it seems to me a simple way to keep switch rail free from ice, of course it is quite expensive, but it is necessary because if switch rails are frozen circulation does not occur
First time I saw this I was on an NJ Transit train pulling into Newark during a snowfall. I was like "Holy crap the tracks are on fire!!" Then I told the conductor, and he told me that those are kerosene lamps used for heating the switches in freezing temperatures. The switches ought to be able to work.
switch heaters are used so that the switches can be used when there's snow/ice in the area that could possibly interfere with their operation. saves manual labor of section help with brooms, dangerous work near the tracks!
Doing this actually serves a couple of purposes. The first being keeping the points from freezing up. During cold weather the rails will contract, so the heaters also heat the rails to expand them and help prevent pull-aparts at the joints in the heel and frog of the switch
Wouldn't that be a concern of Catching the Locomotives fuel tank on fire? if there were a leak that nobody knew about. What about a freight train pulling Propane cars. But, i'm sure they know what they are doing...
not something you see everyday lol pretty neat, I know they do stuff like this once in a while to keep ice from building up and freezing the tracks!!!
I think SouthEastern Trains in the UK need to invest in these on thier points. No trains at all today because of the points freezeing up. They're increadibly lucky nothing derailed.
@metraF40PH163 around here we're still old school. they dont update the tracks around here, and now i hooked a job for pacific railway, we squirt grease on them.
@Chevroletman75 I can't belive that a guy has to do this ever 20 mins. Are you talking about burning the rope to do work on the rail? Because if you are that makes sense.
@metraF40PH163 we light grease fires on the joints to keep them warm, we come by every twent mins to squirt some lamp oil, grease mixture on it. its not like these new propane ones, but it works. and have to be careful too, otherwise youll light the grease gun, and that sucks.
No, briggs, open gas flame is not efficient at all.
Electricity is 100% efficient.
Would be interesting to learn if electric heaters could be made today.
Electric cable is much easier to lay. Gas piping must be protected from stresses which can cause fractures. Also, gas pipes can clog from ice freezing in the line.
@robertgift it doesnt matter if it is 100% efficient....it does the job right, and that's all that matters, I seem to be the only one that understands that this railroad can do whatever the hell it is they want to when it comes to their tracks
@robertgift Dude, Electric water heaters suck, they take twice as long to recover and run out a lot faster. Electric heat is only good where electric prices are low, unfortunately in the Chicago area, Communist Edison has high prices (as do many other areas). Also add the fact that electric heating elements BURN OUT while gas burners almost never lose functionality.
And also with electricity, energy is lost through transmission lines and through mechanical losses so electricity is NOT 100% eff.
Yes. But electric water heaters are 100% efficient, require no flue whose draft is cooling the water and venting its heat outside 24/7 while pulling frigid outside air in to replace air being vented.
Gas transmission has losses and costs and occasional explosions.
Gas thermocouples, upon which the pilot flame impinges, burn out.
Electric heat could be applied right to where it matters and can be easily controlled.
Do these gas switch heaters require a standing pilot light?
its a pretty cool way to de ice the tracks but i would also imagine its kind of risky. I love watching the tracks like that when i ride the train in the winter tho
Somewhat accurate, the flame is used to keep the points, or the 2 rails that determine the direction of the train, from freezing together to the outside rails. In that case, it will render the switch inoperable, and snarl traffic up.
They light the tracks on the fire so when a 15 mph train is going through the yard to get to union station the switching track does'nt freeze up and go on the wrong track and hit another amtrak or metra train.
when the Union Pacific Railroad was killing steam they used the 844 with some steam pipes coming out of the front directly from the boiler on to the tracks to melt snow and thaw ice. Just a little fact
It was during the late 50s to 1961 when they were using it. After UP had stored/scrapped/retired all their steam. Railfan groups got UP to charter the 844 for trips and that is mainly why it is not stuff n' mounted or Toyotas.
