
..motive or reason for the assassination. I man who's cheek tested negative for nitrate residue. The top 2 acoustic research firms on earth confirmed a shot from the Grassy knoll, I mean it just goes on and on and on. And yet somehow they can dismiss ALL of this with and see no problem or inconsistency. It truly boggles the mind.
What irritates me about these single shooter nutjobs is how completely lacking in common sense they are. You would have to have a man who could out perform the FBI's best sharp shooters, run down 5 flights of stairs in 90 seconds and not even be out of breath or nervous. The pristine bullet could not be duplicated in all 100 army tests done for the WC. The trajectory is all wrong necessistating the fancy physics touted by livermore labs. The head snap back and to the left, a complete lack of ...
Turly just reacted like any officer in a crisis would: he acted first and thought later. It just seemed reasonable to look for a person who was at the scene of the crime and later went missing. Of course he probably assumed Oswald would be nearby, but as an officer he needed to find that missing person.
This video is also deceptive in indicating that Jesse Curry had no idea how they got the description of the suspected shooter out so quickly. How could he have known? He played no role in that.
Yet, the Warren Comm. testimony is quite clear how that information fell into police hands. There were witnesses! Some of them actually SAW the shooter in the 6th floor window. One of those witnesses was Howard Brennan. He described, to the best of his ability, what he saw. There was no mystery at all.
This video is misleading in many areas. The police radio broadcast with a description was sent out BEFORE it was widely known that Oswald was missing. At that time, they were NOT specifically looking for Oswald.
The reenactments of the trek from the 6th floor sniper's nest to the 2nd floor did NOT require particularly fast movement - contrary to what Roy Truly says in this video. It was easily done at a relatively moderate pace.
Cont..sadnes for him. This all seems like a military black op job. The shooting itself was done near perfect, but everything else seemed sloppy, and then Abraham Zapruder had to go and shoot that home movie, totally ruining the plotters lone nut case. They also forgot, that there were intelligent, free thinking individuals, who would ask and ask and ask, and keep asking, and never believe the fiction, that is the warren report. Watch Gary Shaw and John Stockwell, on youtube,..........
Cont...like, 'let's meet at our usual place, i'll find out what's going on, and tell you when we meet up, i'll bring money, don't worry'. But when the police showed up at the movie theatre, he must've realised he had probably been dangled like a fool, for the wolves to come in. I wonder if cold tingle of fear went up his spine, when he was getting no legal help, was being questioned for hours, with no help. I wonder if he knew he might not make it out....i feel the greatest sense of sadness
I've been thinking maybe Oswald was told to infiltrate a poss assass group, that turned out to be the real groupe who killed Kennedy. He was poss a low grade supervisory infiltrator, as he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He probably tried to warn the govt about an oncoming plot, but it was ignored. He prob called his own superior after the job was done, maybe realising something was totally wrong, or maybe not figuring he was to be the patsy. His CIA superior might have said something cont...
@ChiroQuacker Um, have you ever watched the Zapruder film?, also, there is an audio recording of one of the motorcyle riders, dictotapes, that accidentially recorded the shots. There were 4 shots in all. NOT 3. So, how did Oswald make 4 shots. Why were at least 50 people saying that they heard shots coming from the knoll?, why did Oswald suddenly magic himself in a millionth of a second to the knoll to do the fatal shot. If you watch the Zapruder film, and look at the bullet tragectory..
even owsalds brother..robert..who went to see lee harvey in his jail cell and spoke with him eye to eye..man to man...robert oswald says his brother did it..alone..i believe him
Helmer......these are great videos that you have. Great subtitled style and perfect music. Nice, dark, and informative, and to the point. Compelling and spellbinding. Much to like.
The wound to JFK Back!!! WC member Gerald Ford has admitted that he altered the evidence. That is a fact. It is verified by FBI agent James W. Sibert. That is a fact. That makes the "magic bullet" theory impossible. youtube.com/watch?v=d9qjPnCBzHw
Every Doctor who operated on JFK in Dallas indicated a large hole in the rear of his head, consistent with a shot from the front. You are unaware of this information, and yet act so condescending!
Are there any conspiracy advocates that could make a list for me of five or ten actual pieces of evidence uncovered in five decades of exhaustive research that proves that Oswald did not murder Kennedy all by himself? Now please keep in mind I am not looking for a list of five questions. This is the standard tactic of conspiracy kooks--to ask questions. What I would like to see are five or ten actual, physical, facts that establish their beliefs in a conspiracy. I'll wait for your responses.
The wound to JFK Back!!! WC member Gerald Ford has admitted that he altered the evidence. That is a fact. It is verified by FBI agent James W. Sibert. That is a fact. That makes the "magic bullet" theory impossible. youtube.com/watch?v=d9qjPnCBzHw
Every Doctor who operated on JFK in Dallas indicated a large hole in the rear of his head, consistent with a shot from the front. You are unaware of this information, and yet act so condescending!
The back wound... 5-6 inches below the "drawing" provided by the WC. You have 2 B mentally retarded to base your conclusions off of drawings. Gerald Ford has since admitted to altering the evidence to make the single bullet theory possible.
The Dallas Doctors all describing a large exit wound in the back of JFK skull.
The limo windshield with the bullet hole
80% of the witnesses on the scene reporting hearing/seeing gun shots not from the TSBD.
@ptownkid81 Again, do you have any pieces of evidence to support that? As far as the "large" exit wound in the back of his head, can you explain the blood spray coming from the front of Kennedys head? and the fact his head goes forward first, then back on the fatal shot. Facts, just the facts.
Warren Commission Exhibit No. 3050- "The Dallas Police department did a thorough investigation of the attempted assassination of Maj Gen Edwin Walker and that Lee Harvey Oswald had NEVER been considered a suspect." Police Chief Jesse Curry.
An eyewitness saw TWO men at the scene of the shooting,neither was Oswald.
Any of you conspiracists realize that Oswald tried to kill an army general aprox a month before the kennedy killing? I'm sure you didn't..This guy had no problem killing people, including Kennedy....
@kennedy147 But all reasonable evidence points to him being a lone gunman. It's probably also why a conspiracy, or any real motive could never be proved. The lone gunman simply confounded any attempts to that end.
@aalhazzred He was there earlier. The fact that he lunched on chicken wings at the 6th floor clearly shows he was prepared to wait. And naturally he would have assumed that no schedule ever is on time.
@aalhazzred Actually the Kennedy motorcade was a full 20 minutes late. Kennedy was scheduled to being speaking at the trade mart @ 12:30 and his car was supposed to go by the TSBD at around 12:10 (published in Dallas papers). Oswald, according to the WC was eating his lunch when Kennedy as supposed to pass through dealy plaza. But if anyone thinks it wasn't a conspiracy is already so stupid even obvious facts won't change their mind, trust me, I've tried.
@grettoz Wow you are really a nutjob to believe in that crazy lonespiracy theory of the lone gunman, unaided. Youre such a stupid hack whore to assert that, and you know you are part of a tiny minority of poeple still clinging to that heinous view, who by ideological constraints imposed upon your mind by the genetic russian roullette of blind chance being born with too few neurons, or with a barrow of apples to push, well known, dont upset them. Fucking idiot nutback beaner ballsack.
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@uranorexic not one bit of this is factual. You need to quit calling other people morons, and bone up on the facts. You are out of your league here, buddy.
lee harvey oswald passed a parafin gunpowder residue test in dallas which proved that he had not fired a shoulder fired weapon that day!!period...end of story!!he was not a shooter that day!charles nicoletti,ed files,harrelson,e.howard hunt...david morales,frank sturgis ,eugene hale braden kand larry florer are just a few of the shooters...and a man in the trunk of the limosine with a pistol shot "JFK" in the back and the bullet came out the throat!
dude your all mixed up!! the tests on his hands proved positive, but the 1st test on his cheek proved negative? then subsequent tests on his cheek gave conflicting results.. check it out dude...
@uranorexic Rock solid evidence my arse. You don't even know what rock solid evidence is. Did anyone actually see Oswald fire the Carcano from the 6th floor window...? No....? Ok, so there is NO evidence that he did.
@uranorexic My, My, temper, temper. Actually yes I was at the 6th floor museum a week and a half ago actually. And FYI I've shot competition and hunted with bolt action rifles for years. It's practically impossible to fire 3 aimed bolt-action shots in the time the Warren comission suggested Oswald took, at a moving target through heavy foliage (Ever noticed the Texas live oak tree with all the leaves blocking Oswalds view??) Matter of fact, I have my doubts that you've even been to dealey Plaza?
Moron... How could it take someone even 90 seconds to fire three aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the book depository, sprint down 4 flights of stairs past other TSBD employees who never see him, get a coke out of the machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and show up cool, calm and collected in front of a Dallas Police Officer?? Use your common sense, fool!!
Moron... There were other TSBD employees in the building at the same time... Perhaps they were not allowed out to watch the Motorcade? Ever think of that??
Moreover, how would a man be able to fire 3 aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the Depository run down four flights of stairs, get a coke out of a machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and appear cool calm and collected in front of Baker??
Moron... There were other TSBD employees in the building at the same time... Perhaps they were not allowed out to watch the Motorcade? Ever think of that??
Moreover, how would a man be able to fire 3 aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the Depository run down four flights of stairs, get a coke out of a machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and appear cool calm and collected in front of Baker???
