after trying NA programs and AA programs over 5 times. I went to narconon vista bay 3 years ago, it worked for me. I ended up working there as well, for two years... I will admit that I did hear about scientology sometimes, but I never felt pressured to join the church of scientology. So Im all for narconon, dont know much about scientology, but I'll tell you one thing, Id rather become a scientologist, jew, muslim, christian, rastafarian, or hindu, then die with a needle in my arm.
Better than burning out your brain with psychiatric "dual diagnosis" neuroleptic sobriety. I was a victim of this dual diagnosis ! Seroquel zyprexa sobriety hurt me.
damaged my health forever. exersize and sweating will never hurt you like shrink drugs.
well if u knew what exchange was about, its about doing things for others that do things for you. so it was giving back to help some people out like me who are less fortunate. im not saying that its not owned by scientologists, but i really dont give a shit who its owned by. if its a good program and it has helped me stay sober after 17 years of being a junkie, then i could give two shits less if it was a satanic program. No program will make someone healed its about personal choices.
Yes.. Narconon gave me what they call a scholarship free of charge. Had to pay absolutely nothing but the airline ticket out there. This program is very successful. I have been to over ten rehabs throughout my life and this program is very indvidualized and gets down to the root of all your problems. you have to want the help to get better. the program only works if u want to better your life. I dont work for them and im not affiliated with them in anyway.I believe in God, not aliens.
Uh-huh..interesting. What you are describing is in violation of the Scientology "Doctrine of Exchange". And at the end of the day, Narconon is indeed a Scientology owned enterprise. The payback for this "scholarship" wasn't by any chance the aggressive promotion of Narconon as a great rehab treatment, was it? Because the fact is that, despite Narconon's totally unfounded claims of 75% success, it actually has a lower success rate than other rehab programs.
This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
@mattmuller1 You, sir, are a clear liar and employed by the cult of Scientology to spread your propaganda. It's fortunate the general public are not as dumb as you to be a part of a total scam.
@drewgoloid you are funny. and nice assumptions. it will be two years this march 13 that I have been sober after 17 years of hard drug use. Narconon gave me the chance to come out to nevada to do their program for free. To this day after going to nearly 15 different rehabs I still say that their program is the best because of its individuality. And as for scienetology i think its whack. I go to abundant life church in kokomo indiana, a non denominational church.
This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
Are you claiming that you completed a Narconon program for free? Without paying any money or donating any of your own work time in return to Narconon? I'm very skeptical, to say the least.
Are you sure you mean Narconon and not Narcotics Anonymous? Because they're not the same thing at all.
This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
But they dont tell you about any of that, and that is where they are wrong. It could maybe help some people, but its so wrong when they suck desperte victims into their scam. Then they do everything they can to enusre that the "patients" or students dont ever figure out whats happening or have any way of getting help from the outside world. It is so wrong, and they should be charged with serious fradulant behavior. Preying on the week just shows their charcter and how they operate. LOSERS!
Narconon is rediculous. It may be ok if they told you all about them being connected with the church of scientology and that the techniques they used are the exact same things as the "TR's" that they use to connvert peoplle in the church of scientolgy, as they use at their "drug rehab facilities" . People who are defending them should be ashamed of themselves. Obviously you dont have someone or have not been hurt by them. They do everything possible to diconnect you from loved ones.
Scientologists HATE that this video comes up number one on YouTube searches for "Narconon". The more people find out the truth about Narconon's quackery and false claims, the less ill-gotten profits for the "church" of Scientology.
thats exactly the point i was trying to get across. It doesn't help any drug addict, or any one for that matter, when negative comments are thrown out to the public and people get an instant reaction to when they hear about "Narconon". What if that person's only chance of a life was Narconon? Would people finally see that it is a better option than death?
Thanks for the positive comments though, sometimes I felt like I was all alone in this ongoing debate.
It helps plenty of drug addicts who should be looking at more reliable rehab centers than Narconon to help them. Why would any person's "only chance of life" be Narconon? There are plenty of more affordable rehab programs with better track records than Narconon.
This is why Narconon is so shameless about making false claims about their success percentages.
Anytime that lady went to say something good about it, they cut her off or went to the next clip. Notice that? She wasn't even part of Narconon or Scientology.
The only people that have ever brain washed me were Christian church pastors. Narconon has a 75% success with getting people off of drugs- forever. My Dad is been clean for 11 years, and is a great father.
So what's your source for that fantastical "75% success rate" claim? Anything other than Scientology-sponsored PR sources for selling Narconon? I thought not.
@NarkAnon My claim is based off of knowing people who have gone through the program. Have you ever set foot into a Narconon? I've been to several over the country. The Narconon program saved my fathers life 11 years ago, and he has helped others achieve this same freedom. Why don't you go attack something that hurts people? Like KKK or something?
And I personally know people who were scammed by Narconon and had to get off drugs using a different, more reliable rehab process. What's your point? A certain small percentage of people get off drugs when they personally decide to quit, regardless of what rehab they choose. This does nothing to validate Narconon's quackery or their BS claim of 75% success (which I notice you didn't provide any sources to back up either).
The unethical leaders of the "church" of Scientology are desperate to keep the profits flowing from their front groups like Narconon. More people than ever are leaving Scientology and so added emphasis is being put on their supposedly "secular" groups that supposedly "help people" (always at an inflated cost, of course).
If you have a drug problem, get help ASAP, but avoid Narconon at all costs!
No im not part of that group, questionable methodology? agreed! inflated fees? agreed! (even though i dont know their book keeping) I have witnessed first hand the amazing changes in people whilst on the program and if it works it works. if it doesnt then this place is not for you. at the end of the day they are giving people an option to get off drugs with them, i just dont get how people could throw such negative comments to such a postive cause thats all.
Again the STATED cause of Narconon is positive, and I don't doubt that the intentions of many of those who work there are noble, but the L Ron Hubbard money-making and Scientology-spreading mentality is what lies at the core of Narconon's "noble" image.
no not really lol.... i just seen it first hand that it does work and compared to using drugs to cure drug taking is a bit whack to me. This is just another option for people for a way out of their battles. thank you for reading my comments by the way!
@johni1269 You're fine, you're only defending something that helps people. This guy NarkAnon reads or hears something and believes it automatically. Especially if it's bad. The members of WISE or any organization have a term called "hard sell" but it's basically them doing the best they can to get a life changing product out to you. At the end of the day, if you say you're not interested, then people will let you go no problem. People want to help you. That's it.
@GriffinHenderson21 said: "The members of WISE or any organization have a term called "hard sell" but it's basically them doing the best they can to get a life changing product out to you."
LOL - now I know you're a Scientologist. Scientology and its front groups talk a big talk about "helping people", but at the end of the day it's all about 2 things: money, and promoting Scientology. I've seen this firsthand, not just "read or heard about it".
Do you not understand this is an option? Every individual can make up their own mind about this place and it really doesnt help the "drug addicted person" to read biased comments. Even if its a 1% chance of the person affected to not use drugs thats still 1% more than what ever the persons status is. I Agree for the drug affected person to get help but make sure you do your research and not listen to clowns who seem to knock down something that is trying to help man-kinds survival
"Something that is trying to help mankind's survival"?
That's a bit of a grandiose description for a Scientology-run rehab program that uses questionable methodology and charges inflated fees. You wouldn't happen to be a Scientologist would you, because that's exactly the type of hyperbole they use to try to sell Scientology as being "mans last hope for true freedom".
BTW, I have researched Narconon - and that involves looking at more than pro-Narconon testimony. And you?
I've protested outside one -- does that count? :)
But seriously - since I've never had a drug problem, I've never been inside any rehab center - but that has nothing to do with Narconon's documented lies and hyperbole. I have been inside enough Scientology Orgs, WISE businesses and exposed to enough Scn double talk and hard sell bullshit to know how they operate.
Narconon uses all the same basic indoctrination tactics - TRs, re-defining vocabulary, "us vs them", etc.
why the hell would you talk down such a positive life changing program? i mean they are trying to fight for survival and you guys notice tom cruise jumping on the couch? ( i must admit its pretty damn funny) but regardless.... this program is giving the community an option to be clean and not use drugs to combat drugs. I mean you don't put out a fire with fire do you?