I have seen the yard workers near Union Station in Toronto use Kerosene mini flame throwers on the switch tracks in the winter when they freeze. This was back in the late 80's early 90's.
This is perfectly normal. My dad worked in a railroad yard and they would do that to keep the switches from freezing over. His uncle drove an ATSF 4-8-4 that hit a frozen switch and caused a serious accident.
I remember seeing those when traveling on the Northbound Hiawatha out of Chicago! This fire method is used during the winter times. Keep the switches from freezing into place.
i knew why fire! There is fire, because there are movintracks and it is cold. So there is ice bad, because the train can have an accident then. Sorry for my english, i am from Germany
I've seen that when I take the train to Boston. Every few feet as you head toward's North Station through the Somerville yard, there are blue/yellow flames coming up from the rails to keep them from freezing over.
De-icing for sure, in my country we use electric heat into the switch. I'm very surprised to see that you use this method to keep your switches from freezing, doesn't it damage the track? And what if a train has to stop right on top of one of those fires? Anyway i guess they wouldn't do that if there was a real danger so i'm just surprised to see this ;)
Because the plant (junction) that it is going through is called Tower A-2 and the line that its coming off of is the Canadian Pacific/Metra line to Kenosha, WI. I've been on the Empire Builder once and I just know. Also, the consist of the cars are in the way of the Empire Builder consist. It is neat, though, because the third unit up front is an Amtrak Cascades F59PHI.
You are correct. Its a very old method, it looks like they haven't got the time to insert electreic heating machines in the switches...yet, so they go with this old method.
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Some switch heaters use direct flame, some use hot air from propane or electric heaters depending on what energy source is most convenient.
ffjsb 2 weeks ago
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Cool. I never thoght the cold would be a problem but I suppose mixed with ice those switches could freeze up.
prbowe 2 weeks ago
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Cool. I never thoght the cold would be a problem but I suppose mixed with ice those switches could freeze up.
prbowe 2 weeks ago
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Cool. I never thoght the cold would be a problem but I suppose mixed with ice those switches could freeze up.
prbowe 2 weeks ago
Cool. I never thoght the cold would be a problem but I suppose mixed with ice those switches could freeze up.
prbowe 2 weeks ago
Nice Video. The reason why the tracks are on fire is because they have to keep those track switched heated in those brutal cold conditions.
TrainfanCasey8 2 weeks ago
it seems to me a simple way to keep switch rail free from ice, of course it is quite expensive, but it is necessary because if switch rails are frozen circulation does not occur
anisocoro 4 weeks ago
Chuck Norris Exp, arriving on track 5.
YouAreABunghole 1 month ago
looks like the tracks met ghost rider
Brolythesupersayain 1 month ago
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I know the railway companies use heaters for the switch rails but flamethrowers XD
xam107 1 month ago
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I know the railway companies use heaters for the switch rails but flamethrowers XD
xam107 1 month ago
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I know the railway companies use heaters for the switch rails but flamethrowers XD
xam107 1 month ago
I know the railway companies use heaters for the switch rails but flamethrowers XD
xam107 1 month ago
Redneck point heaters
thelocoshed 1 month ago
who ever says this is fake needs slap the fires are there simply to heat the points so they dont freeze or stick
GWR4079 1 month ago
Tower B2 where the ex-Milwaukee crosses the ex-CNW at about 30 degrees. Slow!
mkmcclure 2 months ago
Did you record this with the Panasonic Potato W215?
HSetOSCAR 2 months ago
They do that to keep the switches warm so they don't freeze together and not open for a train. Nothing unsual about it!
ParkerFtL 2 months ago
It's probably for stopping the switches from freezing stuck.
Engineer9736 2 months ago
To keep the turnouts from freezing.
HaltonRailfan 2 months ago
Simple. They light a fire to warm the metal so the points don't freeze over......
xr6lad 3 months ago
Yeah isnt it to stop the junctions freezing
rachaelmatt 3 months ago
im guessing it stops the switches from freezing over?