I'm still angry @ Buell Wesley Frazier's sister. She was supposed to pick me up @ my rooming house & take me to David Ferrie's getaway plane. Instead she sent Tippit & he tried to arrest me with fame & fortune on his mind. Clay was a good man though.. he tried to get me some legal assistance bit then Jada manipulated ruby to come and take me out. Jack was very jealous over what jada and i had. We weren't BFF's anymore and he was hurt by it. Demohrenschildt was my new BF but called me hillbilly.
That's the difference between the 2 points of view.
The conspiracy theorist just ask questions.
The people that realize Oswald acted alone?...They give the answers.
Next step in the discussion?, the conspiracy theorist like "licoricerin" just IGNORES the answers and seamlessly moves on to a different topic to start asking more questions.
The doctor that DIDNT work on Connally's thigh wound said the bullet was lodged in his leg. Therefore the surgeon that closed the wound, the attending physicians, nurses and John and Nellie Connally THEMSELVES are part of the coverup!
You can cling to premature reports, have someone interpret for you what people readily admit they didn't examine, accept anything that's the product of a paid interview or lucrative book deal...5 days from now, 5 years from now or 5 DECADES from now, the conspiracy theorist will never have a 2nd shooter, never have a 2nd gun, never have a bullet tied to a weapon other than Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano, never have a motive, never have plotters and never have a conspiracy.
@pajasa62 uh actually i got this from the live tv coverage THE DAY of the assassination. billy newman and his wife and wfaa news anchor were all witnesses. and they all 3 said they heard the shots come from the grassy gnoll. and yes there was a second gun i actually have live coverage of that report as well.
Jay Watson and Jerry Haynes both said there were 3 shots and they sounded the same (same source, same location)
Garry Mack conducted refiring from various locations in Dealey Plaza...obviously KNOWING that shots would be fired from the TSBD and with and even WITHOUT similiar noise (motorcycles rumbling) everyone had trouble IDing the shots from the TSBD because of its unusual height. They could only ID them from elevated floors on Houston Street!!!!
@pajasa62 actually the conspiracy is this. he was never tried and convicted by a jury of his peers. by definition and by the constitution he remains innocent
@pajasa62 hmmm still haven't heard you explain why all the cops ran to the railroad tracks and the radio call from curry saying get people over to the railroad tracks now to see what has happened. now the witnesses are lying and being paid off the news anchors are lying. everyone is to blame except the government. you want to see how reliable their reports are pick up the 9-11 commission report sometime. hell they never even mentioned building 7. but yea
@pajasa62 no it's more or less futile. like i said the proof is there but your answers are always AH THE WITNESSES WANT MONEY. AH BOOK DEAL AH MOVIE DEAL. to what you can't answer you just scream ah money hungry. you're a sheep it's sad pathetic and sick
How's this...that's where the ACTION HAPPENED. That's where at least 9 people where laying on the ground! Most of the people there didn't know JFK was shot even after the 2nd shot!
Curry and Decker are in the closed-roof lead car knew there was commotion...What were their orders??? "Get a man on top of that overpass..." and "Move all men out of my departartment in the railroad yard area to try to determine if and what happened...hold everything secure..."
@pajasa62 so actually the proof i have is not anyone with anything to gain. they are news anchors doing their damn job. not writing fucking books and making movies. 45 yrs later bill newman was on the news again along with his wife and after giving his eyewitness account several times that day the DAY OF the assassination saying the shots came from behind him on the gnoll he changed his story. he said he was afraid to what might happen to him because of what him and his wife saw
@pajasa62 yeah what u said is true but those were all briefly reported & during the chaos of that day is reasonable the media would screw up. LBJ was said2 be treated for shock and the SS agent was widely reported. but the german mauser was reported by all 3 networks for more then 24hrs then randomly changes when more info is released on oswald. but that wouldnt help the official story. it wasnt just oswald alone and he wasnt a loner. had a wife2 kids rich friends, 3bros and mother+ work friends
Exactly. Those other events were ABLE to be corrected fairly quickly...and the rifle was not (for no sinister reason) NOT available for correction. Do you think it made a bit of difference to the Dallas Police at that early stage? And let's be honest about this...conspiracy theorist act like the difference between the 2 was like comparing a Volkswagon and a Cadillac...CBS-TV in June '67 showed the 2 types of rifles side by side showing virtually no difference between them!
Being a loner doesnt mean you live in a cave. There are loners that "function" in society.
Regarding the people you mentioned...deMohrenschildt wasn't even living in the US anymore, the Oswald's were then estranged from the local Russian community, Ruth Paine takes in a woman 8 MONTHS pregnant whose husband just received his last unemployment check...LHO hadn't seen his brothers or his mother for a YEAR prior & he wanted to send Marina back to the USSR!
You say you've have WFAA's coverage (that's good) See when Bert Shipp talks about the Tom Alyea film thrown out of the TSBD window as the MEDIA was sealed in the building following the investigators around? In 47 years of the Alyea film with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has been able to point out characteristics of it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
@pajasa62 omg you government puppet you are giving me a headache. keep believing the bullshit the government shoves down your throat. even soldiers are starting to wake up and realize the government are nothing but a bunch of lying terrorists. you're more brainwashed then they are. not only is it sad and pathetic it is just sick
@pajasa62 oh that clip is from news clips. not YOUR PAID WITNESSES THAT JUST WANT MONEY FROM BOOKS AND MOVIES.....PREMATURE evidence? the gun had mauser stamped on the damn gun and it took them a day and 1/2 to realize it wasn't a mauser? wtf
@pajasa62 oh and don't watch the news clip please might be evidence you might not be able to explain with OMG THEY ARE TRYING TO GET A MOVIE OR BOOK DEAL. OR OMG PREMATURE REPORTS
"you're sad pathetic bored lonely middle age man"
You gotta love it... the discussion is going south on this "licoricerain" guy so ALL he can offer is personal insults behind the safety of his key pad....probably wearing flip-flops as he's doing it.
@pajasa62 at least get my gender right. google jfk 2. there were 13 bullets fired. 100% of the doctors that examined jfk ,MA'AM, (since you want to call me a he) said the entrance wound was from the front temple exited from the back. are you aware a 3rd bystander under the triple under pass was wounded on the cheek? i've done 3 tours in iraq so don't sit here and try to lecture me on guns and bullet trajectory
@pajasa62 but don't let me take you away from your denial. 3 neatly lined up spent brass and a rifle that didn't even match the bullets found caused 7 wounds? holy hell what a shot oswald was and nevermind that how sturdy they made bullets those days to cause ALL that damage and come out fine in one piece on connelys stretcher!!
@pajasa62 oh let me further ruin your lame pathetic life by informing you that there was a statement from doctors after the president was pronounced dead and connely was in the ER that the doctor said the bullet that caused all that damage had yet to be removed from connelys leg!!! not only is it amazingly sturdy and oswald is a fucking AMAZING marksmen to say the VERY least. that bullet is so magic it can be in 2 places at once!! IN connelys leg AND on his stretcher. AMAZING!!!
"The Dr. said the bullet had yet to be removed from Connally's leg"
Who said that? Dr. Shaw , A THORACIC surgeon (working only on JC chest wound) Who worked on Connally? Dr. Gregory.
You want to pass yourself off as a "deep thinker"? Deep think this- How does your statement play out AFTER it was said (after 11/22)? Given the high profile of events was Dr. Gregory, Connally's attending physicians, the nurses, John and Nellie Connally all part of the plot? Did they get amnesia?
@pajasa62 they still to this day (all 6 drs) say he was shot in the temple. and i'm sure they told the fbi, cia, ss, that doesn't mean they announced it. actually it WAS announced to begin with. kennedy's assistant press sec gave the statement and pointed to his temple when saying the president was shot. original reports said shot IN THE TEMPLE
"To this day all 6 doctors say he was shot in the temple"
Typical more BULLSHIT.
Malcolm Perry definitely NEVER said that and for 4 other doctors maybe watch the 1988 PBS special "NOVA" where 4 of the Parkland doctors get permission from the Kennedy family THEMSELVES to view (and REAFFIRM) the autopsy pictures and x-rays...THEY SAY NOTHING about a temple entrance shot.(and given the questions they obviously would have)
@pajasa62 google jfk II and the doctors say HIS ORIGINAL DOCTORS SAY it was a temple shot. you're ignoring the proof i give why should i pay you the courtesy of paying attention to your bullshit made up out of thin air government account?
Again, the conspiracy theorist clings to a premature report when the Parkland doctors readily admitted that they did not examine the head wound.
Malcolm Perry (CBS- TV,June 1967) We were not concern with how this happened or why, if a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little difference to us."
Dr. Jenkins on examining the head wound "...we had the 1st Lady standing over us, I think it would have been a bit sacriligious"
@pajasa62 as i said and which you obviously never did google jfk II and the doctors all say the same thing. there is again the proof but omg it is like you're afraid to find out the truth
Curious as to why the list EXCLUDES so much. (The Warren Commission index has 25,000 names) But inside & outside the Warren Commission why were the most VOCAL people spared? eg. Jean Hill, SM Holland, Beverly Oliver, Gordon Arnold, Madeline Brown. How about those people that spent YEARS investigating a conspiracy? Lifton, Lane, Jones, Epstein,Thompson, Garrison & staff? What, no good?
Lee Bowers? YEAH, let's kill him with a low-probabilty chance car accident.
@pajasa62 and all your witnesses are government paid. the same people that assassinated the president. another thing that was confirmed but later recanted was a SSA was also shot and murdered. yes but witnesses that don't work for the government and have nothing to gain are the liars.
