How to Set Up PA Systems : How to Roll Audio Cables

[fotobyjp]

WRONG

do not over under. If you did that to my cables I would never hire you back.

[nickr753]

UGHHHH. Until I saw this video, I thought this series might be the only actually good content on ExpertVillage. Then this guy goes and fucks up the over/under roll and can't explain it properly. LOOK: you don't need to reverse the hand, just pick up the cable normally and twist it on in the opposite direction every other coil. It works because you're canceling out every twist you do make in the cable. The cable does still have memory, you're just not creating a slinky-like spiral anymore.

[smackythefrog23]

cant believe an audio tech of longer than 2 hours NOT knowing this.

[Zickcermacity]

I do this at work but less complicated than he does it. unfortunately it doesn't help because . . I'M THE ONLY TECH WHO WRAPS CABLES THIS WAY!!! Grrrr!

[00427712]

i really dont care

[disconnect4]

idk man.. whenever i have seen peopel do this my cables wind up kinked. i say do it the normal way and make sure you twist the cable so that the cable's braid stays nice and straight. when you put it in your box don't just throw it in there. make sure you get some nice velcro tie wraps and make sure the top last end of your cable remains on top as you pull it out. don't pull the cable from the bottom of the coil through the loop and you shouldn't have issues with knotting.

[maliputate]

If he worked for me and rolled a cable that way I'd strangle him with it (once I got out all the kinks out of it). Right technique but so poorly executed.

[now22207]

Cool. I learned that Over-Under technique in TV Production class. It's the only way to roll cables, in the industry or anywhere else. If you think XLR & BNC cables are tough to roll, try being a video camera grip at a fast paced professional football game. There's not time for tangling & cable rolling errors. (And those cables are thick and heavy.) Whew! ;-)

[unxsaved]

how would the hosting thing work

[crashdog5866]

Wow. He's not even doing a good job and how could you not understand how it works.

[sebz661]

well than how do you NOT roll up a cable!?

[jh4124]

lol real pro job on that wrap. Looks great!

LMAO

"Some kid told me that's how to do it, I don't know why"

Get a real "expert" next time please.

[Kaoskadosk]

I actually have an even easier trick. You take both ends and put them together, now take your new two ends (one with the two connectors and one end with just the cable) and match them up again. How many times you do this depends on the length of the cable. Once you've aquired a good length, take your both ends and match them up, but instead of stopping there, take them past eachother so you create an O with two upper ends, then take one end and pull it through the hole, pull a bit and TADA.

[lighttech258852]

Hmm, the first way you did it, is how i normaly do it - and i roll 100s of cables? Do you remeber to tie a knot or use a strap? before you put it in your housebox?

[rapmaster]

0:48 caption: It will turn into a nun! Fascinating.

[jarochelofilms]

Mr,

Can you name that kid? That's the kind of knowledge we have to respect and give credit to. Great job and videos! Thank you!

[mosesdog2]

This is called the "Over Under" technique. Why this works, and is how cables are wrapped to go to retail, is because your cable does not have memory. This works because when you do a reverse loop, it counter acts the tension on the "normal" loop, and will save your cables.

[Undertryyke]

i like how he fucked that first one up but kept going regardless :L

[cks1001]

he didnt mess up, the cable was just like that because its used to being coiled the opposite way

[sebzapata]

A better way to roll the cable is to put in a half twist in the cable.

If you were to roll the cable as he showed at the begining, and put in a half twist using your thumb and forefinger for every coil you make, it allows you to unravel it easier and prevents it tangling.

[djtorule]

Simple yet vital, thanks!

[JAMPROSOUND]

Typical expertvillage crap. Where do they find these guys? Radio Shack?

[Sunamer1]

@JAMPROSOUND what r u waiting from them? 1 bln $ instructions for free? aha, keep dreaming!

[zkranz0]

@JAMPROSOUND hahahaha fuck you....

[twtechnical]

Wow, It works great! I just spent 15 minutes with a variety of cables and it seems the longer the cable , the better the improvement.

[dude157]

He made that look a little more difficult than it actually is, I do one normal loop, then i just do a quick twist for the second. so every second loop the cable goes behind the previous loop. it sounds complicated, but it really is very simple. Its import to coil cables this way because it puts less strain on them and helps prevent them from been damaged, also if your renting your cables this is the correct way to recoil them to ensure you get your deposit back.

