Call to replace NATO? Russia unveils European security pact

[rysio92]

This "security" pact is kind of 'smokescreen' prepared by russian until they will ready to invide former soviet countries and subordinate eastern europe agian. this is a big bullshit!

[XxxSakura101]

So Russia is scared of NATO, whats new?

[crazyfabio1]

@XxxSakura101 haha Russia have biggest nuclear current stockpile 12 000 :) My russian friend tell me this all westerns are cowards only germans are strong nato bunch of murders of womens and childrens in afganistan and iraq

[XxxSakura101]

@crazyfabio1 NATO has 13,500 nuclear weapons, and a budget 14 times larger than Russia, along with 6 times more men, and 22 times more industrial capacity. Do you want want to compare Russia to NATO?

(btw, i'm ignoring you're troll statements so don't bother saying anything else like the rest, as i will ignore them as well. ;) )

[crazyfabio1]

@XxxSakura101 haha from where are those 13500 nuclear weapons usa have 8000 nuclear weapons uk and france both have 1000 nuclear weapons nato 30 countrys vs one

[pakjai]

@XxxSakura101 should compare NATO to SCO instead.

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

@crazyfabio1 Your russia friend lives in a third world country

[kilomeister]

can scotland join. our english neighbours are losers. we both have st andrrrew.

[FcK2420]

i would like a united european defence with russia included.

[Obasiliasfilosofos]

Can China come too?

[AmersfoortTristan]

With the Russians in one league. Not a bad idea... they are Europeans like we are (I don't like Russians all that much though but they are still European) and maybe they will be less imperialist then the yankees. We would need a pan-European weapons program.

[CommieToast]

they say us shooting some sand niggers. they hatin.

[hondacivic1992]

As long as it does not compromise Russia's national sovereignty, I won't be against it.

[deceiver123m]

@hondacivic1992 i guarantee you the bankers in london and the war industrial nations will make sure it compromises russias national sovereignty and they will like envoke some kind of regional economic agreement next since the military pact worked so well... theyll say hey why not euro-russian union? or even euro-asian union?

[glendelio]

sorry ok

[glendelio]

what germany did was not oke

[infiltratorr]

lol

[anilraj420]

NATO is needed in the world dont its all yall other countrys that wanted it also after world war 2 so if yall get invaded by russia the usa would have to save your ass..fucken europe forgets shit let them get invaded who they gona run to

[glendelio]

@anilraj420 first of all in world war 2 it was the germans that invaded russia and russia also helped with the allies not only the US so russia US and a large part of europe against germany and germany losed but after 4 years with many casualties on both sides is not a shame for germany it shows how strong europe is now that europe will become one nation believe me that we dont need you're american hypocrites no more

[uzijohn]

NATO was designed to protect Europe and surrounding countries from Soviet aggression,

The threat wants to join the solution?

If Russia is no longer a threat,

NATO should be dissolved

Remember it was Russia, who signed a secret pact with Hitler,

Remember the first WW-II atrocity,

the Katyn Massacre commited by Russia

Remember sources leaked Soviet plans to invade Europe before WW-II,

This explains the huge and hidden military build up in Russia's far east

[davormasnik]

All bullshit. West has no moral rights to talk about soviet - german pact after Neville Chemberalin and betrayal of Checkoslovakia.

Soviet plan of invading Europe is another western propaganda bull shit. Just before the WW2 Stallin eliminated entire military lidership and as a result had germans near Moscow and in Stalingrad.

[uzijohn]

davormasnik,

It's not bullshit, unless you believe the misdeeds of others absolves your own?

FACTS:

#1) Russia and Germany were originally cohorts of aggression;

they invaded Poland together (1939)

#2) Russia rounded up Polish military officers, policemen, intellectuals, murdered them (1940) and buried 22,000 bodies

#3) When discovered, Soviets lied and falsely blamed the Germans

#4) USSR murdered 35-45 million people

#5) All Communist's are liars and their word isn't worth a shit!

[davormasnik]

1. Red Army1939. took teritories of Western Ukraine which was given to Poland as award for taking part in war against bolseviks. And, these land ttoday belong to Ukraine so you talk to them about it.

Also you Poles always forget to say that you had the same pact with Hitler 1934 and you also cooperated with Hitler in division of Checkoslovakia 1938.