@pajasa62 so let me put all this in perspective since you are attacking us that DON'T believe oswald did this alone. you believe the government report. which on the DAY of the assassination said ONE bullet caused 7 wounds and had yet to be removed from connelys leg yet somehow magically came out without any blood or unscratched .
@pajasa62 on his stretcher. that a report of ONE gun (later recanted by the newscasters) magically turned into a second gun and oswald was murdered by jack ruby WHILE IN POLICE custody AND HANDCUFFED TO A COP WHO SAID HE SAW RUBY HAD A GUN yet somehow no one else did? yes i can see how you think no one in the government could be involved everything they said and did was so reliable!!!
@pajasa62 watch?v=v-x38xsuzio&playnext_from=TL&videos=CD8b0NBSRXQ they were under the triple underpass the gunshot came from BEHIND them and he said he saw it hit the president DIRECTLY IN THE TEMPLE about 6 mins into the interview. now this was what they saw before they were questioned by anyone else this is the 1st news of it. they both say the police were running TOWARDS the railroad tracks. why were the cops running towards there if they didn't hear gunfire?
@pajasa62 you want to argue with facts? argue with those. like it or not the government made one screw up after another yet you refuse to believe they are anything less then honest when there are dozens of witnesses (most of ended up dying of tragic accidents) that dispute what the government says that have nothing to gain. oh and i might want to point out the jfk 2 maker is neither money hungry since he is letting the public view it on google FREE or an amateur
The original thrust of this? A London Times headline...ehhh. THAT WAS RETRACTED because it was a statistical JOKE as presented. (Shockingly the retraction didn't carry as much weight in the conspiracy community) Meanwhile the list is padded with a bunch of NOBODIES! Any fat 75 year old having a heart attack is listed as "suspicious" as if something SCARED the fat fuck so much his heart gave out...Give me a break!
@pajasa62 i have a page full of 170+ ppl that died that were linked to the kennedy assassination. look them up for yourself. all you have to do is use google. L.E.Bowers was ran into a road barrier by a black car. just to name 1. 3 out of 5 men in rubys apartment were murdered. 2 shot 1 of a heart attack. hell even connelly changed his story.
@pajasa62 oh i might also want to add that your totally SQUEAKY clean government has 2 different cops admitting to wrestling the gun away from LHO and punching him in the eye. WTF?? 2 cops claim to be the SOLE captor of LHO telling the same story of wrestling the gun away from him and punching him in the eye? no no they couldn't have been involved their stories are too consistant and too reliable
@pajasa62 oh wait he did all that with 2 bullets. even your oh so honest government admits in their VERY RELIABLE OFFICIAL REPORT the 1st shot MISSED.
By the time the cops arrived, Oswald had done his job. Like hellooooo! He had just assassinated the prez., he needed to exit the building. He met the cops near the lunchroom, he most likely casually bought a coke, then took off! Not a big mystery.
@Megawatts121 - You're totally right. It was Oswald - he was just the type of person to do what he DID DO. Later, that same day, Oswald is seen 'sneaking' into a movie theatre without paying for a ticket and he was armed with a gun that was used to kill Officer Tippet. Additionally; people in Dealy Plaza actually saw Oswald do it from where they were standing and gave the ID to the police of the white male, etc, etc, etc. He did it - case closed! (He's not an American Hero, after all)!
I'm so happy to talk to someone whe has kept his or her composure in all this. The researchers, writers etc. in this matter have no concept of writing the truth. they just want to sell books and videos, disregarding the fact that a journalist is there to get to the facts. I spent a week in Dallas studying the facts. What the storytellers do is simply hide facts and evidence. I'm Canadian, I can tell you this.. In Canada, he would have been found guilty very early in the trial.
Howard Brennan gave Oswald's description to offficers outside the book despository building. The windows of the building are close to the floor, so you can see an almost complete figure if squatting in the window as Oswald was. This is based on the case evidence.
I know a man, his name is Lee Harvey Oswald. He is perfect. I sugest that he will be offered a job in the TSBD. He is a soldier, and he is used to obey order. He is a little bit strange as a person. That's why he is perfect for this job.
When the D-Day is there, tell LHO: "If the police will by surprice put you in jail. Don't say anything-that's an order! Then we to a 100% will set you free. Because we have that power. Understand?
Im a british cop and the whole thing stinks, if they thought oswald was the suspect they would have swamped his home address with officers..hed just killed the president!!! even if they Guessed it was him?? the only lead in the murder of the centuary.There are so many "errors" and Coincedances in this it stinks, I'd be mas as hell if I was Amercian, mind we got David Kelly "suicide" a couple of years back and that stinks to.
We know what the british have brought forth for finding the truth :
Nigel Turner :
After accusing 3 individuals of being 'Corsican Hit Men' , reporters found one named Pironti , then a 80ish frail retiree living in France . Asked why he (Turner) didn't interview Pironti before making the allegations he responded : "I thought it would be too dangerous".
Hehehehehe ! What a hooter !
The list of criminal types is apparently endless .
@cdddraftsman give it up draftsman......this was apro hit...you r in a big denial for some reson about this....same people who hit jfk took out rfk...same cast of characters.........
Chairman Stokes : "Marina was now certain that Lee was guilty. She saw his guilt in his eyes & had he been innocent, he would have been screaming to high heaven for his rights, claiming he'd been mistreated & demanding to see officials at the very highest levels. The fact he was so compliant, told her he was being treated all right, was a sign that he was guilty."
Chairman Stokes : "Did you tell Miss Johnson that?
@cdddraftsman he complained about everything pertaining to his rights including the bogus lineup he was placed in...he was probably more in a state of shock realizing he was the patsy.....
@cdddraftsman UUUMMM ruby buttered his way to find the right moment to carry out his deed.......answer this one...why was ruby in on a press conferemnce and even asked a question of oswald.....how did this happen when all the police knew who he was?
HOW could Oswald know the motorcade was running late? Being seen in the lunchroom 10-15 min before the motorcade means Oswald wasn't acting like a sniper, ie. alert, in position, ready and waiting for his target. The inability of Chief Currey to explain how the suspect ID originated is VERY suspicious. As does the description matching Oswald's army records, NOT his actual current appearance. Officer Tippet's strange behavior is suspicious also, as if he was ordered to find & shoot Oswald.
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Why the need to exaggerate about the timing of Oswald being seen in the lunchroom? Yet of course that fact Ruby was making at Western Union 4 minutes before he shoots Oswald and over an hour after Oswald was scheduled to be transfered THAT is no problem to conspiracy theorists.
If you ever hear the police transmissions, Howard Brennan is being referred to 5 MINUTES after the shoots & he gave a GENERAL description.
"Tippet ordered to find and shoot Oswald?...that's nonsense out of thin air.
It is a reasonable assumption to make with the facts that we have( in my opinion). Yea Howard Brennan described the suspect, but the man was kneeling next to a half open window. How did he get his height and his weight?? That is non sense in my opinion. There were several shooters and that is apparent.
Whenever the cops ask regarding a subject's description, they would ask JUST THAT! "About how tall or how much do you THINK he weighed". Look at the age description "30"...Oswald was 24. It's a general description. Sit where Brennan was sitting in Dealey Plaza & look at someone looking out of the window at the 6th Floor Museum...You can make out what the person looks like.
You say "there were several shooters"
Shooters no one saw - using rifles no one saw - firing bullets never recovered.
@pajasa62 -- Well, that's not correct; Several witnesses claimed to see 2 men, one at the TSBD western corner window where a photo enhancement appears to substantiate someone holding a rifle with a light right above their shoulder. And there were numerous reports of additional bullets recovered but never recorded, as well as at least 2 complete misses, and windshield & chrome trim deflection damage observed by several people at the hospital, & testimony by windshield replacement tech.
Are you kidding me? Do you want the details of their statements?...JUST ASK ME.
"additional bullets recovered"?
Yep, the plotters had 100 or so police, agents and investigators in Dealey Plaza just casually go along with the plot...Please!.
Everything else you said was the product of PAID interviews & authors helping out their lucrative book deals. To make ANY of them work you have to have DOZENS of people going along with a plot for EACH instance.
Look my friend, these are just people making claims on shockumentaries they are profitting on...nothing more. Do you think it's been KNOWN for 47 years what is being claimed?
A 6.5mm round can hit a target 650 yards away, so any missed bullet could richocet 100's and 100's of yards in ANY direction...so EVERY cop and investigator in Dealey Plaza is in on the plot? Just "going along" with the conspiracy that could land them in the electric chair?
@pajasa62 they aren't "just making claims" if you bothered to watch it you'd see the guy putting the bullets in his pocket. it's called PROOF MY FRIEND. what about the dozens of witnesses that saw shots coming from the picket fence? and how in the hell is money being made off of these when they are posted and we a
i agree with you deputy craig is the most damming evedience to this terrible crime some of the dallas c ops were in on it they told him to keep his mouth shut he was only doing his job but he paid with his life american people will solve this crime
DennisSmith099 1 month ago
@DennisSmith099 Yes - the cops had to be in on it - and somehow, this cooperation with the crime is connected with Officer Tippett's murder. Perhaps he had to be silenced like Oswald.
en0passanted 1 month ago
One more thing ..if I were going to assassinate a president, why would I do it at my JOB where everyone would know me? I'd pick an anonymous spot and ditch the gun afterwards.
en0passanted 1 month ago
who told the cops oswald was there man why was oswald on display for all the world to see why was oswald told by a reporter he was charged jfk murder why was oswald denied legal repreaentation why was oswald statements and interrigation with the cops never shown to the world oswald was very scared man he new they were going to get him he was meant to be shot tsbd then they tried to get him in the cinema so what do you think please no abuse
DennisSmith099 1 month ago
@DennisSmith099 I agree with everything you wrote here.