Just because a profit-driven programs claims it is a positive, life changing program that has a large success rate doesn't mean it's so. Narconon charges large fees for unproven methodology while selling vulnerable patients on L Ron Hubbard and the Scientology philosophy.
My advice to any drug addicts would be "Get help as soon as possible, but get it somewhere other than Narconon."
"The Northern Territory Department of Health has warned the Church of Scientology not to give people medical advice on how to detox from drugs and alcohol..."
Scientology's QUACKERY exposed and debunked again!
I did the Narconon program and it worked. Some people are so quick to just follow what they hear from others without taking the trouble to actually look. |I know many people who have done the program and aren't Scientologists. Who says you have to become one because you did the program. i know many programs that do have a religious base and only through giving your life to ____ will you be free from drugs. That is not the case with Narconon.
A typically scripted defense of Narconon often seen posted by Scientology staffers employed by Narconon. What you neglected to mention is that "doing the program" costs around $25,000-$30,000 dollars (nonrefundable of course), and that Narconon's bold claims of 70%+ success rates are completely unfounded.
Narconon might not mention the word "Scientology" directly, but the recruitment techniques are still there to exploit the vulnerable.
Courthouse News Service - Oct 21, 2010 A father claims Narconon International and the Association for Living and Education International are fronts for Scientology, and that he paid them $35,500 for "essentially worthless treatment" for his drug-addicted son. He says the groups run rehab programs "to enrich themselves and to provide a recruit base for the Church of Scientology rather than to provide competent treatment for chemical dependency."
Dude people think for yourself, stop letting the media and negative ass people tell you what's up. I went through this program and it was fuckin sick... I am not a scientologist, they do use techniques based on scientology don't be so quick to judge them because they save your fucking life if your a drug user. These people bashing it could potentially be ruining lives, turning people away because this shit works.
what rehab in the usa is allowed to preach a religon , or cult , a big no no , but somehow this cult seems to somehow get by all there laws. i say put them next to west bourough church , and leave them alone for a few weeks , that would be pricless
I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
@Camio31 You're what we call a "tool". And if you were stupid enough to even consider using controlled substances in your life, then you are not a very credible source.
Churches throughout history have known that you go after people when they are wounded and weak. $cientology is no different.
Fix yourself. Man the fuck up. There are no bearded floating fairies in space that are watching you, no trapped souls on your backs, no tantrum throwing gods that cause earthquakes due to titties being shown.
Only bad people that take advantage of the stupid people.
Scientologists HATE that this video comes up as #1 on any YouTube search for "Narconon". They constantly try to spam up their own PR-friendly videos full of bullshit claims about how great Narconon is, but somehow the TRUTH remains on top. Too bad.
I stayed at the Narconon river retreat in Louisiana for 5 days. I was transfered to a 12 step facility because my Familiy found out that NARCONON IS NOT JCEHO aproved. When I got to the 12 step facility they had to take me to the hospital due to toxic levels of Vitamins. Just 5 days of there BS fucked my liver up. Thanks LRon. Plus the reprograming is evident from the start....stay away and get help with a rehab that is JCEHO aproved.
Let´s all gather some money from everyones pockets all over the world and hire very, now hang on to me here VERY skilled people to make the bad people go away in one week.
A prospector once said, The more the chance of gold, the more dirt you dig. Scientology is digging one hell of a hole and the dirt on them is piling up. The fact the CoS and there related groups are here (excluding free zone cuase the don't employ such dirty tricks) sickens me as an Aussie. The sooner the CoS goes the better
this video is bull shit . i am now home for christmas after doing almost 5 months of the narconon program and i am happy and i gained my normal and productive life back . fuck these haters
Hey man, you can't say that there ain't nothing suss, you found your gold but there is a lot of dirt to get through to find it, and L Hubbards history in these this have been very dirty. Hell his wife was arrested by the feds in the 70's. you can't say that aint an indicator of a ittle bit of sussness
Find out more about Narconon's shady dealings and Scientology links by watching these videos:
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This is info that the salesmen for Narconon don't want you to see. Narconon generates money for the "Church" of Scientology that gets funneled back to their leader David Miscavige. They need to keep the cash flowing, but those darn FACTS keep getting in the way.
Let's analyze the oh-so-typical Scientologist response to criticism of Narconon (or any other Scientology front groups for that matter)...
1. "What is your problem? What's wrong with you?" -- this is the Scientology policy of "attacking the attacker" or shifting the critical focus away from the issue and onto the critic.
2. "You are an enemy of freedom of religion" (funny - I thought Narconon was supposed to be "secular") -- freedom of religion does NOT protect fraud or silence critics.
3. "Why are you fighting a successful program that helps people?" -- this is assuming that Narconon fits that description, despite evidence to the contrary.
4. "5 success stories for every detractor" -- Overlooking the fact that Narconon (like any Scientology front group) REQUIRES "success stories" be submitted or else they keep charging more money for repeat courses, that statistic is a fabrication.
5. "You're angry/weird and need evaluation" -- Nope, just calmly giving FACTS.
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Narconon IS successful. It worked for me and many other very good people that I know. I am not paid by them, I have no connection to Narconon anymore. I am stating factually that the program made my life better. Don't believe all these foolish haters and the biased idiots who made the above film. Narconon is a very good organization that helps people, they are not a front group for scientology. They are a very successful drug rehabilitation center with a very good system.
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What is your problem with Narconon? I just don't get it, why are you so anti, it is wierd. You are as wierd as you claim any scientologist to be. You are the same type of people the founding fathers fled England from; a religious zealot dead set on clamping down on people rights to freedom of religion. What happened to you that you are fighting so, a program that I garauntee you has 5 success stories for every detractor. You really need to do some self evaluation and figure out why you're angry
Anyone who truly needs help for drug addiction should get help of course.
But they should do the research before plunking down that $30,000 non-refundable fee that Narconon will demand. L Ron Hubbard's Scientology quackery is NOT the answer to drug addiction or the over-prescription of mood-altering drugs.
My program didn't cost that much. And there are a lot of costs incurred at a place like that; food for 4-6 months, therepy costs, staffing, doctors and nurses, land and building lease, computers.....all kinds of stuff. Getting clean ain't cheap these days, no matter where you go.
The two posters below who are shilling for Narconon are claiming that "Scientology wasn't mentioned" during Narconon's program.
Well, how about the Scientology doctrine of "suppressive persons"? How about the Scientology policy of "disconnection"? How about the Scientology "Training Routines" that teach a person to blank out their mind? How about biographies of L Ron Hubbard that claim he was a "great humanitarian"?
All of this propaganda and more is part of Narconon.
What is your problem with narconon dude? Did you attend one and have a bad experience or something? Because I did attend one, and it helped me greatly in my life. I saw a lot of other people get helped too, I saw it change a lot of peoples lives for the better. I was not brainwashed, it was not a cult. It was proffesionally run, comfortable, and I was treated and fed very well.
I notice that jfarris4417 is not directly addressing my individual points about the Scientology doctrine and propaganda that is INDEED part of the Narconon program.
Sure - not everyone who goes through Narconon becomes a Scientologist -- but that doesn't stop Narconon from using indoctrination techniques that "groom" people to accept L Ron Hubbard and Scientology when they're weak and vulnerable.
Google "narconon stone hawk lawsuit" to find out more about their fraud and false claims.
I really don't care about the points you are trying to make, I have no desire to get into a little ticky tack arguement with you. I will tell you this, the exercises we did at Narconon were designed to help us confront and deal with adverse situations and negative people. I learned how to better control myself and how to confront people. The people there and the system they had in place worked wonders, I really don't care who came up with it, or what religion they were, it wasn't about that.
jfarris4417 speaks like a true Scientologist who has been assigned to spin some positive PR for Narconon.
Meanwhile, those who want to actually investigate Narconon's unproven, pie-in-the-sky claims of 75% + success (a total lie, BTW) can do some research here:
Nope, your talking to a Roman Catholic brother, born and bred. But I sure don't discriminate against people. If ol Tom Cruise wants to jump up and down and laugh and roar maniacally then good on him, whatever flips yer switch.
As for the success rate deal, I don't know what to tell you. What would the success rate at any drug rehab be?