[davormasnik]

NKVD killed polish officers and NKVD is not Russia. The most of NKVD victims were Russians. Stalin and Beria comanded NKVD and no one was Russian. Also, founder of NKVD was Polish bolsevik Felix Djerzinsky. What now?

3. All politicians lie. USA and UK attacked and destroyed Iraq with false evidencde and Poland as a best american servant joined in ocuppation and destruction of that country.

[uzijohn]

If you Wikipedia NKVD youll see an article tracing them to Stalin and Russia 1934, theyre symbol even has a

hammer & sickle in the center of it,

The Encyclopedia Britannica says the same,

The region in question was under Soviet control,

No outside force could round-up and march off with 22,000 people without the Russians knowing about it

And no, Im not Polish

[davormasnik]

4. That number is science fiction. All I know is that Red Army saved your polish asses, otherwisw, Germans would have wipe you form the face of the Earth.

5. The same answer as 3.

And your theory that USSR had a plan of invading Europe is bull shit. Because that means thet german attack on USSR is preventive attack so that also meaNS that Hitler defended Europe against bolsevism.

It is fascist theory.

[uzijohn]

davormasnik,

The Soviet Union admitted to atrocities committed by Stalin years ago, they include purposeful starvation and mass murder, for this reason they began removing his images and statues

So far as Russian plans to invade Europe, time and again something comes out supporting this,

Evidence would be embarrassing,

no doubt the allies would hide this

Russia told lies before, during and after WW-II, I wouldnt put anything past them

[Acez1992]

and Leningrad(st.petersburg) :)

[davormasnik]

usijohn said:

Remember it was Russia, who signed a secret pact with Hitler,

Remember the first WW-II atrocity,

the Katyn Massacre commited by Russia

I remember Soviet Army breaking nazi neck in giant fight when all world was on its knees. Everytng else you said is nonsense, especcialy soviet intension to ""invade Europe"" before WWII. That is propaganda but too stupid. Find something better.

[uzijohn]

davormasnik,

Half true, the Soviet people did most of the fighting and dying against the Nazi's,

but its not a glorious story

Russian leaders wasted men like dirt, they were thrown into battle like meat into a grinder, millions died unnecessarily

Poorly trained men were sent into battle, while highly trained troops held the rear

picking-off deserters and threatening them forward

Communist troops shot more of their own men than ALL British troop losses in the entire war

[aldona99]

They are in the midst of dissolving NATO. They are now talking about a European Army. My question is Why do We need a European Army? Against whom? The European People?

[aldona99]

Who were those sources? CIA Intel maybe? Yeah, right... False Flagging more like it! Its happening as we speak! In the Middle East, in America, UK...

[uzijohn]

aldona99, The sources of Stalins murder and brutality are "The Soviet Union Archives" Search Youtube "History channel - Declassified - Joseph Stalin 1-5" Watch for yourself A few quotes, In the Soviet army it takes more courage to retreat than advance Joseph Stalin (Notice this matches exactly what stated) One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic Joseph Stalin Death solves all problems - no man, no problem Joseph Stalin Are you seeing a trend here?

[uzijohn]

aldona99,

Also Youtube the video

"Joseph Stalin, the Real History"

[davormasnik]

uzijohn

for your information, Stalin died in 1953., and USSR does not exist any more. You live in the past.

[uzijohn]

davormasnik

You argued about Soviet history and so I brought up the history,

Understand I don't fault the Russian people for bad leaders,

Theyve paid a HIGH PRICE and deserve so much better, I wish them well!

[valleystylez]

i just wanna get my dick sucked. that's it!

[alvaradokids]

Im from reynosa tamaulipas mexico and live in berrien springs michigan usa...just looking at this proposal from afar it looks to be a great proposal,it wouldnt replace NATO but strenghten it...if europe would look into its history like ww2 were russia liberated europe from german agression it would be easy to see that a united eurasia would be better suited to face their grim future...

[RomanicusMaximus]

LA MIGRA ARRIVA, CARACHO!

[averageworkinggal]

RT, you should have got Medvedev to check first with Alex Jones before proposing this.

Involving the UN makes the new proposal dead on arrival because Jones' Ron Paul-Right Wing Extremist - Militia Movement kook political base want nothing to do with the UN - The UN is "Globalist Tyranny" to Jones/Paul and their Militia Movement kook political base.

You're threatening the US Constitution and Bill of Rights in their minds by involving the UN.

[TheNonConformative]

Fuck NATO!