The ID on Oswald is key.
At 7:07 police chief said they knew it was Oswald.
If so, why was no police car sent to Oswald's rooming house? How could he have been seen armed if he left his rifle on 6th floor?
en0passanted 1 month ago
@DennisSmith099
Simple. Olswald (unbenownst to him) was the patsy of it all. He was the cosen fall guy to take the rap for whoever was really responsible for the plot. (Why do you think Jack Ruby made sure to shoot him close up at point blank range to shut him up forever? Lee had way too much to say if he started to crack that would eventually get some highly important people in certain US Governmet depts. in hot scalding water). Like to make sure Pasty Lee would get the noose
SwarthySkinnedOne 4 days ago
@Swarthy
The CIA branded him with this pretty nice neatly packaged incriminating profile
"Oswald had been unstable. He was hostile to all authority. He was unable to enter into meaningful relationships with people. He was committed to his own versions of Marxism and communism, and he was antagonistic to the United States."
For all we know Oswald may have never shot so much as a pop gun during this this most dreadful of Dallas daytime dramas. He was just set up to be in the
SwarthySkinnedOne 4 days ago
ideal place (probably just serving as a delivery boy of bullets or sniper parts or a backup gunsel, in case someone missed, who ironically never got a chance to fire a shot) at the right time to serve as a handy-dandy standby to easily get himself pinned guilty as the sole anti-American red assassin for investigations to get their man and call it a rap. A made-to-order (however too pat, too symetrical a case to be convincing) job to supposedly cover up & clench the matter.
SwarthySkinnedOne 4 days ago
Also, on this video (6:22), the police are looking for a man WITH a rifle. No car description was given, so the man was presumably walking around with a rifle?
en0passanted 1 month ago
Mange tak skal de hav - videos er viduderligt!
I looked at Texas School Book Depository Employees - part 2 with testimony of 3 coworkers.
They were on 4th floor when they heard shots and saw the shooting. They then went up to the 5th floor. As there was a problem with the service elevator (3:13 on this video), they must have taken the stairs.
They should have seen or heard Oswald coming down the stairs as they were going up. They said they didn't hear anyone.
en0passanted 1 month ago
A 30-30 would be more consistent with the damage to Kennedy's head than the 6.5mm or the 7.65mm round. I've shot a Mauser, a Carcano as well as a 30-30 and I can tell you the Mauser and the Carcano don't do that kind of damage with surplus FMJ loads.
On the same token watching the footage of Kennedy being shot leads me to believe an exploding bullet was used. Surplus Military ammo doesn't do that kind of damage on impact!
rooftopeagle 3 months ago
I am reading the Warren Commission report and it does not say that Truly told the police that Oswald was missing.....
iloveumyra 3 months ago
I have solved the Kennedy assassination. I know an FBI agent and I told him and he said I'm the first person to ever conclude Kennedy was shot from the trunk. He said a Mossad agent was in the trunk. Many people knew he was going to be shot, but not many knew there was a shooter in the trunk. The fact Kennedy and Connolly was shot at the same time and the fact that the head shot on frame 313 you can see come from very low and exits out the top. The other shooters were just to frame Oswald.
amerikaiscommunist 3 months ago
You might have a factual video here. Who knows? But one thing is certain for me anyway, the number of grammatical errors and misspelled words doesn't build confidence or integrity in the subject. Never the less, I like it and I think you're onto something here. Back then I was 14, and I felt then that a lot of things were fishy that were being broadcast on tv.
WizardOfChicamunga 4 months ago
@WizardOfChicamunga Yes, I know the errors, but my danish version was very popular, but no one outside Denmark understood a word of it and 'demanded' an english version. So this was made in a few days and maybe a bit hasty.
HelmerReenberg 4 months ago 2
@HelmerReenberg CONGRATULATIONS Helmer for your AWESOME Footages , .....seen & appreciated worldwide !!!!!
redtorso 3 months ago
@redtorso Thanks !
HelmerReenberg 3 months ago
watch " strange deaths " video on youtube ;from 1963/67 18 deaths including hangings /shootings/stabbings/car accidents/people changing there verdicts after being shot (tippit witness)
gentle7ways7 4 months ago
I've noticed over the decades, that The Debunkers, NEVER have answers for The Theorists. only hate speech and accusations. genuine questions ridiculed , again, over the decades.
TravellerFellow 4 months ago
The investigaters performed test runs and it is entirely reasonable that LHO could have made it down there (from the 6th floor) and run into Baker in the time alloted. LHO didn't even need to run very fast. And if LHO was so innocent why does he flee and kill a cop 45 minutes later. So there are a few inconsistancies (no one was looking at their watches). That's to be expected. All credible evidence points to Oswald as being the lone gunman. Patsy, my foot! Nice ominous soundtrack, however!
abennett4 5 months ago
@abennett4 Although I find what you say possible, I do not find it reasonable.
bengaylor873 5 months ago
@bengaylor873 Who else do you think was up there on the sixth floor shooting the president with Oswald's rifle?
abennett4 5 months ago
@abennett4 Whoever was on the grassy knoll. From the motion of Kennedy's head it's obvious thanks to physics that it was impossible for a bullet to hit him where it did like it did from that flat above and behind him.
bengaylor873 5 months ago
@bengaylor873 Ballistic tests showed all bullets and bullet fragments were fired from Oswald’s rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles. Eyewitnesses placed a shooter in the sixth floor of the TSBD (not a single credible witness saw a shooter in the knoll). Police found the snipers nest, with three spent cartridges on the floor, at the exact location where the eyewitnesses saw the shooter. Oswald's prints were all over the boxes. to be continued...
abennett4 5 months ago
@bengaylor873 A “jet-effect” (demonstrated experimentally) caused Kennedy’s back-left head movement. All three autopsy surgeons (working in an open in amphitheater) concluded that Kennedy was shot from, and only from, behind. This was the conclusion, not only of the Warren Commission, but the Ramsey Clark Panel Analysis (1968), the Rockefeller Commission analysis (1975) and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1979). See "John F. Kennedy autopsy" on wikipedia.
abennett4 5 months ago
@abennett4 So his head flew back and to the left because a bullet hit him from the back or from the front? Think about it.
bengaylor873 5 months ago
@bengaylor873 All the evidence and, yes, the physics suggest that Kennedy was shot from the TSBD. You have Oswald's rifle, the sniper's nest, spent shell casings, fingerprints, the ballistics that prove the bullets came from Oswald's rifle, physicists testified about the jet-effect, Oswald had no alibi, Oswald is the lone employee who fled, he shoots and kills a cop, he trys to shoot another after sneaking into the Texas Theatre, provable lies during interrogation, the list goes on and on...
abennett4 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 forgot to mention the several eyewitnesses who saw a man with a rifle on the sixth floor (how would these witnesses have known that where they saw the shooter would be exactly where they would later find the sniper's nest). Vincent Bugliosi (in Reclaiming History) lays out 53 separate pieces of evidence pointing irresitably to Oswald's guilt. Only in a fantasy world could an innocent person have 53 pieces of evidence pointing to his quilt.
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 on the other side of the scale you have zero pieces of credible evidence pointing to anyone other than Oswald. No credible eyewitnesses, no bullet fragments (the only bullet fragments were in FRONT of Kennedy) or bullets. If you look at frame 313 (the head shot) of the Zapruder film (and also the Maria Muchmore photo at the same instance) all the brain, blood and tissue is upwards and forward. Some have also theorized neurological spasm also contributed to the later head movement.
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 I beg to differ on no other credible witnesses. It's on record that there were at least 50 witnesses who claim a shot also came from the grassy knoll. I guess you haven't seriously looked into it other than mainstream history.
bengaylor873 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 a number thought they heard something from the knoll but can you name a single credible witness who saw anyone shooting from there? Some witnesses' (e.g.. Jean Hill, the Lady in Red) accounts have "evolved" (to put it politely) over time. None of their stories hold up under scrutiny A great majority of the witnesses heard three or fewer shots and a great majority heard shots only coming from the TSBD.
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 What about Gordon Arnold?
bengaylor873 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 Arnold didn’t first tell his story (Earl Golz, Dallas Morning News) until 15 years after the assassination . He said he had an encounter with the Secret Service (“conveniently” this story later changed to CIA). He said he was up on the knoll, “hit the dirt” and was accosted by police for his film. He said he didn’t come forward earlier because he had heard witnesses were dying mysterious deaths. This is an unmeritorious argument since the myth about deaths didn't start until 1966.
abennett4 4 months ago
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@abennett4 "This is an unmeritorious argument since the myth about deaths didn't start until 1966" really?
gentle7ways7 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 Also, perhaps more important, none of the many pictures and film show Arnold where he said he was. Many witnesses testified to the Warren Commission (and the HSCA) about events on the knoll. None saw the encounter Arnold described. For the BBC The Men Who Killed Kennedy (1988)he used a rather curious (for someone who was really there) way of expressing his presensence on the knoll. He said, "There is no doubt, in my mind, I was there"; emphasis on "in my mind".
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 It seemsto me that he was just trying to stress his clarity of the situation. I definately think it is a prime example of a shadow government coup, comparable to the fall of Rome with Caesar.
bengaylor873 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 Clarity? He said nothing for 15 years. That's 15 YEARS. Then he changed his story significantly 13 years later for The Men Who Shot Kennedy in a desparate attempt to make hi story stick with known facts. If that's not enough, there are no pictures of him on the knoll. It you want to believe in a conspiracy, go ahead. Its been 48 years and no one (police, FBI, CIA, Secret Service, credible witnesses, investigators, Mob, CIA.). Three people can keep a secret; if two of them are dead!