I am really curious; what is your beef with Narconon? It seems like you are very angry for some reason. There are bigger and better fights you could be fighting in the world I am sure. I am a bit defensive about Narconon, obviously, that is because I really had a positive experience and the majority of the people I attended with did to. You get the bad with the good in this life, and difficult places like drug rehab centers are no exception. Narconon is doing a lot of positive things, trust me.
One more thing, there is a thing in America called freedom of religion. Hell, if people want to worship the golden goat that is fine with me, it ain't my bag baby. If the same people that came up with worshiping the golden goat happen to come up with a great way to help people get off drugs; then good on them! No one forces anyone to worship the fucking goat, no one drags you out of your bed for the ceremony of the goat. So whats the big deal then? I'm off the sauce, thanks goat! Get it?
My brother completed Narconon and I have two friends who are nearing the completion of this program.
Never have I seen or heard a word about Scientology from my brother or my mates.
And they are all off the drugs that were destroying their lives. It's really a pity that this supposed "news program" presented this article in such a biased, sensationalised manner and presented the information as if it was FACT, rather than as impartial reporting...
I attended Narconon in Battle Creek Michigan for 5 months to help get off alcohol and drugs. Not one single time did anyone there talk to me about scientology. In fact, I was able to and encouraged to attend catholic church at a local area church. It was one of the best experiences in my life. The sauna program was awesome. I still to this day use saunas to cleanse and revitalize my body. Narconon is a fantastic organization and I would recommend it to anyone struggling with drugs and alcohol.
I have a friend in a Scientology "drug rehab" in Tennessee i cannot find any information about its location. I desperately need to contact my friend in this program, if anyone knows the address please contact me.
Narconon makes ridiculous, unsupported claims of 75%+ success rates. Why do they lie like that?
They also push the Scientology teachings of L Ron Hubbard on vulnerable people, including the Scientology principles of "false data stripping", "supprssive persons" and the "training routine" drills that grooms a person's mind to accept Scientology.
Be very, VERY suspicious whenever a person claims "I'm not a Scientologist, and Narconon is great!"
I completed a Narconon programme last year and it saved my life.I have no interest in Scientology but now live a drug free life without depression,anxiety or addiction.If ur an addict.Just go x
Below we see a typical example of the Scientologist paranoid conspiracy theory fron "MrfatFingers". This results when the media exposes the scams and unethical behavior of Scientology.
Scientologists have been conditioned to believe that anyone who criticizes Scientology or any of its front groups (like Narconon) is a "criminal" or a "suppressive person" who is doing the work of the evil psychiatrists.
L Ron Hubbard hated psychiatrists because they exposed his craziness and debunked $cn.
Not that I am in need of getting into a slinging match.
You have the right to express, hold and state your opinions as you see fit.
L.Ron Hubbard "hated" psychiatrists because psychiatrists hated themselves and their patients, otherwise they wouldn't be committing their inhuman acts of treason against humanity.
Try telling the parent of a 7yr old daughter who has committed suicide after receiving psych drugs from a psychiatrist --just how great psychiatry is.
MrFatFingers said : "L. Ron Hubbard 'hated' psychaitrsits because psychiatrists hated themselves and their patients... I can prove all my claims."
Oh really, you can "prove" that psychiatry has nothing but evil roots and negative results? How will you prove that - the Scientology "whole track" history of those evil psychs working for Xenu? LOL
There is a LOT wrong with psychiatry, but it has still helped millions more people than Scientology's own profit-driven quackery.
Google "SOK Kneeophytes" for a Scientology parody that includes the founder C. Spaught-Runn's battle against optometry, the invention of the Eam-eater (patent pending), SOK's very own celebrity Tim Starr and more!
Lets see Mr. Cruise send his Kids to a Narcanon facility.....would never happen..I'm glad I made it out alive, it took me about 2 days of Narcanon Trois-Rivieres to see that it was no good...and it took me another 8 Days to convince my family who put up the money to get me out of there...Check Narcanon Exposed..great website.
Please don't spell it NarcAnon. NarCONon is the organization that is associated with Scientology and Dianetics. "NarcAnon" with an A in the middle is a common contraction for Narcotics Anonymous, a 12-step program similar to Alcoholics Anonymous, and independent from any church or denomination. These "Nons" are two completely different things.
Every now and then the Scientologists pop up here and post their well-rehearsed defense of Narconon.
However, the FACTS speak for themselves. Narconon lies about its success rate and tries to insert Scientology methods into its treatments to make patients more open to Scientology.
Sorry tom cruise. Im currently studying some books on the mind. Its either Hubbard just copied some old psychology text book, or he is just making shit up
How can you say that something is the way that it is based on rumor? Narconon is a great program and has absolutely saved my life. They do not tell you that you have to be a scientologist, but the course work that they give you to overcome your addiction actually helps. It absolutely saved my life. Just because someone gets upset about something that maybe they did to this program, they think it gives them the right to down the program. I'm out of a 4 year daily addiction and back on track.
It's sad to see that some people just accept Narconon's fallacious claims and statistics just because they're Scientologists. A lie is a lie, even when it come from those who claim that they're "just helping people".
Note that Gabiwynne's extraordinary claim of over 75% success in Narconon is completely unsourced. It will of course remain unsourced, because Narconon has been making that same BS claim for years, and they have yet to back it up with any REAL third-party research.
"This claim is either misleading or miraculous. Without supporting data the evaluation team cannot but presume this document, however enticing, is a misleading claim." - CA Dept of Health
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Narconon is a very effective rehab programme. 75% of people are totally cured of their addiction and they go on to live perfectly normal lives after they finish the narconon programme.
Scientology leader David Miscavige doesn't want to see the general public find out about the scam of Narconon, or the fact that its claims of large success rates are bogus.
After all, Narconon brings in cash that ends up funneled back to the RTC (Religious Techonogy Center) that oversees Scientology's front groups. And who runs RTC, why that little napoleon dictator David Miscavige, of course!
Read the book Christaine F. if you want to know exactly what narcanon is. She goes into great detail about their drug councelling/auditing sessions. The book gives the impression that she eventually left Berlin to get off of heroin, but police reports and her file with social services shows that they allowed the move, even with criminal charges pending against her, because Christaine's family were afraid for her after threats were made by the CoS over her leaving the narcanon treatment center.
Too bad American television is too spineless to do stories like this in USA. It might save people from jumping out of the frying pan (dope) and into the fire (CULT of SCIENTOLOGY). I have done both and I would personally chose drugs. Drugs are much more fun than being in a mind control cult.
IT bothers me that these people have such a similar sounding name to NarcAnon (NA) which actually does help people. This is garbage and I am insulted that they would prey off the weak.
scientologists make those people think they need to spend lots of money do so, for eg if you buy a ferrari at 250k, if you can afford it, and drive down your local town you know people will look at you and this will probably make you feel good, yes? this treatment is just the same, except when you arrive to buy you have made your mind up, se friend its all in the mind.
Yo! Obviously, you have never HAD a drug problem -it wouldn't be a problem if it was easy, -my brother is STILL on crack and he has been "quitting" for like 10 years!!!!!!!
I was lucky enuf to see what the damage was b4 I got it 2!
Notice how, in several of the comments below, the supporters of Narconon are accusing those who criticize Narconon of being "drug traffickers."
Seems a bit odd, right?
Not when you realize that Scientology drills its members to "always attack, never defend". So you won't see any Narconon supporters providing proof for any of their inflated claims of success, they just spend all their energy attacking those how disagree with them.
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This is one treatment, however, for which knowledgeable medical supervision is a top priority. In the large doses needed -1,500 to 3,000 milligrams a day—niacin can cause liver problems. In fact, problems can start with doses as low as 500 milligrams, although some effects might not show up for years.
blupillredpill, account created, March 24, 2009, last sign in 1 week ago. Commented on 5 Narcanon videos with outrageous questions and claims. Check the background and expose these Scilon accounts, people, don't just give them an insignificant thumbs down.
I can swear NARCONON it's the best Rehab program in the world. Do you know a better one? Or just want destroy good people that is REALLY helping. How made this video??? a Drug-trafficker????
Paris - The Church of Scientology, will be tried in Paris on charges of organized fraud. If found guilty, the church could be declared illegal and disbanded. The trial is scheduled to begin on May 25.