[lightman47]

hes doing that wrong. he should have the cabel twisting like it is. That puts stress on it and makes it tangle worse and possibly fail

[twtechnical]

you spelled cable wrong

[mikesscootershop]

i can not wait to try that

[razzor432]

wow i tried it and it made a mess classic way still the best

[enriquemiami]

wolveriene is right.

If you alternate patters while rolling the cable, it cancels the normal And Reverse twisting that happens.

[sifs4]

he fucked it up at 1:46but right idea, that's how i do it!

[mac899]

just wrap it as normal and do it like a guitar string, when you come to the end, go in and out

[sammysoulman]

Do you have a dvd out that you teach people about everything you need to know to be a good sound tech?

[MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

Everyone has different techniques for rolling cables. If you have packed and unpacked your cables dozens of times, they lay down flat and rarely go OPEN or SHORT (yeah there's a difference) then you are doing it 'a right way'. His technique seems like a little to much work and some of you have touched on it. You want to follow the "natural spin" inside the insulation. Yo, where's his velcro strap so when you pile 20 XLR cables into a storage box or gig bag they don't get intermingled?

[badqual]

thank you great video.

[sih1985]

tnks

[wolveriene]

if you connect your ends, it can put stress on the solders inside, and cause the cable to break easier, causing a 30+ minute repair needing to be done. especially if you are in my situation, and sometimes have people who have no business touching anything electronic, playing with the cables.

[00ze]

That doesn't make any sense - when the ends are mated, the solder connections inside the plug bodies won't see any more stress than during regular use, and it'll keep dirt and water out. I've never seen mated plugs on a properly coilded cable fail during storage, but i've encountered many cables made dangerous or useless, at least temporarily, because they were filled with dirt/dust/water.

[wolveriene]

Hi, I am 17 years old, and have been doing sound stuff for 6 years. I was shown this trick about 10 months ago, and I figured out why the cable knots up so bad. Inside the cable, the copper wiring has a natural twist to it. When you wrap the cable in the standard over-the-shoulder, it un-twists the natural wrap, thus breaking the cable. (this goes for power cables too) The first method, places the natural twists in the cable. however, if you watch the end of the cable, it is actually....

[wolveriene]

Hi, I am 17 years old, and have been doing sound stuff for 6 years. I was shown this trick about 10 months ago, and I figured out why the cable knots up so bad. Inside the cable, the copper wiring has a natural twist to it. When you wrap the cable in the standard over-the-shoulder, it un-twists the natural wrap, thus breaking the cable. (this goes for power cables too) The first method, places the natural twists in the cable. however, if you watch the end of the cable, it is actually....

[wolveriene]

twisting around. When you throw the cable out, it does not un-twist itself, and ends up in a twisted, knotted mess. (especially with long cables). With the reverse-normal method, it actually puts the twisting that happens at the end of the cable, in the middle of the cable. This counters the twist that you put in the cable before, therefore making it so that when you throw the cable (provided the end does not go through any of the loops during storage) it comes out close to perfect. -Steve

[funkafize]

i respect this man because he travels the world doing shows, yet has only just been shown by a kid how to roll. THEN he comes on here admits it and passes the knowledge on. That is how we gain knowledge and skills for our craft, by being humble enough to give and respectful enough to listen. good on you. btw its easier to start with the connector pointing away from your body and roll the cable anti clockwise.

[Sagesound]

It's called over-under d-bag...

[patchcords]

I do the same here. Also I use "milk crates" to store and transport cables. they fit nice in road cases and keep your cable groups organized.

[ultimateinfinite]

OMG that makes perfect sense. Really it is the simple things that make the difference.

[TpFw77]

wtf. is it supposed to end like that

[flatron74]

Its called a 'reverse twist' or 'over under'. and yes - sailer's do use it.

with the first method shown, each loop twists the cable a half turn in the same direction... so with a 10m cable your doing 10 or more 'half twists' (at least 5 full loops) and the result is a curly cable that knots easliy.

when you reverse twist, the half twist you did first is immediately undone by the reversed twist - leaving you with a 'straight' cable.

[flatron74]

But Note: if you accidentally undo the cable by pulling one end through the hole - you end up with alot of small knots all the way down your cable.

this method does make your cables last longer - buy good quality cable (canare) and good quality connectors (nuetrik), look after them and they'll last forever!

[glumdulclitch78]

true

[djekna]

i have studied this at our sound engineering school... we were explained that the wires inside don't get tangled/twisted which is why a knot is not made...

next more important reason is that the cable will last longer and maintain it's quality... hope i explained it well...