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 Precisely and that'smost likely how it has stayed under the radar- fear and death.
bengaylor873 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 I don't understand your comment. What stayed under the radar? Fear and death from what? Please elaborate!
abennett4 4 months ago
@bengaylor873 Fear of scrutiny, fear of death and then death itself. Those things were used by a powerful enough presence (a presence you realize is there when you try to go swim against the current of the international bankers) to hush, silence and isolate the Amercian people from the truth, and that truth was we were trojan horsed.
bengaylor873 4 months ago
Letting LHO go free inside the TSBD was a tragic mistake that would haunt Baker forever....45 minutes later, that mistake cost JD Tippit his life!
MrYellowlabs 5 months ago
Even if he was lone gunman he was under orders to do what he did. Then hung out to dry
Kane6676 6 months ago
I don't accuse Mrs Ruth Paine of something. But she is a strange woman. Let her have some 'hard' questions about that day in Dallas - with a 'lying detector (or what you call it). She has nothing to fear if she is innocent.
Is she still alive?
petereuropa 7 months ago
It's like some guy coming home and finding his wife in bed naked with another man and she says "Oh it's not what you think honey. He fixes mattreses, I was just helping him test to ensure the padding was ok. He said if we had our clothes on the weight would be off". And then the guy says "I'm so ashamed I actually thought you were cheating on me."
PabloPena108 7 months ago
..motive or reason for the assassination. I man who's cheek tested negative for nitrate residue. The top 2 acoustic research firms on earth confirmed a shot from the Grassy knoll, I mean it just goes on and on and on. And yet somehow they can dismiss ALL of this with and see no problem or inconsistency. It truly boggles the mind.
PabloPena108 7 months ago
What irritates me about these single shooter nutjobs is how completely lacking in common sense they are. You would have to have a man who could out perform the FBI's best sharp shooters, run down 5 flights of stairs in 90 seconds and not even be out of breath or nervous. The pristine bullet could not be duplicated in all 100 army tests done for the WC. The trajectory is all wrong necessistating the fancy physics touted by livermore labs. The head snap back and to the left, a complete lack of ...
PabloPena108 7 months ago
M L Baker was my great uncle he is passed on now he only talked about this incident in private a couple times,it has always been a family secret.
wes5692 8 months ago
Turly just reacted like any officer in a crisis would: he acted first and thought later. It just seemed reasonable to look for a person who was at the scene of the crime and later went missing. Of course he probably assumed Oswald would be nearby, but as an officer he needed to find that missing person.
paraconti 8 months ago
This video is also deceptive in indicating that Jesse Curry had no idea how they got the description of the suspected shooter out so quickly. How could he have known? He played no role in that.
Yet, the Warren Comm. testimony is quite clear how that information fell into police hands. There were witnesses! Some of them actually SAW the shooter in the 6th floor window. One of those witnesses was Howard Brennan. He described, to the best of his ability, what he saw. There was no mystery at all.
davidemerling 8 months ago
This video is misleading in many areas. The police radio broadcast with a description was sent out BEFORE it was widely known that Oswald was missing. At that time, they were NOT specifically looking for Oswald.
The reenactments of the trek from the 6th floor sniper's nest to the 2nd floor did NOT require particularly fast movement - contrary to what Roy Truly says in this video. It was easily done at a relatively moderate pace.
davidemerling 8 months ago
Big mistake on officer Bakers part not to detain the "man" in the lunch room. At this point everyone in the building had to be a potential suspect.
univibe23 8 months ago
Cont..sadnes for him. This all seems like a military black op job. The shooting itself was done near perfect, but everything else seemed sloppy, and then Abraham Zapruder had to go and shoot that home movie, totally ruining the plotters lone nut case. They also forgot, that there were intelligent, free thinking individuals, who would ask and ask and ask, and keep asking, and never believe the fiction, that is the warren report. Watch Gary Shaw and John Stockwell, on youtube,..........
1450famtreesearch 9 months ago
Cont...like, 'let's meet at our usual place, i'll find out what's going on, and tell you when we meet up, i'll bring money, don't worry'. But when the police showed up at the movie theatre, he must've realised he had probably been dangled like a fool, for the wolves to come in. I wonder if cold tingle of fear went up his spine, when he was getting no legal help, was being questioned for hours, with no help. I wonder if he knew he might not make it out....i feel the greatest sense of sadness
1450famtreesearch 9 months ago
I've been thinking maybe Oswald was told to infiltrate a poss assass group, that turned out to be the real groupe who killed Kennedy. He was poss a low grade supervisory infiltrator, as he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He probably tried to warn the govt about an oncoming plot, but it was ignored. He prob called his own superior after the job was done, maybe realising something was totally wrong, or maybe not figuring he was to be the patsy. His CIA superior might have said something cont...
1450famtreesearch 9 months ago
baker is one lying ass nigga....he lied like 4 times on his time line...
oswald killed kennedy...as hard as it is to believe...
ChiroQuacker 9 months ago
one gun men....oswald...sorry nothing more...lee harvey killed the president
ChiroQuacker 9 months ago
@ChiroQuacker Um, have you ever watched the Zapruder film?, also, there is an audio recording of one of the motorcyle riders, dictotapes, that accidentially recorded the shots. There were 4 shots in all. NOT 3. So, how did Oswald make 4 shots. Why were at least 50 people saying that they heard shots coming from the knoll?, why did Oswald suddenly magic himself in a millionth of a second to the knoll to do the fatal shot. If you watch the Zapruder film, and look at the bullet tragectory..
1450famtreesearch 9 months ago
@1450famtreesearch
even owsalds brother..robert..who went to see lee harvey in his jail cell and spoke with him eye to eye..man to man...robert oswald says his brother did it..alone..i believe him
ChiroQuacker 9 months ago
Helmer......these are great videos that you have. Great subtitled style and perfect music. Nice, dark, and informative, and to the point. Compelling and spellbinding. Much to like.
huskyjerk 9 months ago
All you dumbasses who ignore the real evidence that all points to Oswald and replace it with useless conjecture make me sick.
tryithere 9 months ago
FYI, Mr. Baker just passed away this weekend.
mitchinam 9 months ago
Oswald might have been one of the shooters. He for sure knew JFK was going to be killed that day.
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AngelyyFelicaaa954 10 months ago
@orvillegames1966
The wound to JFK Back!!! WC member Gerald Ford has admitted that he altered the evidence. That is a fact. It is verified by FBI agent James W. Sibert. That is a fact. That makes the "magic bullet" theory impossible. youtube.com/watch?v=d9qjPnCBzHw
Every Doctor who operated on JFK in Dallas indicated a large hole in the rear of his head, consistent with a shot from the front. You are unaware of this information, and yet act so condescending!
ptownkid81 10 months ago
Are there any conspiracy advocates that could make a list for me of five or ten actual pieces of evidence uncovered in five decades of exhaustive research that proves that Oswald did not murder Kennedy all by himself? Now please keep in mind I am not looking for a list of five questions. This is the standard tactic of conspiracy kooks--to ask questions. What I would like to see are five or ten actual, physical, facts that establish their beliefs in a conspiracy. I'll wait for your responses.
orvillegames1966 10 months ago
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@orvillegames1966
The wound to JFK Back!!! WC member Gerald Ford has admitted that he altered the evidence. That is a fact. It is verified by FBI agent James W. Sibert. That is a fact. That makes the "magic bullet" theory impossible. youtube.com/watch?v=d9qjPnCBzHw
Every Doctor who operated on JFK in Dallas indicated a large hole in the rear of his head, consistent with a shot from the front. You are unaware of this information, and yet act so condescending!
ptownkid81 10 months ago
@orvillegames1966
The back wound... 5-6 inches below the "drawing" provided by the WC. You have 2 B mentally retarded to base your conclusions off of drawings. Gerald Ford has since admitted to altering the evidence to make the single bullet theory possible.
The Dallas Doctors all describing a large exit wound in the back of JFK skull.
The limo windshield with the bullet hole
80% of the witnesses on the scene reporting hearing/seeing gun shots not from the TSBD.
ptownkid81 10 months ago
@ptownkid81 Again, do you have any pieces of evidence to support that? As far as the "large" exit wound in the back of his head, can you explain the blood spray coming from the front of Kennedys head? and the fact his head goes forward first, then back on the fatal shot. Facts, just the facts.
orvillegames1966 10 months ago
Warren Commission Exhibit No. 3050- "The Dallas Police department did a thorough investigation of the attempted assassination of Maj Gen Edwin Walker and that Lee Harvey Oswald had NEVER been considered a suspect." Police Chief Jesse Curry.
An eyewitness saw TWO men at the scene of the shooting,neither was Oswald.
themeaningoflife38 10 months ago
Any of you conspiracists realize that Oswald tried to kill an army general aprox a month before the kennedy killing? I'm sure you didn't..This guy had no problem killing people, including Kennedy....