Spartan890 3 months ago
same as sludge pots.
gmsd70mac 3 months ago
First time I saw this I was on an NJ Transit train pulling into Newark during a snowfall. I was like "Holy crap the tracks are on fire!!" Then I told the conductor, and he told me that those are kerosene lamps used for heating the switches in freezing temperatures. The switches ought to be able to work.
ecoRfan 3 months ago
Good illustration of switch heaters in action.
friscobob56 4 months ago 4
I've always wanted to see tracks on fire..
WowOmgStudios 4 months ago
Could also be referred to as redneck switch heaters
TheRantingCabbie 4 months ago
for not freezing the switches...
AlexAcE1 4 months ago
ok,wow
johnjackstif 5 months ago
switch heaters are used so that the switches can be used when there's snow/ice in the area that could possibly interfere with their operation. saves manual labor of section help with brooms, dangerous work near the tracks!
amarkanders777 5 months ago
Fake? You moron, it's as real as can be. I saw it, I filmed it, lots of people who work for the railroad know it's real.
rickpawl 5 months ago 15
@rickpawl They are gas operated point heaters to keep them free from ice usually propane bottle fed
trackend 2 months ago
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1madaboutguitar 5 months ago
@1madaboutguitar TROLL
pingpongpung 4 months ago
Doing this actually serves a couple of purposes. The first being keeping the points from freezing up. During cold weather the rails will contract, so the heaters also heat the rails to expand them and help prevent pull-aparts at the joints in the heel and frog of the switch
pmdoepfer 5 months ago
I KNOW they are switch heaters. The title was just a joke!
rickpawl 6 months ago 24
Those are not tracks on fire...they are switch and point heaters, usually kerosene
to keep the switch points from freezing up and the mechanisms working.....
Shenandoah58 6 months ago
Reminds me of Hey Arnold
GatewayXl 7 months ago
Working for the railroad: A badass job
Assmark 7 months ago
Wouldn't that be a concern of Catching the Locomotives fuel tank on fire? if there were a leak that nobody knew about. What about a freight train pulling Propane cars. But, i'm sure they know what they are doing...
TheDylanJoyce 7 months ago
this looks like lirr at jamica staation
sertox12345 8 months ago
not something you see everyday lol pretty neat, I know they do stuff like this once in a while to keep ice from building up and freezing the tracks!!!
WorldOfNothin 10 months ago
How were you able to lean out the window?
cochranexyz 11 months ago
I got in trouble for filming Metra burning their switches on fire. Metra Police saw me and made me delete it, so u were lucky
amtrak393 11 months ago
nevermind my last comment - was looking in the wrong place on the video :)
KC0TLV 1 year ago
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KC0TLV 1 year ago
Never seen that done before. Neat.
offamychain 1 year ago
Don't try this at home they are trained professionals !
jazzmannsteve777 1 year ago
maybe someone put a delorean on the tracks and hit 88 mph
the1thatgotirwin 1 year ago 67
@the1thatgotirwin no no it was the time traveling train that hit 88
kd5lpr 5 months ago
@the1thatgotirwin That hasn't happened since 2016.....
railstoruin 2 months ago 2
@the1thatgotirwin sounds like the most logical explenation to me!
admiralackbar999 1 month ago
@the1thatgotirwin yep i think thats why .... i don't see marty mc fly anywhere
trainzaholic 3 weeks ago
I think SouthEastern Trains in the UK need to invest in these on thier points. No trains at all today because of the points freezeing up. They're increadibly lucky nothing derailed.
AshHill07 1 year ago
how do they keep the fire going
tom618ful 1 year ago
@tom618ful gas lines its probably propane
rc8rsracer 11 months ago
that's weird, usually we use heaters that are beside the tracks that have metal shields directing the heat to the switches..pretty cool though
Aloud11 1 year ago
It keeps the switches from freezing and the track
amtrakfilms139 1 year ago
the fires are lit with the grease, and about every twenty minutes a worker comes by and squirts more on, my best friends a rail worker.