(I live in a NATO country).

[murk2002]

Replace NATO? This is a Russian fantasy. There should be cooperation when it comes to mutual security, but there is no way NATO will be replaced.

[aldona99]

You're right. It should be abolished.

[mailmansoldier28]

this looks and sounds like world government

[aldona99]

Hahaha! I just thought of that old cheech and chong skit... if it looks like shite, smells like shite and tastes like shite, then it must be.

[pppoqqq63]

@mailmansoldier28 Just how long does it plan to stay that way is the real question??? I fear Russia is planning something devious, I want out of America and into Russia before it happens.

[Quiltingsando]

I wish there were PEACE organizations instead of all the military stuff. PEACE is not as profitable as WAR. " WAR is a RACKET" written by Gen. Smedley Butler The only ones who win are the gangster banksters. Russian , American and all people of the world are just cannon fodder, servants to warmongers. If only, the people of the world would not send their children to become soldiers to die and kill civilians. The wars will stop when the people get tired of being manipulated by governments

[huntsguy17]

RomanicusMaximus. sutup! your dumb ass! your are a ass hole people who is trying to make WAR! So burn in HELL and kiss the devil ass hole for me!

[dwadenuke]

2:41 OMG it's Stalin!!!

[RomanicusMaximus]

@dwadenuke indeed, a Stalin wannabe fucked up like the rest of them.

[mattlewis66]

Arbiter is spelled with an "e" not an "o."

Yes Americans will want to keep a presence -- "Over There, Over There, The Yanks Are Coming, the Yanks Coming . . ."

[RomanicusMaximus]

@mattlewis66 we did come and we cum up ur face, stupid russian. why the fuck you left ur fucked up country if is soooo gooood in there?

[mattlewis66]

You are strange and have a filthy mind.

I am not Russian.  I am a native American.

[RomanicusMaximus]

Meaning native like a Comanche or Dakota Sioux, or native like a russian in Hollywood?

[mattlewis66]

Meaning like regular white dude born in regular town from regular middle-class parents.

[Laranzava]

For ze motherland

[Laranzava]

For ze motherland

[RomanicusMaximus]

One more question addressed to RT webmaster:

Putin and Medvedev, are they lovers?

[igorvasilevsky]

You are like 5-old imbecile who are laughing on professor of quantum physics, that he is saying something which you can't understand and will not understand in perspective. LOL american clowns are funny dumbasses) Anmd even don't want to accept it)

[Tressco]

If so, Putin is definitely Butch...

[rsnboy08]

Here is your answer: Eat big, giant pile of shit and DIE!P.S.Yanni,Seriously!!!!!!!­!!!!hahahahahahahahahah you are a dushbag!

[RomanicusMaximus]

Major LOL on this one. I know RT News is the clown of world media, but I really laugh and could not stop laughing when hearing this Soviet sermon.

[rsnboy08]

Go watch some FOX "news",for yet some more scull fucking!

[mokdadmm]

I think Georia now is comming into NATO without Russia having the power now to stop it.

Because this is an unusual proposal by the Russian President, thus indicating that the Russians don't have the power now to deny Georgia and other boardering countries from joining NATO.

Notice how NATO is expanding rapidly towards Russian boarders. Plus notice how EU and NATO countries keep ignoring the Russian gas pipe to Europe project.

Do you see whats going on?

[igorvasilevsky]

Georgia can't be in NATO, because they have ethnic conflict with neighbour. This is one of the conditions - having no ethnic conflicts, to become NATO member (while we know that NATO is untrustful crap). That's why (not only) US neocons orchestrated Georgia war. But failed, as usual, just because truth is with Russia.

[mokdadmm]

Yes,that is true,but the problem is that NATO's law is corrupted,and America and Georgia have been conducting military excersizes on Georgian soil,and now America want to deploy Geogian troops in Afghanistan.America is breaking all treaties with Russia regarding Georgia and is slowly pushing Geogia into NATO.Besides,Georgia is participating just like any NATO member.And the biggest fear here,is that if Iran falls,Russia will be surrounded by NATO except from China.

[CitizenViews]

decency does not require security.

[charlessmyth]

NATO only persists because of the US' efforts to ensure that NATO persists. There is very little will for other NATO members to stay engaged beyond membership being a subsidy for a degree of security, so that they can spend money on bread and circuses. Russia will simply have to pay for its own defence, for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, Russia could show good faith by getting really serious about Iran.