76reliant 11 months ago
The soundtrack here is so appropriate. Ominous and disturbing.
paraconti 1 year ago
any one who thinks oswald is the lone gun man is sick in the head
kennedy147 1 year ago 8
@kennedy147 But all reasonable evidence points to him being a lone gunman. It's probably also why a conspiracy, or any real motive could never be proved. The lone gunman simply confounded any attempts to that end.
paraconti 8 months ago
further - Oswald would have no way of knowing the motorcade was running 6 minutes late. He sure was casual about moving into position, eh?
aalhazzred 1 year ago 7
@aalhazzred He was there earlier. The fact that he lunched on chicken wings at the 6th floor clearly shows he was prepared to wait. And naturally he would have assumed that no schedule ever is on time.
paraconti 8 months ago
@aalhazzred Actually the Kennedy motorcade was a full 20 minutes late. Kennedy was scheduled to being speaking at the trade mart @ 12:30 and his car was supposed to go by the TSBD at around 12:10 (published in Dallas papers). Oswald, according to the WC was eating his lunch when Kennedy as supposed to pass through dealy plaza. But if anyone thinks it wasn't a conspiracy is already so stupid even obvious facts won't change their mind, trust me, I've tried.
PabloPena108 7 months ago
Oswald did not kill kennedy simple as
kennedy147 1 year ago 2
@uranorexic
think you should leave it now, your getting way to excited about it?? oswald was the assasin alone & unaided
grettoz 1 year ago
@grettoz Wow you are really a nutjob to believe in that crazy lonespiracy theory of the lone gunman, unaided. Youre such a stupid hack whore to assert that, and you know you are part of a tiny minority of poeple still clinging to that heinous view, who by ideological constraints imposed upon your mind by the genetic russian roullette of blind chance being born with too few neurons, or with a barrow of apples to push, well known, dont upset them. Fucking idiot nutback beaner ballsack.
quarkmuffin37 1 year ago
"The university is aware that Dr. Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of WTC buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."
Woodruff Miller, Dept Chair, BYU Engineering
ctcole77 1 year ago
@grettoz
You are a moron, Ozzie never killed anything in his short life.
Got that asshole....
045781 11 months ago
@uranorexic
not true it would have been admissable at that time as proof under federal law. case closed...
grettoz 1 year ago
@uranorexic
not completely there was conflicting arguments on both sides!!
grettoz 1 year ago
@uranorexic
no you havent got my story straight, they are no longer admissable as i said!!
grettoz 1 year ago
@uranorexic
i know they are inadmissable now, but wouldnt have been 47yrs ago if oawald had made it to court.
grettoz 1 year ago
@uranorexic not one bit of this is factual. You need to quit calling other people morons, and bone up on the facts. You are out of your league here, buddy.
cyberwing777 1 year ago
Carolyn Arnold said that 15 years after the assasination
genericgeorge 1 year ago
lee harvey oswald passed a parafin gunpowder residue test in dallas which proved that he had not fired a shoulder fired weapon that day!!period...end of story!!he was not a shooter that day!charles nicoletti,ed files,harrelson,e.howard hunt...david morales,frank sturgis ,eugene hale braden kand larry florer are just a few of the shooters...and a man in the trunk of the limosine with a pistol shot "JFK" in the back and the bullet came out the throat!
eldoradoreefgold 1 year ago
@eldoradoreefgold
dude your all mixed up!! the tests on his hands proved positive, but the 1st test on his cheek proved negative? then subsequent tests on his cheek gave conflicting results.. check it out dude...
grettoz 1 year ago
@uranorexic Rock solid evidence my arse. You don't even know what rock solid evidence is. Did anyone actually see Oswald fire the Carcano from the 6th floor window...? No....? Ok, so there is NO evidence that he did.
jimlad74 1 year ago
@uranorexic My, My, temper, temper. Actually yes I was at the 6th floor museum a week and a half ago actually. And FYI I've shot competition and hunted with bolt action rifles for years. It's practically impossible to fire 3 aimed bolt-action shots in the time the Warren comission suggested Oswald took, at a moving target through heavy foliage (Ever noticed the Texas live oak tree with all the leaves blocking Oswalds view??) Matter of fact, I have my doubts that you've even been to dealey Plaza?
jimlad74 1 year ago
@uranorexic
Moron... How could it take someone even 90 seconds to fire three aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the book depository, sprint down 4 flights of stairs past other TSBD employees who never see him, get a coke out of the machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and show up cool, calm and collected in front of a Dallas Police Officer?? Use your common sense, fool!!
jimlad74 1 year ago
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@uranorexic
Moron... There were other TSBD employees in the building at the same time... Perhaps they were not allowed out to watch the Motorcade? Ever think of that??
Moreover, how would a man be able to fire 3 aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the Depository run down four flights of stairs, get a coke out of a machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and appear cool calm and collected in front of Baker??
jimlad74 1 year ago
@uranorexic
Moron... There were other TSBD employees in the building at the same time... Perhaps they were not allowed out to watch the Motorcade? Ever think of that??
Moreover, how would a man be able to fire 3 aimed shots from a bolt action rifle in 5.6 seconds with world class precision, stash the rifle on the other side of the Depository run down four flights of stairs, get a coke out of a machine, take the cap off, start drinking it and appear cool calm and collected in front of Baker???
jimlad74 1 year ago
I'm still angry @ Buell Wesley Frazier's sister. She was supposed to pick me up @ my rooming house & take me to David Ferrie's getaway plane. Instead she sent Tippit & he tried to arrest me with fame & fortune on his mind. Clay was a good man though.. he tried to get me some legal assistance bit then Jada manipulated ruby to come and take me out. Jack was very jealous over what jada and i had. We weren't BFF's anymore and he was hurt by it. Demohrenschildt was my new BF but called me hillbilly.
TheRealAlekHidell 1 year ago
That's the difference between the 2 points of view.
The conspiracy theorist just ask questions.
The people that realize Oswald acted alone?...They give the answers.
Next step in the discussion?, the conspiracy theorist like "licoricerin" just IGNORES the answers and seamlessly moves on to a different topic to start asking more questions.
pajasa62 1 year ago
HEY EVERYBODY!
The doctor that DIDNT work on Connally's thigh wound said the bullet was lodged in his leg. Therefore the surgeon that closed the wound, the attending physicians, nurses and John and Nellie Connally THEMSELVES are part of the coverup!
I BROKE THE CASE WIDE OPEN!
pajasa62 1 year ago
You can cling to premature reports, have someone interpret for you what people readily admit they didn't examine, accept anything that's the product of a paid interview or lucrative book deal...5 days from now, 5 years from now or 5 DECADES from now, the conspiracy theorist will never have a 2nd shooter, never have a 2nd gun, never have a bullet tied to a weapon other than Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano, never have a motive, never have plotters and never have a conspiracy.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 uh actually i got this from the live tv coverage THE DAY of the assassination. billy newman and his wife and wfaa news anchor were all witnesses. and they all 3 said they heard the shots come from the grassy gnoll. and yes there was a second gun i actually have live coverage of that report as well.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
MORE BULLSHIT!
Jay Watson and Jerry Haynes both said there were 3 shots and they sounded the same (same source, same location)
Garry Mack conducted refiring from various locations in Dealey Plaza...obviously KNOWING that shots would be fired from the TSBD and with and even WITHOUT similiar noise (motorcycles rumbling) everyone had trouble IDing the shots from the TSBD because of its unusual height. They could only ID them from elevated floors on Houston Street!!!!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 actually the conspiracy is this. he was never tried and convicted by a jury of his peers. by definition and by the constitution he remains innocent
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"He was never tried and convicted by a jury of his peers...he remains innocent"
OH, I GET IT!
John Wilkes Booth never had a trial...I guess he is innocent.
Adolph Hitler never had a trial...never convicted of anything...INNOCENT!
Any suicide bomber? No trial! No conviction! The nerve of people to talk negatively of them!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 hmmm still haven't heard you explain why all the cops ran to the railroad tracks and the radio call from curry saying get people over to the railroad tracks now to see what has happened. now the witnesses are lying and being paid off the news anchors are lying. everyone is to blame except the government. you want to see how reliable their reports are pick up the 9-11 commission report sometime. hell they never even mentioned building 7. but yea
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
'I haven't heard you explain"
HEY PAL I HAVEN"T HEARD YOU SAY SHIT ABOUT ANY OF MY ANSWERS...APPLY THE SAME STANDARDS TO YOUR OWN POSTS AS YOU DO OF MINE!
How's my words on Connally leg wound doing?
How my words on JAck Ruby Mr. Mob Hitman doing?
How's the stretcher bullet coming along?
How's John and Nellie Connally words on where the shots came from?
THAT just off the top of my head!
EAch posting you spit out 50 questions I answer them...and then you simply IGNORE IT!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 no it's more or less futile. like i said the proof is there but your answers are always AH THE WITNESSES WANT MONEY. AH BOOK DEAL AH MOVIE DEAL. to what you can't answer you just scream ah money hungry. you're a sheep it's sad pathetic and sick
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"I haven't heard you expalin"
GREAT! I ANSWER 50 QUESTIONS YOU SPIT OUT EVERY POSTING...MY REWARD...YOU JUST IGNORE IT!
How's the bullet in Connally's leg doing? Got anything for me?
How Jack Ruby the mob hitman? Got anything to say about my answer?
How the stretcher bullet coming. Got anything for me about my answer?
How's John & Nellie assessment of where the shots came from? ANYTHING from you?
How's my challenge of that worthless murder list?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@licoricerain
How's this...that's where the ACTION HAPPENED. That's where at least 9 people where laying on the ground! Most of the people there didn't know JFK was shot even after the 2nd shot!
Curry and Decker are in the closed-roof lead car knew there was commotion...What were their orders??? "Get a man on top of that overpass..." and "Move all men out of my departartment in the railroad yard area to try to determine if and what happened...hold everything secure..."