I was at Narconon in 1986. That place was scary. A 15 year old girl got raped by a staff member, and half the staff knew and covered it up. I saw more dope inside there than on the streets. Then they tried to force me to do scientology stuff.
Your a sick fuck, you know that? I went to Narconon, and they helped save my life.
They wouldn't even allow you to talk about Scientology. I wanted to read Dianetics, and they wouldn't let me! They took my book. Your a real weird motherfucker.
Leave Scientology alone and worry about your own FUCKED UP LIFE!
Great for you:) Everyone has a right to choose what and how to believe.
I'm sorry about the cuss words, that was uncalled for. I can't believe how disgusting these anti-Scientology videos are. It's a disgrace to morality in America. The Bishop at my Church is who recommended me, and I THANK GOD EVERYDAY FOR THAT!
It does my heart good to think of how enraged the Scientologists must be every time they see that this video is still the number one result for any search for "narconon" on YouTube.
It does my heart good to think of how enraged the Scientologists must be every time they see that this video is still the number one result for any search for "narconon" on YouTube.
Note the generic pro-Narconon post below from "lelaconsuela". Note the there's no profile detail on the user, and the account was just set up a couple days ago.
Almost like the whole reason for that account's existence is to spam mindless praise on the Narconon videos. Hmmmmm...
after trying NA programs and AA programs over 5 times. I went to narconon vista bay 3 years ago, it worked for me. I ended up working there as well, for two years... I will admit that I did hear about scientology sometimes, but I never felt pressured to join the church of scientology. So Im all for narconon, dont know much about scientology, but I'll tell you one thing, Id rather become a scientologist, jew, muslim, christian, rastafarian, or hindu, then die with a needle in my arm.
alexxweldon 3 weeks ago
Go to Alcoholics Anonymous.It's free and it works.And its not a cult.Attraction not promotion!
sweet161402 1 month ago
Better than burning out your brain with psychiatric "dual diagnosis" neuroleptic sobriety. I was a victim of this dual diagnosis ! Seroquel zyprexa sobriety hurt me.
damaged my health forever. exersize and sweating will never hurt you like shrink drugs.
AkathisiA101 2 months ago
Want to see actual PROOF that Narconon is a recruiting tool for Scientology?
Look at the issue of "Narconon News", a document produced by Narconon itself, featured in this video:
/watch?v=vXPrJ_y3JD0
"Narconon helps get people up Ron's bridge to freedom [ie: Scientology]"
"Narconon is the bridge to the bridge!" --Narconon News, vol 6, issue 3
NarkAnon 5 months ago
The video presentation is obviously one sided.. not intended to broaden understanding. And with that lacks credibility.
upcycle 5 months ago
This is true. Narconon and Scientology are scams.
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Beaverateer 6 months ago
well if u knew what exchange was about, its about doing things for others that do things for you. so it was giving back to help some people out like me who are less fortunate. im not saying that its not owned by scientologists, but i really dont give a shit who its owned by. if its a good program and it has helped me stay sober after 17 years of being a junkie, then i could give two shits less if it was a satanic program. No program will make someone healed its about personal choices.
mattmuller1 7 months ago
@mattmuller1 Something tells me you are a scientologist.
Gligar13Vids 6 months ago
Yes.. Narconon gave me what they call a scholarship free of charge. Had to pay absolutely nothing but the airline ticket out there. This program is very successful. I have been to over ten rehabs throughout my life and this program is very indvidualized and gets down to the root of all your problems. you have to want the help to get better. the program only works if u want to better your life. I dont work for them and im not affiliated with them in anyway.I believe in God, not aliens.
mattmuller1 7 months ago
@mattmuller1
Uh-huh..interesting. What you are describing is in violation of the Scientology "Doctrine of Exchange". And at the end of the day, Narconon is indeed a Scientology owned enterprise. The payback for this "scholarship" wasn't by any chance the aggressive promotion of Narconon as a great rehab treatment, was it? Because the fact is that, despite Narconon's totally unfounded claims of 75% success, it actually has a lower success rate than other rehab programs.
NarkAnon 7 months ago
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This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
mattmuller1 7 months ago
@mattmuller1 You, sir, are a clear liar and employed by the cult of Scientology to spread your propaganda. It's fortunate the general public are not as dumb as you to be a part of a total scam.
drewgoloid 2 days ago
@drewgoloid you are funny. and nice assumptions. it will be two years this march 13 that I have been sober after 17 years of hard drug use. Narconon gave me the chance to come out to nevada to do their program for free. To this day after going to nearly 15 different rehabs I still say that their program is the best because of its individuality. And as for scienetology i think its whack. I go to abundant life church in kokomo indiana, a non denominational church.
mattmuller1 1 day ago
This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
mattmuller1 7 months ago
@mattmuller1
Are you claiming that you completed a Narconon program for free? Without paying any money or donating any of your own work time in return to Narconon? I'm very skeptical, to say the least.
Are you sure you mean Narconon and not Narcotics Anonymous? Because they're not the same thing at all.
NarkAnon 7 months ago
This is a bunch of bullshit. I attended the program for free. They let me come out there for nothing just because they knew how bad off I was and was willing to help. Im a christian and if they would of taught me anything about scientology and their fucked up beliefs I would of left. They have never once said anything to me about being a scientologist even after i completed the program. I was a heroin junkie for 17 years and I have been clean for over a year now.
mattmuller1 7 months ago
But they dont tell you about any of that, and that is where they are wrong. It could maybe help some people, but its so wrong when they suck desperte victims into their scam. Then they do everything they can to enusre that the "patients" or students dont ever figure out whats happening or have any way of getting help from the outside world. It is so wrong, and they should be charged with serious fradulant behavior. Preying on the week just shows their charcter and how they operate. LOSERS!
AgentNiteHawk 8 months ago
Narconon is rediculous. It may be ok if they told you all about them being connected with the church of scientology and that the techniques they used are the exact same things as the "TR's" that they use to connvert peoplle in the church of scientolgy, as they use at their "drug rehab facilities" . People who are defending them should be ashamed of themselves. Obviously you dont have someone or have not been hurt by them. They do everything possible to diconnect you from loved ones.
AgentNiteHawk 8 months ago
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Scientology&Evolution = Great deception masterpiece from Satan in the last day
"Repent&Believe only in Jesus before too late" or "Burn in hell for eternity"
fuckmania07 8 months ago
Scientologists HATE that this video comes up number one on YouTube searches for "Narconon". The more people find out the truth about Narconon's quackery and false claims, the less ill-gotten profits for the "church" of Scientology.
NarkAnon 9 months ago
And lest anyone get distracted from this great new article outlining the many scams and abuses within Narconon...
"Why Scientology's Rehabs are a Dangerous Scam" -- thefix(.)com
NarkAnon 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21
thats exactly the point i was trying to get across. It doesn't help any drug addict, or any one for that matter, when negative comments are thrown out to the public and people get an instant reaction to when they hear about "Narconon". What if that person's only chance of a life was Narconon? Would people finally see that it is a better option than death?
Thanks for the positive comments though, sometimes I felt like I was all alone in this ongoing debate.
johni1269 10 months ago
@johni1269
It helps plenty of drug addicts who should be looking at more reliable rehab centers than Narconon to help them. Why would any person's "only chance of life" be Narconon? There are plenty of more affordable rehab programs with better track records than Narconon.
This is why Narconon is so shameless about making false claims about their success percentages.
Research more here: crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 10 months ago
Anytime that lady went to say something good about it, they cut her off or went to the next clip. Notice that? She wasn't even part of Narconon or Scientology.
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
The only people that have ever brain washed me were Christian church pastors. Narconon has a 75% success with getting people off of drugs- forever. My Dad is been clean for 11 years, and is a great father.
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21
So what's your source for that fantastical "75% success rate" claim? Anything other than Scientology-sponsored PR sources for selling Narconon? I thought not.
NarkAnon 10 months ago
@NarkAnon My claim is based off of knowing people who have gone through the program. Have you ever set foot into a Narconon? I've been to several over the country. The Narconon program saved my fathers life 11 years ago, and he has helped others achieve this same freedom. Why don't you go attack something that hurts people? Like KKK or something?