[gosciu555]

Well the Anglo-Americans have essentially used NATO to USURP the military capabilities of these provinces there in Europe. They are just trying to syphon in more power and troops into their control. This is exactly what should be happening, continental European nationalists against the British Empire and friends. I was just thinking that something like this should happen.

[moidixmois1]

Thanks for making that point for me.

in reality the main purpose seems to be imperials. Why invade a country with military force when they are most likely to fight back. Why not take them over from inside.

I like the way they paint the picture. If your part of the pact then your protected. But what they don't tell you is, what about the countries not in the pact? Who will protect them if the pact wants to take them over militarily.

Sounds mobster like. Either surrender, or your die.

[rysio92]

@DestroyerAlexandros it's better than soviet/ russian slavery

[DestroyerAlexandros]

@rysio92 That's true.

[getovsvk]

my country being part of this teroristic organisation called NATO was pissing me off since we entered so i hope something like this happens soon =)

[SC88213]

It is desirable but impossible, given the antagonistic nature of international politics. Medvedev proposing this is for political purposes, he knows it won't succeed

[ovadafone]

this is the type of security agreements that led to ww1

[patatasbravas321]

VERONESEDAN: Money IS printed out of thin air.! See youtube video "Money as debt" it will explain all.

[chan0chap]

medvedev is on the zionist payroll

[GompCelticPL]

Any more info about that?

[igorvasilevsky]

Russia is playing a game with 3 sides of "secret societies" - Rockefellers (Illuminati, Yale University), Rotschilds (B'nai B'rith, London-Hong Kong), Royals (Opus Dei, Spain). Medvedev - with Rockfellers, Putin - with Royals. (in Russia's interests). Both fighting for world dominance against Rotchilds who are sending structure in China.

Russia/Roys going to win in fight between Rocs&Rots.

Rotchilds crushing dollar under control ("Zero").Last emission 9,5 trillions-to sell actives for Rots.

[cryoslave88]

It confuses me, I would think Europeans would find American soldiers on their soil to be embarrassing. Perhaps the EU governments think that the US is a free security force, the reality is the opposite. Medvedevs proposal is a sound one.

[ELMOcall911]

This does not sound good at all...i smell nazi zionistic treaties being put together to harm any nation that does not agree with NATO or EU or U.N. So basically if they say its good it only means its good for the elites and corporations and bad for civilians and any nation that do not agree....

[SuperTankT95]

It is never hapen, because NATO antiRussian organization. USA use NATO as instrument for control under Europe. They will try keep it any way.

[AnonymousCthulhu]

The world also needs to work together. Science, Infrastructure, all of it. We need to stop this primitive 'black and white' 'tribe vs tribe' bullshit. We need to stop killing each other. We need to stop pumping trillions of dollars into war, hate, and death but rather peace, love, and life. Build schools, libraries, recreational centers, exchange information and ideas, inventions and investments.. All of it. Countries should still exist, but only as the placeholders of culture.

[ELMOcall911]

Dude are you on planet earth? i know you mean well.but you do realize that about 50% and/or more of all corporations, U.N., military industrial complexes, is funded and run by criminals in return they make profit out war.the world do not need a army what world needs to wake up to these monsters in the U.N. and U.S.A and to the western secret societies.not only that you have criminals in power admitting instigating war on purpose for profit and for there zionistic state ideals.. WAKE UP!!!!

[AnonymousCthulhu]

The world needs a united security force. We need to work together, not work separate.

[Scoutrussp7]

NATO like a peacekeeper? :D Don't make me laugh, NATO was created like agressive organization and it still is. NATO always invade somebody lol

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

@Scoutrussp7 Funny, We saw most of eastern europe and other countries around the world occupied and invades by Russia in its hayday

[scorpiooooooh]

In theory, this is a wonderful idea. In practice, it's very unlikely to happen. Russia would have to start doing the right things like recognize Chavez for what he is and get on the same page as the IAEA and NATO on the Korea & Iran nuke weapons program issues. How will China be factored in? Is this Russia's way of asking to form a re-branded NATO that saves face for Russia so the US and Russia may counter China's growing hegemony? Will this create an even larger MIC? So many x-factors.

[djslay34982]

@scorpiooooooh I don't think it is meant to counter China's growing influence. Russia and China are still part of the Shanghai agreement.Which is basically the anti-Nato.