What's stumping you?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 so actually the proof i have is not anyone with anything to gain. they are news anchors doing their damn job. not writing fucking books and making movies. 45 yrs later bill newman was on the news again along with his wife and after giving his eyewitness account several times that day the DAY OF the assassination saying the shots came from behind him on the gnoll he changed his story. he said he was afraid to what might happen to him because of what him and his wife saw
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"news achors doing their damn job"
Here they are at work:
JFK standing when shot (NBC)
Secret service agent killed in Dealey Plaza (various)
LBJ shot, LBJ heart attack (WFAA- radio, others)
JFK taken to Parkland by ambulance (DAN RATHER)...JFK taken to Parkland by BUS! (KRLD-TV)
Tippet slain in shootout in theatre (CBS-radio)
Along with Oswald, a policeman named "Jack Lobey" is also shot (Tom Pettit, NBC radio)
OH, I'M SORRY...these don't help any conspiracy theory.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 i can see why you'd trust them over people that actually saw what happened.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 yeah what u said is true but those were all briefly reported & during the chaos of that day is reasonable the media would screw up. LBJ was said2 be treated for shock and the SS agent was widely reported. but the german mauser was reported by all 3 networks for more then 24hrs then randomly changes when more info is released on oswald. but that wouldnt help the official story. it wasnt just oswald alone and he wasnt a loner. had a wife2 kids rich friends, 3bros and mother+ work friends
pat442389 1 year ago
@pat442389
Exactly. Those other events were ABLE to be corrected fairly quickly...and the rifle was not (for no sinister reason) NOT available for correction. Do you think it made a bit of difference to the Dallas Police at that early stage? And let's be honest about this...conspiracy theorist act like the difference between the 2 was like comparing a Volkswagon and a Cadillac...CBS-TV in June '67 showed the 2 types of rifles side by side showing virtually no difference between them!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pat442389
"Oswald wasn't a loner"
Being a loner doesnt mean you live in a cave. There are loners that "function" in society.
Regarding the people you mentioned...deMohrenschildt wasn't even living in the US anymore, the Oswald's were then estranged from the local Russian community, Ruth Paine takes in a woman 8 MONTHS pregnant whose husband just received his last unemployment check...LHO hadn't seen his brothers or his mother for a YEAR prior & he wanted to send Marina back to the USSR!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 watch?v=3nuloZxeW9g hmmm one gun magically changed into another. wow.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 and yet another clip......took them a day and 1/2 to realize it wasn't a mauser? holy hell how incompetent can they be?
watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
OH THE MAUSER!!!
You say you've have WFAA's coverage (that's good) See when Bert Shipp talks about the Tom Alyea film thrown out of the TSBD window as the MEDIA was sealed in the building following the investigators around? In 47 years of the Alyea film with clear images of the rifle, NO ONE has been able to point out characteristics of it being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 omg you government puppet you are giving me a headache. keep believing the bullshit the government shoves down your throat. even soldiers are starting to wake up and realize the government are nothing but a bunch of lying terrorists. you're more brainwashed then they are. not only is it sad and pathetic it is just sick
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 oh that clip is from news clips. not YOUR PAID WITNESSES THAT JUST WANT MONEY FROM BOOKS AND MOVIES.....PREMATURE evidence? the gun had mauser stamped on the damn gun and it took them a day and 1/2 to realize it wasn't a mauser? wtf
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 oh and don't watch the news clip please might be evidence you might not be able to explain with OMG THEY ARE TRYING TO GET A MOVIE OR BOOK DEAL. OR OMG PREMATURE REPORTS
licoricerain 1 year ago
Typical conspiracy theorist.
You ask the questions...I give the answer...what happens next? IGNORE THE ANSWER I GAVE and just ask more questions.
pajasa62 1 year ago
"you're sad pathetic bored lonely middle age man"
You gotta love it... the discussion is going south on this "licoricerain" guy so ALL he can offer is personal insults behind the safety of his key pad....probably wearing flip-flops as he's doing it.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 at least get my gender right. google jfk 2. there were 13 bullets fired. 100% of the doctors that examined jfk ,MA'AM, (since you want to call me a he) said the entrance wound was from the front temple exited from the back. are you aware a 3rd bystander under the triple under pass was wounded on the cheek? i've done 3 tours in iraq so don't sit here and try to lecture me on guns and bullet trajectory
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 but don't let me take you away from your denial. 3 neatly lined up spent brass and a rifle that didn't even match the bullets found caused 7 wounds? holy hell what a shot oswald was and nevermind that how sturdy they made bullets those days to cause ALL that damage and come out fine in one piece on connelys stretcher!!
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 oh let me further ruin your lame pathetic life by informing you that there was a statement from doctors after the president was pronounced dead and connely was in the ER that the doctor said the bullet that caused all that damage had yet to be removed from connelys leg!!! not only is it amazingly sturdy and oswald is a fucking AMAZING marksmen to say the VERY least. that bullet is so magic it can be in 2 places at once!! IN connelys leg AND on his stretcher. AMAZING!!!
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"The Dr. said the bullet had yet to be removed from Connally's leg"
Who said that? Dr. Shaw , A THORACIC surgeon (working only on JC chest wound) Who worked on Connally? Dr. Gregory.
You want to pass yourself off as a "deep thinker"? Deep think this- How does your statement play out AFTER it was said (after 11/22)? Given the high profile of events was Dr. Gregory, Connally's attending physicians, the nurses, John and Nellie Connally all part of the plot? Did they get amnesia?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 they still to this day (all 6 drs) say he was shot in the temple. and i'm sure they told the fbi, cia, ss, that doesn't mean they announced it. actually it WAS announced to begin with. kennedy's assistant press sec gave the statement and pointed to his temple when saying the president was shot. original reports said shot IN THE TEMPLE
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"To this day all 6 doctors say he was shot in the temple"
Typical more BULLSHIT.
Malcolm Perry definitely NEVER said that and for 4 other doctors maybe watch the 1988 PBS special "NOVA" where 4 of the Parkland doctors get permission from the Kennedy family THEMSELVES to view (and REAFFIRM) the autopsy pictures and x-rays...THEY SAY NOTHING about a temple entrance shot.(and given the questions they obviously would have)
And Malcolm Kilduff is a PRESS SECRETARY, OK???
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 google jfk II and the doctors say HIS ORIGINAL DOCTORS SAY it was a temple shot. you're ignoring the proof i give why should i pay you the courtesy of paying attention to your bullshit made up out of thin air government account?
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
Again, the conspiracy theorist clings to a premature report when the Parkland doctors readily admitted that they did not examine the head wound.
Malcolm Perry (CBS- TV,June 1967) We were not concern with how this happened or why, if a patent airway could not be secured and the bleeding could not be controlled it made very little difference to us."
Dr. Jenkins on examining the head wound "...we had the 1st Lady standing over us, I think it would have been a bit sacriligious"
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 omg it isn't a conspiracy theory. the 6 doctors still say the exit wound was in the back of the head.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
"exit wound in the back of the head"
Yeah, watch some cleverly edited shockumentary and listen to someone INTERPRET that.
What any forensic pathologist says?...just ignore it.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 as i said and which you obviously never did google jfk II and the doctors all say the same thing. there is again the proof but omg it is like you're afraid to find out the truth
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
THE MURDER LIST!!
Curious as to why the list EXCLUDES so much. (The Warren Commission index has 25,000 names) But inside & outside the Warren Commission why were the most VOCAL people spared? eg. Jean Hill, SM Holland, Beverly Oliver, Gordon Arnold, Madeline Brown. How about those people that spent YEARS investigating a conspiracy? Lifton, Lane, Jones, Epstein,Thompson, Garrison & staff? What, no good?
Lee Bowers? YEAH, let's kill him with a low-probabilty chance car accident.
pajasa62 1 year ago 3
@pajasa62 and all your witnesses are government paid. the same people that assassinated the president. another thing that was confirmed but later recanted was a SSA was also shot and murdered. yes but witnesses that don't work for the government and have nothing to gain are the liars.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 so let me put all this in perspective since you are attacking us that DON'T believe oswald did this alone. you believe the government report. which on the DAY of the assassination said ONE bullet caused 7 wounds and had yet to be removed from connelys leg yet somehow magically came out without any blood or unscratched .
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 on his stretcher. that a report of ONE gun (later recanted by the newscasters) magically turned into a second gun and oswald was murdered by jack ruby WHILE IN POLICE custody AND HANDCUFFED TO A COP WHO SAID HE SAW RUBY HAD A GUN yet somehow no one else did? yes i can see how you think no one in the government could be involved everything they said and did was so reliable!!!
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
OH yes! Jack Ruby!
- the hitman who was standing on line at a Western Union (a block away) 4 minutes before the most important hit in mob history.
- the only hitman in history who instead of having a getaway driver has his PET DOG waiting for him in his car.
- the only hardened criminal to conduct his crime in a police station with ZERO chance to escape.
- the only hitman in real life or the movies, on earth or Mars, sent to silence someone with a single shot to the BELLY!
pajasa62 1 year ago 2
@pajasa62 watch?v=v-x38xsuzio&playnext_from=TL&videos=CD8b0NBSRXQ they were under the triple underpass the gunshot came from BEHIND them and he said he saw it hit the president DIRECTLY IN THE TEMPLE about 6 mins into the interview. now this was what they saw before they were questioned by anyone else this is the 1st news of it. they both say the police were running TOWARDS the railroad tracks. why were the cops running towards there if they didn't hear gunfire?