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21
And I personally know people who were scammed by Narconon and had to get off drugs using a different, more reliable rehab process. What's your point? A certain small percentage of people get off drugs when they personally decide to quit, regardless of what rehab they choose. This does nothing to validate Narconon's quackery or their BS claim of 75% success (which I notice you didn't provide any sources to back up either).
Your story sounds like typical Narconon PR, BTW.
NarkAnon 10 months ago
Read this great new article on the many scams, lies and abuses of Narconon and Scientology:
"Why Scientology's Rehabs are a Dangerous Scam" -- thefix(.)com
NarkAnon 10 months ago
Google News search "scientology" right now to find out more about the greedy, unethical organization that owns and profits from Narconon.
NarkAnon 11 months ago
Narconon AA NA : Cults
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
The unethical leaders of the "church" of Scientology are desperate to keep the profits flowing from their front groups like Narconon. More people than ever are leaving Scientology and so added emphasis is being put on their supposedly "secular" groups that supposedly "help people" (always at an inflated cost, of course).
If you have a drug problem, get help ASAP, but avoid Narconon at all costs!
NarkAnon 1 year ago 21
You can get off drugs? But only when XENU humps your butt and by holding the butt plug in between your cheeks, while Scientology turns on the juice.
gina463210 1 year ago
Until they cease and desist from their unethical practices do NOT patronize them in any way, shape or form!
Nguli34689 1 year ago
@NarkAnon
No im not part of that group, questionable methodology? agreed! inflated fees? agreed! (even though i dont know their book keeping) I have witnessed first hand the amazing changes in people whilst on the program and if it works it works. if it doesnt then this place is not for you. at the end of the day they are giving people an option to get off drugs with them, i just dont get how people could throw such negative comments to such a postive cause thats all.
johni1269 1 year ago
@johni1269
Again the STATED cause of Narconon is positive, and I don't doubt that the intentions of many of those who work there are noble, but the L Ron Hubbard money-making and Scientology-spreading mentality is what lies at the core of Narconon's "noble" image.
find out more here: crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 1 year ago
@johni1269 Speculate much?
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21
no not really lol.... i just seen it first hand that it does work and compared to using drugs to cure drug taking is a bit whack to me. This is just another option for people for a way out of their battles. thank you for reading my comments by the way!
johni1269 10 months ago
@johni1269 You're fine, you're only defending something that helps people. This guy NarkAnon reads or hears something and believes it automatically. Especially if it's bad. The members of WISE or any organization have a term called "hard sell" but it's basically them doing the best they can to get a life changing product out to you. At the end of the day, if you say you're not interested, then people will let you go no problem. People want to help you. That's it.
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21 said: "The members of WISE or any organization have a term called "hard sell" but it's basically them doing the best they can to get a life changing product out to you."
LOL - now I know you're a Scientologist. Scientology and its front groups talk a big talk about "helping people", but at the end of the day it's all about 2 things: money, and promoting Scientology. I've seen this firsthand, not just "read or heard about it".
Open your eyes- your leaders are scam artists
NarkAnon 10 months ago
@NarkAnon
Do you not understand this is an option? Every individual can make up their own mind about this place and it really doesnt help the "drug addicted person" to read biased comments. Even if its a 1% chance of the person affected to not use drugs thats still 1% more than what ever the persons status is. I Agree for the drug affected person to get help but make sure you do your research and not listen to clowns who seem to knock down something that is trying to help man-kinds survival
johni1269 1 year ago
@johni1269
"Something that is trying to help mankind's survival"?
That's a bit of a grandiose description for a Scientology-run rehab program that uses questionable methodology and charges inflated fees. You wouldn't happen to be a Scientologist would you, because that's exactly the type of hyperbole they use to try to sell Scientology as being "mans last hope for true freedom".
BTW, I have researched Narconon - and that involves looking at more than pro-Narconon testimony. And you?
NarkAnon 1 year ago
@NarkAnon Have you ever set foot into a Narconon?
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
@GriffinHenderson21
I've protested outside one -- does that count? :)
But seriously - since I've never had a drug problem, I've never been inside any rehab center - but that has nothing to do with Narconon's documented lies and hyperbole. I have been inside enough Scientology Orgs, WISE businesses and exposed to enough Scn double talk and hard sell bullshit to know how they operate.
Narconon uses all the same basic indoctrination tactics - TRs, re-defining vocabulary, "us vs them", etc.
NarkAnon 10 months ago
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johni1269 1 year ago
why the hell would you talk down such a positive life changing program? i mean they are trying to fight for survival and you guys notice tom cruise jumping on the couch? ( i must admit its pretty damn funny) but regardless.... this program is giving the community an option to be clean and not use drugs to combat drugs. I mean you don't put out a fire with fire do you?
johni1269 1 year ago
@johni1269
Just because a profit-driven programs claims it is a positive, life changing program that has a large success rate doesn't mean it's so. Narconon charges large fees for unproven methodology while selling vulnerable patients on L Ron Hubbard and the Scientology philosophy.
My advice to any drug addicts would be "Get help as soon as possible, but get it somewhere other than Narconon."
NarkAnon 1 year ago
SCIENTOLOGY DETOX ADVICE 'COULD KILL PATIENTS'
ABC News Australia
Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:52am AEDT
"The Northern Territory Department of Health has warned the Church of Scientology not to give people medical advice on how to detox from drugs and alcohol..."
Scientology's QUACKERY exposed and debunked again!
NarkAnon 1 year ago
I don't know anything about this place. But if it's connected to scientology in some way, I'd be suspicious.
ophirdog 1 year ago
I did the Narconon program and it worked. Some people are so quick to just follow what they hear from others without taking the trouble to actually look. |I know many people who have done the program and aren't Scientologists. Who says you have to become one because you did the program. i know many programs that do have a religious base and only through giving your life to ____ will you be free from drugs. That is not the case with Narconon.
NarcononCapeTown 1 year ago
@NarcononCapeTown
A typically scripted defense of Narconon often seen posted by Scientology staffers employed by Narconon. What you neglected to mention is that "doing the program" costs around $25,000-$30,000 dollars (nonrefundable of course), and that Narconon's bold claims of 70%+ success rates are completely unfounded.
Narconon might not mention the word "Scientology" directly, but the recruitment techniques are still there to exploit the vulnerable.
crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 1 year ago
Narconon Rehab Called Front for Scientology
Courthouse News Service - Oct 21, 2010 A father claims Narconon International and the Association for Living and Education International are fronts for Scientology, and that he paid them $35,500 for "essentially worthless treatment" for his drug-addicted son. He says the groups run rehab programs "to enrich themselves and to provide a recruit base for the Church of Scientology rather than to provide competent treatment for chemical dependency."
NarkAnon 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=V7h_NOPEFAw&feature=channel
narconon helps lots of people
superlifeinsurance 1 year ago
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YouStoleMyShoe 1 year ago
Dude people think for yourself, stop letting the media and negative ass people tell you what's up. I went through this program and it was fuckin sick... I am not a scientologist, they do use techniques based on scientology don't be so quick to judge them because they save your fucking life if your a drug user. These people bashing it could potentially be ruining lives, turning people away because this shit works.
YouStoleMyShoe 1 year ago
what rehab in the usa is allowed to preach a religon , or cult , a big no no , but somehow this cult seems to somehow get by all there laws. i say put them next to west bourough church , and leave them alone for a few weeks , that would be pricless
DainEllis 1 year ago
hehe, i like your parody nickname.Hits the point exactly ;) Well choice.
MisterBenne 1 year ago
I was at Narconon Los Angeles. It is DEFINITELY a recruit centre for Scientology.
narcononymous 1 year ago
so um people from Narcono came into our school today and told us that the only way to get better from drus was Narcono......
crabpeoplesex 1 year ago
Find out more about the scam of Narconon and Scientology by researching at the following sites:
crackpots(.)org
xenu-directory(.)net
wikipedia: "narconon"
NarkAnon 1 year ago
all religion brainwashes people, please do not single out scientology, aand dont act like religion isnt bullshit anyway
danecooktz 1 year ago
Not true! This is simply very bad reporting.
addictrecoverystory 1 year ago
Not true!
addictrecoverystory 1 year ago
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lilvin69 1 year ago
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I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
Camio31 1 year ago
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I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
Camio31 1 year ago
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I just graduated Narconon and I wasn't subjected to any religious imposition, in fact my experience was entirely secular. I went to catholic church every Sunday. My favorite_ part was that they didn't give me one drug to replace another, like suboxone, or methadone...now that's a fucking joke. People use scientology as an excuse to leave Narconon, to whine to their mommy's and daddy's so they can go back and hit the needle. I've seen people criticize it, leave the program, and die from relapse.