[scorpiooooooh]

djslay...Have you forgotten that Russia had a non-agression pact with Hitler prior to and during the early days of WW2 but was still attacked by the Nazi's. Russia is pro-Russia and nothing else. Alliences, treaties and pacts are meaningless. Russia needs America to be economically strong and buy russian oil but they also want the price of oil high to make as much money as they can. Russian alegiance is only to Russa kid, they play both sides and frequently bet against their "friends".

[14842]

I like it , not scared of Russia ad all. NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen should consider Nato reforms and have Russia join their table. UN,Nato,Russian Peace defense counsel sounds cool. There is no need to destroy working institutions, But I do like a new name for Nato.

[aldona99]

NATO is another corrupt organisation and should not be trusted with its secret armies.

There's a Swiss Professor who has written a book on it. He's researched it, and has had access to many documents, so he konws what he's talking about. Forgot his name though. There's a lecture about NATO he gave, but its in German

[14842]

You are right we are fucked anyway. no need of European Russian security ,by the time our enemy has completed a nuclear missile, we all can go to hell. Its all about money, it all about power, its all about buying your own freedom. Each and every human being is programmed to be self centered egocentric , no real compassion no dignity, fraudulent to the bone will be thou Death as thou are dead yet never been alive before.

[vnvfan666]

A proposed world police force is scary.. Good by boarders and National Independence..The UN can not get anything right. Nor is NATO what it used to be so how would this proposed treaty work.

[GompCelticPL]

I think we should get out of NATO. I mean we attack Iraq and Afghanistan, we go to war over there and we spend the money we don't have, we go to European central bank to borrow the money they print out of thin air, these money lower the value of our currency, we become poorer, we spend it on some useless crap in Afghanistan and... we pay an interest on it. Cheez, that doesn't seem like a good deal to me. It surely is a great deal for the bankers and military industrial complex but not to me.

[ApachePiL0T]

European Central Bank prints money out of thin air? Hahaaaa................

You are sadly mistaken friend.

[GompCelticPL]

It does. Europe has even more debt than the United States. They didn't use to be as hellish as federal reserve but now they're as bad as FED. Ofc they print money out of thin air. Euro is a fiat currency what means it's not attached to gold nor silver.

[VERONESEDAN]

@ApachePiL0T your right that dude is a morron who thinks money is printed out of thin air...conspiricy theroy people are retarded

[ApachePiL0T]

I believe in plenty of conspiracy theories. But the European Central Bank can't, and doesn't have the ability to just conjure up money out of thin air.

If World Banks DID just print money that was able to be as strong as existing currencies we wouldn't be in this economic mess to begin with. So his, and your purpose is self defeating in nature, if you understand anything about the worlds current economic crisis.

[ApachePiL0T]

Yeah I implied the economic system is a conspiracy? Please don't twist things I say to fit your agenda.

You're thinking about Quantitative Easing, which is what banks do ONLY in poor economy to stimulate it. And believe me friend, every bank note printed is soon credited for.

And since when is "money" the only form of currency that's effecting the "Global Economy"? Certainly somebody who reads NY Times knows about gold, precious stones/metals. Criminals print money, called counterfeiting.

[troglodyte3344]

Its a good Idea. We should replace NATO anyway and Russia should be part of a new treaty. As long as they kick out igorvasilevsky.

[MoscowMaestro]

NATO is a war-mongering organisation which has been misused to attack sovreign countries. It is not a "peace-keeping" organisation at all.

[2011Stealth]

Haha coming from a russian, 90% of the former soviet states hate Russia. Thats a fact.

[dav4ix]

@MoscowMaestro yeah .. the real peace keeper is russia .. which attacks countries , annects teritories and points nuclear weapons to european capitals .. realy peaceful .. fuck you ruSSian..

[Brohanxx]

That sounds so sketchyy

[igorvasilevsky]

NATO is a Cold War old crap, a US organisation to spread their "interests" (occupying countries and killing civillians). NATO is only the source of destabilisation, which will paint anyone as enemy, because NATO NEED enemy to exist and justify multi-billion spendings.

World need new system of security, which will PREVENT WARS, not provoke. And where AGGRESSORS will not be painted as "little democratic victim".

I assure most of adequate diplomats will support European Security Treaty.

[amfikz]

NATO doesn't defending anybody, it's all just about oil, NATO even don't have any plan for defending baltic countries..