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 you want to argue with facts? argue with those. like it or not the government made one screw up after another yet you refuse to believe they are anything less then honest when there are dozens of witnesses (most of ended up dying of tragic accidents) that dispute what the government says that have nothing to gain. oh and i might want to point out the jfk 2 maker is neither money hungry since he is letting the public view it on google FREE or an amateur
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
THE MURDERED WITNESSES!
The original thrust of this? A London Times headline...ehhh. THAT WAS RETRACTED because it was a statistical JOKE as presented. (Shockingly the retraction didn't carry as much weight in the conspiracy community) Meanwhile the list is padded with a bunch of NOBODIES! Any fat 75 year old having a heart attack is listed as "suspicious" as if something SCARED the fat fuck so much his heart gave out...Give me a break!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 i have a page full of 170+ ppl that died that were linked to the kennedy assassination. look them up for yourself. all you have to do is use google. L.E.Bowers was ran into a road barrier by a black car. just to name 1. 3 out of 5 men in rubys apartment were murdered. 2 shot 1 of a heart attack. hell even connelly changed his story.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 oh i might also want to add that your totally SQUEAKY clean government has 2 different cops admitting to wrestling the gun away from LHO and punching him in the eye. WTF?? 2 cops claim to be the SOLE captor of LHO telling the same story of wrestling the gun away from him and punching him in the eye? no no they couldn't have been involved their stories are too consistant and too reliable
licoricerain 1 year ago
@pajasa62 oh wait he did all that with 2 bullets. even your oh so honest government admits in their VERY RELIABLE OFFICIAL REPORT the 1st shot MISSED.
licoricerain 1 year ago
@licoricerain
Some of your comments sound almost frantic....RELAX.
By the way, thanks for your service to the country (I mean that)
pajasa62 1 year ago
By the time the cops arrived, Oswald had done his job. Like hellooooo! He had just assassinated the prez., he needed to exit the building. He met the cops near the lunchroom, he most likely casually bought a coke, then took off! Not a big mystery.
Megawatts121 1 year ago
@Megawatts121 - You're totally right. It was Oswald - he was just the type of person to do what he DID DO. Later, that same day, Oswald is seen 'sneaking' into a movie theatre without paying for a ticket and he was armed with a gun that was used to kill Officer Tippet. Additionally; people in Dealy Plaza actually saw Oswald do it from where they were standing and gave the ID to the police of the white male, etc, etc, etc. He did it - case closed! (He's not an American Hero, after all)!
nordique59 1 year ago
@nordique59
I'm so happy to talk to someone whe has kept his or her composure in all this. The researchers, writers etc. in this matter have no concept of writing the truth. they just want to sell books and videos, disregarding the fact that a journalist is there to get to the facts. I spent a week in Dallas studying the facts. What the storytellers do is simply hide facts and evidence. I'm Canadian, I can tell you this.. In Canada, he would have been found guilty very early in the trial.
Megawatts121 1 year ago
Howard Brennan gave Oswald's description to offficers outside the book despository building. The windows of the building are close to the floor, so you can see an almost complete figure if squatting in the window as Oswald was. This is based on the case evidence.
eddiewalker59 1 year ago
I have a question. If Oswald was calmly drinking a Coke, what was everyone else in the building doing? Were they calm as well?
n0gar 1 year ago
No evidence comment
The conspiracy men:
I know a man, his name is Lee Harvey Oswald. He is perfect. I sugest that he will be offered a job in the TSBD. He is a soldier, and he is used to obey order. He is a little bit strange as a person. That's why he is perfect for this job.
When the D-Day is there, tell LHO: "If the police will by surprice put you in jail. Don't say anything-that's an order! Then we to a 100% will set you free. Because we have that power. Understand?
"Yes sir!" said LHO
petereuropa 1 year ago
No evidence comment:
You are responsible to make that the elevator is on this floor. During the assassination open the elevator's door (so noone can use it).
The 2 snipers: shoot
After job is done, close the elevator's door.
petereuropa 2 years ago
Im a british cop and the whole thing stinks, if they thought oswald was the suspect they would have swamped his home address with officers..hed just killed the president!!! even if they Guessed it was him?? the only lead in the murder of the centuary.There are so many "errors" and Coincedances in this it stinks, I'd be mas as hell if I was Amercian, mind we got David Kelly "suicide" a couple of years back and that stinks to.
jimbobski4 2 years ago 5
You're a british asshole .
We know what the british have brought forth for finding the truth :
Nigel Turner :
After accusing 3 individuals of being 'Corsican Hit Men' , reporters found one named Pironti , then a 80ish frail retiree living in France . Asked why he (Turner) didn't interview Pironti before making the allegations he responded : "I thought it would be too dangerous".
Hehehehehe ! What a hooter !
The list of criminal types is apparently endless .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
"as if he was ordered to find & shoot Oswald"
Then why didn't he ? He didn't even draw his gun until Oswald had drawn his and was found lying on his service revolver .
Same goes for Ruby who waited 2 days to let Oswald spill a conspiracy ? Well according to conspiracy "He was late for work" ? Duh ?
Conspiracists silly storys make the Warren Commission more and more believable as year after year goes by .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
@cdddraftsman give it up draftsman......this was apro hit...you r in a big denial for some reson about this....same people who hit jfk took out rfk...same cast of characters.........
migo53333 2 years ago
P.J. McMillan's "Marina & Lee"
Chairman Stokes : "Marina was now certain that Lee was guilty. She saw his guilt in his eyes & had he been innocent, he would have been screaming to high heaven for his rights, claiming he'd been mistreated & demanding to see officials at the very highest levels. The fact he was so compliant, told her he was being treated all right, was a sign that he was guilty."
Chairman Stokes : "Did you tell Miss Johnson that?
Mrs. Marina Oswald : "Yes"
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
@cdddraftsman he complained about everything pertaining to his rights including the bogus lineup he was placed in...he was probably more in a state of shock realizing he was the patsy.....
migo53333 2 years ago
@cdddraftsman UUUMMM ruby buttered his way to find the right moment to carry out his deed.......answer this one...why was ruby in on a press conferemnce and even asked a question of oswald.....how did this happen when all the police knew who he was?
migo53333 2 years ago
HOW could Oswald know the motorcade was running late? Being seen in the lunchroom 10-15 min before the motorcade means Oswald wasn't acting like a sniper, ie. alert, in position, ready and waiting for his target. The inability of Chief Currey to explain how the suspect ID originated is VERY suspicious. As does the description matching Oswald's army records, NOT his actual current appearance. Officer Tippet's strange behavior is suspicious also, as if he was ordered to find & shoot Oswald.
starmanskye 2 years ago 3
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Why the need to exaggerate about the timing of Oswald being seen in the lunchroom? Yet of course that fact Ruby was making at Western Union 4 minutes before he shoots Oswald and over an hour after Oswald was scheduled to be transfered THAT is no problem to conspiracy theorists.
If you ever hear the police transmissions, Howard Brennan is being referred to 5 MINUTES after the shoots & he gave a GENERAL description.
"Tippet ordered to find and shoot Oswald?...that's nonsense out of thin air.
pajasa62 2 years ago
It is a reasonable assumption to make with the facts that we have( in my opinion). Yea Howard Brennan described the suspect, but the man was kneeling next to a half open window. How did he get his height and his weight?? That is non sense in my opinion. There were several shooters and that is apparent.
rjrod 2 years ago 4
Whenever the cops ask regarding a subject's description, they would ask JUST THAT! "About how tall or how much do you THINK he weighed". Look at the age description "30"...Oswald was 24. It's a general description. Sit where Brennan was sitting in Dealey Plaza & look at someone looking out of the window at the 6th Floor Museum...You can make out what the person looks like.
You say "there were several shooters"
Shooters no one saw - using rifles no one saw - firing bullets never recovered.
pajasa62 2 years ago
@pajasa62 -- Well, that's not correct; Several witnesses claimed to see 2 men, one at the TSBD western corner window where a photo enhancement appears to substantiate someone holding a rifle with a light right above their shoulder. And there were numerous reports of additional bullets recovered but never recorded, as well as at least 2 complete misses, and windshield & chrome trim deflection damage observed by several people at the hospital, & testimony by windshield replacement tech.
starmanskye 2 years ago
Arnold Rowland and Carolyn Walthers???
Are you kidding me? Do you want the details of their statements?...JUST ASK ME.
"additional bullets recovered"?
Yep, the plotters had 100 or so police, agents and investigators in Dealey Plaza just casually go along with the plot...Please!.
Everything else you said was the product of PAID interviews & authors helping out their lucrative book deals. To make ANY of them work you have to have DOZENS of people going along with a plot for EACH instance.
pajasa62 2 years ago
@pajasa62 in one documentary there were extra bullets that were recovered and it shows an investigator putting them in his pocket
licoricerain 1 year ago
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"extra bullets recovered"
Look my friend, these are just people making claims on shockumentaries they are profitting on...nothing more. Do you think it's been KNOWN for 47 years what is being claimed?
A 6.5mm round can hit a target 650 yards away, so any missed bullet could richocet 100's and 100's of yards in ANY direction...so EVERY cop and investigator in Dealey Plaza is in on the plot? Just "going along" with the conspiracy that could land them in the electric chair?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 they aren't "just making claims" if you bothered to watch it you'd see the guy putting the bullets in his pocket. it's called PROOF MY FRIEND. what about the dozens of witnesses that saw shots coming from the picket fence? and how in the hell is money being made off of these when they are posted and we a