Camio31 1 year ago
@Camio31 You're what we call a "tool". And if you were stupid enough to even consider using controlled substances in your life, then you are not a very credible source.
Basically, Fuck off XP
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Camio31 1 year ago
Churches throughout history have known that you go after people when they are wounded and weak. $cientology is no different.
Fix yourself. Man the fuck up. There are no bearded floating fairies in space that are watching you, no trapped souls on your backs, no tantrum throwing gods that cause earthquakes due to titties being shown.
Only bad people that take advantage of the stupid people.
AvatarOfAvatar 1 year ago 2
Scientologists HATE that this video comes up as #1 on any YouTube search for "Narconon". They constantly try to spam up their own PR-friendly videos full of bullshit claims about how great Narconon is, but somehow the TRUTH remains on top. Too bad.
crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 1 year ago 2
Yes, Narconon is dangerous as it's part of the great Scientology cult.
ethicomm 1 year ago
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Australia's "Today Tonight" exposes more of Scientology's lies and quackery in this NEW report from Feb 21, 2010...
/watch?v=cY5BfZrWU3c
NarkAnon 1 year ago 2
I stayed at the Narconon river retreat in Louisiana for 5 days. I was transfered to a 12 step facility because my Familiy found out that NARCONON IS NOT JCEHO aproved. When I got to the 12 step facility they had to take me to the hospital due to toxic levels of Vitamins. Just 5 days of there BS fucked my liver up. Thanks LRon. Plus the reprograming is evident from the start....stay away and get help with a rehab that is JCEHO aproved.
marcusdolby1 2 years ago 2
Let´s all gather some money from everyones pockets all over the world and hire very, now hang on to me here VERY skilled people to make the bad people go away in one week.
ByrackanUfool 2 years ago
A prospector once said, The more the chance of gold, the more dirt you dig. Scientology is digging one hell of a hole and the dirt on them is piling up. The fact the CoS and there related groups are here (excluding free zone cuase the don't employ such dirty tricks) sickens me as an Aussie. The sooner the CoS goes the better
HohnerD 2 years ago
Spoken like a true Scientology shill for Narconon.
Narconon is quackery that is calculated to promote the Scientology mindset to those who are weak and unsuspecting.
If you have a drug problem, get help ANYWHERE other than Narconon.
Just say NO to drugs AND Scientology!
crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
this video is bull shit . i am now home for christmas after doing almost 5 months of the narconon program and i am happy and i gained my normal and productive life back . fuck these haters
cosma89ro 2 years ago
Hey man, you can't say that there ain't nothing suss, you found your gold but there is a lot of dirt to get through to find it, and L Hubbards history in these this have been very dirty. Hell his wife was arrested by the feds in the 70's. you can't say that aint an indicator of a ittle bit of sussness
HohnerD 2 years ago
@cosma89ro You're a tool.
RudojiLape 1 year ago
l was about to say something but l BURPED and FARTED instead!!! OH well next time...
gobbwgo 2 years ago
Find out more about Narconon's shady dealings and Scientology links by watching these videos:
/watch?v=6p8X3vSplTg
/watch?v=BGpJ6s0Zf_o
/watch?v=UOsg7D7HyCQ
This is info that the salesmen for Narconon don't want you to see. Narconon generates money for the "Church" of Scientology that gets funneled back to their leader David Miscavige. They need to keep the cash flowing, but those darn FACTS keep getting in the way.
NarkAnon 2 years ago
Let's analyze the oh-so-typical Scientologist response to criticism of Narconon (or any other Scientology front groups for that matter)...
1. "What is your problem? What's wrong with you?" -- this is the Scientology policy of "attacking the attacker" or shifting the critical focus away from the issue and onto the critic.
2. "You are an enemy of freedom of religion" (funny - I thought Narconon was supposed to be "secular") -- freedom of religion does NOT protect fraud or silence critics.
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3. "Why are you fighting a successful program that helps people?" -- this is assuming that Narconon fits that description, despite evidence to the contrary.
4. "5 success stories for every detractor" -- Overlooking the fact that Narconon (like any Scientology front group) REQUIRES "success stories" be submitted or else they keep charging more money for repeat courses, that statistic is a fabrication.
5. "You're angry/weird and need evaluation" -- Nope, just calmly giving FACTS.
NarkAnon 2 years ago
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Narconon IS successful. It worked for me and many other very good people that I know. I am not paid by them, I have no connection to Narconon anymore. I am stating factually that the program made my life better. Don't believe all these foolish haters and the biased idiots who made the above film. Narconon is a very good organization that helps people, they are not a front group for scientology. They are a very successful drug rehabilitation center with a very good system.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
The Narconon shill is desperate to spam the embarrassing FACTS about Narconon's fraud off the front page.
But notice that the pro-Narconon folk can't give sources or facts to back up their used-car salesman claims.
Find out the TRUTH about the false claims, medical quackery and hidden Scientology agenda inside the Narconon program here:
crackpots(.)org
wikipedia: "narconon"
xenu-directory(.)net
Google: "narconon stone hawk lawsuit"
Just say NO to drugs AND Scientology!
NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
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What is your problem with Narconon? I just don't get it, why are you so anti, it is wierd. You are as wierd as you claim any scientologist to be. You are the same type of people the founding fathers fled England from; a religious zealot dead set on clamping down on people rights to freedom of religion. What happened to you that you are fighting so, a program that I garauntee you has 5 success stories for every detractor. You really need to do some self evaluation and figure out why you're angry
jfarris4417 2 years ago
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This video is complete bullshit. The people responsible for this video should be ashamed of themselves.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
Anyone who truly needs help for drug addiction should get help of course.
But they should do the research before plunking down that $30,000 non-refundable fee that Narconon will demand. L Ron Hubbard's Scientology quackery is NOT the answer to drug addiction or the over-prescription of mood-altering drugs.
xenu-directory(.)net
NarkAnon 2 years ago
My program didn't cost that much. And there are a lot of costs incurred at a place like that; food for 4-6 months, therepy costs, staffing, doctors and nurses, land and building lease, computers.....all kinds of stuff. Getting clean ain't cheap these days, no matter where you go.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
The two posters below who are shilling for Narconon are claiming that "Scientology wasn't mentioned" during Narconon's program.
Well, how about the Scientology doctrine of "suppressive persons"? How about the Scientology policy of "disconnection"? How about the Scientology "Training Routines" that teach a person to blank out their mind? How about biographies of L Ron Hubbard that claim he was a "great humanitarian"?
All of this propaganda and more is part of Narconon.
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NarkAnon 2 years ago
What is your problem with narconon dude? Did you attend one and have a bad experience or something? Because I did attend one, and it helped me greatly in my life. I saw a lot of other people get helped too, I saw it change a lot of peoples lives for the better. I was not brainwashed, it was not a cult. It was proffesionally run, comfortable, and I was treated and fed very well.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
I notice that jfarris4417 is not directly addressing my individual points about the Scientology doctrine and propaganda that is INDEED part of the Narconon program.
Sure - not everyone who goes through Narconon becomes a Scientologist -- but that doesn't stop Narconon from using indoctrination techniques that "groom" people to accept L Ron Hubbard and Scientology when they're weak and vulnerable.
Google "narconon stone hawk lawsuit" to find out more about their fraud and false claims.
NarkAnon 2 years ago
I really don't care about the points you are trying to make, I have no desire to get into a little ticky tack arguement with you. I will tell you this, the exercises we did at Narconon were designed to help us confront and deal with adverse situations and negative people. I learned how to better control myself and how to confront people. The people there and the system they had in place worked wonders, I really don't care who came up with it, or what religion they were, it wasn't about that.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
jfarris4417 speaks like a true Scientologist who has been assigned to spin some positive PR for Narconon.