HBMAN665420 1 year ago
@HBMAN665420 No, not every 20 mins! These are powered with propane...not grease! Get your facts right please.
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
@metraF40PH163 around here we're still old school. they dont update the tracks around here, and now i hooked a job for pacific railway, we squirt grease on them.
Chevroletman75 1 year ago
@Chevroletman75 I can't belive that a guy has to do this ever 20 mins. Are you talking about burning the rope to do work on the rail? Because if you are that makes sense.
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
@metraF40PH163 we light grease fires on the joints to keep them warm, we come by every twent mins to squirt some lamp oil, grease mixture on it. its not like these new propane ones, but it works. and have to be careful too, otherwise youll light the grease gun, and that sucks.
Chevroletman75 1 year ago
@Chevroletman75 I make fires too. Not on train tracks though.
AlcoholicSemenStain 1 year ago
Thats common in the winter to keep the switches from freezing up.
Manongjojo 1 year ago
Rail Warmers. . . . .
trainmandan05 1 year ago
wheres the 3rd rail
aftfnm 1 year ago
@aftfnm - no, these are REAL trains, hauled by locomotives.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
they're switch heaters
SSKar98k 1 year ago
They set fire to the frogs and points in the winter to keep them from freezing solid. Its a pretty common practice
will107 1 year ago
Nice! Never seen that before. Five stars man!
Bus7777 2 years ago
Thats to keep the switches from freezing up. its highly efficient especially in high traffic areas such as a train yard.
briggsjos 2 years ago 2
Would ELECTRIC heaters be better?
100% efficient.
Apply heat right where it is needed.
No winds blowing theat away from where it is needed.
Easy to control - turn on and off.
No standing pilot light - if each burner has one.
No refueling.
robertgift 2 years ago
Well lets see you put out the money for them
SAK8899 2 years ago 8
I bet new ones would be electric.
The cost of running gas lines, ensuring the pipes are not stressed, and all the other complications
(standing pilot lights?)(what if they blow out) etc.
It is unfortunate the homes have gas furnaces and water heaters. Better would be electricity.
Electricity is 100% efficient. No flues pulling heat out of the water heater or air out of the house 24/7. No chance of explosions or CO poisoning.
robertgift 2 years ago
@robertgift but electric fire
thebesttrainvids 2 years ago
"electric fire"?
No, briggs, open gas flame is not efficient at all.
Electricity is 100% efficient.
Would be interesting to learn if electric heaters could be made today.
Electric cable is much easier to lay. Gas piping must be protected from stresses which can cause fractures. Also, gas pipes can clog from ice freezing in the line.
robertgift 2 years ago 2
just lol
electricity is never 100% efficient
although the heater may be a 100% efficient (which is not possible)
power is lost in the line between the power source and the appliance
there is never a 100% energy conversion of the fuel to electricity,
it would be better to say that it is more efficient to use electric heater
thatguyscomputer 2 years ago
Yes, lol at your understanding.
Electric heat is 100% efficient.
Conversion of fuel sources to electricity is not the issue.
If you want to consider losses in distribution, there is also leakage in the gas distribution system.
Resistive heat elements applied directly to the rails would place heat right where it is needed.
Most of the heat from flames is simply lost to the atmosphere.
robertgift 2 years ago
@robertgift it doesnt matter if it is 100% efficient....it does the job right, and that's all that matters, I seem to be the only one that understands that this railroad can do whatever the hell it is they want to when it comes to their tracks
nicholasbreeden 2 years ago
Of course they could do whatever they wanted and what was cheapest at the time.
Now, it would be done better.
They would not take out something that works and replace it with something better.
robertgift 2 years ago
@robertgift Dude, Electric water heaters suck, they take twice as long to recover and run out a lot faster. Electric heat is only good where electric prices are low, unfortunately in the Chicago area, Communist Edison has high prices (as do many other areas). Also add the fact that electric heating elements BURN OUT while gas burners almost never lose functionality.