Meanwhile, those who want to actually investigate Narconon's unproven, pie-in-the-sky claims of 75% + success (a total lie, BTW) can do some research here:
narconon-exposed(.)org
wikipedia: "narconon"
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NarkAnon 2 years ago
Nope, your talking to a Roman Catholic brother, born and bred. But I sure don't discriminate against people. If ol Tom Cruise wants to jump up and down and laugh and roar maniacally then good on him, whatever flips yer switch.
As for the success rate deal, I don't know what to tell you. What would the success rate at any drug rehab be?
jfarris4417 2 years ago
I am really curious; what is your beef with Narconon? It seems like you are very angry for some reason. There are bigger and better fights you could be fighting in the world I am sure. I am a bit defensive about Narconon, obviously, that is because I really had a positive experience and the majority of the people I attended with did to. You get the bad with the good in this life, and difficult places like drug rehab centers are no exception. Narconon is doing a lot of positive things, trust me.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
One more thing, there is a thing in America called freedom of religion. Hell, if people want to worship the golden goat that is fine with me, it ain't my bag baby. If the same people that came up with worshiping the golden goat happen to come up with a great way to help people get off drugs; then good on them! No one forces anyone to worship the fucking goat, no one drags you out of your bed for the ceremony of the goat. So whats the big deal then? I'm off the sauce, thanks goat! Get it?
jfarris4417 2 years ago
OMG what a joke...
My brother completed Narconon and I have two friends who are nearing the completion of this program.
Never have I seen or heard a word about Scientology from my brother or my mates.
And they are all off the drugs that were destroying their lives. It's really a pity that this supposed "news program" presented this article in such a biased, sensationalised manner and presented the information as if it was FACT, rather than as impartial reporting...
gster73 2 years ago
I attended Narconon in Battle Creek Michigan for 5 months to help get off alcohol and drugs. Not one single time did anyone there talk to me about scientology. In fact, I was able to and encouraged to attend catholic church at a local area church. It was one of the best experiences in my life. The sauna program was awesome. I still to this day use saunas to cleanse and revitalize my body. Narconon is a fantastic organization and I would recommend it to anyone struggling with drugs and alcohol.
jfarris4417 2 years ago
I have a friend in a Scientology "drug rehab" in Tennessee i cannot find any information about its location. I desperately need to contact my friend in this program, if anyone knows the address please contact me.
infested655 2 years ago
Narconon makes ridiculous, unsupported claims of 75%+ success rates. Why do they lie like that?
They also push the Scientology teachings of L Ron Hubbard on vulnerable people, including the Scientology principles of "false data stripping", "supprssive persons" and the "training routine" drills that grooms a person's mind to accept Scientology.
Be very, VERY suspicious whenever a person claims "I'm not a Scientologist, and Narconon is great!"
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NarkAnon 2 years ago
I completed a Narconon programme last year and it saved my life.I have no interest in Scientology but now live a drug free life without depression,anxiety or addiction.If ur an addict.Just go x
tylerjames777 2 years ago
hey jessie
eren298 2 years ago
Find out more about the scam of Narconon at : crackpots(.)org
NarkAnon 2 years ago
Below we see a typical example of the Scientologist paranoid conspiracy theory fron "MrfatFingers". This results when the media exposes the scams and unethical behavior of Scientology.
Scientologists have been conditioned to believe that anyone who criticizes Scientology or any of its front groups (like Narconon) is a "criminal" or a "suppressive person" who is doing the work of the evil psychiatrists.
L Ron Hubbard hated psychiatrists because they exposed his craziness and debunked $cn.
NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
Not that I am in need of getting into a slinging match.
You have the right to express, hold and state your opinions as you see fit.
L.Ron Hubbard "hated" psychiatrists because psychiatrists hated themselves and their patients, otherwise they wouldn't be committing their inhuman acts of treason against humanity.
Try telling the parent of a 7yr old daughter who has committed suicide after receiving psych drugs from a psychiatrist --just how great psychiatry is.
I can prove all my claims.
MrFatFingers 2 years ago
MrFatFingers said : "L. Ron Hubbard 'hated' psychaitrsits because psychiatrists hated themselves and their patients... I can prove all my claims."
Oh really, you can "prove" that psychiatry has nothing but evil roots and negative results? How will you prove that - the Scientology "whole track" history of those evil psychs working for Xenu? LOL
There is a LOT wrong with psychiatry, but it has still helped millions more people than Scientology's own profit-driven quackery.
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NarkAnon 2 years ago
The purification program had helped me to recover from a marijuana drug habit as well as speed and alcoholism.
Check all sides of the story and realise that the media is owned by large vested corporate interests.
MrFatFingers 2 years ago
marijuana drug habit?dude you must be aLOSER if you got hoooke don WEED?
Blaspherian666 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Google "SOK Kneeophytes" for a Scientology parody that includes the founder C. Spaught-Runn's battle against optometry, the invention of the Eam-eater (patent pending), SOK's very own celebrity Tim Starr and more!
Canaderek 2 years ago
scientology = cult.... id love to see them all die out.. TOME CRUISE THE WHOLE WORLD HATES YOU NOW
julzbra1 2 years ago 4
Please hate Scientology not scientologists: they are victims of brainwashing.
But i can understand everybody hates Tom now :) He's gone too far.
Look "XENUTV" on youtube.
Rotulette 2 years ago 18
Lets see Mr. Cruise send his Kids to a Narcanon facility.....would never happen..I'm glad I made it out alive, it took me about 2 days of Narcanon Trois-Rivieres to see that it was no good...and it took me another 8 Days to convince my family who put up the money to get me out of there...Check Narcanon Exposed..great website.
FUCK NARCANON...................
netefrog 2 years ago 16
@netefrog
Please don't spell it NarcAnon. NarCONon is the organization that is associated with Scientology and Dianetics. "NarcAnon" with an A in the middle is a common contraction for Narcotics Anonymous, a 12-step program similar to Alcoholics Anonymous, and independent from any church or denomination. These "Nons" are two completely different things.
PetroniusArbiter2 1 year ago
@netefrog
I stand behind you as a loving parent ....it has destroyed my son ,,,he is now in a Psych Ward ...been there for 6 weeks .....NO RESULTS ..
spremnost 1 year ago
@netefrog what you say doesn't mean much. You're a Drug addict.
GriffinHenderson21 10 months ago
narCONon for sure.
AnonRanGER01 2 years ago 3
Every now and then the Scientologists pop up here and post their well-rehearsed defense of Narconon.
However, the FACTS speak for themselves. Narconon lies about its success rate and tries to insert Scientology methods into its treatments to make patients more open to Scientology.
Just say NO to drugs AND Scientology!
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NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
its a good method. you can really clean yourself.
djkadirtube 2 years ago
tom cruise is a nut go to a goverment backed programme if you have a drug issue
ducksoup2007 2 years ago 5
Sorry tom cruise. Im currently studying some books on the mind. Its either Hubbard just copied some old psychology text book, or he is just making shit up
Nades129 2 years ago 5
How can you say that something is the way that it is based on rumor? Narconon is a great program and has absolutely saved my life. They do not tell you that you have to be a scientologist, but the course work that they give you to overcome your addiction actually helps. It absolutely saved my life. Just because someone gets upset about something that maybe they did to this program, they think it gives them the right to down the program. I'm out of a 4 year daily addiction and back on track.
PamelaS82 2 years ago
What "track" are you refering to?
nate4818 2 years ago
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It's sad to see that some people just can't accept that this actually helps people.
PamelaS82 2 years ago
It's sad to see that some people just accept Narconon's fallacious claims and statistics just because they're Scientologists. A lie is a lie, even when it come from those who claim that they're "just helping people".
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NarkAnon 2 years ago 3
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how many dollars do you pay for church. pope is afraid of this religion. scientology says truth.
djkadirtube 2 years ago
you're asked to DONATE $ in every other Religion, no $ is required to be a part of them...that's the difference
you must be excited i hear the poison punch at your $cientology rallies now come in grape, orange, and cherry flavors....drink up!!