And also with electricity, energy is lost through transmission lines and through mechanical losses so electricity is NOT 100% eff.
mt90945557 2 years ago
Yes. But electric water heaters are 100% efficient, require no flue whose draft is cooling the water and venting its heat outside 24/7 while pulling frigid outside air in to replace air being vented.
Gas transmission has losses and costs and occasional explosions.
Gas thermocouples, upon which the pilot flame impinges, burn out.
Electric heat could be applied right to where it matters and can be easily controlled.
Do these gas switch heaters require a standing pilot light?
lokalexi1 2 years ago
Okay have you ever heard of direct venting? It is when a water heater or furnace pulls air from outside and vents it right back out.
Also electricity can cause fires and I have seen transformers explode.
Gas heat is also applied where it is needed most and is also easily controlled.
And most newer gas appliances use electronic ignition.
mt90945557 2 years ago
I hope you know thats so the switches don't freeze and lock-up!
4202EJW 2 years ago 3
Here is Chicago we make sure tracks don't freeze lol.I LOVE LIVIN HERE!
Jabbajawz4life 2 years ago 2
cool
pjtesar101 2 years ago
I've never ridden a train.
casualclicks 2 years ago
That is the most depressing YouTube comment I have ever seen in my life...;( Please get well, my friend!
s7o0a0p 2 years ago 2
Yep, they use those track heaters here, too.
BurgerChefGuy 2 years ago
I have had to to that before, don't you just love winter!
BWMax1282526 2 years ago
Switcher Heaters.
coolguy676 2 years ago
coolio
skinnyshit8888 2 years ago
its a pretty cool way to de ice the tracks but i would also imagine its kind of risky. I love watching the tracks like that when i ride the train in the winter tho
rockprogmetal 2 years ago
why is there such a big fire ahead tho?
FreezEntertainment 2 years ago
LOL! thats just another train coming!
DH082008 2 years ago
LOL
coolguy676 2 years ago
i hope you are joking. the tracks are obviously on fire. by the way they are switcher heaters, used to keep the tracks from freezing together.
RSSsailing 2 years ago
headlights of another train i suppose
Protogrolldroid 2 years ago
Would not ELECTRIC heaters be better?
Automatic and efficient.
Here, so much heat is simply lost to the atmosphere.
robertgift 2 years ago
there are a lot of things the government could buy for Amtrak.
bicyclexc 2 years ago 5
@bicyclexc like electrical point/switch heaters like in Europe,
hihat101 1 year ago
5*****
megatwingo 2 years ago
Those are switch warmers to prevent snow from getting stuck and screwing up the switch
turntablesihs008 2 years ago
Somewhat accurate, the flame is used to keep the points, or the 2 rails that determine the direction of the train, from freezing together to the outside rails. In that case, it will render the switch inoperable, and snarl traffic up.
CountVonBoco 2 years ago
man thats kool never knew they did that
devine666darkness 2 years ago
LIRR still does this at Jamaica
dneidorff 2 years ago
Propane switch heaters. It keeps the MoW from having to constantly go out to sweep the snow out of the frogs and switchpoints!
anb740 2 years ago
nice! classic de-freezing
trainsruleandroll 2 years ago
I think aircrafts use a similar de-icing technique
ASUSfan08 2 years ago
Thay do that so the track switches dont freeze up
ChicagoMETRA 2 years ago
They light the tracks on the fire so when a 15 mph train is going through the yard to get to union station the switching track does'nt freeze up and go on the wrong track and hit another amtrak or metra train.
Metracab123 3 years ago 2
when the Union Pacific Railroad was killing steam they used the 844 with some steam pipes coming out of the front directly from the boiler on to the tracks to melt snow and thaw ice. Just a little fact
nicholasbreeden 3 years ago
It was during the late 50s to 1961 when they were using it. After UP had stored/scrapped/retired all their steam. Railfan groups got UP to charter the 844 for trips and that is mainly why it is not stuff n' mounted or Toyotas.
wyomingrailfan 3 years ago
were you hanging out of the train?
AdWhWaHo 3 years ago
I have seen the yard workers near Union Station in Toronto use Kerosene mini flame throwers on the switch tracks in the winter when they freeze. This was back in the late 80's early 90's.
wouldyouohwait 3 years ago
Nice.
ibook133 3 years ago
Cool, In canada we use them Big Track switch Heaters... Never seen auctual Fire on Track level.
Cool Tho.
ibuy4unow 3 years ago
Those are switch heaters... They keep the switches from freezing in place.
TrainManTy 3 years ago
How'd that happen?
trainkids 3 years ago
This is perfectly normal. My dad worked in a railroad yard and they would do that to keep the switches from freezing over. His uncle drove an ATSF 4-8-4 that hit a frozen switch and caused a serious accident.
railmogul2 3 years ago
Wow....was he okay?
joeferrito 3 years ago
I will have to ask my dad but I think that event ended his career
railmogul2 3 years ago
that's kinda sad
joeferrito 3 years ago
is it 1871 again?!!?!?
dumb joke... lol
MattBNSF1991 3 years ago
I remember seeing those when traveling on the Northbound Hiawatha out of Chicago! This fire method is used during the winter times. Keep the switches from freezing into place.
gyjg6564167 3 years ago
wtf
losdowgg 3 years ago
And whats the Speed limited on the Train to Switch to another Track?
MarcelHall21 3 years ago
How did the Tracks Get on Fire?
MarcelHall21 3 years ago
;-)
Gerrit22041992 3 years ago
i knew why fire! There is fire, because there are movintracks and it is cold. So there is ice bad, because the train can have an accident then. Sorry for my english, i am from Germany
Gerrit22041992 3 years ago 10
You are correct Gerrit. The fires keep the switches from freezing solid. Your english is good! Guten Tag! : )
rickpawl 3 years ago 5
I've seen that when I take the train to Boston. Every few feet as you head toward's North Station through the Somerville yard, there are blue/yellow flames coming up from the rails to keep them from freezing over.
jph0917 3 years ago
@rickpawl In holland we do this too, but most times it fails... I think we go electric now!
robbbilo 8 months ago
Hey it looks like he has a Cascades unit as the third! Nice fire!
TommyBNSF 3 years ago
De-icing for sure, in my country we use electric heat into the switch. I'm very surprised to see that you use this method to keep your switches from freezing, doesn't it damage the track? And what if a train has to stop right on top of one of those fires? Anyway i guess they wouldn't do that if there was a real danger so i'm just surprised to see this ;)
Renard380 3 years ago
Not enough heat to do any damage. But I can't tell you what would happen if a train stoped over a fire lol.
SF3751 3 years ago
It is the Empire Builder, not the Zephyr.
trainsmaniac2009 4 years ago
How do you know?
rickpawl 3 years ago
Because the plant (junction) that it is going through is called Tower A-2 and the line that its coming off of is the Canadian Pacific/Metra line to Kenosha, WI. I've been on the Empire Builder once and I just know. Also, the consist of the cars are in the way of the Empire Builder consist. It is neat, though, because the third unit up front is an Amtrak Cascades F59PHI.
trainsmaniac2009 3 years ago
Why was there fire on the tracks?
Amtrakacela8 4 years ago
I didn't even notice at the time. I assume the little fires are to keep the switches from freezing, maybe? Anyone know?
rickpawl 4 years ago
think your right
Trains232 3 years ago
You are correct. Its a very old method, it looks like they haven't got the time to insert electreic heating machines in the switches...yet, so they go with this old method.
SF3751 3 years ago
Makes perfect sense because going into Chicago is like HELL! LOL
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bicyclexc 2 years ago
@rickpawl ya, it keeps them from freezing
BTCRAIL101FILMS 1 year ago
@Amtrakacela8 those are switch heaters, they keep the frogs and other parts of the switches from freezing
joshmeister4449 1 year ago
that looks like the Empire builder according to the consist
PVincent342 4 years ago