M374L4L1F3 2 years ago 3
Note that Gabiwynne's extraordinary claim of over 75% success in Narconon is completely unsourced. It will of course remain unsourced, because Narconon has been making that same BS claim for years, and they have yet to back it up with any REAL third-party research.
"This claim is either misleading or miraculous. Without supporting data the evaluation team cannot but presume this document, however enticing, is a misleading claim." - CA Dept of Health
Just say NO to drugs AND Scientology!
NarkAnon 2 years ago 3
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Narconon is a very effective rehab programme. 75% of people are totally cured of their addiction and they go on to live perfectly normal lives after they finish the narconon programme.
Gabiwynne 2 years ago
Scientology leader David Miscavige doesn't want to see the general public find out about the scam of Narconon, or the fact that its claims of large success rates are bogus.
After all, Narconon brings in cash that ends up funneled back to the RTC (Religious Techonogy Center) that oversees Scientology's front groups. And who runs RTC, why that little napoleon dictator David Miscavige, of course!
Just say NO to drugs AND Scientology!
NarkAnon 2 years ago 3
Read the book Christaine F. if you want to know exactly what narcanon is. She goes into great detail about their drug councelling/auditing sessions. The book gives the impression that she eventually left Berlin to get off of heroin, but police reports and her file with social services shows that they allowed the move, even with criminal charges pending against her, because Christaine's family were afraid for her after threats were made by the CoS over her leaving the narcanon treatment center.
thegirl44 2 years ago
Too bad American television is too spineless to do stories like this in USA. It might save people from jumping out of the frying pan (dope) and into the fire (CULT of SCIENTOLOGY). I have done both and I would personally chose drugs. Drugs are much more fun than being in a mind control cult.
tyedogrulez 2 years ago 3
IT bothers me that these people have such a similar sounding name to NarcAnon (NA) which actually does help people. This is garbage and I am insulted that they would prey off the weak.
marim0y 2 years ago
5:05 Narida hunny, that was more evasive a break in an interview then Pauline Hanson...
I suppose when you can't verbalize any further the Scientologist will just black-ball you.
Speaker4Truth 2 years ago
people who want to get off drugs will period!
scientologists make those people think they need to spend lots of money do so, for eg if you buy a ferrari at 250k, if you can afford it, and drive down your local town you know people will look at you and this will probably make you feel good, yes? this treatment is just the same, except when you arrive to buy you have made your mind up, se friend its all in the mind.
patsf1 2 years ago
Yo! Obviously, you have never HAD a drug problem -it wouldn't be a problem if it was easy, -my brother is STILL on crack and he has been "quitting" for like 10 years!!!!!!!
I was lucky enuf to see what the damage was b4 I got it 2!
blupillredpill 2 years ago
Notice how, in several of the comments below, the supporters of Narconon are accusing those who criticize Narconon of being "drug traffickers."
Seems a bit odd, right?
Not when you realize that Scientology drills its members to "always attack, never defend". So you won't see any Narconon supporters providing proof for any of their inflated claims of success, they just spend all their energy attacking those how disagree with them.
NarkAnon 2 years ago
Isn't that what you are doing?
blupillredpill 2 years ago
I see that "blueredpill" is hitting the popular Narconon videos and arguing a pro-Narconon position.
How about giving us a legit SOURCE for Narconon's claims of over 70% success? Something other than made-up Scientology PR, that is.
NarkAnon 2 years ago 2
Nah just bored~ Really it is more interesting to play with FB.
1. Got laid off = NO WORK!!!!!!!!!
2. This looked like an interesting place to vent, WAS MAYBE , so sooooo NOT!!!!! =BORING.
REally who cares? NOT ME!!!
Thot it might be cool to stir up something and since you all are on one side, so easy to take the other, but really it is so stupid... snore!
Find something fun to do and I'm in! :)
see ya, good luk wid ur fite!! (NOT!)
:) oh, and, bcuz i m in CA, "Have a nice day ;)"
blupillredpill 2 years ago
Denise Arthurs, a director at the Frances Nutrition Center of Tufts University in Boston, has warned that individuals using niacin in high doses should realize that they are ingesting medication, not a simple vitamin at those levels.
"At the potencies of 1,500,2,000, and 3,000 milligrams, niacin ceases to be a vitamin and can be a damaging drug," she warned.
anonamace 3 years ago 2
Nope, wasn't damaging to me at all:) Felt great after the sauna program:)
Life is great now that I have my life and family back.
THANKS NARCONON!
brian8793 3 years ago
Cirrhosis occurs in response to chronic damage to your liver. With mild cirrhosis, your liver can make repairs and continue its role in the body. But with more advanced cirrhosis, more and more scar tissue forms in the liver, making it impossible to function.
anonamace 3 years ago
This is one treatment, however, for which knowledgeable medical supervision is a top priority. In the large doses needed -1,500 to 3,000 milligrams a day—niacin can cause liver problems. In fact, problems can start with doses as low as 500 milligrams, although some effects might not show up for years.
anonamace 3 years ago
Don't they use medical supervision?
blupillredpill 2 years ago
blupillredpill, account created, March 24, 2009, last sign in 1 week ago. Commented on 5 Narcanon videos with outrageous questions and claims. Check the background and expose these Scilon accounts, people, don't just give them an insignificant thumbs down.
thegirl44 2 years ago
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Ariangeles 3 years ago
I can swear NARCONON it's the best Rehab program in the world. Do you know a better one? Or just want destroy good people that is REALLY helping. How made this video??? a Drug-trafficker????
Ariangeles 3 years ago
How can you say it's a SHAM? It works! It worked for me! Yes, the ash tray! YES. It helps you concentrate! You phycho fucks what the fuck.
What next? Are you gonna attack the Salvation Army? Greenpeace? You people are messed up man....
brian8793 3 years ago
Paris - The Church of Scientology, will be tried in Paris on charges of organized fraud. If found guilty, the church could be declared illegal and disbanded. The trial is scheduled to begin on May 25.
hartman5555 3 years ago 2
I was at Narconon in 1986. That place was scary. A 15 year old girl got raped by a staff member, and half the staff knew and covered it up. I saw more dope inside there than on the streets. Then they tried to force me to do scientology stuff.
anonamace 3 years ago
Your a sick fuck, you know that? I went to Narconon, and they helped save my life.
They wouldn't even allow you to talk about Scientology. I wanted to read Dianetics, and they wouldn't let me! They took my book. Your a real weird motherfucker.
Leave Scientology alone and worry about your own FUCKED UP LIFE!
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brian8793 3 years ago
My life is great, now that I'm out of the CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY.
anonamace 3 years ago 2
Great for you:) Everyone has a right to choose what and how to believe.
I'm sorry about the cuss words, that was uncalled for. I can't believe how disgusting these anti-Scientology videos are. It's a disgrace to morality in America. The Bishop at my Church is who recommended me, and I THANK GOD EVERYDAY FOR THAT!
Really, are you a drug trafficker?
brian8793 3 years ago
Scientology's drug rehab scams are being exposed!
Watch this New Mexico news report about the Scientology-run drug rehab program called Second Chance to see Scientology "ethics" in action:
/watch?v=AkFGH6ysmz0
NarkAnon 3 years ago
It does my heart good to think of how enraged the Scientologists must be every time they see that this video is still the number one result for any search for "narconon" on YouTube.
NarkAnon 3 years ago
It does my heart good to think of how enraged the Scientologists must be every time they see that this video is still the number one result for any search for "narconon" on YouTube.
agreed!
cultssuck 3 years ago
Fuck
Scientology
Johnwasdemons 3 years ago
Note the generic pro-Narconon post below from "lelaconsuela". Note the there's no profile detail on the user, and the account was just set up a couple days ago.
Almost like the whole reason for that account's existence is to spam mindless praise on the Narconon videos. Hmmmmm...
NarkAnon 3 years ago 2
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Narconon saved my life! after 12 years of heavy drug use i longer use drugs. I'm so happy now. Well done Narconon keep up the good work!!!
lelaconsuela 3 years ago
"Narconon saved my life!"
You care nothing about the people it killed.
"I'm so happy now."
You you want to stay happy, do *NOT* have a doctor test your liver for damage caused by nar-CON-on.
NarcononVictim 3 years ago 3
cult cult cult
unnoblegnome09 3 years ago